Amazing Spider-Man 2 Review And Discussion(Be Warned of Probable Spoilers)

[MikeandRaph87]

To start off the thread I will throw out a couple of articles for fellow Spider-Man fans to look at however be careful with the second one. Going into the film do you think too much is known about it and what lies ahead after the film? Its just the age of social networking but also a tight rope of either chasing people away who want a surprise or drawing in more viewers. After I see the film next week I will post a review on here and welcome any others to do the same. Until atleast a week to ten days after tis release I ask much of the movie talk be in spoiler form. Also, what do you think of the character chosen to be involved? Too many or ones you would have rather have seen included? Also feel free to discuss who you think would be included in a Sinister Six movie and how that and Eddie Brock can hold a film with minimal Spider-Man or how Spider-Man would work into it especially since the Sony studio only has the Spider-Man brand to combat Venom and the Sinister Six and Garfield is only contracted with the studio for three films of Spider-Man not spinoff or a fourth film,atleast at the moment.
This is the cast on Good Morning America talking about the world premiere in London and about the franchise and what to expect.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/amazing-spider-man-2-star-698742

If you want to be spoiled go ahead but if you want to wait until you see the film DO NOT CLICK ON THIS LINK!
http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/04/22/the-amazing-spider-man-2-director-reveals-huge-spoiler-1364181?lt_source=external,manual

Go ahead and start pinning threads of web,true believers love it or hate its sure to be a wild ride!

[ZariusTwo]

Saw this weeks ago. Not bad, but nothing spectacular either, better than the first Webb movie though despite all the flip-flopping and jarring tonal shifts in this one. At least it's a breezier Spidey flick

[MikeandRaph87]

Can you without spoiling explainng the sudden tone shifts? Weeks ago? I thought it had been ten days since the Britian and Austriallia premire.

Here is an interesting article for fellow Spidey fans.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/interview-amazing-spider-man-2-producers-avi-arad-and-matt-tolmach-talk-multiple-spider-men-spin-off-plans-and-potential-tv-shows-20140429

Be careful of spoilers but if its cool or you have seen it here a bit about Norman Osborn.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Amazing-Spider-Man-2-Contains-Massive-Norman-Osborn-Easter-Egg-42817.html

More news on a Sinister Six film. A solo Venom film is plausible but a Sinster Six film without Spider-Man?
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Sinister-Six-Lineup-Final-Could-Start-Shooting-January-42798.html

[JoshDA7X]

I thought it was a great film, finally a good Spider-man film!!!

[ZariusTwo]

Nope.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/9126-The-Amazing-Spider-Man-2-The-Movie-That-Broke-MovieBob

I liked the movie, but this guy gets it SPOT on. I bet you anything this won't hold up in five years let alone ten.

[NinjaPug]

Saw it earlier tonight. Easily the worst Spider-Man movie IMO and I hated Spider-Man 3.

This was Batman & Robin levels of bad.

Terrible writing and acting. Things were either extremely rushed or just terrible ideas to begin with. Even the action scenes were a big disappointment to me.

[Jester]

*watches MovieBob's review (thanks for that BTW, I was thinking it'd be Friday...) and hopes beyond hope that Liebsman's TMNT doesn't leave me in a similar state.

[JoshDA7X]

I must be from a different planet or something! What are you people expecting from movies? Seriously? I enjoyed this waaaaaaaaaay more than the first amazing and leaps and bounds more than the spiderman 3! Just out of interest, what films do you actually think are good?

[Turo602]

I just saw it, much better than the first movie. It had it's stupid moments, but overall it was fun and very engaging. I didn't much care for this take on Electro and his presence felt wasted. The Richard Parker subplot was also a letdown. Aside from those 2 big things, everything else was great.

[ZariusTwo]

On some level, it is has a more raw and comics-paced approach to storytelling, but that can be a pain in the arse running time wise as it means characters routinely flip-flop and can't settle on what to do until it's too late. That works in a monthly book or a trade paperback but can be irritable in a multi-hour run time. These soap opera cliches hurt more logical storytelling approches. I don't pay to see a movie where the hero stands entirely still on a variety of subjects.

For me it was an enjoyable, glorified licensing expo thinly disguised as a movie. It's not attrotcious, but it did leave me feeling the brand can be diluted to dangerous levels.

[Turo602]

Oh, yeah. Does anybody know what's up with the post credit scene? I've heard there was one from multiple sources and got nothing.

[The Stryker]

Oh, yeah. Does anybody know what's up with the post credit scene? I've heard there was one from multiple sources and got nothing.

In some markets they're just showing a clip from X-Men: Days of Future Past.

And it's not some hint at something. It's just a deal because Marc Webb owed Fox a movie. It's an advertisement/make good.

The thing that was supposed to be a mid-credits stinger thing was moved up into the movie itself sorta like Incredible Hulk.

[Turo602]

In some markets they're just showing a clip from X-Men: Days of Future Past.

And it's not some hint at something. It's just a deal because Marc Webb owed Fox a movie. It's an advertisement/make good.

The thing that was supposed to be a mid-credits stinger thing was moved up into the movie itself sorta like Incredible Hulk.

Yeah, I know that much about X-Men. It was a mid-credits scene. I guess that makes sense considering what the scene was.

I'm still a little confused... I searched for info on the post credits scene when I got home and got this 2 month old spoiler (http://www.mediastinger.com/osborns-head-after-the-credits-of-the-amazing-spider-man-2/) that was rumored to be the post credits scene along with two images. I find it hard to believe it was faked, maybe it was cut? Or is it just a joke, considering the connection the article makes to Disney? Sorry if this is old news, I haven't really been searching for spoilers or keeping up with the film other than the trailers.

[NinjaPug]

Oh, yeah. Does anybody know what's up with the post credit scene? I've heard there was one from multiple sources and got nothing.

There are images during the first part of the credits that alludes to the Sinister Six.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Okay, here are my thoughts on the film. Actually, before I go into that, I'll enlighten you a little on my history with Spider-Man. I'm an avid comic reader of Spider-Man, but I was never REALLY into any of the TV shows. Also, just to let you all know, I preferred Marc Webb's first movie over Sam Raimi's movies, because I preferred the cast, their take on the story, and it stayed truer to the comics while trying to keep things interesting and fresh.

A year ago, I stopped watching trailers for movies since they spoiled so much. I stopped looking up info about them online. Made sure to avoid TV spots and clips on the internet. EVERYTHING! Tried to stay away. And that's what I did with this film, and I'm super glad I did. It made the whole movie experience so much better (especially since I didn't 'feel like I've seen the whole movie').

So, anyway, here are my thoughts. I really enjoyed this movie. In the beginning, to me at least, it was kind of slow. But then there was one certain scene where it just clicked for me, and from then on, I enjoyed the movie a whole lot more. (Not saying I didn't like the beginning, I really did, it's just I became truly invested in it at this certain point.) Really liked the fights, Max's character, and I really thought the portrayal of Harry was spot on from the comics (anyone agree?). Overall, really good movie, and I think I enjoyed it better than the first one. Even if I knew certain parts or aspects were coming, the movies portrayal of the scenes were done so well where you still got surprised, excited, or emotionally invested. That was cool.

So, I really liked it. I think even loved it (have to see it again to know for sure). More than all the other Marvel movies (maybe not Avengers), but that may just be because I'm biased and really love Spider-Man. I suggest to ignore the critics and go see this movie, critics don't know what they're talking about half the time.

Also, what do you think of the character chosen to be involved? Too many or ones you would have rather have seen included?

I really liked the villains in this one (preferred them over The Lizard). I think they balanced it out well, too. Definitely not as bad as Spider-Man 3 (at least from the average person who rates movies on IMDb. ASM2's rating may go down [since movies usually do after a few weeks], but I'm pretty sure it's not going to drop to the rating of Spider-Man 3.)

Also feel free to discuss who you think would be included in a Sinister Six movie and how that and Eddie Brock can hold a film with minimal Spider-Man or how Spider-Man would work into it especially since the Sony studio only has the Spider-Man brand to combat Venom and the Sinister Six and Garfield is only contracted with the studio for three films of Spider-Man not spinoff or a fourth film,atleast at the moment.

I'm actually hoping that, eventually, (maybe not in the third film) we get the Ultimate Spider-Man treatment, if you know what I mean. I think that would be really cool. And I'll touch on my thoughts on a Sinister Six and Venom film below.

A solo Venom film is plausible but a Sinster Six film without Spider-Man?

Actually, even way before this film was out and these two movies were announced, I was super pumped for Sinister Six. I actually think it's going to be a harder time making a entertaining film focusing solely on Venom (I'm sure it'll end up being a military movie, and ... eh. I may like it, may not, but it all depends.) I think, if the writing is done right, a Sinister Six film with no Spider-Man may actually be sweet. Like, really cool. Marvel films and superhero films in general haven't really majorly focused on the villian's, and seeing a movie of a team would be sweet.

It all depends on how well it's written, though, and how the team comes together and the chemistry between them. It may be something super special. The only question is what exactly they're fighting, but that aspect is something that really intrigues me. My only question, since at the end of this movie they really introduced a lot of Sinister Six aspects, is if they're planning to make ASM3's villian's the Sinister Six, and then that leads into a solo movie? (I don't know what I think about that) Or if they'll introduce other characters from the Sinister Six in the next movie, and then have all six team up in the solo movie? If so, who do you guys think would be the villian's in ASM3? Volture? Mysterio?

The Richard Parker subplot was also a letdown.

Agreed ... sorta. The reveal wasn't as big as I was hoping, but it still satisfied me enough that I felt it was worth my time investing in the whole subplot.

Yeah, I know that much about X-Men. It was a mid-credits scene. I guess that makes sense considering what the scene was.

I'm still a little confused... I searched for info on the post credits scene when I got home and got this 2 month old spoiler (http://www.mediastinger.com/osborns-head-after-the-credits-of-the-amazing-spider-man-2/) that was rumored to be the post credits scene along with two images. I find it hard to believe it was faked, maybe it was cut? Or is it just a joke, considering the connection the article makes to Disney? Sorry if this is old news, I haven't really been searching for spoilers or keeping up with the film other than the trailers.

This looks like it could have been an extra part that was edited out. Because that EXACT picture frame never happened, and I don't recall seeing that certain something ever in the background. But I've heard they ended up cutting A LOT from this movie, so this was probably a piece. Really hoping we get a Directors Cut DVD/Blu-Ray version.

[Raph's Girl]

I liked the film. I liked that we got to see exactly what happened to the Parker's. Interesting that the whole thing with Green Goblin was that it was some weird genetic disorder. Also the spider's having Richard's DNA. Well no bloody fricken duh. I figured that out in the previous film!! Why else would the spider give Peter powers when it bit him? Duh! It was just a friendly hello from a um...niece/sibling(?)

The whole film tho is now leading up to the Sinister 6 movie (I saw Dr. Octopus' tenticles and Vulture's wings!!). Also, Blackcat working for Oscorp was nice...even if she didn't put on a costume.

As for the mid-credit scene. I was EXTREMELY confused by it. Here I was expecting something related to Spider-Man when suddenly X-Men! Probably the closest we'll get to a crossover. *lol*

[Shred Head]

I liked the movie I did but I got issues with it I wouldn't say its a great movie but no where near a bad one like Spider-Man 3 was. certain aspects felt rushed just thrown in there because we have got to get to the other movies like I was watching a bunch of trailers or something maybe some ****** tie-in comic. I know that doesn't make a lot of sense but its the only way I can describe it. After the movie ended I just expected more and it just never gave it. The whole film felt completely anti-climatic.

I think for the most part what kept me from not liking it was how well the movie was casted. Andrew Garfield to me is the best version of Spider-Man we have had on live action screen. Jamie Foxx while I'm not a big fan of this version of Electro I did feel did a good job. Sally Field is also a much better Aunt May. As always Emma Stone was amazing. Gwen and Peter moments were some of the best moments in the movie. I hope they can do as good a job with the casting of MJ as they did with Gwen in the next movies. Harry on the other hand his performance was just odd and the fact that he just kept contradicting himself. I don't know maybe it was not the actors fault and more on the writing and directing of the character but Harry just felt off like he shouldn't have been in the movie at all or at the very least the villain.

I liked the movie but its not going down in history as one of the best comic movies of all time.

[darthwahl56]

Saw it earlier tonight. Easily the worst Spider-Man movie IMO and I hated Spider-Man 3.

This was Batman & Robin levels of bad.

Terrible writing and acting. Things were either extremely rushed or just terrible ideas to begin with. Even the action scenes were a big disappointment to me.

Batman and Robin bad? I don't think so. That movie is really unwatchable and about as bad as at least the Mortal Kombat 2 movie.

I thought Electro was coolest when he was actually using his powers. Otherwise he was one of those obvious nerdy invisible to everyone kind of person. There just wasn't that much character to him.

Fair is fair electro didn't have that much of character in the original origin story in the first place. He was an electrician that got electrocuted one day while working on some wires and then one accident later he was electro. The dudes cake at the beginning of the movie had yellow lightning with green stripes, the colors of the original costume.

I liked the Harry in this one. Dude was showing a nice evil side without trying too hard, kind of wished for more scenes with him outside of the makeup. I also didn't really see him as evil quite up and until his "transformation".

I liked this movie and the first, but not better than the first two Raimi made, especially the second one. Those where done by a guy who knew the Spiderman universe and comic books in general. At the end of the day this is my opinion, so I could care less if people hate this summer movie I even like the billionth Stan Lee appearance in it.

J.K. Simmons played the best out of the Raimi Trilogy.

[chrisdude]

Meh...

First, I'll say that The Amazing Spider-Man is my favorite Spider-Man movie. But this movie is kinda dumb. Lots of cliches and writing on the walls - for people who don't think too good. There's even a moment when a character's internal dialogue is sung in lyrics of the film score. This movie beats you on the head with everything, instead of expecting you to figure anything out.

I LOVE their take on Electro, but I hate that Peter is so tied up with his own things, that there's hardly a relationship between him and that villain. Electro is just a guy who Peter crosses paths with. To me, the movie really drags, but so much of the important stuff seems rushed. I think there's a time management problem.

I can deal with the corny dialogue and incredible conveniences. But, it's a very Batman Forever-y transition from the last film to this one.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

There's even a moment when a character's internal dialogue is sung in lyrics of the film score.

Yeah ... That was really stupid and took me out of the moment.

[DarkLightDragon]

Just saw it. It was fine, but nothing extraordinary, at least for me.

I thought the ending was painfully stupid in how it lead into Spidey's big return with that little kid. Nevermind the fact that there were people just standing around to watch the chaos unfold like it was some spectacle and not something that's, yunno, life-threatening to them. But all it took was one kid getting into line of fire for everyone to go, 'Oh now this is a bad thing!'

"Hey, Bob. Do you think it'd be wiser to run away while some crazy guy in a mech-rhino suit is wrecking s*** up so we don't endanger ourselves?"

"Nah, nah, it's okay. Spidey just showed up, so everything's cool and that should make us all feel safe now!"

EDIT: Kind of meant to put all of this in spoiler tags, but didn't. Though is it worth spoiling if it's nothing really crucial aside from being the ending?

[Zulithe]

The Batman & Robin comparisons aren't off... it definitely felt that way in some of the goofier parts.

Motivations for the villains are some of the most baffling i've ever seen in a marvel movie.

I think I preferred Raimi's Spidey 3 to this.

[MikeandRaph87]

One thing that was left open in the film and I was not expecting was it seemed Ravencroft Institute was trying a secret takeover of Oscorp.Who exactly and why?

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Hey guys, here's a petition to get an Amazing Spider-Man 2 directors cut. I highly recommend signing, since there was a WHOLE bunch of stuff that ended up being cut. I've heard the film was over 3 hours originally (maybe even from this thread).

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/sony-pictures-and-director-marc-webb-consider-releasing-a-directors-cut-version-of-the-amazing-spider-man-2-to-the-general-public-on-blueray-and-dvd#share

[Commenter 42]

I must be from a different planet or something! What are you people expecting from movies? Seriously? I enjoyed this waaaaaaaaaay more than the first amazing and leaps and bounds more than the spiderman 3! Just out of interest, what films do you actually think are good?

I'm with you 100%

EASILY the best Spiderman movie yet.
Sure there were moments of WTF throughout, but getting the character right for a change? That won me over in TASM and even more so here.

It looked incredible, used 3D in the best possible way, and was surprisingly heartfelt.

I loved the fact that it wasn't all about the villains, and focused on the being Spider-man.

Where MOS got it wrong, this film won me over. He was heroic (if at times a little dull for a supposed genius) and there boat loads of heart.

Spectacular action, playful fight scenes, it was great.

Can't understand the hate.

[Commenter 42]

Hey guys, here's a petition to get an Amazing Spider-Man 2 directors cut. I highly recommend signing, since there was a WHOLE bunch of stuff that ended up being cut. I've heard the film was over 3 hours originally (maybe even from this thread).

http://www.change.org/en-AU/petitions/sony-pictures-and-director-marc-webb-consider-releasing-a-directors-cut-version-of-the-amazing-spider-man-2-to-the-general-public-on-blueray-and-dvd#share

Signed! thanks for the post!

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

I'm a little worried about this film at the box office. Supposedly, they wanted it to make over a billion dollars, yet, it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Some predict this will make the least amount of money of all Spider-Man films so far.

Will this put a stop in Sony's plans for a Amazing Spider-Man 3, Venom film, and Sinister Six film? Do you think they still see Spider-Man as a money maker?

[chrisdude]

That's two movies, and they still aren't making the money the original trilogy did. They must be questioning their decision to reboot. But, it's hard not to see the potential in the franchise...

I do wonder if this will effect their plans. They need to get rid of the Orci/Kurtzman writing duo. That was a mistake, IMO.

[electric_sheep]

That's two movies, and they still aren't making the money the original trilogy did. They must be questioning their decision to reboot. But, it's hard not to see the potential in the franchise...

I do wonder if this will effect their plans. They need to get rid of the Orci/Kurtzman writing duo. That was a mistake, IMO.

They don't know what they are doing, you can see studio clifnotes all over this movie, they are pasted all over the screen. Here watch it, watch what we have done, watch how smart we are, you are going waaaaaaatchhh itttt......

[NinjaPug]

Doesn't surprise me that this isn't performing at the BO like they expected. Word of mouth will only continue to hurt its performance plus the fact that it faces Neighbors, Godzilla and DOFP in consecutive weeks. I hope this scraps their plans to expand/continue with this particular movie universe.

Sony needs to dump Arad as producer, get a director that isn't a yes-man and don't even consider letting Kurtzman/Orci near this. That or sell the rights back to Marvel.

[Shark_Blade]

I'm with you 100%

EASILY the best Spiderman movie yet.
Sure there were moments of WTF throughout, but getting the character right for a change? That won me over in TASM and even more so here.

It looked incredible, used 3D in the best possible way, and was surprisingly heartfelt.

I loved the fact that it wasn't all about the villains, and focused on the being Spider-man.

Where MOS got it wrong, this film won me over. He was heroic (if at times a little dull for a supposed genius) and there boat loads of heart.

Spectacular action, playful fight scenes, it was great.

Can't understand the hate.Agree. I love that they followed the comic's story about Gwen's death. Gwen Stacy in Spiderman 3 was so pointless.

Even Tobey Maguire as an actor was godawful. I hate everything about him as he doesn't portray Peter Parker or Spiderman AT ALL - the way he talks mumbling like an idiot, the way he acts is so gross, just ugh.

Thank God we have Andrew Garfield now.

http://i.imgur.com/ABU7SO2.jpg

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Agree. I love that they followed the comic's story about Gwen's death. Gwen Stacy in Spiderman 3 was so pointless.

Even Tobey Maguire as an actor was godawful. I hate everything about him as he doesn't portray Peter Parker or Spiderman AT ALL - the way he talks mumbling like an idiot, the way he acts is so gross, just ugh.

Thank God we have Andrew Garfield now.

http://i.imgur.com/ABU7SO2.jpg
You should really put spoiler tags on

[electric_sheep]

Garfield and Gwen are seriously miscast, they act fine but the way they look...
They are f***ing super model's and they are suposed to be nerds?

[Shark_Blade]

You should really put spoiler tags onWhy would I? Gwen's death is already in the books.. like since 1973. It's common knowledge tbh.

http://i.imgur.com/irAPahs.jpg

Similar examples:
Les Miserables
http://i.imgur.com/Ni2CPdE.gif
http://i.imgur.com/zP2Tftt.gif

Hobbit
http://i.imgur.com/SNJyYfI.gif
http://i.imgur.com/vdc5wCf.gif


Garfield and Gwen are seriously miscast, they act fine but the way they look...
They are f***ing super model's and they are suposed to be nerds?Can't good looking people be nerds too? :-?

More power to them tbh.

[electric_sheep]

Why would I? Gwen's death is already in the books.. like since 1973. It's common knowledge tbh.

http://i.imgur.com/irAPahs.jpg

Similar examples:
Les Miserables
http://i.imgur.com/Ni2CPdE.gif
http://i.imgur.com/zP2Tftt.gif

Hobbit
http://i.imgur.com/SNJyYfI.gif
http://i.imgur.com/vdc5wCf.gif


Can't good looking people be nerds too? :-?

More power to them tbh.

They are not just pretty, they are super model pretty, they are clothed like super models, they have hair like super models.
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/the-amazing-spider-man-2-andrew-garfield-peter-parker-emma-stone-gwen-stacy.jpg
look at them, they are like out of some fashion magazine.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Gwen was never a "nerd". Smart, yes. Nerdy? HECK no! (There's a REASON she was one of the most popular girls on campus in the comics! She was HOT!!) Of course, the same could not be said for Peter.

Haven't seen this yet, but plan to- though from what I'm seeing here, it sounds like more of the same from the previous one. While I like Sally's take on May, and I enjoyed Uncle Ben and Gwen in the last one, Garfield's Peter just never struck me as especially true to the character. I've been an avid Spidey fan for YEARS, and he just felt "off" somehow. He wasn't as overtly nerdy as MaGuire's was, and though he managed to get Spidey's banter down (for which I have the writers to thank, not him), he was just too bland. No heart. The best thing about the last film was how they went into the background with Peter's parents, using an adaptation of the comic storyline. However, so far, I haven't felt like any of the villains are especially threatening. Lizard was big and vicious, but was mainly just a smaller and slightly smarter Hulk, IMHO. We'll see how the villains in this one turn out, but for now, I will only be seeing it because I love Spidey and am just happy to see him on the screen again.

[Shark_Blade]

Here's your typical cliche "nerd" look complete with glasses and hands me down jacket/clothes. Not so supermodel now huh?

http://i.imgur.com/ey9fCna.jpg

Apparently anyone with glasses is a passable nerd nowadays*facepalm*

Jessica Alba (Sue Storm in Fantastic Four 2) wow am I intelligent looking now? I'm a scientist..
http://i.imgur.com/ltzlaI3.jpg

Donnie TMNT 2014 (glasses, cause he's the nerd..) :trolleye: not necessary tbh. He's already has a bandana, now with glasses, and on top of that those goggles too?
http://i.imgur.com/mms7417.jpg

They are not just pretty, they are super model pretty, they are clothed like super models, they have hair like super models.
http://www.flickeringmyth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/the-amazing-spider-man-2-andrew-garfield-peter-parker-emma-stone-gwen-stacy.jpg
look at them, they are like out of some fashion magazine.
Tbh I can see some normal people wear those kind of clothes and haircuts. It's not too out there.

[MikeandRaph87]

Spider-man 2 is my favorite of the five films so I found it interesting.Thoughts?
https://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-ne ... 54251.html

Article about the gamer changer of the movie's shocker. Actually it would have been a shocker if it did not happen ironically. Am I right?
https://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-ne ... 02434.html

I have said it before,I think the cpncept of a notable hunter continuously trying to murder another human is ridiculous.Unfortubately it appears Webbs wants Kraven to be the main antagonist in Amazing Spider-Man 3. I remember Garfield voicing dislike of the character and hopefully the studio will says its enough having him in the Sinister Six film He does mention the two yet to be adapted villians I want to see,Mysterio and Scorpion.

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/Marc-W ... 42876.html

[Jester]

I think Toby is the better Peter and Andrew is the better Spidey....if that makes any sense.

[Shark_Blade]

Spider-man 2 is my favorite of the five films so I found it interesting.Thoughts?
https://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-ne ... 54251.html

Article about the gamer changer of the movie's shocker. Actually it would have been a shocker if it did not happen ironically. Am I right?
https://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-ne ... 02434.html

I have said it before,I think the cpncept of a notable hunter continuously trying to murder another human is ridiculous.Unfortubately it appears Webbs wants Kraven to be the main antagonist in Amazing Spider-Man 3. I remember Garfield voicing dislike of the character and hopefully the studio will says its enough having him in the Sinister Six film He does mention the two yet to be adapted villians I want to see,Mysterio and Scorpion.

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/Marc-W ... 42876.htmlMine too! Though I probably enjoy the first one more cause of more lovey dovey stuff with Gwen. :trazz::tlove:

Kraven as the next villain sounds interesting. His story is among the top spiderman stories of all time (with the top #1 story being Gwen's death, obviously). Maybe they can add in Mary Jane in it too at that.

The concept of a murderer wanting to kill another human is not that bizarre, heck most superhero films are about that..

[MikeandRaph87]

Mine too! Though I probably enjoy the first one more cause of more lovey dovey stuff with Gwen. :trazz::tlove:

Kraven as the next villain sounds interesting. His story is among the top spiderman stories of all time (with the top #1 story being Gwen's death, obviously). Maybe they can add in Mary Jane in it too at that.

The concept of a murderer wanting to kill another human is not that bizarre, heck most superhero films are about that..

It reminds me of the big game hunter coming to the island and wanting to murder Gilligan. Successfully capturing all notable specieis except fellow human. Scary sure. Why pick out a human to murder and get jail time for it?

Mary Jane and Jameson are said to be apart of the next film.

I thought I missed something when I did not see the segment where Harry revelas to Peter that Oscorp was watching him. It turns out it missed the cut of the film. I do hope for a Director's cut for that pivitol scene and for the Mary Jane three scenes.
http://io9.com/all-the-scenes-from-the-trailers-that-werent-in-amazing-1572578872

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Why would I? Gwen's death is already in the books.. like since 1973. It's common knowledge tbh.

Well, first of all, just because it happens in the comics doesn't mean it will happen in the film. And A LOT of people, who aren't average Spider-Man enthusiasts or comic book readers, don't know that Gwen dies. I know a lot of my friends or family didn't know it was going to happen. And, plus, MikeandRaph said in his first post that we're trying to keep this thread spoiler free for now.

I have said it before,I think the cpncept of a notable hunter continuously trying to murder another human is ridiculous.Unfortubately it appears Webbs wants Kraven to be the main antagonist in Amazing Spider-Man 3. I remember Garfield voicing dislike of the character and hopefully the studio will says its enough having him in the Sinister Six film He does mention the two yet to be adapted villians I want to see,Mysterio and Scorpion.

http://www.cinemablend.com/m/new/Marc-W ... 42876.html

I think having Kraven as the main villain is a little odd too. Not the best character to focus on, in my opinion. I would personally love to see Mysterio.

Also, regarding Sony and the future of the Spider-Man franchise, here's an article I found, thanks to MikeandRaph and CinemaBlend. Haven't read through it all yet, but it seems interesting: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/5-Bold-Options-Spidey-Wake-Amazing-Spider-Man-2-42881.html

[MikeandRaph87]

An inimate film will interestingly enough be the villain centric ones in Sinister Six and Venom especially if their nemesis Spider-Man himself keeps his distance as Garfield heavily implies.

I commend the film for its originality, the Goblin storyline(even though I am sick of Goblins), the Richard Parker dna storyline,can't say I am a fan of the costume but Rhino's plot line and not crazy over this Electro but credit to the Jim Carrey Riddler-like motivation. With all this originality then why do as I thought from the moment it was revealed that Emma Stone was set to play Gwen Stacey opposed to Mary Jane Watson,kill her off? Yes,it was Harry at a clocktower opposed to Norman at the bridge,but still it happened. She could have been stashed in London if the writers wanted her used again when Peter realizes his destiny is in New York City and hers in London.

Villian-wise if Webb is serious about bringing Jameson in from behind the scenes then Scorpion would be the perfect choice. Also,special effects and movies go hand and hand and what does Mysterio specialize in? Special effects!

[Shark_Blade]

Well, first of all, just because it happens in the comics doesn't mean it will happen in the film. And A LOT of people, who aren't average Spider-Man enthusiasts or comic book readers, don't know that Gwen dies. I know a lot of my friends or family didn't know it was going to happen. And, plus, MikeandRaph said in his first post that we're trying to keep this thread spoiler free for now.
Too bad, that's the internet. Stay off it if you want to be spoiler free.

I ain't putting spoiler tag for something ancient.

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Anyway, who would they cast as Mary Jane? I thought maybe Emma Stone could play a red head as well to put a serious damage on Peter's mental state but heh. :P

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

With all this originality then why do as I thought from the moment it was revealed that Emma Stone was set to play Gwen Stacey opposed to Mary Jane Watson,kill her off? Yes,it was Harry at a clocktower opposed to Norman at the bridge,but still it happened. She could have been stashed in London if the writers wanted her used again when Peter realizes his destiny is in New York City and hers in London.

Villian-wise if Webb is serious about bringing Jameson in from behind the scenes then Scorpion would be the perfect choice. Also,special effects and movies go hand and hand and what does Mysterio specialize in? Special effects!

I think it was to help progress the story of Peter Parker that Webb wanted to tell. This is another break through in Peter's life, and he has something new and difficult he has to handle (like we saw at the end of the movie). He has to make new decisions, and reevaluate everything he's been doing. That's personally why I think they did what they did.

Would love to see Jameson soon. I didn't watch any trailers for this movie to avoid spoilers (hence, the reason I'm so anti-spoilers), and I was surprised he wasn't in the film (and kind of disappointed). But, if in fact we do get him in three, that's awesome.

Too bad, that's the internet. Stay off it if you want to be spoiler free.

I ain't putting spoiler tag for something ancient.

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Anyway, who would they cast as Mary Jane? I thought maybe Emma Stone could play a red head as well to put a serious damage on Peter's mental state but heh. :P

I'm just trying to stay considerate since the thread was meant to be spoiler free. And even if her death is 'ancient' history, it's only comic history. I don't want to argue all day about this, but even if someone knew that Gwen dies in the comics, they may have not been expecting it for this movie. Because, as I said, a lot of things happen in the comics that may not ever happen in the film. Like, I'm not expecting us to see some 'Brand New Day' storyline, even though it happened in the comics.

[Shark_Blade]

Okay, I'll try and be considerate. Anything about Gwen's death is spoiler tagged from now.

I hope they get the same Jameson we had before. That guy is truly is JJJ! :tlol:
I don't remember much but his rambling was a riot. "&^&*^%... you can pick off the daisies off my grave!"

[Cure]

I thought this movie was a club banger. That's my review.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Okay, I'll try and be considerate. Anything about Gwen's death is spoiler tagged from now.

I hope they get the same Jameson we had before. That guy is truly is JJJ! :tlol:
I don't remember much but his rambling was a riot. "&^&*^%... you can pick off the daisies off my grave!"

Thank you. I know that I can get a little paranoid about things like spoilers (even though I've known, just like you, that this comic one has been around for a long time), but I get what you're saying. Didn't mean to cause any strife, and you're an awesome guy around the forums, so I just wanted to say that.

Also, it would be sweet to have J.K. Simmons return. He was great, and I'm not sure if anyone could out-perform his performance. Simmons even said he would be up for it, so you never know. I would really like that, but it's unlikely. :ohwell:

[Shark_Blade]

I hope he does join the reboot series.

I mean Dame Judy Dench, who acted as M for the James Bond series, even went on board for the series reboot with Daniel Craig (previously Bond was Pierce Brosnan). So it's likely and I hope they will consider Simmons as Jameson.

[Commenter 42]

I actually liked Jameson being just an email response in TASM2.
It worked really well.

Garfield is The best actor to Play Spidey, ever.
I think he manages to nail both Peter and Spider-man in such a fun loving, irreverent, and angsty way, it's great.

Reminds me of Chris Reeve, in that he really get's the character.

Maguire was a wash, impossibly dull on screen. The Maguire suit was awful, never could get into the Rami-verse.

Dehan is, again, perfect as Osborn.

Although Jamie Fox is a great actor, he's the only mis-cast for me. His performance was far too "big" and goofy.

For all it;s flaws, i was thrilled to get to see Spider-man the way he should be on the big screen. It's nice to have a CBM that i actually enjoyed for a change.

[ProactiveMan]

The Batman & Robin comparisons aren't off... it definitely felt that way in some of the goofier parts.

It felt more like Batman Forever to me. It never went completely off the rails, but it was pretty campy at times.

[ZariusTwo]

Kraven works if you adapt the Kraven's Last Hunt storyline from the comics, even if that one is pretty dark, it would allow

Peter to have a near-death experiance and thus will probably be an excuse to have Emma Stone appear as an apparition, and in the comics story Peter crawls back to the land of the living out of his love for Mary Jane, so it would fit with Webb's ideas about Peter learning to love again in the third movie

I'm not expecting us to see some 'Brand New Day' storyline, even though it happened in the comics.

True, hell this movie didnt go down a distinctly creepy route in the comics where Gwen had Norman Osborn's babies.

Peter and MJ are still married in the newspaper comics and those implied BND and anything afterwards was just a dream, so not much to worry about there. Alternativly, they could go with Marvel's "natural" timeline and have Peter get married and he and MJ have their daughter who grows up to become Spider-Girl and spin her off into a movie of her own (probably me wishing really hard though)

[electric_sheep]

Kraven works if you adapt the Kraven's Last Hunt storyline from the comics, even if that one is pretty dark, it would allow

Peter to have a near-death experiance and thus will probably be an excuse to have Emma Stone appear as an apparition, and in the comics story Peter crawls back to the land of the living out of his love for Mary Jane, so it would fit with Webb's ideas about Peter learning to love again in the third movie



Peter and MJ are still married in the newspaper comics and those implied BND and anything afterwards was just a dream, so not much to worry about there. Alternativly, they could go with Marvel's "natural" timeline and have Peter get married and he and MJ have their daughter who grows up to become Spider-Girl and spin her off into a movie of her own (probably me wishing really hard though)

You can also do all that with the symbiote, there's always battle is his mind betwen him and Symbiote, you can easily cram Ema Stone in there. I Hate that all the villains come out of Oscorp, there's just something wrong with it...

[ZariusTwo]

You can also do all that with the symbiote

F*ck the symbiote. Peter getting outmatched and shot by a fricking lunatic who decides he must emulate his prey in order to truly surpass him in deed and power is a much more psychological and rewarding story to tell audiences than rehashing the same old tired "We Want Spidey's brains" shitic from one of, if not THE most overrated characters on Spidey's rosters. Symbiotes are for nine year olds who are just fresh into bloodlust. Kraven's Last Hunt is what you hand them when their balls drop so they learn how real world psychos operate.

[DonnyMac]

Saw it the other night. I really liked it, it wasn't a perfect movie by any means, and I had my issues with it, but overall, I was entertained watching the movie. I could have watched a whole movie of Peter and Gwen, with no superpowers or villains or anything like that. I thing Andrew and Emma's chemistry is amazing (no pun intended).

[The Stryker]

Because there's nothing more real world psycho than magic herbs and elixirs that give you super strength.

[electric_sheep]

Best parts of the movie
Harry, he was played so good by Dehan and you get why he is who he is and Spiderman is a dick to him, he's like, you can't have my blood, **** you!

Electro, though he was more of a presance than a charachter he was just cool, he looked cool, he had an awesome theme, he was so badass when he threatend those doctors.

Doctor Kafka/Paul Giomaty, i love how over the top these guys are, it's so refreshing, they are just so wonderfully cheesy that you must love them.

Worst parts of the movie.
Te romance, it's so overly cutsey and something that you just blah.

Spiderman doesen't care for human life, At the begining when Giomaty is rampaging through the city he turns the wheal and truck hit's like 15 cars, somebody surley died there.

Sally Field is annoying, i'll admit that scene in Peter's bedroom was briliant, when she sayes "You are my boy" i choked up (I am lying i am man god damn it! though it was very sad) rest of the movie i just didn't like her.

Every single citizen is stupid, Hey idiots when you see a giant robot rhino firing bullets and rockets at all sides, you run, you don't stay and chear.

That stupid, stupid kid, i don't know what to say here, i hope he get's his ass kicked at school...

Gwen's speach, did anyone else notice a giant target that apeared on her head when she finished it? Subtlety much? and besides, it was just poorly written...

Not enough of Peter and Harry bondin, they could have cut the first 10 minutes and 2 scenes with Gwen and given them to Harry instead...

[chrisdude]

Best parts of the movie
Harry, he was played so good by Dehan and you get why he is who he is and Spiderman is a dick to him, he's like, you can't have my blood, **** you!

Electro, though he was more of a presance than a charachter he was just cool, he looked cool, he had an awesome theme, he was so badass when he threatend those doctors.

Doctor Kafka/Paul Giomaty, i love how over the top these guys are, it's so refreshing, they are just so wonderfully cheesy that you must love them.

Worst parts of the movie.
Te romance, it's so overly cutsey and something that you just blah.

Spiderman doesen't care for human life, At the begining when Giomaty is rampaging through the city he turns the wheal and truck hit's like 15 cars, somebody surley died there.

Sally Field is annoying, i'll admit that scene in Peter's bedroom was briliant, when she sayes "You are my boy" i choked up (I am lying i am man god damn it! though it was very sad) rest of the movie i just didn't like her.

Every single citizen is stupid, Hey idiots when you see a giant robot rhino firing bullets and rockets at all sides, you run, you don't stay and chear.

That stupid, stupid kid, i don't know what to say here, i hope he get's his ass kicked at school...

Gwen's speach, did anyone else notice a giant target that apeared on her head when she finished it? Subtlety much? and besides, it was just poorly written...

Not enough of Peter and Harry bondin, they could have cut the first 10 minutes and 2 scenes with Gwen and given them to Harry instead...That thing with the truck was so stupid...
Spider-Man seriously jumps off the truck saying something like, "I gotta go, this is gonna be bad." He leaps right past the cars that the truck is just about to plow through, to get to Max.

[MikeandRaph87]

The tentative Sinister Six set up has Harry Osborn leading the team(puppeted by Norman like Kingpin did in the Spider-Man:The Animated Series?). Also,its heavily believed that Otto "Dr. Octopus" Octavius will be apart of the team. It seems to imply that Harry Osborn gives orders to the others and leads Dr. Octopus? Someone telling Otto what to do?It does not makes sense in Dr. Octopus' character even if this continuity tried to make it fit. What is your takes on this?

[NinjaPug]

So why do we need a Sinister Six movie without Spidey in it? Still makes no sense to me.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I really didn't like this movie. The actors were all great, but the music was awful, the story was awful... it was as if they combined Spider-Man 3's ambitions with the story of The Amazing Spider-Man. My main issues:

- Why the hell did Electro and Rhino have to be shoehorned into the story? They didn't add anything at all.

- More nonsense about Peter's parents. I can't believe they spent ten minutes showing us exactly how they died. I don't care. No one does. Just say they died in a plane crash and leave it at that. And why all the stuff about Richard's secret train track lair? It went absolutely nowhere.

- If you're going to introduce the Black Cat, call her Felicia Hardy instead of just Felicia.

- So, I kind of thought Peter would confront his Ben's killer in this one... I guess that'll never get around to happening in any of the movies at this point.

- Damn. I cannot believe the writers were so amazingly lazy that they stole Electro's origin story from The Spectacular Spider-Man. In fact, Harry being the Goblin rather than Norman seems directly lifted out of the first season of TSSM too. Hmmmmm......

- Geez, Spidey, Max looked up to you and all you did was kill him without remorse in the end. And it was his birthday too.

- That stuff with the planes about to crash into each other was distracting and stupid.

- Why is there a clock tower right next to a power plant? Seriously, does anyone have any explanation to this?

- In The Amazing Spider-Man, Uncle Ben leaves a message on Peter's phone that he doesn't listen to. At the end of the movie, Peter lets someone he loves die and renounces his identity as Spider-Man. But he listens to that phone message during a montage and becomes Spidey again.

In The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Gwen says a speech that Peter doesn't listen to. At the end of the movie, Peter lets someone he loves die and renounces his identity as... waitaminute, doesn't this sound familiar?

- That stupid kid at the end... Rhino shoulda trampled him.

- Where's my post-credits scene? The one with Norman's head being cryogenically frozen in a Mr. Freeze-esque fashion (look it up - it's true)? Don't tell me it was replaced with the Days of Future Past BS. #%*# you, Fox Studios.

- Remember when Harry was clueing Peter in to how he and his aunt were being followed by OsCorp? No? Well it was in the trailer (all of them, I think) and I guess they just removed that rather interesting and important subplot from the movie.

- Know what else they cut? Harry asks his dad "What about Peter?" to which Norman replies, "Not everyone has a happy ending." This implies that Harry originally KNEW THE WHOLE TIME that Peter was Spider-Man, if the placement of the scene never changed during editing. Which would have been great for the dynamic between them - it would be especially tense for the audience the first time Harry asks Peter for Spider-Man's blood.

- This whole movie was just a two-hour advertisement for the movie no one wants - The Sinister Six. Yuck!

Like I said, the actors were all great - even the one for the Rhino and his exaggerated accent. They make the crappy dialogue work, but that can't save the movie. The relentless CGI makes it all seem like a video game. There's no real plot, the music is lackluster (SO MUCH DUBSTEP), and holy **** was Electro rapping during his first appearance? I seriously think he was.

And they lifted so much out of The Spectacular Spider-Man. Electro's origin story, the Green Goblin's identity (though it was proven to be Norman in the show) and the idea that all evil comes directly from OsCorp.

That aspect works in the show because a lot of it isn't accidental, but when silly Curt Connors accidentally turns into Lizard using OsCorp technology, and bumbling Max Dillon accidentally turns into Electro due to OsCorp technology, and Gwen happens to work at OsCorp, and Richard happens to have been on the run from OsCorp... it gets so silly.

After the rather boring ASM movie, I was hoping this one would be an improvement... but it makes me despise this franchise even more. At least Spider-Man 3 was entertaining. This was mind-bogglingly boring. No wonder reviews are so mediocre, and it's set to be the lowest-grossing Spidey film of all time. I'm hoping they'll get their act together for the next one... but I doubt it.

[CyberCubed]

I liked the new movie. Peter Garfield and Emma Stacey had very good and emotional scenes together.

I thought they did a good job with Electro at the beginning of the film, especially when he didn't seem to want to hurt the police officers and was listening to Spidey when he told him to calm down. I'm not sure why they went from him being misunderstood to a full-blown supervillain in the second act of the movie, but eh.

Green Goblin scenes were well done and I got close to teary eyed during some of the emotional moments. Emma Watson's death scene was entirely well done and in my theater I heard a few gasps from the audience who didn't know she would die.

The action scenes were top notch and I fully enjoyed the Spidey/Electro fights. I am not a huge Spiderman fan in that I have never read the comics but I think anyone who is not an obsessive fanboy can enjoy the movie for what it is.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I thought this movie was good. It's not the best Spider-man film (that'll have to go to the movie from 10 years ago), but I thought that it was more of a Spider-Man movie than Amazing Spider-man 1.

The dynamic and relation between Gwen and Peter I thought was perfect, and it's not surprising since they are going out with each other in real life.

The Spidey Suit is perfect. It looks better than any other live action Spider-man suit so far. Andrew Garfield is brilliant as Spider-man, but I think his Peter could be improved.

I don't like how Green Goblin was portrayed at all. I mean seriously? Shoe horn him into the last 10 minutes? I also think that Rhino should have been the rhino at the beginning of the movie, instead of the end

I also think that all these Spider-man movies are portraying the villian fights wrong. In the Spidey comics, especially the 60s comics, when Spidey fights a villian, it's usually a small but lengthly fight that only a small part of the city knows about, and the fight usually has a very small amount of damage to buildings.

All the Spider-man movies so far have been widscale or the whole city knows about.

Overall, I would give this movie 7.5/10

[CyberCubed]

I still don't get how they choose the villains they go with for the movies. I mean, Electro? Out of all the villains to get a movie debut they choose him? Not to mention he looks nothing like his comic/cartoon design where he's a white guy with a green and yellow suit.

[The Stryker]

I still don't get how they choose the villains they go with for the movies. I mean, Electro? Out of all the villains to get a movie debut they choose him? Not to mention he looks nothing like his comic/cartoon design where he's a white guy with a green and yellow suit.

He looks like he does in the Ultimate comics. The Green and Yellow costume is long gone in most books.

But I guess you'll get hung up on the whole black guy thing.

[shuriken]

I kinda wish Electro hadn't gone full blown villain right away but meh.
To me it felt a bit rushed the way he went from confused forever alone guy to I hate Spider-man because he stole my audience and everyone loves him. Aside from that He was a very credible villain that had a great design and was just menacing. He was pretty much the driving force of the story. How the hell did he get that outfit all out of nowhere?
I thought Green Goblin was really well done. I felt bad for Harry because he was just desperate for a cure and just kinda went mad with it. The Parkers' demise was interesting (to me) an d I like how it gave you a reason as to why the venom would only work on Peter and not the Osbornes (not even Ozzie, and he snorts ants). Rhino should not have been the last scene and X-men shouldn't have even been there.
Stone and Garfield work so well as Parker and Stacy. Overall I enjoyed it, little things bothered me but overall it was a good time.

[CyberCubed]

I find it funny there were so many gasps in my theater about Gwen Stacey dying. Many of the people at my theater were Moms with children or young teenage girls around 14-15 years old.

Since obviously none of them were comic book fans they probably all didn't know Gwen Stacey was going to die. I bet some of those little girls idolized Gwen Stacey and/or Emma Stone and didn't expect her to die.

As I was walking out of the theater I saw a 14 year old girl say the movie sucked because Gwen Stacey died. lol.

[bone]

It kind of just felt like an obligatory sequel. It kind of sucks, because it's not like it's impossible to handle sequels well in the super hero genre. (e.g. Winter Soldier, the first Spiderman II was great IMO.) I didn't hate it, but there were quite a few small things I nitpicked that bothered me. The music, the cheesy and out of place jokes, bits of the dialogue that made me cringe, like, "I BREAK UP WITH YOU". I think all of the actors in the movie are great OUTSIDE of this movie. I also didn't like how they handled Peter's relationship with Gwen and Harry in this.

Also, Rhino at the end...

):

[TheSkeletonMan939]

As I was walking out of the theater I saw a 14 year old girl say the movie sucked because Gwen Stacey died. lol.

Really? I thought it was the highlight of the movie - it made me feel like the two hours I spent watching weren't totally wasted.

They should kill off one of the annoying girlfriends, like Jane Foster or Pepper Potts.

[CyberCubed]

Young teenagers and Moms with kids obviously never knew Gwen Stacey would die as they have no knowledge about the comics.

I can see why young girls would hate a movie if the female lead they like died. Remember Emma Stone is a very popular actress, they probably care for the actress more than Gwen Stacey.

[ZariusTwo]

They should kill off one of the annoying girlfriends, like Jane Foster or Pepper Potts.

Funny thing is, the original comics version of Gwen was an annoying girlfriend

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Funny thing is, the original comics version of Gwen was an annoying girlfriend

Oh, I don't think so. It was always very frustrating to see her get mad at Peter for missing special events without knowing it was because of his duties as Spider-Man, but she was a very smart and likable character overall.

[ZariusTwo]

Oh, I don't think so. It was always very frustrating to see her get mad at Peter for missing special events without knowing it was because of his duties as Spider-Man, but she was a very smart and likable character overall.

She was a prickly daddy's girl, an ice queen when she started out, she loathed Spider-Man because she pinned George's death on him, and she became increasingly blander over time in comparison to the true star of the female supporting cast (MJ) . There's a reason they killed her off in the first place and there's also a reason that her death and one night stand with Norman Osborn are the only two things of note she's remembered for. Webb's movies basicly had to signifciantly tweek her in order to make her even remotely likeable and interesting

[TheSkeletonMan939]

her ... one night stand with Norman Osborn

That doesn't count; that was decided twenty years later when they were running out of ideas.

You have a point; but the reason MJ was made so popular in the comics after Gwen died was so that they could give Peter a girlfriend who would know that Spidey was Peter (because come on, can Peter really marry someone who doesn't know his identity?).

[MikeandRaph87]

I am hoping for a Rifftrax of this, but it seems we do have a Cinema Sins take already! Its pretty entertaining. https://tv.yahoo.com/news/cinema-sins-honest-trailers-combine-215400068.html

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I thought AS2 was ok, I liked the fact that Gwen was killed off, (in both comics and movie) it adds depth to spidy's character. He can't keep fighting all these villians and walk away with everything being rosey lee.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

That doesn't count; that was decided twenty years later when they were running out of ideas.

You have a point; but the reason MJ was made so popular in the comics after Gwen died was so that they could give Peter a girlfriend who would know that Spidey was Peter (because come on, can Peter really marry someone who doesn't know his identity?).

Okay, can someone explain to me how and why would Gwen, a teenage girl, would sleep with an older man?

[Coola Yagami]

Okay, can someone explain to me how and why would Gwen, a teenage girl, would sleep with an older man?

Same reason any other teenage girls sleep with older men? Not exactly unheard of ya know. How much older was Norman back in the 60s or whatever anyway?

[RaphaelinSTL]

I think anyone who is not an obsessive fanboy can enjoy the movie for what it is.

Nope not true. I am not a Spider-Man fanboy by any means but I agree with all of TheSkeletonMan939's point as to why this movie was really, really bad.

[ZariusTwo]

the reason MJ was made so popular in the comics after Gwen died was so that they could give Peter a girlfriend who would know that Spidey was Peter (because come on, can Peter really marry someone who doesn't know his identity?).

MJ was popular because the fans loved her, and she dated Peter for a while without his identity ever being brought up, then they wrote her out of the books for a few years, shortly after she turned down Peter's first proposal of marraige. Keep in mind that, at the time, MJ knowing who Peter was had not been retroactively added yet by the writers. That revelation ultimately made her actions near the end of her original run make a bit more sense, but we did'nt learn that for years.

In the 80s, Peter was involved with Black Cat at the time MJ confessed she always knew he was Spider-Man, and Felicia by that point already knew his identity as well. Marvel simply made her a confidant in order to enhance the drama. Marrying them was entirely Stan Lee's idea. Marvel's original plans for the wedding issue was to have MJ leave Peter at the alter because of how uncertain she was about Peter's activities as Spider-Man. Plans changed at the last minute because Stan was going to marry them off in the newspaper strip regardless and made a big publicity stunt out of it. While the pair had been dating seriously in the daily strips for years. Peter and MJ were'nt even dating in the regular comics, indeed in the span of about a few issues, Peter goes from dating Felicia, to breaking up with her, to proposing to MJ, to having a delayed answer, to having an answer, and then a wife.

In the daily strips, MJ never knew Peter was Spider-Man until Peter confessed shortly before they married, where the regular comics established she had known since the begining.

I agree, "Sins Past" should'nt count...you're easily forgiven for not counting anything past the 90s as canon, I'm in the same boat, for me, the real timeline is either the newspaper strip (where Peter and MJ are still married) or the Spider-Girl timeline (where they're still married and have kids)

Okay, can someone explain to me how and why would Gwen, a teenage girl, would sleep with an older man?

Peter's science teacher Miles Warren (The Jackal) had a crush on Gwen and one of his clones even married the original clone of Gwen (yes, I hate comics sometimes)

[Redeemer]

I am going to get blasted for this.....But I thought this was the best Spidey movie yet!
I was never a fan of Tobi being Spidey, but I love Andrew Garfield as spider. Also Sam Rami's interpretations of Spidey's villains were not good, the villains always turned out to be sympathetic. I thought Doc Oc was done the best. But Venom was horribly done in that final movie.

The big gripe for me with this movie was Rhino, I thought he was suppose to be super smart, but he was a dumb Russian mobster......
I really enjoyed the movie and this movie had a superior ending compared to ASM1

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I am going to get blasted for this.....But I thought this was the best Spidey movie yet!
I was never a fan of Tobi being Spidey, but I love Andrew Garfield as spider. Also Sam Rami's interpretations of Spidey's villains were not good, the villains always turned out to be sympathetic. I thought Doc Oc was done the best. But Venom was horribly done in that final movie.

The big gripe for me with this movie was Rhino, I thought he was suppose to be super smart, but he was a dumb Russian mobster......
I really enjoyed the movie and this movie had a superior ending compared to ASM1

Good on you, it's fair enough, I liked it aswell. I still think Toby is better, but there you go.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The big gripe for me with this movie was Rhino, I thought he was suppose to be super smart, but he was a dumb Russian mobster......


Where'd you get that idea?

There was a storyline a few years ago where he got sick of being stupid - he naturally had below-average intelligence - so he took pills or something and became super smart. Then he got depressed and tired of life, so he decided to reverse the process.

[shuriken]

^^Rhino was always an idiot. All Brawn no brain, minus that series of comics, er comic er whatever.
I thought Giammati was so ridiculous but awesome. Still had no idea why Rhino wasn't in the beginning of the movie, woulda made more sense to get him out of the way first.

[Redeemer]

Where'd you get that idea?

There was a storyline a few years ago where he got sick of being stupid - he naturally had below-average intelligence - so he took pills or something and became super smart. Then he got depressed and tired of life, so he decided to reverse the process.
I have read several issues of Amazing, but only got as far as the Venom acr.
I always assumed he made the suit himself and I thought the movie had took liberties by having Oscorp or who ever make the suit for him. sounds like I have more reading to do :D Looks like I will have to drop some coin the next free comic book day!:lol:

Still had no idea why Rhino wasn't in the beginning of the movie, woulda made more sense to get him out of the way first.

I feel indifferent, I thought it was great to show Peter had returned as spider-man and moved on. But I feel that they could have left Peter as is Not Spider-man until the next movie and the after affect of Gwen's death could have been a plot device.

[ZariusTwo]

News on what passes for some kind of direction for the property

Yesterday HitFix's Drew McWeeny dropped a little bombshell:

While I can't get the confirmations I need to verify the story, I'm hearing that there are some very cool "Spider-Man" plans being discussed that would help Sony refocus their enormously important franchise while also opening up some connections in the onscreen Marvel movie universe that would blow fandom's minds. Will it work out? I don't know. I would love to be able to state for sure that it's happening. What seems clear from what I've heard is that Marvel wants to be able to play with all of their characters, and if they can make that work creatively and on a corporate level, they will, and that means the world gets bigger again.

Spider-Man coming into the Marvel Cinematic Universe? That's a big deal. But get this: it's the THIRD DIFFERENT Spider-Man plan I've heard in the last week. Other things I've heard from insiders:

- Sony is going to soft reboot Spider-Man with The Sinister Six, having a new actor playing a Spidey who works with the villains The Dirty Dozen style to take down a larger threat.

- Sony is going to put Spider-Man on the shelf for four or five years and see if they can develop any of the side characters into their own franchises.

I've also heard that Venom is functionally dead again.

These are three wildly divergent stories, and I'm not sure if any of them are true or if all of them are true. I actually lean towards 'all of them' because that fits into the larger narrative of 'Sony has no clue what to do next.' I think that plans for Spider-Man change as the wind blows in Culver City, and that Marvel Studios could be taking advantage of this fact - as well as the fact that Sony is not doing so great in the movie business these days.

How did it get this far? It's crazy to imagine that the spectre of a new Spider-Man movie makes us unhappy. I remember frothing at the mouth for a quality Spidey film, and now all I want is for Peter Parker to quietly slink off someplace for a few years and leave us be.

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[ObiWanFan4life]

Sheesh, Sony really doesn't know what the hell they're doing. First, they try and copy the serious and gritty style of the Dark Knight movies, than they go for the lighter tone of the Marvel movies, and now they're trying to make their own Cinematic Universe?

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Sony, just stop. You don't know what you're doing. Just send Spider-Man to the MCU and have Andrew Garfield act as him again. At least Marvel will know how to make a Spider-Man movie that doesn't immediately garner universal hate (Spider-Man 3 or ASM 2).

Sony is going to put Spider-Man on the shelf for four or five years and see if they can develop any of the side characters into their own franchises.

Wait, what? Sony, do you actually expect people to watch your Sinister Six movie? Are you really going to try to make a Black Cat movie or a Venom movie, or a movie about some other side-character no one really cares about?

Good grief. If this is true then Sony must have given up on trying to make money on this franchise. It's the only logical explanation. Why spend millions of dollars on a film no one will watch?

[blindturtle02]

I have to agree with Redeemer. I loved Garfield as Spider-Man. There was something about the way Toby delivered his dialogue. I don't know. Garfield sounded more like the 90's animated Spidy I grew up with, and it definitely seemed as if he was more witty in this incarnation. It would have been nice to see a less confident Pete in some cases. Isn't he suppose to be a little insecure when he's out of costume? While in costume however, I wish he'd kept that mask on! I think I prefer this Green Goblin over Dafoe. At least this Goblin didn't scream out things like,"We'll meet again, Spider-Man!" Although I could have done without Electro's Itsy Bitsy Spider minor chord bit. Nice that they're keeping villains around in this version. Harry's still kicking, as is Connors and undoubtedly his feral side. But now I'm afraid we won't get a Sinister Six. And yeah, would have been neat to see Rhino in the suit at the beginning since Sony's not sure where they're going after this one.

I enjoyed Amazing Spider-Man II and hope to see at least one more. Seems like Spider-Man always gets interesting, and then incarnations usually get canceled or things like Spider-Man III happen. I thought I heard something about them selling to Disney, which would probably rule. All I want is to see a Venom that looks more like Eddie from the comics, and I want him to stick around rather than dying after a ten or so minute fight. I'd also like to see a Doc Oc that is in complete control of his actions rather than blaming everything on the nanotech tentacles. Tragic villains are great at times, but as much as I tried, I could never buy Raimi's spin on this guy. The fight scenes were great though.

[sdp]

Well I finally watched Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2 and they're umm...ok.

I'll begin with the negatives, the movies are on the long side which makes them boring.The plot doesn't move very fast either which makes it feel even longer. It also doesn't help that this isn't Batman so I don't know why so much of the movies take place at night, Spider-Man works better during the day. The colors in general are very mute, even in the day. Garfield is not a very good Peter Parker either. The whole movie ends up feeling a bit generic and nothing too special. I am not a fan of them making Peter's parents such a big plot point in the movies, it could've been a neat plot for one movie but not for an ongoing mystery. It hurt the relationship with Aunt May and even Uncle Ben. The new origin story was alright but not better. Peter being a High School kid is wasted, why go back if they weren't really going to use the HS setting and have him graduate the next movie? The Lizard looked ridiculous. What's the point of rushing the Green Goblin so quickly? They should've had Norman there since the first movie as well and even Harry, if they were just going to use them in 2. The love story could've been done a bit better but it's no worse than other superhero movies. The Daily Bugle and its characters were also missed. This being a reboot I wish the costume had been a bit different and had had much bigger eyes. At least they learned not to kill the villains in this movie.

I'll continue with the positives, Garfield is a pretty good Spider-Man. I also like the villains, it was awesome to finally see Dr. Connors become the lizard and while I've never liked Electro (i've always seen poor interpretations of him) I liked this version. Too bad he looked ridicuous in the posters since I did feel he could've carried the second movie himself. The whole Osbourne making all the meta humans actually works well and it's an easy way to suspend disbelief with all the crazier meta-humans Spider-Man has. I'm not a fan of a "real" mutant like Green Goblin however or his appearance in general. It was really nice seeing Gwen and I liked the actress even if she wasn't that great in a lot of the parts. I also liked her father's role in the first film. The effects were coola nd Spider-Man moved a lot like him. They should've saved Gwen's death for the third film with a proper Green Goblin but I guess since there won't be a third one in hindsight its good that they killed her.

Both movies' post credits scenes were terrible, like DCEU levels of badly setting up the rest of the universe. It was definitely trying too hard to make a universe and in Spider-Man's world it should be relatively easy and organic with its huge cast of characters.

I'm more mad at what the movies could've been than mad abotu the movies, they're ok, nothing special but nothing terrible as people make it out to be in the Venom/Black Cat threads.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Is this another example of Marvel stealing ideas from DC?

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