Star Wars original plans

[electric_sheep]

This might be something interesting to talk about. You watch the documentaries and hear stories but they never tell you the full story, what was really George's true vission, that he keeps changing?
Was it originaly a 9 part saga or 12? Or did they just make it up as they were going?

[electric_sheep]

http://www.filmthreat.com/interviews/8/#ixzz2Fcy0psgB
A relly cool interwivew with Gary Kurtz...

[DonnyMac]

As much as I love Star Wars I honestly don't want to know what Lucas originally planned. I'm convinced that the original trilogy is as great as it is because of the influences that came came from the studio, actors, producers, ect, who helped build upon the foundation that Lucas brought to the table.

We have seen what happens we get a trilogy that is solely based on George's vision, and we got the prequels. Giving us such amazing things as a plot driven by taxation of trade routes, Yoda jumping around like an idiot, and Jar Jar Binks.

[NinjaPug]

Good idea for a topic. This is one of those things where we'll never know the real story because Lucas kept saying contradictory things.

Personally I don't think he had any idea of what story he wanted to tell outside the first movie. It was after that that he started expanding the Skywalker mythology. I know he changed his mind regarding Anakin Skywalker but I didn't know he just his mind about making Leia the sister.

Anyone read the Dark Horse comic The Star Wars based on Lucas's first draft?

[electric_sheep]

Good idea for a topic. This is one of those things where we'll never know the real story because Lucas kept saying contradictory things.

Personally I don't think he had any idea of what story he wanted to tell outside the first movie. It was after that that he started expanding the Skywalker mythology. I know he changed his mind regarding Anakin Skywalker but I didn't know he just his mind about making Leia the sister.

Anyone read the Dark Horse comic The Star Wars based on Lucas's first draft?

Yeah and it wasn't really good, it had a few good ideas but no. They shouldn't just gone with his draft, they should have written a better dialouge and tightened the story. It has all the problems that the prequels, they are aimless, convoluted and very, very dry. It's interesting to see how much the story has changed though...

[Candy Kappa]

Seeing how the comic based on the original draft where Luke was Starkiller and not Skywalker, is a really bad story. I'm so glad we got the story in A New Hope, instead of... That.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

I've always thought the whole thing with George Lucas talking about his "vision" is a load of crap. I mean there is a comparison video you can watch on youtube that shows how George Lucas messed with things to try and fulfill his original "vision". There is actually one scene where he adds a ROCK to the cave where R2 is hiding. A ROCK! Stuff like that is just ridiculous. I could see MAYBE thinking that he wanted to put Jabba in a New Hope but to go back and do it retroactively just looked, ironically, even more lame than it would have if he had put it in the original. I will say that some of the fanboy griping is a little over the top. Like griping that the ewoks blink in one of the new versions. But most of the gripes are ABSOLUTELY legit. (cough) Han Shot First (cough). There is absolutely no way that he MEANT for Han to shoot second in the original version.

[electric_sheep]

Did the prequels also go with EU? because Disney had a chance to make it all alright, they contradict O.T on so many things that it would be only normal to make them non canon...

[electric_sheep]

Just because i don't have anything better to do i will list a couple of thing of the top of my head in P.T that contradict O.T and why P.T should't be canon.

1.The huge diference in tone and feel of the universe.

Original Triology felt natural, it felt organic, not only because of the practical efects but because of the world it self. It felt lived in and worn out, new one is sterile and dull, it feels like a cartoon, none of the designs are even remotly interesting or creative. You can keep your Gloomu Uptu, i'll take Bobba Fet any day.

2"He was the greatest star pilot in the universe and a good friend"

No Obi Wan, he wasn't, he really wasn't. He was an asshole from from the first moment we see him, he's whiny and talks behind your back every chance he gets, he's a spoiled brat . We don't see anything that sugests even remotly that he's a great pilot.


3. "You will go to Degobah, there will you will learn from Yoda a Jedi master that taught me."

Before you say "But Yoda taught Obi Wan when he was a kid"
No, no he didn't. You feel a real conection in Emipire that Yoda was Ben's real Master not just his preschool teacher where Ben taught from Yoda with 50 other children which kinda ruins his uniqueness (I hate that scene more than life itself).

4."This is your father's lightsaber, he wanted you to have it.

I don't even need to explain how wrong this one is.

5. "I rember my mother's face"

Same here...

6. Age inconsistence.

Obi Wan and Anikin are around 20 and 30 in "Revenge of the Sith"

But Obi Wan is clearly in his sixties in "New Hope".

When Anikin takes his mask off you see that he is an old man but only 26 years has pased by that time so he can't be that old, you can chuck that to wearing his mask for a long time but that's still just an excuse. This charachters are 20 years older than they should be.

7. Midichlorians

The rock has midichlorians to?

8. Emperors face inconsistence.

In "Revenge of The Jedi" Emperor doesen't have the crazy puffy monster face, he has just old man makeup.

9. "Anikin was sedused by the Dark Side"

He wasn't seduced, he willingly acepted it without any resistence in order to save Padme from child birth, he didn't even talk to her about it, he is a bloody moron.

10. Death Star.

The first Death Star took 20 years to complete but when we see it in "Revenge of the Sith" it's almost half built, so did they built it half way and rested for 20 years only to finish it when the "New Hope" starts?

[pennydreadful]

^^ All great points, sheep. If I were to sit down and go through all of my issues with the prequels, I'd be here until the end of time.

I've always thought the whole thing with George Lucas talking about his "vision" is a load of crap. I mean there is a comparison video you can watch on youtube that shows how George Lucas messed with things to try and fulfill his original "vision". There is actually one scene where he adds a ROCK to the cave where R2 is hiding. A ROCK! Stuff like that is just ridiculous. I could see MAYBE thinking that he wanted to put Jabba in a New Hope but to go back and do it retroactively just looked, ironically, even more lame than it would have if he had put it in the original. I will say that some of the fanboy griping is a little over the top. Like griping that the ewoks blink in one of the new versions. But most of the gripes are ABSOLUTELY legit. (cough) Han Shot First (cough). There is absolutely no way that he MEANT for Han to shoot second in the original version.

It was his continued tweaking of the OT that finally just made me hand in my fan card and walk away from the whole mess. That probably sounds petty, but it had just reached the point where I didn't have any goodwill left towards the franchise, and I wasn't capable of watching the OT without thinking about all of the re-tweaked versions and just getting irritated.

I know that sounds OTT, but the continued tweaking just really destroyed the illusion for me.

Personally, I don't think Lucas had much idea of what he was doing in terms of an overarching storyline. I think he had the concept of it being a saga, but that was about as fleshed out as it got.