New Issue of Entertainment Weekly to feature TMNT...amongst other things

[graphic_content]

The May/June Issue of Entertainment Weekly is to feature a rather provocative cover of Jessica Alba...

...but more importantly, a section on the new TMNT film

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- perhaps some new images are forthcoming?

[samxsteal]

The May/June Issue of Entertainment Weekly is to feature a rather provocative cover of Jessica Alba...

...but more importantly, a section on the new TMNT film

http://i.imgur.com/MBwxxo5.jpg?1

- perhaps some new images are forthcoming?

HAHAHAHA pretty sweet To bad no one around here sells them GUH lol

[TigerClaw]

Im sure who ever gets this issue, Will post screenshots of all the TMNT stuff, Who knows, Maybe some new images from the movie and more details about the story.

[prophecy718]

Never mind that...post more Jessica alba stuff

[plastroncafe]

Also Chris Pratt,...who they should have alternate covers of in exactly the same pose as Alba.

Just to be fair.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Also Chris Pratt,...who they should have alternate covers of in exactly the same pose as Alba.

Just to be fair.

i would buy that..please make it happen

[plastroncafe]

i would buy that..please make it happen

...

And now I kind of want one with PlatinumDunes Mikey doing the same thing.

I'll just be over here,...if anyone needs me...

[Candy Kappa]

If they actually do a eye candy scene with the turtles, like they did with Thor beef caking with his shirt off. I'd accept the designs in a heartbeat.

No, not really, but I'd give it two thumbs up.

[alliance]

would absolutely obliterate Alba...like wow....ah well atleast turtles got a spot on there, thats cool..hell it may sell more magazines with her on the cover lol

[Shark_Blade]

I love how the first words are "PERFECT SEX!" at the very top.

Like that's the very first thing on people's mind when looking at movie flicks magazines, amirite?

[CyberCubed]

Well that cover sure screamed, "FEMINISM" didn't it?

Its nice to know in the year 2014 women are still used as eye candy for sex appeal rather than real people. I wonder if they have an article saying women should stay in the kitchen too.

[Puddinpop]

Mmmm... The lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want, He maketh me to lie down in green pastures

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[CyberCubed]

Also Chris Pratt,...who they should have alternate covers of in exactly the same pose as Alba.

Just to be fair.

The cover is an accurate representation of today's society. Men like seeing this, and young girls wish they could look like her.

I don't think any teenage girls will be picking up Entertainment weekly.

[Shark_Blade]

Well that cover sure screamed, "FEMINISM" didn't it?

Its nice to know in the year 2014 women are still used as eye candy for sex appeal rather than real people. I wonder if they have an article saying women should stay in the kitchen too.
Female will always be seen as sex object it seems. And it sells.
I wonder what if women loses their beauty... will they no longer be worthy at all to the eyes of the world?

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[Puddinpop]

Can we stop with this MSNBC garbage please? Keep telling people that they're victims. It's the best way to keep everyone angry and divided. Women are performing better than men these days. They perform better in the job market. They perform better in college. Studies have shown that they are smarter with money and have better decision making skills. Women today have proven that they don't need a man to survive. It's so obvious what has been happening over the last five years alone.. Rile up the victimization rhetoric.. whether its race or gender, right out of the Saul Alinsky play book. It doesn't help anyone.

Men are sexualized just as much these days.

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We are just wired differently lol.

Anyways.. I'm hoping we get something new in this mag. Maybe some new pics with a detailed article attached. Fingers crossed.

[Shark_Blade]

Can we stop with this MSNBC garbage please? Keep telling people that they're victims. It's the best way to keep everyone angry and divided. Women are performing better than men these days. They perform better in the job market. They perform better in college. Studies have shown that they are smarter with money and have better decision making skills. Women today have proven that they don't need a man to survive. It's so obvious what has been happening over the last five years alone.. Rile up the victimization rhetoric.. whether its race or gender, right out of the Saul Alinsky play book. It doesn't help anyone.Stop deluding yourself, you're the one who starts making people angry and divided by suggesting women are superior than men, being an ignorant feminist. Keep on topic of entertainment magazine and tmnt.


Men are sexualized just as much these days.

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We are just wired differently lol.
Just being shirtless is nothing much for men. Some do labor work just like that. Plus we usually wear more down below and expose less skin than women.

And lol Men's health, not many men read that crap, even women don't. It's the entertainment magazine that has vast worldwide audience attention.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Hey guys, when's the release date for this? Like, is there a certain date this comes out, or do we up just know it comes out either this month or next month? Or is already out?

Haha, there's a flood of questions for you.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Hey guys, when's the release date for this? Like, is there a certain date this comes out, or do we up just know it comes out either this month or next month? Or is already out?

Haha, there's a flood of questions for you.

the bottom says may30th/june6th i would expect subscribers get it first then it hits stores

[samxsteal]

Hey guys, when's the release date for this? Like, is there a certain date this comes out, or do we up just know it comes out either this month or next month? Or is already out?

Haha, there's a flood of questions for you.

AVailable now in ITUNES
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[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

the bottom says may30th/june6th i would expect subscribers get it first then it hits stores

Yeah, I noticed that, but ... I just need a date to anticipate! Haha.

AVailable now in ITUNES

Awesome! Has anyone downloaded it yet? Would love to see some screen shots!

[samxsteal]

Yeah, I noticed that, but ... I just need a date to anticipate! Haha.



Awesome! Has anyone downloaded it yet? Would love to see some screen shots!

Yup might not be what some people want I love it and think its awesome but others will pick it apart and bash the crap out of it
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[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

color me impressed that they mentioned the tour and next mutation

may need to pick it up based on that alone


but no fred wolf toon or comic mention?

and bravo for actually showing the 2014 turtles in a new picture

but again i am very pleased it looks at least like a full page (hard to tell without it being a magazine)

with it being ETW i was expecting a little blurb like the usually do

[TigerClaw]

Yup might not be what some people want I love it and think its awesome but others will pick it apart and bash the crap out of it
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Nice to see a new image of the Turtles in a new action pose.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Looks sweet, cool how they called back to other versions also.

For the 'calling back' part, I think they may be more focused on some out there stuff a lot of people may not know about (save the 1990 image, I guess). That's awesome. Nice to see 2003 Turtles Forever in there!

I like it. Thanks, Adam!

[samxsteal]

Nice to see a new image of the Turtles in a new action pose.

Looks sweet, cool how they called back to other versions also.

For the 'calling back' part, I think they may be more focused on some out there stuff a lot of people may not know about (save the 1990 image, I guess). That's awesome. Nice to see 2003 Turtles Forever in there!

I like it. Thanks, Adam!

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[samxsteal]

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[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

sam i know its hard to tell cause its digital but is it supposed to be one of those big "one"(really 2) pages

[samxsteal]

sam i know its hard to tell cause its digital but is it supposed to be one of those big "one"(really 2) pages

its a Smaller glimpse yes and because of Digital I would say a 2-3 page spread

IM not going to get into another argument about the quantity of how much we have gotten of how we have been regularly feed bits almost every week since the first trailer.

But there some good Insight

And some stuff plenty of people will No doubt complain about and jump to conclusions about

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

its a Smaller glimpse yes and because of Digital I would say a 2-3 page spread

IM not going to get into another argument about the quantity

didnt post for reason of argument..from what i have seen i think its a nice spread..i should've worded better...lets say its a magazine..again its hard to think cause i know this is the digital copy

is it a spread or 3 different pages (i am fine with both)


but you dont have to answer this one was just clarifying....ill have to pick it up myself

[samxsteal]

didnt post for reason of argument..from what i have seen i think its a nice spread..i should've worded better...lets say its a magazine..again its hard to think cause i know this is the diginal copy

is it a spread or 3 different pages (i am fine with both)


but you dont have to answer this one was just clarifying....ill have to pick it up myself

Sorry lol

ITs all a matter og how it laid out , The section i edited Is a scroll feature But with font and everything It safe to just assume 2 pages at the least 3 at the most.

Sorry I just know once this is mainstream Its going to be picked apart just as much as everything else.

Though i will say They mention 350 Animators and artist working with ILM on these guys and much much more

The whole Mag Focuses On Jessica And sex no joke there three pages about sex in this thing SMH

But i could see EW having there own issue for TMNT specifically

[graphic_content]

Sorry lol

ITs all a matter og how it laid out , The section i edited Is a scroll feature But with font and everything It safe to just assume 2 pages at the least 3 at the most.

Sorry I just know once this is mainstream Its going to be picked apart just as much as everything else.

Though i will say They mention 350 Animators and artist working with ILM on these guys and much much more

The whole Mag Focuses On Jessica And sex no joke there three pages about sex in this thing SMH

But i could see EW having there own issue for TMNT specifically

Thanks for sharing bro, I cannot wait to get my hands on a copy and read in greater detail the stuff they reveal. I LOVE BTS stuff, which is no secret to anyone here. It's cool to see that an entire issue dedicated to Jessica Alba, has 3 dedicated pages to just the Turtles. I don't know why, but that is awesome.

[Puddinpop]

Stop deluding yourself, you're the one who starts making people angry and divided by suggesting women are superior than men, being an ignorant feminist. Keep on topic of entertainment magazine and tmnt.


Just being shirtless is nothing much for men. Some do labor work just like that. Plus we usually wear more down below and expose less skin than women.

And lol Men's health, not many men read that crap, even women don't. It's the entertainment magazine that has vast worldwide audience attention.
Looks like you have everyone on ignore but me lol. Who the hell are you calling an ignorant feminist? How would you like it if I called you an ignorant chauvinist for insulting someone that makes the point that women can hold their own in todays world and aren't just sex objects but excel in a lot of areas that men haven't lately? Watch the name calling to btw.. Shark. I ended on topic. Put me on ignore buddy.
Yup might not be what some people want I love it and think its awesome but others will pick it apart and bash the crap out of it
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Wow that's awesome!! Sam give me a ring if you want everyone left. I think its cool that he finally opened his mouth about his movie. To many people still think it's a Bay film. Can't wait for June. We should be getting more stuff

[samxsteal]

Thanks for sharing bro, I cannot wait to get my hands on a copy and read in greater detail the stuff they reveal. I LOVE BTS stuff, which is no secret to anyone here. It's cool to see that an entire issue dedicated to Jessica Alba, has 3 dedicated pages to just the Turtles. I don't know why, but that is awesome.

Agreed I was ecstatic when i found out it was Available and even more so reading the little bits the Magazine has to offer and the Images Are amazing I think the Digital has a 1 up on the physical copy for that alone Because i could just about zoom fully on to Leos eyes and see it in full HD

[Shark_Blade]

I'll be checking this issue on my iPad when I get home. Thanks for the heads up samxsteel. :D Looks like you have everyone on ignore but me lol. Who the hell are you calling an ignorant feminist? How would you like it if I called you an ignorant chauvinist for insulting someone that makes the point that women can hold their own in todays world and aren't just sex objects but excel in a lot of areas that men haven't lately? Watch the name calling to btw.. Shark. I ended on topic. Put me on ignore buddy.Oh, now you're treating women and men as equal. Before that you undermine us men?

Keep being ignorant and put that ignore function yourself.

[Puddinpop]

I'll be checking this issue on my iPad when I get home. Thanks for the heads up samxsteel. :D Oh, now you're treating women and men as equal. Before that you undermine us men?

Keep being ignorant and put that ignore function yourself.

I was making the point that victimizing people doesn't help anyone. Claiming that men don't get objectified just as much is just as ignorant. Your the one throwing temper tantrums about my post. Deal with it. If you haven't noticed. I am a male. I am also secure with my manhood. Which is something you seem to have an issue with. I'm sorry : /

[Candy Kappa]

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Oh man, looking at PD Donnie's hand, is he wielding the Power?

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[Puddinpop]

Oh man, looking at PD Donnie's hand, is he wielding the Power?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5a/Wizard1989.jpg/220px-Wizard1989.jpg

I just noticed that myself.. I'm interested in seeing how these gadgets come to use in the movie

[Jester]

Brings new meaning to the phrase, "It's so bad!"

HEY-OH!

[Chris_a_Bunga]

I hope Mikey doesn't actually have that tattoo in the movie and it was left there in the concept art:tmad:...

[zkarlette]

I hope Mikey doesn't actually have that tattoo in the movie and it was left there in the concept art:tmad:...

That is probably the last thing I would change, everything else it's just so wrong...:cry:

[Puddinpop]

Hmm.. just wait until you read what the article has to say lol. I KNOW it's going to get some people riled up after reading it

[Candy Kappa]

Riled up in a good way, or a bad way?

[Refractive Reflections]

:lol: Wait...

Um.. what type of "entertainment" are they discussing now with that cover? :lol: It's hilarious how the very first line of the cover says: "Perfect Sex! Let the Masters show you how p.40" or how the words for "[Your Summer] Must List" are next to Alba's chest. Those crafty cover page editors...:lol: Seems more like a cover of FHM or Maxim with that cover.

...Huh... oh yeah, Turtles are supposedly being discussed on here. :P Meh... Nothing really new here in terms of the Turtle designs, still looking horrible in my opinion, but um... Mikey's lips are blue now?:-? (Maybe I just didn't pay attention earlier...)

[Ninjinister]

What the f**k did I just walk in on?

[TigerClaw]

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That definitely looks like Donnie wearing the Power Glove, You can see the control panel part of it minus the glove part.

http://cdn01.nzgamer.com/features/1158_01.jpg

[Galactus]

Ugrh. Those designs don't get any better do they?

Regardless of were you stand on the issue of scantily clad ladies in media I think we can all agree it's for the better those turtles are not on the cover.

[Zulithe]

Dammit, *I* wanted to be the one to crack the "it's so bad" joke. Hrmph!

At least they mentioned the Ultimate Visual History. I hope it sells well.

[samxsteal]

That definitely looks like Donnie wearing the Power Glove, You can see the control panel part of it minus the glove part.

http://cdn01.nzgamer.com/features/1158_01.jpg I think it looks kind of cool could have modified it for something awesome


Ugrh. Those designs don't get any better do they?

Regardless of were you stand on the issue of scantily clad ladies in media I think we can all agree it's for the better those turtles are not on the cover.Seriously this is was Get me A little UP set
"Oh good thing they are on the cover, they're so ugly"
"OMG WHY AREN'T WE SEEING MORE TURTLES"

Which is is do you want to see more or dont you SMH :trolleye:

Dammit, *I* wanted to be the one to crack the "it's so bad" joke. Hrmph!

At least they mentioned the Ultimate Visual History. I hope it sells well. Im really excited For the Visual history

[Pondslider]

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At least Donatello doesn't have all that junk on his back in this picture.

Err.. or maybe you just can't see it because of the angle.

[DarkLightDragon]

I'm just going to keep resenting the excuse that "Oh they're mutants! they're supposed to look ugly!"

I don't like the designs. Plain and simple. How they're meant to look in a live-action film means jack-s*it to me.

EDIT: Also, if all mutants are meant to be ugly, then I guess we're purposefully excluding exceptions like Alopex or Koya, who were neither ugly in design or overly-sexualized furry-bait-to-distinguish-that-they're-girlz.

[Sumac]

It's strange that timeline didn't mention 2003 series, but noted Next Mutation and concert tour.

[Candy Kappa]

It's strange that timeline didn't mention 2003 series, but noted Next Mutation and concert tour.

And Turtles Forever... I guess 4Kids got shanked in favor of TF.

[Puddinpop]

Riled up in a good way, or a bad way?

Some bad some good.. depending on how you feel about the new film. They make some comparisons with the old and the new. They interviewed a marine biologist, Liebesman and Lucas film FX supervisor Pablo Helman " who led 350+ artist who helped create the characters new look ". It's an interesting read..

[Candy Kappa]

Marine biologist, sounds very interesting.

[plastroncafe]

Well that cover sure screamed, "FEMINISM" didn't it?

Its nice to know in the year 2014 women are still used as eye candy for sex appeal rather than real people. I wonder if they have an article saying women should stay in the kitchen too.

The cover is an accurate representation of today's society. Men like seeing this, and young girls wish they could look like her.

I don't think any teenage girls will be picking up Entertainment weekly.

Two perfect examples clearly illustrating just how little Cyber knows about Feminism, Society, and what girls like.

Can we stop with this MSNBC garbage please? Keep telling people that they're victims. It's the best way to keep everyone angry and divided. Women are performing better than men these days. They perform better in the job market. They perform better in college. Studies have shown that they are smarter with money and have better decision making skills. Women today have proven that they don't need a man to survive. It's so obvious what has been happening over the last five years alone.. Rile up the victimization rhetoric.. whether its race or gender, right out of the Saul Alinsky play book. It doesn't help anyone.

Men are sexualized just as much these days.

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We are just wired differently lol.


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=male+gaze

:lol: Wait...

Um.. what type of "entertainment" are they discussing now with that cover? :lol: It's hilarious how the very first line of the cover says: "Perfect Sex! Let the Masters show you how p.40" or how the words for "[Your Summer] Must List" are next to Alba's chest. Those crafty cover page editors...:lol: Seems more like a cover of FHM or Maxim with that cover.


Considering "Masters" is italics, I'm going to assume it's an article about the Showtime program Masters of Sex, a dramatization about the human behavioral scientists Masters and Johnson.

It's a cheap ploy, as is the image of Alba. Again, a cheap ploy that they could at least level the playing field for by having the same shot with "StarLord" in the pool.

Oh for the wasted opportunities.

[Puddinpop]

Two perfect examples clearly illustrating just how little Cyber knows about Feminism, Society, and what girls like.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=male+gaze

.

Stop trolling

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Seriously this is was Get me A little UP set
"Oh good thing they are on the cover, they're so ugly"
"OMG WHY AREN'T WE SEEING MORE TURTLES"

Which is is do you want to see more or dont you SMH :trolleye:


You know the leery crowd aren't a hive mind, right?

The ones saying "show more" aren't necessarily the same specific one saying they look bad.


Anyone else note that pic also seems to confirm collapsible bo?

Seeing it a little more clearly I hope the picture there isn't the final product. I don't like the dalmation-like spots on Leo's head. One of the things I didn't like from Secret of the Ooze was the added spots on them. It's far from a deal breaker, but they don't seem to be pronounced in the trailer that I've seen, so I figure that's a little different in this art. Just a personal nitpick I didn't like from the second and third movies, seeing it on Leo just reminds me is all.

I'm still more "nerd raged" by Raphael damn near literally having shell pecs and a six pack o' shell abs. I dun' like shell abs! -_-

The images look like the same ones we'll see in the Visual history book. No interest in buying a magazine for this, but will be interested to see if anyone scans just the pages in for our viewing pleasure. :)

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Weird how they just use the promo art for the turtles and non the actual CGI models. There have to be at least a few frames that've been completed by now.

[samxsteal]

Anyone else note that pic also seems to confirm collapsible bo?

it actually looks like part of it is Collapsible the other part not so much

Freeze the mountain slide shot only one end is telescopic

[SwiftNinjaFox]

it actually looks like part of it is Collapsible the other part not so much

Freeze the mountain slide shot only on end it telescopic

Can't tell 100% with the higher rez shot cut off, but looks like you're right. Wonder if when that end is collapsed it's regular bo sized and the extender is used for specific purposes or something.

Another thing I have noted that I love is with the turtles being much larger in this version than past ones, notice how small the handles of Leo's katanas look in his hands? I kind of like that. It shows the weapons weren't made for him; they were made for humans and his hands are much thicker/larger than an average human's hands.

[Leofan26]

It's strange that timeline didn't mention 2003 series, but noted Next Mutation and concert tour.

Dude, that sucks! That's my all time favorite version of the turtles :(

These people seem confused.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Dude, that sucks! That's my all time favorite version of the turtles :(

These people seem confused.

its EW..chance are they got an intern to look up the "major" talked about things in TMNT and chose these

[samxsteal]

its EW..chance are they got an intern to look up the "major" talked about things in TMNT and chose these

Or because 2k3 and TF are the same they just grouped them together???

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Or because 2k3 and TF are the same they just grouped them together???

some one at EW wouldnt know that, sure these guys are about movies...but they dont follow franchise years


plus its not a very solid argument since i could say the wolf series and TF are grouped together

theres nothing wrong if they dont know the difference its just a tabloid magazine

i mean these are the guys that when muppets 2011 came out said elmo was part of the muppet family and wanted to see the fraggles and big bird next to kermit

[GeneralTragg]

I am impressed they didn't just use that one pic of Leo that's floating around for the 2014 film. So is the article actually about the movie, or about the visual guide?

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

its EW..chance are they got an intern to look up the "major" talked about things in TMNT and chose these

I'd say that's a pretty likely scenario.

[samxsteal]

I am impressed they didn't just use that one pic of Leo that's floating around for the 2014 film. So is the article actually about the movie, or about the visual guide?

Talks about the movie

[TurtleTitan97]

The promo art for this movie honestly makes the Turtles look worst than they do in-movie (At least in my opinion).

[Glados]

The images of the 2014 turtles look so weird... like they were cut-and-pasted together, they're so inconsistent. Like, some areas look good, but then there'll be some mis-matched colors, blurriness, tube-legs and hands and feet that look like they were drawn by an 8 year old! What is going on...

[Candy Kappa]

The promo art for this movie honestly makes the Turtles look worst than they do in-movie (At least in my opinion).

Yeah, the sea turtle skin look isn't doing the designs any favors, or the hilariously colored lips. Way to make them even more protruding :lol:

[Glados]

The promo art for this movie honestly makes the Turtles look worst than they do in-movie (At least in my opinion).

Agreed. The CGI turtles actually do come across as better looking, the "art" they are tossing at us is not doing them much favors, unfortunately...

[samxsteal]

The images of the 2014 turtles look so weird... like they were cut-and-pasted together, they're so inconsistent. Like, some areas look good, but then there'll be some mis-matched colors, blurriness, tube-legs and hands and feet that look like they were drawn by an 8 year old! What is going on...

These are concept art.

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[electric_sheep]

Turtle with abbs who doesne't want that?
Also why do Raph and Donnie have completly diferent plastrons?

[marcelangelo]

so...this issue is out online at least, right?...and I assume from some of the comments made here(like ...oooh, some people here WONT like this and that about the movie..huh huh..) that some of you guys have already READ the article....
would you mind then sharing the news from that article with us here?
I can't undestand how we have a multi page long thread about this without ANY real information from the written piece at all....

[samxsteal]

so...this issue is out online at least, right?...and I assume from some of the comments made here(like ...oooh, some people here WONT like this and that about the movie..huh huh..) that some of you guys have already READ the article....
would you mind then sharing the news from that article with us here?
I can't undestand how we have a multi page long thread about this without ANY real information from the written piece at all....
i dont want to post the article because it cost money to get the magazine and posting the article online would be pirating the magazine so i didn't post it I could but i wont until some one else does.

[electric_sheep]

Humanoid Ninja Turtles with human musculature, that articulate the english language without lips. Hmm ... just as ridiculous as plastrons shaped like abs.

Oh, and trained by a midget sized, philosophical Japanese rat? Who doesn't want that doe?

Shut up, even you can't defend that, it's stupid...
The only reson why he has abbs is because he's a main turtle and has to look good for the ladies and aren't plastrons like suposed to be as hard as their shells?
Also that's the worst argument people can make, that's the same crap they pull when you talk about everything...

[Candy Kappa]

Yes, because the scutes would re-shape into simulating the musculature of a human torso...

[Candy Kappa]

But the plastron isn't muscles. It's made out of bone. WHY would it shape into faux muscles?

[sethmartin]

Does the article give any info on the plot or story lines? Origins?

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

so...this issue is out online at least, right?...and I assume from some of the comments made here(like ...oooh, some people here WONT like this and that about the movie..huh huh..) that some of you guys have already READ the article....
would you mind then sharing the news from that article with us here?
I can't undestand how we have a multi page long thread about this without ANY real information from the written piece at all....

It isn't a huge deal really. All it basically says is that the classic turtle designs are cheesy and the new ones are badass. It doesn't really offer anything new to the table. I was kind of disappointed after I read it actually.

[electric_sheep]

But the plastron isn't muscles. It's made out of bone. WHY would it shape into faux muscles?

Because science and he's got to have muscles because he can't be tough withouth muscles...

[samxsteal]

Does the article give any info on the plot or story lines? Origins?

Mostly they talk about the designs for the turtles.

[xChri5x]

i dont want to post the article because it cost money to get the magazine and posting the article online would be pirating the magazine so i didn't post it I could but i wont until some one else does.

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[electric_sheep]

Mostly they talk about the designs for the turtles.

Where did you read that, can you gives a link?

[Glados]

These are concept art.

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I know they're concept art... they still strike me as inconsistent, but i guess they are a bit excused being made probably without the intent of being promotional material.

[Candy Kappa]

Turtle bones aren't human shaped. Why would they elongate and mutate into bones identical to humans? You're trying to rationalize one element of fantasy over another. It makes no sense. Your argument hold no weight in reality when the very concept is mutating turtles that take on human characteristics physically.

So basically, your argument is " it's fantasy, anything flies". Good for you, but that still doesn't hold a whole lot of ground. It's still illogical that the acutes on a turtles plastron would form into the shape of pecks, abs and the whole Shebang like on a human torso. The plastron is still the ribcage covered in scutes.

Ribcage abs.

[Galactus]

Turtle bones aren't human shaped. Why would they elongate and mutate into bones identical to humans? You're trying to rationalize one element of fantasy over another. It makes no sense. Your argument hold no weight in reality when the very concept is mutating turtles that take on human characteristics physically.

Well remind people of that when they argue the Bay designs are more realistic with their protruding lips and nostrils and that mutant turtles would be monstrous looking and that the real TMNT would wear clothes because their individuals and so on and so on...

While that particular art isn't the worst depiction of the Bay designs, after all it has something close to their classic faces I still think Leo and Mike's expression look kinda dopey, like their half asleep despite their "dynamic" poses.

It isn't a huge deal really. All it basically says is that the classic turtle designs are cheesy and the new ones are badass. It doesn't really offer anything new to the table. I was kind of disappointed after I read it actually.

*sigh I've said this before but trashing previous iterations is not going endear this new version to fans or indeed the casual audience but it seems to be one of the few constants from people involved in this movie.

Even before reading that I thought that looking at the article and the pictures they chose to represent past iterations they chose pretty poor representations for most and the fact that they include generally overlooked things like the Coming Out of Ours Shells Tour and the Next Mutation which are well known for their bad costumes I thought they were trying to subtlety show their designs as better...now it seems there was nothing subtle about it.

[electric_sheep]

Well remind people of that when they argue the Bay designs are more realistic with their protruding lips and nostrils and that mutant turtles would be monstrous looking and that the real TMNT would wear clothes because their individuals and so on and so on...

While that particular art isn't the worst depiction of the Bay designs, after all it has something close to their classic faces I still think Leo and Mike's expression look kinda dopey, like their half asleep despite their "dynamic" poses.



*sigh I've said this before but trashing previous iterations is not going endear this new version to fans or indeed the casual audience but it seems to be one of the few constants from people involved in this movie.

Even before reading that I thought that looking at the article and the pictures they chose to represent past iterations they chose pretty poor representations for most and the fact that they include generally overlooked things like the Coming Out of Ours Shells Tour and the Next Mutation which are well known for their bad costumes I thought they were trying to subtlety show their designs as better...now it seems there was nothing subtle about it.

Awesome, respect of the source...

[Puddinpop]

Just like a turtle leg, and arms would end up mutating into this:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/20565/Ninjaturtlescreatures.jpg

Exact human musculature. But the plastrons being shaped in human musculature after the mutation is what you want to cry foul about? The very concept of turtles mutating into human shaped creatures, being able to speak is absurd.

Do you guys have ANY idea how ridiculous you sound arguing one element of absurd sci-fi being more plausible than another?

:lol:

It makes total sense for them to have these human musculature traits, but defining the plastron to the mutated human form as well ... accentuating their strength, and superhero type status is just "RIDICULOUS", right?

LMAO
I guess we are the only ones picking and choosing which characteristics are appropriate/ inappropriate for these characters to suit our own arguments lol.
Does the article give any info on the plot or story lines? Origins?
Unfortunately no.. It just talks about how the old turtles had mouths that didn't articulate well and had huge teeth. " Gone are the cheesy grins " stuff like that. That's what I meant when I said that some might feel a little offended after reading it. They talk about looking at tons of different skin and textures from different reptiles for inspiration, along with a few quotes from a few interviews.

[Sumac]

All it basically says is that the classic turtle designs are cheesy and the new ones are badass
So, vaguely reptillian blue lips hulks are more badass, than lean and fast athletes with Turtle-like faces? What a bulldang.
Besides, it's funny, that they use the same sentiment, that was in use by some of the defenders of this movie. If you do not believe in coincidences, this allows for some interesting conclusions...:roll:

Even before reading that I thought that looking at the article and the pictures they chose to represent past iterations they chose pretty poor representations for most and the fact that they include generally overlooked things like the Coming Out of Ours Shells Tour and the Next Mutation which are well known for their bad costumes I thought they were trying to subtlety show their designs as better...now it seems there was nothing subtle about it.
Than it doubly strange that they omitted 2003 series, even though in this one Turtles are somewhat close to the "Bay-o-freaks". Or maybe they omitted them exactly because they were quite similar to the 2014 designs, but much-much better and more true to the source.

And muscles shaped plastron is ridiculous.

[Glados]

So, vaguely reptillian blue lips hulks are more badass, than lean and fast athletes with Turtle-like faces? What a bulldang.
Besides, it's funny, that they use the same sentiment, that was in use by some of the defenders of this movie. If you do not believe in coincidences, this allows for some interesting conclusions...:roll:


Than it doubly strange that they omitted 2003 series, even though in this one Turtles are somewhat close to the "Bay-o-freaks". Or maybe they omitted them exactly because they were quite similar to the 2014 designs, but much-much better and more true to the source.

And muscles shaped plastron is ridiculous.

While I do agree with some of the stuff you said (poor 2003 series, why are you always forgotten in stuff like this), I don't agree with that the 90's turtles had more "Turtle-like faces", but it's the face designs that most people are used to.

[pennydreadful]

Trying to think of something positive to add here... at least it counts as publicity, I suppose?

[electric_sheep]

Trying to think of something positive to add here... at least it counts as publicity, I suppose?
http://s10.postimg.org/g9wsqha3t/hjg.jpg
It gave us Gremlin Mike...

[pennydreadful]

http://s10.postimg.org/g9wsqha3t/hjg.jpg
It gave us Gremlin Mike...

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[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I know another thread mentioned this...but Donnie has a power glove on his hand?

YAgu7GwbFdM


Because remember...It's So Bad.

[samxsteal]

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Where did you read that, can you gives a link?

IM the one who got the article I have it on my Wife Ipad lol IM the one who posted the turtle photos lol

[Fjaj]

So basically, your argument is " it's fantasy, anything flies". Good for you, but that still doesn't hold a whole lot of ground. It's still illogical that the acutes on a turtles plastron would form into the shape of pecks, abs and the whole Shebang like on a human torso. The plastron is still the ribcage covered in scutes.


I can understand why you don't like the designs, but I don't think you should argue about the realism of the designs. The turtles designs have never been realistic, they are almost always depicted with three fingers and two toes, when in reality turtles have 5 claws on their hands and 4 claws on their feet (the Turtles have never had claws either), and I'm sure you could argue more. The designs of the turtles are always more focused on looking good than actually being realistic. However, many people do no think these turtles look good, so their designers failed on some level.

[samxsteal]

I can understand why you don't like the designs, but I don't think you should argue about the realism of the designs. The turtles designs have never been realistic, they are almost always depicted with three fingers and two toes, when in reality turtles have 5 claws on their hands and 4 claws on their feet (the Turtles have never had claws either), and I'm sure you could argue more. The designs of the turtles are always more focused on looking good than actually being realistic. However, many people do no think these turtles look good, so their designers failed on some level.

but its still funny if this was Just a fan project it wouldn't even matter no one would be complaining about these designs at least on on the level we're getting now.

[Pondslider]

but its still funny if this was Just a fan project it wouldn't even matter no one would be complaining about these designs at least on on the level we're getting now.

If these were fan designs then there wouldn't be the reality of basically being stuck with them for close to a decade if this turns into a series of movies.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

The promo art for this movie honestly makes the Turtles look worst than they do in-movie (At least in my opinion).

Yeah, the sea turtle skin look isn't doing the designs any favors, or the hilariously colored lips. Way to make them even more protruding :lol:

Agreed. The CGI turtles actually do come across as better looking, the "art" they are tossing at us is not doing them much favors, unfortunately...

Agreed. But, I mean ... at least we got something. Cool to see the turtles in poses, but wish it would've been the real deal CGI turtles.

[Commenter 42]

Just like a turtle leg, and arms would end up mutating into this:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/20565/Ninjaturtlescreatures.jpg

Exact human musculature. But the plastrons being shaped in human musculature after the mutation is what you want to cry foul about? The very concept of turtles mutating into human shaped creatures, being able to speak is absurd.

Do you guys have ANY idea how ridiculous you sound arguing one element of absurd sci-fi being more plausible than another?

:lol:


It makes total sense for them to have these human musculature traits, but defining the plastron to the mutated human form as well ... accentuating their strength, and superhero type status is just "RIDICULOUS", right?

LMAO

Great argument, because, if you're going to change the design, why would you look at nature? Seriously, why bother? Why not just **** it right up, and call yourself an artist!

Let's go ahead and make a TMNT movie, but forget plausibility, why bother! We're only spending millions, and, it's science fiction, so to heck with it!

Big goofy lips for everyone! Bullet proof Muscle-shells!

Gah...

[electric_sheep]

Remember this to be the day You almost caught Captain Hinkle Cookie Beard
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IM the one who got the article I have it on my Wife Ipad lol IM the one who posted the turtle photos lol

Awesome, so does that mean yes?

[Candy Kappa]

I can understand why you don't like the designs, but I don't think you should argue about the realism of the designs. The turtles designs have never been realistic, they are almost always depicted with three fingers and two toes, when in reality turtles have 5 claws on their hands and 4 claws on their feet (the Turtles have never had claws either), and I'm sure you could argue more. The designs of the turtles are always more focused on looking good than actually being realistic. However, many people do no think these turtles look good, so their designers failed on some level.

I'm pretty sure I've counted 5 digits on my red-eared/yellow-bellied sliders hind legs... Not sure where you get the 4 from.

And sure, it's all fantasy, but still. If the plastron, which is the turtle's ribcage covered in keratin scutes shaped like the musculature of a human, why isn't the carapace the same? Why isn't the carapace's scutes simulating shoulder plates, back muscles and all that juicy stuff?

Because it's a shell? So is the plastron, it's the same shell. There are some very jarring design choices in these designs.

And a few interesting tidbits that's just useless knowledge. In the concept art pages on one of the printings of #1, it's shown that the Turtles was originally going to have claws, retractable claws, but to my knowledge that have never been used, but the Turtles have for the most part been depicted claw/nail-less besides a few instances, like the live action movies and the game OotS. And as for the three digit on the hands and two on the feet, it's sort of incorrect. The heel is supposed to be the third toe as the heel is extra elongated, but I don't think that is ever utilized or brought up, and only appears mostly in early Mirage art style and Lawson's art style.

[Andrew Farago]

Very cool to see the book get a mention, and I'm glad that they stuck my name in there, too. That's going to move about ten extra copies of the magazine once my family hears about it.

[electric_sheep]

I'm pretty sure I've counted 5 digits on my red-eared/yellow-bellied sliders hind legs... Not sure where you get the 4 from.

And sure, it's all fantasy, but still. If the plastron, which is the turtle's ribcage covered in keratin scutes shaped like the musculature of a human, why isn't the carapace the same? Why isn't the carapace's scutes simulating shoulder plates, back muscles and all that juicy stuff?

Because it's a shell? So is the plastron, it's the same shell. There are some very jarring design choices in these designs.

And a few interesting tidbits that's just useless knowledge. In the concept art pages on one of the printings of #1, it's shown that the Turtles was originally going to have claws, retractable claws, but to my knowledge that have never been used, but the Turtles have for the most part been depicted claw/nail-less besides a few instances, like the live action movies and the game OotS. And as for the three digit on the hands and two on the feet, it's sort of incorrect. The heel is supposed to be the third toe as the heel is extra elongated, but I don't think that is ever utilized or brought up, and only appears mostly in early Mirage art style and Lawson's art style.

Maybe mutagen turned their ribcage into a thick layer of skin and gave them a completly new humanoid ribcage instead of evolving their bones into more human like shape...

[Puddinpop]

So basically, your argument is " it's fantasy, anything flies". Good for you, but that still doesn't hold a whole lot of ground. It's still illogical that the acutes on a turtles plastron would form into the shape of pecks, abs and the whole Shebang like on a human torso. The plastron is still the ribcage covered in scutes.

Ribcage abs.
You seem to be obsessed with this plastron. It's non stop with this one area. Both arguments are illogical. We don't get to pick what's appropriate or inappropriate to suit our arguments. Do you honestly think that the 1990 designs/suits were more realistic or logical? To be fair.. claiming either way is ridiculous
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IM the one who got the article I have it on my Wife Ipad lol IM the one who posted the turtle photos lol

Hahahaha That is priceless dude.

[Candy Kappa]

Maybe mutagen turned their ribcage into a thick layer of skin and gave them a completly new humanoid ribcage instead of evolving their bones into more human like shape...



But then... The carapace must have detached from the spine and taken the back part of the ribs with it, since the spine and ribs are fused with dermal bones to make the shell, the pelvis bones are also fused to the shell (but not on Cryptodira) so a new spine have to be grown as well as a new ribcage, cause there won't be any left of the "old" ribcage since it IS a part of the shell, the bridges are mutated to oblivion, and the plastron mutates from dermal bones and kreatin scutes into a thick layer of hide simulating the muscles of a beefcake.

And if they aren't of the Cryptodira suborder, the pelvis have to snap off to added mobility, or else it would be stupid if the still where attached to the former spine that is now just a hanging carapace, stuck on the turtle by only being attached to the skin...

That gotta be a painful procedure... The mutagen might have some healing abilities like the ooze in IDW :lol:

http://kawarthaturtle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/shell_anatomy300.bmp


You seem to be obsessed with this plastron. It's non stop with this one area. Both arguments are illogical. We don't get to pick what's appropriate or inappropriate to suit our arguments. Do you honestly think that the 1990 designs/suits were more realistic or logical? To be fair.. claiming either way is ridiculous

Is it though?
Of course it is ridiculous, we're talking about bipedal turtles. But the Henson turtles had a lot going on in them, their musculature might be similar to a humans but they are still somewhat different, be it by design or Henson Creature Shop isn't as good as anatomy as one would think.

And it do boil down to taste. I personally prefer the turtles to be... Well turtles, they have a human-like structure, but they still in several incarnations hold a lot of turtle esthetics, like their limbs. The fore arms and legs are much wider then their shoulders (often depicted in Mirage and Nicktoon) which is very similar to a Slider, they have small shoulders but wider paws, and big feet. The shell is the defining feature of the TMNT as that usually is the link that they are turtles and not just Repilians, removing the shell bridge won't add flexibility, it'll just add "stupid". And make the plastron look like a fit human's torso complete with scutes shaped like abs, removes more and more of their turtle ness.

[electric_sheep]

But then... The carapace must have detached from the spine and taken the back part of the ribs with it, since the spine and ribs are fused with dermal bones to make the shell, the pelvis bones are also fused to the shell (but not on Cryptodira) so a new spine have to be grown as well as a new ribcage, cause there won't be any left of the "old" ribcage since it IS a part of the shell, the bridges are mutated to oblivion, and the plastron mutates from dermal bones and kreatin scutes into a thick layer of hide simulating the muscles of a beefcake.

And if they aren't of the Cryptodira suborder, the pelvis have to snap off to added mobility, or else it would be stupid if the still where attached to the former spine that is now just a hanging carapace, stuck on the turtle by only being attached to the skin...

That gotta be a painful procedure... The mutagen might have some healing abilities like the ooze in IDW :lol:

http://kawarthaturtle.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/shell_anatomy300.bmp




Is it though?
Of course it is ridiculous, we're talking about bipedal turtles. But the Henson turtles had a lot going on in them, their musculature might be similar to a humans but they are still somewhat different, be it by design or Henson Creature Shop isn't as good as anatomy as one would think.

And it do boil down to taste. I personally prefer the turtles to be... Well turtles, they have a human-like structure, but they still in several incarnations hold a lot of turtle esthetics, like their limbs. The fore arms and legs are much wider then their shoulders (often depicted in Mirage and Nicktoon) which is very similar to a Slider, they have small shoulders but wider paws, and big feet. The shell is the defining feature of the TMNT as that usually is the link that they are turtles and not just Repilians, removing the shell bridge won't add flexibility, it'll just add "stupid". And make the plastron look like a fit human's torso complete with scutes shaped like abs, removes more and more of their turtle ness.

Or it's just crappy desings :D
The truth is that he has abbs because that looks "Cool" it's just to show you that he is the tough guy (Because muscles mean tough, right?). It's also a compensation for crappy writing, instead of writing charachter corectly they will just design him to look tough because characher depth, what's that?

[Candy Kappa]

I know... But it still annoys me to no end.

[electric_sheep]

I know... But it still annoys me to no end.

Same here, but trying to explain it just brings coments like "Duuuh they are giant mutant reptiles who eat Italian food and practice martial arts, it's all stupid".

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah, there's a name for that, but it escapes me. Andrew would know it :lol:

Found it.

Crisler's Law.
The law of averages that states that sooner or later in a reason-minded discussion about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, someone will attempt to refute the entire discussion or argument with a statement equivalent to "But we're talking about four mutant ninja turtles living in a sewer!"

[Raptor86]

I agree with Candy Kappa. I'd prefer the TMNTs had a real carapace, with shell bridge etc. (like the Nickelodeon ones).
But I kinda like the new design, though.

[Glados]

I can understand why you don't like the designs, but I don't think you should argue about the realism of the designs. The turtles designs have never been realistic, they are almost always depicted with three fingers and two toes, when in reality turtles have 5 claws on their hands and 4 claws on their feet (the Turtles have never had claws either), and I'm sure you could argue more. The designs of the turtles are always more focused on looking good than actually being realistic. However, many people do no think these turtles look good, so their designers failed on some level.

Well said again! The turtles have never obeyed to the laws of "true turtle biology", there's no need to get all SCIENCE every time there's something one doesn't like about the design. And as I've mentioned before, they are mostly a blend of human and turtle, looking exclusively in the turtle-direction of biology just doesn't fly in my head. Doesn't mean it ain't okay to be displeased with aspects of the new look, tho

[TigerClaw]

I send a tweet to the artist that made the design of the Turtles, If that is a power glove on Donatello's arm? And he Favorited it. :)

[marcelangelo]

i dont want to post the article because it cost money to get the magazine and posting the article online would be pirating the magazine so i didn't post it I could but i wont until some one else does.
thanks for answering.I wasn't asking anybody to share the article itself...I only ask of any new info on the film?I thought thats what we all are here for?
also, where I live we don't have this magazine I think...so is there really any news in there?

[Glados]

I send a tweet to the artist that made the design of the Turtles, If that is a power glove on Donatello's arm? And he Favorited it. :)

I may not be in favor of all the junk on Don's back... but the power glove, gotta love that!

[samxsteal]

thanks for answering.I wasn't asking anybody to share the article itself...I only ask of any new info on the film?I thought thats what we all are here for?
also, where I live we don't have this magazine I think...so is there really any news in there?

Mostly it talk about the design and how they went about figuring out the skin texture and color looking at hundreds of different reptiles, that the older design Rockport suit for mobility and expressive turtles, that they have 350 plus artists and animators, and that they talked with marine biologist and the turtles are technically teenagers

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

looking at hundreds of different reptiles,

not to be that guy...BUTTTT....shouldn't they have been looking at you know....Turtles...not different reptiles



Disney Animators watched Lion's not Tigers when they where drawing The Lion King

[SwiftNinjaFox]

And make the plastron look like a fit human's torso complete with scutes shaped like abs, removes more and more of their turtle ness.

But we wanted to make them very expressive and draw out the human element so you'd relate better with them. ;)


Mostly it talk about the design and how they went about figuring out the skin texture and color looking at hundreds of different reptiles, that the older design Rockport suit for mobility and expressive turtles, that they have 350 plus artists and animators, and that they talked with marine biologist and the turtles are technically teenagers

Wait, what?

[Bry]

If these were fan designs then there wouldn't be the reality of basically being stuck with them for close to a decade if this turns into a series of movies.

Ding ding ding!

I'm sorry, guys. Nope. These designs are terrible. Ugly, overdone and unappealing on damn near every level. It's trying way, way too hard to be "bad-ass", and as a rule, I find when someone has meddled this much with the core design of something, it's a pretty big red flag that they've missed the point and appeal of the characters/concept on a fundamental level.

It's my opinion and nobody else has to share it, but there is no way I'm paying money to look at these hideous things for two hours.

[Matt2310]

Ding ding ding!

I'm sorry, guys. Nope. These designs are terrible. Ugly, overdone and unappealing on damn near every level. It's trying way, way too hard to be "bad-ass", and as a rule, I find when someone has meddled this much with the core design of something, it's a pretty big red flag that they've missed the point and appeal of the characters/concept on a fundamental level.

It's my opinion and nobody else has to share it, but there is no way I'm paying money to look at these hideous things for two hours.


so dont? no one is forcing you to see this movie, just because YOU specifically dont like the way they look doesnt mean sh*t, ive been a TMNT fan SINCE I CAN REMEMBER and ill always love 87' TMNT and the first 2 live action films and as much as id love for them to look like they always have its OK to open up to something new

we got 2 weak ass trailers maybe because they dont want to ruin the damn movie like every other company showing everything in the trailer, if you dont like how they look then GET OVER IT, your opinion isnt bringing them back to the drawing board

....i think they look pretty cool, for a fresh new take on things...

[DarkLightDragon]

You know, it's generalizing posts like that made me remember why I left this place to such a long while...

[SwiftNinjaFox]

I eased back on posting for a while because it was made clear that if I didn't love this movie, my opinion was irrelevant.

And I like to think I do a decent job of detailing my problems with it and acknowledging that I like some things, but still sometimes get the impression that isn't enough and I need to STFU and GTFO. :p

I actually joined the forum because of the IDW comics sucking me back in, then the Nick toon. Then I got drawn into paying attention to the movie. ;)

[DarkLightDragon]

I just don't like it how my dislike for this movie and it's existence somehow gives people the impression that I want it to fail and make everything before magically make everything better. It's that kind stuck-up elitism that while is present on both sides, I can't stand the thought of me being a part of that when my problems with this movie ranges from beyond superficial.

There is and has been nothing about this movie to gain my interest or trust for it to be worth my time. That's it. The fact that people are willing to make it a problem is pathetically stupid and they're only making their problem and not mine.

[Puddinpop]

Same here, but trying to explain it just brings coments like "Duuuh they are giant mutant reptiles who eat Italian food and practice martial arts, it's all stupid".
I love how you post these things... like " shhh I thinks he's gone now" WOW WHAT A REJECT HAHA THATS SO STUPID HAHAH. I guess you can call us the " Crisler's crowd" now lol. I guess it's people like me that go out of my way to find things to grip about every day.. like Yoga pants and people not fainting good enough. Bc our reasons for thinking that this new stuff is badass are totally annoying and illogical right? lol It's not like anyone has tried in recent past to explain why in a more detailed way over and over and over and over and over again, just to receive replies like /KCvhvmFPC5Q from you. I'm sorry. I will try not to be so dismissive in the future ok? : ) I forgot about the fact that people have been so welcoming and understanding of other peoples opinions on both sides around here and.. I mean really all you have to do is just explain why you like something and never have to worry about being chastised for it. Ever. So it's not a giant waste of time at all. So next time ill try harder, bc I know it will get me places around here with open-minded folks like yourself : )

Yeah, there's a name for that, but it escapes me. Andrew would know it :lol:

Found it.

Crisler's Law.
The law of averages that states that sooner or later in a reason-minded discussion about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, someone will attempt to refute the entire discussion or argument with a statement equivalent to "But we're talking about four mutant ninja turtles living in a sewer!"
LMAO that's a good one. Great time to pull that one out

I guess it all comes down to taste.. not right or wrong. I guess it's people like me " bc lets be honest here, I know to whom you are referring to in those spoiler tags lol" and the " crowd" I am in only resort to this " Crisler's law" while having debates, and it's folks like you and sheep that hold all knowledge and all of the correct logical answers around here. Lets not pretend that people haven't tried in the past and have gotten absolutely nowhere, and there is a reason why people get nowhere around here while debating which anatomy/design is more " logical" .. We can sit here and go back and forth all day long with our superiority complexes while covertly doing a million google searches and reading books on plastron and turtle anatomy but at the end of the day There is nothing " reason-minded about it, "we're talking about four mutant ninja turtles living in a sewer!"
It's exhausting is what it is. Pretty sure that is what you're witnessing, fatigue. Spinning wheels stuck in mud. Every day it's something else and that's fine but it really doesn't matter anyways bc this film was " doomed " from the start regardless of how accurate or realistic these designs were. Ill just save myself some time and just... admit, that the older suits were way more " turtlish" than these retched things. They were more realistic, more logical.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Has anyone read the article that can elaborate on what Sam said?

That comment about "they're technically teenagers" caught me off guard.

Details?

[Puddinpop]

Has anyone read the article that can elaborate on what Sam said?

That comment about "they're technically teenagers" caught me off guard.

Details?

Send me a PM

[samxsteal]

not to be that guy...BUTTTT....shouldn't they have been looking at you know....Turtles...not different reptiles



Disney Animators watched Lion's not Tigers when they where drawing The Lion KingARe turtle not included int hat Yup im sure they didn't look at any turtles nope.

ANd THATS NOT EVEN THE SAME, they looked at lion for the body movie ments how they walk moved talked even, Sure i guess they looked at the fir But i hardly doubt the animated the fur 100% like a lion, lol

These are mutated turtles and really the OG turtle dont have that realistic turtle skin either so whats your point, SO they make a step to add detail to these Character and its never good enough, I Understand being a cynic But really it getting ridiculous,

We get them talking about looking ad Actual reptiles trying to fine textures
Them talking about using 350+ animators and artist to fully develop the turtle of which is a huge fan of turtle and had a heavy hand in the designs whos a member on these forums.

Then we get info about them talking with a Marine Biologist and talking about turtles

And you still find as many hole to poke and rip open

[Chris_a_Bunga]

I can't get over Mikey's lips and tattoo, and Leo's expression. Def not great promo art to show for this film, they actually look way better in the movie. They've got terrible marketing people..

[TheOracle]

Aaaaand that was a bit of a let down. Got the magazine in the mail today because I subscribe and as much as I'm glad they got something in there that's more than a blurb, there wasn't anything new. Oh well.

[samxsteal]

I can't get over Mikey's lips and tattoo, and Leo's expression. Def not great promo art to show for this film, they actually look way better in the movie. They've got terrible marketing people..
Its Concept art they're not ready to show more Yet but its getting close soon.
Aaaaand that was a bit of a let down. Got the magazine in the mail today because I subscribe and as much as I'm glad they got something in there that's more than a blurb, there wasn't anything new. Oh well.

They go into designing the turtles and kind of Cement what the Positive crowd have been saying all along

[Candy Kappa]

It'd be awesome if they released more concept art, and maybe they did test renders with different skin textures.

[Galactus]

They go into designing the turtles and kind of Cement what the Positive crowd have been saying all along

Well they kinda would, wouldn't they?

That of course is not to say it isn't true to how the creators of this movie feel and went about designing the characters but that doesn't make it look better.

There's really no explanations no matter how well though out or articulated that are going to make them appealing if they feel they just don't look good.

Also I don't think throwing shade at previous designs are going to endear anyone to this movie either.

[samxsteal]

Well they kinda would, wouldn't they?

That of course is not to say it isn't true to how the creators of this movie feel and went about designing the characters but that doesn't make it look better.

There's really no explanations no matter how well though out or articulated that are going to make them appealing if they feel they just don't look good.

Also I don't think throwing shade at previous designs are going to endear anyone to this movie either.

but the fact that there getting so much backlash from their decision for being so Un thought out and unnecessary is starting to turn out to be false, because its being to seem like it was very thought out and necessary.

[Galactus]

but the fact that there getting so much backlash from their decision for being so Un thought out and unnecessary is starting to turn out to be false, because its being to seem like it was very thought out and necessary.

Well you have me at a disadvantage as you've read the article but I'm guessing from what you've put it's an explanation of the faces rather than the overall designs, yes?

If so I don't think it's that cut and dry as you make out.

It is unnecessary by virtue of the fact that they didn't need to go the rout they did and several people with knowledge of movie making have suggested other ways and cited examples of the same effect being used without going the direction they did.

I personally feel that they didn't put much thought into it and went with the full motion capture rout since it's the "in" thing but lets for the sake of discussion cut them some slack and assume they really did seriously weigh up all their options and felt this was the best one...it doesn't really get around the main issue of it just not looking "good" to a lot of people.

It's nice that they've put a lot of thought and work behind this but that doesn't mean it's the right direction, does it?

[electric_sheep]

"Jonathan Liebesman is going to make a great film. From what I’ve seen of the script, it’s fantastic. Michael Bay has made some great and intense movies. We’re talking about being inspired by movies like The Avengers for scope and roots origin" Which really explains a lot and is tottaly wrong direction to take TMNT in...

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

ARe turtle not included int hat Yup im sure they didn't look at any turtles nope.
Lions and Tigers are cats...it fits in the same logic of looking at other reptiles

i mean if they are just going to use other reptiles as reference why even make them turtles?

ANd THATS NOT EVEN THE SAME,


no sam it is the same..if i was going to build a lion puppet, i look up pictures of Lions.....i don't just use my cat as a reference be cause they are both feline

if i was going to build a wolf puppet i wouldnt use my dog just because they are both canine..i would look up pics of a wolf


if someone is going to design a turtle they should never have checked the reptile section past turtle..the are almost countless versions of turtle species they could already use as reference

hell i do it when i make my custumes...my cosplay shell is a combination of Sea, Tortoise, and Slider

[Fjaj]

To me at least, the past designs never seemed to look much like turtles at all, at least in their faces. However, they still looked really good and were overall great designs. Although these new designs are much more human looking, they don't appear to be less turtles looking. Although I would definitely prefer more traditional designs (like the artist whose art I am using for my avatar), I do not find these designs ugly, although I definitely can see how some could find them ugly.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

hell i do it when i make my custumes...my cosplay shell is a combination of Sea, Tortoise, and Slider

I'm going to be honest...your Donnie looks a lot better than the new Donnie. :P

[Xav]

It's the least known branch of the property though, in terms of mainstream audiences or general popularity:Oh come on. Are you really going to tell me that the 2003 series is less popular than Next Mutation or Coming Out of Their Shells?

[Puddinpop]

Maybe they only had so much page space? I don't know probably not but it might be a reason why

[Xav]

BTW, I have the magazine and the articles only one page. I could probably scan it if anyone's interested.

[electric_sheep]

So what they are saying is that their version is better than any other version because they are bigerer and betterer than previous versions and i love how they took efort to find the crapiest image of every incarnation to make the new ones look better...

[Sumac]

Prefer the scaled up size of the turtles for ninja action, on superhero steroids.
Considering that those ideas directly contradict each other...you must be fan of milk and cucumbers, don't you? :D

[Galactus]

Why is increased physical abilities ramping up marital arts action contradicting to one another? They can still be crazy physical specimen while simultaneously being skillful marital artists. Your complaint makes no sense.

Strictly speaking when people think of ninjas, they think stealth, agility, ability to conceal ones self and so on. Obviously it's harder to imagine rather large "hulk-like" figures doing this, especially if they are loaded with tons of accessories which would make it difficult.

Obviously with cgi creatures they can be as agile as they want to make them regardless of how big they are. Same with Mike's chains and Leo's bamboo armor and Don's machinery. None of it will make a noise and certainly like Raph's magic shades will never fall off because it's not really there.

That doesn't really stop people from looking at it and thinking "hmm that doesn't seem quite right".

[electric_sheep]

Why is increased physical abilities ramping up marital arts action contradicting to one another? They can still be crazy physical specimen while simultaneously being skillful marital artists. Your complaint makes no sense.

This is what a martial artistists body looks like
http://warriorfitness.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bruce-Lee.png
this is what these turtles look like
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gDxvnRPYqh0/S7SFPtzSj-I/AAAAAAAAABc/0BGPQyhPQKo/s400/arnold.jpg

[slingtheory]

Why is increased physical abilities ramping up marital arts action contradicting to one another? They can still be crazy physical specimen while simultaneously being skillful marital artists. Your complaint makes no sense. to me the appeal of stories with martial artist characters has always been the underdog factor with them having to use skill and will to overcome greater odds whether its being outnumbered or outmatched in some way like size or strength. that's what makes their battles thrilling to watch. but when the good guys look as big and strong as they do here all the tension is gone. Seriously what normal human is going to stand a chance against a highly trained creature of hulking stature who can apparently crush a vehicle under his weight?

[electric_sheep]

Martial arts is a skill, not a body type. Increased size, strength, agility, quickness, speed, leaping ability will only amplify their martial arts action on screen. As we briefly saw with Leos super super somersault leap off the water tower.

You are missing my point Garry, they are suposed to be Ninjas, not body builders, Martial Artist and Body builders have completly diferent body types, one has small but well defined and lean body while other is just blown up like a ballon, it's way easier to move if you have a smaller body. Of course they can move unristricted when you do them in CG but it looks completly unnatura when you look at the way they are designed. Maybe they have full prison style weight lifting gear down in the sewers and pump their muscles every day, who knows...

[graphic_content]

This is what a martial artistists body looks like
http://warriorfitness.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bruce-Lee.png
this is what these turtles look like
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gDxvnRPYqh0/S7SFPtzSj-I/AAAAAAAAABc/0BGPQyhPQKo/s400/arnold.jpg

ELECTRIC - bro, I've been a martial artist all my life, and I've seen body types ranging from Bruce Lee skinny, to Arnold ripped. Can muscles impede you ability to be flexible, and agile? Sure...but only if you focus on building muscles for size and show, not practical, functional muscles. Being ripped doesn't mean you can't move swiftly.

But this doesn't really matter because the turtles are cg characters, that move anyway they animators please, lol, regardless of size. Move puppet, move. :lol:

[Coola Yagami]

ELECTRIC - bro, I've been a martial artist all my life, and I've seen body types ranging from Bruce Lee skinny, to Arnold ripped. Can muscles impede you ability to be flexible, and agile? Sure...but only if you focus on building muscles for size and show, not practical, functional muscles. Being ripped doesn't mean you can't move swiftly.

But this doesn't really matter because the turtles are cg characters, that move anyway they animators please, lol, regardless of size. Move puppet, move. :lol:

The Avengers could have made the Hulk do backflips and sumersaults if they wanted, but they didn't because they knew it would look stupid and fake.

We know the TMNT are gonna be CGI. We know they're basically cartoon characters cut and pasted to interact with Fitchner and Megan.

The thing is, when you watch the movie, you're not supposed to know it's fake. You're supposed to lose yourself into the movie and just go with it. That'll be hard to do if we giant-sized two-ton Turtles somehow able to do backflips and cartwheels. The obvious fakeness of it all will take us out of it and distract us from the movie.

[pdizzle]

BTW, I have the magazine and the articles only one page. I could probably scan it if anyone's interested.

If its possible bro could i get a copy of that from you??

[JonesyKitty]

If its possible bro could i get a copy of that from you??

I would also be interested in reading a scan if possible :twink:

[Candy Kappa]

This is what a martial artistists body looks like
http://warriorfitness.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bruce-Lee.png
this is what these turtles look like
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gDxvnRPYqh0/S7SFPtzSj-I/AAAAAAAAABc/0BGPQyhPQKo/s400/arnold.jpg

Interestingly, my sword art instructor told our class once, that the bigger muscles you had, the harder it would be to do a lot of the techniques in our sword style correct, as it involves a lot of "making yourself a smaller target", keeping arms close to your body, stand I a certain way to not show your entire body etc.

[Puddinpop]

Lions and Tigers are cats...it fits in the same logic of looking at other reptiles

i mean if they are just going to use other reptiles as reference why even make them turtles?




no sam it is the same..if i was going to build a lion puppet, i look up pictures of Lions.....i don't just use my cat as a reference be cause they are both feline

if i was going to build a wolf puppet i wouldnt use my dog just because they are both canine..i would look up pics of a wolf


if someone is going to design a turtle they should never have checked the reptile section past turtle..the are almost countless versions of turtle species they could already use as reference

hell i do it when i make my custumes...my cosplay shell is a combination of Sea, Tortoise, and Slider
Yea but I think people are kind of taking that and running in the wrong direction with it. Yea they looked at a bunch of skin and textures of different reptiles for "inspiration" but it doesn't mean that they went with anything other than the skin/texture of a turtle. Bc it seems obvious to me at least that they went with a " turtle texture" like skin. People were even saying that Donnie had acne when it was clearly turtle-like skin., scales. I just think that this is another interview that is being taken out of context. But on the other hand, people haven't seen it in it's entirety yet so it's understandable.
Considering that those ideas directly contradict each other...you must be fan of milk and cucumbers, don't you? :D
No.. they don't actually. I no it's become common place around here to assume that just bc you're a large person or creature means that you can't be a ninja. Yea being tiny or small in some cases would be beneficial. But it's not essential.. it's not required. Ninjas were trained assassins. Size has nothing to do with it really, Skill and awareness of your surroundings.. that is what's important. I'm not pointing the finger at you personally but I understand that some will do back flips and jump threw hoops to invalidate this film in every way. Some of it being totally unjustified blatant stupidity. Another thing I keep hearing people say is " Umm.. the Foot are a clan of ninja thieves, and? " I hate you Bay for turning them into a black ops team with guns." Smh... It's painful to read some of the crap being said lol. For one this movie doesn't take place in feudal Japan. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it does not. and from what I've read.. The Foot had ray guns back in the 80's.. not one peep about that though. But sense it's Bay lets throw it out lol. This is the 21st century and imho I think they look the way Foot SOLDIERS should. A ninja IS a mercenary.

A little passage from wiki:

The ninja were stealth soldiers and mercenaries hired mostly by daimyos.[45] Their primary roles were those of espionage and sabotage, although assassinations were also attributed to ninja. In battle, the ninja could also be used to cause confusion amongst the enemy.[46] A degree of psychological warfare in the capturing of enemy banners can be seen illustrated in the Ōu Eikei Gunki, composed between the 16th and 17th centuries:

I know I'm wondering off topic again and I apologize. But back to what I was saying before. Size has nothing to do with being a ninja. It is all in how you carry/handle yourself and how aware you are of your surroundings. If you've mastered your environment and are skilled enough to use it to your advantage to achieve stealth and misconception then size will not be an issue imo. I remember seeing in the beginning of the TMNT trailer the turtles taking out the foot from within the shadows. I think we're definitely getting the " ninja " in Ninja Turtle.

[Candy Kappa]

The issue with the Foot, for me at least is that TMNT have a very unusual style portraying the Foot Clan's "ninja uniform" that we (at least I) haven't seen in any previous depictions before in fiction. It's "always" been the mono (usually black) dogi with the atypical mask.

The bug-eyed Foot is so unique, I think it'd would have been a great add-on to a movie franchise of having very recognizable enemies, like the Stormtroopers in Star Wars. The PD Foot Soldiers, look very generic military, save the grimy kabuki mask. Even the Foot Soldier action figure looks like a generic soldier GI Joe toy.

[Glados]

Yea but I think people are kind of taking that and running in the wrong direction with it. Yea they looked at a bunch of skin and textures of different reptiles for "inspiration" but it doesn't mean that they went with anything other than the skin/texture of a turtle. Bc it seems obvious to me at least that they went with a " turtle texture" like skin.

I don't get why people are arguing about this at this point at all. We've seen the skin textures and they actually look great and are among the things that most people seem totally happy with. So what if they "looked" at other stuff when they were working on it, it's the end result that counts and in this specific case it turned out good.

The issue with the Foot, for me at least is that TMNT have a very unusual style portraying the Foot Clan's "ninja uniform" that we (at least I) haven't seen in any previous depictions before in fiction. It's "always" been the mono (usually black) dogi with the atypical mask.

The bug-eyed Foot is so unique, I think it'd would have been a great add-on to a movie franchise of having very recognizable enemies, like the Stormtroopers in Star Wars. The PD Foot Soldiers, look very generic military, save the grimy kabuki mask. Even the Foot Soldier action figure looks like a generic soldier GI Joe toy.

I agree about this. I was a bit disappointed and still am that we won't get foot soldiers with much recognizable traits (appearance wise) from any of the previous incarnations. They wear black... and cover their faces, that's about all the similarities there is and it could be applied to x number of villains in various franchises! Had a fan been shown these foot soldiers a year ago without any context they wouldn't have a clue what they were looking at.

To me at least, the past designs never seemed to look much like turtles at all, at least in their faces. However, they still looked really good and were overall great designs. Although these new designs are much more human looking, they don't appear to be less turtles looking. Although I would definitely prefer more traditional designs (like the artist whose art I am using for my avatar), I do not find these designs ugly, although I definitely can see how some could find them ugly.

Very true. More human looking then the 90's turtles: Yes. Less turtle-looking then the 90's turtle: No. The Henson suits looked more like frogs or gecko's or something in the faces, but it's what people were used to from the Fred Wolf cartoon and comics too, so it still completely reasonable to be needing a bit of time to get used to new version (and some probably never will)

[slingtheory]

No.. they don't actually. I no it's become common place around here to assume that just bc you're a large person or creature means that you can't be a ninja. Yea being tiny or small in some cases would be beneficial. But it's not essential.. it's not required. Ninjas were trained assassins. Size has nothing to do with it really, Skill and awareness of your surroundings.. that is what's important. I'm not pointing the finger at you personally but I understand that some will do back flips and jump threw hoops to invalidate this film in every way. Some of it being totally unjustified blatant stupidity. Another thing I keep hearing people say is " Umm.. the Foot are a clan of ninja thieves, and? " I hate you Bay for turning them into a black ops team with guns." Smh... It's painful to read some of the crap being said lol. For one this movie doesn't take place in feudal Japan. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it does not. and from what I've read.. The Foot had ray guns back in the 80's.. not one peep about that though. But sense it's Bay lets throw it out lol. This is the 21st century and imho I think they look the way Foot SOLDIERS should. A ninja IS a mercenary.

A little passage from wiki:



I know I'm wondering off topic again and I apologize. But back to what I was saying before. Size has nothing to do with being a ninja. It is all in how you carry/handle yourself and how aware you are of your surroundings. If you've mastered your environment and are skilled enough to use it to your advantage to achieve stealth and misconception then size will not be an issue imo. I remember seeing in the beginning of the TMNT trailer the turtles taking out the foot from within the shadows. I think we're definitely getting the " ninja " in Ninja Turtle. I agree with you that there isn't really a size reqiurement to be a ninja but the thing is that being bigger and larger than an average man would without question make it more difficult and for that reason it seems like an odd route to go in. The fact is that the turtles as they are usually depicted would have an easier time being stealthy and staying out of sight than these scaled up versions would. And I don't think you can really campare this version of the foot to the ones in the original cartoon because of course there would be no complaints against that depiction seeing as the audience were kids who were just being introduced to the concept and had nothing to compare it to. If id have been old enough to know about the source material I don't think id have been fond of the robots with ray guns idea either. Plus I barely remember the foot bots being used all the much in the series anyway. I think they were mostly regulated to the games after the first season.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

The Avengers could have made the Hulk do backflips and sumersaults if they wanted, but they didn't because they knew it would look stupid and fake.

Or maybe they didn't have Hulk do backflips and summersaults because he's never been know for that. He's 'Hulk smash' not 'Hulk flip', so the reason they didn't have him doing those things in the movie isn't because they thought it would look fake, but because Hulk isn't a trained gymnast or martial artist.

The issue with the Foot, for me at least is that TMNT have a very unusual style portraying the Foot Clan's "ninja uniform" that we (at least I) haven't seen in any previous depictions before in fiction. It's "always" been the mono (usually black) dogi with the atypical mask.

The bug-eyed Foot is so unique, I think it'd would have been a great add-on to a movie franchise of having very recognizable enemies, like the Stormtroopers in Star Wars. The PD Foot Soldiers, look very generic military, save the grimy kabuki mask. Even the Foot Soldier action figure looks like a generic soldier GI Joe toy.

I agree about this. I was a bit disappointed and still am that we won't get foot soldiers with much recognizable traits (appearance wise) from any of the previous incarnations. They wear black... and cover their faces, that's about all the similarities there is and it could be applied to x number of villains in various franchises! Had a fan been shown these foot soldiers a year ago without any context they wouldn't have a clue what they were looking at.

Yeah ... :ohwell:

[samxsteal]

Or mzaybe they didn't have Hulk do backflips and summersaults because he's never been know for that. He's 'Hulk smash' not 'Hulk flip', so the reason they didn't have him doing those things in the movie isn't because they thought it would look fake, but because Hulk isn't a trained gymnast or martial artist.





Yeah ... :ohwell:

Come on ^_^
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10366206_492301867566178_2526188735429606320_n.jpg
Just that alone looks awesome to me at least

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Or maybe they didn't have Hulk do backflips and summersaults because he's never been know for that. He's 'Hulk smash' not 'Hulk flip', so the reason they didn't have him doing those things in the movie isn't because they thought it would look fake, but because Hulk isn't a trained gymnast or martial artist.

And yet in this film they have Raph...well...'Raph Smash' & destroy an Armored Humvee. I don't think Raphael has ever been known for doing that stuff.

Breaking down a door or even a weakened wall? That'd be one thing. This? Just silly and a completely different matter.

[Coola Yagami]

And yet in this film that have Raph...well...'Raph Smash' & destroy an Armored Humvee. I don't think Raphael has ever been known for doing that stuff.

Breaking down a door or even a weakened wall? That's be one thing. This? Just silly and a completely different matter.

This. So much this.

[samxsteal]

And yet in this film that have Raph...well...'Raph Smash' & destroy an Armored Humvee. I don't think Raphael has ever been known for doing that stuff.

Breaking down a door or even a weakened wall? That's be one thing. This? Just silly and a completely different matter.

Its not like he runs up to it and smashes it with his bare hands dude. He is throught while traveling down the mountain and a very high speed, he Does a flip(very acrobatic) and connects with his shell, If a normal turtle shell can with stand over 2,900 pounds of pressure, then th increase size increase its strength relative to its size. they are Invulnerable but there shells are very strong.

And go back and re-watch 2k3 raph does alot of physical thing heck Mikey takes on a 8' tall alien gladiator

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

And go back and re-watch 2k3 raph does alot of physical thing heck Mikey takes on a 8' tall alien gladiator

Yes, Raphael in the 2k3 show did physical things. But nothing even remotely in the same vein of this Raphael Killing a Humvee like a Transformer or an Incredible Hulk would do.

And Yes...Mikey took on and beat a Tall, alien gladiator by using his Martial Arts Skills because he is a Trained Ninja.

So how does that help with your argument?

[samxsteal]

Yes, Raphael in the 2k3 show did physical things. But nothing even remotely in the same vein of this Raphael Killing a Humvee like a Transformer or an Incredible Hulk would do.

And Yes...Mikey took on and beat a Tall, alien gladiator by using his Martial Arts Skills because he is a Trained Ninja.

So how does that help with your argument?

My point was is he doesn't Do anything even hulk related AS he slide down the mountain at a high speed is thrown ever faster then flips( like a ninja would) making contact with his shell a shell that can with stand exponentially more then 2,900 pounds of pressure which an average turtle can. This is not a fully armored hummer nor is it ripped in half

[electric_sheep]

My point was is he doesn't Do anything even hulk related AS he slide down the mountain at a high speed is thrown ever faster then flips( like a ninja would) making contact with his shell a shell that can with stand exponentially more then 2,900 pounds of pressure which an average turtle can. This is not a fully armored hummer nor is it ripped in half

Dude, you are just pulling stuff out of your ass now, even you can't defend that scene....

[MrTMNT2012]

Dude, you are just pulling stuff out of your ass now, even you can't defend that scene....

That scene doesn't need defending, it's just awesome and nothing out of the ordinary for TMNT. Your just mad because we haven't seen any real ninjutsu moves portrayed so far!

I still remember when Raphael threw Traximus in the Battle Nexus while being simultaneously grappled by him. Now that was BS.

[electric_sheep]

That scene doesn't need defending, it's just awesome and nothing out of the ordinary for TMNT. Your just mad because we haven't seen any real ninjutsu moves portrayed so far!

I still remember when Raphael threw Traximus in the Battle Nexus while being simultaneously grappled by him. Now that was BS.

Name me one other time where any turtle completly crushed a Humwee with their back?

[Xav]

Another thing I keep hearing people say is " Umm.. the Foot are a clan of ninja thieves, and? " I hate you Bay for turning them into a black ops team with guns." Smh... It's painful to read some of the crap being said lol. For one this movie doesn't take place in feudal Japan. I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it does not. and from what I've read.. The Foot had ray guns back in the 80's.. not one peep about that though. But sense it's Bay lets throw it out lol. This is the 21st century and imho I think they look the way Foot SOLDIERS should. A ninja IS a mercenary. Most of the turtles stories take place in modern day New York, and I never heard anyone complain about the Foot using ninja weapons. Even the Fred Wolf Foot had ninja weapons in the old toon in addition too their ray guns. Hell it makes no sense why the turtles would use ancient martial arts weapons against soldiers with modern arms. We might as well give them guns too because Raph used them in bodycount.

[pennydreadful]

The issue with the Foot, for me at least is that TMNT have a very unusual style portraying the Foot Clan's "ninja uniform" that we (at least I) haven't seen in any previous depictions before in fiction. It's "always" been the mono (usually black) dogi with the atypical mask.

The bug-eyed Foot is so unique, I think it'd would have been a great add-on to a movie franchise of having very recognizable enemies, like the Stormtroopers in Star Wars. The PD Foot Soldiers, look very generic military, save the grimy kabuki mask. Even the Foot Soldier action figure looks like a generic soldier GI Joe toy.

I'm doing my best to keep an open mind on many aspects of this film, but the military foot is something that I have absolutely zero patience for. I freely admit, I understand why some people like the concept/why they feel it makes sense. I understand that Bay has his audience, and I'm definitely not here to rag on anyone for liking Bay.

Myself, I am not a Bay fan - not because I think it's somehow cool to hate on him; I'm just not his target audience. His movies aren't the kind of thing that I usually watch. That doesn't make me any more right or wrong than anybody here.

That being said, I find it frustrating when any filmmaker starts repeating themselves to the point of caricature. There's a difference between having a distinctive style, and just sticking things into your movies because you like them, regardless of whether it's appropriate for the project. There's a reason why I haven't enjoyed a Tim Burton film in a long time - because as much as audiences do like familiar things, it's a fine line. Edward Scissorhands was a masterpiece, but eventually I am going to get tired of every project having Danny Elfman, Helena Bonham Carter, Johnny Depp and curliques, with absolutely no variation.

Yes, it's Bay's movie, it's Bay's money and he can put whatever he wants into it. The fact remains that I would have zero interest in this project if it weren't Turtles-related, and I'm not looking forward to sitting through the military stuff to get to the Turtles parts. It's not that I don't enjoy the military being in films - Aliens is one of my all time favourite movies - Bay's jarheads just don't work for me personally as characters or plot devices.

And I know he's "just a producer" - let's just agree to disagree on this one; my partner's an indie filmmaker so while that doesn't make me a genius on the subject of filmmaking, I'm well aware of exactly how much influence directors and producers have over their projects.

TL;DR - I don't like the way Bay has to put the military into every single movie he does.

Probably this'll kick off another round of kvetching, but it's just my two cents. *shrugs*

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I still remember when Raphael threw Traximus in the Battle Nexus while being simultaneously grappled by him. Now that was BS.

Throwing another fighter during a one on one fight is the same as destroying a Hummer?

We agree to disagree then.

[DevilSpooky]

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Just saying...

[slingtheory]

That scene doesn't need defending, it's just awesome and nothing out of the ordinary for TMNT. Your just mad because we haven't seen any real ninjutsu moves portrayed so far!

I still remember when Raphael threw Traximus in the Battle Nexus while being simultaneously grappled by him. Now that was BS. I think its pretty far out of the ordinary really. its actually quite ridiculously over the top. that hummer might as well have been my hope of enjoying this movie
I'm doing my best to keep an open mind on many aspects of this film, but the military foot is something that I have absolutely zero patience for. I freely admit, I understand why some people like the concept/why they feel it makes sense. I understand that Bay has his audience, and I'm definitely not here to rag on anyone for liking Bay.

Myself, I am not a Bay fan - not because I think it's somehow cool to hate on him; I'm just not his target audience. His movies aren't the kind of thing that I usually watch. That doesn't make me any more right or wrong than anybody here.

That being said, I find it frustrating when any filmmaker starts repeating themselves to the point of caricature. There's a difference between having a distinctive style, and just sticking things into your movies because you like them, regardless of whether it's appropriate for the project. There's a reason why I haven't enjoyed a Tim Burton film in a long time - because as much as audiences do like familiar things, it's a fine line. Edward Scissorhands was a masterpiece, but eventually I am going to get tired of every project having Danny Elfman, Helena Bonham Carter, Johnny Depp and curliques, with absolutely no variation.

Yes, it's Bay's movie, it's Bay's money and he can put whatever he wants into it. The fact remains that I would have zero interest in this project if it weren't Turtles-related, and I'm not looking forward to sitting through the military stuff to get to the Turtles parts. It's not that I don't enjoy the military being in films - Aliens is one of my all time favourite movies - Bay's jarheads just don't work for me personally as characters or plot devices.

And I know he's "just a producer" - let's just agree to disagree on this one; my partner's an indie filmmaker so while that doesn't make me a genius on the subject of filmmaking, I'm well aware of exactly how much influence directors and producers have over their projects.

TL;DR - I don't like the way Bay has to put the military into every single movie he does.

Probably this'll kick off another round of kvetching, but it's just my two cents. *shrugs* I know what you mean. when I read the blue door the military foot was one of the main things that kept from believing it was real at first because it seemed like such a parody of what bay would do to a tmnt film. imagine my surprise to find out he actually went and did it. I felt like heston at the end of planet of the apes

[Xav]

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Just saying...Oh come on. That was a temporary state he was in in volume 4, which he was eventually cured of, literally 3 pages later.

[Sighphi]

Its not like he runs up to it and smashes it with his bare hands dude. He is throught while traveling down the mountain and a very high speed, he Does a flip(very acrobatic) and connects with his shell, If a normal turtle shell can with stand over 2,900 pounds of pressure, then th increase size increase its strength relative to its size. they are Invulnerable but there shells are very strong.

And go back and re-watch 2k3 raph does alot of physical thing heck Mikey takes on a 8' tall alien gladiator

Can you explain why bricks break when Leo lands from that jump?

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

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Just saying...


So...let me get this straight.

You show a time where Raph turned into pretty much a Dinosaur to prove your point?? Am I missing something here? I'm not trying to be rude but...seriously?

Or are you insinuating that this is the plot of the movie and that's why the Turtles look this way, lol.

[samxsteal]

Can you explain why bricks break when Leo lands from that jump?

with the shell that large it would add mass to turtles from the height that he fell, the added muscle mass all add up to something very heavy and bricks are that hard to break for martial artist

[Galactus]

^^^

Which kind of goes against the who stealth thing if they can't perform an action like that without damaging their surroundings.

Of course as I've pointed out this will conveniently not happen when the script doesn't call for them to. Just like Mike's chains wont jangle or Raph's shades wont fall off his head; that's just the magic of these things not being real.

However it still seems wrong.

[samxsteal]

^^^

Which kind of goes against the who stealth thing if they can't perform an action like that without damaging their surroundings.

Of course as I've pointed out this will conveniently not happen when the script doesn't call for them to. Just like Mike's chains wont jangle or Raph's shades wont fall off his head; that's just the magic of these things not being real.

However it still seems wrong.
so the turtles have never land damaging anything ever?

[Galactus]

so the turtles have never land damaging anything ever?

I can't recall an instance of it. In fact I'm willing to go out on a limb and say it's never happened in the franchise before this.

[xChri5x]

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[DevilSpooky]

Oh come on. That was a temporary state he was in in volume 4, which he was eventually cured of, literally 3 pages later.

So...let me get this straight.

You show a time where Raph turned into pretty much a Dinosaur to prove your point?? Am I missing something here? I'm not trying to be rude but...seriously?

Or are you insinuating that this is the plot of the movie and that's why the Turtles look this way, lol.

Just stating that writers do certain things to entertain us, why is it ok to change one turtles into a dino reject and make him destroy walls and rip robots apart with his bare hands but make them break bricks and smash humvees is not?

People hating on this movie are quick to complain about everything in it, but at the same time are willing to accept everything that comes out of Peter's mind, no matter how stupid and unrealistic it is.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Come on ^_^
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Just that alone looks awesome to me at least

Agreed. Now all we need is to see this officially. :)

And yet in this film they have Raph...well...'Raph Smash' & destroy an Armored Humvee. I don't think Raphael has ever been known for doing that stuff.

Breaking down a door or even a weakened wall? That'd be one thing. This? Just silly and a completely different matter.

'Raph smash'? I hate that comparison ... he backhands a Foot soldier, and, um, uh ... he's big. Also, 'destroying' (really, he put a huge dent in it) a armored humvee isn't really THAT out there, with the context of everything else in that scene going on. TMNT has some pretty weird things going on in all franchises, and being thrown into a humvee and making a dent isn't the biggest 'out there' thing.

However, I see where this is all coming from. Size. They are huge. I don't think everyone's real problem is 'Raph smash'. It's that, when we see this big turtle size, we think of Hulk. We see him hit ONE DUDE with the back of his hand, and we see that comparison of Hulk. And because we haven't seen any martial arts yet, we blame the film of being 'Raph smash'. Isn't that a reach? It is at least for now, since we've hardly seen anything. And I don't think everyone's true problem is the Humvee being smashed, it's more the fact that, again, they are huge.

Which I get. But let's complain about what we truly want to complain about. And let's not draw a lot of conclusions either. We haven't seen 'Raph smash', at least I believe. We can't say there will be no martial arts in the film, since all we see in the trailers are a few flips and a cut of Donnie fighting the Foot (from behind). Also, we can't confirm there WILL be martial arts in the film, even if we do see them doing some flips in the trailer, Donnie fighting the Foot, and we've seen a few glimpses of some behind the scene stuff that has led us to believe what we believe.

Its not like he runs up to it and smashes it with his bare hands dude. He is throught while traveling down the mountain and a very high speed, he Does a flip(very acrobatic) and connects with his shell, If a normal turtle shell can with stand over 2,900 pounds of pressure, then th increase size increase its strength relative to its size. they are Invulnerable but there shells are very strong.

Very reasonable approach to the scene.

Name me one other time where any turtle completly crushed a Humwee with their back?

That is a flawed argument. When have we seen this exact same event in the turtles franchise happen before? It hasn't? Say whaaaa? Then I'm going to complain about it.

We don't want a cut and paste movie here, guys. No one does. Even the negative people. If we saw the EXACT same fight sequences, heard the EXACT same lines, saw the EXACT same events as past TMNT cartoons, movies, comics, etc, then it would be the most boring thing ever.

They were trying to make this movie different, and the way they tried to do that was to make things very, very different. As in, change a lot (for better or for worse). They don't want to be a copy of versions in the past, and I'm glad they didn't. (However, they could've easily made a great film with more traditional TMNT elements.)

The reason we haven't seen Raph slam into a Humvee before and put a dent into it is because, in past versions, they haven't been this big. Also, there isn't a lot of snow on huge vast hills in New York. And, usually, there aren't armored cars chasing the turtles sliding down their backs during the certain snow scene because THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

If we are just sticking to what has happened before, if we just want to be copies of the past, nothing would ever go anywhere. If we aren't up for change, any change, and are always asking ourselves when something has previously happened, we'll never be content with what we get. Ever.

Most of the turtles stories take place in modern day New York, and I never heard anyone complain about the Foot using ninja weapons. Even the Fred Wolf Foot had ninja weapons in the old toon in addition too their ray guns. Hell it makes no sense why the turtles would use ancient martial arts weapons against soldiers with modern arms. We might as well give them guns too because Raph used them in bodycount.

Just a thought, but ... would you guys have preferred military Foot soldiers, or robot Foot soldiers that would have a familiar Bay touch on them? I'm seriously asking. Personally ... I don't know.

So...let me get this straight.

You show a time where Raph turned into pretty much a Dinosaur to prove your point?? Am I missing something here? I'm not trying to be rude but...seriously?

You said earlier, speaking of humvees and 'smashes', that "I don't think Raphael has ever been known for doing that stuff." You know what else he wasn't known for? Turning into a dinosaur. You see, things change. Creative teams go out of their way to make things new and exciting for everyone.

And, Peter Laird, the co-creator behind the TMNT movie, approved of this. And guess what? I think it's a cool, interesting story that I'll be happy to read someday! Because I'm not allergic to change, and I'll be open to seeing something new, even if it isn't what I prefer the most.

We can't just be critical of this new movie for change in things like size, just because it was 'changed'. Yes, we can dislike it, but I'm not sure we can put changes like size change down as negative while being positive about similar things in other versions of the turtles.

Just stating that writers do certain things to entertain us, why is it ok to change one turtles into a dino reject and make him destroy walls and rip robots apart with his bare hands but make them break bricks and smash humvees is not?

People hating on this movie are quick to complain about everything in it, but at the same time are willing to accept everything that comes out of Peter's mind, no matter how stupid and unrealistic it is.

Well said, even though I may not agree with the 'stupid and unrealistic' aspect.

I just want to say I have nothing against anyone that I'm replying to, even if I may be passionate. It's late. Sorry if I may have offended anyone, or came off as angry, and I'm really not trying to start any arguments, even though I felt like I had to say something and touch on this subject.

[Candy Kappa]

I can't recall an instance of it. In fact I'm willing to go out on a limb and say it's never happened in the franchise before this.

Well, Leo did crack the concrete in Blind Sight when he fell down a several stories building and became concrete pizza. Besides getting skewered by his own sword, he also broke several bones by the impact. (And died ofc)

But, that was a what if scenario.


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Just saying...

And, when Raph hulked out after being bitten by Vampires, he was first just a rage monster. And when he got his mind set right, he was still a lumbering giant, had to make adjustments for his big bulky size.

[pennydreadful]

Just a thought, but ... would you guys have preferred military Foot soldiers, or robot Foot soldiers that would have a familiar Bay touch on them? I'm seriously asking. Personally ... I don't know.

I actually feel that robot Foot would've suited Bay's style better - I would have been quite happy if they'd gone that route! :)

[Puddinpop]

Can you explain why bricks break when Leo lands from that jump?
I might be wrong here but.. " F = m g h / s "
Maybe the bricks were old? Did you not see how high that tower was? If we're gonna nit pick like this we can go ALLL DAYYY LONGG on other superhero films including the untouchable Marvel franchises lol.
^^^

Which kind of goes against the who stealth thing if they can't perform an action like that without damaging their surroundings.

Of course as I've pointed out this will conveniently not happen when the script doesn't call for them to. Just like Mike's chains wont jangle or Raph's shades wont fall off his head; that's just the magic of these things not being real.

However it still seems wrong.
You haven't read the script...? am I missing something here? How do you know they will be wearing this stuff the entire film. In the trailer it seemed like they were being pretty stealthy to me when they were taking out the foot from the shadows. Just bc he damaged a couple bricks while NOT trying to be stealthy doesn't mean he is unable to be when necessary. Everyday its a different straw around here lol
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THIS lol is such an accurate representation of what some of us do here on a daily basis lol. I should make it my signature lol.
Just stating that writers do certain things to entertain us, why is it ok to change one turtles into a dino reject and make him destroy walls and rip robots apart with his bare hands but make them break bricks and smash humvees is not?

People hating on this movie are quick to complain about everything in it, but at the same time are willing to accept everything that comes out of Peter's mind, no matter how stupid and unrealistic it is.

You're absolutely correct dude.. No offense to anyone personally but, it's honestly mind boggling. Also.. if you point this out you get the " What, it's my opinion, Am I supposed to love EVERYTHING this franchise has to offer? So I'm not a fan if I don't like this movie? Why do you guys get so mad just bc we state our opinions on this crap? " BUT... lol if someone points out just ONE fault with the original live film? all hell breaks loose lol. Let one of us go into a thread about the original film and start ripping it apart the way this film has been ripped apart and see how " tolerant " people are. Not saying that I find any fault in the first film. As of right now it's my favorite piece of TMNT. But some of the stuff people gripe about with this film and ONLY this film seems unjustified.. and yet all these other films get free passes? It's just... whatever.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

I might be wrong here but.. " F = m g h / s "
Maybe the bricks were old? Did you not see how high that tower was? If we're gonna nit pick like this we can go ALLL DAYYY LONGG on other superhero films including the untouchable Marvel franchises lol.

You haven't read the script...? am I missing something here? How do you know they will be wearing this stuff the entire film. In the trailer it seemed like they were being pretty stealthy to me when they were taking out the foot from the shadows. Just bc he damaged a couple bricks while NOT trying to be stealthy doesn't mean he is unable to be when necessary. Everyday its a different straw around here lol


One of two things with this thought process.

1. He's right and Leo breaks bricks by landing in one scene and then they can flip and move silently with no impact upon landing in others so they can be ninja. Just internal inconsistency (something I've ripped Man of Steel apart for) if one scene their weight has this much affect on their surroundings and in others they don't.

2. He's wrong and all scenes will have such effect, in which case, how are they silent and stealthy ninja?


You noted the equation. If they are stealthy in some and not in others, because Leo didn't want to be stealthy in that scene, then we're also suggesting they can alter physics to suit their desire for stealth. ;)

I dunno. I just don't expect the look of them to lend itself to traditional silence and stealth you think of with ninjas. But then, it's a Hollywood brain-dead action flick. I don't expect a lot of internal consistency and remotely any logic.

Michael Bay specifically? Bad Boys II taught me to not expect rational plot.
Hollywood as a whole? They made A Good Day to Die Hard.

Damn youse, Hollywood....


Oh, and if you think nobody criticizes the original films, you're crazy. Secret of the Ooze and III get a lot of flak, even if the original largely gets defense. Rotten Tomatoes shows the decline of general public opinion on them as well. ;)

Then again, the Transformers films are all fairly rotten on there, but the International box office LOOOOVES them. Though TMNT doesn't have giant robots, so we'll see if mutants are loved internationally as much as hot cars and robots.

[Pondslider]

2. He's wrong and all scenes will have such effect, in which case, how are they silent and stealthy ninja?



It would be awesome if this was the case. Everywhere they go they leave foot prints in concrete. They rip doors off the hinges just by opening them and then destroy the frame by walking through. April invites them to her apartment and they smash all her furniture.

[slingtheory]

Just stating that writers do certain things to entertain us, why is it ok to change one turtles into a dino reject and make him destroy walls and rip robots apart with his bare hands but make them break bricks and smash humvees is not?

People hating on this movie are quick to complain about everything in it, but at the same time are willing to accept everything that comes out of Peter's mind, no matter how stupid and unrealistic it is. I think there's quite a bit of difference between having a temporary storyline where a character hulks out and is capable of great feats of strength only until its resolved and straight up reimagining a character as being stronger than they should be be from the outset.

[snooz]

One of two things with this thought process.

1. He's right and Leo breaks bricks by landing in one scene and then they can flip and move silently with no impact upon landing in others so they can be ninja. Just internal inconsistency (something I've ripped Man of Steel apart for) if one scene their weight has this much affect on their surroundings and in others they don't.

2. He's wrong and all scenes will have such effect, in which case, how are they silent and stealthy ninja?


You noted the equation. If they are stealthy in some and not in others, because Leo didn't want to be stealthy in that scene, then we're also suggesting they can alter physics to suit their desire for stealth. ;)

For your own information, you need to stand up and try this: First, jump up as high as you can, and land softly. Next, jump again as high as you can, and land with a thud. You will be amazed at your own ability to alter physics! And you aren't even a mutant ninja turtle, you're just a regular human (do you even know ninja? Or yoga? Can you even jog on a treadmill for 30 seconds without needing medical attention?!)


The fact that this is the kind of **** that people are upset about with this movie is incredible. Who cares, it is a ****ing movie about mutant turtles. Just let it entertain you. If you can't get past this kind of thing in a movie, then I don't understand how you can be a fan of this genre in the first place. This is just far too nit-picky.

[Candy Kappa]

As a comment on the brick breaking jump from Leo. I think it would have been less of an issue, had the Turtles had a more traditional size to them, and considering the things we've seen in the trailers: Leo cracking some brick from landing, Raph impacting a Humvee and punts a Foot off-screen.

it piles up, from several small red dots to a big blinking warning light :P

[slingtheory]

that's the problem I have with it anyway. when taken altogether it implies the turtles have some super solider attributes and that's something I don't want to see from them

[SwiftNinjaFox]

For your own information, you need to stand up and try this: First, jump up as high as you can, and land softly. Next, jump again as high as you can, and land with a thud. You will be amazed at your own ability to alter physics! And you aren't even a mutant ninja turtle, you're just a regular human (do you even know ninja? Or yoga? Can you even jog on a treadmill for 30 seconds without needing medical attention?!)

Sound of impact and altering the force of impact to landing light as a feather versus landing with enough force to crumble brick aren't exactly identical.

Nice insults, though, Internet tough guy.

The fact that this is the kind of **** that people are upset about with this movie is incredible. Who cares, it is a ****ing movie about mutant turtles. Just let it entertain you. If you can't get past this kind of thing in a movie, then I don't understand how you can be a fan of this genre in the first place. This is just far too nit-picky.

This is the mentality that dictates Batman Forever was as good as The Dark Knight. Batman Forever was a ****ing movie about a guy dressed as a bat. Just let it entertain you. If you didn't find it awesome, I don't know how you can be a fan of comic book movie genre in the first place.

For the moment, I'm talking hypothetical, but my point is I expect internal consistency within the film.

If Raph's shell can damage a humvee like it does, I wouldn't expect them being struck in the shell by a baseball bat to even phase them, nor any other blunt weapon swung by a human. If they go with Blue Door influence and their shells are bullet resistant, I question how much damage other weapons could do to the shell as well.

If Leo's weight is enough that it damages brick upon landing, I expect the same principle applied throughout a film.

If Raph can backhand a human off like they were nothing, I don't expect him to struggle against a human in combat.

And these may all remain consistent throughout the film, we don't know. It's just hypothetical examples.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

If Raph's shell can damage a humvee like it does, I wouldn't expect them being struck in the shell by a baseball bat to even phase them, nor any other blunt weapon swung by a human. If they go with Blue Door influence and their shells are bullet resistant, I question how much damage other weapons could do to the shell as well.

If Raph can backhand a human off like they were nothing, I don't expect him to struggle against a human in combat.

And these may all remain consistent throughout the film, we don't know. It's just hypothetical examples.

I very much agree with all of that.

Plus weren't there folks being thrown back & around like they were Rag Dolls (subway or docks stuff) in the promotional material? If so, wouldn't that also further enhance that 'super strength' factor? And if people bring up 'well, the older films had folks being thrown like that'...these are the same people that do say that the original films were more cartoony than realistic.

But the same people keep bringing up that this film is supposed to be 'a more realistic approach'. The same people who say 'well, the reason they look like they do is because it'd be More Realistic for them to look that way'.

So if you are going to bring up that realistic card, then the only Realistic Way people will be thrown around like they were Rag Dolls is if the Turtles have Much More Enhanced Strength. To me, that would be boring.

And if that's the case, then it begs the question...why wouldn't combat be nothing but an Easy Breeze for these Turtles in this movie? Which again, to me that would make it Boring, not Exciting.

[Candy Kappa]

The Foot is powerless without their guns and stun rods :lol:

[electric_sheep]

The Foot is powerless without their guns and stun rods :lol:

And those awesome martial arts which they are gonna use against the turtles :lol:

[Glados]

I suddenly came to think... In the toy pictures we see that Raph has a huge crack running down the back of his shell, and in the trailer it appears that he has pieces of scrap metal in a cross attached to his shell... I'm wondering if this can actually imply that Raph indeed bit over more then he could chew in that snow-escape scene and perhaps Don had to do some improvised first-aid to at least try preventing it from getting worse until they can get to safety?

Just me randomly putting things together based on very little here, but I'm interested in knowing how and if (big if here) any of this connects in the actual film.

[Candy Kappa]

Turtle shells can handle a lot of pressure, but they can still crack or get pierced. It's not unlikely Raph gets majorly injured with the humvee impact.

Cause remember. One of the more effective methods of braking a turtle's shell is gravity. Just ask turtle meat hungry birds of prey.

[Jester]

I think a lot of the concern for size is the Turtles got amped up to "superhero" status...but the Foot are still just normal humans. It's hard to have them be a threat if they're just some guy going up against the newly huge Turtles.

[Candy Kappa]

Sadly, short guys can rarely be the heroes in movies.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I think a lot of the concern for size is the Turtles got amped up to "superhero" status...but the Foot are still just normal humans. It's hard to have them be a threat if they're just some guy going up against the newly huge Turtles.

Thank you. That sums up my own feelings on it perfectly.

And when I watch a Turtles film, I'm not looking for 'superhero' stuff. I never thought of them nor ever wanted them to be amped up to 'superhero' status. To me, that would make it more boring. Not exciting.

I'm sorry, that is not what I look for in a Ninja Turtles film. Just because it's different doesn't mean (to me) that it's Good. The Turtles don't Need that. I just don't see what would be Exciting for them to be like that...

Maybe because I prefer films like Enter the Dragon as opposed to The Avengers (which I don't mind, but I like Enter the Dragon much more).

[Candy Kappa]

Regular turtles? Sure. These are like 6'5 hulking genetically modified, mutated super soldier turtles. Stop with attempting to realistically explain the lack of PLAUSIBILITY in what happens in that scene by comparing it to real world turtles. And who knows, he might get injured there. Sacrificing his body to take out a humvee. It looks cool AF..

Still not unlikely that he gets injuried.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Stop with attempting to realistically explain the lack of PLAUSIBILITY in what happens in that scene by comparing it to real world turtles.

And yet if someone complains about the looks of the Turtles and talk about why they don't care for them, others will ridicule them and use the main argument of "Because it's More Realistic, so stop crying. This is how they'd look in real life."

So in other words, some people can't use 'the real life argument' for certain things but the 'real life argument' can be used for other stuff (like the Designs/Looks of the Turtles)?

[Sumac]

Another idea came to my mind after reading some of the stuff here. More like another reason why I don't like Bay's Teenage Mutant Brawler Hulks.
When TMNT is regular human-sized, its make easier to see them as human-like characters. You can understand how they feel in a battle against multiple Foot Soldiers for example, who usually attack in numbers. Or how the act, when they some big (size-wise) menace. One of the aspects of TMNT, which I always like, was Turtles difference from regular superheroes. Aside from appearance they're pretty much like people, which makes them all the more relatable and interesting, personality-wise.

With Turtles being giant monstrocities, it's harder to empathize with them. It's hard to see how even MANY Foot Soldiers will pose any kind of threat to them, if Shrek'les can dispose of them with one single punch. And, if infamous Hummer scene is any indication they also have superdurability and superstrength. Basically it makes them quite similar to any other superstrong superheroes, which instantly destorys a lot of of appeal of their characters. There are pretty much like any other superhero at that point. They lose their uniqueness, and this is certainly is something, that I don't like.

So in other words, some people can't use 'the real life argument' for certain things but the 'real life argument' can be used for other stuff (like the Designs/Looks of the Turtles)?
Double Standards. Favorite argument of fanatics of any kind.

That's a smart, adaptable, contemporary move by the production.
There is nothing smart in diminishing quality of the franchise and turning it into generic ****. It's lazy and half-assed approach by the people who want a quick buck instead of creating something with genuine quality.

And to the numb nuts electric_sheep who suggested you can't be muscular and be a martial artists.
And traditional uncalled insult. What guys like this want to prove? That if they insult their opposition their opinion somehow becomes more legit? Or it some sort of compensation for their own shortcomings? Or lack of knowledge about normal human communications? Who knows...:roll:

[Puddinpop]

One of two things with this thought process.

1. He's right and Leo breaks bricks by landing in one scene and then they can flip and move silently with no impact upon landing in others so they can be ninja. Just internal inconsistency (something I've ripped Man of Steel apart for) if one scene their weight has this much affect on their surroundings and in others they don't.

I disagree.. yea he cant change his weight but there are other factors at play.. Esp. when we're talking Ninja. Like basic decision making skills lol. It goes right back to what I was trying to say before. If it was his intention to be "stealthy" I don't think he would have jumped off of a 30+ foot tower. Not sure how high it was.. but it was high. I think it's a question of judgment. It is obvious with that scene that Mikey and Leo were not trying to be stealthy. I think we will get some " stealth " in this Ninja Turtles movie. I know ill probably get reamed for saying this but.. its is a movie.. I think some slack should be given anyway.
In other parts of the trailer they were taking out Foot members from the shadows. I assume that's how the beginning of the film will play out. All stealth and build up. I'm all for it. I remember when I used to skate.. it was all about weight distribution and foot placement. After all it is the broken bricks that some are griping about " cant believe that I'm saying this but it is what it is ", when taking all of the other factors into consideration I don't find it to be that mind boggling. I actually find this whole topic amusing. Every once and a while ill stop and think to myself.. wait lol why the hell am I talking about broken bricks lol.

it's a Hollywood brain-dead action flick. I don't expect a lot of internal consistency and remotely any logic.

I agree with the fact that this IS a movie.. but I wish there was some consistency in the griping around here. I wish people wouldn't discriminate against a film and how "logical' or "practical" it should be just bc it has the Platinum Dunes label written on it while other franchises get a free pass in this area. I don't expect it to be as brain dead as some of you expect it to be. Yea I know the second some of you see the word BAY on a film you think all intelligence goes out the window. But again he is one out of six producers. A lot of them were hand picked by Peter Laird. Walker and Mednick get TMNT. So does Kevin Eastman. I also think that you have to be somewhat of a decent writer to write the screen play for a Mission Impossible flick, but that's just me. I enjoyed Ghost Protocol.
Michael Bay specifically? Bad Boys II taught me to not expect rational plot.
Hollywood as a whole? They made A Good Day to Die Hard.

Damn youse, Hollywood....

Thank GOD Marvel doesn't come from Hollywood lol. "Wipes sweat from forehead"
All these other superhero films are no more "logical" than this one should be. People are just picking and choosing..

Oh, and if you think nobody criticizes the original films, you're crazy. Secret of the Ooze and III get a lot of flak, even if the original largely gets defense. Rotten Tomatoes shows the decline of general public opinion on them as well. ;)
I am obviously referring to the forum. I've experienced it first hand many times. " Wow how dare you criticize the original film to defend this crap". People preach about tolerance but when someone else criticizes something they feel is sacrosanct or untouchable tolerance goes right out the window it seems.

Lets just say it.. only this film deserves to have every single little detail dissected, torn apart and dismissed.

then we're also suggesting they can alter physics to suit their desire for stealth. ;)

Lol come on man? Have you ever used a skateboard? It is not altering the laws of physics as I understand them. Mass is not the only factor in play here.

I'm pretty sure judging by the Trailer that we will see some stealth in this film. God lol you guys will go to any length to invalidate this movie. At least you acknowledge it being a Hollywood film. Or just being a movie in General. We can go threw a ton of superhero films and pick out a BILLION things that seem implausible.

Btw my friend.. you sure wink a lot lol

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I think a lot of the concern for size is the Turtles got amped up to "superhero" status...but the Foot are still just normal humans. It's hard to have them be a threat if they're just some guy going up against the newly huge Turtles.

I'm very curious HOW the Foot manage to capture 3 of the turtles during the movie. Do they drug them? Clearly, they were getting their asses handed to them in the trailer.

[electric_sheep]

I'm very curious HOW the Foot manage to capture 3 of the turtles during the movie. Do they drug them? Clearly, they were getting their asses handed to them in the trailer.

My guess is Sach holds a blade to Splinter's neck and forces them to put down their weapons...

[Puddinpop]

Another idea came to my mind after reading some of the stuff here. More like another reason why I don't like Bay's Teenage Mutant Brawler Hulks.
When TMNT is regular human-sized, its make easier to see them as human-like characters. You can understand how they feel in a battle against multiple Foot Soldiers for example, who usually attack in numbers. Or how the act, when they some big (size-wise) menace. One of the aspects of TMNT, which I always like, was Turtles difference from regular superheroes. Aside from appearance they're pretty much like people, which makes them all the more relatable and interesting, personality-wise.

What..

With Turtles being giant monstrocities, it's harder to empathize with them. It's hard to see how even MANY Foot Soldiers will pose any kind of threat to them, if Shrek'les can dispose of them with one single punch. And, if infamous Hummer scene is any indication they also have superdurability and superstrength. Basically it makes them quite similar to any other superstrong superheroes, which instantly destorys a lot of of appeal of their characters. There are pretty much like any other superhero at that point. They lose their uniqueness, and this is certainly is something, that I don't like.

I love it lol.. You mean that "Raph smash" that sent the foot soldier... out of frame inches behind him? lol but yet people like you insist he is now floating in space somewhere lmao.:roll: That's rich. Your childish attempts to irk people by continuing to call them Shrekle's and giant monstrosities I also find amusing.

Double Standards. Favorite argument of fanatics of any kind

You've got that right lol. I thought this was someone else's response to your post but it's not. It's all you Smh

There is nothing smart in diminishing quality of the franchise and turning it into generic ****. It's lazy and half-assed approach by the people who want a quick buck instead of creating something with genuine quality.

Well I'm sorry you feel that way. But you're entitled to your opinions regardless of how ridiculous they may be. I love it when people like you call this " lazy " just bc it's not the cut and paste duplicate that you want. What was it you said before? About double standards? I have never seen so many in my life.

And traditional uncalled insult. What guys like this want to prove? That if they insult their opposition their opinion somehow becomes more legit? Or it some sort of compensation for their own shortcomings? Or lack of knowledge about normal human communications? Who knows...:roll:

Once again another double standard lol. I guess he is the only one hurling insults around here and that this is a one sided issue. Dude.. young lady.. whoever you are.. look around will ya. I'm sure if it were Sheep doing the name calling you wouldn't be posting this right now. Again.. if you think some of these things haven't been discussed in detail over and over and over and over again then you haven't been paying much attention

This is what it all comes down to
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Originally Posted by Jester
I think a lot of the concern for size is the Turtles got amped up to "superhero" status...but the Foot are still just normal humans. It's hard to have them be a threat if they're just some guy going up against the newly huge Turtles.

You don't know that though.. Why is it that people only think Sachs was speaking of the turtles when he said that he was trying to create heroes, how many different types of foot have we seen so far? With different masks on? How do we know that there aren't different ranks of Foot with different abilities.. You never know maybe some of these foot aren't human. Just a thought. No one can say that these turtles wont be challenged..

[DevilSpooky]

About their shells, on the mirage comics (don't remeber wich number sorry) one of the turtles get's shot at and survives because the bullet hit's his shell, and on the Archie comics all 4 turtles survive an explosion by hiding inside their shells. If that's ok then why is it so wrong that Raph crashes the humvee and survives?

And the bricks? A Giant Tortoise can weigh as much as 300 kg (660 lbs), try and drop that on a couple of bricks and see how much of those stay intact, now imagine a turtle as big as an human and do the same, the whole building should collapse on his weight.

And about the faces being like that because they are more realistic, I don't think that it's realistic as in what a mutated turtle would look like in real life and more as in what their faces would look like if they would talk and have more realistic expressions.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

And about the faces being like that because they are more realistic, I don't think that it's realistic as in what a mutated turtle would look like in real life and more as in what their faces would look like if they would talk and have more realistic expressions.

I'm talking about people on here and other sites/forums, who if you complain about the look of the Turtles, they literally do say 'because it's what a Ninja Turtle would look like in real life. It's More Realistic. They wouldn't look cute. They'd look Ugly and like Freaks and etc.'

Thus they use the realistic argument on that front by literally saying that. But if folks who don't look forward to the film use the 'realistic angle' in their arguments...then they are deemed 'In The Wrong'.

That's what I meant.

[Jester]

I've also heard the argument used for the "gear": Teens would dress to display their individuality...it's realistic!

[DevilSpooky]

I've also heard the argument used for the "gear": Teens would dress to display their individuality...it's realistic!

That one is true and being scavengers and all I can see real teens doing it like they do, although no teen on his right mind would do what Donnie does on this movie... It's the only Turtle I really have a problem with design wise...

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I've also heard the argument used for the "gear": Teens would dress to display their individuality...it's realistic!

lol I too have heard that same thing. I guess wearing Trench coats wouldn't work today...even though Raph gets dressed in one in that one photo/pic and looks like a Creeper/Pervert trying to find little girls.

It'll sound silly but...then wouldn't it be more realistic for Raphael to use Guns then instead of his Sais?

Since people bring up other/past comic book issues, I do remember when Raphael used guns. Whether it be Bodycount. Or even in the Image Comics, he used guns and took care of some guys before he wore the Shredder's Armor.

So again, why not just have Raphael use guns (that he gathered from gang members, because Realistically they would have guns. Not baseball bats or chains or anything), modify them to fit his finger to the trigger, and just use those instead of his Sais?

Why not do that? Wouldn't that be more realistic in this day and age, a guy fighting crime with guns instead of Sais? And you can't complain...otherwise you just don't like Change ;)

[Puddinpop]

I've also heard the argument used for the "gear": Teens would dress to display their individuality...it's realistic!

I love these weak attempts to bait me into another argument lol. I'd expect it from your buddy but not from you, a mod.

[Jester]

I love these weak attempts to bait me into another argument lol. I'd expect it from your buddy but not from you, a mod.
Yeah...that was not my intention...

[pennydreadful]

I suddenly came to think... In the toy pictures we see that Raph has a huge crack running down the back of his shell, and in the trailer it appears that he has pieces of scrap metal in a cross attached to his shell...

I sort of got the impression that that was duct tape, not scrap metal? I could be wrong though!

And yet if someone complains about the looks of the Turtles and talk about why they don't care for them, others will ridicule them and use the main argument of "Because it's More Realistic, so stop crying. This is how they'd look in real life."

So in other words, some people can't use 'the real life argument' for certain things but the 'real life argument' can be used for other stuff (like the Designs/Looks of the Turtles)?

I do agree that a big part of the reason that I don't know how to take some of the changes they've made is down to this "real life" thing - as in, is a more realistic take what they're going for, or not? I have no idea what context to take some of the things they're doing in, as I don't know whether this movie is meant to be more cartoonish in scope, or whether we're getting the Nolan treatment on the Turtles.

I don't care either way which path they choose, I'd just like it to be consistent across the board - at least it would give me some framework to properly judge what they're doing.

[Warhorse]

My guess is Sach holds a blade to Splinter's neck and forces them to put down their weapons...

That, or they wanted to be captured so they are taken to the villain's location, and they know Raph, April and Vern (should be Casey) is following them. Maybe Sachs is going to try and do with the mutagen that Magneto was trying to do in X1, make everyone into a mutant and the Turtles have to stop it.

Ugh, I'm thinking too much on this.

[AlphaAF]

I love these weak attempts to bait me into another argument lol. I'd expect it from your buddy but not from you, a mod.

Are you kidding me? Being a mod makes him mature? Guy has his own agenda and it usually sides with most of the other snob like elitists on here. Hell, he essentially protects them. It's not very hidden either.

You literally have people making arguments that it isn't plausible for the turtles to be large, muscular beings and still have ninja abilities. When the very context of the argument is fictional mutated, humanoid shaped turtles.

Oh, and muscular plastrons is blasphemous departure of reality in terms of how they would mutate. Or them having lips. But it's totally fine that their bone structure completely alters to mimmic humans in the first place.

:lol:

[Sighphi]

Are you kidding me? Being a mod makes him mature? Guy has his own agenda and it usually sides with most of the other snob like elitists on here. Hell, he essentially protects them. It's not very hidden either.

You literally have people making arguments that it isn't plausible for the turtles to be large, muscular beings and still have ninja abilities. When the very context of the argument is fictional mutated, humanoid shaped turtles.

Oh, and muscular plastrons is blasphemous departure of reality in terms of how they would mutate. Or them having lips. But it's totally fine that their bone structure completely alters to mimmic humans in the first place.

:lol:

We all know these stuff is fake but this is not the discussion.
The discussion here is how fake can some one take.
Anthropomorphized animals have been around since forever which is why a turtle standing up and having human-like physique is not that strange, but when you start going further and further into either side then stuff may end up looking strange to some folks.

[Candy Kappa]

The turtles should have wings under their carapace, cause it's cool. And it's totally just fantasy anyway.

And wolverine claws, cause it's kewl

[electric_sheep]

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[Artist]

Hello Technodrome, I think the issue is how realistic will they look in the world they have created. People are using examples for this world. The world of the movie might be perfect for the turtle designs. Putting the 90's turtles in this film would look unrealistic to the 2014 world. Just like putting FW turtles into the new IDW comic would be silly. I can see why people think they look ugly or have to much baggage, but lets hope in the 2014 world it works.

[Leo656]

Good to see I've missed absolutely nothing the past two months. I could set my watch to you people. The name-calling and insults and generalizations and overall nasty comments from the cats who are "Just trying to stay positive!" are always a nice touch. Stay classy, fellas.

The turtles should have wings under their carapace, cause it's cool. And it's totally just fantasy anyway.

And wolverine claws, cause it's kewl

Word.

Nah, change for the sake of change is a bad thing almost 100% of the time, aaaaand, I'unno why anyone ever pretends that isn't true. Ah well.

[Sumac]

Putting the 90's turtles in this film would look unrealistic to the 2014 world
I am sorry, but it doesn't make sense. World of 2014 is not very different from 1990s. Classic Turtles designs would've worked as good as they always did in realistic setting.

Your childish attempts to irk people by continuing to call them Shrekle's and giant monstrosities I also find amusing.
You need some help, if you take such things as personal insult. :lol:

You've got that right lol. I thought this was someone else's response to your post but it's not. It's all you Smh
And this guy talked some stuff about me using childish arguments to irk people. Now THAT'S amusing. :lol:

I love it when people like you call this " lazy " just bc it's not the cut and paste duplicate that you want.
So using actually good stuff that worked in the past is "cut&paste" now? LOL. I bet all this time, when Batman looked remotely similar to his classic apperance is "cut&paste" job, which doesn't deserve any recognition.
It doesn't make sense, but on the other a lot of things don't, when it comes to people who protect every little decision regarding this movie. :roll:

Once again another double standard lol.
But of course!!
I've yet to see sheep being as rude as AF, who constantly insults everyone, including mods.

[Bry]

'Raph smash'? I hate that comparison ... he backhands a Foot soldier, and, um, uh ... he's big. Also, 'destroying' (really, he put a huge dent in it) a armored humvee isn't really THAT out there, with the context of everything else in that scene going on. TMNT has some pretty weird things going on in all franchises, and being thrown into a humvee and making a dent isn't the biggest 'out there' thing.

However, I see where this is all coming from. Size. They are huge. I don't think everyone's real problem is 'Raph smash'. It's that, when we see this big turtle size, we think of Hulk. We see him hit ONE DUDE with the back of his hand, and we see that comparison of Hulk. And because we haven't seen any martial arts yet, we blame the film of being 'Raph smash'. Isn't that a reach? It is at least for now, since we've hardly seen anything. And I don't think everyone's true problem is the Humvee being smashed, it's more the fact that, again, they are huge.

See, I don't follow this at all, though. You may be right that there is some legit martial arts stuff that we haven't seen yet, but all that the promotional materials have shown us so far is "Raph Smash" style action. These trailers and ads were specifically edited to showcase the movie's style, tone, and content. It's not a "reach" to judge based on the material we're specifically being given to make a judgment of the movie. If they do have something that better represents the actual movie and they haven't shown us, that's just bad marketing. Nobody is required to give this movie the benefit of the doubt in spite of that - and you can blame the studio for that, not the fans.

I've also heard the argument used for the "gear": Teens would dress to display their individuality...it's realistic!

And as we know, all teens were raised and trained from childhood as ninjas, separated from humanity.

The turtles should have wings under their carapace, cause it's cool. And it's totally just fantasy anyway.

And wolverine claws, cause it's kewl

And a million pouches and straps all over, and glowing eyes, and guns half the size of their bodies. Ninja Turtles to the extreme!

Putting the 90's turtles in this film would look unrealistic to the 2014 world.

...how so? Updated versions would be necessary, of course, but those designs were able to effectively "work" alongside human actors 24 years ago. There's no reason something similar wouldn't be able to now.

[Casey]

This thread needs to just get locked. This stuff makes this forum no fun and hard to navigate through.

[slingtheory]

im honestly having a hard time understanding where all the hostility the some of the people on the positive side seem to be expressing toward those who aren't on board with this is coming from.I swear there seem to be some people here who actually take offense to the idea of people being against this movies alterations as if we're supposed to except any and all changes made by a movie team without question. The simple truth it that by all appearances it seems this movie has made some substantial changes to characters and concepts that go against the reasons many people (myself included) were ever interested in the turtles in the first place. Then they release a poor trailer NOT ONCE BUT THREE TIMES which does absolutely nothing the try to alleviate worries and concerns people have. I'm still trying to wrap my head around why the most prominent action shot in a tmnt trailer was rapheal totaling out a motor vehicle through sheer force of impact. something that you would not expect form the turtles no matter how (arguably) cool it looks because beyond being man sized they are in no way super. plain and simple this only looks like a turtle movie on the most superficial level. I like to think im a pretty easy going fan I never go into an adaption expecting a copy/paste story but what I do expect is for the the people involved to stay true to the spirit of the characters, their abilities, and their motivations while telling whatever new stories they want to tell. kind of like what nick and idw are doing. telling new stories using old concepts in new ways, creating their own characters and plot twists. staying true to what's come before while doing their own thing and getting well deserved appreciation for it. I can't help but question why it was felt that that so much change was need for this film adaption and the answers that came to mind are far from satisfactory.

[AlphaAF]

I just heard someone compare the new designs, of turtles with clothing that fit their personality to Batman and Robin. The clear cut homosexual Batman, with sculpted nipples, and molded ass cheeks on his costume. Seriously, this just happened. I'm done with these boards. Wow.

[Sumac]

I'm done with these boards. Wow.
Hoorah, then.

[Bry]

I just heard someone compare the new designs, of turtles with clothing that fit their personality to Batman and Robin. The clear cut homosexual Batman, with sculpted nipples, and molded ass cheeks on his costume. Seriously, this just happened. I'm done with these boards. Wow.

http://media0.giphy.com/media/QHxqxXTnmKCl2/giphy.gif

We're all entitled to our opinions, and we're entitled to voice them. Getting bent out of shape and hostile about stuff like this is exactly what caused so many problems the last time.

Relax. Not everybody has to agree with you. And that's fine.

[Candy Kappa]

I just heard someone compare the new designs, of turtles with clothing that fit their personality to Batman and Robin. The clear cut homosexual Batman, with sculpted nipples, and molded ass cheeks on his costume. Seriously, this just happened. I'm done with these boards. Wow.

Bat-nipples, turtle-abs. Seems equally silly to me.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

I just heard someone compare the new designs, of turtles with clothing that fit their personality to Batman and Robin. The clear cut homosexual Batman, with sculpted nipples, and molded ass cheeks on his costume. Seriously, this just happened. I'm done with these boards. Wow.

If you're referring to my post, you're completely misconstruing what I said. :p

Sadly, short guys can rarely be the heroes in movies.

I do sometimes wish Hugh Jackman (who I really do love his portrayal of Logan) had just happened to be the height for it!

I disagree.. yea he cant change his weight but there are other factors at play.. Esp. when we're talking Ninja. Like basic decision making skills lol. It goes right back to what I was trying to say before. If it was his intention to be "stealthy" I don't think he would have jumped off of a 30+ foot tower.

You could be dead right on this. Please do understand I'm making hypothetical speculations and I'm fully open to the possibility that all these will be addressed and well done.

Thank GOD Marvel doesn't come from Hollywood lol. "Wipes sweat from forehead"
All these other superhero films are no more "logical" than this one should be. People are just picking and choosing..

Again, a big key for me is internal consistency. The key reason I favor Avengers climax over Man of Steel is the lack of internal consistency and missed opportunity in MoS that wasn't present in Avengers; at least not so glaring that it contradicted what I felt was established for the title character.

But Michael Bay himself will never get a benefit of the doubt from me! Cuba! Freakin' Cuba! Narcotics cops invade CUBA!!! :lol:

But I will give credit. I thought Transformers 1 & 2 were bad and 3 was the best, yet general consensus (Rotten Tomatoes, Meta Critic) love the first and hate 2 and 3. And yet, despite that collective opinion, every one makes more money than the last.

And don't even mention how much cash Resident Evil makes. My brain can't even comprehend that one.

I am obviously referring to the forum. I've experienced it first hand many times. " Wow how dare you criticize the original film to defend this crap". People preach about tolerance but when someone else criticizes something they feel is sacrosanct or untouchable tolerance goes right out the window it seems.

The original has a lot of defenders, but you said originals, plural, so I assumed you meant all three. Some defend Secret of the Ooze and even like it better than the first one. I watched Ooze over Memorial Day weekend.... ehhhh, no. I like the first way better.

I disagree with most complaints on the original too, though. My problems with it are more the portrayal of some of their personalities, particularly Leo and Don.

Btw my friend.. you sure wink a lot lol

It's a bad habit I've gotten into when communicating online, particularly on forums. I try to use the emoticons to convey I don't mean insult or to have things taken too dead seriously.

And sarcasm and light heartedness rarely translates online, so.... ;) ;) ;)

[tmntmikey23]

Guys is there any news i seen theses thread for a bit and the last time i wen there was the pictures of the turtles in the EW any news thats new ?? can anyone PM me it if there is thx

[TigerClaw]

Guys is there any news i seen theses thread for a bit and the last time i wen there was the pictures of the turtles in the EW any news thats new ?? can anyone PM me it if there is thx
Nope, There hasnt been any new news since the stuff from EW Magazine and TMNT converting to IMAX.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Nope, There hasnt been any new news since the stuff from EW Magazine and TMNT converting to IMAX.

I didn't know it was converting to IMAX. I figured Guardians would have 'em locked out because of Disney's partnership with IMAX.

That's good news for TMNT; IMAX offers a nice boost on box office numbers! Godzilla got like 2 million from IMAX alone, I think!

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

See, I don't follow this at all, though. You may be right that there is some legit martial arts stuff that we haven't seen yet, but all that the promotional materials have shown us so far is "Raph Smash" style action. These trailers and ads were specifically edited to showcase the movie's style, tone, and content. It's not a "reach" to judge based on the material we're specifically being given to make a judgment of the movie. If they do have something that better represents the actual movie and they haven't shown us, that's just bad marketing. Nobody is required to give this movie the benefit of the doubt in spite of that - and you can blame the studio for that, not the fans.

I continued to say that, along with claiming there will only be 'Raph smash' material in the movie, claiming there will only be martial arts in this movie is a reach too. There's elements of 'Raph smash' in trailers (Raph's backhand, and some qualify the hummer scene as 'Raph smash'). There's also elements of martial arts in the trailers (Don fighting the Foot, Splinter wielding a sword, the fact they have martial arts weapons, and some qualify the backflip as 'martial arts').

The truth is, as I said, we can't really say one or the other. We haven't hardly seen ANYTHING fight wise, yet, actually. Some may view parts as 'Raph smash', some may view parts as 'martial arts', but we have hardly seen much of either. The fighting has hardly been showcased to us.

Is that bad marketing? Well, I may be wrong, but if we are going to get a taste of what this movie has for us (in more detail) eventually, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Also, I wasn't saying that we should give anyone the benefit of the doubt about anything. I'm just saying, judging from what we have seen, I'm not sure we can assume one way or the other quite yet. Not that we should automatically assume this film is filled with martial arts.

[pennydreadful]

I just heard someone compare the new designs, of turtles with clothing that fit their personality to Batman and Robin. The clear cut homosexual Batman, with sculpted nipples, and molded ass cheeks on his costume. Seriously, this just happened. I'm done with these boards. Wow.

... even if Schneider's Batman were gay, why would that even be a problem? There's nothing wrong with being gay. Or bi. Or purple. We're all people. Let's move on.

The complaining about complainers complaining complainingly is really boring, and I'm aware I just participated in it, but when I log in and this is the first thing I see... nygh. I want to be friendly with everybody on this forum, regardless of what parts of the franchise they like. Can we please all just get some perspective on this?

Seriously, do you not realise how many people are avoiding the boards because of this sh*te at the moment? GAH. We're all Turtles fans, some of us like/dislike different things, for the love of god stop turning it into World War 3.

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[fridaynightdestination]

It says the IMAX release is only for select international theaters on August 8th, but it does not open internationally till October right?

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

... even if Schneider's Batman were gay, why would that even be a problem? There's nothing wrong with being gay. Or bi. Or purple. We're all people. Let's move on.

I think the problem is that Batman, as a character, is not gay. Just like Batman doesn't have those interesting accessories to his suit ... but, as you said, let's move on. :)

The complaining about complainers complaining complainingly is really boring, and I'm aware I just participated in it, but when I log in and this is the first thing I see... nygh. I want to be friendly with everybody on this forum, regardless of what parts of the franchise they like. Can we please all just get some perspective on this?

Seriously, do you not realise how many people are avoiding the boards because of this sh*te at the moment? GAH. We're all Turtles fans, some of us like/dislike different things, for the love of god stop turning it into World War 3.

Agreed. And, yeah, I'm guilty of it too.

I think maybe we should all consider taking a break from this movie discussion section of the forum, stop all this bickering and arguing about things we've already bickered and argued about before, until some new still with the turtles is released, or the new trailer, or something really new and BIG worth discussing. This constant nagging and debating from both sides about the same things over and over again can get really old, and I think it sort of drains some people.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

It says the IMAX release is only for select international theaters on August 8th, but it does not open internationally till October right?


that is definitely confusing

[Leolead]

Hey guys i'm new here can't wait to start posting a lot and i'm a fan of the new movie BTW As you can see in my avy lol

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Hey guys i'm new here can't wait to start posting a lot and i'm a fan of the new movie BTW As you can see in my avy lol

Welcome, Leolead!

Excited to see you around. You should probably start a new thread in the 'Introductions' section of Technodrome Forums (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15), so more people can meet and greet you, find out about other versions of the turtles you like/dislike, and learn all about your experience with the franchise. :)

[Puddinpop]

It says the IMAX release is only for select international theaters on August 8th, but it does not open internationally till October right?

It is only internationally right now but they are expecting an announcement soon on domestic IMAX releases.

[tmntmikey23]

Hoorah, then.
Dont have to be mean he is a new member and he gave his opinion.

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We're all entitled to our opinions, and we're entitled to voice them. Getting bent out of shape and hostile about stuff like this is exactly what caused so many problems the last time.

Relax. Not everybody has to agree with you. And that's fine.

That's the thing with some of you guys someone gives his opinion and you think he/she is saying he does not like your opinion but he/she never says anything about how he hates your opinion. you just assume he/she does not like your opinion give this guy a break. you can talk to me like this but not to someone that's new to the forums. keep it clean please!!

[tmntmikey23]

Hey guys i'm new here can't wait to start posting a lot and i'm a fan of the new movie BTW As you can see in my avy lol

Hi Friend Welcome To This Forum! I am exsited for this movie to cant wait for toys and the movie.

[Leolead]

Hi Friend Welcome To This Forum! I am exsited for this movie to cant wait for toys and the movie.

Thanks!, any idea when the toys come out?.

[Puddinpop]

You could be dead right on this. Please do understand I'm making hypothetical speculations and I'm fully open to the possibility that all these will be addressed and well done.


Again, a big key for me is internal consistency. The key reason I favor Avengers climax over Man of Steel is the lack of internal consistency and missed opportunity in MoS that wasn't present in Avengers; at least not so glaring that it contradicted what I felt was established for the title character.

But Michael Bay himself will never get a benefit of the doubt from me! Cuba! Freakin' Cuba! Narcotics cops invade CUBA!!! :lol:

But I will give credit. I thought Transformers 1 & 2 were bad and 3 was the best, yet general consensus (Rotten Tomatoes, Meta Critic) love the first and hate 2 and 3. And yet, despite that collective opinion, every one makes more money than the last.

And don't even mention how much cash Resident Evil makes. My brain can't even comprehend that one.



The original has a lot of defenders, but you said originals, plural, so I assumed you meant all three. Some defend Secret of the Ooze and even like it better than the first one. I watched Ooze over Memorial Day weekend.... ehhhh, no. I like the first way better.

I disagree with most complaints on the original too, though. My problems with it are more the portrayal of some of their personalities, particularly Leo and Don.



It's a bad habit I've gotten into when communicating online, particularly on forums. I try to use the emoticons to convey I don't mean insult or to have things taken too dead seriously.

And sarcasm and light heartedness rarely translates online, so.... ;) ;) ;)

Hey.. at least you responded like a mature adult.. which is more than I can say for most of us. Everything you said was honest and fair.

[Machias Banshee]

So, it looks like what happened a month ago and all of my warnings were Clearly ignored...

Since people insist on getting hostile with other (again), this thread is going to be closed for cleaning.

I think what pennydreadful and Sirens said are absolutely the best suggestions for this entire forum right now:

The complaining about complainers complaining complainingly is really boring, and I'm aware I just participated in it, but when I log in and this is the first thing I see... nygh. I want to be friendly with everybody on this forum, regardless of what parts of the franchise they like. Can we please all just get some perspective on this?

Seriously, do you not realise how many people are avoiding the boards because of this sh*te at the moment? GAH. We're all Turtles fans, some of us like/dislike different things, for the love of god stop turning it into World War 3.

I think maybe we should all consider taking a break from this movie discussion section of the forum, stop all this bickering and arguing about things we've already bickered and argued about before, until some new still with the turtles is released, or the new trailer, or something really new and BIG worth discussing. This constant nagging and debating from both sides about the same things over and over again can get really old, and I think it sort of drains some people.

Some of you need to step back and lay off the manic flame-throwing in the sections.
I really wanted people to treat each other civilly, so that we could ALL enjoy the forums without someone ripping each other's heads off. Unfortunately, it looks like treating some people like ADULTS was a mistake on my part.