Stephen King's IT to be remade.

[MastahShredder]

One of my favorite books. Tim Curry was amazing as Pennywise.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/stephen-kings-moves-warner-bros-706062

[blindturtle02]

Huh, so they're finally revisiting this idea? I'd heard that they were going to get around to it in 09 or so, but it didn't happen. I loved the book and the original movie as well, so I'll give this thing a whirl. Can't imagine who will be able to top Tim though. Now if only they'd get around to making the friggin Dark Tower into a TV series... haha

[MikeandRaph87]

Ironically, I first saw the two part It just two days ago for the first time. I am not a fan of Stephen King but this and The Green Mile fall within my interest. It was in a great format (2 two hour segments) and a little bit of humor, action, horror, and mystery all mixed together. Its definitely unique amongst Stephen King works.

This was mention on the internet a few months back as a rumor. Is this confirmation or just reaffirming the months old rumor?

[MastahShredder]

Ironically, I first saw the two part It just two days ago for the first time. I am not a fan of Stephen King but this and The Green Mile fall within my interest. It was in a great format (2 two hour segments) and a little bit of humor, action, horror, and mystery all mixed together. Its definitely unique amongst Stephen King works.

This was mention on the internet a few months back as a rumor. Is this confirmation or just reaffirming the months old rumor?

No, it is real and has picked up again. New Line has the rights now instead of Warner Brothers.

The long road to re-adapt Stephen King's novel It has taken another turn.
Warner Bros. has been developing a big-screen take for five years, and in 2012 it hired Cary Fukunaga to direct two films produced by Roy Lee, Dan Lin, Seth Grahame-Smith and David Katzenberg.

But just as Fukunaga is coming off HBO's True Detective, the project is leaving Warners -- sort of.
In a rare move, It is shifting to the studio's New Line division. Insiders say that as New Line prepares for a June move from West Hollywood to Warners' Burbank lot, the siblings are drawing clearer distinctions about the types of movies they make.

New Line will now take the lead on horror, bringing the company back to one of its roots. It was once known as the House that Freddy Built due to the long-standing success of the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise. Horror is now having a resurgence at the company -- the emphasis is less slashery and more thrills and chills -- as evidenced by last year's hit The Conjuring.

And It is a horror play. The story follows a group of kids called the Losers Club who defeat a creature called It. Years later, the creature returns and the club, now adults, have to band together again even though they have no memory of the first battle.
The plan is for the first movie to tell the kids’ story and the second movie to focus on the adults.

It will be overseen by the division's Walter Hamada and Dave Neustadter, along with Warners vp production Niija Kuykendall, who will also stay involved with the project.

[MikeandRaph87]

I see. The last I heard Warner Bros. was in negotiations to make the film but had yet to make a deal. Its like WB did pick it up but got it for its New Line division like Viacom got Ninja Turtles for Nickelodeon.

Two movies like the previous format and perhaps released in consecutive years like Kill Bill? That sounds like a solid plan though we know how it all pans out like most book adaptations (Hunger Games, Harry Potter). Its just a matter of what New Line will throw in there to stand out from the book and the previous film. The most important thing other than standing out while remaining loyal to what came before is getting a convincing Pennywise and sure the Losers Club is not annoying but believable.

[pennydreadful]

I can't imagine anybody topping Tim Curry, cuz that man is just aces in my book... they'd definitely want to do better than the last movie treatment of "It" though. Admittedly I'm a book snob, but I didn't really find their last attempt at adapting the novel to be very scary - and I'm terrified of clowns, so it shouldn't have been hard for the to give me the heebie jeebies!

Anyway, definitely hanging out for this so far - poor Stephen King's novels rarely manage to make the transition from book to big screen well (though Silver Bullet and Carrie were definitely exceptions to that rule... and Thinner was good, despite the changes that they made).

[Shiro Kame]

From the commercial, the remake is scarier than the original.

[Shiro Kame]

I saw a commercial of IT a couple years ago...unless I remembered wrong...It was enough to creep me out.

[MikeandRaph87]

I was wondering if there has been any more said about this project or if it had made any progress in preproduction or if it landed in development hell.

[turtlefanforever]

idk how to feel about this. I think they should just leave it be.

[pennydreadful]

I haven't really heard anything; I think it's still going ahead - last I heard was that they were still in early production and were looking at a 2015 release? I don't recall seeing much news on any of the horror news sites I visit of late though...

[MikeandRaph87]

I haven't really heard anything; I think it's still going ahead - last I heard was that they were still in early production and were looking at a 2015 release? I don't recall seeing much news on any of the horror news sites I visit of late though...

If its out in 2015 presumably Fall that production would have a script and become screening actors by now. That being said I assumed official release would have mentioned a certain stage of progress had been made. I just got an itch to watch a few clips of the 1990 edition with Halloween coming up and hoped for news on this.

[JakeSully]

whenever who makes a film based on the novel Moby Dick is not "remaking" John Huston's film. They're making a new film based on the same literary source material. That's what the new IT films are, a separate adaptation of the book and not a remake of the earlier film.

For example i don't consider John Carpenter's The Thing to be a remake of The Thing From Another World because they are 2 completely different films. They use the same source material, which comes from a book entitled Who Goes There by John Campbell, but the movies take different directions with that material and are nothing alike because of it. I would consider Carpenter's version to be a remake if he had tried to reinvent the 1951 film and borrowed aspects from it, but he did not. A remake to me is the Hills Have Eyes 1977 and Hills have Eyes 2006 because it uses the same plot, takes aspects from it, including being based on the motion picture produced earlier plus the screenplay written earlier and what not. Carpenter didn't do that. He made his own movie according to him and his own independent adaptation. They are 2 separate completely different adaptations of the novella, Hawk's adaptation was a terrible travesty of an adaptation that completely ignored it (the location/the characters and background/the monster/the discover and origin of the spaceship/nature with methods of the alien as Hawk's film was a creature who didn't imitate anyone like the creature from Campbell's book as it had only one form being a vampiric vegetable humanoid who can reproduce itself but wasn't a shapeshifting imitating being) but still a damned good 1951 film despite being one of the worst book to film adaptations of all time like Running Man or Lawnmower Man or whatever. Carpenter's adaptation is a standalone film that is true to the book as it's an excellent adaptation.

It would be like saying every Dracula film is a "remake" of the 1931 film or the silent classic Nosferatu, NO they are all separate and different adaptation of the same source material. Another example is the films Last Man on Earth, Omega Man and I Am Legend which are all separate and completely different adaptations of the original source material which have nothing to do with each other. Same goes for Nolan's Batman Trilogy which aren't remakes of the earlier Batman films while The Dark Knight is a sequel while not a remake of 89's Batman because of Joker and stuff as it's a completely different story with a different Joker as i consider Nolan's trilogy to be a separate adaptation of the comics and graphic novels.

There is a difference between a remake and an adaptation.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, The Thing, Stephen King's The Shining, Lord of the Rings, Dredd, Dracula, Frankenstein, The Omega Man/I Am Legend, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Carrie, A Christmas Carol, Amazing Spider-Man, Let Me In, the upcoming IT 2 part movies, War of the Worlds, the upcoming Crow film etc. are adaptations of source material being books, novellas and comics. Including being separate adaptations.

Night of the Living Dead, The Fog, Halloween, Maniac, Hills Have eyes, A nightmare on Elm Street, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, House on Haunted Hill, Ocean's 11, King Kong, Father of the Bride, The Nutty Professor etc. those are remakes in every sense of the word.

I can't wait to see how this new r-rated big screen adaptation goes, maybe Kevin Spacey should play Pennywise.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not sure what the point of that post was, but oooo-kaaay. Also, I'm not sure how I feel about how the first movie is focusing on them as kids and usingthe second for the adults' story. Part of what made the book (and the original movie) work so well was the extensive use of flashbacks and how it would go back and forth, telling the story bit by bit and side by side so that you saw how things were happening all over again. Breaking that flow just seems like it would take something away from the story.

[Candy Kappa]

well, I hope it is an adaptation of Stephen King's It the book and not a remake of It with Tim Curry (although Curry can totally reprise that role imo):P

I've only seen the Curry movie as a kid, and i remember that I though the Spider was It's actual form, and was extremely disappointed by the ending.

[pennydreadful]

It would be like saying every Dracula film is a "remake" of the 1931 film or the silent classic Nosferatu, NO they are all separate and different adaptation of the same source material. Another example is the films Last Man on Earth, Omega Man and I Am Legend which are all separate and completely different adaptations of the original source material which have nothing to do with each other. Same goes for Nolan's Batman Trilogy which aren't remakes of the earlier Batman films while The Dark Knight is a sequel while not a remake of 89's Batman because of Joker and stuff as it's a completely different story with a different Joker as i consider Nolan's trilogy to be a separate adaptation of the comics and graphic novels.

There is a difference between a remake and an adaptation.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, The Thing, Stephen King's The Shining, Lord of the Rings, Dredd, Dracula, Frankenstein, The Omega Man/I Am Legend, The Dark Knight Trilogy, Carrie, A Christmas Carol, Amazing Spider-Man, Let Me In, the upcoming IT 2 part movies, War of the Worlds, the upcoming Crow film etc. are adaptations of source material being books, novellas and comics. Including being separate adaptations.

The point is that IT does not work as a good horror story when you cut so much of what's in the book out of it - as the original film did. If you can't do a film that at least conveys the spirit of the source material faithfully, then people are going to have legitimate criticisms.

I understand that not everything that's in books can make it into a movie adaptation - I get it. I'm not going to throw a sh*t fit because Winky wasn't in the fourth Harry Potter movie, y'know? But a concerted effort still needs to be made to convey the emotions that one undergoes when reading the book. King is a master of his craft. It's not like we're discussing the 50 Shades of Grey movie here. I have a problem when good literature is hacked apart just for the sake of a studio buck with no care for the final product. Write me off as being a pseudo-intellectual snob, but my opinion on this matter is never going to change, regardless of what anybody says.

The Crow is a perfect example - the film made plenty of significant changes from the original graphic novel. But they kept the tone and the message of the source material intact.

Then you look at The Hobbit, where they crammed in a bunch of extra crap just so they could stretch it out to three movies. Perfect example of a bad adaptation.

Kubrick's film treatment of The Shining was also absolutely ghastly, and was not faithful to the tone of the novel in any way, shape or form. King himself has said that he hates it. That movie was an absolute butchery of a genuinely frightening novel and I cannot fathom why so many horror fans think it's the cat's proverbial pyjamas.

Whether it's perceived as a remake or an adaptation is purely down to the wording in the film news articles. If there's already an existing movie based on that novel, it's fairly standard that it's going to be referred to as a remake - whether or not it's a new take on adapting the novel. Regardless of what word you use to describe it - remake or adaptation, it really doesn't have anything to do with anything. The creative team still needs to do a good job.

That being said, the ending to IT was batsh*t crazy and I'm fairly certain that King was still soundly in the grip of Team Alcoholica when he wrote that part. There's not a film adaptation in the world that ain't gonna change that ending. :lol:

[shuriken]

I can't believe I still haven't read the book. Saw the movie, but when it comes to King, the books/ short stories are better 85% of the time.
Should be neat to see how they do the remake though.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

The point is that IT does not work as a good horror story when you cut so much of what's in the book out of it - as the original film did. If you can't do a film that at least conveys the spirit of the source material faithfully, then people are going to have legitimate criticisms......

That being said, the ending to IT was batsh*t crazy and I'm fairly certain that King was still soundly in the grip of Team Alcoholica when he wrote that part. There's not a film adaptation in the world that ain't gonna change that ending. :lol:


Agreed on both points here, penny. The book was MUCH creepier, primarily because of things like Patrick's death, the things he did to the animals in the junkyard, Beverly's husband and father, and the ultimate form of the creature. That and Bill's wife's reaction when she first SAW "It". That scene was completely left out, and it's what chilled me more than anything else in the book.

Speaking of which- I think the ending being bat-$h*t crazy was half the reason that book worked so well as a horror story. And King has even said it was one of the stories that came out of his own nightmares, just as much of his most frightening work has. Which explains A LOT.

[pennydreadful]

Yeah, I can roll with It's final form, I'm more just thinking about

the sex-athon at the end when they're lost in the tunnels.

As I said, this was one of the novels he wrote when he was having substance abuse problems in the 80s; "It" was published in '86 and King was using cocaine heavily from 1978 to 1986, as well as drinking and abusing prescription meds. He did the first rough draft in 1980 and the finished novel took him four years to write, so this puts the book smack in the middle of his drug years. He wrote some great books during that time - like "Misery", but he also wrote "Tommyknockers"... so, y'know... yeah. :lol:

I did find It scarier before we saw what It actually looked like, but I think that's because your mind always comes up with much scarier stuff when it isn't given the full picture.

Honestly, I don't know that a movie adaptation of "It" could ever really fully capture the scariness of the book... stuff like the feel of the small town, the petty, myriad, everyday cruelties that people inflict on one another... the thought processes of characters like Bowers and his descent into madness, and the racism that he absorbs from his father... a lot of King's work is very very complex and has a lot of themes and so much of the world-building and important character moments take place inside the thoughts of the characters. It's not an easy thing to convey in a different medium.

Anyone else wondering if they're going to include Adrian Mellon's death in the movie? Because I feel like that's an important thing to include, as it kind of shows It's influence over the whole town as well as the adult population, and the atmosphere of violence which is present for so much of the character's lives.

What people need to grasp is that what makes "It" scary is that it's not just a story about kids fighting a monster. It's a story about how the family values mindset of the 1950s completely failed to deliver, and how if you turned that "happy family" over on its back, you'd see its rotten, ugly, stinking underbelly. The facade of a normal, happy family in a safe, small town was just that - a lie. That was part of the horror of the story. As a kid, you're meant to believe that your corner of the world is safe and orderly and the adults in it are dependable, and really, they're not. There is no safe place and there's nothing reliable and every year, the older you get, the more you realize that. And they grow up and they have to carry all of their own baggage with them and you experience a totally different horror because most of them grew up to be just as flawed as their parents. The book is just as much about the terror of growing up as it is about the terror of being a child chased by monsters.

[blindturtle02]

I hope they do include it. I remember reading the book for the first time at age 12 or so, and his death probably hit me the hardest. Yeah I'd watched the news and heard of stuff like that going on but the book made it a bit more real. Ironic since it was a work of fiction. Adrian was one of those characters I automatically started cheering for even though the outcome was already apparent. Who knows? They might very well include it in the film. I'm also hoping for that standpipe scene. I certainly enjoyed the book more than the TV movie adaptation mostly because of the other forms It took. It's probably my favorite monster ever since it can be pretty much whatever the heck it wants to. I think I'll always hear Tim Curry's voice as the voice of Pennywise in my head while reading, but that's just because I saw the film on it's world premier night so many years ago and his voice has long sense been in my nightmares.

[pennydreadful]

Oh definitely - my dissatisfaction with the original movie treatment is no reflection on Tim Curry. Tim Curry's great; he can do no wrong in my eyes. Tim Curry can marry my sister. :lol:

[blindturtle02]

Oh definitely - my dissatisfaction with the original movie treatment is no reflection on Tim Curry. Tim Curry's great; he can do no wrong in my eyes. Tim Curry can marry my sister. :lol:

I have a friend in Memphis and does she ever have the hots for that guy? lol Yeah I feel the same, PD. The movie wasn't all that great but Curry is what always brings me back. He does a pretty great Darth Sidious too in the final season of Clone Wars. Dude makes one heck of a Sith.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

My favorite role of his will always be the one from Legend. LOVED that movie. Although Dr. Frank N. Furter will always be a close second, LOL! It is probably the other stand-out role I've liked him in, and maybe the butler in Clue, but that's just an all-around fun movie anyway!

[JakeSully]

How about Paul Gimatti or Kevin Spacey as Pennywise?

[MikeandRaph87]

How about Paul Gimatti or Kevin Spacey as Pennywise?

I vote for Kevin Spacey in the role. It would be interesting to see what he could do as Pennywise.

Do we have shooting start date yet?

[pennydreadful]

I have a friend in Memphis and does she ever have the hots for that guy? lol Yeah I feel the same, PD. The movie wasn't all that great but Curry is what always brings me back. He does a pretty great Darth Sidious too in the final season of Clone Wars. Dude makes one heck of a Sith.

My favorite role of his will always be the one from Legend.

Ditto. The man's perfect; it's like silk and velvet mated and his voice is their evil, sensuous baby. :lol:

Did you know he did Dr Sevarius' voice in Gargoyles?

I vote for Kevin Spacey in the role. It would be interesting to see what he could do as Pennywise.

Do we have shooting start date yet?

It's meant to start shooting in summer, but there isn't a date yet. The latest news articles have said that they're going to be more "vicious" with this treatment as they won't be hampered by the public broadcast restrictions that the last one had.

One thing that does disturb me though is the wording in this article:

"While there is no word on the cast of this latest adaptation of Stephen’s work, the filmmakers have expressed a desire to use a younger, more socially relevant compliment of actors."
Source: http://www.inquisitr.com/1793451/new-adaptation-of-stephen-kings-it-will-be-vicious/

I could be misinterpreting that comment but I hope it doesn't mean that they're going to be "updating" this so that it's in modern times - it's very important that the characters' childhood takes place in the 50s. Shifting it would drastically alter the tone for the worse, I feel.

That being said, Stephen King has apparently seen the script and is happy with it, so I guess that's a good sign?

[turtlefanforever]

lol i had to search a bunch of different keywords to find this but they finally cast and "IT" it's that kid from We're the millers. Idk about him as pennywise but he does look kinda creepy eh.

http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/it/245967/stephen-kings-it-remake-casts-pennywise-the-clown

[plastroncafe]

No matter how creepy the new one is, the radio theater program The Thrilling Adventure Hour has ruined It for me by basing a character of theirs off of Pennywise.

Nightmares the Clown...I just...I'll be thinking about how he doesn't sound like Doc Venture, and cackling like Sadie Doyle the whole time.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

lol i had to search a bunch of different keywords to find this but they finally cast and "IT" it's that kid from We're the millers. Idk about him as pennywise but he does look kinda creepy eh.

http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/it/245967/stephen-kings-it-remake-casts-pennywise-the-clown

At first I thought it was weird.

Then I thought about it, remembered the kid's facial expressions and creepiness, and I think it'll work.

[MikeandRaph87]

I picked up the novel version yesterday. 1,090 pages is a bit much, but plenty of time before this comes out. What differences were there in the 1990 adaptation than in the 1986 novel?

Also, why did Mike go back in the sewers for the flashlight instead of just get another one? That was dumb. It bothered me when I watched the mini-series. :P

Just read that the remake is on hold because the director is not happy with New Line's budget constraints.

http://www.thewrap.com/cary-fukunaga-out-as-director-of-stephen-kings-it-at-new-line-exclusive/

[pennydreadful]

Yeah, the budget being cut really isn't encouraging news, IMO. Who knows if this project is doomed to just linger in development hell...

As far as differences between the book and movie, there are quite a few. Some of the main ones off the top of my head are:

- lots of scenes in the book didn't make it into the movie, or things that did make it in were changed (for example, some of the things that were changed/didn't make the cut at all include the gay-bashing scene at the start of the book, the Chud ritual, a lot of the world-building/disasters/murders where It had been in Derry in the past, the clubhouse, Beverley's dad going erm... slightly gonzo at the end, Hockstetter, Mike battling the giant bird...)
- It primarily appears in the movie in the clown form, whereas in the book, It takes on a wide variety of forms
- the entire third act where they battle It is markedly different (e.g. the giant turtle is no longer part of it and they remove the sex scene which tbh, I found fairly squicky in the book)

[Amaranthus]

I'd read some Stephen King if I wasn't a huge pussy.

[MikeandRaph87]

Yeah, the budget being cut really isn't encouraging news, IMO. Who knows if this project is doomed to just linger in development hell...

As far as differences between the book and movie, there are quite a few. Some of the main ones off the top of my head are:

- lots of scenes in the book didn't make it into the movie, or things that did make it in were changed (for example, some of the things that were changed/didn't make the cut at all include the gay-bashing scene at the start of the book, the Chud ritual, a lot of the world-building/disasters/murders where It had been in Jerry in the past, the clubhouse, Beverley's dad going erm... slightly gonzo at the end, Hockstetter, Mike battling the giant bird...)
- It primarily appears in the movie in the clown form, whereas in the book, It takes on a wide variety of forms
- the entire third act where they battle It is markedly different (e.g. the giant turtle is no longer part of it and they remove the sex scene which tbh, I found fairly squicky in the book)

I have only read three chapters at the moment. The gay bashing scene I did not remember and what prompted me to ask. I saw the ritual of the Chud. Is it something that weakens the monsterin order for them to remove the creature's heart?


Beverley's dad is long dead isn't he? Atleast he was in part 2 of the TV movie. What world disasters that reach world-wide are there? I thought the creature did not reach beyond Derry.

[pennydreadful]

Ah, I mean world-building in the sense of the history of Derry as a town. Basically, thanks to It, there's a looootta nasty stuff that's happened in the town, going right back through its history.

There's probs a fair bit of stuff you haven't seen yet if you're only three chapters in so I wouldn't want to spoil it for you. :D

The book jumps between the childhood of The Losers Group and their current day lives, so you get to see things involving their parents when they were growing up.

[MikeandRaph87]

What is this about a giant turtle?

I am 16o pages in. Just finished the 1st interlude. Stephen King tends to ramble with unneccessary details which is what accounts for the lengthy page count.

Bill is Georgie's brother in the book opposed to Rittler's Ben in the movie.

Looks like the director replacement will happen oposed to haulting the project.
http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/05/28/stephen-kings-it-remake-may-float-again

[THGhost]

So it looks like this remake will never get made now. Good. :P

[MikeandRaph87]

I am 680ish pages into the book. There are definitely some differences that could make it work when remade. The characters in the film are not located where they are in the book. Ben for example is a loner outside of Lincoln Nebraska that regularly visits a diner while Ben in the film serial is a lush living in New York City where Richie is in the book. Richie being in Beverly Hills where Bill and his wife are in the book. There are a few others but that is the one that sticks out the most.

It was hard to tell form the movie serial but Beverly is married to Tom Rogan and he has much more than two consecutive scenes in the novel as one of the two minor villains.

The ritual of Chud is explained in the novel but I do not think I understand the Indian legend behind it as to how It/Pennywise can sense their fears and how a silver dollar/silver in general can beat the creature. Any clarification is welcome.

[MikeandRaph87]

Just shy of page 900. The finish in 1958 with It as a werewolf was much better than the film. It goes to show you what the potential of a film budget can do so It can take on more forms.

Bill and Bev have a one night stand in the book? It just did not feel right and Bill even said it should be Ben. It makes Bev a bit slutty in the novel version. Also it cheapens Audrea's damael role and feel real bad for Ben. I thought it was sweet how he ended up with Beverly at the end,but if he knew about this...

Not sure how it works,but how does speeding on a bike break a canatonic state even in the King multiverse? Just seems like a cheap resolution.

It is said to be a female. One would think due to the forms the creature takes It is male. A twist eslecially with 100ish eggs It produced. How can the creature reproduce though?

[MikeandRaph87]

A new director has been named for the two part remake. Don't know anything about him, but a little web search may surface his credits.
http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/07/remake-of-stephen-kings-it-finds-a-new-director-to-throw-in-the-sewer/

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ditto. The man's perfect; it's like silk and velvet mated and his voice is their evil, sensuous baby. :lol:

Did you know he did Dr Sevarius' voice in Gargoyles?



Yes I did, and he was so PERFECT!


Just shy of page 900. The finish in 1958 with It as a werewolf was much better than the film. It goes to show you what the potential of a film budget can do so It can take on more forms.

Not sure how it works,but how does speeding on a bike break a canatonic state even in the King multiverse? Just seems like a cheap resolution.

It is said to be a female. One would think due to the forms the creature takes It is male. A twist eslecially with 100ish eggs It produced. How can the creature reproduce though?


The bike thing was a bit of a stretch, but I can see how that moment of fear might break through to her. He was forcing her to respond to an immediate stimulus (threat) to "wake her up" from the nightmare she was stuck in.

As for It being female, that was the point. The fact that it was BREEDING (as in, there would have to be others for this to happen) was what was so ultimately horrifying. If they hadn't killed It AND the eggs, the evil would have eventually spread.

[MikeandRaph87]

Yes I did, and he was so PERFECT!





The bike thing was a bit of a stretch, but I can see how that moment of fear might break through to her. He was forcing her to respond to an immediate stimulus (threat) to "wake her up" from the nightmare she was stuck in.

As for It being female, that was the point. The fact that it was BREEDING (as in, there would have to be others for this to happen) was what was so ultimately horrifying. If they hadn't killed It AND the eggs, the evil would have eventually spread.

It makes me wonder if IT breeds asexually as there could not be another creaturr of such a species.

The whole ancient turtle that spits out the universe reminds me of the TMNT Adventures take taken from Indian legend.

Its a shame they cannot maintain their memories. It would seem plausible that since they eere in the lair tge foyr would rember and Mike's notebook would help him bring maintain his. The only two effects that transcend the mindwipe was Beverly reciprocating Be 's long held deep feelings and the damage done to a portion of the city from the second battle with the library,mall, and barrens being severely damaged.
I
Thoughts on the book now that I finished it...
Pretty good book. Some weird bits are in there, some random details that served nothing,but to prolong the story, and sex bits I felt did nothing for the story. I hope in the remake will something other than a monsterous spider will face them. Yet very well characterized and complex characters and the plot does well to compliment that. Characters are relatble and interesting. I could see 2/3rds of myself as Ben and the other one third as qualities of Mike's character. Entertaing from beginning to end which is a good thing with a book this long. I also appreciated the references to the period. Too bad not much on references to the political landscape and Cold War. I do not like horror stories and this was not it. Its a sci-fi murder mystery with a compelling history. Its a shame there was not more on the history and exact origin of It. I would have found that interesting. I am not sure if I want a sequel novel. 1958 is a novel to itself and 1985 is as well. There is always a spawn of IT that could have gotten passed Ben undetected and his and Beverly 's child feels drawn to stop the creature. At the same time qits one of those works that seem better left alone and be self contained as one work. Glad I picked up the book. I would recommend It to anyone who post on this thread yet to read the book.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Actually, it was never specifically stated that there was not or could not be others. The fact that It had been there fro so long, and had been the cause of so much death and terror, implied that it had a powerful influence on people, and by extension, there could be others elsewhere in the world. So it's not entirely out of the question that there WAS another one somewhere and they just never knew about it.

As for the spider, that part was intended to show that humans can't imagine or comprehend its "true" shape, only that a spider was as close as the human mind could get to It. As many people have a fear of spiders already, it makes sense for that to be the "true" shape, or at least something close to it. The "deadlights" of its eyes was something otherworldly or alien, but otherwise, it was basically a huge monster that HAPPENS to look spider-like.

It was very MUCH a horror story, because of the creature, and how so much of what happened was caused by or influenced by it in one way or another. Sci-fi or not, at the heart of the book, was the nature of fear and terror, especially childhood fears, which as the book points out, are more "pure" than those of adults. There are other things, too, like the incident in the junkyard, pretty much any of the scary stuff in the Barrens, and that scene where Pennywise appears in the water. Also- a clown with sharp teeth in the storm drain grabbing a little kid? If that's not horror, I don't know what is!

Incidentally, there WAS some mention of the political and social landscape of the period, but since the book dealt with a relatively isolated small town, it wasn't really relevant beyond the immediate socio-political climate of the town itself. Things like how Mike (being black) was treated, Bev's father being abusive and it wasn't noticed or talked about, and other details pertaining to how people thought back then.

[pennydreadful]

I think it dealt with themes of domestic violence as a whole, since Bev then went on to marry someone who battered her.

I've noticed that Stephen King tends to touch on a lot of those types of subjects in his novels in terms of racism, homophobia, domestic violence, anti-Semitism, the myriad every-day cruelties that people inflict upon one another and the faces that so-called "decent people" reveal behind closed doors.

I agree that it is a horror story - for me, horror isn't just about blood and gore, it's about humanity in general. Horror is defined as "an intense feeling of shock, fear or disgust" - to me, this book delivers that on every level. A killer clown is frightening to me, but Adrian Mellon's murder elicits just as much fear and horror. Tom viciously beating Bev's friend Kay is as repulsive and scary as Patrick Hockstetter being killed by the flying leeches.

[MikeandRaph87]

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/back-to-derry-an-oral-history-of-stephen-kings-153351801.html

I found this interesting interview and retrospect on Yahoo! It has now been 25 years since Tim Curry haunted or delighted horror and/or sci-fi fans as Pennywise.

Wish we could get news on the theatrical remake.

[MikeandRaph87]

Not sure if a cast has been rounded out, but filming is set for July 11th in a town in Canada.

http://m.northumberlandnews.com/news-story/6698081-port-hope-eyed-for-remake-of-stephen-king-s-it-

[MikeandRaph87]

Will Poulter is no longer Pennywise, the creppy looking actor perhaps best known for playing the role of Kenny in We're The Millers. Instead Bill Skarsgard is in the role of Pennywise/It. I admit I have never heard of the Swedish actor though I do find it amusing to an extent that he was three months old at the time of the original adaptation. More of the cast is listed in the article along with the team of producers. Unlike Stephen King's It telefilm two parter which was a who's who of 1980s' sitcoms they all appear to be unknown ( as far as I know anyway).


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/stephen-kings-adaptation-finds-pennywise-898993

I don't mind amping up the violence, but I hope Beverely's sexual misadventures will be kept out once again.

Edit:Here is a more in-depth article.
http://moviepilot.com/posts/3950075

[Foombamaroom]

Am I the only one who finds it interesting that the original came out in 1990, and the new one is for 2017? Y'know, 27 years later, like the original feeding years?

[MikeandRaph87]

First image of Pennywise in the currently filming movie.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/13/it-movie-pennywise-first-look

[MikeandRaph87]

The trailer dropped today.
https://youtu.be/FnCdOQsX5kc

[turtlefanforever]

Looks pretty lame to be honest.

1. No one will be better than Tim Curry. Should have brought him back at least to voice.
And It wasnt really needed and cannot outdue or match the original.

[Allio]

Looks pretty lame to be honest.


that's Stephen King at his best.

[MikeandRaph87]

http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2017/06/01/indiegogo-spotlight-pennywise-it

There is a behind the scenes documentary of the two part T.V. film in the works.

[Andrew NDB]

Movie is AWESOME. Way, way better kid stuff than the kid stuff in the original mini-series.

I wonder if the second part will explain why the adults don't even think for a moment about bringing pistols/shotguns/firepower to take on Pennywise. In Maine.

[DWC]

Just back from seeing it at the cinema.

Great film. Really sets up a sequel as well.

Pennywise was pretty frightening and the kid actors were quite good.

[Shark_Blade]

I just love the kids chemistry. Reminds me of the Super 8/Attack on the Block/Goonies kids a lot.

Fav characters:

1. Pennywise. Visually better than Tim Curry's of course. Acting wise I prefer the new clown too, so demented and disturbing.

2. Eddie "It's gazebo! It's bull****!!!" :tlol: I just love his constant paranoia and high regard for hygiene and health, but in the end come to realization that it's just dragging him down. His clapbacks are wonderful too - "Eddie, are these medicines birth controls?" "Yeah I'm saving it later for your sister" :lol:

3. Beverly. Molly Ringwald of the group, nuff said.

4. Jeremy. Loveable outcast. Sad that Beverly didn't like him that way though.

5. Mike. I kinda wish he got to spend time with the group (river bathing, hanging out at their house etc) but alas. He's ready to kill a clown than an innocent sheep lol.

6. Georgie. He's just cute and fit the plot.

7. Bill. Cliche tragic leader but he fit the purpose.

8. Richie. Not much known about his family. Some people like his jokes but it didn't do much for me as it's rather rude/annoying in some parts. (Measuring dicks, only virgins can see it, etc)

9. Stanley. Being a person of Jewish heritage it provides an interesting different point of view but sadly he's constantly negative and annoying. Only redeeming quality is that he stays with the group at the end for the boss fight tbh.

[Coola Yagami]

I liked the movie. Pennywise was creepy as hell. I like the way he just twists around and puts his body back into shape while the victim is just frozen in horror.

All of Derry is messed up though. All the kids have crappy parents, the bullies want to carve you up or flat out kill you, and then there's that pharmacy guy totally checking Beverly out. I honestly can't wait for the sequel and i hope they pick good choices to play the adults.

[PApagreg]

Here's to hoping that Seth Green plays adult Richie in the second chapter

[MikeandRaph87]

Here's to hoping that Seth Green plays adult Richie in the second chapter

That would be cool and the perfect not to the TV film.


Did anyone else think Beverly being abducted after killing her father in self-defense defeated the independence she was to be seen with because of the damsel in distress causing the boys to go save her.

[Coola Yagami]

That would be cool and the perfect not to the TV film.


Did anyone else think Beverly being abducted after killing her father in self-defense defeated the independence she was to be seen with because of the damsel in distress causing the boys to go save her.

Idk. I mean being abducted by a demonic clown you can't simply bitchsmack away doesn't make her less of a person.

[Andrew NDB]

I can almost guarantee you we'll see Channing Tatum or Chris Pratt as adult Ben.

[Shark_Blade]

That would be cool and the perfect not to the TV film.


Did anyone else think Beverly being abducted after killing her father in self-defense defeated the independence she was to be seen with because of the damsel in distress causing the boys to go save her.

Wait, her dad actually died? Seen it twice but I never thought that. :tlol:

He got it coming tho.

[MikeandRaph87]

Idk. I mean being abducted by a demonic clown you can't simply bitchsmack away doesn't make her less of a person.

I mean, it had to be the lone girl of the group that all of the guys had to go off to save.As far as stereotypes it felt like it fell into that which I thought by changing it so she actually had to kill him instead of him dying after she went off to college never to return.

"Beep Beep, Richie!" was only used once. :(

[MikeandRaph87]

IT's back!

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hells yeah.

[MikeandRaph87]

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Stephen King's IT Chapter 2 final trailer. Friday after Labor Day, September 6th Pennywise resurfaces in 2016 to cause the former pre-teens another round of heck. I liked the first chapter, but I kind of like cheesy 1990 version with 80s' TV stars and memorable lines better.

Looks like this time the kid actors will get more focus than the first adaptation. I am curious how the Ritual of the Chud will be portrayed. Otherwise I would rather Bev not have a one night stand with Bill before moving to Ben. Hopefully we will get some solid characterization with the 5 losers too. The book did a solid job of it.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think there will be the kid orgy from the book but it will otherwise be more faithful. And we'll get the Pennywise space origin somehow.

[MikeandRaph87]

I don't think there will be the kid orgy from the book but it will otherwise be more faithful. And we'll get the Pennywise space origin somehow.

Yeah, the director nixed that in the first film. I am curious how the turtle and the overall ritual will go though. It will be present, but how will it be incorporated?

[MikeandRaph87]

101 Facts about IT. Thought CKD might like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmb_4uycb9s