No turtle / human mating

[arkangel]

I just had to share this old quote I found from Peter Laird. Did this REALLY need to be clarified ??? My sides are aching... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Regarding Karai being called "Leo[nardo]'s girlfriend" by the time of the show's third season, Laird noted that "contrary to what some TMNT fans might fantasize, Turtles don't mate/have love affairs with humans."[43]

omg... I'm going to pee my pants..:lol:

[Candy Kappa]

*cough* Radical *cough* :lol:

[miru]

Now that Nick owns the turtles, they might be disregarding that rule for better storytelling.

[rickwj324]

I just had to share this old quote I found from Peter Laird. Did this REALLY need to be clarified ??? My sides are aching... :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Regarding Karai being called "Leo[nardo]'s girlfriend" by the time of the show's third season, Laird noted that "contrary to what some TMNT fans might fantasize, Turtles don't mate/have love affairs with humans."[43]

omg... I'm going to pee my pants..:lol:

And that's a good thing! There's an image I don't want to imagine. :lol:

Donnie's crush on April is cute, but honestly I could never see April feeling that way about him. He is a turtle! I can understand her loving the turtles as you would a family member, but not being physical with them.

[CyberCubed]

Nobody wants to see stuff like this outside of furries and people on deviantart.

[rickwj324]

Nobody wants to see stuff like this outside of furries and people on deviantart.

Haha... the thought of 'furries' just cracks me up!! :lol:

BTW Cybercubed...I've been meaning to ask you.... who is that guy in your sig? I really feel like I should know, but I can't put my finger on it.

[TurtleTitan97]

Haha... the thought of 'furries' just cracks me up!! :lol:

I think the proper term would be 'Scalies' :trazz:

[Tazi]

*cough* Radical *cough* :lol:

Ah, yeap, this. I wonder why PL let that to happen...

[Candy Kappa]

Ah, yeap, this. I wonder why PL let that to happen...

I think it was in that period he just green light things without detail checking them. iirc

[Tazi]

green light things without detail checking them
...does that mean he was drunk? :P
j/k

Sure the interracial thing was somewhat disturbing, but it was also super random to make her Leo's mate. I just can't see them getting together.

[electric_sheep]

They could though, they have more human than turtle DNA, what would those kids look like?

[Candy Kappa]

...does that mean he was drunk? :P
j/k

Sure the interracial thing was somewhat disturbing, but it was also super random to make her Leo's mate. I just can't see them getting together.

I wouldn't have minded as much had there been some actual build-up to it. The turtles have what, interacted with Radical like 3-5 times?

And suddenly we are presented to a story where old Leo dates Radical in the future, and it's only purpose is to fridge Radical to further Leo's journey. Radical is completely f*cked over with how she is handled and her death. The story is so insulting to the character, at least have her have a final battle where she fights to the bitter end. Nope *snap* done. Leo is the one who ends Complete Carnage.

A complete disservice to Radical.

[Refractive Reflections]

Donnie's crush on April is cute, but honestly I could never see April feeling that way about him. He is a turtle! I can understand her loving the turtles as you would a family member, but not being physical with them.

I'm starting to wonder if Nick April is maybe deliberately "not so innocent" (a stretch I know, but could be seen from a particular viewpoint) by playing with Donnie's heart since April seemed to bond with Casey so quickly by flirting back with him when she would tease back, "Since when was this a date Casey?" in one episode or in "Wormquake!" how she automatically assumed it was Casey reaching toward her when that worm was rubbing itself on her backside.:lol:

Yet whenever it comes to reciprocating to Donnie's affection, she's either vapid like a block of wood, acts completely ignorant/clueless, or she coaxes Donnie to keep pursuing that Retro-Mutagen to save her father with just the right amount of minimal gratitude kisses on the cheek.

It's not like some teen girls are above that type of shady behavior ;):lol: in exploiting the brainy nerds by making them do favors for her, with the nerds thinking they actually have a chance with her (the hot/pretty girl). Play on Nick April, play on...

[Coola Yagami]

I seriously doubt the turtles could impregnate a human female.... they're just not compatible. However, that doesn't mean they can't screw as much as they want without the consequences. Leo and Radical were in love, no mention of children.

That's another obstacle if the Don/April drama were to take place on a more realistic and mature adult setting. What would Don do if one day his wife wanted children? They'd probably have to adopt or something. Would Donnie hit some kind of depression over not being able to give the women he loves children?

[electric_sheep]

I seriously doubt the turtles could impregnate a human female.... they're just not compatible. However, that doesn't mean they can't screw as much as they want without the consequences. Leo and Radical were in love, no mention of children.

That's another obstacle if the Don/April drama were to take place on a more realistic and mature adult setting. What would Don do if one day his wife wanted children? They'd probably have to adopt or something. Would Donnie hit some kind of depression over not being able to give the women he loves children?

If 2012 Donatelo and April had a kid would that kid be human? You know because april's retro mutagenic body would just cleanse it's genes...
And here's a really bad one.
If 2012 Donatello and April try to have sex wouldn't donatelo's penis (If he has a human penis) emidietly turn into a turtle penis because she's an anti mutant?

[Shark_Blade]

Since the turtles acquires human attributes (walking on two legs, speech, way of thinking, physical traits, etc) due to their mutation, I'd say anything is possible.

*is expecting Leo/Karai, April/Donnie, Raph/Casey mating season soon* :tcool:If 2012 Donatelo and April had a kid would that kid be human? You know because april's retro mutagenic body would just cleanse it's genes...
And here's a really bad one.
If 2012 Donatello and April try to have sex wouldn't donatelo's penis (If he has a human penis) emidietly turn into a turtle penis because she's an anti mutant?

Their baby probably look something like this :tlove:

http://i.imgur.com/EjFwuT2.png

Or solely human or turtle attribute only.

[Coola Yagami]

If 2012 Donatelo and April had a kid would that kid be human? You know because april's retro mutagenic body would just cleanse it's genes...
And here's a really bad one.
If 2012 Donatello and April try to have sex wouldn't donatelo's penis (If he has a human penis) emidietly turn into a turtle penis because she's an anti mutant?

April might be immune to mutagen but that's within her cells and such. The way you're describing it makes it sound like April would have turned Donnie into a normal turtle just by kissing him. I doubt um.. to put it lightly.... anything done during the actual act would turn any part of Donnie into normal turtle parts.

[Coola Yagami]

On other topics... would April give birth to an egg? Reminds me of the Mario Bros. movie.

[Shark_Blade]

On other topics... would April give birth to an egg? Reminds me of the Mario Bros. movie.

Nah, her body isn't built to lay eggs lol. And Donnie's DNA is a mix of human/turtle imo like I mentioned, i.e he can consume human food too.

[electric_sheep]

April might be immune to mutagen but that's within her cells and such. The way you're describing it makes it sound like April would have turned Donnie into a normal turtle just by kissing him. I doubt um.. to put it lightly.... anything done during the actual act would turn any part of Donnie into normal turtle parts.

Let's say he's 50/50 percent human turtle, on which side would the coin fall? Isn't there a chance that his turtle parts would turn into human parts?

[Shark_Blade]

Let's say he's 50/50 percent human turtle, on which side would the coin fall? Isn't there a chance that his turtle parts would turn into human parts?

Solely her blood won't affect anything. Donnie experimented with her blood and other substances to make the retromutagen, it takes him months to create it too.

They can bang as much as they want without worrying about anything.

Edit: Wait are you talking about their baby?Re-reading the quotes, it doesn't seem like it.

[electric_sheep]

Solely her blood won't affect anything. Donnie experimented with her blood and other substances to make the retromutagen, it takes him months to create it too.

They can bang as much as they want without worrying about anything.

Edit: Wait are you talking about their baby?Re-reading the quotes, it doesn't seem like it.

In that quote i was talking about him.

(Isn't it wierd that the most civilised topic in a while is on a subject of turtle dicks?)

[Shark_Blade]

Turtle dicks are scary so I hope it's shaped like a human's lmao :tlol: I dunno, whatever floats your boat I guess.

[rickwj324]

Turtle dicks are scary so I hope it's shaped like a human's lmao :tlol: I dunno, whatever floats your boat I guess.

There was a video on Tosh.O of a turtle "finishing" and it was pretty disturbing! :o

[Coola Yagami]

I'm pretty sure the turtles junk is pretty much like human junk. Goes along with having human arms, legs and a digestive system. I assume pizza would poison and kill real turtles. Hell, they even have human teeth. It's stuff we ignore and take for granted cause it's a cartoon and all but think about it.... they have friggin human teeth.


As for April... why do you have the weird idea that her junk is retromutagenic??? I mean Don got the cure based on her blood cells or saliva swab. He didn't say 'hey um April... can I borrow one of your used pads?' or anything like that. I really doubt her um..... lower bodily fluids would somehow turn the turtles back to normal.

And gah, it's disgusting even talking about this with this particular version of April.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

*reads discussion of the thread*

:ohwell:

*reads more*

:teek:

*backs out slowly*

(Strong Bad)You guys're weiiird, man.(/Strong Bad)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, as a side-issue of what Donnie's "junk" would look like, even if it was shaped like a human one (which I sort of doubt, given that they are apparently still inside the shell) it would probably still be proportionately sized like a normal turtle's. That means it would be WAAAY bigger than a human's, which is just..... Ouch. Uh, I'm thinking they probably couldn't "mate" like normal couples.

[Technogeek29]

*Grabs swiftninja*

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131228183034/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/5/58/Animated-gif-dog-jake-adventure-time-finn-boy-nope-run-hide-1360695904.gif

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah, seeing how the turtles equipment is still internal when not... Activated, I'd say it's more turtley then humany.

And with that, I think it is enough internet for today (tonight).

[Cipher]

I'm torn on the Radical thing.

On the one hand: Yeah! That issue completely and classically fridges her.

On the other hand, both she and Complete Carnage had kind of been written off into oblivion by that point and I like most of the issue. I also have no problem with her and Leo being an item; both are very spiritual and, to the extent that they could love each others' personalities despite physical differences, I can dig it. This is also on a post-alien Earth, so make of that what you will.

Honestly, its no more or less weird than Raphael and Ninjara. Actually, it's less weird.

Also, f*ck the rest of this thread.

[NoName999]

So turtle/human relations is a big nono but turtle/alien (Michelangelo and Seri) is totally okay?

LOL

[Powder]

I'm torn on the Radical thing.

On the one hand: Yeah! That issue completely and classically fridges her.

On the other hand, both she and Complete Carnage had kind of been written off into oblivion by that point and I like most of the issue. I also have no problem with her and Leo being an item; both are very spiritual and, to the extent that they could love each others' personalities despite physical differences, I can dig it. This is also on a post-alien Earth, so make of that what you will.

Honestly, its no more or less weird than Raphael and Ninjara. Actually, it's less weird.

Also, f*ck the rest of this thread.

This post, 100%.

[Nameless]

i'm still laughing from the OT ninja turtle voice actor panel when the question was asked "which character would you have liked to play if you could have been any character from the show". April's (Renae Jacobs) answer was something like "i would like to have played any of the turtles if i could have, i also would have liked to have done any of the turtles". again i say was a fun panel but not very PG.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

*Grabs swiftninja*

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131228183034/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/5/58/Animated-gif-dog-jake-adventure-time-finn-boy-nope-run-hide-1360695904.gif

Noooooooooo!

[Coola Yagami]

lmao whoa. Honestly it woulda been kinda funny hearing Renae make any kind of sexual joke, even if it about the Turtles, in her April voice. LOL

But yeah, you people overthink it too much. They're still cartoons. I really seriously doubt the Turtles are gonna be pretty much humanoid (c'mon, look at them, they're basically green humans with weird faces, weird hands and feet and shells on) and yet still have animal-type junk. It just makes no sense.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Yeah, seeing how the turtles equipment is still internal when not... Activated, I'd say it's more turtley then humany.

And with that, I think it is enough internet for today (tonight).

I read a scientific encyclopedia on box turtles (the kind typically kept as pets) and it mentioned that males sometimes die after copulation after falling off the female, landing on their backs, and not being able to get upon their feet again.

[Coola Yagami]

I read a scientific encyclopedia on box turtles (the kind typically kept as pets) and it mentioned that males sometimes die after copulation after falling off the female, landing on their backs, and not being able to get upon their feet again.

See? More weird animal facts. The Turtles are way too humanoid now. I doubt any of them are gonna suddenly drop dead after getting laid.

[Nameless]

lmao whoa. Honestly it woulda been kinda funny hearing Renae make any kind of sexual joke, even if it about the Turtles, in her April voice. LOL

best part was Rob Paulson (raph) going "now she tells us/if only we knew".

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

After seeing the "Turtles, Turtles Everywhere" episode, and seeing the evening news showing a mother sea turtle digging a hole and laying her eggs in it, I was prompted to wonder how a hard-shelled turtle could possibly have the space inside her to accommodate all her eggs.

[plastroncafe]

Turtles are bigger on the inside.

[electric_sheep]

Turtles are bigger on the inside.

Ouuu, and people say that i say nasty stuff...

[Xav]

So turtle/human relations is a big nono but turtle/alien (Michelangelo and Seri) is totally okay?

LOLMaybe because they are both reptiles, Laird thought it would make more sense for them to have a relationship than with a human?

[Warhorse]

Let's say he's 50/50 percent human turtle, on which side would the coin fall? Isn't there a chance that his turtle parts would turn into human parts?

More than likely. That's what nature does, it adapts to preserve life, so I would assume this is what would happen here.

Strange thing though. In the horse world, we have horses and ponies, but then we have the cousins like donkeys and asses. Now donkeys/asses can be mated to ponies/horses, and create offspring, but the offspring is sterile.

[ProactiveMan]

"The sum of the angles of that rectangle is too monstrous to contemplate!"

[tmnt transformer]

Man, this thread is just plain strange.... Why would anyone want to play match maker with the turtles!? I don't even want to think about what Donnie and April do in their spair time... And what would April have to go through in order for that to all work out? Can you explain this Shark Blade?

[electric_sheep]

Man, this thread is just plain strange.... Why would anyone want to play match maker with the turtles!? I don't even want to think about what Donnie and April do in their spair time... And what would April have to go through in order for that to all work out? Can you explain this Shark Blade?

Because this questions have been pushed aside for 30 years now, we wanna find some answers, god damn it!

[tmnt transformer]

Because this questions have been pushed aside for 30 years now, we wanna find some answers, god damn it!

I know that... But... There are some things man was never ment to tamper with....

[victory_angel]

I highly doubt Donnie and April are going to have a kid. I mean right now their relationship is too young. April has two guys she likes, she loves them both and if she loses one it will effect her deeply.

With Donnie, he can't provide her an ideal life. I mean the guy lives in a sewer for crying out loud. But he has a family that has willingly accepted April as one of their own. And even though they don't have much to offer, what they have still feels like enough. The only way he can provide her a proper home is if they find some empty house in the middle of nowhere outside the city and convert that into a home. And children they would have to find and house abandoned children. Heck they can even start an orphanage for abandoned mutant children...:teek::D *Goes off to write fanfic*

Casey on the other hands it's unknown if April can have children with him. After all even though she is for all intents and purposes a human, she isn't really a human. She's an alien/human hybrid. Mirage April it was revealed that no matter how many times she boinked Casey she couldn't get pregnant because she was a living Drawing. Here it's still up in the air. But unlike Donatello, Casey can provide April a normal life. A home in the city, a place among humans and society.

[Candy Kappa]

I read a scientific encyclopedia on box turtles (the kind typically kept as pets) and it mentioned that males sometimes die after copulation after falling off the female, landing on their backs, and not being able to get upon their feet again.

Box turtles do have a. At apace more akin to tortoises then turtles, so I'd imagine they would have as much trouble as a tortoise to flip themselves over compared to other turtles like Red-Eared Sliders, who can easily flip themselves around.

[Lou 500]

I dunno, interspecies relationships don't seem that taboo - just look at Mass Effect (Femshep can romance with Garrus), Star Trek, Stargate and Farscape have depicted interspecies relationships before and there's even that lesbian couple in Doctor Who. IMO, it seems kinda sad that the turtles don't/shouldn't have any romance options on earth. While they share DNA with a terrapin which is outwardly obvious, they're still capable of consenting and comprehending relationships.

Regarding the whole reproduction thing, I doubt they'd be able to produce viable offspring; their DNA is just too different. I could see Donnie adopting a kid with his human partner somewhere down the line, though. (It doesn't have to be April) That being said, this would have to be in a world where they're accepted by humanity and allowed to walk the surface.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

I dunno, interspecies relationships don't seem that taboo - just look at Mass Effect (Femshep can romance with Garrus), Star Trek, Stargate and Farscape have depicted interspecies relationships before and there's even that lesbian couple in Doctor Who. IMO, it seems kinda sad that the turtles don't/shouldn't have any romance options on earth. While they share DNA with a terrapin which is outwardly obvious, they're still capable of consenting and comprehending relationships.

Regarding the whole reproduction thing, I doubt they'd be able to produce viable offspring; their DNA is just too different. I could see Donnie adopting a kid with his human partner somewhere down the line, though. (It doesn't have to be April) That being said, this would have to be in a world where they're accepted by humanity and allowed to walk the surface.

I did see a page from a comic book depicting a beautiful woman having sex with a horrible space monster, the idea of creating a hybrid.

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. This is an interesting discussion. My opinion is that there are many pros as well as cons for the Turtles having any kind of relationship outside of friendship with a human. Does that mean it's totally impossible? Not really, but they do have to proceed with caution. Don and April probably could have a relationship seeing as how she's already immersed in their world, but as for kids, I'm honestly not sure. It just depends on which route people want to go with it.

[Candy Kappa]

A turtle/human hybrid seems a bit too fantastical.

[Tazi]

furries and people on deviantart.

that worm was rubbing itself on her backside.

Turtles are bigger on the inside.

a beautiful woman having sex with a horrible space monster, the idea of creating a hybrid

Definitely an impressive thread... :lol:

[Lou 500]

I did see a page from a comic book depicting a beautiful woman having sex with a horrible space monster, the idea of creating a hybrid.

I remember this X-files episode in my childhood about this worm took over women's minds by crawling up their... Actually yeah, this thread is bizarre enough.

[Vicky82]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbbsr1VsCS1qzsn9l.jpg

If Gargoyles did it than TMNT can. :D

Even though Disney stopped the series, Greg Weisman has revealed many secrets and plans he had for the Gargoyles Universe.

Goliath and Elisa do get married and they do adopted a kid

Everything on Gargoyles is on this site if anyones interested.

http://gargwiki.net/Main_Page

[electric_sheep]

that worm was rubbing itself on her backside.
Did anyone notice how in that scene she was "Not now Casey"? Even though she though he was grabing her ass, she just shruged it off as something that happened before...

[Netkeeper]

I subscribe to the theory that mutated turtles are sterile due to their exposure to mutagen, just like exposure to radiation can kill the reproductive capabilities of a human.

Also, two different species generally cannot produce offspring regardless. This is why cats and dogs can't have babies, people.

[To say nothing of the fact that humans are not reptiles and that the two species produce children in radically different ways.]

[Candy Kappa]

I subscribe to the theory that mutated turtles are sterile due to their exposure to mutagen, just like exposure to radiation can kill the reproductive capabilities of a human.
]

I've been thinking about that as well, reptiles are sensitive to radiation. I remember way back in elementary school, we saw a documentary about radiation and its effect on crocodiles, making the males sterile from birth/hatching due to mutations.

[Netkeeper]

Yeah. It doesn't help that their DNA is irregular due to said mutation and that I personally can't consider biological reproduction a possibility with them.

[electric_sheep]

I've been thinking about that as well, reptiles are sensitive to radiation. I remember way back in elementary school, we saw a documentary about radiation and its effect on crocodiles, making the males sterile from birth/hatching due to mutations.

Hmm, that throws all of our theories in the water. We don't know what are the efects of the mutagen though maybe their seamen mutated as well...

[victory_angel]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbbsr1VsCS1qzsn9l.jpg

If Gargoyles did it than TMNT can. :D

Even though Disney stopped the series, Greg Weisman has revealed many secrets and plans he had for the Gargoyles Universe.

Goliath and Elisa do get married and they do adopted a kid

Everything on Gargoyles is on this site if anyones interested.

http://gargwiki.net/Main_Page

Yeah, he also had a comic book where he shared his vision.

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/Jahumlie/Jahumlie004/11_zpsfa55e694.jpg (http://s989.photobucket.com/user/Jahumlie/media/Jahumlie004/11_zpsfa55e694.jpg.html)

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/Jahumlie/Jahumlie005/12_zps536f193c.jpg (http://s989.photobucket.com/user/Jahumlie/media/Jahumlie005/12_zps536f193c.jpg.html)

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/Jahumlie/Jahumlie005/24_zpsa116854b.jpg (http://s989.photobucket.com/user/Jahumlie/media/Jahumlie005/24_zpsa116854b.jpg.html)

[Refractive Reflections]

Did anyone notice how in that scene she was "Not now Casey"? Even though she though he was grabing her ass, she just shruged it off as something that happened before...

I know! :P But actually it was a "Stop it", but the fact that she assumed it was Casey first, despite creepy Donnie, could imply other things. That's what led to my earlier humorously out-there possibility about Nick April being a deliberate tease toward Donnie, even though she's already fallen for Casey (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1262514&postcount=13).

[BubblyShell22]

Nice comic, VA. But why is Elisa suddenly dressed like Princess Jasmine from Aladdin?

As I've said, adoption could be a possibility as well, but you have to consider the Turtles' lifestyle as ninjas and how even bringing a kid into the world could be a dangerous thing. I think a lot of us speculate on this and wish it could happen because we want the guys to be happy, yet there are so many variables of why it may be impossible to have that ideal life that many wish for.

[The Turtle Terminator]

This makes me imagine an image that probably should be unimaginable:tcouch::tcouch:

[Vicky82]

Nice comic, VA. But why is Elisa suddenly dressed like Princess Jasmine from Aladdin?

It was at Halloween and they were all dressed up (except for Goliath and Hudson) at Xanatos costume party. The previous Halloween, Elisa was dressed up as Belle from Beauty and the Beast.

[ZariusTwo]

I write a pretty healthy Mikey/April pairing in my fics, though I've managed to skirt around the bonking issue because, for one thing, it's too easy (and pretty gross) to write, and I'm more about long conversations and cuddles with girls anyway.

[DarthEmpress]

I did ask Mr. Laird why he didn't think turtle/human pairings could work and he said: “Without getting too graphic, I just don’t see how the Turtle and human parts would fit together that well… which is why I think the “alien girlfriend” idea makes a bit more sense.”

Soooo Leo and Radical must've gotten creative.

[electric_sheep]

I write a pretty healthy Mikey/April pairing in my fics, though I've managed to skirt around the bonking issue because, for one thing, it's too easy (and pretty gross) to write, and I'm more about long conversations and cuddles with girls anyway.

For some strange reason i dont belive you...

[arkangel]

If Donnie dies, it better not be because he couldn't get off of his back. :lol:
The thread started out funny, but with mention of nasty turtle junk and April laying eggs, I'm getting scared. :teek:
If Peter gave these explainations with a serious face, not breaking his composure, THAT would have been fricking hilarious.

[Luckyday]

The more I think about it, it's probably more likely for them to be solely attract to humans. It's not matter of choice but it's more of a subconscious level and a side effect of being raise ( of what I can only assume) in isolation and not being able interact with any other mutants and only knowing for sure that humans exist. In any case they're more likely be attracted to mutants of mammal variety that look very similar to human women, except maybe Mikey.

Now this doesn't mean they can't fall for reptile mutants but if they had a choice between two girls who both openly attracted to them but one of them looks human and other is reptile with zero mammal traits (no hair, no boobs). They would go for the human. Hell falling for a female turtle of same species would take a lot mental effort because in their head they would look too much like a boy.

[Coola Yagami]

I did ask Mr. Laird why he didn't think turtle/human pairings could work and he said: “Without getting too graphic, I just don’t see how the Turtle and human parts would fit together that well… which is why I think the “alien girlfriend” idea makes a bit more sense.”

Soooo Leo and Radical must've gotten creative.

Most of their female species and such look pretty much female humanoid anyway. It's not like the Turtles are falling for bizzare monsters that don't resemble humans at all. If he thinks turtle parts won't fit with human female parts... how they hell would they fit with any other female parts??? Are the Regeneta a lot bigger on the inside than they look on the outside?

As for the radioactive aspect... in that case... they wouldn't even be able to impregnate Venus if they wanted.

[snake]

Now that Nick owns the turtles, they might be disregarding that rule for better storytelling.

"Better storytelling"




"Better storytelling"



"Better"


"Storytelling"




:teek:

[Nameless]

The thread started out funny, but with mention of nasty turtle junk and April laying eggs, I'm getting scared. :teek:

and with that i will have to say........ Bail out time ;)

[Luckyday]

For some strange reason i dont belive you...

Yeah, I want to see this story. Although, it's probably better then what we have right now.

Pssht, "Better storytelling" my ass. :trolleye:

[electric_sheep]

What have i done?

[Netkeeper]

The thread started out funny, but with mention of nasty turtle junk and April laying eggs, I'm getting scared. :teek:
I feel the need to point something out to you:
http://i.imgur.com/b131g5m.png

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I believe Zarius was referring to her "We Are Shadows" tale, and yes, it's true. I've read it, and it's mostly fluffy, even between the Mikey/April pairing. Nothing graphic or even hinting at physical intimacy of the sexual kind in it. For that matter, so are most of her fics!

Now, MINE on the other hand, does go into some rather curious and deep territory in this respect, with Mikey and an OC of mine. However, the main plot of the story revolves around their INABILITY to have a physical relationship. (Not to mention his brothers' being against the match, for that very reason.) I did a fair amount of research into (and some logical reasoning) the subject of turtle mating/reproduction, and how it would apply to them. The resulting head-canon was that they would at the very least be too different genetically to produce offspring, especially considering the cold-bloodedness and hatching from eggs as primary factors. The second major issue (in head-canon) was size differences. Proportionately speaking, a male turtle is FAR more endowed than any human, which would probably cause pain and damage to his human partner.

[Luckyday]

I believe Zarius was referring to her "We Are Shadows" tale, and yes, it's true. I've read it, and it's mostly fluffy, even between the Mikey/April pairing. Nothing graphic or even hinting at physical intimacy of the sexual kind in it. For that matter, so are most of her fics!

Now, MINE on the other hand, does go into some rather curious and deep territory in this respect, with Mikey and an OC of mine. However, the main plot of the story revolves around their INABILITY to have a physical relationship. (Not to mention his brothers' being against the match, for that very reason.) I did a fair amount of research into (and some logical reasoning) the subject of turtle mating/reproduction, and how it would apply to them. The resulting head-canon was that they would at the very least be too different genetically to produce offspring, especially considering the cold-bloodedness and hatching from eggs as primary factors. The second major issue (in head-canon) was size differences. Proportionately speaking, a male turtle is FAR more endowed than any human, which would probably cause pain and damage to his human partner.

You talking about Love is shell?

[Cipher]

Soooo Leo and Radical must've gotten creative.
Or not, because of all the weird spiritualism, astral projection, dream worlds, etc. the two get into.

That's why I said that one actually makes more sense than Raph and Ninjara.

Although for all of these, we're assuming hey need natural penetration, which, sh*t, not even all human couples can do or want to do that. There are plenty of options.

I don't want to spend too much more time pondering this. But if a version wants to go out of the way to say the Turtles can, as sentient, humanoid species, be attracted to other sentient, humanoid species, then, sure -- go for it. The practicalities of their intercourse aren't going to be a hold-up.

[Netkeeper]

But if a version wants to go out of the way to say the Turtles can, as sentient, humanoid species, be attracted to other sentient, humanoid species, then, sure -- go for it. The practicalities of their intercourse aren't going to be a hold-up.
Yes, my previous comments on the nature of their biological reproduction [or my hateboner for Apriltello] notwithstanding, I think it's perfectly fine for turtles to be attracted to humans. It just isn't what Laird personally wants for his turtles, and that is also something I can understand.

[electric_sheep]

Or not, because of all the weird spiritualism, astral projection, dream worlds, etc. the two get into.

That's why I said that one actually makes more sense than Raph and Ninjara.

Although for all of these, we're assuming hey need natural penetration, which, sh*t, not even all human couples can do or want to do that. There are plenty of options.

I don't want to spend more thoughts on this. But if a version wants to go out of the way to say the Turtles can, as sentient, humanoid species, be attracted to other sentient, humanoid species, then, sure -- go for it. The practicalities of their intercourse aren't going to be a hold-up.

Raph and Ninjara is way to wierd it involves 3 diferent spieces while with April it involves only two so there's atleast some posibilites there. Though their best chances are either Mona Lisa or Venus.

[tmnt transformer]

Just to put my 2 cents into this conversation, do we really know who much the mutagen changed the turtles? I mean, what if the turtles DNA became more human than turtle? That's what it seems like... And what if April's mutation altered her DNA enough to match the altered DNA of the turtles of there mutation?.... The possibilities are endless...

[electric_sheep]

Just to put my 2 cents into this conversation, do we really know who much the mutagen changed the turtles? I mean, what if the turtles DNA became more human than turtle? That's what it seems like... And what if April's mutation altered her DNA enough to match the altered DNA of the turtles of there mutation?.... The possibilities are endless...

There are two versions where April/turltes pairing may work and those are 87 turtles and 2012 because those are the version where turtles are created because they were touched by a human, they've got human DNA in them, in other incarnation the ooze just evolves them to humanoids, so i don't think there's much human DNA there...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You talking about Love is shell?

As a matter of fact, yes. When I first started it, the story was intended as just light romance with a few minor nods to the differences involved- but the more I got into it, the more the practicalities seemed to weigh in on the subject of such a pairing (be it with April, Radical, or anyone else), and I wanted to fully explore that aspect with all its ramifications, limitations, and psychological/emotional effects. So far, it seems like Raph and Mona Lisa would have the best chance of having a relationship (with all that it implies) and possibly a family. I guess you could say I went at it from the perspective of: how WOULD they view the idea of relationships with humans, or any other species? Who would be open to it, and why? I also slipped some Leo/Lotus into the mix, since it IS canon, and she was Karai's precursor. My take on that pair was that she left either because she didn't share his feelings, or simply couldn't handle the concept and chose to avoid it altogether.

Granted, this is all completely speculative, but I felt like it's one of the few tales out there that seems to actually dig into the question of "what would happen". Very few others I've read seem to even address it, and most simply hand-wave it into- they have a "miracle baby", or the subject of eventual kids is never brought up. Or they adopt, etc.

[Luckyday]

Well if we've talking realism here (something that I always love to see more in fanfics) then we should take in account of nurture side of the coin. Many are often under the assumption that the turtles would be solely attracted to reptiles but we often forget their upbringing, which stems from being raise in extreme isolation and being raise by someone of a different species all together, who talks and walks like a human.

Now someone mention how it seem more unlikely for Raph to fall for a fox humanoid but (and this is the weird part so bare with me) research has shown that we often fall for people that raise us so a fox that's japanese, knows ninjutsu, and looks similar to a rat wouldn't be so out there for someone like Raph.

I can't say the same for the others but I were to pin the sexual preference it would be.

Don: Humans or creatures that look human.
Leonardo: Human as far we know.
Raph: Women that look like wolves or a lizard with mammaries and hair. Still very close to human.
Mike: ? or will go for anyone really and it will be hilarious if that become part of his personality.

[Netkeeper]

So you're saying Raph has an Oedipus complex.

[electric_sheep]

So you're saying Raph has an Oedipus complex.

http://sr.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Oedipus%20Complex&defid=1923006
Why would you do that?
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/1lgYDbTGW9I/hqdefault.jpg

On the topic though, If one of the turtles had a kid with April, her body would clean it of all mutagenic genes, so does that mean kid would be of Hamato Yoshi?

[Luckyday]

http://sr.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Oedipus%20Complex&defid=1923006
Why would you do that?
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/1lgYDbTGW9I/hqdefault.jpg

On the topic though, If one of the turtles had a kid with April, her body would clean it of all mutagenic genes, so does that mean kid would be of Hamato Yoshi?

Well according to this essay. The Human DNA wouldn't be enough to work.

http://event0horizon.tumblr.com/post/58606606074/im-seeing-a-lot-of-misunderstandings-becoming

[Refractive Reflections]

For some strange reason i dont belive you...

Yeah, I want to see this story. Although, it's probably better then what we have right now.


I've read Zarius' stories both "We Are Shadows" (a darker fan-universe version of TMNT) and the 10-part novella sequels (he's working on his 8th right now) of the Fred Wolf stories and they are very good. I highly recommend his stories. (You can find them on the links in Zarius' signature if you are interested.) The stories are at most PG in terms of romantic content, and the romantic relationships are gradual, believable, and secondary compared to the overall adventure/action/suspense tone of the stories, unlike 85% of the TMNT fanfics out there. They don't contain the detestable Mary Sues, graphic sexual content, easily infatuated relationships, and other cliche romantic devices that are so prevalent in other TMNT fanfics which make them soap opera-ish.

You'll see my in-depth reviews on his fanfic threads, if any of you are curious about the details of those stories.

[electric_sheep]

Well according to this essay. The Human DNA wouldn't be enough to work.

http://event0horizon.tumblr.com/post/58606606074/im-seeing-a-lot-of-misunderstandings-becoming

that's so informative...

I've read Zarius' stories both "We Are Shadows" (a darker fan-universe version of TMNT) and the 10-part novella sequels (he's working on his 8th right now) of the Fred Wolf stories and they are very good. I highly recommend his stories. (You can find them on the links in Zarius' signature if you are interested.) The stories are at most PG in terms of romantic content, and the romantic relationships are gradual, believable, and secondary compared to the overall adventure/action/suspense tone of the stories, unlike 85% of the TMNT fanfics out there. They don't contain the detestable Mary Sues, graphic sexual content, easily infatuated relationships, and other cliche romantic devices that are so prevalent in other TMNT fanfics which make them soap opera-ish.

You'll see my in-depth reviews on his fanfic threads, if any of you are curious about the details of those stories.

that's interesting, i'll check that out.

Also i would love to hear your guys thoughts on this
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=43308
It's a story that i was working a while back but the lack of anyone noticing it kinda bumed me out...
It's kinda dificult to read because it's messy but i'll fix that.

[ZariusTwo]

I believe Zarius was referring to her "We Are Shadows" tale

"Her?":o

I knew I was surpremly "firm" but...yeah, I'm a guy.

I'd recommend reading "Margarita on the Half-Shell" on FF.net (I think I have it in my favourites on that site), it's about a one-night stand between Don and Irma, but it isnt bogged down by smut or anything and everyone acts in-character, it feels like a Saturday morning episode only the characters have a hangover.

[Candy Kappa]

"Better storytelling"




"Better storytelling"



"Better"


"Storytelling"




:teek:

Bow chicka bow wow. :lol:

[BubblyShell22]

"Her?":o

I knew I was surpremly "firm" but...yeah, I'm a guy.

I'd recommend reading "Margarita on the Half-Shell" on FF.net (I think I have it in my favourites on that site), it's about a one-night stand between Don and Irma, but it isnt bogged down by smut or anything and everyone acts in-character, it feels like a Saturday morning episode only the characters have a hangover.


Oh, yeah, I think I read one chapter of that, and I really liked it. Might have to read the rest of it, too.

Zarius and Ms.MarvelDuckie both have great stories exploring the nature of the Turtles and having relationships, and I recommend that you all check them out. I have also explored the idea of a relationship in my Deadly Game series starting with Hide and Seek about a cop who falls in love with Leo. I haven't updated it in ages though, but I will get to it. I don't mind reading stories about the Turtles having relationships as long as the plot is well-written and believable. I also recommend Cardinal Points by Dark Underworld and A Walk With Brother Turtle by SunLux.

[Luckyday]

I know that I'm probably getting off topic but there also a fanfic called "The Talk" that centers on Turtle's sexuality. The story is more about them discussing it and exploring the topic although I have to warn that the last chapter has smut.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3598162/1/The-Talk

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Box turtles do have a. At apace more akin to tortoises then turtles, so I'd imagine they would have as much trouble as a tortoise to flip themselves over compared to other turtles like Red-Eared Sliders, who can easily flip themselves around.

You aren't kidding:
UO0kar6EUwI

[electric_sheep]

Well if we've talking realism here (something that I always love to see more in fanfics) then we should take in account of nurture side of the coin. Many are often under the assumption that the turtles would be solely attracted to reptiles but we often forget their upbringing, which stems from being raise in extreme isolation and being raise by someone of a different species all together, who talks and walks like a human.

Now someone mention how it seem more unlikely for Raph to fall for a fox humanoid but (and this is the weird part so bare with me) research has shown that we often fall for people that raise us so a fox that's japanese, knows ninjutsu, and looks similar to a rat wouldn't be so out there for someone like Raph.

I can't say the same for the others but I were to pin the sexual preference it would be.

Don: Humans or creatures that look human.
Leonardo: Human as far we know.
Raph: Women that look like wolves or a lizard with mammaries and hair. Still very close to human.
Mike: ? or will go for anyone really and it will be hilarious if that become part of his personality.

http://members.activecom.net/~cybercat/comic/not%20mine/ninjara.jpg
http://s24.postimg.org/qfcv8jh11/hgfh.jpg
i see where you are coming from...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

"Her?":o

I knew I was surpremly "firm" but...yeah, I'm a guy.

I'd recommend reading "Margarita on the Half-Shell" on FF.net (I think I have it in my favourites on that site), it's about a one-night stand between Don and Irma, but it isnt bogged down by smut or anything and everyone acts in-character, it feels like a Saturday morning episode only the characters have a hangover.

Oops! I'm not sure why, but your "voice" on here came off as a bit more feminine. My bad! (And that's not a bad thing, BTW- I'm usually pretty astute regarding the gender of other posters, but ya kind of threw me off!)

[ZariusTwo]

Oops! I'm not sure why, but your "voice" on here came off as a bit more feminine. My bad! (And that's not a bad thing, BTW- I'm usually pretty astute regarding the gender of other posters, but ya kind of threw me off!)

That's very interesting...must be the almost all-female company I keep, both online and in reality, rubbing off on me slightly, rofl.:)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Lol, it's cool! And don't feel bad, I've had several posters (here and elsewhere) mistake me for a guy, in SPITE of my username being obviously female!

[Overlordofnobodies]

I dont now if this is a joke thread or not but if Donnie and April where to ever have a kid. I say Donnie would likely make it. Aka a test tube baby of some sort or artificial inseminatio. All so Donnie will likely mass with his DNA a bit so the kid look a bit more normal.

With all the thing he have been doing with Ooze of let I will not be surprise if he could do some thing like this.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Nope, not a joke. It's a serious discussion of what would/could actually happen in such a situation.

He'd almost HAVE to do some sort of test-tube artificial insemination, along with tinkering with the DNA just to make it viable. Otherwise, the clash of reptile/human metabolisms and body functions (both turtles and humans each have organs the other lacks) and the difference in reproduction methods would cause it to miscarry for certain. Assuming he could even impregnate anyone to begin with.

As for him trying to make the child look more normal, I'm suddenly reminded of an episode of Star Trek: voyager where Be'lanna and Tom were going to have a baby and she tried to have the Doctor alter the child's DNA to be more human due to her own worries about having been teased for being half Klingon when she was a child. It didn't go well.

[Refractive Reflections]

If we are getting that serious about it, I doubt Donatello or any of the Turtles would even dare to have their own genetic children with any humans or other species. Their normal physiological, mental, and sentient states are already achieving infinitesimal odds and no one more than Donatello would know that. All biological DNA consists of a quaternary form of code, with the nucleosides: adenine, guanine, cytosine, and thymine and from that, is able to form fathomless forms of three-dimensional biological complexity for a sentient being with numerous physiological systems.

There would be many far too many genetic "rejects" (similar to April Derps) before there would be a fully sentient, normally healthy offspring between any the Turtles with a human, if there was any type of test-tube fertilization. In addition, the huge issue of bioethics would be applicable here.

The Turtles' existence is already an unprecedented, bizarre amalgamation of genetics that humans and Utroms would have to fully study since the Turtles are already a unique form of species, in order to scientifically grasp how these Turtles exist. I just don't think any of the Turtles would have the heart to be that cruel to constantly test fertilized embryos (and could they discard them if they weren't optimal? ...Where the issue of bioethics comes to play), just so they could selfishly have their own "genetic" children. In addition, this same heavily-weighted issue would apply to their genetic children since technically their genetic children would be another unique form of species as well.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

My thoughts on this are that any embryos that are not "optimal" (I guess you mean physically acceptable) would probably not survive anyway. Given their unique genetics, any potential offspring would most likely be severely deformed in most cases, and only a very few would prove viable at all. Even those might have physical problems that might cause them to be short-lived or seriously handicapped.

Don would probably test his theories on mutated cells before even considering trying to do any kind of insemination, and I'm sure he wouldn't simply be using them as test subjects. I just don't see him being that callous.

[Prowler]

For some strange reason i dont belive you...
Maybe he's asexual. Not everyone is crazy about sex. :P

[victory_angel]

I don't see the turtles having genetic clones in place of children. I mean that would essentially be playing god, which are levels Donnie may not want to reach.

In all likelihood they are all more likely to adopt or meet up with some unfortunate who was mutated or just rejected by human society and train them in the ninja arts so they have someone to pass their skills too.

[electric_sheep]

Can they just pure some ooze on female turtles and just mate with them?

[Overlordofnobodies]

See as this is not a joke thread.
Then another thing I wish to bring up is maybe the TMNT world(I now it is so post be earth but there is some big diffident) is sort of D&D like. What I mean about that is you can mix all most any race and still get a kid. From thing like humanXdwarf and humanxelf to weird things like humanXgaints even humanxdragons.

I now this is a lot diffident then Tmnt world but this is sort of hard for me to see why not. I dont think it help that I read a lot of DC and Marvel comic when I was little. So if some super hero that was not human had a thing for some normal I never thought about it.

All so with so much ooze and aliens running around in most TMNT worlds. I will be surprise if in 20 or 30 years no one will be surprise of a little kid with green skin and three finger hands and three toe feet.I'm still trying to think why ever one not a little worry about what happen at the end of season 1.

[arkangel]

See as this is not a joke thread.
Then another thing I wish to bring up is maybe the TMNT world(I now it is so post be earth but there is some big diffident) is sort of D&D like. What I mean about that is you can mix all most any race and still get a kid. From thing like humanXdwarf and humanxelf to weird things like humanXgaints even humanxdragons.


I love your D&D analogy, but as an avid tabletop gamer since the early 80s, I feel the need to clarify a point.
You can have half elves, half orcs, hell even demon human, dragon human, or angel human hybrids, but anything a dwarf mates with gives birth to a dwarf.
It also proves a very important point... Most species/races have class, but a human will sleep with anything.

[Refractive Reflections]

Can they just pure some ooze on female turtles and just mate with them?

It could work, but this thread was getting serious :P, yet :ohwell:... I'm sure there's going to be some deeper residing resentment toward the four, original male Turtles upon realizing that these four male Turtles created their sentient awareness and mutant forms, just so they could be primarily used for mating.

[victory_angel]

Can they just pure some ooze on female turtles and just mate with them?

Yes it's possible to dump mutagen on a female turtle. However the original turtles had human DNA be it Hamato Yoshi, the nameless kid who was their original owner, or whoever handled them at the pet shop.

So simply dumping mutagen on a random female turtle could result in a female version of Slash if anything.

It could work, but this thread was getting serious :P, yet :ohwell:... I'm sure there's going to be some deeper residing resentment toward the four, original male Turtles upon realizing that these four male Turtles created their sentient awareness and mutant forms, just so they could be primarily used for mating.

Well it depends. Yes if female turtles were created for the soul purpose of being f*** buddies with the Turtles, that would cause some problems. It's like saying a female has no other reason to exist aside from being a walking baby factory.

Creating female counterparts to the Turtles who may eventually become love interests is another story.

Another problem is that Turtles don't mate for life, so how do we know none of the Turtles won't have a roving eye?

[Lou 500]

Another problem is that Turtles don't mate for life, so how do we know none of the Turtles won't have a roving eye?

Turtles don't bond with their siblings or adopt rats as fathers either.

[electric_sheep]

Yes it's possible to dump mutagen on a female turtle. However the original turtles had human DNA be it Hamato Yoshi, the nameless kid who was their original owner, or whoever handled them at the pet shop.

So simply dumping mutagen on a random female turtle could result in a female version of Slash if anything.



Well it depends. Yes if female turtles were created for the soul purpose of being f*** buddies with the Turtles, that would cause some problems. It's like saying a female has no other reason to exist aside from being a walking baby factory.

Creating female counterparts to the Turtles who may eventually become love interests is another story.

Another problem is that Turtles don't mate for life, so how do we know none of the Turtles won't have a roving eye?

After years of fighting turtles would eventualy realize that they need somebody to carry on their legacy so they would have to...

[Coola Yagami]

I just love how people can't think of the turtles wanting to get some without throwing compatability and babies and blah blah. I assume eventually in a more realistic non-cartoon 'would someone please think of the children' world, the turtles would want to get some... you know... for the sake of getting laid at all. I really doubt any of you were already planning father/motherhood the very first time any of you actually got some.

I can honestly see Raph or someone with some girl of any kind saying 'yeah... how bout we just get it on now... and then let Donnie figure out all the compatability DNA science crap later'.

[Luckyday]

Given they're different species and would probably date outside their kind, I would think they would be more concern with interspecies STDs then getting some pregnant.

[Coola Yagami]

Given they're different species and would probably date outside their kind, I would think they would be more concern with interspecies STDs then getting some pregnant.

Aren't humans the only species with STDs? I never really heard of a cat giving herpes to the neighbor's cat.

[Candy Kappa]

Aren't humans the only species with STDs? I never really heard of a cat giving herpes to the neighbor's cat.

Animals have their share of STD/STI's just as humans have.

[Coola Yagami]

Animals have their share of STD/STI's just as humans have.

This I was not aware of....????

[Luckyday]

Aren't humans the only species with STDs? I never really heard of a cat giving herpes to the neighbor's cat.

What I meant was getting certain diseases like salmonella. Sex isn't impossible but you would have to take certain precautions just like how it was in Mass Effect.
Stuff like taking a shower, taking antibiotics for the human, and of course wearing protection. But of course that under the assumption that the parts fit properly.

[electric_sheep]

Animals have their share of STD/STI's just as humans have.

never touching another animal again, http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Tnod9vtB4xA/hqdefault.jpg

[Candy Kappa]

And yeah, salmonella can be a huge issue. Turtles are carriers without getting sick themselves, that is why you have to wash regularly after handling your pet turtles and don't let children play with them unsupervised.

[Coola Yagami]

I'm pretty sure that based on 'screw it, it's a cartoon' logic, the 'parts would fit' and they'd just have green human-ish junk. It's just weird to think that they have humanoid arms, legs, teeth, hand, feet, whatever but oh no, downstairs they simply MUST be like real turtles.

Still stand if they ever get some, it will be for the sole purpose of getting some. Actually having kids and blah blah would probably come later when they're adult mutant ninja turtles. But c'mon, they're teenagers, if it ever comes down to it, if the comic ever goes down that path (cause the cartoon never will), I'm sure it'll mostly be cause sex feels good, not to preserve the turtle family line or whatever.

Even Mirage Mikey was surprised Seri's eggs were his. He was just getting some, he wasn't planning on being a father.

[Candy Kappa]

Well, cartoon aside, the junk is still stored internally, which could be a save indicator that it is more turtle junk then... Human junk.

Buut. The Nick turtles are made of tardis technology being able to completely hide their legs, arms and head inside their small shells, so it's not far fetched they could do that with human looking junk as well.

[electric_sheep]

Well, cartoon aside, the junk is still stored internally, which could be a save indicator that it is more turtle junk then... Human junk.

Buut. The Nick turtles are made of tardis technology being able to completely hide their legs, arms and head inside their small shells, so it's not far fetched they could do that with human looking junk as well.

what if........ it's human shaped but turtle sized?

[Candy Kappa]

what if........ it's human shaped but turtle sized?

:o

Ouch...

[Coola Yagami]

Once April goes green.... she'll never want another scene....?

Gives new meaning to April calling Donnie 'D' a lot lately. We all know he gives her the D.

[victory_angel]

This I was not aware of....????

Yeah there is such a thing as Feline HIV, among other stuff.

[electric_sheep]

Once April goes green.... she'll never want another scene....?

Gives new meaning to April calling Donnie 'D' a lot lately. We all know he gives her the D.

To far man, to far, this is a serious thread...

[Refractive Reflections]

To add onto Candy Kappa's info about animals with STDs/STIs, if animals are going to exchange bodily fluids with humans. People need to realize that animals have their own type of immunity, which is why people can get the Plague, Brain & Spinal Meningitis, MRSA (antibiotic resistant staph infections), etc.

http://www.mnn.com/health/fitness-well-being/stories/14-diseases-you-can-get-from-your-pets
http://theweek.com/article/index/211279/why-loving-your-dog-too-much-is-dangerous
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2011/12/12/diseases-you-can-get-from-your-pets-plague-mrsa-meningitis/#.U3fPTiifjnc

That's why I never understood why pet owners let their dogs and cats lick their mouths. :sick: They have no clue where that mouth has been.

Edit: Oh... and I guess this article ("Sex with Animals (SWA): Behavioral Characteristics and Possible Association with Penile Cancer. A Multicenter Study") would be relevant also:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/discoblog/2011/12/09/ncbi-rofl-does-bestiality-cause-penile-cancer/#.U3fT0Sifjnc

Conclusion.  SWA is a risk factor for PC and may be associated with venereal diseases. New studies are required in other populations to test other possible nosological links with SWA.

[Netkeeper]

Yes it's possible to dump mutagen on a female turtle. However the original turtles had human DNA be it Hamato Yoshi, the nameless kid who was their original owner, or whoever handled them at the pet shop.
[whispers into the distance

that's not how the mutagen works in continuities where splinter was originally a raaaaaat]

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Actually, it still could be- Splinter himself was Yoshi's pet in those cases, and the turtles still came from a pet shop. so either way, BOTH Splinter and the turtles could still have had trace amounts of human DNA on them from other sources, such as the unnamed kid, or Yoshi himself in Splinter's case.


And the SIZE factor was the main part of my argument against it being possible earlier. Even if it was human shaped, it would likely still be the proportionate size of a turtle's. (Which would make it at least 14-16 inches, if the plastron size is anything to go by....)

[Overlordofnobodies]

what if........ it's human shaped but turtle sized?

After looking in the book of world records the larges human one is 34 cm in length and 16cm in circumference. So trutle most be bigger then that ...... I'm going to to stop there. Some thing I just thought of. Do any one still think Rahzar have one?

P.s. The book of world records is #^%@ up!Why would some people what to be in that book for that thing!?

[electric_sheep]

How big will that be? The larges human one is 34 cm in length and 16cm in circumference.

P.s. The book of world records is #^%@ up!Why would some people what to be in that book for that thing!?

For nick one it would be around 15 inches, for the new movie it would be over 20...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

That record is for an EXTREME, though- and doesn't mention that the record-holder for that PARTICULAR record was (IIRC) a porn star who died of a heart-attack- from getting an erection. Seems he had too much blood going to the wrong location, and it proved fatal..... The average size of a human male (according to Cosmo, which has done several studies of this) is about 6 inches long, and about 1and 1/2 inches around. In other words, about as long as a sharpie pen, or about three times the length of said male's thumb. Think about that.

That estimate for the Nick ones is about right. And if the one for the new movie is even CLOSE to accurate- YIKES!!

[electric_sheep]

That record is for an EXTREME, though- and doesn't mention that the record-holder for that PARTICULAR record was (IIRC) a porn star who died of a heart-attack- from getting an erection. Seems he had too much blood going to the wrong location, and it proved fatal..... The average size of a human male (according to Cosmo, which has done several studies of this) is about 6 inches long, and about 1and 1/2 inches around. In other words, about as long as a sharpie pen, or about three times the length of said male's thumb. Think about that.

That estimate for the Nick ones is about right. And if the one for the new movie is even CLOSE to accurate- YIKES!!

"In many species, the length of the phallus can extend to half the length of the entire animal"
That sounds about right.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Exactly. (Although most of the descriptions I've read say plastron, which is only slightly shorter than the full length of the turtle.)

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

When you think about it, the problem with the Turtles having kids is that who could possibly raise them?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I'm surprised this thread is still active.

[Metalwolf]

So trutle most be bigger then that ...... I'm going to to stop there. Some thing I just thought of. Do any one still think Rahzar have one?

Turtles only have it that long because he's sitting on the top of her shell, it has to be able to reach all of the way to her cloaca. No way does it fit all inside. She'd have to have an extra long cloaca inside of her that went to her midsection if that happened.

As for Razzie, he looks junkless. He probably has to sit like a woman when he goes.

[Candy Kappa]

I'm surprised this thread is still active.

Well. It is a more civil topic then anything gong on the movie section :lol:

[DarkLightDragon]

Well. It is a more civil topic then anything gong on the movie section :lol:


And that honestly makes it all the more sadder.:lol:

[Coola Yagami]

Turtles only have it that long because he's sitting on the top of her shell, it has to be able to reach all of the way to her cloaca. No way does it fit all inside. She'd have to have an extra long cloaca inside of her that went to her midsection if that happened.

As for Razzie, he looks junkless. He probably has to sit like a woman when he goes.

I kinda think since the turtles are more humanoid now, their junk is designed for other humanoids. Won't need that extra length.

Poor Rahzar but I think you're right. Then again poor Fishface. It reminds me of the movie version of the Abomination.... all that power... in exchange for your junk.

To recieve the ultimate power, thou must abandon your manhood. There's gotta be some kind of irony in there somewhere.

[CyberCubed]

The Turtles don't have humanoid organs.

[Coola Yagami]

The Turtles don't have humanoid organs.

You never know. They sure as hell are humanoid on the outside.

[CyberCubed]

You never know. They sure as hell are humanoid on the outside.

But they don't grow anything. I can see Bebop and Rocksteady still having their reproductive organs as they were humans and their whole bottom torso looks human, but not the Turtles.

[Coola Yagami]

But they don't grow anything. I can see Bebop and Rocksteady still having their reproductive organs as they were humans and their whole bottom torso looks human, but not the Turtles.

I usually think they don't grow anything cause it's a kid's show and we don't need to see that. Same reason the giant apes in DBZ somehow don't have their junk swinging around, or the Hulk somehow keeps just enough of his pants on to cover the goods. Maybe it only pops out when they go to the bathroom? I don't know.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Well. It is a more civil topic then anything gong on the movie section :lol:

That's true. Better to have an awkward and weird topic open than sensible topics about the new movie:P:trazz:

[Metalwolf]

I kinda think since the turtles are more humanoid now, their junk is designed for other humanoids. Won't need that extra length.

Poor Rahzar but I think you're right. Then again poor Fishface. It reminds me of the movie version of the Abomination.... all that power... in exchange for your junk.

To recieve the ultimate power, thou must abandon your manhood. There's gotta be some kind of irony in there somewhere.True, they likely have a man sized doodle, but they can retract it like a normal turtle. Handily avoids 'crotch shot' you sometimes get in fights.

Although with Abomination, he might be lucky in the sense that he doesn't have the problem like the Hulk does, those tight purple pants must be squeezing his junk something fierce. No wonder the Hulk's constantly mad.

I think Fishface had his stuff go inside, at least in the manner that fish do, so his junk is not gone, but hidden. He still gets the normal male urges, but he has no way to relieve them. He's frustrated.

But yeah, you're right about the ultimate power thing. Even Bradford's Dogpound form implied he still had his junk from the pants. He might have hated his Dogpound form, but he could at least stand up to pee.

They don't show anything on the monkeys because they are not allowed to depict penises in Japan. That is likely why they love using tentacles in hentai...

[CyberCubed]

Real life turtles don't have a penis. Neither do fish.

[Coola Yagami]

True, they likely have a man sized doodle, but they can retract it like a normal turtle. Handily avoids 'crotch shot' you sometimes get in fights.

Although with Abomination, he might be lucky in the sense that he doesn't have the problem like the Hulk does, those tight purple pants must be squeezing his junk something fierce. No wonder the Hulk's constantly mad.

I think Fishface had his stuff go inside, at least in the manner that fish do, so his junk is not gone, but hidden. He still gets the normal male urges, but he has no way to relieve them. He's frustrated.

But yeah, you're right about the ultimate power thing. Even Bradford's Dogpound form implied he still had his junk from the pants. He might have hated his Dogpound form, but he could at least stand up to pee.

They don't show anything on the monkeys because they are not allowed to depict penises in Japan. That is likely why they love using tentacles in hentai...

It's funny how first Fishface wanted to be human.... so he can love a woman again.. Then later he wishes for a female fish mutant. Poor guy has resigned himself and figured he just doesn't care anymore as long as he gets laid.

[electric_sheep]

It's funny how first Fishface wanted to be human.... so he can love a woman again.. Then later he wishes for a female fish mutant. Poor guy has resigned himself and figured he just doesn't care anymore as long as he gets laid.

Well, they call Dogpound Dogpound for a reason...

[Coola Yagami]

well, they call dogpound dogpound for a reason...

goodnight everybody!!!!

[CyberCubed]

goodnight everybody!!!!

Coola you're such a teenager. I know you're in you late 20's but you remind me of a teen who laughs at sex jokes.

[Coola Yagami]

Coola you're such a teenager. I know you're in you late 20's but you remind me of a teen who laughs at sex jokes.

That's cause they never stop being funny.... even at my age. XD

[Candy Kappa]

Real life turtles don't have a penis.

Yes they do. :roll:

[CyberCubed]

I think you've been on deviantart too long. Real life animals do not have humanoid reproductive organs.

[Candy Kappa]

I think you've been on deviantart too long. Real life animals do not have humanoid reproductive organs.

A penis is not a human thing only, jeez!

The word penis is used for all creatures that have one.

[Refractive Reflections]

After looking in the book of world records the larges human one is 34 cm in length and 16cm in circumference. So trutle most be bigger then that ...... I'm going to to stop there. Some thing I just thought of. Do any one still think Rahzar have one?

P.s. The book of world records is #^%@ up!Why would some people what to be in that book for that thing!?
For nick one it would be around 15 inches, for the new movie it would be over 20...
"In many species, the length of the phallus can extend to half the length of the entire animal"
That sounds about right.

It. all. makes. SENSE. now. :lol: No wonder there a few female artists who decide to create such sexually explicit fanart/fanfiction about the Turtles, if you add it up with that "large" equipment, their superb fighting abilities, and adonis-like bodies, looks like us human males can never measure up. :lol::lol::lol: No wonder Mikey said that he loves being a Turtle, how could the ladies resist him? :lol::lol::lol:

Edit: ...And also getting to walk more or less naked in public (where it can show off his built body), and a high metabolism to be able to eat a LOT of pizza... Can't see much for Mikey to complain about there. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

it. All. Makes. Sense. Now. :lol: No wonder there a few female artists who decide to create such sexually explicit fanart/fanfiction about the turtles, if you add it up with that "large" equipment, their superb fighting abilities, and adonis-like bodies, looks like us human males can never measure up. :lol::lol::lol: No wonder mikey said that he loves being a turtle, how could the ladies resist him? :lol::lol::lol:

rofl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NoName999]

Real life turtles don't have a penis.

I did a quick search on Google....

They do...

...


https://aliceatwonderland.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/kitty-brain-bleach.jpg?w=300&h=225

[Shark_Blade]

Real life turtles don't have a penis. Neither do fish....

You need to brush up on your animal facts fast, cause you're flopping hard.

[CyberCubed]

I don't look up animal reproductive organs and I have no desire to type "turtle penises" on google to see them myself.

What's next, you're going to say dogs and cats have a penis? Please.

[Coola Yagami]

I don't look up animal reproductive organs and I have no desire to type "turtle penises" on google to see them myself.

What's next, you're going to say dogs and cats have a penis? Please.

...................you can't be that stupid.... Please, please, PLEASE let that be a sarcastic remark....

[electric_sheep]

I don't look up animal reproductive organs and I have no desire to type "turtle penises" on google to see them myself.

What's next, you're going to say dogs and cats have a penis? Please.

Who told you that? it's comon knowledge that cats and dogs came from mars. We better tone it down a little with turtle dick or this thread is dead...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

...................you can't be that stupid.... Please, please, PLEASE let that be a sarcastic remark....

No kidding! Yes, Cubed- ALL animals have one! It may not LOOK like ours, or even be visible, but it IS there. Male spiders even have their testes in the palps- which are those two small "legs" next to their mouths! Both palps act as a sort of "mini penis" that extends into the female's reproductive tract.

So, yes, ALL male creatures have one, even though many of them are far different than ours.

[CyberCubed]

I've owned a male cat for years and have never seen one.

[Coola Yagami]

I've owned a male cat for years and have never seen one.How do you suppose your cat pees then? From it's mouth?

[CyberCubed]

How do you suppose your cat pees then? From it's mouth?

A little hole on its underside.

[electric_sheep]

Man wants to belive that animals aren't as filthy as we are, stop ruining his fantasies...

[Coola Yagami]

He can't be that dumb. I know when they neuter pets they nip the balls, but they don't go all out and snip off their dicks too. Cyber probably had a female cat and never knew it.

[Metalwolf]

He can't be that dumb. I know when they neuter pets they nip the balls, but they don't go all out and snip off their dicks too. Cyber probably had a female cat and never knew it.Yeah. And when male cats bathe themselves, they often extend their dong out to clean it. I had a male cat and he did this, maybe Cubee never saw a male animal before? :ohwell:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Either that, or he never realized what/where that "little hole" was. Cyber, I'm not sure if you really are that uneducated in regards to basic biology, or if this is some kind of crude joke. Seriously- do a search on animal reproduction, and then tell us what you find. The whole reason for having separate genders is that each one has the organs for its part in reproduction- in other words, boys of any species have some type of willy, and the girls all have some form of uterus. (or whatever other term applies.)

(Also, cats keep it "sheathed" mostly inside, with just a small portion outside the body, protected by a fur-covered pouch. The actual organ only comes out when they urinate or are, erm, "excited".)

[electric_sheep]

Either that, or he never realized what/where that "little hole" was. Cyber, I'm not sure if you really are that uneducated in regards to basic biology, or if this is some kind of crude joke. Seriously- do a search on animal reproduction, and then tell us what you find. The whole reason for having separate genders is that each one has the organs for its part in reproduction- in other words, boys of any species have some type of willy, and the girls all have some form of uterus. (or whatever other term applies.)

(Also, cats keep it "sheathed" mostly inside, with just a small portion outside the body, protected by a fur-covered pouch. The actual organ only comes out when they urinate or are, erm, "excited".)

We really got the short end on the look side of the biology stick, human's are f**ing disgusting naked...

[plastroncafe]

Hey hey hey now, there's no need for body shaming. We're just primates with a really bad case of pattern baldness.

But yeah, a great deal of male animals have a penis of some sort.
Not all though.

[Raven]

I'm pretty sure Cubed is pulling a fast one on you all.

[pennydreadful]

I'm pretty sure Cubed is pulling a fast one on you all.

Agreed; Cubed is yanking your chain. I've got to admit, I do enjoy his posts in a perverse kind of way - it's like some weird performance art where, no matter how patient you are, he inevitably manages to push everyone's buttons.:lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Hey hey hey now, there's no need for body shaming. We're just primates with a really bad case of pattern baldness.

But yeah, a great deal of male animals have a penis of some sort.
Not all though.

Read my last two posts, PC. Even worms have SOME form of one! (And that's even stranger, because they have the parts of BOTH. They are hermaphrodites....) So do fish- it's just not extended in most species. They fertilize the eggs from internally positioned organs. But some species DO extend part of it outside the body during mating. (Sticklebacks, cichlids, and a few others I can't recall ATM.)

The thing is, most species keep it hidden unless in use. It isn't always visible, but the parts are there. Even if it's simply a tube that sperm exits from, as in most amphibians. It's primarily visible mostly in mammals, however. And in birds, when mating. Ducks in particular have some truly bizarre ones.... (Don't ask me how I know this, it was a really disturbing discovery.... :teek: :tconfuse: )

[plastroncafe]

Yes, I'm well aware, but what you said doesn't invalidate what I've said.

[Cure]

Dick jokes.

[electric_sheep]

Read my last two posts, PC. Even worms have SOME form of one! (And that's even stranger, because they have the parts of BOTH. They are hermaphrodites....) So do fish- it's just not extended in most species. They fertilize the eggs from internally positioned organs. But some species DO extend part of it outside the body during mating. (Sticklebacks, cichlids, and a few others I can't recall ATM.)

The thing is, most species keep it hidden unless in use. It isn't always visible, but the parts are there. Even if it's simply a tube that sperm exits from, as in most amphibians. It's primarily visible mostly in mammals, however. And in birds, when mating. Ducks in particular have some truly bizarre ones.... (Don't ask me how I know this, it was a really disturbing discovery.... :teek: :tconfuse: )

I learned that about the ducks here _1v_EcjeIkg
There's one about ninja turtles to. aqW5upASa-8

[Casey]

I learned that about the ducks here _1v_EcjeIkg
There's one about ninja turtles to. aqW5upASa-8

This is what I kept thinking of when reading this.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yes, I'm well aware, but what you said doesn't invalidate what I've said.

Can you think of ANY animal that does not have one of some form or another? Even hermaphroditic creatures, or those that spontaneously change sex, still will. Honestly, I don't know of a single animal species that the male doesn't have some kind of seminal delivery organ (ie, a penis or whatever other term it might be called depending on the species in question). Even insects have a tube that comes out and is inserted to fertilize the female. So what animals are you referring to? It may not always be called such, but is still pretty much the same thing.


Edit: Can someone link those? They don't show up on my screen.

[electric_sheep]

Can you think of ANY animal that does not have one of some form or another? Even hermaphroditic creatures, or those that spontaneously change sex, still will. Honestly, I don't know of a single animal species that the male doesn't have some kind of seminal delivery organ (ie, a penis or whatever other term it might be called depending on the species in question). Even insects have a tube that comes out and is inserted to fertilize the female. So what animals are you referring to? It may not always be called such, but is still pretty much the same thing.


Edit: Can someone link those? They don't show up on my screen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqW5upASa-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqW5upASa-8&list=RDaqW5upASa-8#t=1

[Candy Kappa]

Can you think of ANY animal that does not have one of some form or another? Even hermaphroditic creatures, or those that spontaneously change sex, still will. Honestly, I don't know of a single animal species that the male doesn't have some kind of seminal delivery organ (ie, a penis or whatever other term it might be called depending on the species in question). Even insects have a tube that comes out and is inserted to fertilize the female. So what animals are you referring to? It may not always be called such, but is still pretty much the same thing.


Edit: Can someone link those? They don't show up on my screen.

Well, only 3% of bird species possess a penis. And most fish don't have a penis, as they usually fertilize eggs already laid. Fish that fertilize eggs internally have a Gonopodium, which can be referred as a penis in layman terms.

[Luckyday]

This fan fic shed light on how unlikely it would be for them feel attract to a human or at least for the ones in 2k3 series.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8535728/1/Chemical-Equations

[MsMarvelDuckie]

@ Candy Kappa:

As far as I'm aware, ALL male birds have some sort of "penis", even though most are very different from a mammalian one. Ducks especially are a bit bizarre in configuration, but still have an organ used for insemination, which is essentially all a "penis" is, no matter the species. Anatomically, ALL male animals have a similar set of reproductive organs- testes, seminal tubes, and "delivery" organ. (And yes, even fish have an organ that often protrudes slightly during fertilization. I know because I spent YEARS trying to breed bettas as well as several species of cichlids, mollies, guppies, swordtails, gouramis, angelfish, and even tetras.) On the rare occasions I was able to watch any of them actually mating, the males had a tiny tube that jutted slightly from their lower abdomen- it's usually white. This is what would be considered the "penis" on a mammal. Isn't used QUITE the same way, but it's still there, and serves the same function!


Also, that story link was quite interesting, and perhaps a bit enlightening on a purely scientific and conjectural basis. I kind of feel sorry for those poor guys. Guess that story in Mirage about Mikey possibly being a daddy isn't true.

[Shark_Blade]

*Reads title*

Like Nick's gonna give a flying **** about that. :lol: They're adding Renet as Mikey's lover next!

[Luckyday]

Also, that story link was quite interesting, and perhaps a bit enlightening on a purely scientific and conjectural basis. I kind of feel sorry for those poor guys. Guess that story in Mirage about Mikey possibly being a daddy isn't true.

Well it's not they can never feel arousal, it's just that they don't have same erroneous zones like we do so of course they're not ( as Don put it) "biologically wired to kissing".

As far I know, both turtles and humans are into neck biting.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Which could- in theory, at least- make things even more fun!! Ha, I kid. Though the notion of Mikey nibbling Angel's neck (or April, Irma, Kala, or whomever) is rather amusing..... However, it WOULD pose certain problems when nibbling OTHER areas.... :teek::trazz::twink::tlol:

[Luckyday]

Which could- in theory, at least- make things even more fun!! Ha, I kid. Though the notion of Mikey nibbling Angel's neck (or April, Irma, Kala, or whomever) is rather amusing..... However, it WOULD pose certain problems when nibbling OTHER areas.... :teek::trazz::twink::tlol:

Well they do have......you know what? Just use your imagination.http://s2.postimage.org/mujtr2kl1/Tg93_PTs.gif

[Darthknuxward]

This thread...
*twitch*

[IndigoErth]

Laird noted that "contrary to what some TMNT fans might fantasize, Turtles don't mate/have love affairs with humans."

http://i.imgur.com/WwXwHdM.gif
Oh really? Tell us more about how none of the writers appear to disagree.

[Luckyday]

Not to be off to be topic but having long claws is a part of turtles' sexual dimorphism? Yes?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I'd assume that since they've never had claws in any of the media, they keep them trimmed, or simply don't grow them. Which would be a blessing for any females they were with!! (Yee-ouch!! :teek :twink::tconfuse::tlol:)

[Luckyday]

I'd assume that since they've never had claws in any of the media, they keep them trimmed, or simply don't grow them. Which would be a blessing for any females they were with!! (Yee-ouch!! :teek :twink::tconfuse::tlol:)

Unless the female is another turtle ,otherwise, they look androgynous as David Bowie.

[IndigoErth]

Unless the female is another turtle ,otherwise, they look androgynous as David Bowie.
But they usually have human nails? So it could be worse I guess, they could be painting them. :D

(Granted this is 2014 and my brother-in-law currently has alternating orange and black toenails for Halloween. The Turtles could sport their own colors well in this day and age. lol)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Honestly, I could only see Mikey doing that- Raph's too "macho", Leo wouldn't bother, and Donnie- well, he might, but I just don't see him having any interest in doing so.

[AnarkyLantern]

There is this essay called "Men of Steel, Women of Kleenex" that goes into the difficulties of Superman being with Lois Lane. The science isn't very encouraging on cross species relationships, but that doesn't take into account what a fictional creature represents. Not being able to have kids characterizes Goliath and Elisa's relationship in a way that doesn't with Lois and Clark. In some continuities, they had children even, which tells me that Superman simply represents a human from a different culture.

[Coola Yagami]

That essay kinda doesn't apply since it goes more into Superman's super strength and not so much that he's alien. The turtles (and Goliath) don't have super strength and wouldn't bash the girls to bits upon coutis.

[Candy Kappa]

During concept drawing, the Turtles was apparently supposed to have claws, retractable claws, but it never got out of the concept phase. But it does look like that the turtles usually lack claws/nails in Mirage, and it seems like they also don't have nails in FW, 2k3, Nick and the Imagi movie.

In the live-action movies they have nails, and I'm sure some artists depict them with nails as well.

And for the neck biting part, that's usually a one-way street for Terrapins/Sliders, as a way for the male to forcefully making the female compliant, if the display of manly long nails isn't good enough, he will be using more direct tactics and bit the female in the neck, or throat and soemtimes in the hind legs where she can't bite back, to display dominance. It's no sexy foreplay as their bit tears through the females skin.

[Warhorse]

During concept drawing, the Turtles was apparently supposed to have claws, retractable claws, but it never got out of the concept phase. But it does look like that the turtles usually lack claws/nails in Mirage, and it seems like they also don't have nails in FW, 2k3, Nick and the Imagi movie.

In the live-action movies they have nails, and I'm sure some artists depict them with nails as well.

And for the neck biting part, that's usually a one-way street for Terrapins/Sliders, as a way for the male to forcefully making the female compliant, if the display of manly long nails isn't good enough, he will be using more direct tactics and bit the female in the neck, or throat and soemtimes in the hind legs where she can't bite back, to display dominance. It's no sexy foreplay as their bit tears through the females skin.

Eh, don't have to be a non human to take part in the male biting on the chick during, uh, the birds and the bees moments. But it's often done on the ear lobe, not the neck.

[Luckyday]

During concept drawing, the Turtles was apparently supposed to have claws, retractable claws, but it never got out of the concept phase. But it does look like that the turtles usually lack claws/nails in Mirage, and it seems like they also don't have nails in FW, 2k3, Nick and the Imagi movie.

In the live-action movies they have nails, and I'm sure some artists depict them with nails as well.

And for the neck biting part, that's usually a one-way street for Terrapins/Sliders, as a way for the male to forcefully making the female compliant, if the display of manly long nails isn't good enough, he will be using more direct tactics and bit the female in the neck, or throat and soemtimes in the hind legs where she can't bite back, to display dominance. It's no sexy foreplay as their bit tears through the females skin.

What about nuzzling? Nuzzling seem pretty tame to a kiss but turtles do churr and turtles can sense vibrations in a way that we can't so maybe churring while nuzzle feel arousing for them?

[Coola Yagami]

You do realize none of these nature facts apply because the turtles are way more human now than turtles, right? They're basically green guys with shells. The only thing odd about their behavior is how they act based on being sheltered in the sewers for 15 years.

[Luckyday]

You do realize none of these nature facts apply because the turtles are way more human now than turtles, right? They're basically green guys with shells. The only thing odd about their behavior is how they act based on being sheltered in the sewers for 15 years.

But they're more fascinating when we do because then they're a blend of human and animal traits.http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/omges1.png

[IndigoErth]

Frigging goes and bites some girl. "WTF??"
"Oh.. uh... I'm sorry, I don't know what came over me. So... you don't like it rough then?"

:lol:

But what would be worse, a ridged beak normal turtles deal with with each other, or, for these guys, having a mouth full of teeth.



To do list:
Superman NOOO

:P;)

[Candy Kappa]

Eh, don't have to be a non human to take part in the male biting on the chick during, uh, the birds and the bees moments. But it's often done on the ear lobe, not the neck.

true, but when humans do it, it's usually in an affections manner. When (real life) turtles do it, it's not for affection or being kinky. It's straight up abuse.

At least what I've seen with Sliders. Although personal experience, Yellow-bellied Sliders are hardcore on neck/throat biting, while Red-Eared Sliders goes for the feet. I guess that's because Red females have a significant larger head and beak, and can easily bite back.


What about nuzzling? Nuzzling seem pretty tame to a kiss but turtles do churr and turtles can sense vibrations in a way that we can't so maybe churring while nuzzle feel arousing for them?

Nuzzling sounds pretty cute, but I wonder if they would try to emulate human (western) behavior of showing affection, ala "I saw it on TV once"

You do realize none of these nature facts apply because the turtles are way more human now than turtles, right? They're basically green guys with shells. The only thing odd about their behavior is how they act based on being sheltered in the sewers for 15 years.

But, they are still Turtles, and it makes it more interesting to add Chelonian quirks to the Turtles, like hibernation cycle done in Soul's Winter.

[Coola Yagami]

true, but when humans do it, it's usually in an affections manner. When (real life) turtles do it, it's not for affection or being kinky. It's straight up abuse.

At least what I've seen with Sliders. Although personal experience, Yellow-bellied Sliders are hardcore on neck/throat biting, while Red-Eared Sliders goes for the feet. I guess that's because Red females have a significant larger head and beak, and can easily bite back.




Nuzzling sounds pretty cute, but I wonder if they would try to emulate human (western) behavior of showing affection, ala "I saw it on TV once"



But, they are still Turtles, and it makes it more interesting to add Chelonian quirks to the Turtles, like hibernation cycle done in Soul's Winter.

True, but that's all headcanon and fanfic stuff. In the actual series, they're pretty much human except in appearance.

[Warhorse]

But, they are still Turtles, and it makes it more interesting to add Chelonian quirks to the Turtles, like hibernation cycle done in Soul's Winter.

Has there ever been an incident when one of the Turtles thought another regular turtle looked attractive somehow? Or did they view regular animals like we do?

True, but that's all headcanon and fanfic stuff. In the actual series, they're pretty much human except in appearance.

Eh, well it depends on what medium you are watching. In the comics, it made the Turtles look like Wolvering, in that they can heal themselves from most damage (just much slower) but then we would have 2k3 showing Leo healing in bed, but then the 1990 movie and 2012 show, shows them healing them like you would heal a normal turtle. But then, they still can function like a human in cold weather.

[Candy Kappa]

Has there ever been an incident when one of the Turtles thought another regular turtle looked attractive somehow? Or did they view regular animals like we do?

Don't think I've ever seen anything where the Turtles are being attracted to normal turtles. Only humanoid turtles.

There is that pin-up with Donnie who have found a Red-Eared Slider, and says he used to be a RES like him. So I guess they see other turtles as kin, but also as "non-sentient" in the ame regard as the Ninja Turtles and other Humanoids

[Warhorse]

Don't think I've ever seen anything where the Turtles are being attracted to normal turtles. Only humanoid turtles.

There is that pin-up with Donnie who have found a Red-Eared Slider, and says he used to be a RES like him. So I guess they see other turtles as kin, but also as "non-sentient" in the ame regard as the Ninja Turtles and other Humanoids

Yeah, can't take posters and pin ups to mean anything. When growing up, I had pin ups and posters of guys I crushed on (Christian Slater) girls I idolized (Nancy Kerrigan) and of stuff I liked (horses)

[Luckyday]

Has there ever been an incident when one of the Turtles thought another regular turtle looked attractive somehow? Or did they view regular animals like we do?

I not sure but in the mirage...April once ask one of the turtles on her new hair style and one of them said "You look good for a human...I guess?":ohwell:

I really don't how they would view regular turtles. Raph seems to talk Spike like it's a person but what pet owner doesn't talk to his/her pet like that. :lol:

I think they consider be separate animals from themselves but reserved a level of interest and respect that they don't give to other animals. They can't talk to them (I am sure that they would if they could) but they have quiet understanding or least some of them feel like that they do.

One thing that always bother me on a personal level is in mating seasons fics, the turtles always portrayed kind of rapey and OOC.

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah, can't take posters and pin ups to mean anything. When growing up, I had pin ups and posters of guys I crushed on (Christian Slater) girls I idolized (Nancy Kerrigan) and of stuff I liked (horses)

Nah, not that kind of pin-up. More like a 1 panel/page comic, as a transition between Tales stories.

Donnie is standing in water holding a RES and talks to it.

http://i.imgur.com/dRapWlK.jpg

[IndigoErth]

Has there ever been an incident when one of the Turtles thought another regular turtle looked attractive somehow? Or did they view regular animals like we do?
What little I've seen that normal turtles are involved, I've gotten the sense they tend to look at regular turtles about the way many people might see lower primates that are closest to us. Kind of the same scenario in a way.

[Coola Yagami]

What little I've seen that normal turtles are involved, I've gotten the sense they tend to look at regular turtles about the way many people might see lower primates that are closest to us. Kind of the same scenario in a way.

From what I can tell they either show respect to them or have a 'I was once one of you guys' moment, but it never goes beyond that.

[IndigoErth]

From what I can tell they either show respect to them or have a 'I was once one of you guys' moment, but it never goes beyond that.
Sounds like a good and proper way for them to view it.:)


I think it probably says a lot about TMNT that it would likely seem a lot more inappropriate for them to be attracted to a regular turtle than it is for them to be attracted to a human. Might look a bit turtley, but that human side is awfully prominent.;)

[Coola Yagami]

Sounds like a good and proper way for them to view it.:)


I think it probably says a lot about TMNT that it would likely seem a lot more inappropriate for them to be attracted to a regular turtle than it is for them to be attracted to a human. Might look a bit turtley, but that human side is awfully prominent.;)

The thing is, at their stage, they're just more human than turtle, hence the 'oh yeah, I was one of you guys before' moment if they ever encounter a real turtle. For them, regular turtles are kinda like just plain animals like they are to us, so it would also be weird if they found attraction to them. The world is still full of human females, and they are straight males. Before the truckload of potential female mutants come into the picture, it makes sense for at least some of them to find some sort of attraction towards the human female.

[PangolinFeets]

Don't think I've ever seen anything where the Turtles are being attracted to normal turtles. Only humanoid turtles.

There is that pin-up with Donnie who have found a Red-Eared Slider, and says he used to be a RES like him. So I guess they see other turtles as kin, but also as "non-sentient" in the ame regard as the Ninja Turtles and other Humanoids

I always assumed they look at typical turtles the same way we look at Chimps: Admiration, but obvious distance. I suppose its a little different because they originally were regular turtles, but they have human-matched levels of intelligence and appreciations.


What little I've seen that normal turtles are involved, I've gotten the sense they tend to look at regular turtles about the way many people might see lower primates that are closest to us. Kind of the same scenario in a way.

Ha ha, just realized you said basically the same thing.

[Luckyday]

The thing is, at their stage, they're just more human than turtle, hence the 'oh yeah, I was one of you guys before' moment if they ever encounter a real turtle. For them, regular turtles are kinda like just plain animals like they are to us, so it would also be weird if they found attraction to them. The world is still full of human females, and they are straight males. Before the truckload of potential female mutants come into the picture, it makes sense for at least some of them to find some sort of attraction towards the human female.

Here the thing though, if one female turtle mutant ever enters the picture, would they even find her attractive? They may be so use to our standard of beauty and sexual dimorphism that they might mistake her as a boy.

[IndigoErth]

I always assumed they look at typical turtles the same way we look at Chimps: Admiration, but obvious distance. I suppose its a little different because they originally were regular turtles, but they have human-matched levels of intelligence and appreciations.


Ha ha, just realized you said basically the same thing.
:D

Yeah, though they have knowledge of it, that whole concept must feel a little weirdly abstract to them and removed from the event if they by chance have zero memory of it. o.O


Here the thing though, if one female turtle mutant ever enters the picture, would they even find her attractive? They may be so use to our standard of beauty and sexual dimorphism that they might mistake her as a boy.
Assuming she's just as human-like as they are, they're smart enough that hopefully voice and body language would be able to clue them in. And then a name clears up any mystery. (Of course, she could have a gender neutral name and continue to confuse them. lol)

Would be interesting to see how that would play out though. Since she'd naturally have some familiarity in looks and sometimes people are drawn to individuals who are reminiscent of their family, I bet maybe at least one of them would end up crushing on her. (As long as it's not a Next Mutation scenario. Lord boys, control yourselves. :roll:)

[MikLeo]

If its done right I hope to it. its just a cartoon, so why not?!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You do realize none of these nature facts apply because the turtles are way more human now than turtles, right? They're basically green guys with shells. The only thing odd about their behavior is how they act based on being sheltered in the sewers for 15 years.


Not exactly. They still tuck their heads in, after all, and that's DEFINITELY a turtle trait. I'm sure they have others, too.


true, but when humans do it, it's usually in an affections manner. When (real life) turtles do it, it's not for affection or being kinky. It's straight up abuse.

At least what I've seen with Sliders. Although personal experience, Yellow-bellied Sliders are hardcore on neck/throat biting, while Red-Eared Sliders goes for the feet. I guess that's because Red females have a significant larger head and beak, and can easily bite back.

But, they are still Turtles, and it makes it more interesting to add Chelonian quirks to the Turtles, like hibernation cycle done in Soul's Winter.


I wouldn't call it abuse, per se. Cats do the same thing, but the thing one MUST realize is that if the female was truly not compliant, she could simply knock him off her back and swim/crawl away. It's not like they can't find ways to get away from unwanted amorous attention.

And that hibernation thing seems kind of tacked on, to me. Since they can eat human food, and obviously eat on a human-like metabolism cycle, they would NOT be able to hibernate, because they would STARVE!


Has there ever been an incident when one of the Turtles thought another regular turtle looked attractive somehow? Or did they view regular animals like we do?

Eh, well it depends on what medium you are watching. In the comics, it made the Turtles look like Wolverine, in that they can heal themselves from most damage (just much slower) but then we would have 2k3 showing Leo healing in bed, but then the 1990 movie and 2012 show, shows them healing them like you would heal a normal turtle. But then, they still can function like a human in cold weather.


Not sure about in canon, but I have a fic I've been playing with where Donnie gets too "close" emotionally to a sea turtle he was studying, and develops an attraction/feelings for her. So....


And you hit the nail on the head about functioning in winter. They've never hibernated in any other version but Mirage, so I'm guessing they CAN'T. Some animals simply aren't equipped with the proper metabolism mechanism for that, and humans are one of them. That may actually be a weakness they have- having the natural inclination to want to hibernate in cold weather, but not having the ability to store fat in order to survive during said hibernation!


One thing that always bother me on a personal level is in mating seasons fics, the turtles always portrayed kind of rapey and OOC.


Then you might like my take- they get super-aggressive (with each other) and "easily excited", but otherwise normal. The fun part is when April or any other female is in the vicinity- they all get REAL friendly, but realize they can't do anything about it- talk about frustration, LOL!!

[Coola Yagami]

:D

Yeah, though they have knowledge of it, that whole concept must feel a little weirdly abstract to them and removed from the event if they by chance have zero memory of it. o.O



Assuming she's just as human-like as they are, they're smart enough that hopefully voice and body language would be able to clue them in. And then a name clears up any mystery. (Of course, she could have a gender neutral name and continue to confuse them. lol)

Would be interesting to see how that would play out though. Since she'd naturally have some familiarity in looks and sometimes people are drawn to individuals who are reminiscent of their family, I bet maybe at least one of them would end up crushing on her. (As long as it's not a Next Mutation scenario. Lord boys, control yourselves. :roll:)

One thing I realized though, other than NOT HAVING BOOBS since reptiles don't have them.... shouldn't female turtles have an otherwise female figure though? I would think a female mutant turtle would still have a smaller overall slender frame to be as feminine, as the wider, bulkier muscular turtles have masculine bodies. I mean just look at how big and ripped they were in 2K3. There's really no reason a female mutant would adopt that manly frame.

[Luckyday]

Then you might like my take- they get super-aggressive (with each other) and "easily excited", but otherwise normal. The fun part is when April or any other female is in the vicinity- they all get REAL friendly, but realize they can't do anything about it- talk about frustration, LOL!!

Well they do have opposable thumbs; don't they?http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/emotawesomepm9.gif


One thing I realized though, other than NOT HAVING BOOBS since reptiles don't have them.... shouldn't female turtles have an otherwise female figure though? I would think a female mutant turtle would still have a smaller overall slender frame to be as feminine, as the wider, bulkier muscular turtles have masculine bodies. I mean just look at how big and ripped they were in 2K3. There's really no reason a female mutant would adopt that manly frame.

Maybe in 2k3 but not so much in others. Some females would be bigger, bulkier, and probaby be a lot less colorful. All Female turtles in generally would have noticeable rounder shells and shorter claws.

[pennydreadful]

One thing I realized though, other than NOT HAVING BOOBS since reptiles don't have them.... shouldn't female turtles have an otherwise female figure though? I would think a female mutant turtle would still have a smaller overall slender frame to be as feminine, as the wider, bulkier muscular turtles have masculine bodies. I mean just look at how big and ripped they were in 2K3. There's really no reason a female mutant would adopt that manly frame.

Depends; sexual dimorphism can vary depending on animal species. I could very well be wrong so I hope one of our resident turtle experts corrects me if I am, but based on my (admittedly extremely limited) knowledge of turtles, I thought male RES's were generally smaller than the females? I remember reading that in animals other than mammals and birds, the females are usually bigger (I'm of the understanding that females having a larger body size allows them to lay more eggs).

If I got anything wrong there, someone please set my facts straight! :)

So if we had female mutants of insect, amphibian or reptilian varieties, I guess it'd be up in the air as to whether they'd be bigger than the males or if the human DNA would switch it around. I kind of like the idea of them being (at least) similar size and build, myself.

[Candy Kappa]

I wouldn't call it abuse, per se. Cats do the same thing, but the thing one MUST realize is that if the female was truly not compliant, she could simply knock him off her back and swim/crawl away. It's not like they can't find ways to get away from unwanted amorous attention.

I'd call it abuse, especially in my pets case. As my Yellow-Bellied female is terrified of the male half her size. When he bites, he lunges as fast as he would attacking prey, and he clamps up hard, breaking skin and she panics, and frantically swim around to knock him off. To separate them I have to take them out of the tank, into the shower and hose the male with cold water.

She even tenses up, when she basks, and he he climbs up on the basking spot as well. And he have bitten her while on the basking spot, so that she would run into the water, as it's easier for him to harass her there.

And that hibernation thing seems kind of tacked on, to me. Since they can eat human food, and obviously eat on a human-like metabolism cycle, they would NOT be able to hibernate, because they would STARVE!

And you hit the nail on the head about functioning in winter. They've never hibernated in any other version but Mirage, so I'm guessing they CAN'T. Some animals simply aren't equipped with the proper metabolism mechanism for that, and humans are one of them. That may actually be a weakness they have- having the natural inclination to want to hibernate in cold weather, but not having the ability to store fat in order to survive during said hibernation!
!

This could easily be explained as sliders eat all the time, they never get satisfied and will eat 'til they literally can't eat anymore. As a pet owner it's easy to over feed them, as they will constantly beg for food, and act as if they are starved.

Add, that to a bipedal turtle with thumbs and now the self supplier of food, or loads of pizza.

Also, Turtles don't need to hibernate. I certainly don't hibernate mine, as it's strenuous for turtles to hibernate. Most turtle pet sites states it's usually not necessary for a pet turtle to hibernate. But, that said. They still, at least mine to, get sluggish and sleeps more during winter time, they also eat less. So, they may not be hibernating, but it's still there in their system to take things a little slower. By not living in the wild, I don't think the Turtles would be fully hibernating, but it would have been nice to get a nod at it, and maybe they where less active during winter, and maybe be more vulnerable for enemies, like in Soul's Winter where Shredder uses the Turtles grogginess to his and the Foot's advantage.

One thing I realized though, other than NOT HAVING BOOBS since reptiles don't have them.... shouldn't female turtles have an otherwise female figure though? I would think a female mutant turtle would still have a smaller overall slender frame to be as feminine, as the wider, bulkier muscular turtles have masculine bodies. I mean just look at how big and ripped they were in 2K3. There's really no reason a female mutant would adopt that manly frame.

As with Sliders, the female is significant larger and stronger then the male. Taking into a comparison, if humanoid red-eared sliders was to scale with real sliders, the male humanoid turtle would be around the size of the Jim Henson Turtles in the first live-action movie, while a female humanoid turtle would be the size of Platinum Dunes Raphael.

And I don't think the shell of a female humanoid turtle would adapt to the human beauty standard of an hour-shape body. Although 2k3 have some of the more human triangle masculine torsos, they still remained relatively roundish in their shell.

Alhough, a female humanoid turtle, mutated from the Common Snapping Turtle, she would probably have a hour-glass shaped body, cause the plastron is a lot different, and the shell bridge is super tiny. it'll be like a corset, only it's made out of their own bones... and stuck on forever.

http://thinkingturtles.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/painted-snapper-plastra.png

[Luckyday]

Maybe biting itself will evolve to mean something completely different like the human smile. It use won't be use as a kink but as turn "off switch" for sexual urges. Turtles have breeding seasons, so for advance turtle species would have designate breeding areas but if a turtle can't get one or doesn't want to but still feels the urges then he/she will simply use their hands to grip the back of the neck to stimulate as a "bite".

It also possible that they can simply rub the shell because it has the opposite effect. It makes a turtle feel relax and sleepy.

[Coola Yagami]

For some reason I kinda doubt it. I'm pretty sure human DNA would override and make female mutant turtles have slender female bodies minus the newbs.

[IndigoErth]

I'd call it abuse, especially in my pets case. As my Yellow-Bellied female is terrified of the male half her size. When he bites, he lunges as fast as he would attacking prey, and he clamps up hard, breaking skin and she panics, and frantically swim around to knock him off. To separate them I have to take them out of the tank, into the shower and hose the male with cold water.

She even tenses up, when she basks, and he he climbs up on the basking spot as well. And he have bitten her while on the basking spot, so that she would run into the water, as it's easier for him to harass her there.
:( Geez, is that entirely a species thing or is he also a bit of a bully as far as they go? Not to speak badly of your pet or anything. I know it's just how nature works on planet Earth in some cases :roll:, but makes me sad when the girls can't get a break sometimes. Not to go off species topic, though it reminds me of when my family still had our fish 'pond' and gotten to the point, a few years ago, that we had maybe two girls and way too many boys. Got to where I'd separate the girls once in a while for short periods just to give them a break as it was becoming clearly too much for them. Not sure if it was from the extra harassment and not having a real chance to do her thing, but pretty sure one of them died egg bound. :( I don't wanna say guys suck, but that sort of stuff just sorta makes you feel a bit more kinship with fellow women of all species.



As with Sliders, the female is significant larger and stronger then the male. Taking into a comparison, if humanoid red-eared sliders was to scale with real sliders, the male humanoid turtle would be around the size of the Jim Henson Turtles in the first live-action movie, while a female humanoid turtle would be the size of Platinum Dunes Raphael.

Oh god the mental image on that...
Her: Well hi there, lil man, ain't you cute.
Him: (looks up) *gulp*

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9h6biNSNx1r538cn.gifhttp://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Mila-Kunis-Laughing-And-Wiping-The-Tears-Away-Reaction-Gif.gif


Maybe biting itself will evolve to mean something completely different like the human smile.
Just don't evolve into some social thing intended to be friendly. Unless you find the small number of people who appreciate it, will otherwise quickly get slapped and find out real fast that it doesn't work in the human society you're trying to live as members of on the fringes. :lol:

Turtles have breeding seasons, so for advance turtle species would have designate breeding areas


Open for one week annually.

http://www.totsandtravel.com/images/hotels/US_NJ/best_western_plus_turtle_brook_inn_west_orange_new _jersey-img1486340.jpg

Though all the more affluent talking Turtles head to...

http://rocksubculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Rock-Subculture-Hotel-Resort-Review-Turtle-Bay-Resort-Hawaii-Oahu-02.jpg

The exotic, tropical land of the sea Turtle people! All inclusive 7 day package, bring your own mate or meet that special someone. NO PETS OR HUMANS ALLOWED.

[Candy Kappa]

:( Geez, is that entirely a species thing or is he also a bit of a bully as far as they go? Not to speak badly of your pet or anything. I know it's just how nature works on planet Earth in some cases :roll:, but makes me sad when the girls can't get a break sometimes. Not to go off species topic, though it reminds me of when my family still had our fish 'pond' and gotten to the point, a few years ago, that we had maybe two girls and way too many boys. Got to where I'd separate the girls once in a while for short periods just to give them a break as it was becoming clearly too much for them. Not sure if it was from the extra harassment and not having a real chance to do her thing, but pretty sure one of them died egg bound. :( I don't wanna say guys suck, but that sort of stuff just sorta makes you feel a bit more kinship with fellow women of all species.

I think in my YBS's case, it's a bit of both. It is a natural thing for the males to do, to show dominance as they are very territorial and he probably want to show that he is Da Bomb. But he can be very vicious, and while my previous Red-eared Slider male could be a bully, this is very different.

And I never had to hose the RES male in the shower to get him to let go of the female. I could make him stop my just being there and scold him.

Hopefully, Salvador (the male YBS) will get calmer during winter, so poor Amy my female YBS can get some peace.

That little... Bugger.
http://36.media.tumblr.com/65a285eaa7e05b4f2529e2d4f1236194/tumblr_n99si2Xm6v1skbvtco1_1280.png

Oh god the mental image on that...
Her: Well hi there, lil man, ain't you cute.
Him: (looks up) *gulp*

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9h6biNSNx1r538cn.gifhttp://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Mila-Kunis-Laughing-And-Wiping-The-Tears-Away-Reaction-Gif.gif


I should draw that some time. :lol:

[IndigoErth]

That little... Bugger.
http://36.media.tumblr.com/65a285eaa7e05b4f2529e2d4f1236194/tumblr_n99si2Xm6v1skbvtco1_1280.png
:lol::lol::lol:

Such deceptively innocent-looking creatures... :trazz:

[Sleepingseeker]

To quote my favorite character from Jurassic Park, Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Life will find a way." :D

[Warhorse]

To quote my favorite character from Jurassic Park, Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Life will find a way." :D

That's been my saying for all of this. Especially since the mutation of the Turtles is so unpredictable and unfounded.

[Leo656]

My argument's always been: "It's all fake, so if the writer of the day's story decides the Turtles can mate with humans, or any other species, then they can."

That's actually the only "correct" answer for most of these debates, such as the aforementioned "Can Lois and Clark have babies?" example. There's only one "real" answer: If the writer says so, then Yes.

Mark my words, if the TMNT franchise lasts anywhere near as long as the Superman franchise has, then absolutely, somewhere in the canon will be stories where the guys have mates and offspring, and at least in one situation it will involve cross-breeding with humans. It's definitely going to happen one day, if the franchise lasts so long. It's just math.

Whether fans will accept it or dismiss it as "icky", well, that'll be up to the individual.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well they do have opposable thumbs; don't they?



True enough, but that's really NO substitute for..... :trazz::twink::toops:


Depends; sexual dimorphism can vary depending on animal species. I could very well be wrong so I hope one of our resident turtle experts corrects me if I am, but based on my (admittedly extremely limited) knowledge of turtles, I thought male RES's were generally smaller than the females? I remember reading that in animals other than mammals and birds, the females are usually bigger (I'm of the understanding that females having a larger body size allows them to lay more eggs).

If I got anything wrong there, someone please set my facts straight! :)

So if we had female mutants of insect, amphibian or reptilian varieties, I guess it'd be up in the air as to whether they'd be bigger than the males or if the human DNA would switch it around. I kind of like the idea of them being (at least) similar size and build, myself.


This is indeed true. In fact, even in many bird species, the females are often bigger. Especially in raptors, and some other families. It's generally true for most ALL vertebrate phyla save for most mammals, in which the female is usually smaller. And the reason is just as you say- in egg-laying species, the female is larger for that very reason- more eggs. However, with insects and other arthropods, they are usually either the same size, or the size and even color difference is so drastic that they may appear to be different species! This is especially true of spiders. A male black widow, for instance, looks nothing like his larger and more dramatically marked mate. Same with the common agriope garden spiders one sees in summer, and many others.


I'd call it abuse, especially in my pets case. As my Yellow-Bellied female is terrified of the male half her size. When he bites, he lunges as fast as he would attacking prey, and he clamps up hard, breaking skin and she panics, and frantically swim around to knock him off. To separate them I have to take them out of the tank, into the shower and hose the male with cold water.

She even tenses up, when she basks, and he he climbs up on the basking spot as well. And he have bitten her while on the basking spot, so that she would run into the water, as it's easier for him to harass her there.

This could easily be explained as sliders eat all the time, they never get satisfied and will eat 'til they literally can't eat anymore. As a pet owner it's easy to over feed them, as they will constantly beg for food, and act as if they are starved.

Add, that to a bipedal turtle with thumbs and now the self supplier of food, or loads of pizza.

Also, Turtles don't need to hibernate. I certainly don't hibernate mine, as it's strenuous for turtles to hibernate. Most turtle pet sites states it's usually not necessary for a pet turtle to hibernate. But, that said. They still, at least mine to, get sluggish and sleeps more during winter time, they also eat less. So, they may not be hibernating, but it's still there in their system to take things a little slower. By not living in the wild, I don't think the Turtles would be fully hibernating, but it would have been nice to get a nod at it, and maybe they where less active during winter, and maybe be more vulnerable for enemies, like in Soul's Winter where Shredder uses the Turtles grogginess to his and the Foot's advantage.

As with Sliders, the female is significant larger and stronger then the male. Taking into a comparison, if humanoid red-eared sliders was to scale with real sliders, the male humanoid turtle would be around the size of the Jim Henson Turtles in the first live-action movie, while a female humanoid turtle would be the size of Platinum Dunes Raphael.


That may be simply a quirk of your turtle- I've seen comments from other owners on RES sites that vary from what you describe to very tame and docile "romance" on the part of the males. I guess it depends on the turtle's individual personality quirks. You sure you shouldn't have named yours Raphael??! LOL. Kidding. Sounds like a real "jerk" male, you know- the "bad-boy, rough-em-up if they don't agree to a date" type. Plenty of males like that in every species, I'm sure.

I was going to mention the over-eating, but I'm sure an intelligent, bipedal one would know not to do that, since I've heard that some turtles can actually burst their stomachs from doing so. In the wild, however, that's not generally a problem unless food is EXTREMELY plentiful. That seems to be more of a pet-only problem. But in the case of the TMNT, they probably NEED all that extra fuel, since they'd burn it so fast in training or during patrols/fights, etc. Might explain WHY they eat all that pizza!!

Speaking of which- in the wild, turtles usually DO need to hibernate, for the reason above of food availability. Probably less so in warmer climates, but turtles who live further north typically do. I'd imagine New York gets cold enough that even the turtles in Central Park need to for a couple of months or even more. I DO know that here in Texas, winters are often very mild, but we still don't see any during winter months, and they are all over the rest of the year. (My parents have a large piece of acreage, and we often run across box turtles while out walking, and there are some RES's and I think even a few snappers in their three ponds. But we never see any of them in winter.) Same goes for snakes, lizards, and frogs. They're all over the place most of the year, but in winter, you don't see or hear a single one unless it's been disturbed or wakes up too soon. I've seen that happen before. Just last year, we had a late freeze, and a snake that had already come out of hibernation got caught by it. It was alive when I found it, but probably ended up frozen to death or starving pretty quickly because it had already woken up and wasn't prepared for the sudden change. The ground was covered with ice, so it would have been unable to find another hole to coil up in to wait it out. That can happen to reptiles in the wild more often then one might think. Especially in the age of global climate change.....


To quote my favorite character from Jurassic Park, Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Life will find a way." :D


Ah, one of MY favorite quotes, as well!

[IndigoErth]

but I'm sure an intelligent, bipedal one would know not to do that
I dunno, Turtle or not they're still Americans, and we know how that goes... :P :lol: Come on boys, burn those calories off! No, you had the $5 pizzas for lunch, two each I might add...try some salad, it's good for you.


Edit:
Mark my words, if the TMNT franchise lasts anywhere near as long as the Superman franchise has, then absolutely, somewhere in the canon will be stories where the guys have mates and offspring
Dear god that would be adorable seeing them legitimately portrayed as dads (and uncles). As it is I'd love for another series someday to catch them up in age with their franchise, to where they'd actually be 30 now. That all just better happen before I'm 80. (Edit more: Actually yeah, long before then I hope, because if they'd be the age of their franchise they'd be 75. LOL)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

LOL, true, but depending on the incarnation, they might not even be able to expand their shells because of the bridge restricting organ space, so instead of getting fat, they might just end up like that one fat guy in the Alfred Hitchcock episode who just kept eating until he exploded. I'd HOPE they'd know better than to overeat THAT much.... Of course, if its one of the "no bridge" incarnations, then that idea goes right out the window! I recall that episode of the OT with Hokum in the future where Mikey was a fat slob.... That was just horrifying to see.

Heh, I'D whip that boy into shape, lol! :trazz::twink::toops::tlol:

[pennydreadful]

Mark my words, if the TMNT franchise lasts anywhere near as long as the Superman franchise has, then absolutely, somewhere in the canon will be stories where the guys have mates and offspring, and at least in one situation it will involve cross-breeding with humans. It's definitely going to happen one day, if the franchise lasts so long. It's just math.

Whether fans will accept it or dismiss it as "icky", well, that'll be up to the individual.

I hope it happens during my lifetime - it'd be hysterical to hear the screams of outrage from some of the people here. :lol:

[AnarkyLantern]

I think Nickelodeon has essentially gone there with a version of tmnt where half of the turtles are textually attracted to a human female. The biological issues do not favor the existence of the half human characters we've seen over the years- various elseworlds super children, He-Man and She-Ra, Warhawk on JLU, Gohan and Goten, Nightstar from Kingdom Come, etc. I know Gargoyles and ChoBits addressed the biological limits of humans with nonhumans- Goliath and Elisa were eventually going to adopt had the show continued. But ultimately, I think it comes down to what a nonhuman character represents within the subtext. None of the potential love interests on the nick show are technically human either. I think there's elements of ethnic ambiguity and loss of humanity in all of that, depending on the character we're talking about. So, with that in mind, I think we are looking at characters who are functionally/subtextually human. You might get a throwaway line about fertility assistance if we got a future episode with half-mnt but I don't expect more than that.

[Luckyday]

You know, I've once had a idea that when the turtles go into the future or somewhere in outer space of where the fugitoid lived, that creation of mutants had just became illegal because in the past it was a popular trend for interspecies alien couples to have genetically created children that were made through mutagen but of course what they didn't expect was that the children of the mutant children had some mild to severe genetic disorders and some were born sterile. The turtles have to get fake i.d that show they were born at certain time and were all pure blooded aliens to avoid persecution and "genetic cleansing".

I think if there were a genetic service for interspecies couples. It would be set up in a way for the child to look like "x" version of his/her father and that he/she would be the same species of "x" as his/her mother. Like for example if dog alien that has black fur and cat alien that has white fur would see a genetic specialist who would look for through a catalog for genes of cat aliens with black fur for the unborn alien cat baby

Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that how asari's sexual reproduction from Mass Effect games works.

[DarkFell]

Nick TMNT will not go that far into the series *concerning human and mutant intimate affairs. * But fans of Rule 34 will go that far and quite a few of them have done so and will continue to do so be it fan art, fan fiction, and any other media.

[Casey]

My argument's always been: "It's all fake, so if the writer of the day's story decides the Turtles can mate with humans, or any other species, then they can."

That's actually the only "correct" answer for most of these debates, such as the aforementioned "Can Lois and Clark have babies?" example. There's only one "real" answer: If the writer says so, then Yes.

Mark my words, if the TMNT franchise lasts anywhere near as long as the Superman franchise has, then absolutely, somewhere in the canon will be stories where the guys have mates and offspring, and at least in one situation it will involve cross-breeding with humans. It's definitely going to happen one day, if the franchise lasts so long. It's just math.

Whether fans will accept it or dismiss it as "icky", well, that'll be up to the individual.

Aren't you all forgetting Volume 4? It's not human/turtle, but it's offspring.

[AnarkyLantern]

The turtles' ages and the genre keep the question away to some degree.

[Leo656]

Aren't you all forgetting Volume 4? It's not human/turtle, but it's offspring.

I'm not sure they ever resolved it, but I think there was some doubt about whether the thing with Mikey was true or not. They might not have been his.

[So-CoAddict]

This whole thread makes me chuckle. :lol:

[Candy Kappa]

Speaking of which- in the wild, turtles usually DO need to hibernate, for the reason above of food availability.

I should have specified that I meant pet turtles (that are indoors since some keeps them outdoor in ponds as well). Since they have a steady temperature climate and food won't be a problem. And since it takes a lot out of a turtle to hibernate, it's advised not to hibernate them, cause there is no real reason to it as pets.

Which could apply to the Turtles themselves, they might be groggy or more sleepy and less active, but living in NY and not being in the wild they do have access to warmth and no problems getting food, so they would probably not go into full hibernation.

[Luckyday]

I should have specified that I meant pet turtles (that are indoors since some keeps them outdoor in ponds as well). Since they have a steady temperature climate and food won't be a problem. And since it takes a lot out of a turtle to hibernate, it's advised not to hibernate them, cause there is no real reason to it as pets.

Which could apply to the Turtles themselves, they might be groggy or more sleepy and less active, but living in NY and not being in the wild they do have access to warmth and no problems getting food, so they would probably not go into full hibernation.

But it would be of matter of choice (or a survival strategy) depending on the available resources. Not hibernating would be seen as a luxury for a middle class turtle.

I know that there is a layer of fat store within the shell so do you think that shell's real purpose is to store heat?

[Candy Kappa]

I'm sure Donatello could have in some way installed a heater in the lair. How they manouvre outside during winter time is a more tricky one. Maybe clothes with isolation inside to keep them from losing heat too fast.

[Luckyday]

I'm sure Donatello could have in some way installed a heater in the lair. How they manouvre outside during winter time is a more tricky one. Maybe clothes with isolation inside to keep them from losing heat too fast.

Like a electric blanket coat or in their case a shell cozy?:roll:

[IndigoErth]

They just wear the TMNT Snuggie and nobody notices a thing. ;)


Edit: Though if these guys have been shown with the ability to sweat, with a few hybrid genes at play I guess, maybe winter is a little easier for them to deal with than regular Turtles in terms of wakefulness. But really guys, it's cold out, that isn't fun for anyone, bundle up...

[Candy Kappa]

Like a electric blanket coat or in their case a shell cozy?:roll:

I was told this weird story once about a biker who was tired of being cold when he was riding his motorcycle.

He laid heating cables inside his bike suit and had it connected to the bike for electricity. During the test ride, the suit worked perfectly, until he felt a bit too warm.

Stopping to check the suit, he had forgotten to have a extra layer of cloth to separate the heater cables from his bare skin, causing severe burns...