Favorite Super Villain

[damnhooligan]

Okay, for various unknown and unforseen reasons, I need help!

I'm working on a project reguarding the rehabiltation of cartoon super villains, called "Antagonists Anonymous". I hope to have it completed within a few weeks, but for now... I'm in the "brainstorming" phase.

List off your favourite super villains (TMNT and also non-TMNT). All help is greatly appreciated.

The top 6 of my list

1) Shredder
2) Krang
3) Mr. Burns
4) Cobra Commander
5) Magneto
6) Strong Bad

List, list I say!

[Raven]

1. joker (oh man the things this guy has done is creepy)
2.shredder
3. sponage bob... :roll: ...(need I say more)
4.darth vader
5. green goblin
6. lex luthor
7.steven king.......sure hes a writter but hes evil!
8.any one that likes harry potter :o

[Taloniss]

Doctor Octopus
Green Goblin
Joker
Two-Face
Clayface
Bane
Violater/Clown
Chapel
Shredder
Red Skull
Doctor Doom
Darth Vader

[J Legault]

Bowser
Shredder 2003(the new one is beats the old)
Dr. Robotnik
Ganondorf
Oogie-Boogie
Shadow Mario/Baby Bowser
King Boo
Giga Bowser

and some others.

[Ninjatron]

Megatron. All of them.

Sayonara.

[damnhooligan]

Hell yeah.

Honestly, I thank you all for your opinions. *score*

[Taloniss]

Hell yeah.

Honestly, I thank you all for your opinions. *score*

You're welcome :)

[Lanagirl]

awwwwwwwww
SHREDDER IS MY FAVOURITE!!!
Then comes Scorpion, Quan Chi, Shinnok,Darth Vaider
Who is Cobra Commander? How does he look?
From what cartoon is he?

[Albrecht]

sherdder and lord vortex

[Lanagirl]

Cool, I learn more and more about new villians. That's very inetersting
Who is lord vortex?

[Reznorite420]

Krang
Shredder
Darth Vader
Palpatine
Cobra Commander
Lex Luthor
Shao Kahn
Kahn Noonien Singh (Star Trek)
Tomalak (Star Trek TNG)
Jabba The Hutt
"Q" (ST TNG)
Agent Smith (despite how much I hate The Matrix)
Bowser/King Koopa
Robotnik/Eggman
Mr. X (Streets of Rage)
Magneto
Dr. Evil

[Albrecht]

Cool, I learn more and more about new villians. That's very inetersting
Who is lord vortex?

he is a RPG charecter created by insane zane.

[Deathknight]

#1 Shredder (Old Cartoon)
#2 Mr. Burns
#3 Krang
#4 Dr. Wily
#5 Carnage
#6 Cobra Commander
#7 Destro
#8 Shredder (TMNT 2003)
#9 Wily-sama (from the japanese anime Rockman.exe)
#10 Serpentor
#11 Ganon (Classic)

[Yobo12]

1. Nazis
2. Shredder
3. Darth Maul
4. Archangel
5.Mechagodzilla
6.Venom

[cqb101]

Joker
Cobra Commander
Shredder
Megatron
Carnage
Onslaught
Magneto

Some others......

[The Stryker]

Green Goblin
Shredder (2k3)
Venom
Doc ock
Magneto
Bullseye (movie)
Agent Smith
Wernstrom
Mechagodzilla(any incarnation)

[That Matt Guy]

Shouldn't this be in the GD forum?

[Jephael]

You gotta mention the Fearsome Five from Darkwing Duck, and possibly the Beagle Boys from Ducktales.

[tormentedvagrant]

Shredder
Cyber Face (savage Dragon)
Green Goblin (Spider man)
The Eater of Worlds (Blew up the earth permenantly in savag dragon)
Brain Ape (Hitler's brain in an Ape's body)
Mum-ra (thunder cats)
Clown (spawn)
The Lizard (spider Man)
Mother Brain (Captin N)
Leonardo Leonardo (Clerks cartoon)

[The Stryker]

Farnsworth:"OooooOoOh Wernstrom!!!" :lol: :lol:

[cqb101]

Unicron

[Raven]

im I the only one thats really scared by way to cute bunnys!

[damnhooligan]

Leonardo Leonardo (Clerks cartoon)

Yes! Even though the cartoon was short lived, it brought on a whole new appreciation for Alec Baldwin. He is crawling the list of my favourite super villain voice actors.

[Leo656]

"Is this some kinda GAY thing?"

"No!"

"Are you SURE?"

".......y-es...."

:lol:

[GK Punk]

Joker is the greatest Villan EEEEEVER.

He's right up there With Triple H

[Psycrow]

awwwwwwwww
SHREDDER IS MY FAVOURITE!!!
Then comes Scorpion, Quan Chi, Shinnok,Darth Vaider
Who is Cobra Commander? How does he look?
From what cartoon is he?

GI Joe.

[That Matt Guy]

Brain Ape (Hitler's brain in an Ape's body)

:lol: What is that from? I must know!

[GK Punk]

Yeah, I wanna know what That's from too.. sounds crazy.

http://home.att.net/~cpaward/cc_cape1.jpg

Cobra Commader for you lana

[tormentedvagrant]

Brain Ape (Hitler's brain in an Ape's body)

:lol: What is that from? I must know!

He is from savage dragon as well. When hitler died, scientists kept his brain alive, and finaly but it in an apes body. But the brain mutated slightly so that it could live on its oun, talk, walk and shoot a gun. Its scary, but he only did the out of body thing once or twice. I scrong up a pic.

[R0ckSteady]

gotta say shredder

[Mars-Chan]

Shredder, Griffin, Commander Feral....*pauses* Whoops...was that last one out loud? :D

[cqb101]

Would Stewie from Family Guy count?

[The Stryker]

i love mom's three kids from futurama

Igner:"owww!!...stop hurting meeee!!"

[Mars-Chan]

:roll: KNEW you would put that.

[The Stryker]

i am not a futurama freak!!! leave me alone i hate this house!!!!


*runs up to room and locks door*

*puts on 50 year old music and plays it loudly*

[Mars-Chan]

:roll: :P

[Moomintroll]

me, Harley Queen, and Al Gore

[Raven]

al gore and his lock box scare me to :lol: :lol:

[Deathknight]

me, Harley Queen, and Al Gore
No politics please, Al Gore is definitely not a villian. If you want to spread your thoughts about your political party start a topic in general discussion.

[Albrecht]

i am not a futurama freak!!! leave me alone i hate this house!!!!


*runs up to room and locks door*

*puts on 50 year old music and plays it loudly*


*kick's strykers old fashion radio* oops

[Leo656]

((pulls the string on the back of his Al Gore Doll...))

"You...... are.......... hearing......... me......... talk....."

:lol:

[Raven]

im I the only one that thinks that al gore is trying to take over the world!with is evil lock box

[That Matt Guy]

Bill Lumbergh is the best super villian.

[Raven]

I bet you geaorge bush cant be evil.....because he probably cant spell evil :roll:

[Moomintroll]

me, Harley Queen, and Al Gore
No politics please, Al Gore is definitely not a villian. If you want to spread your thoughts about your political party start a topic in general discussion.

You may disagree with me, which is in your right, but this is my opinion, and I will post it wherever I may please. Which is in my right, so please refrain from telling me what to do.

[Brodie]

me, Harley Queen, and Al Gore
No politics please, Al Gore is definitely not a villian. If you want to spread your thoughts about your political party start a topic in general discussion.

You may disagree with me, which is in your right, but this is my opinion, and I will post it wherever I may please. Which is in my right, so please refrain from telling me what to do.


You mean Harley Quinn? The Joker's chick?

[Deathknight]

Politics is a fight no one ever wins. Which is why I don't like to discuss them, I don't go around expressing my opinions about how I hate certain high ranking officials because it starts fights. So can we just please agree that we won't say something that will start a fight?

[cqb101]

Fights are bad. Fights= Bans.

[Raven]

Politics is a fight no one ever wins. Which is why I don't like to discuss them, I don't go around expressing my opinions about how I hate certain high ranking officials because it starts fights. So can we just please agree that we won't say something that will start a fight?

im not trying to start a fight here but if some one brings politics up dosent mean you have to commet on them, but I agree no one wins

[That Matt Guy]

Then I guess Hitler isn't a villian. He's a political figure.

[Raven]

Then I guess Hitler isn't a villian. He's a political figure.
:lol: I guess that would be true

[Moomintroll]

Politics is a fight no one ever wins. Which is why I don't like to discuss them, I don't go around expressing my opinions about how I hate certain high ranking officials because it starts fights. So can we just please agree that we won't say something that will start a fight?


No one was starting a fight, I don't really care if someone agrees or disagrees, but I have a right to express my opinion about the political figure of my choice.
I didn't say all Gore fans were stupid or bad, I just stated I didn't like it, and I will do so, this is not a political fight, because I agree to disagree, I just think its rude to censor other people's opinions because you don't like hearing them.
I am jewish, but if someone will walk around saying Hitler is their hero (which I have seen) great, I won't talk to them, I will probably avoid them, but it's not my place to say "don't say that" because they have every right to say that.
Freedon is the right to think and say what you think is right or wrong, not to do what you think is write or wrong. So I am going to say or think whatever I feel like. And express it in the forum if I want, because I by no means started an argument about him as a poilitical leader, just pointed out that I think he is pure evil, no one else has to agree with me.


And yes, Harely Quinn (i knew I spelled it wrong) - the Joker's chick, she is AWSOME

[Leo656]

My girlfriend finds Harley rather sexy, too. :D

As for politicians interweaving with super-villainy... I'll have to make my pick......

Teddy Kennedy.

C'mon, his car had to have killed at LEAST as many people as the Joker. :lol:

[Raven]

My girlfriend finds Harley rather sexy, too. :D

As for politicians interweaving with super-villainy... I'll have to make my pick......

Teddy Kennedy.

C'mon, his car had to have killed at LEAST as many people as the Joker. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[That Matt Guy]

I am jewish, but if someone will walk around saying Hitler is their hero (which I have seen) great, I won't talk to them, I will probably avoid them, but it's not my place to say "don't say that" because they have every right to say that.

I guess this was directed at me.

[Moomintroll]

I am jewish, but if someone will walk around saying Hitler is their hero (which I have seen) great, I won't talk to them, I will probably avoid them, but it's not my place to say "don't say that" because they have every right to say that.

I guess this was directed at me.

Haha
No, not at all, I didn't even think of you when I wrote it, but I can see how it could be taken that way. No, i didn't mean you even remotly, i just thought of hitler as an example because someone else mentioned him.
I know you view him as a historical figure you are intrested in, and being quite fond of history, I can't comment on someone's intrests :-)

[Raven]

but the most evil of them all is bill gates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cqb101]

but the most evil of them all is bill gates!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lol:

[Reznorite420]

Since these political villians are being mentioned, I'll go ahead and say Pat Buchanan...

For the record, Repulicans AND Democrats need to be drug out into the street and shot :P The idea of political parties itself saddens me. Hence, my voter registration lists me as "undeclared".

[GK Punk]

Since these political villians are being mentioned, I'll go ahead and say Pat Buchanan...

For the record, Repulicans AND Democrats need to be drug out into the street and shot :P The idea of political parties itself saddens me. Hence, my voter registration lists me as "undeclared".

bwahahah that's cool, I can understand that.. I was actually thinking of writing in Skeletor as my next presidential vote :lol:

[That Matt Guy]

I am jewish, but if someone will walk around saying Hitler is their hero (which I have seen) great, I won't talk to them, I will probably avoid them, but it's not my place to say "don't say that" because they have every right to say that.

I guess this was directed at me.

Haha
No, not at all, I didn't even think of you when I wrote it, but I can see how it could be taken that way. No, i didn't mean you even remotly, i just thought of hitler as an example because someone else mentioned him.
I know you view him as a historical figure you are intrested in, and being quite fond of history, I can't comment on someone's intrests :-)

Exactly. He sure isn't my hero http://home.earthlink.net/~cobok/data/ah.gif

[Lanagirl]

Hitler!
:(
I hate him. He killed so many people. Coward...
I also hate Stalin
What has he done to us :cry: ?

[That Matt Guy]

Stalin killed way more people than Hitler. But I bet few people realize that Robert E. Lee killed more people than both of them.

[Psycrow]

Here's my list.

1. Skeletor
2. Starscream
3. Megatron
4. Galvatron (The movie version, not season 3 and on where he was insane)
5. Unicron


If I can think of anymore, I'll post 'em.

[GK Punk]

SKELETOR!!!

Well I think everyone knows Skeletor is my Idol!
(I am even going to cosplay as Skeletor at the next con I attend)

[Leo656]

Since these political villians are being mentioned, I'll go ahead and say Pat Buchanan...

For the record, Repulicans AND Democrats need to be drug out into the street and shot :P The idea of political parties itself saddens me. Hence, my voter registration lists me as "undeclared".

bwahahah that's cool, I can understand that.. I was actually thinking of writing in Skeletor as my next presidential vote :lol:

"SKELETOR doesn't LIKE partisan politics! MUAAAA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!"

:lol:

[GK Punk]

"Skeletor Dosn't WANT to raise taxes!"

[Mars-Chan]

:lol: :lol:

[Moomintroll]

First of, Mars, you rock, cause you got Crow lines in your sig. I want to marry you now, and I am not even gay!<p>
Also, I totally forgot, but has anyone ever watched Unico? it had the best villan ever, this guy, Toby, was his apprentice, and the other one was really a puppet that was hurt, so he became an evil wizard, who turned everyoone into pupets.
he is the best villan ever, does anyone know who I am taling about?

[Raven]

:o

[TheShredder]

In no real order
Shredder 2003
Skeletor
Mr. Burns
Cobra Commander
Magneto
Darth Vader
Dr. Robotnik
Lex luthor
Green Goblin
Joker
Bowser
Mr. X
Agent Smith
Al Gore
Bill Gates
major pain
anyone who likes Harry Pottey

[Greed]

Lets see now:

Sesshoumaru
Leonardo Leonardo
Shredder
Slash
Char
Joker
The Jokers
Venom
Liquid Snake
Legato Bluesummers
Million Knives

[DarkNinja]

Shredder
Darth Vader
Joker
Voldemort (don't ask)
Myotismon (from Digimon) :wink:
me :D

[Psycrow]

I think we can all agree that my avatar displays the greatest Super Villain of all time... :D

[Raven]

whos that :D .....................never mind :roll: bill gates is still the ulitmate evil :evilgrin:

[Mars-Chan]

First of, Mars, you rock, cause you got Crow lines in your sig.
I thank you. 8) :D
I want to marry you now, and I am not even gay! <p>
Ge-uhhh...... :o No thanks! I just spit out Crow quotes when I get the chance. (Which is 24/7...thank you very much.)

[Reznorite420]

Mr. XDamn, and I thought I was a minority of 1 for a moment...

[Psycrow]

whos that :D .....................never mind :roll: bill gates is still the ulitmate evil :evilgrin:

He's just the overlord of evil and future ruler of Eternia...!! Nothin' major... :D

[TheShredder]

Leonardo Leonardo The Jokers
Who is Leonardo Leonardo and the Jokers?

[Brodie]

Leonardo Leonardo is Alec Baldwin's character in the Clerks cartoon.

[Greed]

Leonardo Leonardo The Jokers
Who is Leonardo Leonardo and The Jokers?

They are from Batman Beyond they were a gang devoted to the oringinal Joker

[TheShredder]

Stalin killed way more people than Hitler. Yeah it's kind of funny that you never seem to hear about the millions Stalin killed.

[cqb101]

Stalin killed way more people than Hitler. Yeah it's kind of funny that you never seem to hear about the millions Stalin killed.

Maybe because he didn't involve a war?

[That Matt Guy]

Well Red Army soldiers did massacre thousands of Germans in acts of revenge while they were chasing the Germans back to Berlin in 44' and 45'. But yeah, most of Stalin's purges were carried out against Russians themselves.

[Leo656]

Funny, Hitler actually WAS a super-villain in a lot of old 40s-era comic books, who used his "Spear of Destiny" to keep members of the Justice Society and other "mystery men" out of Germany and thus preventing them from ending the war directly. The concept was revisited in the early 90s "Elseworlds" mini-series "The Golden Age" by DC, which is a fantastic book that I recommend to EVERYONE. Especially you, Matt. :P

[That Matt Guy]

Ol' Supes took care of the problem pretty well.
http://64.39.14.237/pics/nsc/1-072403-65.jpg

[Leo656]

There's also a story in "The Greatest Superman Stories Ever Told" trade paperback called "What If Superman Ended the War?" first published back in that era. Also, as a reflection of the times, many comic book covers didn't reflect the stories within at all, instead showing heroes like Superman or Batman punching out Hitler, planting victory gardens with kids, and stuff like that.

But seriously, check out "The Golden Age". It's out in TPB now. Great stuff.

[That Matt Guy]

True. But then again, most of those old comics had more than one story in them.

[Leo656]

Indeed.

Meanwhile I'm stuck picking up classic TPBs and Archives whenever possible cuz I'm a goddamn comic book junkie.

[Raven]

heres a superman question, when did superman get that new costume?were hes in a blue and white lighting looking costume and why or how did he get it, I herd a long time ago but I forgot? and when did he get rid off it, I belive it happened back in 97?

I cant find any pictures of him, so I hope you know what im talking about.

[Leo656]

Sadly, I do know. Back in 1996 or so, DC editors got the brilliant idea (sarcasm) that they could increase sales by making Superman "hip" with a new costume and new powers. Thus was born "Electric Slide Blue Ice Skating Suit" Superman.

Basically, the story was that during the "Final Night" crossover (where Earth's sun was extinguished by an alien parasite), the lack of solar energy caused Superman to exhaust his powers. They were expected to return along with the sun, but they didn't, so Superman underwent all kinds of radical treatments to try and "jump-start" his powers. Eventually they returned, but soon began to change, for example bullets would often pass through him instead of bouncing off of him. He was rapidly becoming an energy being made of electricity, and if his energy was not contained he would become discorporate and die. So he was forced to wear a special "containment suit" designed by S.T.A.R. Labs with technology from Lexcorp. He could no longer "fly" in the technical sense, instead "zapping" from place to place. He was no longer super-strong, instead forced to lift objects by manipulating their magnetic gravity. And when he became Clark Kent, he became completely human. The worst was yet to come, as the energy being split itself into two seperate people with two seperate personalities: Superman Blue, who was like Superman if he was even MORE of a boy scout, and Superman Red, who was basically a pompous, sarcastic, immature jerk.

This went on far too long, about a year or so, before both Supermen were seemingly destroyed in battling the menace of the Millenuim Giants, who were basically these big.... things that were scheduled to arise at the turn of the century and lay waste to Earth, but Energy Superman's powers disrupted the balance and awakened the Giants prematurely, thus they were forced to destroy themselves in destroying the Giants.

Then the whole thing came to an end in the "Superman Forever" issue where Superman crash-lands in the fields at the Kent Farm, back to normal, with all his normal powers, and no real explanation given. Instead, the editors, writers, and most importantly the fans, all breathed a sigh of relief and said "Whew... thank God THAT's over."

Basically the whole storyline was one huge abortion and it's better left forgotten.

[Psycrow]

heres a superman question, when did superman get that new costume?were hes in a blue and white lighting looking costume and why or how did he get it, I herd a long time ago but I forgot? and when did he get rid off it, I belive it happened back in 97?

I cant find any pictures of him, so I hope you know what im talking about.

I have that comic in my bedroom right now. The cover is bumpy too...

Needless to say, it's the worst piece of tripe and angle that could ever grace a comic book hero so renowned as Superman. Leo656 covers it quite well. If I was to make a review, there would be a lot more swearing. :D

[Leo656]

Well when I vocally explain the story to people, I do insert the word "f*ck" in between every third and fourth word. :lol:

[That Matt Guy]

That new Superman suit was the coolest thing I had ever seen. Whoever thought that one up should get some kind of promotion with DC comics. :roll:

[Raven]

I think the suit would of been better with some else, why not just create a new person with those same powers? they probably would have the same sales. plus could of brought in more money keeping supes as he is.

[Leo656]

Well a couple years ago the suit and powers were passed along to a female called "Strange Visitor" who turned out to be Kismet in a new identity, and... well, then she died and no one cared.

[Psycrow]

Well a couple years ago the suit and powers were passed along to a female called "Strange Visitor" who turned out to be Kismet in a new identity, and... well, then she died and no one cared.

Man, if you really think about all the plot holes and such that DC introduces and just tosses aside, you can only wonder how they've managed to be in the comic industry for so long. :lol:

[cqb101]

Well a couple years ago the suit and powers were passed along to a female called "Strange Visitor" who turned out to be Kismet in a new identity, and... well, then she died and no one cared.

Man, if you really think about all the plot holes and such that DC introduces and just tosses aside, you can only wonder how they've managed to be in the comic industry for so long. :lol:

:lol: And you know why I'm a marvel fanboy.

[Dane E5R]

http://www.thekryptonian.com/images/costumes/superman-blue.jpg

There's a pic, even though it's not really necessary anymore.

[Leo656]

Marvel? Like they're innocent? Can we say "Spider-Clone"? How about "Age of Apocalypse"? The screw up their own characters enough as it is, too. My main issue between DC and Marvel is that, ok, say you don't read Superman. It's still possible to pick it up at random, and be given a quick rundown on what's going on, so you at least have a basic understanding of it. When an old character or nemesis shows up, you're told what their importance is. As opposed to a book like, say, X-Men, which if you haven't been reading it for the past 15 years it's next to impossible to get into and understand without the aid of a stack of back issues, a Wizard compendium, diagrams and a flow chart.

Both companies have problems, believe me. DC's is that they often treat their secondary characters better than their big name characters, which is why the Superman books are pretty crappy right now. That's gonna change when the new creative team hops on board soon, though, oh yes. :evilgrin:

[cqb101]

You're right. I just never really cared for DC, mainly because I can't stand Supes.

[Leo656]

Blasphemy :P

Actually it's understandable, but I find most people's dislike of Superman tends to stem from both a basic misunderstanding of the character ("too powerful") mixed with poor writing at times (lack of good villains, writers often conveniently creating new powers and abilities to deal with the problem at hand instead of working within established boundaries). Between those two flaws, yeah, I can see how often some would dislike the character.

All I can recommend is to check out John Byrne's "Man of Steel" mini-series, probably the single best treatment in the history of the character, and see if that sheds new light on the character. The books are pretty bad right now, which has me waiting with baited breath for the new creative teams coming soon.

That and "Superman/Batman" #1 comes out... this week, I believe, Ooooh yessss..... :D

[cqb101]

Heh, the reason I hate is because he's too powerful. How'd you guess? :P

[That Matt Guy]

I like the movie Superman better than the comic one.

[Raven]

I dont really like superman only because of the fact that hes to much of a boy scout. I think you can guess who I really "batman" I really got back into his comics when jeph and lee took over, with batman hush. its so well written, just when I think I know who hush is, anther problem is throwen in, but from what I have heard
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but, other wise I like batman movies more (but not batman + robin :dead: ) just because hes so dark. and seems more of a anti hero

[cqb101]

After seeing some stuff about the Batman/ Superman series, I think I'm gonna have to pick it up.

[Raven]

after reading, and seeing the hush series, ive had to change some of my art styles, just because when I look at jims stuff, it makes my look like a 3 year old drew it :embarass: i mean jim has the best comic art i have ever seen, aside from alex ross, those 2 should try to take over the world

[Leo656]

See, the whole thing is that Superman isn't SUPPOSED to be "too powerful"... bad writers make him that way when they can't figure out any other way to get him out of a scenario. Which is why Byrne and Jurgens were the best Superman writers in the 60-year history of the character: they wrote him as superMAN, not SUPERman, presenting a more human version of the character. Back in the supposedly superior (to longtime fans) "Silver Age", Superman could destroy a planet by flying into it at full speed, collapse a mountain range with a clap of his hands, and travel back in time on a whim. He WAS "too powerful", which is why Byrne's revamp in 1986 was necessary in the first place. All his powers were greatly reduced, limits were placed on his strength and speed (he's been out-muscled by Captain Marvel and outrun by the Flash), he could no longer breathe in space (or anywhere else without oxygen), and so on and so forth.

But whenever lazy writers come along with ideas to "improve" the character, suddenly he's back to throwing planets around. Which is why I knew the past year's run of Superman was doomed to fail before it started. When the new writers were announced, they all said the top priority was making Superman "a larger than life superhuman alien" again, which is the exact opposite of what most people want from the character. Hopefully the new writers coming in in a few months have the RIGHT idea. Fans have no incentive to relate to an over-powered "strange visitor from another planet". Even something so small, like John Byrne's concept that Kal-El wasn't truly "born" until his rocket/birth matrix opened on Earth, thus making him Kryptonian only genetically and not by birth, goes a long way towards creating a more "human" and relatable version of the character.



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I actually like the Jason Todd idea, because I'm willing to see where it goes next month. I have a feeling he's not the real Jason Todd, but yet another plot by the "real" villain to throw Batman off his game. And even if it is Jason, it could be a great plot twist IF they explain it well. Besides, it's comic books. NOBODY stays dead except for Gwen Stacy, Captain America's sidekick Bucky, and Barry Allen. Don't you know that by now? :P

[Leo656]

after reading, and seeing the hush series, ive had to change some of my art styles, just because when I look at jims stuff, it makes my look like a 3 year old drew it :embarass: i mean jim has the best comic art i have ever seen, aside from alex ross, those 2 should try to take over the world

I like both of them a lot. Throw in John Byrne and Dan Jurgens and I think there's your panel of Best Comic Artists Ever. Though I think Lee loses a point because his Superman seems "off" somehow. Thankfully, he'll be getting lots of practice when he takes over art chores on the book in the coming months. :D

A whole year of Jim Lee on Superman... plus McGuinness drawing Superman/Batman.... if Jurgens came back to write/draw a Superman title all the Superman fans would be in Heaven.

[Raven]

batman spoilers


well ya I should of guessed..............but I have a feeling ra ah hules or whats is name did somthing to bring him back, because in 616 ra's says that many of the lazures pits have been destroied or used i forget at the moment. so mabey 2 face now harvey dent again took the dead jason and brought him to one of those pits..............but wait can thoses pits bring back dead people?

end.

I also heard that lex luther was a evil scientist, but some time in the 80's was changed into a evil buiseness man............what a weird change

[Leo656]

Yeah when they revamped Superman in 1986, they made many important changes to the character.

1) Superman was born on Earth, not Krypton. His Kryptonian parents had seed and egg samples placed within a gestation matrix, which was then attached to the rocket that brought Kal-El to Earth. But he was not truly "born" until the rocket opened on the Kent farm in Smallville, Kansas.

2) Clark's powers came about slowly, not fully manifesting themselves until the age of 18. Thus, he was never "Superboy". Probably the most radical change to the character himself.

3) Kryptonite became excessively rare. In the pre-1986 Superman comics, it seemed like Kryptonite was as common as dirt, with every super-villain and two-bit thug owning at least one piece of the stuff. With the 1986 revamp, only one piece of Kryptonite came to Earth, attached to Kal-El's rocket by mistake. That piece was stolen by the scientist who created Metallo, and was placed in the robot's chest cavity. After battling Superman, Metallo and the Kryptonite was stolen by Lex Luthor. Pieces of the chunk were shaved off, some formed into bullets used by the villain Bloodsport, and another piece used to create a special signet ring for Lex Luthor himself. The ring eventually ended up in Batman's hands, and while Superman holds the rest of the natural Kryptonite in his Fortress, both Luthor and Batman have had varying degrees of success in recent years duplicating the substance.

4) By the mid-80s, mad scientists were no longer all the rage, so Lex Luthor became a billionaire industrialist. Pre-1986. Luthor was a boyhood friend of Superboy, but hated Superboy after an accident caused Luthor's hair to fall out (hey, it was the 50s). Modern times, Luthor's wealth makes him powerful beyond compare, and his hatred of Superman stems from the fact that as long as Superman exists, Luthor is no longer the most powerful man in Metropolis. Plus, only Superman is aware of Lex's true nature. To most people, he is the generous billionaire benefactor of Metropolis (and currently, President of the US), but Superman and a few others know the truth and are dedicated to exposing him.

So yeah that's the bulk of what they changed in 1986. Most of those changes stuck, but the recent "Superman: Birthright" maxi-series seems dedicated to "undoing" the Byrne mini-series (i.e., Superman WAS born on Krypton, the S shield was the El family crest like in the movies), so we'll see what happens in the near future. Personally, I think Byrne's version was the best version EVER of Superman and revamping it is a big mistake, but what do I know.

[The Stryker]

I can Stand supes some of the time

but mostly he pisses me off, especially when he built the great wall with his eyes..... :o :x :lol: :-? :sleep:

But i would like to see a new Batman or superman movie "Done Right"

Most of all i want to see a new flash movie...i wonder how they would vamp his suit for movies...bright red don't work

oh and poor Gwen stacey...she kinda came back as a clone but she disappeared and was never heard from again

NightSpider....AWAY!!!!!

Bamf! *disappears*

[Dr. Doom]

THE CORRECT ANSWER IS DOOM, YOU PATHETIC FOOLS!!! NONE OF THESE MISCREANTS COULD LAST TWO SECONDS IN DOOM'S PRESENCE WITHOUT WETTING THEMSELVES AND IMMEDIATELY COMMITING SUICIDE!!!! DOOM IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA!!!

[Leo656]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Best first impression ever. You're hired. :D

[Dr. Doom]

AND YOU'RE FIRED!!! -=He is seized by Doombots=-

Thanks tho..........say, am I crazy, or are there like a bazillion Gambit fans on this board?

[Leo656]

You're not crazy, Gambit fans have overrun this board.

Kinda shocking since he's, y'know, out and proud, and all that. :P

(ducks the assault of flaming cards from legions of Gambit fans)

[Dr. Doom]

actually, I'm onna them.[/b]

[Leo656]

It's just a long-running nWo Tech joke about Gambit's supposedly questionable... er.... "orientation." :P

[Dr. Doom]

Don't make me get into Jeff Hardy

[cqb101]

Lwgions of Gambit fans? I thought I was the only one?!

[Mars-Chan]

Nope. Despite the fact I have Logan on my Avvy...I'm a Gambit fan myself. :P

[Raven]

Yeah when they revamped Superman in 1986, they made many important changes to the character.

1) Superman was born on Earth, not Krypton. His Kryptonian parents had seed and egg samples placed within a gestation matrix, which was then attached to the rocket that brought Kal-El to Earth. But he was not truly "born" until the rocket opened on the Kent farm in Smallville, Kansas.

2) Clark's powers came about slowly, not fully manifesting themselves until the age of 18. Thus, he was never "Superboy". Probably the most radical change to the character himself.

3) Kryptonite became excessively rare. In the pre-1986 Superman comics, it seemed like Kryptonite was as common as dirt, with every super-villain and two-bit thug owning at least one piece of the stuff. With the 1986 revamp, only one piece of Kryptonite came to Earth, attached to Kal-El's rocket by mistake. That piece was stolen by the scientist who created Metallo, and was placed in the robot's chest cavity. After battling Superman, Metallo and the Kryptonite was stolen by Lex Luthor. Pieces of the chunk were shaved off, some formed into bullets used by the villain Bloodsport, and another piece used to create a special signet ring for Lex Luthor himself. The ring eventually ended up in Batman's hands, and while Superman holds the rest of the natural Kryptonite in his Fortress, both Luthor and Batman have had varying degrees of success in recent years duplicating the substance.

4) By the mid-80s, mad scientists were no longer all the rage, so Lex Luthor became a billionaire industrialist. Pre-1986. Luthor was a boyhood friend of Superboy, but hated Superboy after an accident caused Luthor's hair to fall out (hey, it was the 50s). Modern times, Luthor's wealth makes him powerful beyond compare, and his hatred of Superman stems from the fact that as long as Superman exists, Luthor is no longer the most powerful man in Metropolis. Plus, only Superman is aware of Lex's true nature. To most people, he is the generous billionaire benefactor of Metropolis (and currently, President of the US), but Superman and a few others know the truth and are dedicated to exposing him.

So yeah that's the bulk of what they changed in 1986. Most of those changes stuck, but the recent "Superman: Birthright" maxi-series seems dedicated to "undoing" the Byrne mini-series (i.e., Superman WAS born on Krypton, the S shield was the El family crest like in the movies), so we'll see what happens in the near future. Personally, I think Byrne's version was the best version EVER of Superman and revamping it is a big mistake, but what do I know.

hhhmm cool, but how long did this go on for, before they changed superman again.

[cqb101]

Nope. Despite the fact I have Logan on my Avvy...I'm a Gambit fan myself. :P

Really? Damn. I thought I was alone.

[Mars-Chan]

Nope! ^^ I am a Logan AND Gambit fan. :evilgrin:
"Pick a flaming card...ANY flaming card...I DARE you!"

[cqb101]

Hmmmmmm, I'll take the ace of spades. :D

[Raven]

i use to like gambit, but than I kinda forgot about the xmen. im sure i'll like him again when they put him in a xmen movie

[Mars-Chan]

*tosses flaming Ace of Spades onto nearest wall* There ya go. *tosses the rest of deck onto same wall* :D

[Dr. Doom]

http://www.myezboard.com/projects/ezboard/ezboard_userimages/magicsrpgrealm/images/gambit-super.gif

[cqb101]

http://www.myezboard.com/projects/ezboard/ezboard_userimages/magicsrpgrealm/images/gambit-super.gif

I had that on my sig, until I replaced it with this banner.

[Dr. Doom]

s'a good banner. I was grinning ear to ear during that part of the episode.

[The Stryker]

Bamf! *appears*

You are all fools!!!!!

Nightcrawler ownz Gambit!..even though i too am a gambit fan....heck i gave cqb the quote in his banner

never got any credit!!!!

but....oh well!

Night-Spider AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bamf!!*disappears*

[Leo656]

hhhmm cool, but how long did this go on for, before they changed superman again.

Most of it is still official canon, the only things that have changed have actually been details of Superman's arrival on Earth from Krypton, which according to the new "Superman: Birthright" series had Kal-El once again born on Krypton, a Krypton which bears no resemblance at all to John Byrne's version that we've seen in the book for the past 17 years. They're trying to squeeze this origin into already established continuity without changing everything that's come since then, and I think it's a dumb idea.

But yeah all the rest of the changes stuck and are still official today.

[Dane E5R]

Can someone post a picture of Jim Lee's Superman?

[Dr. Doom]

I'll scan one later if nobody does

[Raven]

ok heres a pretty cool picture to the cover of bataman hush 612

http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/Batman612.jpg

[Leo656]

My only small complaint is that Lee's Superman in that issue seemed too "dark" (which works within the context of a Batman comic but when he takes over on Superman in a couple months it won't look quite right). Hopefully on the regular Superman books, Superman will be depicted in the bright, bold manner befitting the character. I think Lee can pull it off.

[Raven]

ya, but most of the time he was around was when it was night out, but i know what you mean by to dark, but than again he was under poison ives control

by the way, when did you here lee was drawing for superman?

[Leo656]

The new issue of Wizard titled "Wizard Zero". Starting March 2004, all the Superman books get brand new (and MUCH needed) creative teams.

SUPERMAN - writing by Brian Azzarello ("100 Bullets"), art by Jim Lee ("Batman")

ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN - writing by Greg Rucka ("Wonder Woman"), artist yet to be announced

ACTION COMICS - writing by Chuck Austen ("Uncanny X-Men"), artist yet to be announced.

Basically, the idea is to reinvigorate Superman the way they did Batman this past year, by putting A-list talent on the Superman books to increase the quality and gain new fan interest. Jim Lee was planning another 6-issue run on Batman after the six-issue follow-up to "Hush" was over, but now he'll be delaying his return to Batman until after his 12-issue run on Superman is finished.

I know *I* can't wait. :D

[Raven]

oh....i coulda found that out tommorow, Im gonna pick up a bunch of comics tommorow.

has loius lane had any changes to her?

[Leo656]

Aside from the fact that her hair went from black to brown and back to black again within the past 15 years, and the fact the current writers insist on writing her as a damn bitch, not a whole lot.

The Superman books rather suck right now, which is why I'm even more anxiously awaiting the new creatives. The current writers are doing almost everything wrong. Superman/Batman is good though, as if there was any doubt.

[Pepzi]

Mr Burns, hes my fav villin!

[Dr. Doom]

Never was a big fan of Supes. I always found him to be somewhat two-dimensional with the whole "I have every power" thing.

[Psycrow]

Marvel? Like they're innocent? Can we say "Spider-Clone"? How about "Age of Apocalypse"? The screw up their own characters enough as it is, too. My main issue between DC and Marvel is that, ok, say you don't read Superman. It's still possible to pick it up at random, and be given a quick rundown on what's going on, so you at least have a basic understanding of it. When an old character or nemesis shows up, you're told what their importance is. As opposed to a book like, say, X-Men, which if you haven't been reading it for the past 15 years it's next to impossible to get into and understand without the aid of a stack of back issues, a Wizard compendium, diagrams and a flow chart.

Both companies have problems, believe me. DC's is that they often treat their secondary characters better than their big name characters, which is why the Superman books are pretty crappy right now. That's gonna change when the new creative team hops on board soon, though, oh yes. :evilgrin:

You pretty much nailed it right on the button there. But I prefer Marvel because I'm a fan of the Silver Surfer and Spiderman. The Green Lantern that DC has is an example of writers totally butchering the character and changing him too much. In fact, the GL barely defeats such mediocre villians that it's not even worth reading about sometimes.

And to the previous comments, Gambit was my favorite of the X-Men. In fact, he's the only one I like in that whole comic line. I hate reading about the adventures of Logan and how supposedly "Invincible" he is...

[Dr. Doom]

Anyone can have bad story arcs, Marvel doesn't suck just cause they made a mistake. I'm sure DC has ****ed up plenty of times. I thought Age Of Apocalypse was great, BTW.

[Barkworm]

I stopped buying American comics a few years ago (with a few exceptions) but Age of Apocalypse was imho the best X-Men-story ever!

[Leo656]

Ok, I'll retract age of Apocalypse. Spider-Clone was still the dumbest idea either company ever had, though.

[Dr. Doom]

I didn't know what to think of it when it happened. I thought it was stupid that Peter supposedly wasn't really Spider-man anymore.

[Barkworm]

I really liked Ben Reilly. I know I'm the only one though.

[Dr. Doom]

I never read Spider-Man that consistantly back then, so I was moreso than anything just like ".........Who the hell is this? Where did he come from?"


Anywho.......I never really made the list that this topic suggests, so here goes, in no particular order (except the first two).

Dr. Doom
The Joker
Magneto
Sabretooth
Holocaust (AoA)
Ganondorf (I saw him listed somewhere else, go figure)
Shredder
Green Goblin (movie)


that's probably it..........-=Shrugs=-

[cqb101]

I really liked Ben Reilly. I know I'm the only one though.

Heh. I like him too.

[That Matt Guy]

I just remembered the Gorilla in the Legion of Doom. What was the point of having a gorilla along with the "greatest criminal masterminds"?

[Dr. Doom]

That was Gorilla Grodd, The resident Flash villain in the LoD. He's super intelligent, if I'm not mistaken

[The Stryker]

Ben Reilly was a cool character...until they messed him up with the complicated storyline that is "Maximum Clonage"

and a big smart ape is flash's enemy?....and people say that "Jack O' Lantern" was a lame villian

the recent issues of x-men have been kinda..."Muh" thats why i only read the Ultimate X-men comics...much easier to follow

Another thing i love about spider-man is that he lives in a REAL city and that spawned one of the best issues of "Amazing" i ever read

The 9/11 issue was emotional and it dealt with real problems

and plus i like science origins more then the "I came from space" excuse

[Brodie]

Nice avatar, Stryker. Quesada's Daredevil is by far the best drawn.

[cqb101]

Nice avatar, Stryker. Quesada's Daredevil is by far the best drawn.

Yep.

[The Stryker]

i change hero identities whenever the next hero is in the mainstream

and with the Daredevil DVD out....might as well

but on the 15th im gonna change to a villian....tune in to see who!

same drome time

same drome webpage

[Donatello the turtle]

i raed some of the postes here so i think my will be original(part of them)
Orochimaru
pic:
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/Naruto_c166_01.png
garra
pic:
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/garaasand.jpg
Itachi
http://www.dodstudios.net/uploads/uploads/Naruto142_01.jpg
TMNT villans
spider-man villans(most of them)
and thet's it i think

[Dr. Doom]

Oh, I can't stand what Marvel's done with X-Men, all this Grant Morrison Frank Quitley crap. I think they've completely ruined it.

[Reznorite420]

I think they've completely ruined it.You think "they are" company ruined it. OK...

[Dr. Doom]

-=Blinks, looks around=- Did anyone else just catch that? Am I crazy, or did he just completelly change what I said?

[cqb101]

-=Blinks, looks around=- Did anyone else just catch that? Am I crazy, or did he just completelly change what I said?

He completely changed what you said.....He's weird like that.

[Amanda]

*re-reads it*

Er... *is totally confused also*

Amanda

[Mars-Chan]

****** her head--much like a puppy listening to Eminem* Huh? *******

[Raven]

runs around the room yelling "were all going to hell" I saw it in a dream!

[Mars-Chan]

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[Raven]

get me out of here, the demons are after me :o

[Donatello the turtle]

no one like orochimaru?or garra?or itachi?!

[cqb101]

no one like orochimaru?or garra?or itachi?!

:-?

[damnhooligan]

no one like orochimaru?or garra?or itachi?!

:-?

I second that.

[Raven]

no one like orochimaru?or garra?or itachi?!

:-?

I second that.

me to, but I take it that there from a anime

[damnhooligan]

no one like orochimaru?or garra?or itachi?!

:-?

I second that.

me to, but I take it that there from a anime

Aha, hence my ignorance.

[Raven]

:lol: i only guessed that, because I think he posted pictures of them....i think

[cqb101]

Heh. I watch a lot of anime and I've never heard of them......

[Donatello the turtle]

http://www.thetechnodrome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5264&postdays=0&postorder=asc&star t=140
.....

[cqb101]

http://www.thetechnodrome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5264&postdays=0&postorder=asc&star t=140
.....

So? It still doesn't explain what it is.....

[Donatello the turtle]

it's from naruto one of the best anime i ever seen :P evry week 1 more episode

[Dr. Doom]

They're nicely drawn, I'll give ya that

[Donatello the turtle]

They're nicely drawn, I'll give ya that
nice?this is ART not only nice!