Official Episode Discussion S2 #18 "Pizza Face"

[Machias Banshee]

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I really have no idea how mutated pizza fits into the whole storyline... :tgrumble:

There's still so much other stuff going on that we want to know about - Karai and Shredder, TigerClaw.... they Must have something hidden in there for the main story arc.

Stay Tuned and Have fun!

~Machias

[BabyTurtles]

saw the episode.

I'm just going to go cry in a corner until they start treating Mikey like an actual important character
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don't mind me....seriously, enjoy the episode, I'm fine.

[Zulithe]

downloading on itunes now... forgot there was an episode today.

[alien_ken]

Worst episode yet.... Surprisingly bad... :(

[Vicky82]

Ok! What did I just watch? Ok, it was funny and had some good moments in it but has to be the worst episode of season 2 so far.

One other thing Leo was played by Dominic Catrambone not Jason Biggs, I hope it was just a one off (I guess they did this episode when Jason Biggs wife was due to give birth) and Biggs aint fired.

[Zulithe]

OH NO!!! are rumors of Leo being recast true? :(

The voice sounds alright but... it's definitely not the same. Guess we better start getting used to it. I'm wondering... the reason (or at least part of the reason) for delays between episodes... could it be related to finding the replacement for Biggs? I know the guy in this ep also did Leo in the video game, but maybe they did do some casting before deciding?

Something interesting... in the credits 3 of the turtles are listed in their own block... Leonardo is listed in a separate block along with the "other" cast... soooo is it possible this casting of Leo is temp? whatever the case... I hope we find out soon.

LOVE the TMNT 1990 movie reference (with the pizza delivery)

Did this episode remind anyone else of "Parasitica?" Which was one of the weaker episodes from Season 1 :/ I do think it was better than parasitica but... I don't know.

Mikey literally ate Pizza Face... wtf...

Oh and... Triceratons CONFIRMED! (written on the side of the payphone)

http://i.imgur.com/HKvjigPm.png (http://imgur.com/HKvjigP)

[Colonel Schrader]

oh god.. i hope they have not gotten rid of Jason!! that would seriously suck!

[Vicky82]

He's on Twitter, He tweeted this yesterday.

Dominic Catrambone‏@domcatrambone ·
It's an honor to join the #TMNT group this week with @yakkopinky @GregCipes @SeanAstin #PizzaFace is gooey. Eww. @NickelodeonTV @TMNTMaster

I have feeling he was just a temp as Jason Biggs was busey with other things at that time. Remember when they had to use other voice actors for Donnie and Raph in the 80s toon.

[electric_sheep]

Every time i like an episode it's universaly panned, and every time i hate one (Baxter mutating one) everyone loves it, it's a conspiracy...
Also they made a major leap in the animation here, movements are more fluid and they added a little more texture.
And i'll just leave this here, April is a plank here she has 0 personality...
Leo's new voice sounds similar but the old one felt more geniune...

[Zulithe]

He's on Twitter, He tweeted this yesterday.

Dominic Catrambone‏@domcatrambone ·
It's an honor to join the #TMNT group this week with @yakkopinky @GregCipes @SeanAstin #PizzaFace is gooey. Eww. @NickelodeonTV @TMNTMaster

I have feeling he was just a temp as Jason Biggs was busey with other things at that time. Remember when they had to use other voice actors for Donnie and Raph in the 80s toon.

His tweet is vague though you can't tell if he means JUST FOR THIS EPISODE or as a full member of the brothers... I think we can all accept that due to life circumstances they may have to use temp voices here and there... perfectly fine. But if it's a permanent change we need a formal announcement. So for this reason I ASSUME it is temp... I just don't want to be wrong and disappointed.

[Colonel Schrader]

I thought the episode was funny.. the talking pizza etc.. i got a few good laughs, and mikey being my favourite, I love that the episode was all about him! only thing that ruined the episode a bit was the voice of leo.. new guy sucks! i am praying it was only a 1 episode type deal where biggs was busy. Hope Jason is back in the next episode.

[Metalwolf]

Oh and... Triceratons CONFIRMED! (written on the side of the payphone)

http://i.imgur.com/HKvjigPm.png (http://imgur.com/HKvjigP)I noticed that too. Woohoo! Maybe we see a rivalry with the Kraang :D

[Ninjinister]

Catrambone voiced Leo in the game based on this cartoon, just as an aside.

I'm seeing people say John DiMaggio is Pizza Face. Is that true?

[DarkLightDragon]

Whoa, so they got a replacement for Biggs?

Though like someone else said already, he was probably too busy with other projects or personal issues to record his lines for this episode. I highly doubt it has anything to do with his controversial tweets way back to who-knows-when. It seems way too late to punish or replace him just for that.

[CyberCubed]

Wow never thought we'd have a VA replacement for one episode like the OT used to do.

[kelligrafie]

I have feeling he was just a temp as Jason Biggs was busey with other things at that time. Remember when they had to use other voice actors for Donnie and Raph in the 80s toon.

Wikipedia lists FOUR different voice actors for Shredder alone.

James Avery, Townsend Coleman, Jim Cummings and Dorian Harewood. Apparently Townsend also did a few episodes as Krang.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Every time i like an episode it's universally panned, and every time i hate one (Baxter mutating one) everyone loves it, it's a conspiracy...
Also they made a major leap in the animation here, movements are more fluid and they added a little more texture.
And i'll just leave this here, April is a plank here she has 0 personality...
Leo's new voice sounds similar but the old one felt more geniune...

I really liked this episode too. It was a 'day in the life' episode with the turtles, and that was something really cool. Sure, it's a fillers and there are some parts you could claim slow, but I definitely enjoyed it more than Mazes and Mutants and The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman.

Did this episode remind anyone else of "Parasitica?" Which was one of the weaker episodes from Season 1 :/ I do think it was better than parasitica but... I don't know.

Mikey literally ate Pizza Face... wtf...

Oh and... Triceratons CONFIRMED! (written on the side of the payphone)

http://i.imgur.com/HKvjigPm.png (http://imgur.com/HKvjigP)

The concept sort of reminded me of it, but the plot and layout were totally different. One thing that kind of bothered me before the episode was the 'Mikey saves his brothers' plot again, and while watching it we got the 'brothers don't believe Mikey' story again. However, I think they did it in a new and fresh way that made me enjoy it.

Yesss! So excited for them. But is this just a tease, like Casey Jones in Season One, or do you think they are already among us?

[JTH]

It would seem like a temp.

Being this episode had nothing to do with the whole arc, I'm sure he used the opportunity to spend time elsewhere.

Not like him voicing Leo in this episode would have helped the episode much.

[CyberCubed]

This episode was pretty funny. Not sure why some didn't like it. Very fun episode.

[LH]

Haha! Mikey's Ducktaped teddy bear from "It Came From the Depths" made a comeback! :tgrin:

[JTH]

Well it was funny, but it was Crash TV bad.

But I think most of us prepared for this and expected such.

[Creativecreature31]

I didn't see the episode but I heard mixed reviews on it

I heard Mikey ate the antagonist and Irma had another appearance? And Leo got a new voice? Wtf is happening?

[Vicky82]

Worst episode of Season 2 so far, ok it was funny and had some good moments, but it was silly and a wierd episode. loved the movie references in it though. Splinter (didn't speak and hardly did anything) and April shouldn't been in this episode.

Good/Funny Moments
Irma getting more Suspicious over April 'Friends', I wonder if Irma meets the turtles soon
Irma said she rather eat toxic waste - foreshadowing here
Mikey's Pizza Song with ICK
Antonio's Pizza Add
The Delivery boy giving the pizza to Mikey through a storm drain
Mikey acting like a gangster, wearing sunglasses interrogating/torturing a pizza
Tricertons mentioned on a phonebox - Foreshadowing here
Mikey pretending to be a zombie.
Mikey fighting his brothers

WTF/Stupid Moments :teek:
Mikey's homemade pizza - it had a finger, an eye, a rat, a tin can, worms on it - yuck and Mikey ate it.
If Donnie was worried about April, why didn't he leave to check on her
Mikey didn't no how to take photo's on his phone
Mikey wanted to get his money back for the pizza but he forgot he got it for free
A zombie throwing a little girl zombie at Mikey.
Pizza ingrediants being thrown at April and then wrap her up as a calzone ready to be eaten.
Mikey eating his way out of pizza face and he used to be human,
Mikey burping,
That they all think it was a dream.

Movie refrences
Movie poster, Dusk of the Zombi 4 - think is a reference to Romero Night of the living dead and it's sequels
Pizza delivery boy giving the pizza to Mikey - reference to the first TMNT movie.
Mikey acting like a gangster torturing a pizza - A reference to a gangster movie, I think Resorvor Dogs/Pulp Fiction.
The pizza put in the freezer with ICK then ICK wakes up and spins her head round - reference to The Exorcist.
Mikey pretending to be a zombie to get in the building - reference to Shaun of the Dead.
Mikey singing Go Ninja Go Ninja Go - reference to the 2nd TMNT movie.
Mikey coming out of Pizza Face - reference to Alien.
The zombies with pizza over there heads - referance to Leatherface from the Texas Chainsaw Massacer

[CyberCubed]

Thought this was one of the funniest episodes of the series actually. A concept so stupid it actually worked. Liked Pizzaface too.

One question though is why is it when Mikey ate pizzaface he didn't turn into a zombie?

[snake]

It was alright. I didn't like the mini pizza's while I did like Pizzaface. I really wish this show would stop with the fillers and have a tiny bit of continuity. Just stop with the fillers that introduce new characters and actually use all those mutants that debuted previously. Add some character development! Maybe instead of using a new character, this episode could've been an episode for Snakeweed, or Spider-Bytez, or better yet, Mutagen Man! They have tons of unused characters that could be used! Spider-Bytez debuted in the SECOND EPISODE! He then showed up nearly 30 episodes later! All those pointless Kraang fillers could've been used to develope those characters that only show up for little to no purpose.

Another thing I might touch upon; the Kraang.

The Kraang are supposed to be defeated, right? They wanted to capture April and the turtles defeated them in showdown, correct? What goal or purpose do they serve now? Honestly! What is their goal anymore?!?!?!


Sorry for the rant. I really love this show, I really do....

[CyberCubed]

This show has 26 episode seasons, that's why it has time for lots of fillers. Shows that only have 13 episode seasons tend to have less fillers because they need to focus on the plot for the season.

I don't see the problem. TMNT cartoons go on for over 150 episodes, there are tons of fillers in the past cartoons as well.

[kelligrafie]

I enjoyed the episode but there were a few issues.

It was wasted on Irma and April, they might as well not been in it. They really didn't need to reiterate April abandoning Irma for the hundredth time in favour of turtle power.

Splinter could've been so much more deadlier and yet the pizza spawns put up a bigger fight than a ninja master. I didn't feel the turtles to be as dangerous as they were in Parasitica.

I also spy the potential for later episodes to not follow through correctly continuity wise, as to what happened here. The ending was a bit ambiguous.

But the ICK/Pizza Spawn/Freezer moment had me in fits. The movie references were classic this episode.

[CyberCubed]

It was wasted on Irma and April, they might as well not been in it. They really didn't need to reiterate April abandoning Irma for the hundredth time in favour of turtle power.

They're playing up Irma being suspicious about April and the Turtles, this is the same thing the OT did in Season 2 before Irma discovered them.

Splinter could've been so much more deadlier and yet the pizza spawns put up a bigger fight than a ninja master. I didn't feel the turtles to be as dangerous as they were in Parasitica.

Its obvious the pizza's were in control of the bodies, it doesn't really matter how much skill Splinter has.

I also spy the potential for later episodes to not follow through correctly continuity wise, as to what happened here. The ending was a bit ambiguous.

The episode really happened, it was obvious Mikey blacked out and returned home like the others.

[snake]

This show has 26 episode seasons, that's why it has time for lots of fillers. Shows that only have 13 episode seasons tend to have less fillers because they need to focus on the plot for the season.

I don't see the problem. TMNT cartoons go on for over 150 episodes, there are tons of fillers in the past cartoons as well.

Don't get me wrong, I love fun fillers! But I wish they could be used to develop all those filler mutants or at least use them in some small part.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Thought this was one of the funniest episodes of the series actually. A concept so stupid it actually worked. Liked Pizzaface too.

One question though is why is it when Mikey ate pizzaface he didn't turn into a zombie?

Yeah, I was wondering that too. Didn't Mikey say something about an iron stomach ...?

[Jon_Talbain]

The story of how Pizza Face came to be....wow. So he just decided to taste something that was glowing on the ground just like that? And Pizza Face was actually going to eat everyone there? Plus, Mikey literally ate a man that used to be human. What was going on in this episode was more disturbing than it seemed.

[CyberCubed]

I think if you got the movie references to stuff like Aliens, gangster movies, various zombie films, etc....this episode is a lot funnier than to people who didn't notice it.

Also I thought all of Pizzaface's dialogue was hilarious. Guy sounded like a cross between Mario and the italian chef from Simpsons, "Luigi."

[snake]

I think if you got the movie references to stuff like Aliens, gangster movies, various zombie films, etc....this episode is a lot funnier than to people who didn't notice it.

Also I thought all of Pizzaface's dialogue was hilarious. Guy sounded like a cross between Mario and the italian chef from Simpsons, "Luigi."

I loved his voice. Really great choice of casting.

[saintsaucey]

I don't get the hate. It reminded me of the episode of justice league unlimited where Booster Saved the day and no one knew. That and Parasitica.

[Luckyday]

This episode was okay. It just a filler episode. The only thing that bother me was the inconsistency. It didn't make sense that Mikey wasn't pizzified from consumption when the others did. It felt a little lazy and the writing itself felt rush like all of the writing was done in an afternoon but again when no longer taking this show seriously and it was a fun wacky episode.

[CyberCubed]

This episode was okay. It just a filler episode. .

Filler =/= bad. I wish people got that mindset out of their heads.

[fridaynightdestination]

Wow. Just found this out. Anyone else used to watch Teen Titans? It was my favorite show when I was in Kindergarten and first grade
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Anyway, great episode, full of hilarious Michelangelo moments. The stuff that he did is this episode is pretty much what makes him my favorite turtle :D And seeing Irma getting suspicious was cool, it'd be interesting to see if she finds out about the turtles. Overall, great episode. A vast improvement over the last Mikey focused episode, Mikey's Got Shellacne. But I wasn't a fan of the fact that The whole thing turned out to be a dream, seemed like a bit of a copout, and it made me happy to see Mikey finally be the hero for once, only to turn out it was all a dream. Oh well. Despite that, loved this episode. :D 9/10

[CyberCubed]

You were only in first grade when Teen Titans came out? Jesus I was in 12th grade. :lol:

[snake]

This episode was okay. It just a filler episode. The only thing that bother me was the inconsistency. It didn't make sense that Mikey didn't get pizzified from consumption when the others did. It felt a little lazy and the writing itself felt rush like all of the writing was done in an afternoon but again when no longer taking this show seriously and it was a fun wacky episode.

Maybe only the little pizza's could only control people. That's probably why Pizzaface created them, because he couldn't do the job himself.

[fridaynightdestination]

You were only in first grade when Teen Titans came out? Jesus I was in 12th grade. :lol:

It was 10 years ago. 10 years is a long time. I'm not a little kid.

[kelligrafie]

Its obvious the pizza's were in control of the bodies, it doesn't really matter how much skill Splinter has.
The zombies in the alley outside Antonios did a pretty good job of trying to duff up Mikey.

Anyone else feel weird when Spiderbytez human form was used as a zombie?

[Luckyday]

It did. Probably just reusing old character models for budget reasons. Didn't mind it on the other hand.

[blindturtle02]

I really liked this episode. Pizzaface sure sounds a heck of allot like John DiMaggio to me. I was listening to a trailer on youtube someone had taped from their TV via cam some weeks ago and hoping that was him. I think he also did some of the mini pizzas. It's fun playing the "name that voice actor" game before they're revealed in credits and such. Yes, I'm a sucker for that sort of thing. Sue me already.

Of course this wasn't a dream sequence. Great to know there's some possibility of Pizzaface returning. I wish he'd been featured a little more than just the 3rd act. How cool is the concept of a great big cheese barfing people eating pizza mutant? Poor Antonio. Guess that puts the fear of pizza kid mutating into Pizzaface and developing an Italian accent to rest, huh? Hmmm, wonder if that kid is actually Vinny?

As far as fillers go, I had no problems with this one. So far, there hasn't been an episode of TMNT 2012 I haven't liked. This one had action, more great horror movie homages, and a reference to Triceratons. Wouldn't have found that out if it hadn't been for you dromers, so thanks. So was it just the name of the species or what?

Greg Cipes stole the show this episode. I bet Ciro also had fun doing zombified pizza delivery kid. Don't get me started on DiMaggio. Always a treat to hear him in anything. As for the alternate Leo guy, noticed that too and I think he did fine. The whole episode really delivered. It didn't seem cheesy at all to me. Well it was literally cheesy, but that's about it. The biggest laugh for me was when ICK was introduced to mini pizza. Attacking turtles is one thing, but you don't mess around with a feline, my doughy friend. Attagirl, Kitty.

[Garfield]

I liked this episode. I caught on that it was a dream about half way through the episode. It works better that way. This episode was just very wacky and that's saying a lot for this cartoon. There are a lot of inconsistences in this cartoon and mike can often be a little too much, but as a dream or a drug induced stupor (don't do drugs kids.) it justifies it all.

[BabyTurtles]

This episode was pretty funny. Not sure why some didn't like it. Very fun episode.

why? cause we barely get any Mikey episodes as it is.....why do we have to waste his character development episodes on fillers???????

Mikey gained NOTHING from this Pizza face episode......nothing at all.....and now I have to wait another season just to get another episode featuring him....and pray it's not about something ridiculous and that he actual learns a lesson!!

[CyberCubed]

It was 10 years ago. 10 years is a long time. I'm not a little kid.

10 years ago I was a senior in High School. I honestly forget how young some of you are, mainly because I think the majority of this forum was bored in the mid to late 80's when the original TMNT fad was going on.

[blue_angel99]

I love zombies and pizza! Mikey was so cute :tlove:

[CyberCubed]

I liked this episode. I caught on that it was a dream about half way through the episode. It works better that way. This episode was just very wacky and that's saying a lot for this cartoon. There are a lot of inconsistences in this cartoon and mike can often be a little too much, but as a dream or a drug induced stupor (don't do drugs kids.) it justifies it all.

It wasn't a dream though.

[JH24]

This episode was painful to watch, there were some funny moments but I had to force myself to keep watching. It felt just too much out there.


Having said that, Dominic did a great job as Leonardo. His voice was slightly different but his manner of speaking was almost the same as that of Jason. You could just imagine Leonardo had a bit of a cold.

[Garfield]

It wasn't a dream though.



I actually think it was a dream, but it really doesn't matter. I'm learning that for better or worse. This isn't a cartoon that you are meant to take the context as literal... well until they suddenly want you to. It's their bad habit

[Luckyday]

This episode was painful to watch, there were some funny moments but I had to force myself to keep watching. It felt just too much out there.


Having said that, Dominic did a great job as Leonardo. His voice was slightly different but his manner of speaking was almost the same as that of Jason. You could just imagine Leonardo had a bit of a cold.

That or he's going though puberty. :lol:

[JTH]

why? cause we barely get any Mikey episodes as it is.....why do we have to waste his character development episodes on fillers???????

Mikey gained NOTHING from this Pizza face episode......nothing at all.....and now I have to wait another season just to get another episode featuring him....and pray it's not about something ridiculous and that he actual learns a lesson!!
Barely get any Mikey episodes? This was his 7th episode where he was the main focus. That's as many as anyone else. Just cause you don't like hardly any of those episodes doesn't mean they don't exist.

Plus this was an episode about living pizza zombies, did you really expect anything serious to come out of it? ...Seriously?

[CyberCubed]

:tcry:This episode was painful to watch, there were some funny moments but I had to force myself to keep watching. It felt just too much out there.


Having said that, Dominic did a great job as Leonardo. His voice was slightly different but his manner of speaking was almost the same as that of Jason. You could just imagine Leonardo had a bit of a cold.

I don't see how it was painful to watch, this was intended to be a silly episode. Some of you need to lighten up.

[pannoni1]

I should add to the WTF/Confused moments that Splinter actually likes pizza in this version given that in all other versions he hates it.

The "it was only a dream" plot has already been used in this series, so it was a bit of surprise to see it happen again at the end here. It was an entertaining episode for most of the same reasons why the OT is good to watch with all of the pop cultural references, and Michelangelo does fight boldly until the "end" to express his full fighting potential in case nobody else is there to help. There was some new backgrounds with better animation also used, so it should be interesting to watch again. But episodes like these lower our seriousness level of this series, and its just a notch above the OT's now, though that's not necessarily a bad thing when we have IDW and the new movie(s) given those target older demos. Unfortunately, I would have liked for the episode to be based more on the story from the classic Playmates figure, with the Foot being involved and having weapons like the Pegleg sword and the shield.

Overall, if you just want a comical story that involves the Turtles' favorite food, this episode is for you. If you take it seriously, having only Michelangelo left before waking up can cause a shock especially to those who have never seen it.

Rating: 6.5/10

[fridaynightdestination]

As CyberCubed said, just because it is a silly filler episode does not mean it is bad.

[Coola Yagami]

http://markandpaigerodriguez.blogspot.com/2014/05/nicktoons-tmnt-episode-44-pizza-face.html

I guess I'll post my thoughts since eventually someone will also be posting Black Nerd videos about it.

[electric_sheep]

why? cause we barely get any Mikey episodes as it is.....why do we have to waste his character development episodes on fillers???????

Mikey gained NOTHING from this Pizza face episode......nothing at all.....and now I have to wait another season just to get another episode featuring him....and pray it's not about something ridiculous and that he actual learns a lesson!!

This was actualy the funniest episode to date, tell me you didn't laugh at Mikey interogating the pizza? And not every chatachter has to learn a lesson in every episode, how many lessons can they learn?
Every time they do a one and done episode it's great but when they do the plot one it's just a mess. They just throw all their wierdness into it and don't hold back...

[BabyTurtles]

Barely get any Mikey episodes? This was his 7th episode where he was the main focus. That's as many as anyone else. Just cause you don't like hardly any of those episodes doesn't mean they don't exist.

Plus this was an episode about living pizza zombies, did you really expect anything serious to come out of it? ...Seriously?

putting it in a spoiler tag cause it's negative
Out of all the turtles Mikey gets the least episodes to himself this is a fact. :ohwell: I wouldn't mind the lack of episodes....if the episodes he was given were GOOD!

no....you know what... I DIDN'T expect anything from it, just like I didn't expect anything from Shellacne and Squirrelanoids and Parasitica.

for ONCE I want to look FORWARD to a Mikey episode. He literally has the silliest episodes ever and he never goes through any development whatsoever.

you expect me to just sit here and be happy with Mikey's character lately?

no, it's horrible and just because I was expecting it to be horrible doesn't change the fact. Mikey brings nothing to the team.....does anyone at Nick even know what to do with Mikey other than make him a silly goofball?

great ranting again....

[JH24]

:tcry:

I don't see how it was painful to watch, this was intended to be a silly episode. Some of you need to lighten up.

I have no problem with a silly episode or a filler. I just didn't like the story of this episode.

Mazes and Mutants was silly too and I enjoyed that one.

[saintsaucey]

Yeah I'm of the opinion that this wasn't a dream.

I was cleaning while watching but I loved the episode.

Go Ninja Go Ninja Go was nice. Loved the interogating scene and the naming bit.

[BabyTurtles]

This was actualy the funniest episode to date, tell me you didn't laugh at Mikey interogating the pizza? And not every chatachter has to learn a lesson in every episode, how many lessons can they learn?
Every time they do a one and done episode it's great but when they do the plot one it's just a mess. They just throw all their wierdness into it and don't hold back...

..........Mikey has had 4 episodes in a row about the same thing.

1)turtles don't listen to Mikey
2) Mikey saves the day
3) turtles realize they should be listening to Mikey
4).......turtles still don't listen to Mikey later...cue 3 more episodes about the same problem.

so no one has learned anything from Mikey's episodes 4 times in a row.

when IS Mikey going to learn something?? :ohwell:

[electric_sheep]

..........Mikey has had 4 episodes in a row about the same thing.

1)turtles don't listen to Mikey
2) Mikey saves the day
3) turtles realize they should be listening to Mikey
4).......turtles still don't listen to Mikey later...cue 3 more episodes about the same problem.

so no one has learned anything from Mikey's episodes 4 times in a row.

when IS Mikey going to learn something?? :ohwell:

He learned that price of being hearo is that everybody else doesn't know that you saved them, he learned that he can't always count on his borthers to save the day and he learned to make a pizza, kinda...
It;s subtle and doesen't have to be spelled out...

[JTH]

putting it in a spoiler tag cause it's negative

I'll respond to your last sentence of your spoiler, yes I am more than certain they all know how to make the character different than what he is. My question to you is what do you think his character is supposed to be in this show? Because I'm pretty sure they've made it VERY clear what he is.

So if you don't like it...well then I don't know what to tell you other than quit watching or just deal with it and move on. Because it's not changing, this is a Nickelodeon show and they want one of those trademark Nick characters, and whether you like it or not, Mikey fits the bill of that goofy Nickelodeon character that's going to be nothing but goofy and obscure.

[Technogeek29]

I'll respond to your last sentence of your spoiler, yes I am more than certain they all know how to make the character different than what he is. My question to you is what do you think his character is supposed to be in this show? Because I'm pretty sure they've made it VERY clear what he is.

So if you don't like it...well then I don't know what to tell you other than quit watching or just deal with it and move on. Because it's not changing, this is a Nickelodeon show and they want one of those trademark Nick characters, and whether you like it or not, Mikey fits the bill of that goofy Nickelodeon character that's going to be nothing but goofy and obscure.

And otherwords 2k12 is 2k2 2.0 Michelangelo. So of you didn't like the former look eslewhere. Fine by me I gave up on this version by the Mutated Mushroom episode.:tgrumble:

[BabyTurtles]

I'll respond to your last sentence of your spoiler, yes I am more than certain they all know how to make the character different than what he is. My question to you is what do you think his character is supposed to be in this show? Because I'm pretty sure they've made it VERY clear what he is.

So if you don't like it...well then I don't know what to tell you other than quit watching or just deal with it and move on. Because it's not changing, this is a Nickelodeon show and they want one of those trademark Nick characters, and whether you like it or not, Mikey fits the bill of that goofy Nickelodeon character that's going to be nothing but goofy and obscure.

again I don't mind Mikey being a silly kid/young brother, I thought it was a nice change and I loved him in the first season.

They treated him better, now Mikey has gone through the Bolin problem.
Mikey's no longer a positive character with heart, that has a crazy imagination.
He's a joke, not to be taken seriously.

It's not a change in his character that's bad it's HORRIBLE writing that's bad.

it doesn't matter how silly a character is....you can still write them into great characters, which they were able to do fine the first season.

They tried with all the other turtles, but they obviously don't try with Mikey.

your probably right about me stopping watching the show......it's just not that great anymore (at least to me)

[Coola Yagami]

again I don't mind Mikey being a silly kid/young brother, I thought it was a nice change and I loved him in the first season.

They treated him better, now Mikey has gone through the Bolin problem.
Mikey's no longer a positive character with heart, that has a crazy imagination.
He's a joke, not to be taken seriously.

It's not a change in his character that's bad it's HORRIBLE writing that's bad.

it doesn't matter how silly a character is....you can still write them into great characters, which they were able to do fine the first season.

They tried with all the other turtles, but they obviously don't try with Mikey.

your probably right about me stopping watching the show......it's just not that great anymore (at least to me)

You have to at least love the interrogation scene. It was silly, but Mikey was dead serious like '**** just got serious. Talk or die!'

[BabyTurtles]

You have to at least love the interrogation scene. It was silly, but Mikey was dead serious like '**** just got serious. Talk or die!'

not gonna lie that scene was hilarious. :lol:

but my point still stands! :oops:

[Metalwolf]

The story of how Pizza Face came to be....wow. So he just decided to taste something that was glowing on the ground just like that? And Pizza Face was actually going to eat everyone there? Plus, Mikey literally ate a man that used to be human. What was going on in this episode was more disturbing than it seemed.That was to my puzzlement as well. Nobody I know would think "Oh, there is this broken container on the ground, filled with glowing green mystery goo. I think I'm gonna eat some of it."

To be honest, Pizza Face was gonna eat other humans, despite the fact that he had been human himself. Eating him was a bit better to me then throwing him into a fire, which was what Mikey had done with some of the other pizza minions.

And the address the most recent idea of this thread, none of it was a dream. Pizzaface said that the people would go to their homes and forget all of what happened. Only Mikey remembered, but that is because he never ate any of the controlling pizzas.

[BabyTurtles]

That was to my puzzlement as well. Nobody I know would think "Oh, there is this broken container on the ground, filled with glowing green mystery goo. I think I'm gonna eat some of it."

To be honest, Pizza Face was gonna eat other humans, despite the fact that he had been human himself. Eating him was a bit better to me then throwing him into a fire, which was what Mikey had done with some of the other pizza minions.

And the address the most recent idea of this thread, none of it was a dream. Pizzaface said that the people would go to their homes and forget all of what happened. Only Mikey remembered, but that is because he never ate any of the controlling pizzas.

but he did.......he took a bite out of the pizza he was interrogating

[ObiWanFan4life]

Okay, two major leaps in logic I want to mention, why would Leo trust MIKEY to make a pizza by himself? And secondly, why did Antonio think that it was a good idea to use an unknown substance that fell from the sky and use it as an ingredient in the pizza?

[Vicky82]

I expect Leo knows that Mikey does the cooking which has been mentioned in other episodes. I don't no about Antonio, he probably just dumb but In Slash and Destroy the Pizza Delivery boy thought it was an energy drink and the little girl thought it was green tea.

But as we on topic. Anyone noticed the toppins for Mikey's homemade pizza.

Warning large pic

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bn79F7kIcAANWL-.png:large

There's a finger, a eyeball and a rat on his pizza and he ate it. :teek:

[MikeandRaph87]

I have not been able to see it yet,but please clear this up is Pizza Face sentient pizza or a deformed pizzeria chef?

[fridaynightdestination]

..........Mikey has had 4 episodes in a row about the same thing.

1)turtles don't listen to Mikey
2) Mikey saves the day
3) turtles realize they should be listening to Mikey
4).......turtles still don't listen to Mikey later...cue 3 more episodes about the same problem.

so no one has learned anything from Mikey's episodes 4 times in a row.

when IS Mikey going to learn something?? :ohwell:

Well in the episode where he became friends with Chris Bradford before learning he works for The Shredder and was a spy, he did kinda learn not to trust everybody you see, one of life's greatest lessons.

[CyberCubed]

I have not been able to see it yet,but please clear this up is Pizza Face sentient pizza or a deformed pizzeria chef?

Pizzaface was the human chef Antonio who was mutated into a pizza.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Not gonna lie, the episode did have some funny moments but I've seen funnier from Mikey before. The episode was at best....average in my opinion. Nice to see Irma again and Leo's new voice isn't that much different but still.

[BabyTurtles]

Well in the episode where he became friends with Chris Bradford before learning he works for The Shredder and was a spy, he did kinda learn not to trust everybody you see, one of life's greatest lessons.

New Friend Old Enemy
and
It Came from the Depths

were the best Mikey episodes :)

but that was waaaay back in the beginning of season 1
(Mikey's character seems to have regressed since then) :(

[ThatMarvelousGuy]

What a WTF episode, sooooo weird, I still kinda liked it though lol

[Vicky82]

I like Mikey and I like to see him in a more serious episode. But after watching the episode a few times it has grown on me, still not the best but it's a fun filler.

I wonder what IGN will give it. I'm keeping an eye out.

[CowabungaMikey]

I think Biggs is getting replaced.

''Having coffee with the new voice of #Leonardo on #tmnt #nickelodeon ! FYI, he looks nothing like a turtle...''

''Keep watching season 2 through the summer and there just might be more where that came from!''

''Thanks for the props! Keep tuning in for the rest of season 2 (hint hint).''

[blindturtle02]

Yeah I'm of the opinion that this wasn't a dream.

I was cleaning while watching but I loved the episode.

Go Ninja Go Ninja Go was nice. Loved the interogating scene and the naming bit.

Yeah, I also dug the naming and interrogation stuff. Some said Mikey seemed like a gangster while asking the questions, but to me he sort of felt like one of the CIA guys with the glasses and all. Especially if they were shades. Anyone else getting that Sunglasses At Night song lodged in your noodle?

I know I'm probably not suppose to be craving pizza after this episode, but I could really go for some. Well, as long as it doesn't start yelling at me, we're good.

I loled at Antonio being a little slow on the naming bit. "Because I got a pizza for a face!" Uh, yeah guy, you been in the kitchen a little too long! Wonder if he'll ever meet Fungus Humungous or perhaps some junior version. Those two seem like they'd become fast friends. And how is Pizzaface going to escape from Mikey's messy room? Maybe he'll accumulate more pizza portions over time. Having a sentient singing pizza in one's room just sounds all kinds of creepy. Here's hoping he makes it out with the garbage and lives to bake another day.

[AT-Man]

Pizza Face's voice and the talking pizzas were the best part, but this might just be the worst episode so far.

[Colonel Schrader]

Looking at that new Leo's tweets.. yup, he is the new Leonardo..

[CyberCubed]

Looking at that new Leo's tweets.. yup, he is the new Leonardo..

At least he sounds similar enough .

[Colonel Schrader]

At least he sounds similar enough .

sounded bad to me man, won't be the same.. wish there was an episode explaining the voice change.. like Leo hits puberty and his voice cracks.. or something like that. lol

[CowabungaMikey]

At least he sounds similar enough .

LHpdgHTINik

[electric_sheep]

0w5neFPat1w
Was this inspiration for the Great Mighty Pizza?

[TurtleTitan97]

I thought overall it was a pretty hilarious episode.:tlol: Fave part was the interrogation scene.

Also love the Triceritons reference.

[CyberCubed]

sounded bad to me man, won't be the same.. wish there was an episode explaining the voice change.. like Leo hits puberty and his voice cracks.. or something like that. lol

If nobody said anything I wouldn't be able to tell he was replaced. I think only one of his lines sounded off.

[Colonel Schrader]

If nobody said anything I wouldn't be able to tell he was replaced. I think only one of his lines sounded off.

might take some getting used to.. they probably lost biggs cause he is busy with that orange is the new black show, and he lives in NY, they record in LA, i think its been a problem for them and he was never at conventions etc..

Sean Astin is the next big celeb, I wonder if we will lose him down the line as well. :tcry:

[CyberCubed]

I wonder how Rob Paulsen feels.

[electric_sheep]

might take some getting used to.. they probably lost biggs cause he is busy with that orange is the new black show, and he lives in NY, they record in LA, i think its been a problem for them and he was never at conventions etc..

Sean Astin is the next big celeb, I wonder if we will lose him down the line as well. :tcry:


I would give them Astin if they cast him in the new Dardevil show as Foggy...

[Tazi]

Well, it was another filler episode I'm not enjoyed.

Mikey was way too much here, and besides Mikey there wasn't anything else. People complained about the fifth turtle concept before. Well, as things stand at the moment, I'd rather have only three turtles in this show....

[Coola Yagami]

I wonder how Rob Paulsen feels.

Why would he care?

Honestly though, I really couldn't tell the difference. Makes me wish that back in the OT whenever someone was missing they grabbed someone that could at least TRY to sound like the VA they're replacing.

[TurtleTitan97]

I would give them Astin if they cast him in the new Dardevil show as Foggy...

Not gonna lie... that actually sounds pretty awesome.:tcool:

[Keroscene]

Brilliant episode, probably one of the best of the series. It had everything I like best about TMNT - a crazy concept, ridiculous fight scenes and a lot of good jokes. It also had none of the fanwanky things that bore me stupid - so called "character development" (i.e. people crying and/or pretending to learn a lesson that they'll forget again the next episode) being one of them and endless Leo vs Raph tediousness being another.

The "filler episode" mentality drives me mad. So the only episodes that count are ones that pick up plots from the season's openings and finale? There's no room at all for stuff that doesn't directly relate to one or two specific plotlines? The way you guys are talking you'd think we were running out of time for those plots to move forward. We have YEARS to see who April does or doesn't date, to see what happens with Karai and to see what the Kraang do next. And since anyone half-awake can guess how those things will end anyway, what's the hurry?

I certainly prefer episodes like this that don't "move things forward," because the episodes that focus on moving things forward don't have Mikey torturing a sentient pizza or said pizzas demanding "EAT ME." It was gloriously unhinged.

[FoxBoxKid]

This is the first episode of this show that I did not find enjoyable. I didn't think it could go this low, this suddenly. The new movie looks better than this episode was. The next episode will probably be a lot better, but it's not next week, is it?

[electric_sheep]

Brilliant episode, probably one of the best of the series. It had everything I like best about TMNT - a crazy concept, ridiculous fight scenes and a lot of good jokes. It also had none of the fanwanky things that bore me stupid - so called "character development" (i.e. people crying and/or pretending to learn a lesson that they'll forget again the next episode) being one of them and endless Leo vs Raph tediousness being another.

The "filler episode" mentality drives me mad. So the only episodes that count are ones that pick up plots from the season's openings and finale? There's no room at all for stuff that doesn't directly relate to one or two specific plotlines? The way you guys are talking you'd think we were running out of time for those plots to move forward. We have YEARS to see who April does or doesn't date, to see what happens with Karai and to see what the Kraang do next. And since anyone half-awake can guess how those things will end anyway, what's the hurry?

I certainly prefer episodes like this that don't "move things forward," because the episodes that focus on moving things forward don't have Mikey torturing a sentient pizza or said pizzas demanding "EAT ME." It was gloriously unhinged.
YOu've just put my thoughts into words, thank you sir...
I mean how can you not love this? http://s29.postimg.org/8pjwvtr3b/image.jpg
Allso there were two south park references in that scene, probaby unintentional...

[Keroscene]

He's a joke, not to be taken seriously.

None of them are to be taken seriously, they're teenage mutant ninja turtles.

It's not a change in his character that's bad it's HORRIBLE writing that's bad.

It's a writing choice you don't like, not "bad writing." Can the episode be understood? Yes. Does it stand alone without explanation of previous stories? Yes. Did it have jokes which appealed to some people? Yes. Then it's not "bad writing" just because it doesn't contain things you want to see.

They tried with all the other turtles, but they obviously don't try with Mikey.

Absolutely ALL of Raphael's episodes have either dealt with his anger or his difficult relationship with his brothers. ALL of Leonardo's episodes have dealt with his fears around leadership or his feelings for Karai. ALL of Donatello's episodes have dealt with the fact that he's in his own head too much or has feelings for April. Mikey's character arcs are no more repetitive than anyone else's and it's not really a problem because this isn't supposed to be an in-depth examination of four personalities - if you want that stuff, try looking on AO3.

[Coola Yagami]

YOu've just put my thoughts into words, thank you sir...
I mean how can you not love this? http://s29.postimg.org/8pjwvtr3b/image.jpg
Allso there were two south park references in that scene, probaby unintentional...

Exactly. We need at least... a LITTLE padding. And this was basically a 'day-in-the-life' episode. And honestly, it just continued to show more of the aftermath of the Night the Mutagen Rained Down.

[drgon78]

I liked the episode mainly for the April and Irma part at the beginning and that Mikey was actually competent for most of the episode. Though I wish that it was actually a dream, but then that would ruin the fact Mikey did much better on his own then ever before.

[NoName999]

At least Mikey prove that he's just as competent a fighter as his brothers.

But other than that.... meh. Mikey wasn't really that funny. And really, why would the human who would become Pizza Face just eat something he found on the ground?

Yeah, this wasn't really a good episode. Not because it was silly. King of the Hill's A Firefighting We Will Go is a good example of a good, silly episode. This is was just bad silly episode.

[JTH]

I still wanna say it's only temporary.

I think they acknowledged it being this would be the first time his name would actually be credited in the role, despite doing several lines in the past, never getting the vocal credit for them.

Don't know and who knows.

Kinda wish Ciro was still around to break things like this. Unfortunate if true.

[nimajneb]

Loved this episode, I find the most comedy comes out of mikey stand alone eps like parasitical.
The animation was great too, lots of movie ref's which I loved.
Fantastic.

[Rooish]

I liked the animation of Mikey making pizza, but God this episode was awful. I know it's a kids' show and kids don't care, but continuity is good, character development is good... in my opinion. I don't like an episode that relies on the ick factor for its humour.

[JTH]

IGN Review of "Pizza Face":
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/18/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-pizza-face-review

While he does say it's the worst of the season and fairly unoriginal, Max does state that it was incredibly funny and was clearly directed to TMNT's new younger audience.

[Keroscene]

Max does state that it was incredibly funny and was clearly directed to TMNT's new younger audience.

First of all, I don't trust the opinion of someone who thinks something is "incredibly funny" and still doesn't rate it. Secondly by "TMNT's new younger audience," I assume he is referring to 99.9% of the audience, i.e. exactly the people that the show should be directed towards.

[JTH]

First of all, I don't trust the opinion of someone who thinks something is "incredibly funny" and still doesn't rate it. Secondly by "TMNT's new younger audience," I assume he is referring to 99.9% of the audience, i.e. exactly the people that the show should be directed towards.
He did rate it, did you even bother to click the link? :roll:

Answer: http://nocoastbias.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Ambrose-Nope.gif

[Keroscene]

He did rate it, did you even bother to click the link? :roll:

I did, but unfortunately your inaccurate summary that "he does say it's the worst of the season" stayed with me and I incorrectly thought I'd read it in the article.

[JTH]

I did, but unfortunately your inaccurate summary that "he does say it's the worst of the season" stayed with me and I incorrectly thought I'd read it in the article.
He does say it. The rating is the statement.

Plus you said he didn't rate, how does my "inaccurate summary" not allow to read a rating.

7.7

^^^
That's bigger than this?

[fridaynightdestination]

If if I have to see:
"My reaction to Pizza Face"
http://nocoastbias.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Ambrose-Nope.gif
One more time this will be me
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll5yzoMAcx1qall69.gif

[JTH]

If if I have to see:
"My reaction to Pizza Face"
http://nocoastbias.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Ambrose-Nope.gif
One more time this will be me
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll5yzoMAcx1qall69.gif
Oh I planned on that being my reaction, but I didn't want to go crazy. :D

[Keroscene]

Okay so first of all "he doesn't rate it" doesn't mean "he didn't give it a rating" where I come from. It means "he doesn't rate it as good." This is clearly a UK slang vs US slang thing.

But actually, this is my first time on IGN and no I didn't see the rating. Wanna know why?

http://i62.tinypic.com/anopec.png

[fridaynightdestination]

I feel as if CyberCubed and I are the only ones who like this episode, but oh well. When will the next episode air? I'm looking forward to the one called The Wrath of Tiger Claw

[CyberCubed]

This episode was much better than the Larp episode at any rate. That episode only had the fake Leatherhead scene going for it, this one was consistently funny.

Although it does make it obvious the mutagen turns people into whatever in this show with no logic. A guy mutated into a pizza makes that obvious.

[Rukitron]

This episode left a bit to be desired. I'm sad Pizza Face is Antonio, the guy seems to have a pizza chain all over New York in the show rather than something else like a pizza chef who can't cook or something. Human Pizza Face could have even resembled the 80s one minus some of the crazier deformities..

Also seeing recycled human Vic model as a pizza zombie was kinda weird... They could have recolored it or make the clothes look a little different...

[JTH]

This episode was much better than the Larp episode at any rate. That episode only had the fake Leatherhead scene going for it, this one was consistently funny.

Although it does make it obvious the mutagen turns people into whatever in this show with no logic. A guy mutated into a pizza makes that obvious.
I wouldn't say it's "no logic".

It's still based on the 80s cartoon with it being based on contact with most recent organism, but this show twisted it and took it a step further and made it the most recent thing period.

Which definitely opens the door in terms of creativity.

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. That was an interesting episode. I was worried that the pizza kid would turn into Pizza Face, but luckily it was the chef and not the kid. I loved the episode with the movie references and Mikey saying, "Go Ninja Go Ninja Go!" again. Also loved how he got the pizza from the storm drain, though I was waiting for the kid to go, "Where's 122 and an eight?" I don't know if it was really a dream or not, but I'm just going to go by the logic that it really happened in some form and that we'll be seeing Pizza Face again. Also loved seeing Irma and have a feeling she's going to meet the Turtles soon. Also loved Mikey's interrogation techniques and the fire reflected in his shades as well as the Triceratons reference. I wondered what was on the phone but couldn't see it properly for me to really look.

And the Leo replacement wasn't that bad, but I do hope it's only a temp thing as I think Jason does a good job as Leo and would hate to see him replaced permanently. Overall, a really good episode. Can't wait for the next one. See you in two weeks, guys.

[JTH]

I also laughed at the Mikey/Zombie April scene, April's drone voice gave me a Beast Boy/Raven vibe during that chat. :lol:

[fridaynightdestination]

One thing that disappointed me about this episode is that at first Michelangelo was finally the hero for once, then it turned out to be a dream. Oh well.

Wait, this is my 300th post? You all know what that means!
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090218131048/uncyclopedia/images/7/77/What_is_Sparta.gif
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1236275/sparta-bear-o.gif
And here is the sexy villain from the underrated sequel 300: Rise of an Empire
http://24.media.tumblr.com/c3373a105180b79fdb4e43241c596f00/tumblr_mlmtfsZRU41r8dnslo1_1280.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Guys the episode wasn't a dream. Pretty easy to figure that out.

[electric_sheep]

One thing that disappointed me about this episode is that at first Michelangelo was finally the hero for once, then it turned out to be a dream. Oh well.

Wait, this is my 300th post? You all know what that means!
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090218131048/uncyclopedia/images/7/77/What_is_Sparta.gif
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1236275/sparta-bear-o.gif
And here is the sexy villain from the underrated sequel 300: Rise of an Empire
http://24.media.tumblr.com/c3373a105180b79fdb4e43241c596f00/tumblr_mlmtfsZRU41r8dnslo1_1280.jpg
Did everyone missed the ending where it turned out that it wasn't a dream?
And 300 sequel was better than it had any right to be it was really good actualy...

[fridaynightdestination]

Well, everyone thinks it is a dream. That makes it even more sad

[BabyTurtles]

Guys the episode wasn't a dream. Pretty easy to figure that out.

uhh...that would mean Mikey ate a mutated human pizza.....
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130212144517/glee/images/b/b9/Ew.gif

that's just--no that's disgusting.

[CyberCubed]

Well he didn't eat ALL of him, as there was a slice of Pizza face left.

[electric_sheep]

Well he didn't eat ALL of him, as there was a slice of Pizza face left.

But was that his intestines that was chewing on?
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[fridaynightdestination]

uhh...that would mean Mikey ate a mutated human pizza.....
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130212144517/glee/images/b/b9/Ew.gif

that's just--no that's disgusting.

Well it was that or him and his brothers get turned into pizza zombies, he didn't have much of a choice.

[The Sports Warrior]

I hate to say it but I found this episode embarrassingly bad. The show can appeal to younger audiences without being that goofy. No disrespect to anyone who liked it. I enjoy goofy stuff but IMO this episode just layered it on way too thick so seemed to lack substance. I think I've just come to expect a lot from the show as I've quite consistently been pleasantly surprised by the quality of most episodes. For example, when I saw promos for 'Mikey gets shellacne' I thought it would be lame filler, but instead we got some decent core villain appearances and the introduction of Rahzar. Upon hearing about this episode I assumed it would be lame filler and in spite of a few laughs, it was.

[Refractive Reflections]

uhh...that would mean Mikey ate a mutated human pizza.....
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130212144517/glee/images/b/b9/Ew.gif

that's just--no that's disgusting.

Well Mikey ate part of a cat with Ice Cream Kitty (by licking and slurping it), so it's not like Mikey is above eating mutated animals even when they are currently alive.

[BabyTurtles]

Well Mikey ate part of a cat with Ice Cream Kitty (by licking and slurping it), so it's not like Mikey is above eating mutated animals even when they are currently alive.

I'm starting to believe Mikey's going to have a secondary mutation. :ohwell:
with the way he's eating mutated stuff lately.

[DONATELLO DUZMACHINES]

As far as filler episodes go I really enjoyed this one. It was light and with some great homage to old school zombie flicks.I know that it proably didnt have the substance and characterization that everyone wanted but it was fun, and sometimes thats just what you need IMO.

[Cure]

I enjoyed this episode for what it is. It was really fun, and seeing Michelangelo fight with his flashy style is always great.

[Crynal]

I assume this episode is also a nod to the obscure pizza face toy made for the 1980's series, but he never was in any tmnt episode, until now that is.

Wonder how many new characters/mutants this potentially opens up (even if the episode was or wasn't a dream)?

[electric_sheep]

On what logic does this mutagen work? Sometimes it's the last thing that you touch, sometimes it's the last person that you touch and sometimes you don't have to touch anything...

[ShredderX633]

I honestly didn't really hate nor love this episode. I thought Parasitica and Mazes and Mutants were worse and thought Pizzaface was actually an interesting character. I wonder if he will get a figure and how it would be executed if they do.

[CyberCubed]

I assume this episode is also a nod to the obscure pizza face toy made for the 1980's series, but he never was in any tmnt episode, until now that is.


You assume? The shows writers were blatantly aware of the Pizzaface toy from the 80's they just totally redesigned him. You think its a coincidence that they named a character, "pizzaface" in this show?

That's like saying the name Chrome Dome was a coincidence for the robot Bradford armor, when they knew it was the name of a robot character hence them using it.

[victory_angel]

Anyone note that it looked like Raph was drinking Strawberry flavored Ramune in the episode?

[OrangeNinja1987]

I rarely hate an episode, but I've got to say, I completely loathe this one, along with the episode where April finds out she's a mutant (forgot its name).
Here are the only parts I liked:
1. Mikey accidentally taking a picture of his eyeball
2. Pretending to be a zombie
3. Interrogating the pizza
4. Fighting over himself on whether or not to eat the pizza.
5. Singing "Kitty, kitty, kitty" with ICK
6. Chanting "Go ninja, go ninja, go." I like that it's a recurring thing he does.
7. The reappearance of the duct-taped teddy Leatherhead tore up.
Everything else sucked. Leonardo had a different voice actor this episode and it really bothers me when shows do that and so it took my focus away from the story (even though the VA was fairly good). Then the plot was extremely stupid. Why would Antonio eat the mutagen and then why would he eat humans? There could have been a more logical way to mutate him if the writers had tried with this episode.
Mikey was pretty funny in this episode, but I'd love to see him in a more serious episode. Mikey needs to be more than a joke character, even though he is often extremely funny, but is probably the least developed turtle. But I disagree with people who say he brings nothing to the team. Here's why he's important:
1. He is the most compassionate turtle and likes to help people.
2. Got Leatherhead to side with the turtles
3. Very energetic
4. Never gives up
5. He cheers his brothers up
6. Has saved his brothers in both Pizza Face and Parasitica
7. He's also very trusting, but that is sometimes a bad quality for him.
8. Sometimes he distracts the villains while his brothers sneak up on them
9. Is a pretty strong fighter.
10. He can do things on his own, as shown in most of the Mikey-centric episodes.
11. In Rise of the Turtles, he was the one that found the first pizza the turtles ever ate. ...Come on, you gotta give me that one!

I hope the replacement for Jason Biggs is only temporary, which it probably is. I'm hoping the next episodes get back on the plot and focus on already introduced characters. Michelangelo's character has strayed from how he is in season 1. I think season 1 Mikey is a more useful, serious character but in season 2 he's become a jokey character.
Just a plain stupid, gross episode. But I managed to find little parts that were enjoyable.
I really enjoyed the end when they found out it was a dream. It probably really happened but I'm going to convince myself this all happened in Mikey's head. It did seem like a dream, the strange and illogical things that happened.
What I would really, really enjoy seeing is the pizza delivery kid deciding he's tired of being kidnapped/controlled by mutants and starts taking martial arts classes, with his name later revealed to be Keno. It's a long shot but I hope it happens someday. :D

[victory_angel]

What I found weird is if Antonio was mutated during the mutagen rain. Then why wasn't this episode put in earlier. I mean, the Turtles habitually eat Antonio's pizza. And in wormquake Mikey says "Aw yeah...Antonio's".

[CyberCubed]

I don't understand the hate this episode is getting. Its almost as if everyone has lost their sense of humor. It was consistently funny and reminded me of the more wacky Teen Titans episodes that focused on Beast Boy, which makes sense as Greg Cripes voiced BB and Ciro Nieli worked on Teen Titans.

Why do you guys accept the more wacky Teen Titans episodes but not on TMNT?

[electric_sheep]

I don't understand the hate this episode is getting. Its almost as if everyone has lost their sense of humor. It was consistently funny and reminded me of the more wacky Teen Titans episodes that focused on Beast Boy, which makes sense as Greg Cripes voiced BB and Ciro Nieli worked on Teen Titans.

Why do you guys accept the more wacky Teen Titans episodes but not on TMNT?

I don't get it either, all "Charachter development" episodes are the same and they forget what they learn by the next episode so what's the point? I wan't them to make more episodes like this, embrase the wierd...

[Powder]

Really didn't care for this episode.

[NinjaPug]

Wasn't a fan at all. Didn't find it funny like others in the thread did.

At least there wasn't a big distinction between Biggs and the new Leo voice actor in case this is a permanent change.

[snake]

I don't understand the hate this episode is getting. Its almost as if everyone has lost their sense of humor. It was consistently funny and reminded me of the more wacky Teen Titans episodes that focused on Beast Boy, which makes sense as Greg Cripes voiced BB and Ciro Nieli worked on Teen Titans.

Why do you guys accept the more wacky Teen Titans episodes but not on TMNT?

It was alright. I just didn't like all the bad Mikey humor.

[BabyTurtles]

I don't understand the hate this episode is getting. Its almost as if everyone has lost their sense of humor. It was consistently funny and reminded me of the more wacky Teen Titans episodes that focused on Beast Boy, which makes sense as Greg Cripes voiced BB and Ciro Nieli worked on Teen Titans.

Why do you guys accept the more wacky Teen Titans episodes but not on TMNT?

okay fine.

BB had that Tofu taking over the world episode...
Mikey has this pizza taking over the world episode.

we have completed the legacy, let's now move on to Mikey getting some deep stories like BB and terra.

[Zulithe]

For me it's just things like the way over the top gross pizza (with a rat/mouse on it... spinter am cry, plus eyeballs etc.) and Mikey eating Pizza Face just felt out of place within the Nick universe to me. Just really feel like it went too far.

And yeah I know it was a Rin & Stimpy reference, I grew up watching that show. But the difference is... in R&S those kinds of gross jokes are a part of just about every episode... it works perfectly within that universe. But the thought of Mikey really eating an eyeball and mouse/rat pizza? No... just no.

Yes this is a show with mutant turtles and other mutated animals, aliens, super advanced technology, super amazingly skilled ninjas and teenage girls that can learn martial arts in just a few weeks/months BUT I just feel like that is on a different level than rather a character can eat a living pizza (that was human shortly before) literally the same size or bigger than him... to me, one category is a type of hyper stylized sci-fi... and the other is just GOOFY to the extreme... I wish we had a lot less of the later in this show.

[The Big Bad]

I've come to the conclusion that this show works best when it doesn't have to worry about being dramatic or consistent and can just focus on being silly. It makes it much easier to ignore the (many) iffy parts and focus on the good--the fantastic production values. Still, we've seen this basic story before, and I could see why some would feel this iteration doesn't work. But I enjoyed it.

[oldmanwinters]

Good gracious... Mikey ATE the main villain. That was unexpected but hilarious.

[Zulithe]

I've come to the conclusion that this show works best when it doesn't have to worry about being dramatic or consistent and can just focus on being silly. It makes it much easier to ignore the (many) iffy parts and focus on the good--the fantastic production values. Still, we've seen this basic story before, and I could see why some would feel this iteration doesn't work. But I enjoyed it.

I get your feelings. I think any fanbase has to deal with that. When you really like something you can overlook or accept the aspects of it that aren't to your liking. You will see that in any fandom I'd wager.

I wouldn't say I ignore the parts that I feel fall below a certain threshold of my expectations... I do like to speak up about it sometimes... but as a fan you need to have a lot of understanding and the ability to roll with it... you have to or you're just gonna end up hating everything :P The time tested philosophy of "take the good with the bad"

I guess the real question for me is... at what point does the bad outweigh the good and it's time to give up? I don't think TMNT is nearing that point yet. In fact it has a long ways to reach that point IMO. But if we keep getting episodes of this quality... look, I liked Pizzaface as a character, the animation and everything was spot on... but man these scripts need some serious work lately.

The fact that we may be losing Biggs (not fully confirmed yet... but it's upsetting that NOBODY from the staff is commenting on this despite being asked) is also not a good sign to me.

[CyberCubed]

okay fine.

BB had that Tofu taking over the world episode...
Mikey has this pizza taking over the world episode.

we have completed the legacy, let's now move on to Mikey getting some deep stories like BB and terra.

That's exactly the episode I was thinking of too.

Plus in that episode Cyborg eats the Tofu villain, just like Mikey ate pizzaface.

[Luckyday]

That's exactly the episode I was thinking of too.

Plus in that episode Cyborg eats the Tofu villain, just like Mikey ate pizzaface.

I always thought that episode felt reminiscent to a short story fan fiction.

[Garfield]

I get your feelings. I think any fanbase has to deal with that. When you really like something you can overlook or accept the aspects of it that aren't to your liking. You will see that in any fandom I'd wager.

I wouldn't say I ignore the parts that I feel fall below a certain threshold of my expectations... I do like to speak up about it sometimes... but as a fan you need to have a lot of understanding and the ability to roll with it... you have to or you're just gonna end up hating everything :P The time tested philosophy of "take the good with the bad"



I don't think anyone needs to just roll with it.

Nick TMNT can be glaringly inconsistent a lot of the time in writing and tone. I think it’s okay to be bothered by that because it’s so blatant. Simple things like *everyone that eats mutated pizza gets mind controlled, Mike eats mutated pizza and nothing happens* would bother the heck out of me if I took this episode as more than a wacky funny time, which some episodes want you to. The reason I liked this episode is because it was consistent in it's tone. It was completely outrageous and it didn't try to be anything else. Personally I think Nick TMNT would be better if it just never took itself seriously because it's so much better at being wacky and funny than being consistent.

[Creativecreature31]

Just one thing that I just don't understand is why would anyone think that this episode was a dream?

I mean why the heck would Irma be in Mikey's dream if he hasn't even met her yet?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ooooo-kaaay.... This was just- weird. Funny, to be sure, but VERY WEIRD. And kinda sick on several levels. Loved seeing ICK again. Leo didn't really sound much different, but I really hope they're not replacing him permanently. As for the rest- it was way over-the-top, although I loved the humor. Still not one of the better episodes, but meh, I can live with it.

[Electric]

Not a fan of this episode. Couldn't take it very seriously, and I agree with others that this had a very goofy joking feel to it, as opposed to normal Scifi feel.

Just couldn't get into this episode. Maybe I was too distracted by Leo's voice change, which I am not a fan of at all. Really hope jason stays or they bring in someone else to replace him :ohwell:

But i did like seeing Irma again! And she's getting even more curious about Aprils "secret friends"

[Wildcat]

Wow all the hate. I really enjoyed this episode and Im very much against Mikey's over humorous personality in the Nick series. It was a fun episode and actually kinda creepy. Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!

The calzones and mind control were, I assume, a reference to Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The only thing I didn't like was that Antonio would just pick up any item he found out back and use it as a new ingredient. No one would taste random garbage like that.

Here where I live there is actually a local pizza place that used to be called Pizza-Rama but it was changed to Tony's a few years ago.

[CowabungaMikey]

Wow all the hate. I really enjoyed this episode and Im very much against Mikey's over humorous personality in the Nick series. It was a fun episode and actually kinda creepy. Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!

The calzones and mind control were, I assume, a reference to Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The only thing I didn't like was that Antonio would just pick up any item he found out back and use it as a new ingredient. No one would taste random garbage like that.

Here where I live there is actually a local pizza place that used to be called Pizza-Rama but it was changed to Tony's a few years ago.

I totally agree! I don't think this is the worst episode of the new TMNT. That honor will go to ''The Kraang Conspiracy''. Still not great, but decent, maybe even good.

[darthwahl56]

Mikey ate Pizza Face. That was awesome. Now I want a Pizza Face figure for this show. He looked like Pizza the Hut from Spaceballs and in fact had a similar death. This was a pretty funny episode, pretty odd but funny and very mikey. It was also funny that he beat up his brothers.

[Refractive Reflections]

The fact that we may be losing Biggs (not fully confirmed yet... but it's upsetting that NOBODY from the staff is commenting on this despite being asked) is also not a good sign to me.

Even if we could contact Ciro here on these forums or anyone else in production, I'm sure at the very most any of them could give us is a cryptic answer because if Biggs is being let go, Nick would want to do it as quietly as possible (thus issuing a gag order on the production staff) rather than bringing attention to it (and in the process, reopening and giving more attention to the public remarks Biggs made). If this is the way how things have occurred, we'll probably only know the full story of what happened behind the scenes when the Nick series is over then.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

why didn't Jason Biggs voice Leo in this ep?

[Colonel Schrader]

I don't understand the hate this episode is getting. Its almost as if everyone has lost their sense of humor. It was consistently funny and reminded me of the more wacky Teen Titans episodes that focused on Beast Boy, which makes sense as Greg Cripes voiced BB and Ciro Nieli worked on Teen Titans.

Why do you guys accept the more wacky Teen Titans episodes but not on TMNT?

agree with you, it was a great episode, very funny. only thing i did not like was the voice of leo.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I am not sure I will be able to watch the show if Jason no longer voices Leo. Hopefuly it was just for that ep.

[BubblyShell22]

I think it was only a temporary change, but we really won't know. I would think it would be more to the point that Jason is also working on his show "Orange is the New Black" and was probably doing that at the time that the episode was being recorded or he was taking care of his pregnant wife. I think people are jumping to conclusions way too early. Dominic has voiced Leo not only in the video game but has voiced him in a few other episodes of season two though they were only a few lines. Jason voiced Leo in the rest of the episodes, so I wouldn't worry about it just yet.

[Metalwolf]

I'm thinking that if he wasn't in the main cast header but listed as a guest (if I'm remembering correctly) then it's likely temporary. Plus Biggs might be out for a while if his wife did give birth, since he'd be wanting to spend time with her and the baby. As such, I think Domenic's just there until Bigg's is ready to start voicing again.

[oldmanwinters]

He looked like Pizza the Hut from Spaceballs and in fact had a similar death.

Upon seeing him, that was my immediate thought as well! Almost surprised Mikey didn't make that joke as well.

[nimajneb]

I loved this episode so much,
but so much negativity for it here - Its nice to have some stand alones where after a few heavy eps we have a nice funny one.
Think it came out at the right time.
my wife and I were in histerics, especially the selfie - that got a full on bellow from my wife.
One for all the family this one, so many movie references too.

[Atren]

I hated this episode. It felt it was array of funny (subjectively not for me, but as I read some like) moments without consistency not only with rest of the series, but also with episode itself. While Mikey is not my favorite turtle...if he was I would hope he never gets another focus episode again if this is what it will be.

[Jon_Talbain]

I still can't get over Antonio eating a foreign substance that just fell from the sky. If it had been an accident, I could have sympathized more. Was his business starting to fail and he needed a secret ingredient to get back on his feet? They could have written a better reason that he would just eat something off the ground, or something that fell from the sky.

Plus, he was called a humble man. Why did he suddenly want to turn people into pizza zombies and eat them? There are more and more people that just suddenly turn evil when mutated with no explanation.

[VaughnMichael]

I liked this episode quite a bit and am considering downloading it from iTunes.
I've only done that with the Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman btw.
I think I liked this one so much because I was expecting to really hate it based on the previews and commercials we got.
Mikey was really funny in this one and I felt he shined quite a bit.
He's the youngest of the turtles so of course he's going to be immature.
The pizza Mikey made was disgusting as all hell though.
I didn't really care for how the pizzas flew around though but I guess they needed them to get around some how.
I really liked the pizza head zombies though.
I think one of the coolest things about this episode is that it has so many pop culture references in it.
Is it me or did the mini pizzas have a different voice actor than Pizza Face?
I was thinking they sounded a bit like Gilbert Gottfried.
When I first saw the design of Pizza Face at comicon I hated it, but seeing it animated it really makes me want a toy of this guy.
And that animated mutation scene was great! It almost reminded me of Clay Face from Batman.
Over all as a fan of just about every incarnation of the TMNT I have to say this one really has a lot of old toon love going on in it.

[The Sports Warrior]

Ok, I was just thinking today; some say this episode was a dream and some say it wasn't. I'm not super worried about if it was or not, but I do have a question. The reasons I can see for it NOT being a dream are:

1. How did Mikey's dream have Irma in it when they have not met.

2. Pizza Face was in Mikey's room at the end.

However, If it wasn't a dream, What could have happened for it to go from 'Mikey is knocked by Pizza Face slice' to 'Mikey wakes up in bed with no real memory of how he got there and no one has any idea he was anywhere other than in bed'
I hope I'm making sense... If it was real, why did Pizza Face attack him and then they all just suddenly end up in Mikey's room?

[shinefra]

Ok so I was kind of excited because Pizza face was a Character who never appeared in the series nor in the comics also he was one of my favorite figures, and what a disappointment it was to see him as a stereo typical pizza monster. It would have been so much cooler to see him part pizza part human.

So far I think this one and Spider bites are the worst mutant designs.

The episode for it self was goofy but still kinda fun.

[Guitar_Raph]

If Greg Cipes doesn't win anything for that performance, they're deaf!

Best episode ever! Gotta like a solo Mikey episode

Best part was when he was singing while cooking! Raph got annoyed with his song. At least Mikey didn't sing this song...

b0TBC6hE-Wg

There hasn't been a pizza themed episode since Jonas seen on Disney Channel 5 years ago!

[fridaynightdestination]

If Greg Cipes doesn't win anything for that performance, they're dedaf!

Best episode ever! Gotta like a solo Mikey episode

Best part was when he was singing while cooking! Raph got annoyed with his song. At least Mikey didn't sing this song...

b0TBC6hE-Wg

There hasn't been a pizza themed episode since Jonas seen on Disney Channel 5 years ago!


Please do not remind us of the garbage that was that show, no offense.

[Jeff]

Speaking of "garbage of a show," how about this episode, huh? By far the worst episode of the series so far. It had the same formula and cliches as several other episode in the series like "Parasitica" or the one where the tripped on shrooms...I can't remember the name.

I'm not even going to bother with everything that was wrong with this episode because I'm sure its been touched on in this thread (haven't read every post), and at this point its not really worth it, BUT the one thing I did want to point out was that the whole reason Mikey wasn't affected by Pizza Face's power or magic or whatever the hell it was, was because he DIDN'T eat any of the affected pizzas. Yet, the way he defeated Pizza Face was by...eating him...

Its just.....bad. Everything about it was irredeemably awful.

[Mondo_Gecko]

I rarely post anymore but after this episode, I felt I had to.

I'll join the consensus, that this was terrible. More so then that, I was actually disturbed. Yes, I know that it is a cartoon and thematically this was supposed to inflict a goofy/silly tone but that still doesn't take away that Mikey ate somebody who was once human. If it had been an non sentient pizza monster, ok, but this was once a man who was then transformed into a mutant. Living pizza, or not, there was something wrong with that.

Tonally, and as a story it was all over the map. BabyTurtles was right, this is now the xth Mikey episode where he is treated as a joke. Maybe I'm biased because Mikey was always my fav but seriously, the 80s version is more dimensional.

And as a final nitpick, I never thought I'd say this but I'm done with the mutants on this show. Mutagen is whatever the writers want it to be. And I'm sick of it. When they want an actual character we get TigerClaw, Neutrailizer and Slash. Otherwise it's giant mushrooms, pizza monsters, squirrels gestating out of stomachs, not to mention inconsistent mutations such as Dr. Rockwell or Kirby where they become mindless monsters devoid of the intelligence they once had.

Ciro obviously brought in Mutagen so he could play monster mash.

[Jeff]

Filler =/= bad. I wish people got that mindset out of their heads.

That's true...but Filler =/= always good, either, and "Pizza Face" was bad AND filler. Which is all too common in this series.

[CyberCubed]

More so then that, I was actually disturbed. Yes, I know that it is a cartoon and thematically this was supposed to inflict a goofy/silly tone but that still doesn't take away that Mikey ate somebody who was once human. If it had been an non sentient pizza monster, ok, but this was once a man who was then transformed into a mutant. Living pizza, or not, there was something wrong with that.

Did you even watch the show? Mikey didn't eat all of Pizzaface. The slice of Pizza at the end of the episode was Pizzaface. He did not die.

Tonally, and as a story it was all over the map. BabyTurtles was right, this is now the xth Mikey episode where he is treated as a joke. Maybe I'm biased because Mikey was always my fav but seriously, the 80s version is more dimensional.

How was he a joke?

And as a final nitpick, I never thought I'd say this but I'm done with the mutants on this show. Mutagen is whatever the writers want it to be. And I'm sick of it. When they want an actual character we get TigerClaw, Neutrailizer and Slash. Otherwise it's giant mushrooms, pizza monsters, squirrels gestating out of stomachs, not to mention inconsistent mutations such as Dr. Rockwell or Kirby where they become mindless monsters devoid of the intelligence they once had.

The giant mushroom gave us one of the best episodes of the series, and the Squirrelnoids was a creepy and fun episode. The mindless monsters are kept to a minimum story-wise like Kirby-bat.

[Jeff]

Did you even watch the show? Mikey didn't eat all of Pizzaface. The slice of Pizza at the end of the episode was Pizzaface. He did not die.

that was shoehorned in there so that this argument could end with people like you saying "hes still alive!" the whole thing doesn't matter, the plot was ****, nothing made sense, and nothing matters.

[CyberCubed]

that was shoehorned in there so that this argument could end with people like you saying "hes still alive!" the whole thing doesn't matter, the plot was ****, nothing made sense, and nothing matters.

Pizzaface is alive, that's why he was there at the end. Should the writers ever use him again, that's why he was shown.

[MrTMNT2012]

You can tell they had a lot of fun with this one and atleast for me, I thought it translated to the screen extremely well!

Really enjoyed this one, tons of references and clever moments. Just wish we got more character & plot development but it was nice nonetheless! :)

Mikey is still a badass.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Did you even watch the show? Mikey didn't eat all of Pizzaface. The slice of Pizza at the end of the episode was Pizzaface. He did not die.

That's semantics. Whether he was left "alive" so people like yourself would say that, it still doesn't take away that Mikey ate somebody. It was a disturbing image, despite him being a pizza monster, he was once a human being. Would it be ok if Mikey ate Dogpound or Fishface?



How was he a joke?

In this iteration, Mikey is portrayed as an idiot. It's bad enough in the less centric Mikey episodes, but for him, again, to be dismissed by his brothers, treated like a joke. Not only is it bad and lazy writing but there's no development or progression for the character.




The giant mushroom gave us one of the best episodes of the series, and the Squirrelnoids was a creepy and fun episode. The mindless monsters are kept to a minimum story-wise like Kirby-bat.

My point is that Kirby and Rockwell aren't characters and so they are throwaway mindless monsters until the story needs them. Kirby could have been just as tragic if he retained his personality. The Turtles still would have wanted to cure him. Again, it's lazy writing. That's my point, I don't like the inconsistent mutagen. It's lazy. It's clear to me, Ciro just wanted monsters. With regards to the squirrels, there's no reason they couldn't have been aliens. But the mutagen has become a hodgepodge gumbo, and I'm tired of it. I expected more from this show.

[CyberCubed]

The fact that this episode has inspired such anger and hate in people is bizarre. Some of you really should lighten up. Now I know what Ciro meant when he said, "Go out and enjoy life."

I never knew a single episode could cause people to form such vehement hatred.:lol:

[Donatello19]

I forgot to post my thoughts on this episode yesterday...all in all I thought it was pretty funny and a nice change of pace. Really hate Leo's new voice though, that better not be a permanent change. BTW, did anyone else see they re-used Vic's (Spider Bytez before he was mutated) model with the pizza over his face as one of the "zombies"? Oh, and it was nice to see Irma again. So yeah, just a nice, fun episode IMO.

[CyberCubed]

Can anyone screencap Spiderbitez human form? Didn't catch it.

[Jephael]

Not a bad episode, though I gotta admit I'm a little disappointed they didn't actually use a more humanoid model design resembling the action figure. Instead they basically ripped off Mel Brook's Pizza the Hut character from Spaceballs.

[Coola Yagami]

Can anyone screencap Spiderbitez human form? Didn't catch it.

That's impossible. The not-Vic model was the one that even smacked Mikey to the roof. He was basically front and center.

I do see where people are coming from with Mikey eating Pizzaface. Him being alive as a slice of pizza (how does that even work? Pizza Face was a giant slice of pizza, how would one perfect slice cut itself away from that?) doesn't change the fact that Mikey ate a human. Saying 'it's ok cuz he's alive' is like someone taking a bite out of your arm and saying 'no biggie, you're still alive'.

But I think this is one of those times in cartoons you're supposed to turn your brain off, not 'think too much into it' and see it as something goofy as Mikey eating a giant talking pizza monster.

Of course thinking too much about it..... well that's almost as nasty as Shredder boiling them alive and eating giant-sized turtle soup....

[BabyTurtles]

That's impossible. The not-Vic model was the one that even smacked Mikey to the roof. He was basically front and center.

I do see where people are coming from with Mikey eating Pizzaface. Him being alive as a slice of pizza (how does that even work? Pizza Face was a giant slice of pizza, how would one perfect slice cut itself away from that?) doesn't change the fact that Mikey ate a human. Saying 'it's ok cuz he's alive' is like someone taking a bite out of your arm and saying 'no biggie, you're still alive'.

But I think this is one of those times in cartoons you're supposed to turn your brain off, not 'think too much into it' and see it as something goofy as Mikey eating a giant talking pizza monster.

Of course thinking too much about it..... well that's almost as nasty as Shredder boiling them alive and eating giant-sized turtle soup....

Mikey was pretty brutal this episode XD He was even the bad cop.

[Mondo_Gecko]

Not a bad episode, though I gotta admit I'm a little disappointed they didn't actually use a more humanoid model design resembling the action figure. Instead they basically ripped off Mel Brook's Pizza the Hut character from Spaceballs.

Jeph! Always nice to hear from you. It's like the old days. That was a disappointment for me as well. I loved the Pizzaface figure and thought he would have made an excellent nemesis in the old cartoon. And while I really liked Pizza face's voice here, the image of Mikey eating him was just too disturbing for me.

[Fjaj]

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on this episode:
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7027932928/hDD40AB01/

I thought this episode was terrible. I think this series is going downhill, as this is the second episode I haven't finished because I didn't like it, the other one being the ad for fantasy turtle action figures. I stopped watching this one around when they started the whole "they think he's lying" thing. It was just too tiring for me to watch.

[Slade]

Only thing I can say about this episode is that I didn't notice it wasn't Jason Biggs' voice for Leo and I actually thought Pizzaface sounded like Danny DeVito.

I didn't pay that much attention to the episode really. Thought it was pretty dumb.

[victory_angel]

You know, I'm starting to seriously wonder if that retromutagen Mikey doused himself with in "Mikey gets Shellacne" actually did something to Mikey's DNA. Cause we have that possible gag where there was a portal in the porta-potty that only Mikey was able to access in Metalhead rewired. And in this episode when he was going all "Bad Cop" on that pizza. At one point he rips a pepperoni off it and eats it but isn't affected. It could be that it's only the cheese has the effect on the eater. But maybe Mikey could be immune to pizza face because of the events in episode 5.

[BabyTurtles]

You know, I'm starting to seriously wonder if that retromutagen Mikey doused himself with in "Mikey gets Shellacne" actually did something to Mikey's DNA. Cause we have that possible gag where there was a portal in the porta-potty that only Mikey was able to access in Metalhead rewired. And in this episode when he was going all "Bad Cop" on that pizza. At one point he rips a pepperoni off it and eats it but isn't affected. It could be that it's only the cheese has the effect on the eater. But maybe Mikey could be immune to pizza face because of the events in episode 5.

pretty sure it's just for the laughs

but that would be a welcomed twist.

[CyberCubed]

I thought this episode was terrible. I think this series is going downhill, as this is the second episode I haven't finished because I didn't like it, the other one being the ad for fantasy turtle action figures. I stopped watching this one around when they started the whole "they think he's lying" thing. It was just too tiring for me to watch.

LOL, two episodes means the series is going downhill?

[Refractive Reflections]

The fact that this episode has inspired such anger and hate in people is bizarre. Some of you really should lighten up. Now I know what Ciro meant when he said, "Go out and enjoy life."

I never knew a single episode could cause people to form such vehement hatred.:lol:

http://blog.glamour.com/entertainment/blogs/obsessed/2013/01/24/tumblr_memoghJjOu1rbhwhho1_500.gif

Uh huh... (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1013484#post1013484)

[Shark_Blade]

Seen it finally. Here I go:

Yays/Lols :tlol:

- Irma appeared again! (Aww but she later got left behind alone.. :tcry:)
- Mikey centric episode. Some people tend to dislike it cause Nick is not taking a serious approach on him seriously, but I think that's part of his charm. Face it people, this is how Mikey really is in this universe. He's goofy, carefree and is serious when he needs to be. He won't change anytime soon, and the kids generally love how he is.
- April's "date" with Casey. Irma's not buying it and neither am I (cause we know Apritello is where it's at hehe).
- Mikey making pizza. I love how they showed in detail how it's done from rolling the dough, spreading the sauce..He's so lively and happily singing (nice voice too), it's infectious. And Ice Cream Kitty joined in too! (Kittykittykittykitty lol)
- TMNT 1 movie reference with the pizza delivery
- Mikey's fight segments
- Antonio being Pizza Face! I mean we only get to see his face on the pizza logo brand but hey, he's an actual character in this universe. That kinda amuses me - it's like Colonel Sanders from KFC suddenly being a character you interact with.



Nays :trolleye:

- Repeated use of same citizen models. I see the body of that lil girl Leo had tea with, SpiderBytez human body, the blonde girl, etc. But yeah this is a tv series animation, budgets and all. Understandable tbh.



Shocking/Bizarre moments :teek:

- pizza delivery guy crashed into Irma. WTF I thought she died for a moment but she seemed fine.
- Mikey's interrogation scene. When he's about to cruelly toss the pizza into the fireplace. I love the suggested brutality here.
- Mikey's homemade pizza has a ... dead rat??? An eyeball possibly from a fish.. and other weird stuff. Well, he's a mutant and they did eat algae and worms before so this is not so farfetched I guess.. and he's a growing teenager so... you go Mikey.
- Antonio tasting the mutagen. I guess the mutagen has a bizarre hypnotic attribute to it because people seems to want to consume it.. be it as tea, energy drink, secret pizza ingredient..
- Mikey eating Pizza Face. How can he stomach it all (literally)?

Overall

I enjoyed this episode very much. :D A 8.5/10

And I actually didn't realize Leo's changed voice until I see the end credits. He seems to be doing exceedingly fine in his role and I'm happy either way. :)

[ticktack]

'///':teek::trolleye::-?:tsweatdr::tshifty::tcouch::neutral:
so what's with those references to porn
I learn new words in the internet that doesn't interest me or don't go there to know things, so...
Bukakke
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/3040947/abandon-thread-o.gif

[blindturtle02]

If-- or should I say when, Pizzaface returns, I hope he teams up with another villain. I'd also love to see Shredder's reaction to this mutant. "What? A talking pizza? Stockman, I take it back! Those pigs and rhinos are starting to sound more reasonable!" Nah but seriously, this incarnation of Pizzaface definitely appeals to my inner child. I like my OT fig, but this was what I was expecting in the early 90's as a kid of about 7 or so. Ciro and co nailed him.

[JH24]

The fact that this episode has inspired such anger and hate in people is bizarre. Some of you really should lighten up. Now I know what Ciro meant when he said, "Go out and enjoy life."

I never knew a single episode could cause people to form such vehement hatred.:lol:

You can't just tell people to "lighten up" just because they don't like an episode. You can't force people to like it. I didn't like the episode either, not because it was badly made, just because for me personally it felt "way too out there", too forced, gross and because it wasn't really my kind of humor.

This doesn't mean the episode was bad (certainly not), just that everyone has his/her own preference of what they would like in an episode.


Besides, "Mazes and Mutants" was silly/crazy too, but I definitely enjoyed that one. It all depends on the person who is watching.

[blindturtle02]

I honestly thought you'd dislike this one, Cubed. You haven't been too thrilled with all the mutants lately. I'm not trying to be a smarta$$ or anything. I was seriously surprised you'd like this story. Cool beans. I went into it optimistic and wasn't disappointed. It would have been cool to see Pf more than just a bit in the 3rd act, although I liked that video game level boss vibe he seemed to give off. I'm a sucker for mutagencentric eps myself. You guys are talking to the fellow who used to mix up soap and water in the bathroom sink around 1990 as a kid of about 7 and pretend it was ooze.

Since I love horror movies, I have to say I enjoy the whole mutagen ick factor in this show. The humor is never unbearable, to me anyway. I just get down on my knees and thank God there are no Breadwinnerish fart jokes. Allot of the humor the show has to offer is actually rather dark and twisted if you think about it. EG Kirby regurgitating the rat carcass in Mutation Sitch and April Derp in Kraang Conspiracy. Sort of feels like the humor presented to viewers of the Return of The Living Dead films. Can't help but think some of the writers are gaga for 80's horror movies. Good on them!

[Mondo_Gecko]

Two days later, I think the thing I hate about this episode the most is I no longer have any affection or desire for pizza. I'm completely turned off. I hope my reaction passes as this is or was my favorite food.

I actually gave away a whole pizza last night. Once I opened the box, I just couldn't do it.

[BabyTurtles]

Two days later, I think the thing I hate about this episode the most is I no longer have any affection or desire for pizza. I'm completely turned off. I hope my reaction passes as this is or was my favorite food.

I actually gave away a whole pizza last night. Once I opened the box, I just couldn't do it.

I know that feel..........I'm still a little grossed out by that episode.....

[Leofan26]

The fact that this episode has inspired such anger and hate in people is bizarre. Some of you really should lighten up. Now I know what Ciro meant when he said, "Go out and enjoy life."

I never knew a single episode could cause people to form such vehement hatred.:lol:

Says the person who complains about the lack of humans over and over again.
You have a valid opinions, so do a lot of us.

I think the reason why some of us are frustrated me included is due to Mikey's lack of progression as a character, this episode didn't help much and in my opinion made him look worse. He adds some humor but not the kind I like :(

Over all the episode was so and so. I hope we get back to the actual plots though soon.

[CyberCubed]

Two days later, I think the thing I hate about this episode the most is I no longer have any affection or desire for pizza. I'm completely turned off. I hope my reaction passes as this is or was my favorite food.

I actually gave away a whole pizza last night. Once I opened the box, I just couldn't do it.

If a cartoon really traumatized you over eating pizza I'm saddened for you.

[DarkLightDragon]

The fact that you take people's dislike for anything about this series so personally is the real saddening thing.

[shinefra]

Man I must say i don't know which origin is more stupid Tempestra's or Pizza face. :ohwell:

[shinefra]

The fact that you take people's dislike for anything about this series so personally is the real saddening thing.

I agree ;)

This guy complains about Baxter's back story and thinks pizza face is ok? Really?

So lets just leave it to every body has a different opinion on stuff

I really thought that they could have made something way better with pizza face but they choose the laziest way using a generic monster character.

[Jeff]

Two days later, I think the thing I hate about this episode the most is I no longer have any affection or desire for pizza. I'm completely turned off. I hope my reaction passes as this is or was my favorite food.

I actually gave away a whole pizza last night. Once I opened the box, I just couldn't do it.

you have deeper issues than disliking the episode if it affected you that much.

[Jeff]

If a cartoon really traumatized you over eating pizza I'm saddened for you.

this might be the first smart thing youve said

[Mondo_Gecko]

If a cartoon really traumatized you over eating pizza I'm saddened for you.

Cubed, I don't even know how to respond to you or your statement. You've proven to be one of the most hypocritical persons ever. You're the person that throws a hissy fit at the very idea of change or your own wild speculation. Not to mention "Bebop being white" syndrome where you more less equate that theory to a plague on the Earth and you have have the nerve to tell myself and several other posters to "lighten up" and "get a life" I'm utterly speechless. I'm convinced you truly don't get it, so I will end it there.

[CyberCubed]

I don't get how anyone can be grossed out from eating pizza because of this episode. Maybe for 7 year old kids I might understand, but fully grown adults?

[Mondo_Gecko]

you have deeper issues than disliking the episode if it affected you that much.

To both Cubed and Jeff.

No one needs to be saddened or speculate on my "deep issues"

Here is the thing, have you ever experienced any form of media where a character eats or is witness to disgusting food, be it where the food is alive, bugs, roaches, rats etc and the image just turns you off? It is a pretty common occurrence for most people.

Well, when I saw those floating pizzas saying "Eat me! Eat me!" and then the episode culminated with Mikey eating himself out of a giant pizza monster, I was turned off the next day when I went to eat my favorite food.

Whether I have an over active imagination or not, the image turned me off, there's no need for anyone to feel saddened for or infer that I have deep issues. Thank you.

[Mondo_Gecko]

I don't get how anyone can be grossed out from eating pizza because of this episode. Maybe for 7 year old kids I might understand, but fully grown adults?

Well, as a counter point, I can't understand how someone who also claims to be a fully grown adult can throw a hissy fit on the idea of "Bebop being white" or opposing any change, then throwing a temper tantrum about it. It's bizarre. But to each there own.

[BabyTurtles]

I don't get how anyone can be grossed out from eating pizza because of this episode. Maybe for 7 year old kids I might understand, but fully grown adults?

that's not fair, Adults/teens over think things while kids don't (a few do)

so if we are more grossed out it's because we are thinking of all the disgusting parts in explicit detail....which makes us sick.

I was creeped out by Tim's mutations...I didn't just go "oh he turned into a giant blob!" I thought "the mutagen literally burned his skin all off and his organs are exposed and left in a giant acid goop"

and that thought haunted me for 2 days straight...I couldn't watch the episode for a while XD.....

[shinefra]

I don't get how anyone can be grossed out from eating pizza because of this episode. Maybe for 7 year old kids I might understand, but fully grown adults?

And I don't get how come anyone can be annoyed just because not every body liked a ninja turtles episode. Maybe for a 7 year old kid, but a fully grown adult?

:roll:

[Candy Kappa]

If a pizza monster was attacking me, I'd eat it.

[Cure]

If a cartoon really traumatized you over eating pizza I'm saddened for you.

You got traumatized over turtle nostrils! And white Shredder! SHUT THE F*CK UP.

[Jephael]

If a pizza monster was attacking me, I'd eat it.

I'd hate to be around when you go to the hopper after that feast!

[MaximeLoonatic]

What I found weird is if Antonio was mutated during the mutagen rain. Then why wasn't this episode put in earlier. I mean, the Turtles habitually eat Antonio's pizza. And in wormquake Mikey says "Aw yeah...Antonio's".

Learning how to made pizzas fly with own conscience and learn how to do mind control take time, I guess

[Shark_Blade]

Two days later, I think the thing I hate about this episode the most is I no longer have any affection or desire for pizza. I'm completely turned off. I hope my reaction passes as this is or was my favorite food.

I actually gave away a whole pizza last night. Once I opened the box, I just couldn't do it.

I know that feel..........I'm still a little grossed out by that episode.....

Pfft traumatized by pizza? Oh come on..


Eat me!
http://i.imgur.com/wwmKZG7.jpg

Eat Me!
http://i.imgur.com/xIqDCyn.jpg

COME ON EAT ME!
http://i.imgur.com/Xua9Wvt.jpg

Taste my delicious blend of four melted cheeses... yes
http://i.imgur.com/63TmdVz.jpg

[JTH]

As I've stated, I felt it was "Crash TV" bad, but I still laughed quite a bit.

To me it's the equivalent of "The Pulverizer" in Season 1. The Pulverizer episode I felt wasn't very good in terms of the story, but there were scenes in that episode where I laughed more than any episode so far in the series. (Splinter calling Pulverizer a "Dofus", or Poisoned Raph)

To me this episode is similar, pretty bad plot wise, but was still pretty funny.

[MCLeo28]

I honestly, honestly, honestly ..... agree with CyberCubed here.

The plot was simple, I will agree with you guys, but I did love the humor that was put into it and I could really tell this was really meant to be a filler, and for that, I applaud them for it. This IMO, has to be the best filler we've ever had in Season 2.

[CyberCubed]

You know it makes sense that Splinter eats pizza given he's a mutated rat, and rats love cheese.

Or that's what cartoons have led me to believe over the last 20 years.

[Shark_Blade]

You know... I read a lot of Pizza Face reviews on tumblr and..

Many of them didn't know how the turtles got their pizzas all this time. After seeing this episode they're like "Oh, that's how they got their pizzas!".

http://i.imgur.com/lxcmGgE.gif

And I'm like.. wow MANY of them never watched the first movie. Ever.

http://i.imgur.com/nAls2J3.gif

We really need the new movie to be out soon and hopefully shows a little more of the boys personal lives. And maybe the new audience will check the past movies too.

[snake]

You know it makes sense that Splinter eats pizza given he's a mutated rat, and rats love cheese.

Or that's what cartoons have led me to believe over the last 20 years.

Rodents actually hate cheese.

[shinefra]

Pfft traumatized by pizza? Oh come on..


Eat me!
http://i.imgur.com/wwmKZG7.jpg

Eat Me!
http://i.imgur.com/xIqDCyn.jpg

COME ON EAT ME!
http://i.imgur.com/Xua9Wvt.jpg

Taste my delicious blend of four melted cheeses... yes
http://i.imgur.com/63TmdVz.jpg

wooow hahaha you made that pizza?

[FlawedCoil82]

Yea...this show is about 3 more crap episodes away from chasing me off for good and making me lose all hope that it can ever duplicate the highs of season 1 again. Yet another stinker of an episode that I will never again throw away another 22 minutes of my life to watch. I just dont understand what happened to this show after such a promising start.

[CyberCubed]

Yea...this show is about 3 more crap episodes away from chasing me off for good and making me lose all hope that it can ever duplicate the highs of season 1 again. Yet another stinker of an episode that I will never again throw away another 22 minutes of my life to watch. I just dont understand what happened to this show after such a promising start.

What are you refering to? The majority of Season 2 has been written just as well as Season 1.

[MCLeo28]

What are you refering to? The majority of Season 2 has been written just as well as Season 1.

Agreed.

Season 2 as of right now has started off very strong and there are still some interesting plots left including The Return of Tiger Claw, the Thief, Mutagen Man, and possibly the Squirrelanoids.

[CyberCubed]

Its almost as if people have forgotten all the great Season 2 episodes there were.

[VaughnMichael]

Its almost as if people have forgotten all the great Season 2 episodes there were.
The breaks probably don't help at all.

[Metalwolf]

Agreed.

Season 2 as of right now has started off very strong and there are still some interesting plots left including The Return of Tiger Claw, the Thief, Mutagen Man, and possibly the Squirrelanoids.Agreed, at least with the plot episodes left. However, the 'filler' episodes for Season 2 don't seem to be nearly as good as last season's. They seem to be a lot more sillier and stupid whereas Season 1 tended to be a bit more darker and serious in nature.

[Coola Yagami]

that's not fair, Adults/teens over think things while kids don't (a few do)

so if we are more grossed out it's because we are thinking of all the disgusting parts in explicit detail....which makes us sick.

I was creeped out by Tim's mutations...I didn't just go "oh he turned into a giant blob!" I thought "the mutagen literally burned his skin all off and his organs are exposed and left in a giant acid goop"

and that thought haunted me for 2 days straight...I couldn't watch the episode for a while XD.....

I agree. For most mikey eating a pizza monster is funny cause hey that's what mikey would do. Adults that are are a bit more insightful would laugh but then stop and think 'whoa... Wasn't that pizza guy a human before... So mikey just are a man?'

It's like ice cream kitty. He's adorable. But the thought if the poor thing melting away someday is nightmare fuel and probably something kids wouldn't overthink about.

[CyberCubed]

Agreed, at least with the plot episodes left. However, the 'filler' episodes for Season 2 don't seem to be nearly as good as last season's. They seem to be a lot more sillier and stupid whereas Season 1 tended to be a bit more darker and serious in nature.

What were the fillers in Season 1? The only one I remember was Parascita and Spiderbitez episode, because all the others were linked to a plot or introduced a new notable character.

[Klunk1234]

I didn't noticed that Leo was played by another actor in this episode. This episode for me was not only creepy but disgusting was well. Terrible!

Fortunately, I ate pizza before watching it. I hope Mikey have a good episode next. I don't like his episodes two much. Parasitica, for me, was the best of the Mikey-centered episodes.

Nickelodeon's treatment of Mikey is not the best. He is more than the jokester of the team. He is the heart and soul of the team. He is very compassionate. This Mikey doesn't show any of that. The 1987 and 2003 versions of Mikey are much better than this one. He never prepared such disgusting meals to his family.

[TurtleTitan97]

Nickelodeon's treatment of Mikey is not the best. He is more than the jokester of the team. He is the heart and soul of the team. He is very compassionate. This Mikey doesn't show any of that. The 1987 and 2003 versions of Mikey are much better than this one. He never prepared such disgusting meals to his family.

What do you mean? 87 Mikey, as well as the other 80's Turtles, ate disgusting pizza toppings almost all the time in the show.

And Nick Mikey has shown compassion. Remember how he was the only one who showed some to Leatherhead, while the others didn't?

[Coola Yagami]

What do you mean? 87 Mikey, as well as the other 80's Turtles, ate disgusting pizza toppings almost all the time in the show.

And Nick Mikey has shown compassion. Remember how he was the only one who showed some to Leatherhead, while the others didn't?

One thing is gross food combinations that shouldn't be on a pizza... like ice cream and peanut butter...

The Nick show overdid it with a person's finger, an eyeball and half a dead rat, basically taking it into Ren and Stimpy territory.

[JTH]

One thing is gross food combinations that shouldn't be on a pizza... like ice cream and peanut butter...

The Nick show overdid it with a person's finger, an eyeball and half a dead rat, basically taking it into Ren and Stimpy territory.
I still take it that the whole episode was a nightmare, so I dull down the notice of the gross out moments. It was basically a real bad, screwed up dream.

[MCLeo28]

What were the fillers in Season 1? The only one I remember was Parascita and Spiderbitez episode, because all the others were linked to a plot or introduced a new notable character.

I would say "Monkey Brains" and "Cockroach Terminator" would also be considered filler (somewhat even though the latter involves the Kraang). I do agree with him that most of Season 1's fillers (which there are probably only 4) were handled better than most of Season 2's fillers, but most of the main plot in Season 2 is better IMO.

[Papenbrook]

This episode was not only pointless, but horrible. We already have about three filler episodes, so why do we need more? The episode could have been used to explore Mikey's character, instead of being a pointless gag episode.

[snake]

I still take it that the whole episode was a nightmare, so I dull down the notice of the gross out moments. It was basically a real bad, screwed up dream.

But it was proven not to be a dream....

[JTH]

But it was proven not to be a dream....
Not exactly.

They did what a lot of kid's shows do, which is giving the viewer the ability to choose one scenario or the other.

They gave plausible reason to think it was real, but they also gave plausible reason to believe it was all a dream.

When Mikey sees April getting turned into a Calzone, he says "It's like my worst nightmare come true." That could be taken as it was a nightmare the whole time, which they did afterward, and Mikey had closed his eyes and went back to sleep when the pizza started talking again at the end, showing that it could have all been in his head.

It left the door open for the viewer to choose though, personally I feel there's enough there with the fact he could eat the pizza when no one else could, Antonio being a monster for apparently months while they still were getting pizza there in recent episodes. While both can be said, it makes more sense it was a dream.

[Shark_Blade]

People are gonna realize Antonio's gone now and we also get an origin story for him. So I doubt it's all a dream.

wooow hahaha you made that pizza?
Ha, I wish. :P I found it, tmnt fans are fantastic!

[CyberCubed]

This episode was not only pointless, but horrible. We already have about three filler episodes, so why do we need more? The episode could have been used to explore Mikey's character, instead of being a pointless gag episode.

How was it a pointless gag episode? I swear, almost all of you missed the entire point of the episode.

And you're complaining about fillers in a 26 episode season? Sounds like you people want 13 episode seasons if you don't want filler.

[JTH]

How was it a pointless gag episode? I swear, almost all of you missed the entire point of the episode.

And you're complaining about fillers in a 26 episode season? Sounds like you people want 13 episode seasons if you don't want filler.
I actually agree with you on this Cubed, some people do tend to forget that the filler episodes are just as important in the grand scheme of things as the main story.

If a person just started watching the show right in the middle of these major story arcs, they'd be lost as hell, especially right now with everything going on with April and such.

And now that we're a season and a half in, you run the risk of losing new fans that are trying to get into the show. These silly crash TV fillers are the best ones to introduce someone to a show, especially after The Manhatten Project which probably attracted some new fans after seeing the 80s Turtles. You can't just mash back into the main plot after that; those fans will be clueless and may tune back out, they have to ease back into story which these last four episodes did, next episode looks like it will be back on course though.

[FlawedCoil82]

What are you refering to? The majority of Season 2 has been written just as well as Season 1.

I do not agree at all. Season 1 had 4....maybe 5 episodes that were "below par" in my eyes, whereas Season 2 has had 4 or 5 episodes that did not disappoint me or bore me to tears. For one, I am BORED TO DEATH of the stupid ass Kraang. They do not interest me and their major storyline should have ended after the Season 1 finale. The canisters of mutagen being lost in the city was an excuse to make more mutants and more toys. As I have said many times before...I have ZERO interest in watching the turtles fight aliens, robots, monsters or mutants who are not equally skilled in martial arts like they are. Lasers, guns, spaceships, martial arts-less mutants, etc. Boring!

Also, the absurd episodes in this season are so beyond silly and random that it makes me feel embarassed to watch them. I loved watching all the 1st Season shows with my dad. I could watch every episode without wincing (perhaps the only exceptions being "Pigeon Pete" and "Spiderbytez"). Not so in Season 2. We now have dancing fungus, butt cannons, turtle wizards, ice cream cats, talking pizzas, repulsive acne gags, etc. without any "Wow!" episodes to balance them out. There is no way I could watch half of these episodes with my dad without feeling shame at how childish it feels and how I'd be torturing him. The first season never made me feel that way. Only Slash, Newtralizer, Tiger Claw and the episodes where Karai battles the turtles with the Foot have interested me. I suppose I can make a case for Mutagen Man as well, but obviously not for his fighting skills. Beyond that, everything else has been so boring to me to where they are not episodes that I ever care if I see again. I want to see the turtles fight REAL threats. Life-threatening threats (without all the goofiness). Threats to where I feel like the turtles could get their shells handed to them in a fight if they slip up and villains who can dish back everything the turtles throw at them.

[Powder]

As I have said many times before...I have ZERO interest in watching the turtles fight aliens, robots, monsters or mutants who are not equally skilled in martial arts like they are. Lasers, guns, spaceships, martial arts-less mutants, etc. Boring!


That's... literally every version of the TMNT. Ever.

[FlawedCoil82]

Thats true Powder, but if we are only talking the cartoons, then I felt that the 4kids series at least made it more interesting by having ongoing arcs that continued into each other and I think they executed it better. I feel they made the threats against the turtles seem genuinely dangerous. Apart from Shredder in this series, I don't really feel that any of the other villains are competent at being serious threats. They now have to pretty much make a joke out of everything.

[JH24]

Thats true Powder, but if we are only talking the cartoons, then I felt that the 4kids series at least made it more interesting by having ongoing arcs that continued into each other and I think they executed it better. I feel they made the threats against the turtles seem genuinely dangerous. Apart from Shredder in this series, I don't really feel that any of the other villains are competent at being serious threats. They now have to pretty much make a joke out of everything.

This series has ongoing story arcs as well though. The Kraang planning to terraform the world, the threat of Shredder looming over the turtles, there's the storyline of Karai, Leonardo and Splinter, Donatello trying to find a reliable retromutagen he can use in larger quantities, etc.

The 2k3 series did very well with ongoing arcs, but the 2k12 series has its own set of arcs as well.

Besides Shredder, I would view the Kraang as a credible threat despite their often more comedic portrayal. They've pushed the turtles to their limits several times (especially at the end of season 1, the encounter with the Kraang Droid in "Mutation Situation", the large robot in "Target April O'Neill," the April clones and traps in "Kraang Conspiracy", etc. I would wish the Kraang would appear more competent, but if they were as serious as Shredder they should have been able to destroy the turtles a long time ago.

Slash in their first encounter was a real threat as well, if he had wanted he could have killed Raph's brothers on the spot. Same for the Rat King when he controlled Splinter, if Leo hadn't been able to get through to him...

I admit I don't find the Kraang as interesting as for example the Shredder story arc, they lack a kind of "charisma", a kind of personality. But they have a darker streak that does surface from time to time. ("True, but this is more entertaining to Kraang." When they were about to take a DNA sample from April, enjoying the process that would kill her)


I understand what you mean though, and for me the most interesting and best episodes have been as well the ones with Shredder, Karai, Slash, Newtralizer, Tiger Claw or Mutagen Man. (Especially for Donatello not giving up)

[CyberCubed]

Thats true Powder, but if we are only talking the cartoons, then I felt that the 4kids series at least made it more interesting by having ongoing arcs that continued into each other and I think they executed it better. I feel they made the threats against the turtles seem genuinely dangerous. Apart from Shredder in this series, I don't really feel that any of the other villains are competent at being serious threats. They now have to pretty much make a joke out of everything.

The majority of 4kids episodes that did not focus on the Foot were them fighting sci-fi monsters, mutants or aliens.

What did you think Quarry and the other underground mutants were? Just because they looked like bugs doesn't mean they weren't mutants.

[Metalwolf]

I actually agree with you on this Cubed, some people do tend to forget that the filler episodes are just as important in the grand scheme of things as the main story. It's not that they're unimportant, it's just that most of them aren't doing a good job at getting the point across without trying to be silly or gross. I like Shallacne for example, but it could have been far better simply by not having the acne thing in it at all. I would change it to simply having Mikey look for a centrifuge for Don to prove himself competent to his brothers, after one too many dismissals. The other stuff in the episode happens the same way with the introduction of Rahzar, but instead of an acne cure, he's praised by his brothers. It's still a Mikey episode, but removes the stuff that turned people off.


If a person just started watching the show right in the middle of these major story arcs, they'd be lost as hell, especially right now with everything going on with April and such.

And now that we're a season and a half in, you run the risk of losing new fans that are trying to get into the show. These silly crash TV fillers are the best ones to introduce someone to a show, especially after The Manhatten Project which probably attracted some new fans after seeing the 80s Turtles. You can't just mash back into the main plot after that; those fans will be clueless and may tune back out, they have to ease back into story which these last four episodes did, next episode looks like it will be back on course though.This excuse for fillers isn't a good one. They could still watch the previous episodes that they missed on Itunes or Amazon, they aren't going to be 'lost' when they have the ample opportunity to play catch up.

And potential new fans are more likely to be turned off by a show that looks too 'kiddy.' Stuff that is serious tends to hook and keep in more fans because it often features the more cooler badguys and heroes doing awesome stuff. Plus it doesn't try to play fast and loose with it's plots, making what's shown feel more relevant because it's not going to be forgotten about for 8 episodes, only to have the follow up buried in yet more filler. This show is starting to aim too kiddy now, and a show that aims too kiddy ends up also playing it too safe and being afraid to confuse or scare it's audience. Kiddy type shows also end using up a lot of episode slots with goofy filler for 'kid appeal.' This eventually loses fans once the novelty wears off, and it starts to bore it's audience.

[Kanon]

I just watched the episode and was surprised how good it was.
(Your arguments made me a little worried :P)
It was a one of the episodes, were I just wanted to watch it again (right after watching it)

Okay, Mikeys character didn`t make any real progress, but at least it was pretty funny to see him fighting his beloved food. :D