How would you fix April O'Neil?

[Luckyday]

How would you move the characterization of April from a walking plot device to a character with a fully realized identity?

[Warhorse]

By having the Turtles crash at her place for a few days because of something going on down in the sewers. This way, you get to see quick snippets of how she lives, what her room is like, what she does during down time.

[BabyTurtles]

1) have her interact with the other turtles to show that's she's actual friends with them
2) give her hobbies and personal goals
3) let her have her own skills to help the turtles instead of just using her not so helpful kunoichi skills.
4) stop with the "I have a feeling" powers....
5) again! have her talk to someone else other than Donnie and Casey! anyone that doesn't have a crush on her.

...that's a start :D

[Luckyday]

I would want to know how she was growing up because that could gives us a idea of why she act the way she is because if there no really core personality then all of the writers will create their idea of her core personality and each idea is different from each one which will create a OOC character. In short, they need freaking talk to each other.


I always felt that from her school license, she use to be a ugly duckling who was a little nerdy and couldn't hang out with anyone but Irma (and maybe is still seen as such) which why we don't see her really gravitating towards science. She hangs out with Donnie but always done out necessity and not because it interest her as it use to. They write her as someone who tried be someone else or trying figure who she is because that is actually something that teenagers go through.

The other thing is get rid of this Kraang BS plot because it's just not working. The real problem with this character is that she suppose to be the main character and yet the writers do not want to make her the main character or is unable to do so and as such having a April centric story with the turtles as the main characters and april as side character of her story does not work. If you want turtles to be main characters then make them the ****ing main characters and of a turtle centric story. THAT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS! April just works better as a side character or at least it does for those writers because they don't want or can't write April as a character.

[ssjup81]

Hm, how I would improve her...

1. I agree with having her interact with the other three more. I could personally see her getting along with Leo pretty well too, but it has to be reciprocal. Back in season 1, when Mikey wanted to make a human friend, April pointed out that she was a human friend to them, but Mikey said it didn't count because they saved her. I found that strange of him, of all people, to say. I'm just under the impression that yes they see April as a friend and definitely care about her, but not particularly interested in her life as much as Donny is.

2. Show what her hobbies are. She did mention chess club once. I'd like to know what her future goals are. We know more about Casey's future hopes and dreams more than April's. I hate that. What is her life like when away from the turtles? Seems since she's a teenager that the writers would have more imagination in this regard since she's not an adult with an already established occupation.

3. If they are going down the Donatello x April path, show them casually doing things together, not plot-related stuff. What do they chat about when they're not going on about mutations, her father, the Kraang, etc. I also would like this in a nonromantic set up. I mean this in a general one. Romantic implications or not, I just want them to show that there is more to their friendship other than the Kraang and plot points. Maybe that'll help her seem less like a plot device. "April's in this ep. Let's see what plot they'll force her into this time while an awkward Donny amusingly makes a fool of himself in front of her..."

4. Expand on the junk with her mother. Is this why she's so stubborn? Growing up without her? What happened to her mother? What did she grow up believing regarding her mother? When fighting Karai, why did she even think of mentioning that?

5. Actually show her interactions with the others. I was surprised that they didn't do this when she was stuck staying with them in the sewers. I want to see this situation and hope it's used if they do end up having to leave the city for safety.

6. Expand on why she's such a loner. One of her arguments when Splinter said she'd have to remain with them for her safety, was "What about my friends?!" Casey noted that he's rarely ever seen her hang out with anyone and seemed to imply that all she did was study. Why? It's a contradiction, isn't it? Was (is) she a nerdy type who wasn't (isn't) good at making friends?

7. I don't mind her tingling "Mutant sense" or her slight clairvoyance in general when it comes to the Kraang and mutants, but I would like for there to be more to it. This is building up on what I said above regarding the friend thing. I would like for her to reveal how long she'd had this sixth sense power so that it doesn't feel like a 100% plot device. As a kid, did she frighten people off with that sense? Is this why she was implied as being a loner? I think opening up about this would help, and how the sense is only so intense now because of all the current Kraang activity.

That's about all I can come up with for now.

[pennydreadful]

All of the suggestions here are spot-on. There really hasn't been enough development of April outside of Super Spechul Kraang Powers and Love Interest Du Jour. I'd like to know who she is as a person - what makes her tick. I want to see her being a friend to the Turtles, instead of always a burden who needs rescuing. Let her crack a joke every now and then. Let her be more of a surrogate daughter to Splinter. I feel like she takes a lot from the team and doesn't give much back.

I also think it'd help if they actually gave her some down-sides to her powers. One could argue that yes, she has to deal with living in the sewers at times, being in danger and being without a father but IMO that doesn't cut it - that's what we've already got and it's not working.

[Shark_Blade]

Make her an aspiring tv reporter instead of a kunoichi.

[pennydreadful]

Yeah - or give her a blog. Have her reading comic books with Mikey. Show her sparring with Raph, or showing the guys how to cook something. Have Leo teaching her how to speak Japanese.

In short - give her a personality and show her having a bond with the Turtles.

[ssjup81]

Yeah - or give her a blog. Have her reading comic books with Mikey. Show her sparring with Raph, or showing the guys how to cook something. Have Leo teaching her how to speak Japanese.

In short - give her a personality and show her having a bond with the Turtles.To be fair April told Karai that she picked up some Japanese from her friends.

[Coola Yagami]

To be fair April told Karai that she picked up some Japanese from her friends.

Which was most likely splinter and the turtles. Does not count.

[Luckyday]

All of the suggestions here are spot-on. There really hasn't been enough development of April outside of Super Spechul Kraang Powers and Love Interest Du Jour. I'd like to know who she is as a person - what makes her tick. I want to see her being a friend to the Turtles, instead of always a burden who needs rescuing. Let her crack a joke every now and then. Let her be more of a surrogate daughter to Splinter. I feel like she takes a lot from the team and doesn't give much back.

I also think it'd help if they actually gave her some down-sides to her powers. One could argue that yes, she has to deal with living in the sewers at times, being in danger and being without a father but IMO that doesn't cut it - that's what we've already got and it's not working.

Maybe there disadvantages of being an alien hybrid. The reason why the kraang look the way they do is because of the electromagnetic radiation. They evolve to have body that is not covered in nerve endings ( unlike us humans that have entire skin for it) and they use this to their advantage to telepath to each other despite being near electronic machines. The more powerful April's sensing power will become, the more sensitive she will become from being near electronic machines so her powers can never progress to telepathy and her senses can't work in certain environment that has a lot electricity running.

[ssjup81]

Which was most likely splinter and the turtles. Does not count.Yeah, that's what I meant. They are her friends, and it's something that they taught her. You just prefer that it was specifically Leo?

[Coola Yagami]

Yeah, that's what I meant. They are her friends, and it's something that they taught her. You just prefer that it was specifically Leo?

I'd rather it be her actual friends. As in having a life before she met the turtles. She kinda looks like a loser that only has one friend. And that was before she met Casey.

[ssjup81]

I'd rather it be her actual friends. As in having a life before she met the turtles. She kinda looks like a loser that only has one friend. And that was before she met Casey.Oh! I see now. I thought you were agreeing like some others who said that they wished that they'd show April actually interacting with the other turtles aside from Donny so much.

[victory_angel]

1: Definitely more time with the Turtles. Maybe observances on living with the Turtles. While the weeks she's comes to live with them will always be fan-interpretations. Maybe if she's with them when they need to evacuate the city with them perhaps she could keep a private online journal (or secret letter to Irma &/or Casey) about her time with the Turtles about her observances of whats going on with each of her friends.

2: April cooking. I mean why not show April making breakfast for her mutant friends at some point. Or maybe helping Mikey make something that isn't Pizza related. Even if she's a complete klutz in the kitchen she'd at least get a little development.

3: Yes more on her mom. I would totally love it if April's mother turns out to be Mona Lisa, but anything about her mother and what happened to her would be great.

4.We totally need an episode where it flashes back to moments in her life that may not seem significant, but actually are.

5. Episode where she listens in on memories of the turtles lives. Kinda Tales of Leo or reflections type of episode.

[electric_sheep]

April was always kinda bland but 2k12 ramps it to 11 she's so bland that something, something...
How to fix her?

Give her something interesing to do a goal, a hobby an opssesion, anything really...
Give her a better design, the shorts dosen't really work.
When she's out on the street or somewhere where it's cold it's odd that she wouldn't put anything on, give her something that would work everywhere, i like the jacket she had in season 1 whe she was pretending to be a pizza delivery girl, combine that with normal pants.
Get rid of her dad, send him to france or some crap, april is already a Marry Sue, we don't need Marry Sue for Marry Sue.

Speaking of Marry Sue, she need's to take charge les time getting kidnaped and show her training. Give her a better weapon than what they give her, maybe a sword of her own or a baseball bat.

Get rid of Casey Jones.
I hate this Casey so ****ing much and he only makes April even worse.

Get rid of Donnie fixation so she can talk normaly with the turtles without getting uncofortamble.

[Creativecreature31]

^ I love your sig! Beavis and Butthead is awesome! :D

How I would fix April?

Get rid of that stupid, Kraang plot.

Let her interact with the other Turtles

Let this stupid love triangle plotline die out. (I don't really care who she ends up with I just want this to stop.)

Stop letting her be a damsel in distress

Have her spending time with Irma or her dad.

Give her hobbies, likes and dislikes, just make her feel like a person!

[shihe]

I think the Kraang plot is fine. Or at least was fine for a 1st season.
I don't think she's been the focus of said plot lately anyway.

But ok. How I would improve April...
I was about to say have her hanging with the Turtles on their nightly patrolling missions, but she was already shown doing that.

She needs a drive to stick to the Turtles more time. But in order to do that, she needs to feel that she's at fault of something.

Say... Irma gets kidnapped because of her. Or something happens to her father again because of her. That alone is enough for her to hop into the action more.

Also, just the fact that she once (barely) outwitted Karai with her basic training should've been motivation enough to have her wanting to improve desperately. We should be seeing her training more frequently, getting field experience with the Turtles, getting kidnapped less, etc.

I think they're somewhat on the right track this season... but it's going a bit slow for her. Having her kidnapped twice (Mazes and Mutants + Lonely mutation of Baxter Stockman) does not help her case, though. (Alhtough I'm not sure if the former counts).

[pennydreadful]

To be fair April told Karai that she picked up some Japanese from her friends.

True - just would've been nice to have seen it.

3: Yes more on her mom. I would totally love it if April's mother turns out to be Mona Lisa, but anything about her mother and what happened to her would be great.

I'm hoping that they're saving some of the April's mother stuff for a future plot twist - it seems kind of weird that they haven't mentioned her at all.

[Enscripture]

Reveal her to be an alien with a hot-air balloon head with size 16 feet and kill her off and introduce an interesting version that's not annoying as hell and hideous.:tgrin:

[Netkeeper]

Retcon everything, reintroduce her to the audience before all the turtles. Show what she's like on her own before she meets them. What her hobbies and interests are. Who her school friends are.

Once she meets the turtles, introduce character establishing episodes displaying her dynamic with each one + Splinter, one at a time and not all crammed together in a single episode.

Then establish a consistent plot and actually have her play an active role in it.

[NoName999]

Give her humanity.

The mutants have more humanity than her and they're not even human.

[Konchadunga]

Disregarding everything completely unreasonable and impossible, I basically agree with most of the above thoughts. I agree the Kraang subplot should end, but by that, I literally mean end; not just get aborted before its time. Reveal what the shell is going on, have another battle to set the Kraang back further, and then leave it at that. Also, once it's done don't go to MOTW episodes; make the Shredder conflict the new arc.

Regarding April being a boring character with no friends and little identity of her own, I would be okay if they go with that as a starting point, but then they need to make it work in a way that makes her more relatable and not less. Give some reason why she's a nobody, and show her suffering for it. An idea I had was, if they're going to make human models anyway to be the pre-mutation MOTWs, then have them factor into her backstory.

Also, she needs to grow a spine and bring her own feelings about Don/Casey out, as until she does, their characterization suffers, too.

[Technogeek29]

Disregarding everything completely unreasonable and impossible, I basically agree with most of the above thoughts. I agree the Kraang subplot should end, but by that, I literally mean end; not just get aborted before its time. Reveal what the shell is going on, have another battle to set the Kraang back further, and then leave it at that. Also, once it's done don't go to MOTW episodes; make the Shredder conflict the new arc.

Regarding April being a boring character with no friends and little identity of her own, I would be okay if they go with that as a starting point, but then they need to make it work in a way that makes her more relatable and not less. Give some reason why she's a nobody, and show her suffering for it. An idea I had was, if they're going to make human models anyway to be the pre-mutation MOTWs, then have them factor into her backstory.

Also, she needs to grow a spine and bring her own feelings about Don/Casey out, as until she does, their characterization suffers, too.


This. More or less this.

[Stugehen]

She's too young to be the mother figure to the turtles. She's also too young to be a scientist or news reporter. I think the Nick series has done an excellent job in fleshing out the "teenage" in the TMNT....but they haven't really nailed what to do with April.

Think about it...it's hard to do. Some people are saying to give her hobbies, or some solo screen time. I think that's a terrible idea. Who wants to see a teenage girl do teenage girl hobby things in a TMNT show.

Others are saying to give her more time with the TMNT. Isn't that what she's been doing basically this whole season while her Dad has been gone? And why would we want to meet her mom? Her Dad is one of the more boring characters in the show.

The only way that April is going to amount to anything other than a plot device or comic relief w/Donnie is if they remove the "teenage" part of her (same for Casey). I think that's what they're trying to drive at with the Kraang powers...sure she's a teenage girl, but at least she's a teenage girl with super powers right?

I don't really have any input on how to fix her. But I can see why they're struggling with it. I'm guess I'm holding out that the April/Kraang subplot will eventually evolve into something awesome. We'll see...

[BabyTurtles]

She's too young to be the mother figure to the turtles. She's also too young to be a scientist or news reporter. I think the Nick series has done an excellent job in fleshing out the "teenage" in the TMNT....but they haven't really nailed what to do with April.

Think about it...it's hard to do. Some people are saying to give her hobbies, or some solo screen time. I think that's a terrible idea. Who wants to see a teenage girl do teenage girl hobby things in a TMNT show.

Others are saying to give her more time with the TMNT. Isn't that what she's been doing basically this whole season while her Dad has been gone? And why would we want to meet her mom? Her Dad is one of the more boring characters in the show.

The only way that April is going to amount to anything other than a plot device or comic relief w/Donnie is if they remove the "teenage" part of her (same for Casey). I think that's what they're trying to drive at with the Kraang powers...sure she's a teenage girl, but at least she's a teenage girl with super powers right?

I don't really have any input on how to fix her. But I can see why they're struggling with it. I'm guess I'm holding out that the April/Kraang subplot will eventually evolve into something awesome. We'll see...

1) I disagree about her not being able to be a mother figure because she's a teen. Katara is only 14 and she's a mother figure for her whole team.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120719151643/avatar/images/5/50/Katara_cheers_up_Sokka.png
http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/10/9140/Avatar_Aang_Katara_-_compassion_tenderness.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/Aaron123/AInews/Nick/avatar_s3/welcome_back03_wl.jpg
http://aniluap11.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/katara-avatar-the-last-airbender-2660826-640-4801.jpeg

that also goes for being a reporter and scientist, your never too young to be smart or have reporter quirks. :D

2) hobbies/goals would make her relatable. Having April be into photography or writing would be awesome, it would lead up to her being a reporter.....cause that's what hobbies do...they show your interests. In other words...it helps to FLESH the character out. All the turtles have hobbies naturally and it helps flesh them out also.

3) she's been giving time.....but the question is was the time used well? Most of the time she is actually shown it's to move the kraang plot or move the love plot, but simply moving a plot does not make a great character...it's not even enough to make a good character. She needs to be shown doing something else.....just interacting with the turtles is great...and not about the plot, but about other things.You don't see the turtles constantly bringing up the plot in every sentence.

4) It would have been nice to have adult April....but a teenage April can be done right...it's not hard. Just treat her like her own character and not a plot device.

[shihe]

Well an easy way out would be for her to fall into a portal, disappearing for a few episodes into a hellish dimension.
Then when the turtles are in a pinch somewhere, April returns through a portal, a little bit older, and a complete badass. :D


...I feel as though I've seen this happen somewhere else, though.

[Candy Kappa]

She just needs some proper character development.

[Netkeeper]

Think about it...it's hard to do. Some people are saying to give her hobbies, or some solo screen time. I think that's a terrible idea. Who wants to see a teenage girl do teenage girl hobby things in a TMNT show.
What if they wrote some episodes that alternated between the TMNT's "problem of the episode" and April's? She could have a school problem similar to theirs. You know, kind of like Wishbone -- basic episode formula was "alternate between dog's problem and the school kids' problem, but they are actually very similar and both characters learn the same lesson".

Or a conflict between her and the turtles could occur and she'd turn to school friends or even teachers for help, using analogies that don't always work because she can't tell them her "friends" are mutant turtles. [I mean, with Casey now in the picture this option isn't really as do-able. Which is why we should retcon the whole show. :B]

[Stugehen]

1) I disagree about her not being able to be a mother figure because she's a teen. Katara is only 14 and she's a mother figure for her whole team.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120719151643/avatar/images/5/50/Katara_cheers_up_Sokka.png
http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/10/9140/Avatar_Aang_Katara_-_compassion_tenderness.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v42/Aaron123/AInews/Nick/avatar_s3/welcome_back03_wl.jpg
http://aniluap11.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/katara-avatar-the-last-airbender-2660826-640-4801.jpeg

that also goes for being a reporter and scientist, your never too young to be smart or have reporter quirks. :D

2) hobbies/goals would make her relatable. Having April be into photography or writing would be awesome, it would lead up to her being a reporter.....cause that's what hobbies do...they show your interests. In other words...it helps to FLESH the character out. All the turtles have hobbies naturally and it helps flesh them out also.

3) she's been giving time.....but the question is was the time used well? Most of the time she is actually shown it's to move the kraang plot or move the love plot, but simply moving a plot does not make a great character...it's not even enough to make a good character. She needs to be shown doing something else.....just interacting with the turtles is great...and not about the plot, but about other things.You don't see the turtles constantly bringing up the plot in every sentence.

4) It would have been nice to have adult April....but a teenage April can be done right...it's not hard. Just treat her like her own character and not a plot device.

1) I appreciate your comments dude, but I still disagree. Katara was a mother figure of sorts. But she was also absurdly mature for her age given the reality she was growing up in. Her brother on the other hand matched his age. This version of April is no where near the maturity level of Katara. She's always wanting to get into dangerous situations with the turtles. She blamed them for what happened to her Dad even though it technically wasn't their fault. She's very much so a teenager and not much of a mother figure. If she eventually becomes one she's got a ways to go to develop those traits. If they did, they'd only be taking the teenage aspect out of her to do it. .... oh and the Scientist deal. Sure sure I get what you're saying. I was meaning a career though. Thinking of the IDW series, Aprils job has been useful and interesting for the narrative and her character. April in the Nick series is too young to have a job/career.

2) I still maintain that watching April go through photography class in highschool would be kinda boring. It would play with some nostalgia tying her back into the Fred Wolf cartoon, but that's kinda cheep entertainment IMO.

3) I agree with you here. I just want to clarify that I think (or hope) that these not-too-subtle plot points with April and the Kraang will eventually develop into something that fleshes out April's character. Instead of just a plot device or comedic love interest.

4) I like that this series is changing things up, and the teenage April is welcome, but to me they haven't nailed it down yet because it's hard to keep entertaining for an all age audience. I have to say....since you brought up an Avatar reference to Katara, let me point out here the difference between the love-fests in The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra. The Last Airbender handled the love triangles rather well. It as slow and well developed. The Legend of Korra has beaten us over the head with love triangles from the get go...I'm team Bolin...I'm team....whatever. Bluck.

Let's not do that with April, Don, and Casey. Let's not make April continue being the Korra from season 1. Instead let's have this Kraang plot push her into something more profound like Korra in the end of season 2. I think that Korra is still a teenager, but she's also interesting in that her character means something to the world she's a part of. April could totally have all the flaws of a teenager, but end up being the sole key to saving humanity from the Kraang...or something to that effect...

TL;DR - The "teenage" TMNT are great because they don't stop at the teenage part. Teenager April should become more interesting by becoming something other than just a teenager.

What if they wrote some episodes that alternated between the TMNT's "problem of the episode" and April's? She could have a school problem similar to theirs. You know, kind of like Wishbone -- basic episode formula was "alternate between dog's problem and the school kids' problem, but they are actually very similar and both characters learn the same lesson".

Or a conflict between her and the turtles could occur and she'd turn to school friends or even teachers for help, using analogies that don't always work because she can't tell them her "friends" are mutant turtles. [I mean, with Casey now in the picture this option isn't really as do-able. Which is why we should retcon the whole show. :B]

That is a way to do it. But do we really want more Wishbone in our TMNT? I say nay sir! :tsmile:

[BabyTurtles]

1) I appreciate your comments dude, but I still disagree. Katara was a mother figure of sorts. But she was also absurdly mature for her age given the reality she was growing up in. Her brother on the other hand matched his age. This version of April is no where near the maturity level of Katara. She's always wanting to get into dangerous situations with the turtles. She blamed them for what happened to her Dad even though it technically wasn't their fault. She's very much so a teenager and not much of a mother figure. If she eventually becomes one she's got a ways to go to develop those traits. If they did, they'd only be taking the teenage aspect out of her to do it. .... oh and the Scientist deal. Sure sure I get what you're saying. I was meaning a career though. Thinking of the IDW series, Aprils job has been useful and interesting for the narrative and her character. April in the Nick series is too young to have a job/career.

2) I still maintain that watching April go through photography class in highschool would be kinda boring. It would play with some nostalgia tying her back into the Fred Wolf cartoon, but that's kinda cheep entertainment IMO.

3) I agree with you here. I just want to clarify that I think (or hope) that these not-too-subtle plot points with April and the Kraang will eventually develop into something that fleshes out April's character. Instead of just a plot device or comedic love interest.

4) I like that this series is changing things up, and the teenage April is welcome, but to me they haven't nailed it down yet because it's hard to keep entertaining for an all age audience. I have to say....since you brought up an Avatar reference to Katara, let me point out here the difference between the love-fests in The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra. The Last Airbender handled the love triangles rather well. It as slow and well developed. The Legend of Korra has beaten us over the head with love triangles from the get go...I'm team Bolin...I'm team....whatever. Bluck.

Let's not do that with April, Don, and Casey. Let's not make April continue being the Korra from season 1. Instead let's have this Kraang plot push her into something more profound like Korra in the end of season 2. I think that Korra is still a teenager, but she's also interesting in that her character means something to the world she's a part of. April could totally have all the flaws of a teenager, but end up being the sole key to saving humanity from the Kraang...or something to that effect...

TL;DR - The "teenage" TMNT are great because they don't stop at the teenage part. Teenager April should become more interesting by becoming something other than just a teenager.



That is a way to do it. But do we really want more Wishbone in our TMNT? I say nay sir! :tsmile:

1) I can see your point, mature April would have only worked if they started off with her mature in the beginning....they kinda missed that boat. It would have been perfect too....she lives with her dad, she could have easily taken a more motherly role because of the lack of one in her house.

and if not a mother role, she could AT LEAST be a sister to the turtles.

2) we wouldn't be watching her do anything like that lol XD she'd just have a camera always with her and take pictures. Heck it could even help her get some shots of the kraang for the turtles IDK XD and if we went the scientist route, she could be seen doing science with Donnie. (not just watching him!)

3)...yea.....but a plot can only develop a character's story.....it could help push a character.....but quirks/character traits still need to be filled in.

4) I agree with you there....a love plot (especially love triangles) can get annoying, if not done right.

thank goodness Aang didn't really have an competition! (not including Jet cause he didn't really get in between Aang and katara for long)

you know..I have another solution....Have April get kidnapped for a WHOLE season and put Angel in her place!! ^_^ she's always known to be street smart and spunky! I'm sure she'd be fun to have!

.....I know....that'd be an easy way out.

[Cure]

Well an easy way out would be for her to fall into a portal, disappearing for a few episodes into a hellish dimension.
Then when the turtles are in a pinch somewhere, April returns through a portal, a little bit older, and a complete badass.

...I feel as though I've seen this happen somewhere else, though.

It happened to Angel the vampire's son.

My solution would be to write her off.

[MrTMNT2012]

I honestly feel out of all the characters, April is the least in need of 'fixing'.

There should be a thread for fixing Mikey and Casey!

[BabyTurtles]

It happened to Angel the vampire's son.

My solution would be to write her off.

what are the chances of that happening though.....

[Cure]

what are the chances of that happening though.....

None. Are you telling me we're not speaking hypothetically right now?

[ssjup81]

I honestly feel out of all the characters, April is the least in need of 'fixing'.

There should be a thread for fixing Mikey and Casey!So you don't find April's character to feel like a walking plot device? Like that's all there is to her?

As for Casey, he doesn't really need fixing imo. We know what his future ambitions and aspirations are, we know of at least one of his hobbies (hockey and art), and we know what pushed him into wanting to become a vigilant (to protect his family [father and sister] and friends). He does come across as a bit cocky, but that will probably always be the case as it's a trademark of his character, minus the OT where he was just insane (that's why I liked him so much as a kid :lol: ). Anywho, I know all these things about Casey, but I know practically nothing about April and she's been around a lot longer. I find Irma more interesting than April, and she's a minor character...for now. If they could fix him though, maybe humble him a bit to keep from showing off so much or have a consequence for his vigilanting.

As for Mikey I agree 100%! Someone should make a how to fix Mikey thread. First thing I'd fix is his obvious ADHD.

[MrTMNT2012]

So you don't find April's character to feel like a walking plot device? Like that's all there is to her?

As for Casey, he doesn't really need fixing imo. We know what his future ambitions and aspirations are, we know of at least one of his hobbies (hockey and art), and we know what pushed him into wanting to become a vigilant (to protect his family [father and sister] and friends). He does come across as a bit cocky, but that will probably always be the case as it's a trademark of his character, minus the OT where he was just insane (that's why I liked him so much as a kid :lol: ). Anywho, I know all these things about Casey, but I know practically nothing about April and she's been around a lot longer. I find Irma more interesting than April, and she's a minor character...for now.

As for Mikey I agree 100%! Someone should make a how to fix Mikey thread.

Great points on Casey. I guess my main problems are that he's a bit overly cocky and that he's not as developed as the rest of the main group, which makes him forgettable in comparison.

Take 2K3 Casey for example; sure he was cocky, but he never got annoying because he always kept his cool when he was pushed around by the others. He was also naive and kindhearted, that scene where he expressed his love for April in Season 5 is a good example. Above all this, he had an actual character arc! He let go of his traumatising past to confront the odds with more confidence and honour.

For April, I guess I just really like her personality. It may have shrouded my opinion in terms of her being a plot-device but I never felt it was really that hyperbolized!

Mike...just....well, he was good in Season 1 but now it's really getting old whenever he's the butt of the punchline. He's becoming more and more childish and annoying instead of becoming more adult and understanding!

[BabyTurtles]

Mike...just....well, he was good in Season 1 but now it's really getting old whenever he's the butt of the punchline. He's becoming more and more childish and annoying instead of becoming more adult and understanding!

I still believe Mikey was more focused in season 1.

what happened?

[kolaida]

Well an easy way out would be for her to fall into a portal, disappearing for a few episodes into a hellish dimension.
Then when the turtles are in a pinch somewhere, April returns through a portal, a little bit older, and a complete badass. :D


...I feel as though I've seen this happen somewhere else, though.

Obviously, this has been done in quite a few shows and who knows how many books, lol.... But that doesn't make it any less awesome!! I'm all for this idea! Bring it!

ETA: obviously, we were joking... Just saw from the thread bump that some might have taken this a little too literally. Aw well.

[kolaida]

I still believe Mikey was more focused in season 1.

what happened?

Sorry for double post, but wanted to address this too. I think Mikey has come a long ways from the premiere episode. I enjoy him a lot, ADHD and all.

[BabyTurtles]

Sorry for double post, but wanted to address this too. I think Mikey has come a long ways from the premiere episode. I enjoy him a lot, ADHD and all.

I'm glad you're enjoying Mikey :)

I wish I could feel the same way I really do.....:(

[Konchadunga]

Obviously, this has been done in quite a few shows and who knows how many books, lol.... But that doesn't make it any less awesome!! I'm all for this idea! Bring it!

No. No. No. No.

Do you realize what April is now? She's almost nothing but a Deus Ex Machina-powered superheroine, and you want her powered up more?! Unbelievable. For once, I'm on Ciro's side here; there is a tendency to make females too powerful, which should be avoided at all costs. April can already fight; not on the level of the Turtles or maybe even Casey, but pretty well for someone of her status. She's already powerful in some ways. What we need with her is character development that makes sense, and that doesn't see character development as being only getting tougher.

[ssjup81]

Sorry for bumping this thread, but just thought of something to add, although it may have already been mentioned. Since they did the whole Kraang-April thing, I think having her react more to that revelation would do/would've done wonders for her character. I'm surprised this hasn't been done.

[Konchadunga]

I may be compartmentalizing, but possibly April's gone through so much shock in so short of a time that she is now hard to traumatize. She did have quite a breakdown when her father mutated.

[UGHShellshocked]

Have Donnie and Mikey go over to April's place when she's not home then force them to hide in the closet like the Marceline's Closet episode of Adventure Time. :lol::lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LXM2Czp1eg

[PizzaFaceDelivers]

The main thing I'd like to see is more of April's home life. I think that'd go a long way towards fleshing her out. I wouldn't mind seeing Casey's family either.

[victory_angel]

I may be compartmentalizing, but possibly April's gone through so much shock in so short of a time that she is now hard to traumatize. She did have quite a breakdown when her father mutated.

:thumbsup: This. We could see plainly that she was shocked when you see her facial expression. And it hadn't been brought up because learning that she's supposedly a mutant has got to be a lot for her to sort out.

Imagine what things would be like if you group up among humans, and have believed your whole life you were human. The only difference is you had these inexplicable powers no one can explain. Then one day you learn the reason you have these powers is because you aren't actually human, you are actually a human/alien crossbreed and the reason the aliens want you is because your DNA is used to stabilize part of their evil evil plan to seize control of the earth.

That would be too much for any person to deal with and even more so to accept.

[Powder]

I don't wanna fix her, I just want to see more of her. Go figure. In other series' I wanted less. I really like Nick's April.

[ssjup81]

I don't wanna fix her, I just want to see more of her. Go figure. In other series' I wanted less. I really like Nick's April.Maybe "fix" is a strong word. Maybe, "improve" would work better here. Thinking about it, most of the things suggested in this thread were about ways to add onto her character, or more dimensions to it. I still wonder what goes on in her head with the Kraang revelation and still a bit surprised the show hasn't gone back to it, other than her resistance to mutagen.

Hm, I now wonder if the Kraang are hit with mutagen, if they're resistant too..

[Warhorse]

How to fix her. I'd just like her to have some time with the other Turtles besides Donnie. I'd like her to get teamed up one day with Raph since the two seem to not really like eachother right now, and they can grow past that.

[The Vernon]

I wouldn't fix this April. Actually, I'd kill her off. Nothing replaces the original yellow jumpsuit April. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. No, nothing!

[Tora]

Have her sent to a different dimension for half of a season. The dimension she ends up in has a faster timeline and when she returns home she is a little older and has become a better fighter. She can now challenge Karai as a fighter and is much more mature so she chooses to date Donnie and close the door on Casey.