Official Episode Discussion S2 #19 "The Wrath of Tiger Claw""

[Machias Banshee]

Hey all,

http://vimeo.com/97382558 <-- if anyone knows how to embed these here on the forums, Please let me know!


Sorry this is last second - life's been nuts.

So, after several weeks of weird stuff of mutants and whatnot, we're finally getting back to the storyline of Karai, shredder and that whole kidnapping - stockholm syndrome type stuff...

Everyone knows now that Karai is Miwa. So... I don't know how things will change now that Karai knows - will she do anything about it, or will she stay glued to Shredder's side as always?

And what the heck happened to Tiger Claw after getting swallowed by one of the nasty Kraang worms back in 'Wormquake'?


Stay tuned!

[Zulithe]

About 90 minutes till the episode. Who's having very late night pizza?

[ssjup81]

About 90 minutes till the episode. Who's having very late night pizza?How/where will you watch it?

[Zulithe]

How/where will you watch it?

The same way I always do... iTunes puts the episode up for download a few minutes after midnight the day the episode airs. Midnight PST that is.

So basically anyone who buys the episode (or season pass) from amazon, itunes or similar digital retailer gets to watch it 11 hours early... assuming you are even awake at midnight :)

I pick iTunes because you can DOWNLOAD (not just stream) the episode in 1080p resolution. But some people don't like iTunes because it's only available on certain platforms and devices. You have to make the choice that is right for your viewing habits.

[ssjup81]

The same way I always do... iTunes puts the episode up for download a few minutes after midnight the day the episode airs. Midnight PST that is.

So basically anyone who buys the episode (or season pass) from amazon, itunes or similar digital retailer gets to watch it 11 hours early... assuming you are even awake at midnight :)

I pick iTunes because you can DOWNLOAD (not just stream) the episode in 1080p resolution. But some people don't like iTunes because it's only available on certain platforms and devices. You have to make the choice that is right for your viewing habits.Well, midnight stateside (PST) June 8 would be about 4:00 PM JST, June 8. I guess I could try iTunes. I've rarely ever used iTunes outside of transferring music and videos to my Apple devices...oh and Rob Paulsen podcasts.

Wait, I can use my PC for this of course, right? lol

[Zulithe]

Sometimes I come off like i'm pimping iTunes, I don't want to seem that way. I think it works perfectly for my needs, that's all.

Like I said, if you prefer amazon video, you can get it there. I don't know the full list of companies that sell the episodes/seasons digitally. So you might want to research that on your own.

If you are in Japan there may be japan-specific sites that sell them. I really don't know.

You asked about if you can use your PC: of course. In the case of iTunes purchases they will work on Mac, Windows, iOS devices, Apple TV...

If you go with amazon you can use Mac, Windows, iOS, Android, Kindle tablets... etc.

[Zulithe]

well it's a little complicated.

iTunes divides each Season of TMNT into TWO seasons. So the Season 1 and 2 on iTunes are actually "Season 1 part 1" and "Season 1 part 2"

It's less confusing than it sounds.

So the current iTunes Season is Season 4 (aka Season 2 part 2... yes we are near the end of season 2 as you said)

If you purchase a season pass you get access to all the past episodes as well as future. So purchasing a season pass near the end of a season isn't necessarily a bad idea... if you have any intention of re-watching the episodes down the line.

You can purchase on a per-episode basis as well but I have no guarantee that it will go live at the same time it does for Season Pass holders or not.

Also I don't know how region locking and iTunes work and if you'd have any problems watching them in Japan.

[ssjup81]

well it's a little complicated.

iTunes divides each Season of TMNT into TWO seasons. So the Season 1 and 2 on iTunes are actually "Season 1 part 1" and "Season 1 part 2"

It's less confusing than it sounds.

So the current iTunes Season is Season 4 (aka Season 2 part 2... yes we are near the end of season 2 as you said)

If you purchase a season pass you get access to all the past episodes as well as future. So purchasing a season pass near the end of a season isn't necessarily a bad idea... if you have any intention of re-watching the episodes down the line.

You can purchase on a per-episode basis as well but I have no guarantee that it will go live at the same time it does for Season Pass holders or not.

Also I don't know how region locking and iTunes work and if you'd have any problems watching them in Japan.Hm, the ep isn't up yet so maybe I would need to be a season pass holder. The majority of these episodes are rewatchable imo. I also doubt I'll have trouble watching it. Anywho, enjoy.

[Zulithe]

I am downloading the episode now.

[Zulithe]

The Wrath of Tiger Claw

Spoilers for the episode to follow. Do you hate spoilers? Well why are you in this thread then.

Karai still has a lot of questions and reservations about Splinter.
Tiger Claw had one heck of an epic adventure to return to Earth! Loved the cutscene.
That's right, BIGGS IS BACK!
Leo wins the pizza gyoza challenge :) awesome.
Mikey... don't talk with your mouth full!
Uh-oh... Mikey forgot the leftovers. Huge emergency.
"We have to get to April! ... And Casey, you know, time permitting!"
April, Casey and Irma going to the movies together, cool.
Dang, anytime April wields her fan it just looks awesome.
Mikey moonwalking on the ice.
Oh no Karai... T__T y u do this
"Why'd you have to bring Irma again... she's so nasty" LOL WHAT
Tiger Claw/Turtles/Karai in the meat plant fight was among the very best they have done!
CLIFFHANGER

Awesome ep guys!! I love the more plot-driven episodes like this. It's where the series really shines. I thought the lair had been discovered for a bit, I thought "ohhhh so here is where the turtles are forced to leave the sewers!" But I guess not. At least not yet.

I gotta give it a 9/10

[ssjup81]

*Cries* I can't watch it and it sounds like such a good ep! I got the ep. I decided to get the season pass but I chose "download later" so I can go straight to the Tiger Claw ep. When i tried to download it, I got an error message saying, "This computer is already associated with an Apple ID. You can download past purchases on this computer with just one Apple ID every 90 days. This computer can be used with a different Apple ID in 53 days". I have no idea why I'm even receiving such a message.

I want to see Irma, April, and Casey hanging together and I really am interested in everything dealing with Karai! Has Irma encountered the Turtles yet?

[LH]

The Army of the Kraang..... Whoa.... :teek:

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag109/NostalgiaGeek/IMG_77371_zpsc6568fa4.png

Triceratons piloting those machines!... and... The creature behind Tiger Claw...

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag109/NostalgiaGeek/IMG_77361_zps0ba02982.png

When I first saw him I did a double take... I thought I saw Leatherhead...

Wow... This is a lot to take in.....

Also, did anyone else notice in this episode Casey's T-Phone got a remodel? In "The Manhattan Project" it looked liked the others, and now it looks like an orange iPhone running Donnie's software... Interesting...

and Mikey's shell getting knocked loose... Ouch... as well as that final kitchen battle with the saw and grinder... many intense moments in this episode that made it really great.

[BabyTurtles]

I loved it!!! XD finally an episode I like alot!

proud of Mikey!! you hidden smarty you
knowing how to find Casey
AND
having the idea to go to a meat locker!! to fight Tiger Claws

[shredder orokusaki]

Itold Karai the truth and now she is my prisoner!! HAAHAHAHAHAAHAH:D:D Trciceratons are working for Kraang. That seems simialr to IDW where we learn that utroms created them. That creauture behing tiger claw who could be?

[MartiusR]

Nice! I've really enjoyed this one, IMHO far far better than a couple of episodes before this short hiatus we had after 18th May.

These sketches were telling the truth! I haven't even expect that SUCH spoiler could seen the light of the day for such a big amount of time before the episode(well, at least that it will be so detailed), but the last scene was excactly and literally the same as it was shown on these sketches, that one of the users linked on forum.

Good to see Tiger Claw back, he's really worthy enemy for the turtles. And finally, the major twist with Splinter's daughter has begun. This month seems to be really interesting. Can't wait for the 15th and 29th June!

Even if I had some doubts before, after watching this episode I won't be surprised, if in the end Miwa will join to the "green team", but we will see.

[RandomtasticFantasy]

Loved it, such an awesome start to an already promising week!

-Mikey, why are you so awesome and adorable? Seriously, he was just great this week! I really want to see more of his intelligence and observation skills shine through!
-Oh Kairi...I actually feel sorry for her. And Shredder's reaction to her learning the truth made me laugh for some reason, even if I'd seen the storyboard leak before hand. No explanation, no apologies, just "Yep, he's your real dad--PRISON FOR YOU!" Oh Shredder...you extreme person you. :lol:
-Tiger Claw is just awesome. Rapidly becoming my favorite villain of the show. I can't wait to see the Shedder/Splinter/Tiger Claw fight now. He actually had me worried for the restaurant owner and me urging the guys to find Casey quickly. And when they all had the showdown in the meat locker, I was nervous the entire fight. More so with the circular saw going. I think it's why I love him so much: I actually feel things are at stake when he's in the seen. More so than even the Shredder.
-I can't wait to see Irma interact with the turtles. I'm really liking everything about her thus far. And Casey, she's not THAT ugly, :lol:!
-Casey in general this episode. Loved a lot of his lines.
-Mikey skating. Dunno why, I just loved that scene.
-Nice episode to the plot thread I'm liking most thus far. I'll be sad when we get another Kranng driven episode.

Great stuff, 9/10. Awesome return after that short break!

[Vicky82]

Oh My God, Oh My God, the episode was amazing it was epic i'm so hyped up that I need to calm down.

[ssjup81]

Okay, I was finally able to watch it. I decided to just go to Amazon for now.

This episode was great! Loved it! I agree with the pacing too. Before I get into actual plot stuff, I'm curious about Irma. Geez Casey! lol "She's so nasty." What in the world does she say or do for him to even think that way of her. Getting into the romance junk slightly, I'm a bit convinced that April really doesn't care for Casey in "that way". There has to be a reason why when doing something casual, she has Irma come along. lol I'm not under the impression that she just tags along to intefere, ya know?

Okay, that silliness out of the way, where do I start. I was trying to get a good look at everything in Dimension X that Tigerclaw had to fight. So I guess it means the Triceratons will be showing up. I'm looking forward to that, as I've never seen them in any visual media, 'cept for the OT and that was for one ep only in one of my all-time favorite Donatello-based eps. :lol: i also liked the Triceratons in the Mirage comics. That aside, I also noticed that part of Tigerclaw's, I think, right ear had a chunk missing. He wasn't like that before, was he? Is this going to be an onrunning gag that everytime he gets into a really serious battle, he's going to lose another part of his body?

Anyway, I loved the fight in the meat...place. That was a great fight! The stealth mode, setting him up, great! Oh and then Karai jumping in to fight and all of them hesitating to fight Tigerclaw.

I was so glad that Karai finally saw the family portrait and realized the truth. IMO, I always wondered why Leo didn't just take the photo and just show it to her himself. I felt that deep down she did feel that it could've been true, hence her asking Shredder about it, but didn't want to believe it. I know she was playing all of them, but a part of me felt that she wasn't fully acting.

After Tigerclaw took her away, I was surprised that Raph was still so doubting. As Leo pointed out, she saved them. She tehnically betrayed Shredder by fighting against Tigerclaw. Why would Raph even remotely think that Shredder would welcome her back with open arms if she fought alongside the enemy? Does he truly think that they set that up on purpose? Tigerclaw had the upperhand before and after Karai intefered. Logically, it doesn't make any sense. I guess it's going to be Raph who's going to object the most over saving Karai. I wonder what Donny and Mikey'll think. I'm so looking forward to the upcoming eps for this reason. I love Leo's situation with Karai.

Oh yeah, I loved Mikey for this episode! He was great! Thank you thank you thank you! He does have braincells! IMO, though this season he's been a bit better with that and in Wormquake I really liked him too. I also love how Mikey explained to the others how Leo had to give Karai time given how she grew up. He's so insightful when it comes to feelings (which is something I do love about him for this incarnation, and practically all others lol). I'm also curious about Mikey's condition. Loose shell? >< Ouch...

Donny was funny about how they had to check on April...oh and Casey if time permitted it. lol I still love the rivalry between him and Casey, but we all know that Donny would never literally let anything bad happen to him. lol Oh yeah, speaking of Casey, I loved how he was like, "If I wasn't about to die, this would be so cool!" lol

Okay, I'll shut up now. Now I must go nuts until the next ep. lol

[MiBs]

Just watched it. It was aaaaaaaawesome!! Have to go to a kids birthday in half an hour, so I'll be back later. That last fight scene.....damn :teek:

[ssjup81]

I'm going to watch it again. lol My work be darned. I have a lesson plan due by tomorrow and some essays to grade that's due by Tuesday. Oh well. lol

I just hope the series continues improving Mikey and have him eventually get taken seriously by the others. If it hadn't have been for Mikey, they would've never known about Tigerclaw being after them, wouldn't have found Casey, and wouldn't have fought in the meat packing place. Please show, continue with this side of Mikey. He's not annoying or bothersome when he's like this.

[kelligrafie]

This is one of those episodes that not only lives up to the hype, it surpasses it.

It addressed so many issues people have had with the show for a while now.

Mikey was taken seriously.

Karai was proven to not just be a love interest. She had a full range of emotions, she fought convincingly as her own warrior, not just a female trying to fight 'like a man'. She was someone that a little girl could look up to. I'm no feminist, but that was refreshing and enjoyable for me. And I think a lot of women/girl fans will like it for that same reason.

The fight scenes were absolutely epic.

Plus I like how they reused a lot of old locations, but mixed them with different props/camera angles to make them seem brand new?

[TurFlytle]

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag109/NostalgiaGeek/IMG_77361_zps0ba02982.png

Wow... This is a lot to take in.....

I think the humanoid at the bottom with a space helmet and visor could possibly be a Neutrino. Does this mean we could get Triceratons and Neutrinos in Season 3?

[kelligrafie]

Fun fact: The episode takes place on Tuesday 19th May, you can see it on Kirby's phone when he rings April.

The last time 19th May fell on a Tuesday was 2009.

:tcool:

[MartiusR]

Probably yes. And if you mean "noticed and mentioned about it" - there is also positive answer :)

Player hint*:
Look at the previous site. And check the spoilers :)

*Who remember, from which old Sierra's game this phrase was? :)

[MrTMNT2012]

THIS EPISODE WAS AMAZING!!! :D

That final battle with the Turtles and Tiger Claw was just brilliant. Love how every character played a role in this and Karai is now one of my favourite characters!

Tiger Claw is a f#cking BADASS, he took on the entire DIMENSION!

[ssjup81]

This is one of those episodes that not only lives up to the hype, it surpasses it.

It addressed so many issues people have had with the show for a while now.

Mikey was taken seriously.

Karai was proven to not just be a love interest. She had a full range of emotions, she fought convincingly as her own warrior, not just a female trying to fight 'like a man'. She was someone that a little girl could look up to. I'm no feminist, but that was refreshing and enjoyable for me. And I think a lot of women/girl fans will like it for that same reason.

The fight scenes were absolutely epic.

Plus I like how they reused a lot of old locations, but mixed them with different props/camera angles to make them seem brand new?I was never aware that people viewed Karai in such a way. IMO, she's always fought as her own warrior and I personally have never thought of her as being around just to be a "love interest" for Leo just like I don't feel April is around just as a "love interest" for Donny or Casey...but I admit to finding Leo possibly having a crush on Karai cute, just like I find Donny's crush on April humorous and "sadorable". I've liked Karai since she first debuted in the show because she was interesting.

As Leo sensed, there was good in her, and that made things interesting for me. She did seem to genuinely want to be friends with Leo until she felt betrayed by them.

I dunno, like I said, I just found her interesting in general given her background and that she could fight well was an added bonus. I'm surprised people actually felt the way you described about her character.

[JTH]

Just saw the episode and just I thought...
The storyboard was REAL. Eat your crow non-believers...I don't expect any apologies, I'll just say you'll believe me one of these days! :P

[ssjup81]

Just saw the episode and just I thought...
The storyboard was REAL. Eat your crow non-believers...:PSo...does that mean...that those Donny x April ones might actually be real too? I'd find it ironic.

[Vicky82]

Just saw the episode and just I thought...
The storyboard was REAL. Eat your crow non-believers...I don't expect any apologies, I'll just say you'll believe me one of these days! :P

So...does that mean...that those Donny x April ones might actually be real too? I'd find it ironic.

Yeah so Ciro was lieing when he said they were fake

I also wonder

Is the Usagi rumour real too and that Stan was lieing when he said it wasn't true

[JTH]

Yeah so Ciro was lieing when he said they were fake

I also wonder

Is the Usagi rumour real too and that Stan was lieing when he said it wasn't true
I personally don't know why people were surprised...

To me this is how it came off:
http://i615.photobucket.com/albums/tt236/Renkel76/Screenshot2014-02-13at112552AM_zps47fdad06.png
Translation: Oh crap...people saw them.

But it didn't matter to me, I knew it was coming and the episode was still awesome, it didn't kill the suspense for me at all.

[jjman65]

Did anybody see the sketch where Tiger Claw fought the Original Turtles.

[Metalwolf]

Fun fact: The episode takes place on Tuesday 19th May, you can see it on Kirby's phone when he rings April.

The last time 19th May fell on a Tuesday was 2009.

:tcool:So this episode takes place about 3 years into the past? :o

On one of the flashback picture scenes of Dimension X, it looks like that there is a Triceraton standing on and guiding a large creature that is charging into the center of the group. Just wanted to point that out ;)

And oh yeah, this episode was AWESOME! :D

[ssjup81]

Did anybody see the sketch where Tiger Claw fought the Original Turtles.I thought I was seeing things. I noticed it too.

[CyberCubed]

Did the scene at the meat factory with all the grinders remind anyone else of Mortal Kombat? Its scenes like those that remind you the hinted darkness of the series.

Imagine if Karai got splattered Mortal Kombat style?

Great episode.

[Vicky82]

Wow, this was an amazing, episode, it was brilliant. Loved the Tiger Claw vs Casey fight and the final fight with the Turtles was amazing. Mikey was brilliant in this episode he had some great ideas, he's not dumb all the time. Tiger Claw was such a badass he seems to be going insane.

Amazing moments

Loved how they showed in a flashback on how Tiger Claw returns.
80s turtles cameo (did Tiger Claw destroy them).:teek:
Return of Murakami, was wondering when he was coming back.
Poor Murakami getting attacked again.
Poor Irma getting dumped again (at first I thought she was going to get involved but no she didn't, are Nick teasing us).
Kirby's back, love the photo on his phone and the date says May 19th.
Tiger Claw vs Casey was epic, poor Casey got thrown off the roof, Ouch!
Mikey dancing on the ice was funny, then he did the Moonwalk - MICHAEL JACKSON reference.:D
Mikey having a great idea in tracking Casey.
Karai wanting to talk to April about she now believes Splinter is her father, was skeptical about this.
Leo taking Karai back to the lair, bit of a stupid move by Leo.
Karai pressing the tracking device - I actually shouted out, Karai you bitch, WTF you done!:x
Karai finally knows the truth and knows that pressing tracking device was a big mistake and knows that she has to lead him away. Love the emotion in Karai's voice, Kelly Hu did an awsome job.
Mikey having another great idea, leading Tiger Claw to the meat locker.
The turtles in stealth mode, attacking Tiger Claw was epic and loved how it was so quiet which made it intence moment.
The final fight was epic and badass and with the saw turned on it made more intence.
Karai saving the turtles lives by fighting Tiger Claw was great and wow her head was so close to that saw.
Poor Mikey, he looked hurt bad, Raph holding him was adorable.
Raph still not trusting Karai.
Shredder finding out that Karai was helping the turtles and put's her in a prison, (where have I seen this before, oh yeah! the "Fake Storyboards". Shredder is such a bastard.

I loved that the episode ended on a cliffhanger, I can't wait till the next episode, i'm glad that Pizza Face was aired before this episode.

I hope IGN gives the episode over 9.0 if it's under then i've going to find Max and spank him.

[TurFlytle]

Imagine if Karai got splattered Mortal Kombat style?

Great episode.

Then the show would be moved to Adult Swim.

[CyberCubed]

I'm glad we saw Kirby again for the first time since being back to normal. Also interesting how beat up Mikey and Casey were.

I actually wish we saw more of the scene where Tiger Claw breaks out of the worm and fights the 80's Turtles.

[NinjaPug]

Awesome episode. I hope this isn't the only episode that Yost works on.

The only bad thing is I really think Karai is going to be mutated now. Ugh.

[CyberCubed]

The only bad thing is I really think Karai is going to be mutated now. Ugh.

Most likely it'll only be for an episode or two though. If Karai is mutated I can see her being de-mutated in the finale.

[JTH]

Most likely it'll only be for an episode or two though. If Karai is mutated I can see her being de-mutated in the finale.

Karai is not going to be mutated, use common sense.
Don't flip-flop now...:lol:

[Stugehen]

Gah I love it when I finish the episode and immediately have to re-watch it cause it's THAT GOOD!

So many good things happened. They finally got off the Kraang plot and back to Shredder/Karai. No character held the limelight for too long yet they still managed to fit in a huge cast! Casey got his butt kicked and I'm okay with that since he's been a little too strong in previous episodes. I only wish that Raph wasn't so weak in this one. If this were the Mirage continuity there'd be no way he'd lose a sai to Tigerclaw (or the Mirage equivalent mutant).

They handled the meeting between Karai and Splinter so well...and seeing them all flee together gave me goosebumps. That final fight with Tigerclaw was menacing too with the saw blade constantly going right in the middle of the action. SO GOOD!

[Huzzah]

I was just curious how the OT Turtles handled the battle with Tiger Claw, probably the most hardcore fight of their existence, it probably lasted no more than a few seconds. They probably had trouble walking away.

[CyberCubed]

I was just curious how the OT Turtles handled the battle with Tiger Claw, probably the most hardcore fight of their existence, it probably lasted no more than a few seconds. They probably had trouble walking away.

Its possible after he burst out of the worm he just quickly jumped away and didn't even fight them, the Turtles were probably too distracted fighting the worm and killing it.

[Stugehen]

Did anyone else bust a gut laughing when Casey confused Splinter for Irma? I don't think I've laughed at a joke harder all season!

[TigerClaw]

Finally watched this episode, I thought it was great, Nice to see Tiger Claw back, The fight scenes were really good on this one. And looks like we'll see more of him on the next episode. :)

[Jon_Talbain]

Wow, I really loved this episode. Seeing Karai fight alongside the turtles was epic. And Tiger Claw is just a beast lol. Tiger Claw doesn't care what the odds are, he fights regardless. I was hoping that Splinter would go with the turtles and Karai to fight Tiger Claw.

[Stugehen]

Wow, I really loved this episode. Seeing Karai fight alongside the turtles was epic. And Tiger Claw is just a beast lol. Tiger Claw doesn't care what the odds are, he fights regardless. I was hoping that Splinter would go with the turtles and Karai to fight Tiger Claw.

Actually I think Tiger Claw does care about the odds....

He was seemingly kicking butt against the TMNT but once he saw Karai switch sides he used her as a hostage to get away.

[Jon_Talbain]

Actually I think Tiger Claw does care about the odds....

He was seemingly kicking butt against the TMNT but once he saw Karai switch sides he used her as a hostage to get away.

It could just be how the show is written though. Tiger Claw could have killed her and Mikey, but Nick usually just has certain deadly characters throw someone when they could impale them. Why would Tiger Claw throw Mikey when he could have impaled him with the sword? And Tiger Claw finds a way to get the upper hand, even if it means taking a hostage.

[ssjup81]

Actually I think Tiger Claw does care about the odds....

He was seemingly kicking butt against the TMNT but once he saw Karai switch sides he used her as a hostage to get away.But the odds were all in his favor before and after Karai got involved.

[OrangeNinja1987]

This episode was incredible! It totally makes up for Pizza Face, which, in my opinion, is the second worst episode.
So many fight scenes, and the action was incredible. Tigerclaw is really growing on me! I only wish we got more detail of the 80's turtles fighting him. I hope they're okay! :tcry:
I'm hoping the 80's turtles come back in a future episode. You can't contain their awesomeness in a cameo!
Mikey was hilarious this episode - not annoying or useless, either. He actually knew how to track Casey and that amazed me! This proves that with good writing he can be funny and goofy but still not stupid. Loved it when he talked with his mouth full and gave a big, inspirational speech. So sad he got hurt.
Karai was perfect this episode. I found it funny that Shredder was like,"Yup, Splinter's your dad - PRISON FOR YOU!" (someone else wrote that earlier and it made me laugh).
Jason Biggs is back! All of the rumors were wrong! Yay! :D
Season 2 is having a great success. Only 2 episodes I've hated this season (The Kraang Conspiracy and Pizza Face), but of course I don't think I hated ANY season 1 episodes, even if some where way better than others.
I have a feeling the rest of the episodes of season 2 will retain this level of intensity and that the finale will be a big one. Can't wait!

[Stugehen]

It could just be how the show is written though. Tiger Claw could have killed her and Mikey, but Nick usually just has certain deadly characters throw someone when they could impale them. Why would Tiger Claw throw Mikey when he could have impaled him with the sword? And Tiger Claw finds a way to get the upper hand, even if it means taking a hostage.

But the odds were all in his favor before and after Karai got involved.

I see your points...but why run away then? Any other reason than this is a show on Nick and they didn't want to kill off the main characters?

[Stugehen]

Only 2 episodes I've hated this season (The Kraang Conspiracy and Pizza Face)

Aw man, April Derp is one of my favorites!

[ssjup81]

I see your points...but why run away then? Any other reason than this is a show on Nick and they didn't want to kill off the main characters?That's the only reason I can think of...well, that and the fact that Shredder would've probably slashed his other eye or something if he'd killed Karai. Anyway, the same goes for his fight with Casey. He had a vendetta against him and April. He didn't "finish the job" or check on his status or anything. He left Casey.

If this had a higher rating I'm sure both Casey and Mikey would've come out of their fights a whole lot worse.

[ssjup81]

Aw man, April Derp is one of my favorites!I didn't mind those eps either. With Pizzaface, I still say it was a dream...and imo, I feel it implies Mikey has a slight dark side.

[BabyTurtles]

people have already said it but...Ciro you liar!!! :x those storyboards were real!! welp I guess I better brace myself for the next one.

I just loved this episode!!

one nitpick I had was Mikey getting hurt toward the end...all of them were thrown around, so why was Mikey the one all bruised up?? If they want us to believe Mikey got really hurt, Tigerclaws should hurt him really bad.

but other than that ^_^ it was awesome cakes!!!

[JTH]

people have already said it but...Ciro you liar!!! :x those storyboards were real!! welp I guess I better brace myself for the next one.
Yeah, you can say I was right at any point. Take your time... :D

[MCLeo28]

When the plot was released for each of the next 4 episodes, I felt it was pretty obvious the storyboards were real considering the Turtles have to rescue Karai.

[MiBs]

people have already said it but...Ciro you liar!!!

Why are people so shocked about that? Of course he wouldn't admit that they where real and spoil big time

[Jon_Talbain]

I see your points...but why run away then? Any other reason than this is a show on Nick and they didn't want to kill off the main characters?

Shredder told Tiger Claw and Karai to destroy the turtles under any means necessary. With Tiger Claw throwing Mikey when he had a chance to kill him, it just seems like it is in the writing itself. Tiger Claw was more than capable to at least kill one of the turtles in that fight, but still didn't. It is just plot armor for the turtles and not wanting the show to get too dark probably.

When Karai betrayed Tiger Claw and Shredder, Tiger Claw most likely wanted to get her to Shredder to see what fate lies in store for her. If Tiger Claw had taken things into his own hands, he may have thrown Karai to her death. Tiger Claw had to fight through multiple dimensions and seems to have tons of rage towards the turtles and wanting revenge. So if he had the opportunity to kill any of the turtles, he most likely would do it without a second thought. Then again, the writing changes that to protect the turtles.

[Turtle-X]

awesome episode. but it does beg the question of what now for Karai. does she continue to struggle with the truth? fight against Shredder on her own or join the Turtles.

and if she is mutated i hope that doesn't last long.

[BabyTurtles]

Yeah, you can say I was right at any point. Take your time... :D

fine you were right >:U I'm still hoping the second one is some kinda dream sequence for Donnie.

[blue_angel99]

OH MY GLOB!!! What an EPIC episode!!!!! Had a perfect blend of drama/comedy/action!!!...almost worth the wait.

I was tense the entire time, not sure what was going to happen next. For a moment I thought Tiger Claw had iced Mr. Murigami....sigh

Should have known better than to let Mikey pick a battle place. A BUTCHER SHOP?!? He if wasn't already KO'd....grrrr

Relieved that Karai knows the truth, but now...gulp

IT'S RESCUE MISSION TIME!!!

[ssjup81]

I wonder why Mikey picked such a place. Do you think that maybe the implication was that the turtles were fighting to kill this time? For instance, Mikey probably could've chained up Tigerclaw from another part of the room, not necessarily by the saw. It also seemed that Mikey was pulling him towards it before Leo accidentally cut the chain.

So, am I the only one making this darker than need be?

[BabyTurtles]

I wonder why Mikey picked such a place. Do you think that maybe the implication was that the turtles were fighting to kill this time? For instance, Mikey probably could've chained up Tigerclaw from another part of the room, not necessarily by the saw. It also seemed that Mikey was pulling him towards it before Leo accidentally cut the chain.

So, am I the only one making this darker than need be?

Mikey picked a meat locker because Tigerclaws wouldn't be able to smell them in there. (and he couldn't)

it was a very smart idea ^_^

also....Mikey did almost stab Bradford with his Kusarigama once.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/4dd4baaa54b10a1cb6a6c7c3ff3ddd4c/tumblr_mgvwr9xTcp1r31iq3o1_500.gif

[Ninjinister]

Aw man, April Derp is one of my favorites!

April Derp is the best character in anything, period.

[LivingMutagen]

I wonder why Mikey picked such a place. Do you think that maybe the implication was that the turtles were fighting to kill this time? For instance, Mikey probably could've chained up Tigerclaw from another part of the room, not necessarily by the saw. It also seemed that Mikey was pulling him towards it before Leo accidentally cut the chain.

So, am I the only one making this darker than need be?

The meat made Tiger Claw unable to smell the Turtles. That's all.

[ssjup81]

Mikey picked a meat locker because Tigerclaws wouldn't be able to smell them in there. (and he couldn't)

it was a very smart idea ^_^

also....Mikey did almost stab Bradford with his Kusarigama once.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/4dd4baaa54b10a1cb6a6c7c3ff3ddd4c/tumblr_mgvwr9xTcp1r31iq3o1_500.gifI meant other than that. Just felt that they were going to fight to kill this time. You know, two birds with one stone.

I also forgot about that part with Bradford.

[Metalwolf]

I was tense the entire time, not sure what was going to happen next. For a moment I thought Tiger Claw had iced Mr. Murigami....sigh

That's what I thought too when Tigerclaw unsheathed his claws like that, it looked to me like he was honestly going to kill him. Especially when we see Mr. Murigami next and he's lying on the ground, I thought, 'Now they are going to come across a corpse."

[BabyTurtles]

I meant other than that. Just felt that they were going to fight to kill this time. You know, two birds with one stone.

I also forgot about that part with Bradford.

IDK.....maybe they were, have they ever said that they don't kill?? :-?

I expect heroes not to kill....but these guys seem to have tried a few times...

[ObiWanFan4life]

IDK.....maybe they were, have they ever said that they don't kill?? :-?

I expect heroes not to kill....but these guys seem to have tried a few times...

Well, doctor who has done the same thing with a few of his enemies.

[Leofan26]

Pretty cool episode, just wish they'd lay low on Mikey's humor during these type of episodes but hey at least he wasn't useless and thought up some good ideas here. If only the writers could keep up the consistence writing like this for Mikey I'd like the guy a lot more.

Action was pretty awesome! Tiger Claw is one of my favorite villains :D

Liked how every one got to fight, poor Mikey got hurt pretty bad though, ouch!

Karai's always been one of my favorites since the 2003 series, she still is :D

Will she join the turtles or not? That is the question. Raph of turtles I can see having trouble trusting her the most. For Donnie it will take a while hey'll come around though sooner or later. I have a feeling Mikey will be ok with her joining, depends how things end up by the end of this arc but Leo's been trying to get her to join since they first ran into each other so I'd say he'd be more than willingly to accept her into the group :lol:

Over all, one of my favorites. Wonder if Leo will have an easier time talking the guy's into letting them help her??? Raph like I said will still be having a tough time with this idea for a while as will Donnie but...Guess will see :D

[ssjup81]

Pretty cool episode, just wish they'd lay low on Mikey's humor during these type of episodes but hey at least he wasn't useless and thought up some good ideas here. If only the writers could keep up the consistence writing like this for Mikey I'd like the guy a lot more.

Action was pretty awesome! Tiger Claw is one of my favorite villains :D

Liked how every one got to fight, poor Mikey got hurt pretty bad though, ouch!

Karai's always been one of my favorites since the 2003 series, she still is :D

Will she join the turtles or not? That is the question. Raph of turtles I can see having trouble trusting her the most. For Donnie it will take a while hey'll come around though sooner or later. I have a feeling Mikey will be ok with her joining, depends how things end up by the end of this arc but Leo's been trying to get her to join since they first ran into each other so I'd say he'd be more than willingly to accept her into the group :lol:

Over all, one of my favorites. Wonder if Leo will have an easier time talking the guy's into letting them help her??? Raph like I said will still be having a tough time with this idea for a while as will Donnie but...Guess will see :DMaybe Donnie won't be that difficult to persuade. He is logical and Karai did save them. She fought with them and also prevented Tigerclaw from discovering their lair. I think he'd take that into consideration.

Mikey will probably trust Leo's judgment...unless the writers throw us a curveball and have him side with Raph.

Honestly, the only one I could see having a problem with it is Raph.

[ssjup81]

IDK.....maybe they were, have they ever said that they don't kill?? :-?

I expect heroes not to kill....but these guys seem to have tried a few times...I don't think they have said that they kill, but they sure do avoid it generally.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Positives:
- I like how Mikey is written in this episode. He's zany, but not a complete idiot.

- I like how the fight scenes were handled with a sense of seriousness.

- The writing is evenly mixed with humour, action and drama.

Negatives/Nitpicks:
- Why is it that in most action cartoons, the Villain(s) says that they're going to destroy the hero(es) instead of killing them?

- How did Casey manage to survive falling from that building without breaking any major bones?

- Why does Leonardo automatically believe Karai when she tells him, Donatello and April about Splinter being her father?

Overall, a very strong episode. 9/10

[NoName999]

Nick promote Chris Yost to head writer NOW!:thyper:

This was an amazing episode. Mikey managed to get his chance to show he's actually competent. Hell, wasn't it him who came up with the idea to lead Tiger Claw into a meatlocker. Also Casey managed to strut his stuff.

[ssjup81]

- How did Casey manage to survive falling from that building without breaking any major bones?Maybe because it wasn't a direct drop? The trash bin broke his fall, so it softened the blow. Oh a positive...he lost the fight. I was glad for that. He's been a bit too good when fighting, imo.- Why does Leonardo automatically believe Karai when she tells him, Donatello and April about Splinter being her father?He was probably going with his instincts and was being hopeful. Wish Donnie could've voiced his real opinion as opposed to going along with April's intuition.

[MiBs]

Why does Leonardo automatically believe Karai when she tells him, Donatello and April about Splinter being her father?

Because he wants to believe her. He have wanted her to join their side from day one.

I really like that Raph is still very suspicious about her, even after Tigerclaw takes away with her. It seems very true to his nature and adds extra tension to the situation. There's going to be some huge arguments when Leo wants to go save her in "The Legend of the Kuro Kabuto" and "Vengeance is Mine

[JTH]

The Wrath of Tiger Claw IGN Review:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/08/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-the-wrath-of-tiger-claw-review

[Vicky82]

Only 8.5 :-? Max needs a spanking.

[TurtleTitan97]

Such an awesome episode. Turtles & Karai Vs. Tigerclaw was so cool. Poor Mikey, though.

Can't wait for the next one!:D

[Xiewin]

Best episode yet, can't wait for the next one

[Metalwolf]

Nick promote Chris Yost to head writer NOW!:thyper:

Agreed. If this is what his writing is typically like, then they need to do it now. His writing is just awesome! :D

[Aaronardo]

Its possible after he burst out of the worm he just quickly jumped away and didn't even fight them, the Turtles were probably too distracted fighting the worm and killing it.

Watch the episode again. The very first picture that comes up when Tiger Claw is describing how he came back shows him battling the OT Turtles (with Donatello and Michelangelo on their backs).

[NoName999]

Well at least Turtles Forever shown the 80s TMNT as competent fighters instead of being one shot in a still

[VaughnMichael]

I loved this episode!
It was seriously so good!
I was so glad they explained how Tigerclaw got back even though I do wish it had been animated.
I understand they probably couldn't have though with everything else they squeezed into the episode though.
And boy everything else they squeezed in was great!
My boyfriend isn't the biggest fan of TMNT but he knows I love it and sort of half watches the show with me and this episode held his attention through the entire thing.
I have to go back and talk about those images which I believe are by Ciro?
Man we see the 80's turtles again!, new aliens, Triceratons!!, and maybe a Neutrino!, and a creature that looks quite a bit like it could be Tokka!
I have to say I really love how this series can go from extremely silly with Pizzaface and then toss a darker episode in right after.
I also really loved the meat locker fight it, it reminded me of a horror movie.
Also tricky tricky Ciro!! When I saw the end my jaw dropped and I gasped "Those story boards are real!" haha
I've got to give this episode a 10! Bring the guy back who wrote this one and have him do a bunch more! Awesome stuff!

I can't wait for next week with Fishface and the rest!:D

[MikeandRaph87]

While it was an overall great characterization driven episode I was surprised it was not touched on how Tiger Claw was able to return from inside the worm in the 1987 cartoon dimension. I was hoping for more involvement of the '87 cartoon turtles.

Its much earlier in the series than I expected for Karai to be confronted with the truth and accept it. It seems like something that would have taken place early in the last season so its going to be interesting where Karai's character will be taken. There is always her joining Slash as an anti-hero.

[NinjaPug]

I can't shake the feeling that Karai is going to be mutated and the ooze will cause her to be "brainwashed" and blame the Turtles / Splinter. I just don't see them having Karai as an ally so soon.

[ssjup81]

I can't shake the feeling that Karai is going to be mutated and the ooze will cause her to be "brainwashed" and blame the Turtles / Splinter. I just don't see them having Karai as an ally so soon.Ah, i would hate that to happen. It'll be like Mutagen Man and how he lost it and turned on the Turtles since he wasn't in his right mind.

But...if this does happen, I hope that the turtles witness the mutation process when trying to rescue her and then failing so that they know that she's just an innocent victim in all of this. Could you imagine Leo in that type of situation?

[Aaronardo]

While it was an overall great characterization driven episode I was surprised it was not touched on how Tiger Claw was able to return from inside the worm in the 1987 cartoon dimension. I was hoping for more involvement of the '87 cartoon turtles.

Watch the episode again. The very first picture that comes up when Tiger Claw is describing how he came back shows him battling the OT Turtles (with Donatello and Michelangelo on their backs).
too short.

[blindturtle02]

I loved this one. Always great to see TigerClaw. I love cats. What can I say? He's one of my favorite villains. He's very vicious, even going as far as beating up on a blind guy. I like how merciless he can be. Hoping Murakami decides to learn a bit of self defense soon. Maybe next time when his shop is besieged, he should try going for his opponents' eyes. Sure, kids show, won't happen, yada yada yada. Speaking of lost eyes, wondering if TC will consider getting a cybernetic replacement one of these days. Cubed mentioned MK and I couldn't help but think of Kano. haha

Not much to add here. Really liked the fight scenes in this episode and loved Kelly Hu's performance. She's always fantastic. Can't wait to see the next three episodes. Man, Shredder is being as ruthless as I imagined him to be concerning Karai so far.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Really loved this episode. It got back into the plot, but better than they've done previously. It was dark, moving, and character driven. Something I think we've had this season. Also, great artistic visuals, especially in the fight scenes.

Potentially my favorite so far this season. Really enjoyed it, and I'm excited to see where this goes.

[Chris_a_Bunga]

AWESOME EPISODE. Might not be, but the hanging meat scene TOTALLY felt like a Predator 2 homage. That whole fight was great.

[Machias Banshee]

This was Fantastic...

After so many side-stories of the Kraang and the different mutants each week, this has been such a refreshing change. The writing team should really pat themselves on the back for this. The pacing was great, the quick backstory to Tiger Claw's return from Dimension X was really good with the flashback style that they use - I love the simple colorscheme on those. :)

Karai really felt like a three-dimensional character in this. She went through So many different emotions when she found out the truth from Splinter. Sadly, as much as she knows the truth now, I don't think they'll be able to really repair that relationship. She's been brainwashed into her way of life for so long, there's just some damage that can't be repaired. :(

The choreography in the slaughterhouse meatlocker was amazing. When the saw turned on, I Really thought they were going to USE it, considering the amount of Horror influences in the show. The suspense and the end result of the battle was incredible.

It was nice to see Mikey useful in this episode. The ice skating silliness alright, but dang... poor kid. How one would get his shell knocked loose is beyond me though. :ohwell: I'm curious if Mikey's gonna be out of commission in next week's episode, or if he'll be magically healed within a week or something.


I'm looking forward to next week - I'm definitely going to watch this episode again. There's bound to be stuff we missed in the first watching... :)

[snake]

Just saw this episode. Wow. Best of season 2 by far, the loved how serious it was. Namedropping the Rat King was pretty cool too.


But the real winner in this episode? That badass meat locker scene. It felt so good watching a serious episode of the show, especially after Pizzaface.


10/10

[nimajneb]

Great episode, looks like it setting up the rest of the season
Shredder showdown!

[MiBs]

But the real winner in this episode? That badass meat locker scene

That scene was just pure gold! The choreography, the fighting, the stealth mode - especially Don and Mikey standing behind the swinging carcasses and then disappearing - there where so many cool details. And Karai really showing some skills as well


EDIT:

Nick promote Chris Yost to head writer NOW!:thyper:

Agreed. If this is what his writing is typically like, then they need to do it now. His writing is just awesome! :D

I guess it makes sense if he's onboard for at least the other episodes in that arc. I hope he is, that was some good writing

[Zulithe]

I'm glad most people seem to really like the episode, as I did...

Looks like that of the 3 episodes coming up (all in a row, yay!) 2 will be 'story' type episodes and 1 will be filler/contained.

[Cure]

This episode was a club banger, damn.

[CyberCubed]

I think the reason people like Tiger Claw is he's not a mindless monster mutant and he has an actual character. He would have fit in with the old-style mutants.

[snake]

That scene was just pure gold! The choreography, the fighting, the stealth mode - especially Don and Mikey standing behind the swinging carcasses and then disappearing - there where so many cool details. And Karai really showing some skills as well


EDIT:





I guess it makes sense if he's onboard for at least the other episodes in that arc. I hope he is, that was some good writing
When Donnie disappeared (and the rest of the stealthy parts of that scene) I got a very Mirage comics like vibe from it.

[Raph's Girl]

Anybody else catch the Archie reference?? Casey refered to Tiger Claw as Cat Man Dude. Katmandu was a character in the Archie books. He was a 4 armed Samurai Tiger the turtles encountered in China.

[pennydreadful]

Just watched it... hell to the yes, that was AWESOME!

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NickCasey's still an unbelievable asshat though - Irma, nasty? Seriously?

But god that episode was good eatin'. :D

[Donatello19]

Finally got around to watching it, and it's definitely the best of S2 yet.

First let's talk about Karai...she has quickly become one of my favorite characters on the show. This episode was her best role yet...she went through a lot of different emotions and showed a whole new side of herself. I agree with some others have said in this thread, in that she is becoming/is a good female role model. I can't wait to see her again and what she'll decide to do with herself. Favorite moment with her was when she realizes that Splinter is actually her real father and kinda freaks out because she set them up, thinking that Splinter was the enemy still. Karai is my second favorite character now.

So...it's turns out the storyboards were real after all, and I'm glad they were, because the scene where they literally just lock her up and leave her in there all alone is pretty dark. That scene was awesome and I can't wait to see how she'll get out of there. So if this storyboard was real, I guess the Apriltello one is, too...not sure what to think of that, really. I don't hate it but I don't love it either.

Tiger Claw was awesome, a really great villain if you ask me.

80's TMNT cameo was cool.

Mikey was actually useful in this episode! Both plans he came up with worked, and the one to lead TC to the meat locker so he wouldn't be able to follow their scent was very smart of Mikey to think of.

Speaking of...the meat locker fight scene. That was just epic and words cannot describe how cool it was.

Poor Irma...I wonder if they'll ever tell her about the turtles?

It's little touches like showing Kirby briefly and having them at Murakami's again that made this episode even more cool.

So if you couldn't have guessed, I loved this episode and will re-watch it many times. Excited for all the upcoming episodes except Plan 10...but it will be a small price to pay for two more awesome Karai/Foot oriented episodes.

[pennydreadful]

That's what I thought too when Tigerclaw unsheathed his claws like that, it looked to me like he was honestly going to kill him. Especially when we see Mr. Murigami next and he's lying on the ground, I thought, 'Now they are going to come across a corpse."

Totes - Tigerclaw is a force to be reckoned with; he leaves the rest of Shredder's henchmen in the dust, IMO.

- Why is it that in most action cartoons, the Villain(s) says that they're going to destroy the hero(es) instead of killing them?

I think that's something that they have to do for censorship reasons.

First let's talk about Karai...she has quickly become one of my favorite characters on the show. This episode was her best role yet...she went through a lot of different emotions and showed a whole new side of herself. I agree with some others have said in this thread, in that she is becoming/is a good female role model. I can't wait to see her again and what she'll decide to do with herself. Favorite moment with her was when she realizes that Splinter is actually her real father and kinda freaks out because she set them up, thinking that Splinter was the enemy still. Karai is my second favorite character now.

This episode was magnificent, definitely one of the best for the whole season. I loved having a non-kraang/mutant-of-the-week episode, and I'd totally been hanging for some more Karai action. Funnily enough I hated Karai the first time I watched Season 1 - I felt like they'd just put her in so that April would have a girl character to fight. But after rewatching, she's one of my favourite characters - I really like the development that they've put into her, her emotions and motivations and personality.

Her conflict in this episode was terrific, and it was really sweet to see her standing there looking Splinter in the eye, for the first time realising the truth - and realising all the mistakes she had made, what had been taken from her, and that her whole life up until this point had been a lie.

I also think that it's realistic for Raph to still not trust her yet - I think that he will warm to her eventually but it's not in his nature to automatically trust someone who's tangled with them so many times in the past.

Last but certainly not least, April was much less annoying in this episode - it was good to see her doing normal stuff like going to a movie... though I think the way she and Casey treat Irma is pretty mean. If someone was constantly running off and ditching me when we hung out, I just wouldn't want to be friends with them at all - so I hope they start treating her a bit better sooner rather than later.

Overall - plus one episode of awesome! :D

[MCLeo28]

Wow, just wow, I must say, this episode had to be one of the best episodes of TMNT 2012 so far. I really enjoyed the beginning involving an internal conflict with Karai where she starts having doubts about Shredder, but still remains loyal to Shredder. Tiger Claw's return was certainly the best part of this episode and I was hooked with how he actually got back and also interesting that he lost his eyeball when fighting a Giant Eyeball Mutant (how ironic?).

The action of this episode was great. Was nice to see Casey Jones fighting Tiger Claw and actually fighting intelligently instead of being reckless. Tiger Claw vs. Turtles was really well done, however, I felt Tiger Claw was unusually powerful. I understand him going through multiple dimensions, but in Wormquake, he could only fend off Leonardo, and now, he can suddenly fend off all 4 of the Turtles? That was one issue, but then again, this also means Tiger Claw is one of the only mutants that are threatening to the turtles and that's a major plus.

Karai's development was strong as we witness Karai's change of motions and how emotionally impacted she is after Shredder confesses that Splinter is her true father, and seeing her helpless as Tiger Claw and Shredder just leave her in jail. Such a dark scene. It's still nice to see that after all of Karai's suffering and willingness to save them against Tiger Claw that Raphael still doesn't trust her, which is understandable and she deceived them and allowed Tiger Claw to find them as well as her causing them trouble in the past.

Overall, definitely a great episode. I'm seeing a nerf to Tiger Claw in the future since Fishface and Rahzar are showing up and no way the Turtles can fight all 3 of them if Tiger Claw is OP as he is.

[drgon78]

Great episode , loved that Mikey was useful, loved seeing April, Irma, and Casey coming out of the movie theatre, Tiger Claw is a dangerous enemy.

[snake]

D-Did Tigerclaw kill the OT turtles? :teek:

[Powder]

Had trouble falling back asleep after this one, got my adrenaline flowing! What a good episode. Interesting to see that the storyboards were authentic. The fact Shredder had one mutant left to plan out and make happen, and that he now has Karai captive, gives some potential credit to the rumor she'd get mutated.

I'm betting she becomes Venus temporarily. Shredder might be on some "Yo you like turtles so much why don't you be one?" type ish, plus there's the angle that she's the turtles' sister. I could see Donnie making more retro-mutagen but only having so much, which prompts Splinter to give up his potential humanity so that his daughter can go back to normal, and that's how they'll forge a bond.

[snake]

Had trouble falling back asleep after this one, got my adrenaline flowing! What a good episode. Interesting to see that the storyboards were authentic. The fact Shredder had one mutant left to plan out and make happen, and that he now has Karai captive, gives some potential credit to the rumor she'd get mutated.

I'm betting she becomes Venus temporarily. Shredder might be on some "Yo you like turtles so much why don't you be one?" type ish, plus there's the angle that she's the turtles' sister. I could see Donnie making more retro-mutagen but only having so much, which prompts Splinter to give up his potential humanity so that his daughter can go back to normal, and that's how they'll forge a bond.

That would be the best way to do Venus. But if Karai mutates into Venus and even if its well done in a way like that, I expect that this whole forum will go up in arms.

[Cipher]

That would be the best way to do Venus. But if Karai mutates into Venus and even if its well done in a way like, I expect that this whole forum will go up in arms.
No way. I'm going to go ahead and say that, if the plan is for Karai to mutate, that's the best possible way to do it, and the homage would play on multiple elements at once. Hope it happens.

Also, that episode. Damn, man.

And that fight scene was a top-fiver in the history of multimedia TMNT.

[TigerClaw]

Here's Black Nerd's review of The Wrath of Tiger Claw

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[ssjup81]

No way. I'm going to go ahead and say that, if the plan is for Karai to mutate, that's the best possible way to do it, and the homage would play on multiple elements at once. Hope it happens.

Also, that episode. Damn, man.I hope she doesn't get mutated into a turtle because of the fandom's hatred towards Venus. I'm one of the rare who liked the concept of Venus, but even I don't think it should be done here.

[blindturtle02]

I hope she doesn't get mutated into a turtle because of the fandom's hatred towards Venus. I'm one of the rare who liked the concept of Venus, but even I don't think it should be done here.

I liked Venus back in the day. I wasn't too thrilled with the guys not being brothers in Next Mutation, but Venus never got on my nerves or anything. I agree, hope Karai doesn't turn out to be Venus. I'd like to see some original female mutants. If she does mutate, I hope she's one of these. Guess time will tell.

Mikey's shell got knocked loose in this episode, and this one took place before Pizzaface chronologically, right? So even though that episode wasn't a dream, guess he healed up pretty quick! That guy would risk life and limb to protect pizza and pizza consumers, though. Still, the knocked loose shell thing has to hurt.

[BabyTurtles]

Mikey's shell got knocked loose in this episode, and this one took place before Pizzaface chronologically, right? So even though that episode wasn't a dream, guess he healed up pretty quick! That guy would risk life and limb to protect pizza and pizza consumers, though. Still, the knocked loose shell thing has to hurt.

oh so...maybe he was healing after the battle and had that trippy pizza dream?

[victory_angel]

Had trouble falling back asleep after this one, got my adrenaline flowing! What a good episode. Interesting to see that the storyboards were authentic. The fact Shredder had one mutant left to plan out and make happen, and that he now has Karai captive, gives some potential credit to the rumor she'd get mutated.

I'm betting she becomes Venus temporarily. Shredder might be on some "Yo you like turtles so much why don't you be one?" type ish, plus there's the angle that she's the turtles' sister. I could see Donnie making more retro-mutagen but only having so much, which prompts Splinter to give up his potential humanity so that his daughter can go back to normal, and that's how they'll forge a bond.

Donnie has always been the most loyal to Leonardo. I know he said he trusted April's judgment over Leo's, and we all know April has been gullible before. But when Leo said they were taking Karai to the Lair even Donnie had his trepidation about the issue, even though it was mostly because Raph would be up in arms about it. After all the other Turtles have no reason to really trust Karai. With Raph it's mostly because she's with the Foot and Kunoichi are trained to deceive and seduce their opponents. So any one who is a Foot is in the Foot for life in his book.

Donnie is hesitant to trust Karai because she has tried to kill April in the past. And even if she is Splinter's daughter, that is still something he will never truly forgive her for.

I don't know if Leo really saw Karai as a love interest. I mean yeah he may have seen or sensed something familiar in her but couldn't place it other then the fact there was something that made her seem different from the rest of the Foot Clan. And now that he knows Karai is their sister, he wants to save her from the Foot because she's Splinter's daughter, not because he sees her as a girl friend.

It would have been better judgement on Leo's part to say "Karai, there is something you should see." And then leaving Donnie and April with Karai. Or maybe even sending April to go retrieve the said picture of Hamato Yoshi and Teng Shen holding of Miwa as a baby.

But then again, even if her intent was to play them. Karai did need to discover the truth for herself.

As for Karai's mutation. Well even Donnie wouldn't wish such a thing on his worst enemy. Splinter has stated he's content be who he is and that the world outside the lair holds nothing for him. So I think Donnie would offer the possibility of restoring her humanity simply because she is Splinter's daughter.

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

I think my favorite part of the episode was that beautifully animated scene of Karai walking into the dojo and looking up at the tree. Great little detail there.

[kolaida]

Now I know, thank you, MCLeo28 :)

Anyway, this episode was great, loved the meat locker scene, looked like something straight out of a horror movie. The fight was awesome, especially loved the Karai bits. Thought it was silly of Leo to bring her to the lair, but I know he really wanted to believe and that clouds judgement. Glad Raph is sticking to his guns about not trusting her, very Raph of him ( and kinda common sense, lol).

Loved the Mikey bits and glad it's illustrated that a person can be fun and silly and still have good ideas.

Favorite part was when Karai saw the pics and realized Leo had been telling her the truth and that Shredder had been lying. Loved that scene in the Lair with the tree, Splinter, and just the truth finally really hitting her.

[MCLeo28]

^ Production codes indicates that.

@TurtleTron

I also liked that detail. Makes for a more "emotional" response when she discovered the truth for herself.

Edit: Also, in the next episode's preview, Fishface said, "I believe you have something we need." I'm just going to make a wild guess that the Foot believes the Turtles stole The Shredder's helmet, so it leads to a pointless clash. At least, that's what I'm thinking.

[Refractive Reflections]

You see Nick... :P ...when you stick with the plotlines and focus on the characters, the reception is far better. But you've teased us too many times before when you give the appearance this is the direction you want to lead us to ("Follow the Leader", "Slash and Destroy"), but then disappoint us with your plot amnesia (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1262773#post1262773), Mutants of the Week, and the Donnie/April/Casey love triangle.

I'm glad we saw Kirby again for the first time since being back to normal. Also interesting how beat up Mikey and Casey were.

I actually wish we saw more of the scene where Tiger Claw breaks out of the worm and fights the 80's Turtles.

I was just curious how the OT Turtles handled the battle with Tiger Claw, probably the most hardcore fight of their existence, it probably lasted no more than a few seconds. They probably had trouble walking away.

D-Did Tigerclaw kill the OT turtles? :teek:

As for the 80s Turtles, they've handled worse in the Red Sky seasons, especially with Dregg, and in Turtles Forever with Ch'rell, so I don't think they died. Otherwise they would have made it far more explicit like TigerClaw did with the Kraang armies where he was depicted in just before decapitating the soldiers of the army in those flashback scenes with his sword. In fact, Nick Mikey was more beaten up than OT Michelangelo, and Nick Mikey survived, so if that interpretation means anything... **shrug**

As much as we would have wanted to see the detail of TigerClaw going through the OT world, I highly doubt the production staff could do that considering the animation restrictions and legwork of continuing the OT cameo.

I have to say though that bringing back TigerClaw so soon within the series, 5 episodes later, doesn't really put a lot of weight into the arduous difficult journey he made. Then again, we are dealing with dimensional travel so who knows... Nevertheless, it came across as somewhat of a plot hole where they had to use flashback images rather than giving more detail unto how exactly TigerClaw made it back in dimension hoping, just so they can bring this ruthless character back... using a deus ex machina explanation. ...Then again, it could provide some mystique to the whole dimension hoping aspect of this series. Um... speaking of which, will the Nick Technodrome ever come back? :lol:

...But at minimum they did consider the path of TigerClaw's journey (the Kraathatrogon in the OT universe) rather than leaving an inexplicable development, such as in how Slash and Raph's other brothers seemed to oddly be reconciled to one other. So Kudos for that at least for the show remembering that detail.

And please Nick TMNT, no more 80s Turtles cameos... the show needs to develop more of its own universe far more.

This was Fantastic...

After so many side-stories of the Kraang and the different mutants each week, this has been such a refreshing change. The writing team should really pat themselves on the back for this. The pacing was great, the quick backstory to Tiger Claw's return from Dimension X was really good with the flashback style that they use - I love the simple colorscheme on those. :)

Karai really felt like a three-dimensional character in this. She went through So many different emotions when she found out the truth from Splinter. Sadly, as much as she knows the truth now, I don't think they'll be able to really repair that relationship. She's been brainwashed into her way of life for so long, there's just some damage that can't be repaired. :(

I think my favorite part of the episode was that beautifully animated scene of Karai walking into the dojo and looking up at the tree. Great little detail there.

Karai's character was finally expanded on and I have to congratulate Nick on that. I enjoyed how deceptively convincing Karai was to the Turtles and even to audience in assuming she believed that she was Miwa. It was a great twist. I was captivated with the scene when she walked into the dojo and the revelations about the truth of her father. Her initial slight guilt in entering the dojo, the wonder and warmth of the tree, the shocking revelations of the truth with her facial movements, etc. The effort on this life-changing development for Karai was clearly shown here and it worked as I found myself going back and back to that particular scene.

..But there's still the awkward situation of Karai being Leo's sister, right? So how will Nick handle that weirdness if they even bother at all with it? :lol:


It was nice to see Mikey having some, or should I say a bit of redeeming brains after the past few episodes just dragged his intelligence into the sewer, so to speak. But I won't be surprised if they regress back to Nick Mikey doing dumb things, saying dumb things, and acting disgusting as their crutch of humor.

And yes jth, celebrate your correct prediction. :lol: But you can't blame our skepticism considering how wild things can be on the internet. :P
Which brings up the whole Apriltello scene... Is it true? If it is, will it elevate into anything beyond a dream sequence as some have wondered? Who knows, but nevertheless I really wish that whole crush thing was diminished. It's getting old.


Probably the most significant flaw I saw with this episode, was TigerClaw's hate logic. With so much overwhelming fury toward the Turtles and wanting to destroy all the Turtles were associated with (April and Casey), I don't understand why he wouldn't kill Casey when he would be seen as useless pawn in getting to the Turtles, when TigerClaw was already ready and willing to kill the Turtles and wanting to destroy all those who are close to them. In actuality, I know the production staff wouldn't kill off Casey Jones because it's a kids cartoon, but this show has been known to overstep its own logic for melodrama sake. One notable example was when the Foot-Bots in "Target: April O' Neil" could supposedly learn every single move the Turtles could make, but then that established development goes down the drain 2-3 episodes later when they can easily defeat them. So yeah, sure the fights with TigerClaw are impressive but his vengeance didn't truly carry though all the way as you would expect with his bravado dialogue.

As for the main direction of the series, after reading the summaries for the next few episodes, it seems it will be more about rescuing Karai and I wouldn't be surprised if she gets mutated near the season 2 finale. Don't want it, but at least it's a little more justifiable than the random mutagen spill like so many other mutants have experienced, since there's more intentional malice in this, even more than compared to Baxter Stockman's mutation, so kudos to that then.

Overall it was good, but it's one of those few good episodes in an abundance of disappointing ones within this second season. So I'll just wait and see...

[pennydreadful]

I'm betting she becomes Venus temporarily. Shredder might be on some "Yo you like turtles so much why don't you be one?" type ish, plus there's the angle that she's the turtles' sister. I could see Donnie making more retro-mutagen but only having so much, which prompts Splinter to give up his potential humanity so that his daughter can go back to normal, and that's how they'll forge a bond.

That would definitely be a really good approach to trying to do a non-sucky Venus... I'd actually be curious to see whether they could pull it off - but given how universally loathed Venus is, I'm not sure whether it's a creative decision they'd be game to make. Then again, this show is really good at surprising me, so it could definitely be a possibility!

[Electric]

I'm betting on Karai being Venus. Can definitely see her being mutated, and out of everything to mutate into a turtle is probably the most likely. And just like Venus, she's technically their sister.

I'm surprisingly okay with this, as long as it doesn't last.

[Chris_a_Bunga]

..Think I figured out my next tattoo idea. Obviously I'd have someone draw it better, haha , but this was mad fun to work on and try to learn to paint with water colors better 8)

[Rukitron]

My head canon wants to believe Tiger Claw still got his butt kicked by the 80s turtles and then booted into a dimensional portal.

[pennydreadful]

My head canon wants to believe Tiger Claw still got his butt kicked by the 80s turtles and then booted into a dimensional portal.

That's a good headcanon. :)

[Zuriyel]

Nick promote Chris Yost to head writer NOW!:thyper:

This was an amazing episode. Mikey managed to get his chance to show he's actually competent. Hell, wasn't it him who came up with the idea to lead Tiger Claw into a meatlocker. Also Casey managed to strut his stuff.

Always hoped Chris Yost would write for this series since I really enjoyed the episodes he wrote for the 2k3 series and probably my favourite writer for Marvel Comics.

With him as head writer I'll be looking even more forward to season 3. :tgrin:

[MrTMNT2012]

With him as head writer I'll be looking even more forward to season 3. :tgrin:

Where was this mentioned? If so, Season 3 is gonna be AWESOME! :D

[Zuriyel]

Where was this mentioned? If so, Season 3 is gonna be AWESOME! :D

Oops! I thought was just bad grammar by NoName999, no offense I encounter it quite often on the internet. My bad everyone!
So I just got caught up in it. :tcry:

Still I do hope he becomes the head writer so we can get a better focus on the narrative.




I think Tiger Claw took Karai back to Shredder's lair so they both can prepare a trap for Splinter.
If Tiger killed Karai and the Turtles, then Splinter could pick off both him and Splinter at a moment of his choosing.

[VaughnMichael]

D-Did Tigerclaw kill the OT turtles? :teek:
According to Brandon Auman who works on the show "You wouldn't have wanted to see it. He actually killed the 80's versions."
:o
When I said to him "The only thing I wish was that we could have seen the 80s turtles animated fighting Tigerclaw."
I don't know if he's just messing around as he and Ciro like to do that a lot or that's really how they consider the story to go.
If so I have to wonder what season those turtles are from (looks like early on season 1).
If he did kill them that entire old toon world would go crazy and they'd never stop Shredder & Krang.
It's really crazy to think about.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

I liked the episode a lot. I was extremely happy to see that Chris Yost was writing the episode because X-23 is my favorite X-Men character and he used to write some really awesome stories that helped mold her in to what she is. Also any time I get to see Murakami I am happy. I hated that he told where April and Casey were at but I guess I can understand that he was afraid. Casey had some great lines and I thought the fight scene with Tiger Claw was incredibly intense. I like the fact that he's a genuine threat to the Turtles. I felt really sympathetic for Mikey when he got hurt and having Raph hold him was a nice touch to show that no matter what they are still brothers.

[Shredded]

You really bloody got to admire how wise Splinter is in this one!

I mean, when Karai came to him, and stood there right in front of him, he could have reacted a million ways.

And what does he do?

he doesn't try to fend of himself or take owner ship of her at all, he very simply, shows her what-ever items he got to show her the truth, and then let her arrive at her own conclusions.

never ever does he say. "You must." or. "You should be." or. "you should do this." or "You must know know this." or. "This is who you really are."

He respects her as her own person! He lets her be her own person and even advices her to make up her own mind about herself.
He leave it all... to her.

Not for one second trying to tell her what to do, or take ownership of her, or turn her into some-thing she isn't, he just lets her be, accepts her exactly for who she in this situation right now, and gives her that room to make up her own mind about matters, arrive at her own conclusions and act on her own as her own person.

Not Miwa, not Karai, her own person. he even respects her enough to not adress her as "Miwa." he does that ones when he sees her at first, probably because he is so shocked, but when he talks to her directly, he calls her Karai, because he acknowledges that's her name, nothing else.

And beforehand he also clearly stated.
"Maybe she'll come to me, maybe she wont."
Clearly indicating, he is never going to force her, he is going to let her make her own choices, and learn her own lessons, as her own person, not merely his daughter.

Man, this is why Splinter is wise... so wise.

And if she returns, there is no doubt that Splinter will quietly accept her and welcome her as her own person.

Which, Raph i'm sorry bud, but I know not even you would go against Splinters wishes in these matters.
I can see why you would be suspeciouse but.. you're out voted by far.

[Ninjinister]

You really bloody got to admire how wise Splinter is in this one!

I mean, when Karai came to him, and stood there right in front of him, he could have reacted a million ways.

And what does he do?

he doesn't try to fend of himself or take owner ship of her at all, he very simply, shows her what-ever items he got to show her the truth, and then let her arrive at her own conclusions.

never ever does he say. "You must." or. "You should be." or. "you should do this." or "You must know know this." or. "This is who you really are."

He respects her as her own person! He lets her be her own person and even advices her to make up her own mind about herself.
He leave it all... to her.

Not for one second trying to tell her what to do, or take ownership of her, or turn her into some-thing she isn't, he just lets her be, accepts her exactly for who she in this situation right now, and gives her that room to make up her own mind about matters, arrive at her own conclusions and act on her own as her own person.

Not Miwa, not Karai, her own person. he even respects her enough to not adress her as "Miwa." he does that ones when he sees her at first, probably because he is so shocked, but when he talks to her directly, he calls her Karai, because he acknowledges that's her name, nothing else.

And beforehand he also clearly stated.
"Maybe she'll come to me, maybe she wont."
Clearly indicating, he is never going to force her, he is going to let her make her own choices, and learn her own lessons, as her own person, not merely his daughter.

Man, this is why Splinter is wise... so wise.

And if she returns, there is no doubt that Splinter will quietly accept her and welcome her as her own person.

Which, Raph i'm sorry bud, but I know not even you would go against Splinters wishes in these matters.
I can see why you would be suspeciouse but.. you're out voted by far.

I really liked that scene for these very reasons.

[Chinibio]

Nice to see the plot go forward for Karai. I think her realising the father situtation was well written. And that last fight scene, like many has stated, was awesome. More fights like this and i will be one happy tmnt fan!
After pizzaface I was ready to call it quits, and accept that this is how every writer sees Mikey. Dump idiot, comical relief and nothing more. While every Mikey fan knows that's not the case... So I was really happy to see that maybe all hope is not lost. And the writers let him have these moments that are not based on him being an idiot, even if it was just a little.:)

[snake]

According to Brandon Auman who works on the show "You wouldn't have wanted to see it. He actually killed the 80's versions."
:o
When I said to him "The only thing I wish was that we could have seen the 80s turtles animated fighting Tigerclaw."
I don't know if he's just messing around as he and Ciro like to do that a lot or that's really how they consider the story to go.
If so I have to wonder what season those turtles are from (looks like early on season 1).
If he did kill them that entire old toon world would go crazy and they'd never stop Shredder & Krang.
It's really crazy to think about.

Wow, that's deep.

[Refractive Reflections]

According to Brandon Auman who works on the show "You wouldn't have wanted to see it. He actually killed the 80's versions."
:o
When I said to him "The only thing I wish was that we could have seen the 80s turtles animated fighting Tigerclaw."
I don't know if he's just messing around as he and Ciro like to do that a lot or that's really how they consider the story to go.
If so I have to wonder what season those turtles are from (looks like early on season 1).
If he did kill them that entire old toon world would go crazy and they'd never stop Shredder & Krang.
It's really crazy to think about.

I'm assuming he is joking considering that the Nick series has so many influences from the OT (almost a derivation of the OT at times), but it's not like other TMNT versions before haven't thrown the OT version under the bus to superficially elevate their own "badass" reputation. **cough** Turtles Forever **cough**

[Metalwolf]

According to Brandon Auman who works on the show "You wouldn't have wanted to see it. He actually killed the 80's versions."
:o
When I said to him "The only thing I wish was that we could have seen the 80s turtles animated fighting Tigerclaw."
I don't know if he's just messing around as he and Ciro like to do that a lot or that's really how they consider the story to go.
If so I have to wonder what season those turtles are from (looks like early on season 1).
If he did kill them that entire old toon world would go crazy and they'd never stop Shredder & Krang.
It's really crazy to think about.If it should really be and is 'canon' that Tigerclaw killed them off, then that is an incredibly ballsy thing for them to do and would make Nick have some hardcore Mirage elements for sure. Plus it would be their way of showing that this show isn't going to be dependent on the OT, and killing the OT Turtles off is a way to illustrate that.

Also if it's Season 1, then Krang and Shredder don't have all of the later season technology they would have, making them less of a threat then if it was later in the timeline. Plus early in the OT they really don't have much of a reason to work together besides stuff over the Turtles, and without them I don't think Shredder would tolerate Krang much and would likely kill Krang first chance he gets (since he's now a potential and extremely dangerous rival threat.) Once that happens Splinter would kill Shredder, since that would be the only way to stop him.

How did you ask him? Was it on Twitter or Facebook, or through email?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Fun fact: The episode takes place on Tuesday 19th May, you can see it on Kirby's phone when he rings April.

The last time 19th May fell on a Tuesday was 2009.

:tcool:

It will do again in 2015.

[Bry]

According to Brandon Auman who works on the show "You wouldn't have wanted to see it. He actually killed the 80's versions."
:o
When I said to him "The only thing I wish was that we could have seen the 80s turtles animated fighting Tigerclaw."
I don't know if he's just messing around as he and Ciro like to do that a lot or that's really how they consider the story to go.

Yeah, that had to have been a joke. That'd be a pretty lousy way to kill off characters with about 200 TV appearances. (And I feel like there's no way they'd close the door on potential future appearances/cameos.)

And please Nick TMNT, no more 80s Turtles cameos... the show needs to develop more of its own universe far more.

I'm not opposed to seeing them again, but that's not a well they should go to that often - a little nostalgia goes a long way, and this show needs to keep standing on its own strengths.

But after the "crossover" episode was announced some time ago, I was happy to see them show so much restraint with only a few brief cameos in a couple of episodes. I think they know what they're doing.

That said, I'd be pretty happy to see a brief '03 Turtles cameo at some point... :twink:

[drgon78]

Tiger Claw couldn't kill the turtles from that dimension because that isn't the way that dimension works.:lol: Now if he took them out of that dimension then it would be possible.

[LH]

Brandon said it was just a joke guys... No need to be alarmed! :tlol:

[ranger_scout]

Jason Biggs is back! All of the rumors were wrong! Yay! :D


We don't know for sure if he was replaced or not. If he was replaced that episode might have been recorded before Dominic Catrambone took over. Catrambone hinted that we might be seeing more of him as Leonardo.

"Bob ‏@RevolverBobcat · May 19 @domcatrambone When first watching Turtles ep. Pizza Face, I didn't even notice a Leo change. Good job! Is this permanent or temp? :)

Dominic Catrambone ‏@domcatrambone That's good to hear! Not at liberty to say but do keep watching @RevolverBobcat"

"Linda Iroff ‏@LindaofNote Jun 6@domcatrambone Will we hear you this Sunday on TMNT? I hope so! Dominic Catrambone‏@domcatrambone

Not sure about this Sunday but you will hear the amazing @bauzilla as Tiger Claw! Perhaps next week ;) @LindaofNote"



https://twitter.com/domcatrambone

[Donatello19]

I think my favorite part of the episode was that beautifully animated scene of Karai walking into the dojo and looking up at the tree. Great little detail there.

I loved that part too, along with the music in the background.

[Metalwolf]

Brandon said it was just a joke guys... No need to be alarmed! :tlol:I wasn't alarmed, I was kind hoping that it was true. That would have been kind of epic since they'd be going out like warriors. :(

[bigk4062]

Finally finished watching it and I was really impressed how well they handled the whole Splinter/Karai thing... Unlike Leo, Splinter didn't allow his emotions to take over his judgement, he knew the entire time Karai was calling for backup and instead of trying to stop her, he showed her the true and allowed her to finally understand what had happened to her...

I pretty much agree with everyone that Tiger Claw is the best of the henchmen out there.... he can fight better than all the turtles combined and he has nothing but revenge on his mind I just don't understand why he left so quickly with Karai, unless its some kind of loyalty thing hes got going on.

The whole Irma thing kinda ticks me off either give her something to do instead of always being the third wheel or just don't bother with her at all... I know they want to show April having a 'normal' life but still!!

And hey... Kirby Cameo!!!

[JTH]

Gotta love Michel-Angelo Jackson
https://i.imgflip.com/9g8fp.gif

[TurtleTitan97]

Gotta love Michel-Angelo Jackson
https://i.imgflip.com/9g8fp.gif (https://imgflip.com/gif/9g8fp)

:tlol: Nice.

[victory_angel]

I pretty much agree with everyone that Tiger Claw is the best of the henchmen out there.... he can fight better than all the turtles combined and he has nothing but revenge on his mind I just don't understand why he left so quickly with Karai, unless its some kind of loyalty thing hes got going on.


Actually I think his reasons were summed up when Tiger Claw started "With Warriors such as these, we don't strike at their limbs. We strike at their hearts."

Shredder knew that once Karai met Splinter, sooner or later she will begin to ask questions and eventually betray him. So when Tiger Claw asks her if she understood why the Shredder sent her with him on the mission she says. "Because I know them. I know where they hang out, and I know who their friends are." Not realizing she herself is a strike at their hearts as well. Because she is the daughter of Splinter, and Leo was someone she could call a friend.

So she was abducted and imprisoned because now that she knows Hamato Yoshi is her true father she would no longer be controlled by the Shredder. And now it's simply a waiting game for one of the Turtles if not all of them to come rescue her and bring her back to their lair thus compromising their subterranean home.

[BubblyShell22]

This ep was all kinds of awesome. Loved how Karai questioned Shredder and finally got the truth from both Splinter and Shredder. Also loved seeing how Tiger Claw escaped and had to go through many different dimensions to get there. Mikey was awesome in this episode, and I loved seeing Murakami again as well. He's one of my favorite characters. I felt bad when he got beaten up, but he recovered. I also liked Splinter telling Karai that she is who she chooses to be not what others make her out to be and how he let her decide for herself. Sucks that she got imprisoned, but I had a feeling that was coming, and those storyboards were real after all. Tiger Claw is definitely a formidable opponent, and I have a feeling we'll see more of him in future episodes. Overall, a very awesome episode. Can't wait for next week.

[JH24]

That was an amazing episode. Definitely one of the best in this season for me personally. A great episode that kept me on the edge of my seat from beginning to end, and the final fight scene was amazing. Good to see Murikawa again as well.

It was good to see Karai finally realizing the truth, Tigerclaw was awesome as well and I just loved the interactions between the turtles overall.

One small nitpick would be that they brought Karai to their Lair too soon, but it also gave Mikey a moment to shine with his idea. I enjoyed Mikey's portrayal in this episode.

Mikey is still himself but felt more natural, still funny and there were hints he's smarter than he usually let's on. It was nice not seeing him "hyperactive" all the time.

[CowabungaCarl]

The music when they were running out of the sewers with Karai to get to the slaughter house. I got chills! It's was the 90's Training montage music! :tgrin:

[HayaMika]

I don't know how you guys do things here when it comes to discussing parts in new episodes, but on this Adventure Time forum I go on, you hide spoilers with a spoiler tag the first two weeks after a new episode, so I'm gonna do that same here.

---

This is easily one of the most on the edge episodes for me.

The whole thing with Karai finding out that Shredder lied to her is definitely rough. Not to mention that 'almost getting killed by a automated saw' thing. I am excited to see how they continue the story next episode. Hopefully there are a lot of Leo feels. And maybe even some Donnie feels if they start showing more of the shipping stuff.

[plastroncafe]

Amazing episode made better by the passing of the Bechdel Test.
Well done, Nick TMNT Staff. Well done.

So badass. That fight scene in the butcher shop back room was awesome, and I especially liked how the turtles' eyes went from having pupils to not when the light dimmed.

Just...amazing.

[Powder]

[SIZE="1"]I don't know how you guys do things here when it comes to discussing parts in new episodes, but on this Adventure Time forum I go on, you hide spoilers with a spoiler tag the first two weeks after a new episode, so I'm gonna do that same here.

Our policy is pretty much "Don't go in the thread made for discussing your thoughts about the episode because obviously there will be spoilers there". So don't sweat the tags. :tlol:

[MrTMNT2012]

The way all 4 Turtles entered the beef room in a line was so badass! Followed by the epic music, foreboding lighting and fantastic angles made that scene unbelievably great. :)

I'd say this is in my Top 3 Nick TMNT Fights:

3. Turtles Vs. Tiger Claw
2. Splinter Vs. Shredder
1. Turtles Vs. Shredder in The Gauntlet

[MsMarvelDuckie]

OMFG!!! I LOVED this episode!!!! Hands down, the best one YET! That said, I really wish Tigerclaw's return had been done with more than just a few simple flashback sketches. Wanted to see more on that. But other than that, my thoughts are simply this: in the words of the "Lego Movie" song, EVERYTHING IS AWESOME!!! The entire episode was so amazing, I honestly can't really find anything wrong with it. Nice shout-out to the Archie books with Casey's line calling Tigerclaw a "Cat-Man-Dude". Also, the meat-locker scene was just incredible, and someone mentioned that it seemed reminiscent of Predator 2, and I concur. I knew it felt familiar, and now I know why. Also, the saw going in the middle of that EPIC battle was just the icing on the cake.

Splinter's meeting with Karai was so perfect- I can't think of any way they could have made that scene better. Her emotions through the entire episode were great. Doubt, guilt, confusion, disbelief, betrayal, she went through it all. And the storyboards were real.... Hmm, wonder what that means for that other one? Also, the speculation of Karai becoming Venus- I would be okay with that. I like her, her character is already well-established, she IS sort of their sister, and already her background and personality are light-years better than the NM version. The only other route I can see them going with her is to turn her into Ninjara(Alopex?).

[pannoni1]

I just watched this, and it certainly lives up to its expectations and is perhaps the best episode of the season so far. In addition to the OT Cameo, we had Don saying "if we have the allotted time" with regards to helping Casey, clearly a nod to OT Raph. Shredder's reaction at the end is what chilled me the most, as it showed his biggest punishment of anyone yet, and it shows that once you lose your honor to the Foot, you are in deep trouble and threatened to execution. I agree with the final battle in the woodshop room; the buildup with the Turtles sneaking, Tigerclaw grabbing a katana and sai, the close encounters with the saw, the deafening silence free of music, the betrayal of Karai causing her to be taken away, and the aftermath of Michelangelo being injured make this one of the series' most memorable moments. IMO the closest to a Tiger Claw in the OT would be if the tiger that was freed in the Catwoman From Channel 6 mutated.

Overall: 9.5/10

[blindturtle02]

I wasn't alarmed, I was kind hoping that it was true. That would have been kind of epic since they'd be going out like warriors. :(

Wow, just imagining the OT Turtles going out at all gives me goosebumps. Never got to experience the death of Superman comics as a kid, but I imagine I'd get a similar vibe if they were killed off. I'm very curious as to how TC managed to get out of the 87 world and honestly wondering what a fight between him and the OT turtles would be like. He was such a beast in this episode though. I love that kitty. Kept hoping for someone to yell,"Hold that tiger!," but no dice. haha

[VaughnMichael]

How did you ask him? Was it on Twitter or Facebook, or through email?
Yeah I agree Splinter probably would have killed him but think of all the old toon plots and how many crooks and mad scientists there are.
I guess there never would be any other mutants since they wouldn't have the need to make them either.
And yeah it was more of a comment that he replied to on Facebook.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Wow, just imagining the OT Turtles going out at all gives me goosebumps. Never got to experience the death of Superman comics as a kid, but I imagine I'd get a similar vibe if they were killed off. I'm very curious as to how TC managed to get out of the 87 world and honestly wondering what a fight between him and the OT turtles would be like. He was such a beast in this episode though. I love that kitty. Kept hoping for someone to yell,"Hold that tiger!," but no dice. haha

Yeah, he's a BAAAD kitty, alright. I like him already! Somehow, I doubt he actually killed them, but it did look pretty bad. Which brings me to something I forgot to mention earlier. Others have questioned how Mikey's shell could get knocked loose, and my theory on that is that Donnie was referring to his plastron. Since it is the smaller and thinner part of the shell, and is only connected to the carapace by the narrow bridge section, it's possible that it got pulled loose from the muscles and skin that connect it to the rest of his body- ie, tearing at the edges around his limbs, or even cracking and separating from the bridge. We couldn't really tell from the brief glimpse of him after the battle, but Since it's the only part that isn't completely fused to his skeletal structure, that's my guess.

[alpaca witch]

I was thinking, if these rumours about Karai being mutated are true, then what would she become? It seems like a lot of the people behind this series are diehard turtle fans and as such, probably loathe anything related to next mutation, so her becoming the next Venus is unlikely, but not impossible. If anything, I'm thinking she'd become a fox hybrid. Why? Well first off, the writers seem to actually know a lot about Japanese culture and history outside of stereotypes, so it wouldn't be too far-fetched to assume they know about Kitsune myths. For those who don't know:
While some folktales speak of kitsune employing this ability to trick others—as foxes in folklore often do—other stories portray them as faithful guardians, friends, lovers, and wives.(wiki article on kitsune) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune)

Given those basic descriptors, a fox "kitsune" mutation seems a perfect fit for Karai. She's stealthy, tricky, clever, and manipulative, but at the same time she's also a passionate and caring person deep down. If she were truly evil, she wouldn't have cared about her origins, and would have finished off the turtles long ago. Plus, a ninja fox is a lot easier to market IMO. I'm sure nick and playmates are well aware of the inevitable crapstorm that would ensue if they tried to reintroduce Venus, regardless of how well written she is.

I'm certainly not opposed to her becoming Venus, I'd actually love to see someone do a female turtle right, and would love the inevitable toys and merch that would come with it. I just thought I'd add my two cents, hopefully it made sense?

[Bry]

I'd guess that, assuming Karai rejects Saki after recent developments, Shredder might punish her by mutating her into a rat to match her true father. (I'm also assuming it would wind up being temporary.)

[ssjup81]

I'd guess that, assuming Karai rejects Saki after recent developments, Shredder might punish her by mutating her into a rat to match her true father. (I'm also assuming it would wind up being temporary.)But how exactly would he do that? We, the audience, have an idea as to how the mutagen possibly works, but I don't think anyone in the show has put it together yet. Like how, seemingly, the last thing you come across or touch, you mutate into that thing...but even that isn't always the case, is it?

Kirby and Timothy. I don't recall Kirby being around any bats prior to his mutation (unless I just can't remember) and what the heck did Timothy come in contact with to mutate into Mutagen Man? How would Shredder know that if Karai touches a rat and then dowsed with mutagen that she MAY mutate into one?

[Rooish]

Others have questioned how Mikey's shell could get knocked loose, and my theory on that is that Donnie was referring to his plastron.

This is... a pretty bad injury for a turtle nonetheless. Wouldn't he be bleeding like a stuck pig?

[Klunk1234]

After that Pizza Face episode, this one is awesome. Karai finally knows the truth about her past and this is the first time she mentions honor, which remained me of 2k3. What the Shredder is going to with Karai after he lock her in the dungeon? Love, Mikey this time! I hope Karai redeemed herself and becomes an ally. Love to see Irma, April and even Casey. He had a good fight against Tiger Claw. The action scenes were really good. Overall, I'm very happy with the episode.

I hope the next episode is good as this one. :tcool:

[Donny's computer84]

This was a good episode, maybe Karai can their ally. Good action scenes throughout.:D

[pennydreadful]

This is... a pretty bad injury for a turtle nonetheless. Wouldn't he be bleeding like a stuck pig?

I can't speak for the bleeding as I know practically nothing about turtle physiology (I'm positive that Candy Kappa will be able to weigh in with the right answer though)... nonetheless, thinking about plastron tears makes me hurt just thinking about it!

[Darth Knuckles]

Awesome episode. All of the cutscenes explaining how Tiger Claw got back to this dimension were great. The original cartoon turtles, The Triceratons, and the one creature in the background of one of the scenes reminded me of Famine from the Archie series. So Tiger Claw is one tough dude. I like him even more now than I already did in the first episode(s) he was in. Definitely my favorite Nick created character.

Tiger Claw is just brutal at times. He throws Casey off of a tall building for the heck of it. It also shows that his revenge has clouded his judgement a little bit. In "The Manhattan Project" he agrees with Karai and stops Shredder from killing a weakened Splinter. But in this episode he mentions "I didn't come here for honor" in talking about interrogating Mr. Murakami. I also like the threat that Tiger Claw smelled the turtles down in the sewers. I don't know if that will actually pay off or not but it was at least cool to threaten it in this episode.

The final fight was also very awesome. Tiger Claw in the meat locker reminded my of the scene from Predator 2 which is interesting since I thought The Newtralizer reminded me of the Predator a couple of weeks ago. I thought it was great when Tiger Claw fought with his sword and one of Raph's sai. The final fight was just amazing.

I liked that in this episode we saw one of Casey's stash places where he hides his golf bag full of his equipment. And I really loved the line from Casey "Okay, Cat-Man-Dude" which was a great reference to us Archie fans (whoop whoop!!) of Katmandu. I really enjoyed that one!

I loved all of Raph's lines about Karai like, "I don't trust her.", where he was going to stick his sai :tlol:, "I told you!", and "Some of us choose to be right all the time." Some of them reminded me of myself and how I like Nick's take on Raph a lot.

Mikey was smart in this one!!! I really liked that. He knew about triangulating the T-phones and when he suggested he knew where to go towards the end of the episode, Donnie's reaction was just priceless; "I feel scared." :tlol: I laughed out loud so hard on that one!

I really liked Karai's story too. I liked that she was still betraying them all the way until she saw the pictures of her and her real parents. I liked that it took that long for her to believe Splinter and Leo about her true father. The end with Shredder surprisingly admitting that "Yes, Hamato Yoshi is your true father." was pretty interesting I thought. Shredder could have still tried to lie I thought but he told her the truth and it won't help her in the future either. All together a really great episode.

[pennydreadful]

I'm happy any time Tiger Claw shows up, for the enjoyment I get out of his voice acting alone. It's just such a pleasure to hear him talk (I know that came out sounding wrong, but it's not meant that way! :lol: ).

[pennydreadful]

So, who else is wondering whether Shredder had planned for Karai betraying him? This Shredder's pretty sneaky... I kind of see him anticipating that it might happen, in which case whether she did or didn't betray him, he'd still end up ultimately winning - either she'd help Tiger Claw to destroy the Turtles for him, or she'd show her true loyalties and he'd get to use her as bait to destroy Splinter later on.

Which makes me wonder whether Tiger Claw's "unexpected entrance" into the throne room was planned or not. Maybe Tiger Claw had returned a while ago and Shredder kept it secret so he could play out this little scenario of his.

Karai's shown on several occasions that she is more emotion-driven than Shredder would probably like... and I'm sure he would have noticed.

Raising someone for 15 years and then tossing them in jail without a backwards glance is pretty cold though... this Shredder is so ruthless!

[BubblyShell22]

But how exactly would he do that? We, the audience, have an idea as to how the mutagen possibly works, but I don't think anyone in the show has put it together yet. Like how, seemingly, the last thing you come across or touch, you mutate into that thing...but even that isn't always the case, is it?

Kirby and Timothy. I don't recall Kirby being around any bats prior to his mutation (unless I just can't remember) and what the heck did Timothy come in contact with to mutate into Mutagen Man? How would Shredder know that if Karai touches a rat and then dowsed with mutagen that she MAY mutate into one?

When Tim was stumbling around, his knees landed in a pile of mutagen, so that's how he transformed into Mutagen Man. As for Kirby, there were bats hanging from the building he and April were standing on and as he falls, you see the bats flying up around him.

[Shark_Blade]

Holy crap, the final showdown in the slaughterhouse was awesome!!!! :o The action is movie quality like.

I love you Ciro and team, bringing chills and danger into the show!

[bigk4062]

I kinda wish that Splinter would have gone with them to fight Tiger Claw... clearly the dude is hell bent on revenge and has attacked weaker humans without any issue... his sons couldn't beat Tiger Claw on their own the first time why could they the second? Of course now many Splinter is gonna go into crazy papa mood since his one son is hurt and his daughter is missing... time for the Shredder/Splinter/Tiger Claw throw down :)

[Metalwolf]

But how exactly would he do that? We, the audience, have an idea as to how the mutagen possibly works, but I don't think anyone in the show has put it together yet. Like how, seemingly, the last thing you come across or touch, you mutate into that thing...but even that isn't always the case, is it?

Kirby and Timothy. I don't recall Kirby being around any bats prior to his mutation (unless I just can't remember) and what the heck did Timothy come in contact with to mutate into Mutagen Man? How would Shredder know that if Karai touches a rat and then dowsed with mutagen that she MAY mutate into one?If we can figure it out, they can figure it out. The mutagen seems to be pretty simplistic in how it does things, plus they also have Baxter to confirm. Also when someone get's mutated like that, the genetic donor creature is often still nearby, and so most would put 2 and 2 together.

Kirby got mutated because the bats would be shedding hair and dander as they were flying. Kirby was in the middle of the bats, so he was in a cloud of it.

[fridaynightdestination]

Alright, so I just saw this episode now because I forgot about it on Sunday (luckily it taped) and I was too busy studying and keeping up with E3 to watch it yesterday, but I finally caught it! Great episode. Karai learning the truth and teaming up with the turtles was cool. I liked how this was a bit of a darker episode after the silly fun that was Pizzaface. This episode was darker with Tiger Claw talking about how he got out of the worm, the pizza chief guy (what's his name?) almost getting killed by Tiger Claw, Casey Jones getting thrown off the roof and getting knocked out, the turtles letting Tiger Claw take Karai, Michelangelo getting pretty beat up, Karai getting locked in the cage, etc. Great episode, 8/10.

Also, I will get hated for saying this, but I liked Pizzaface more than this episode. :lol: Not just because it was a Mikey episode and Mikey is my favorite turtle, just because I loved how silly and fun it was. But I still loved this episode and it is one of the best this season so far.

[NoName999]

But how exactly would he do that? We, the audience, have an idea as to how the mutagen possibly works, but I don't think anyone in the show has put it together yet. Like how, seemingly, the last thing you come across or touch, you mutate into that thing...but even that isn't always the case, is it?


Didn't Bradford and Xever figure it out?

[IndigoErth]

This episode, how's that internet talk go.. "the feels!"? Really.

So rare that a cartoon could ever make me tear up a tiny bit there for a moment, but Nick succeeded with this one.

Can't wait for the further progress of this storyline.

[Refractive Reflections]

I wasn't alarmed, I was kind hoping that it was true. That would have been kind of epic since they'd be going out like warriors. :(

It would have been a shallow and unfair move if it was true, having someone else to "officially" (more or less) write the characters' ending for another person's story, especially after the OT voice actors contributed their cameo. Otherwise how fair would it be for a fourth or fifth animated series of TMNT to easily kill off these Nick Turtles to highlight a villain's importance in another new series? How would Ciro and his production team react to that then?

Only David Wise could make that kind of a call since he was the main, original storywriter of the OT.

[fridaynightdestination]

This episode, how's that internet talk go.. "the feels!"? Really.

So rare that a cartoon could ever make me tear up a tiny bit there for a moment, but Nick succeeded with this one.

Can't wait for the further progress of this storyline.

What made you tear up? The only thing that make me get remotely sad was seeing Casey Jones and Michelangelo getting the crap beat out of them, but I didn't tear up at it.

[IndigoErth]

What made you tear up? The only thing that make me get remotely sad was seeing Casey Jones and Michelangelo getting the crap beat out of them, but I didn't tear up at it.
That whole Karai and Splinter piece.

Gah, come on, I can't be the only one moved by it. lol Long time in coming.

[Metalwolf]

It would have been a shallow and unfair move if it was true, having someone else to "officially" (more or less) write the characters' ending for another person's story, especially after the OT voice actors contributed their cameo. Otherwise how fair would it be for a fourth or fifth animated series of TMNT to easily kill off these Nick Turtles to highlight a villain's importance in another new series? How would Ciro and his production team react to that then?

Only David Wise could make that kind of a call since he was the main, original storywriter of the OT.But in a way they did do something like that in Turtles Forever, at least for OT Turtles. They didn't kill them, but they did characterize them in such a way at their expense, just to highlight how much 'kewler' the 2k3 Turtles were and how more dangerous their Shredder was. At least with Tigerclaw killing them they go out like warriors and not like the pizza obsessed chumps Turtles Forever portrayed them to be, which is another reason why I can't understand the fan-gush that movie gets.

And did David Wise even like how the OT were portrayed in TF? Would he not like a more fitting ending to them going out like heroes, instead of being seen as little more then a joke to make the 2k3 Turtles look good?

[Refractive Reflections]

But in a way they did do something like that in Turtles Forever, at least for OT Turtles. They didn't kill them, but they did characterize them in such a way at their expense, just to highlight how much 'kewler' the 2k3 Turtles were and how more dangerous their Shredder was. At least with Tigerclaw killing them they go out like warriors and not like the pizza obsessed chumps Turtles Forever portrayed them to be, which is another reason why I can't understand the fan-gush that movie gets.

And did David Wise even like how the OT were portrayed in TF? Would he not like a more fitting ending to them going out like heroes, instead of being seen as little more then a joke to make the 2k3 Turtles look good?

I didn't like how the OT Turtles were portrayed in Turtles Forever either (that movie can't go 5 minutes without making fun at the OT Turtles' expense), but it's one thing to deride character(s) for a period time and keep them alive, and maybe having a potential of being redeemable (which Nick seemed to do mostly), but for me at least, it's more extreme to have something as final and absolute as death and trample over the OT Turtles' bodies just to create emphasis on TigerClaw's ruthlessness. Therefore permanently ending the journey of the OT characters, and even the OT show itself in a way, that the original writer would most likely not have intended.

If it was a true canon development, as I said before, it would be another lowbrow behavior of throwing the OT version under the bus again, just to superficially "one up" their own cool factor, just for the sake of a moderately emphasized villain in the Nick series. Which would have been so ironic considering since both 2K3 and Nick owe their creation to the past success of the OT in creating Turtlemania. In my eyes, a product's "coolness" is how much it can do on its own rather than heavily berating/mocking something from the past to boast its own importance/relevance.

But for the most part, in both episodes "Wormquake!" and "The Wrath of Tiger Claw" the Nick show depicted the OT Turtles fairly close, from its lighter comedic seasons ("Wormquake!") to the darker toned Red Sky seasons (with the orange-colored flashback scene in "The Wrath of Tiger Claw").

Nevertheless, it seems that both of our concerns have been addressed with the OT Turtles fighting like warriors and still being alive. ;):lol:

[fridaynightdestination]

I hope they don't completely ignore Michelangelo's injury next episode. I do hope they don't focus too much on it but don't just forget it happened. At least have Mikey come out of his room and be like "Hey I'm feeling better" or something.

Also, I wonder if Karai will ever be able to trust the turtles again after they let Tiger Claw take her to The Shredder.

[pennydreadful]

Also, I wonder if Karai will ever be able to trust the turtles again after they let Tiger Claw take her to The Shredder.

I'd love to know what she's thinking/feeling/going through while she's in that jail cell.

[victory_angel]

I can see Leo pull a "If it was April, wouldn't you go save her?" on Donnie.

[Shark_Blade]

I'd love to know what she's thinking/feeling/going through while she's in that jail cell.

She should just be dancing her ass off like Lady Gaga did in jail.

http://i.imgur.com/94Va7R2.gif

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

I'd be pretty happy to see a brief '03 Turtles cameo at some point... :twink:

Same. Definitely agree. However, since the 2003 show hardly gets any acknowledgement or recognition from the nick staff (and has also been thrown under the bus), I doubt it'll ever happen.

[ScarletRose145]

Hey just a thought was Karai based off of Diane lane ladies and gentlemen the fabulous stains

[pennydreadful]

She should just be dancing her ass off like Lady Gaga did in jail.

http://i.imgur.com/94Va7R2.gif

Rather than wait for Splinter and the boys to bust her out, she just needs to channel her inner Miss Piggy:

http://37.media.tumblr.com/013a5e85967521fff51a58866c29709b/tumblr_modzroDKNq1qbtpjao1_400.gif

In all seriousness though, is anyone else wondering who else Shredder might have in his jail cells? My imagination's going into overdrive here... I mean, he has to have thrown people in jail before or he wouldn't have the cells. So I wonder who else he's got prisoner down there?

Hey just a thought was Karai based off of Diane lane ladies and gentlemen the fabulous stains

Oh wow, that's great!!! Good find! :)

[JTH]

I hope they don't completely ignore Michelangelo's injury next episode. I do hope they don't focus too much on it but don't just forget it happened. At least have Mikey come out of his room and be like "Hey I'm feeling better" or something.

Technically they already did.

Pizzaface is supposed to be after this episode...hence another reason they aired it first. ;)

[MCLeo28]

Preview of next episode shows Michelangelo recovered from his injuries anyways, so they most likely did ignore it. I'd say they used Michelangelo's injury as a clever excuse for Leo and the others not to rescue Karai.

[pennydreadful]

They never really mentioned anything about injuries after Slash beat the snot out of them either (and they got pretty banged up then), so I wasn't expecting it in the next ep.

[Zuriyel]

That whole Karai and Splinter piece.

Gah, come on, I can't be the only one moved by it. lol Long time in coming.
Nah, I was as well.
I also liked the contrast diplayed between Shredder and Splinter's lair, and the part where Karai said "I have no honor... but that's about to change!"

[tmntpower1988]

This episode was really intense. Tiger Claw is a badass. I wasn't impressed with some of the previous episodes but this one was amazing.

[Metalwolf]

I didn't like how the OT Turtles were portrayed in Turtles Forever either (that movie can't go 5 minutes without making fun at the OT Turtles' expense), but it's one thing to deride character(s) for a period time and keep them alive, and maybe having a potential of being redeemable (which Nick seemed to do mostly), but for me at least, it's more extreme to have something as final and absolute as death and trample over the OT Turtles' bodies just to create emphasis on TigerClaw's ruthlessness. Therefore permanently ending the journey of the OT characters, and even the OT show itself in a way, that the original writer would most likely not have intended.

If it was a true canon development, as I said before, it would be another lowbrow behavior of throwing the OT version under the bus again, just to superficially "one up" their own cool factor, just for the sake of a moderately emphasized villain in the Nick series. Which would have been so ironic considering since both 2K3 and Nick owe their creation to the past success of the OT in creating Turtlemania. In my eyes, a product's "coolness" is how much it can do on its own rather than heavily berating/mocking something from the past to boast its own importance/relevance.I think I can see your point now. I think I had that strong of reaction (or wish as you will) because I just hate that TF movie so much, that seeing yet another attempt to be like the TF movie had sort of made me mad. Honestly, I think that movie is only well regarded because it threw the OT fans a meager nostalgic bone at the time even as it mocked their Turtles, and OT fans overlooked this major flaw and took it because 'Hey, at least they're showing the 80s' Turtles!"

Now that Nick shows respect to this version of the Turtles, it isn't as bad, but I'd hope that by calling the OT a dimension and not universe that it's a sign that it is distancing itself away from that movie. Plus it doesn't crap on the OT and try to be meta about it (the whole 'multiverse ending' thing) which is another thing it strongly has in it's favor.
But for the most part, in both episodes "Wormquake!" and "The Wrath of Tiger Claw" the Nick show depicted the OT Turtles fairly close, from its lighter comedic seasons ("Wormquake!") to the darker toned Red Sky seasons (with the orange-colored flashback scene in "The Wrath of Tiger Claw").

Nevertheless, it seems that both of our concerns have been addressed with the OT Turtles fighting like warriors and still being alive. ;):lol:I would take the Nick and OT 'meeting' as the only canon occurrence of two TMNT shows ever crossing over. That just did it so well, and it made the OT seem less bound by certain rules (Tigerclaw killing a Kraathatrogen in the OT, instead of it being spared and sent back to it's own dimension like the OT Turtles would have done with it.) I thought that was so cool, and made the OT feel like it had hidden bits of being dark and serious (and that was one of those that wasn't just in the Red Sky seasons.)

[Ninjinister]

I can't believe people are still whining about their perception that the 80's turtles were significantly marginalized in Turtles Forever. It's like you ONLY paid attention to those Turtles.

[Galactus]

I still can't believe that it's been accepted as "fact" that people believe the 4kids staff deliberately did a "bad" portrayal of the Fred Wolf characters in order to boost up their own.

They went to incredible lengths to replicate the animation of the old show (much better than Nick has) and pretty decent sound-a-likes, referenced several aspects of the old show including some pretty obscure things and even ripped actual lines of dialogue from the show. They did all just to insult them. :roll:

Anyhoo I really liked this episode but I hope the fact that the turtles let Tiger Claw get away with Karai is not going to be the justification for the character to not join with the turtles which I can see happening. At very least I hope they're don't play it so ham fisted and have her angry at the turtles.

It would better for her to understand why they didn't pursue Tiger Claw but still feel hurt by it. Also an acknowledgment that while Shredder robbed her of her real life (and mother) he did raise her.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

This is... a pretty bad injury for a turtle nonetheless. Wouldn't he be bleeding like a stuck pig?


Not necessarily. It could just get knocked loose and the skin not be torn or cut. I'm thinking it was separated from the rest of the shell without the skin pulling away. Could happen, I suppose.

[Refractive Reflections]

I still can't believe that it's been accepted as "fact" that people believe the 4kids staff deliberately did a "bad" portrayal of the Fred Wolf characters in order to boost up their own.

They went to incredible lengths to replicate the animation of the old show (much better than Nick has) and pretty decent sound-a-likes, referenced several aspects of the old show including some pretty obscure things and even ripped actual lines of dialogue from the show. They did all just to insult them. :roll:


http://24.media.tumblr.com/d8daa430adf0f528e8ec2360966c7370/tumblr_n2eqb1fwJf1t444smo1_250.gif

I'm not surprised you would bring up this off-topic logic yet again Galactus, but it's not like you haven't done it before (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1079673&postcount=127) and earlier (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1125929&postcount=37), by giving yet again the same art imagery response for a character behavior/depiction issue.

Your point makes as much sense as hyperfocusing on the props and visual backdrop of a stage play (the animation, references, and sound-a-likes in Turtles Forever) claiming that they all do the play "justice" (or the OT Turtles "justice" in this case), while ignoring the script, tone, and characterization of the stage play (how the OT Turtles behaved and how 70% of the movie's humor was based on the OT Turtles' incompetence/immaturity). But I guess that art imagery itself is primarily enough to keep you satisfied, so be it then...

[Mona_Lisa]

I know I haven't posted in a very long time but THAT was an awesome episode!
I love the Nick tmnt series but felt that it wasn't as good as it was in the first season anymore, and then this episode changed all that!
Loved Mikey's genus idea to find Casey, but he only new how to find Casey because he knew how to track the pizza delivery guy!!!:tlol:
I liked how Leo still cares for Kari, but it no longer come across as a crush.
Donny had some funny moments
I wish Raph could have had some more awesome senses. I feel like he gets left out some. We need some awesome Raph fight sense or something. Give the guy something to protect, idk.... I'm ranting!
Glad the next ep. will still somewhat continue this episode!:tgrin:

[Galactus]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/d8daa430adf0f528e8ec2360966c7370/tumblr_n2eqb1fwJf1t444smo1_250.gif

I'm not surprised you would bring up this off-topic logic yet again Galactus, but it's not like you haven't done it before (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1079673&postcount=127) and earlier (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1125929&postcount=37), by giving yet again the same art imagery response for a character behavior/depiction issue.

Your point makes as much sense as hyperfocusing on the props and visual backdrop of a stage play (the animation, references, and sound-a-likes in Turtles Forever) claiming that they all do the play "justice" (or the OT Turtles "justice" in this case), while ignoring the script, tone, and characterization of the stage play (how the OT Turtles behaved and how 70% of the movie's humor was based on the OT Turtles' incompetence/immaturity). But I guess that art imagery itself is primarily enough to keep you satisfied, so be it then...

It's not really off topic as it was being discussed already on this thread and it's worth bringing up again because no one has ever been able to counter my points. All I've ever gotten is deflection and animated gifs.

For me it really boiled down to intent. Obviously a lot of fans of the Fred Wolf turtles felt that the show deliberately mischaracterized the 87 characters in order to make them look bad and their own version look better but was really what they set out to do or just how some people felt?

I would argue given all the things I've argued (and I hope they don't need listing again) that the answer is no. Afterall why would they go to all that effort to recreate the 87 characters just to insult them?

That's before considering that the same effort wasn't even made on their own characters and that more than once the OT methods saved the day...or that a lot of the things the chracters said and did in the special were actually from the old show. That's one of tne reasons I'd argue it was a "wrong" intepretation just one that focused on aspects a lot of fans would prefer they avoided.

To be honest I don't see any difference between the portrayal of the turtles in Turtles Forever and in Wormquake that people initially raved about but maybe that worked better as a small scene than stretched out for a whole special.

[snake]

I know I haven't posted in a very long time but THAT was an awesome episode!
I love the Nick tmnt series but felt that it wasn't as good as it was in the first season anymore, and then this episode changed all that!
Loved Mikey's genus idea to find Casey, but he only new how to find Casey because he knew how to track the pizza delivery guy!!!:tlol:
I liked how Leo still cares for Kari, but it no longer come across as a crush.
Donny had some funny moments
I wish Raph could have had some more awesome senses. I feel like he gets left out some. We need some awesome Raph fight sense or something. Give the guy something to protect, idk.... I'm ranting!
Glad the next ep. will still somewhat continue this episode!:tgrin:

Welcome back! It really was a great episode.

[ssjup81]

So, I decided to watch it again, and I'm even more convinced that the turtles were possibly fighting to kill (or seriously injure) this time around. Who turned on the saw? It wasn't Tigerclaw.

That aside, I'm also convinced that this episode proves that Pizzaface ep was nothing but a whacked out dream since this episode is before the Pizzaface one. Maybe Mikey was recovering from his injuries he received from Tigerclaw and had a crazy dream....but I should probably talk about that there, but it wouldn't surprise me if others felt that way before this ep even aired.

[blindturtle02]

I know I haven't posted in a very long time but THAT was an awesome episode!
I love the Nick tmnt series but felt that it wasn't as good as it was in the first season anymore, and then this episode changed all that!
Loved Mikey's genus idea to find Casey, but he only new how to find Casey because he knew how to track the pizza delivery guy!!!:tlol:
I liked how Leo still cares for Kari, but it no longer come across as a crush.
Donny had some funny moments
I wish Raph could have had some more awesome senses. I feel like he gets left out some. We need some awesome Raph fight sense or something. Give the guy something to protect, idk.... I'm ranting!
Glad the next ep. will still somewhat continue this episode!:tgrin:

I agree, ML. I know Pizzaface takes place after this one, but I'm rather glad they chose to air this one right before Legend. Like others have said, I'm hoping Karai doesn't fight alongside the turtles just yet. I like her as a wild card. Hoping she decides to take the battle to the Shredder on her own eventually and have her own little personal vendetta. She may be Splinter's daughter, but I imagine she has allot of Shredder's teachings burned into her brain. I think she's learned how to be vindictive from the very best.

[ssjup81]

That's actually a good idea. Maybe continue to have her fight for Shredder, but really plotting revenge against him. Maybe Shredder will brainwash her somehow (be it by mutating her or by some other means) and she will fool them into thinking they have control over her when they actually don't.

I'm just imagining how Leo will react to something like that.

[blindturtle02]

Oh he'll probably beat himself up over it after Vengeance Is Mine if things go horribly wrong. I wonder if Karai would ever try to start a more honorable version of the Foot in this incarnation. Come to think of it, was Splinter ever a member this time around? I feel that both Shredder's and Splinter's pasts are shrouded in so much mystery in the 2012 series. I like that. The writers can flesh them out over time. Problem is, I want that story now. haha

[ssjup81]

Oh he'll probably beat himself up over it after Vengeance Is Mine if things go horribly wrong. I wonder if Karai would ever try to start a more honorable version of the Foot in this incarnation. Come to think of it, was Splinter ever a member this time around? I feel that both Shredder's and Splinter's pasts are shrouded in so much mystery in the 2012 series. I like that. The writers can flesh them out over time. Problem is, I want that story now. hahaWell, in one of the Rat King eps (I can't recall if it was his debut ep or the season 2 one), when the Rat King was trying to control Splinter and was trying to get in his head, Splinter mentioned that he'd lost everything from his past and he also said, "my clan"...so I guess he was part of the Foot. Shredder did recognize the symbol on the Shuriken that the turtle left behind in the first episode

Personally, I want to know what Saki does for a living when he's not walking around as a swiss army knife. He has to have a "day job" to afford all that junk he has and to be able to live in plain sight. Not counting the OT and I don't know for 2k3, I'm pretty sure the character had a legit "day job". Saki by day, Shredder by night.

[IndigoErth]

but he only new how to find Casey because he knew how to track the pizza delivery guy!!!:tlol:
That may be, but it was still something he had already previously figured out on his own, even if originally for superficial reasons, but knowing that and being able to apply as an important tool is awesome. :)

Heck, it went over my head when he explained it, so good on him. lol


Who turned on the saw? It wasn't Tigerclaw.
Yeah, that's one thing I'd been wondering. o.O

[victory_angel]

Who turned on the saw? It wasn't Tigerclaw.


Maybe it was Karai, as she shows up towards the end of the fight when TC has Leo pinned down. I think he may have suspected she has or would change sides on his own, or that is something that the Shredder had secretly told him.. So he asks her if she wanted to have the honor killing Leo as a way of having her prove to him where here loyalties resided.

[BubblyShell22]

I agree, ML. I know Pizzaface takes place after this one, but I'm rather glad they chose to air this one right before Legend. Like others have said, I'm hoping Karai doesn't fight alongside the turtles just yet. I like her as a wild card. Hoping she decides to take the battle to the Shredder on her own eventually and have her own little personal vendetta. She may be Splinter's daughter, but I imagine she has allot of Shredder's teachings burned into her brain. I think she's learned how to be vindictive from the very best.

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if Karai did go this route and started her own vendetta against him. After all, he lied to her for her whole life and so she has a good reason for wanting revenge. Not sure how this will play out, but I love the idea of it.

[MCLeo28]

Well, I'm not exactly sure she would do that.

Splinter told her to be who she wants to be and choosing the path of revenge definitely goes against that as she will just be like the Shredder who has their own vendetta. That, and there's nothing honorable about acting solely on pure rage and go for revenge. It was made very clear that in the "Wrath of Tiger Claw", Tiger Claw's path to revenge was not even honorable, even if it was because they sent him to another dimension risking one of his eyes in the process. It was also explained thoroughly through a few of the scenes that Karai wanted honor and that seemed to be the most important thing on her mind when she attempted to rescue the Turtles.

I'm confident Karai won't take things into her own hands yet and will decide for herself on what she wants to do. I wouldn't want her just to act like Shredder and go for revenge and end up getting captured in the long run.

[Refractive Reflections]

It's not really off topic as it was being discussed already on this thread and it's worth bringing up again because no one has ever been able to counter my points. All I've ever gotten is deflection and animated gifs.

For me it really boiled down to intent. Obviously a lot of fans of the Fred Wolf turtles felt that the show deliberately mischaracterized the 87 characters in order to make them look bad and their own version look better but was really what they set out to do or just how some people felt?

I would argue given all the things I've argued (and I hope they don't need listing again) that the answer is no. Afterall why would they go to all that effort to recreate the 87 characters just to insult them?

That's before considering that the same effort wasn't even made on their own characters and that more than once the OT methods saved the day...or that a lot of the things the chracters said and did in the special were actually from the old show. That's one of tne reasons I'd argue it was a "wrong" intepretation just one that focused on aspects a lot of fans would prefer they avoided.

To be honest I don't see any difference between the portrayal of the turtles in Turtles Forever and in Wormquake that people initially raved about but maybe that worked better as a small scene than stretched out for a whole special.

It is off-topic because apparently it seems to you Galactus, that the aesthetics of animation far outweigh the storytelling depiction of the characters' behavior, since you clearly seem to bring the animation style to forefront of your argument whenever everyone else tries to solely talk about their personalities/behaviors (i.e. dialogue, emotional reactions, viewpoints of the characters). ...And you want to talk about others deflecting on your issues? :roll: The irony...

If your logic was applied to the 2K3 Turtles, as long as the 2K3 Turtles visually look, audibly sound, and have references to their previous episodes (i.e. 2K3 Mikey talking about Battle Nexus and an accurate depiction of the lair), it should be no problem for you if some future series exaggerates all of them to a caricature degree of being uptight, overtly somber and dark.

...But since aesthetic animation is your most primary concern (as your history reflects) for the assessment of a "well-intended" depiction of a character, kudos to you in being easily satisfied with the movie then.

[Casey]

Not even gonna read the comments to see what all's been said before:

1. This episode totally makes up for Pizza-Face. It is all the reasons why I fell in love with this show in the first place and more.
2. TMNT 1990 reference a la music was AMAZING yet subtle.
3. That final fight scene and the part in the freezer leading up to it was intense and would NEVER have flown during any other rendition of the turtles. That meat processing room was nasty and horrific. I thought it added some serious grit and necessary tension back into the show. Maybe that's why they allow episodes such as Pizza-face; to ensure people don't remember this show as too dark or unsuitable for kids.
4. "It's almost like we're in another dimension..." made me think maybe that was gonna be revealed at the end. Like Tigerclaw didn't get back to the same place. Maybe in a way he didn't, but they will just never really address it again.

5. Also, I gotta post this again because it's too close not to mention a second time:


http://i.imgur.com/nyCWTV1.jpg

[bigk4062]

I just love the part when all four of the guys and Karai are trying to find a place to lead Tiger Claw and they slide into a line in the tunnel... they look like such a natural fighting team

[Sighphi]

5. Also, I gotta post this again because it's too close not to mention a second time:


http://i.imgur.com/nyCWTV1.jpg


TC is Jango Fett. He even has the jet pack, man.

[Shark_Blade]

TC is Jango Fett. He even has the jet pack, man.
Yes that's what I thought too. Totally Jango, with blue jet pack and laser gun. :D

[Casey]

TC is Jango Fett. He even has the jet pack, man.

Never even noticed that! I mean, he's clearly Star Wars inspired. I'm just saying that a tiger wearing a neckerchief is pretty clearly a nod to Tony. I mostly meant my post as a joke, not that they are literally attempting to join those two characters to make him.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I'm a bit late in seeing this Episode, so here I am.

What an Episode! This is better than the last 5 episodes IMO. So much happaned is 20 minutes it's ridiculous.

Extremlly good this episode. Any doubts that this series is becoming terrible has been erased (for the time being)

[sdp]

An alright episode, but nothing amazing. Preferred the first Tiger Claw episode. It's just that Karai is such an annoying character in this show and her storyline is so dull and cliche.

[ssjup81]

I was just rewatching this episode and something came to mind. After Murakami's, the four split up to find April and Casey. It was after 11:00 pm. Why wouldn't they just assume Casey was at home, like April? It's strange for an ice rink to be open that late, even if it is New York.

It would be nice to see Casey at home at some point.

[billbot85]

I liked this episode a lot. The showdown with the turtles and Tiger Claw at the end in the meat locker was just awesomeb, with the table saw and all. Really brought the turtles back to their badass routes and skills. :tgrin:

[Sumac]

And we back for more plot. Finally.

Ok, so Tiger Claw is alive...? For what purpose...? Anyway, action scenes were awesome as usual for the episodes where Karai is present.

I was not sure , if she was really believing Turtles in the begining - it was too abrupt. And I was right. And as I predict, after she ended up in the Turtles lair, Splinter has showed her his photos with Tang Shen and everything was right in the world...Not. Thanks for stripy-stripy.

Action scene at the plant was awesome and I felt they again enhanced graphics for this segment, like in the Season 1 finale. I was fully expecting that TG will lose some limbs for the saw, but, alas, it did not happened.

The scene of reunion between Splinter and Karai was emotional and touching.

Overall, awesome episode. I give it 3 ninjas stars out of 3.