Why does Casey dislike Irma?

[CyberCubed]

Casey has expressed his dislike for Irma in a few episodes calling her, "annoying," and, "does she ever shut up?" or "she's nasty."

Yet we the audience have never seen Irma actually do any of these things he's complaining about. What do you think?

[JTH]

Probably the same reason he disliked Donatello at first.

Because she's a dork that gets in the way of what he wants to do with April.

[Coola Yagami]

The show has a horrible lack of fleshing out its characters properly. Maybe Casey just hates nerds. April might count as a nerd but she's 'cute'.

[NoName999]

He probably thinks she's ****blocking him to keep him from April

[Donatello19]

Isn't it obvious? Because she's getting in the way of him and April.

[TigerClaw]

Casey has expressed his dislike for Irma in a few episodes calling her, "annoying," and, "does she ever shut up?" or "she's nasty."

Yet we the audience have never seen Irma actually do any of these things he's complaining about. What do you think?
He obviously wants to spend time with April alone, Which is why he isnt comfortable having a 3rd person being around, Cause in his own mind, Hes dating April.

[Donatello19]

I wonder if April even likes Casey. Every time he says the word "date" around her she says something like "who said this was a date?"...and she's always bringing Irma with them (someone had to invite her, and it certainly isn't Casey)

[Candy Kappa]

Yet, April was very casual when she assumed Casey rubbed her butt.

[MCLeo28]

Well, actually, while Irma has never been seen as nasty, we can imply that because of her reaction to "rat droppings" (or whatever it was) after April freed Irma in "Of Rats and Men". I don't think it's far off to say Irma is nasty, at least in Casey's eyes.

[pennydreadful]

I wonder if April even likes Casey. Every time he says the word "date" around her she says something like "who said this was a date?"...and she's always bringing Irma with them (someone had to invite her, and it certainly isn't Casey)

Ditto this - it's the kind of thing that someone might do if they didn't want to be alone with someone else.

But on the other hand:

Yet, April was very casual when she assumed Casey rubbed her butt.

This. Sometimes I don't know what to think.

Overall, I think Casey dislikes anyone who gets in the way of him having alone-time with April - regardless, it's pretty obnoxious. From what I've seen, she's a perfectly nice person so I don't have much patience for Casey constantly throwing off at her.

[JTH]

Ditto this - it's the kind of thing that someone might do if they didn't want to be alone with someone else.

But on the other hand:



This. Sometimes I don't know what to think.

Overall, I think Casey dislikes anyone who gets in the way of him having alone-time with April - regardless, it's pretty obnoxious. From what I've seen, she's a perfectly nice person so I don't have much patience for Casey constantly throwing off at her.

Pretty much, I feel she does this because this is her way to feel human, and doing this is her way to feel like she's living a normal life. I feel she likes the fact that Donnie and Casey both like her, and why she continues to lead them both on because she doesn't want this feeling of being cared like this to end. I feel she's a flirt and wants to be cared about by both of them to feel human and important not involving alien invasions and terraforming plots.

It's like her drug per say, she doesn't want it to end so she continues to do it, no matter how wrong she feels it may become. She wants to continue feeling special by two people she cares about and who care about her back. Because as soon as she stops, she'll remember how much of an inhuman life she has.

[Donatello19]

I'd honestly prefer if April just stayed single. Her and Don are cute together, but I can't imagine it being anything more than it is right now. With her and Casey...I don't really see anything that puts them together/warrants a relationship other than them being the male and female (human) leads.

[Creativecreature31]

I'd honestly prefer if April just stayed single. Her and Don are cute together, but I can't imagine it being anything more than it is right now. With her and Casey...I don't really see anything that puts them together/warrants a relationship other than them being the male and female (human) leads.

^This right here!

[ssjup81]

Oh, and I don't think he actually dislikes Irma, he just hates the fact that when he wants to hang out with April alone for the dates he thinks he's on in his mind, Irma is usually around. Irma being around I feel just shows that April isn't into him in that way. Irma is April's friend. I doubt Irma forced herself to be with them during their outings. I'm sure April probably invites her along since she is her friend and since Casey constantly wants a date, he wouldn't. He keeps referring to Irma as a third wheel. In another thread, I mentioned that I don't feel that she's the third wheel, but that he is. If April wanted to get closer to Casey romantically, she would probably let Irma know this. To me, this just shows that she obviously wants to be and remain friends with Casey and just "hang out" with her friends doing normal, non-Shredder/non-Kraang-related things.

I do hate the fact that both she and Casey ditch her all the time though. Like in the current ep, I felt bad when they rushed off. I know they were doing so to protect Irma, but they could be a bit more tactful...well, April at least. They could've told her something like, "Irma, hurry go home. Don't ask any questions, just do it. It's for your own safety!" or something.

Pretty much, I feel she does this because this is her way to feel human, and doing this is her way to feel like she's living a normal life. I feel she likes the fact that Donnie and Casey both like her, and why she continues to lead them both on because she doesn't want this feeling of being cared like this to end. I feel she's a flirt and wants to be cared about by both of them to feel human and important not involving alien invasions and terraforming plots. How do we even know that April fully knows that Donny "likes her" in that way still, though? Donnie hasn't been as obvious around her, imo, not like how he was in season 1. I also don't feel she's leading either on. She doesn't like them in that way and hasn't really done anything to say or show otherwise. She's given friendly hugs and friendship kisses when happy, but that's all. How is she leading either on and how exactly is she a flirt?It's like her drug per say, she doesn't want it to end so she continues to do it, no matter how wrong she feels it may become. She wants to continue feeling special by two people she cares about and who care about her back. Because as soon as she stops, she'll remember how much of an inhuman life she has.Seriously, I truly just don't see her in this way at all. I don't feel she's leading either boy on and I don't feel she's a flirt.

[Creativecreature31]

How do we even know that April fully knows that Donny "likes her" in that way still, though? Donnie hasn't been as obvious around her, imo, not like how he was in season 1. I also don't feel she's leading either on. She doesn't like them in that way and hasn't really done anything to say or show otherwise. She's given friendly hugs and friendship kisses when happy, but that's all. How is she leading either on and how exactly is she a flirt?Seriously, I truly just don't see her in this way at all. I don't feel she's leading either boy on and I don't feel she's a flirt.

To be fair, in "Wormquake/The Manhattan Project" she kinda WAS being a flirt towards Casey...


My question about Casey's treatment of Irma though, is why the heck is April NOT even trying to stand up for her friend? -_-

[ssjup81]

To be fair, in "Wormquake/The Manhattan Project" she kinda WAS being a flirt towards Casey...She was? Could you refresh my memory please? I'm not doubting or anything, I just don't remember.My question about Casey's treatment of Irma though, is why the heck is April NOT even trying to stand up for her friend? -_-Yeah, it is a bit strange, unless it's a situation where neither she nor Irma take anything Casey says at face-value or seriously.

Edit: Oh, Casey did say Irma was "nasty". I wonder if that came to mind because he saw Splinter when he woke up or was still delusional from falling off of a building. Casey still has a strong fear of rats. Irma likes rats. She talked about rat droppings. That is a bit...well..icky. For all we know, she may talk about rats passionately or something. You saw how he reacted to Mikey's liking of rats. He thought he was loopy.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I'd imagine it's because Irma tends to pick on Casey occasionally as seen in "The Good, the Bad, and Casey Jones". It also has to do with the fact that he feels that she gets in the way of being alone with April, like everyone else says. From her point-of-view, she might see him as a school jock who attempts to flirt with girls and does not want April to fall for those type of men who may also get in the way of her studies.

[Stugehen]

I think the answer is simple. Casey doesn't like having Irma there because he wants a chance to move forward romantically with April. It's a real shame too because Irma seems like a pretty cool person in this continuity.

[BabyTurtles]

She was? Could you refresh my memory please? I'm not doubting or anything, I just don't remember.Yeah, it is a bit strange, unless it's a situation where neither she nor Irma take anything Casey says at face-value or seriously.



I'll just quote the scene since I have the episode on I-tunes

episode: Wormquake
*Casey and April are on the rooftops

Casey: so April vigilanti-ing...is cool and all but how bout a real date?
April: what do you call this~?
Casey: I was thinking something a little cozier....you, me (puts hand on her shoulder)
April: (smiles~)

yea....I think that was flirting. :ohwell: she seemed totally cool with Casey all close to her.

oh found a picture

https://31.media.tumblr.com/0104ee381fb045b11c34bfa272575058/tumblr_n1tdkfGzy41r7hwpmo4_500.png

[ssjup81]

I'll just quote the scene since I have the episode on I-tunes

episode: Wormquake
*Casey and April are on the rooftops

Casey: so April vigilanti-ing...is cool and all but how bout a real date?
April: what do you call this~?
Casey: I was thinking something a little cozier....you, me (puts arm around her shoulder)
April: (smiles~)

yea....I think that was flirting. :ohwell: she seemed totally cool with Casey all close to her.Oh yeah, I did forget about that. Everything else in that ep was so cool, that completely slipped my mind. She was being flirty there...unless she was trying to turn him off from her? Nah, I doubt it, but Casey did ask for a real date and that was her idea of one. lol

[TheJ-manTurtleMan]

He probably thinks she's ****blocking him to keep him from April

^here's your answer.

[kolaida]

Because he feels like she's in the way. I mean, if you wanna make out with a chick at the movies, how awkward to have her friend there? And Irma seems to be pretty opinionated And speaks her mind. She's downing his vibes, crushing his mojo, etc.

[pennydreadful]

I'll just quote the scene since I have the episode on I-tunes

episode: Wormquake
*Casey and April are on the rooftops

Casey: so April vigilanti-ing...is cool and all but how bout a real date?
April: what do you call this~?
Casey: I was thinking something a little cozier....you, me (puts hand on her shoulder)
April: (smiles~)

yea....I think that was flirting. :ohwell: she seemed totally cool with Casey all close to her.

oh found a picture

https://31.media.tumblr.com/0104ee381fb045b11c34bfa272575058/tumblr_n1tdkfGzy41r7hwpmo4_500.png

Ugh - NickCasey just makes my skin crawl, I'm sorry. I know he's a teenager but he just comes off as a hormonal little grub. For someone who has (what's coming off as) such a lack of patience towards nerdy types, it seems out of place for him to be macking on April so heavily; as we've seen, she's not exactly popular and is in fact a nerd type herself given that she's supposed to be tutoring him. It makes me feel like he's got a real "oh those other nerds suck - but you're ok cuz you're hot" kind of attitude.

If we get some better characterisation, I'll probably warm up to him but as it stands all we really see of NickCasey is him slobbering all over April, or teaming up with Raph and being super-cocky/downright arrogant. It's not really winning me over at this stage.

All purely my opinion but that's how he's coming off to me. He's lacking in charm. A scene showing him leaving the house saying goodbye to his little sister or something would flesh him out a bit more and show that he has some heart beneath his brash exterior.

[BabyTurtles]

I feel like Casey didn't like Irma long before he got to know April XD....

[Shark_Blade]

Casey lost his virginity to Irma, but then she left him.

So now he's all hell bent despising her everytime he sees her. You'll never forget your first time.

[pennydreadful]

Casey lost his virginity to Irma, but then she left him.

So now he's all hell bent despising her everytime he sees her. You'll never forget your first time.

:lol::lol::lol:

[kolaida]

Casey lost his virginity to Irma, but then she left him.

So now he's all hell bent despising her everytime he sees her. You'll never forget your first time.

LOL!!!!:tlol: I love this one, this has to be it! :tgrin:

[ssjup81]

Well then, that explains everything. Irma burned him! Oh oh! I know what it is! He is actually still in love with her and is still trying to move on, but can't because Irma will always be in the way and on his mind. :lol:

[Leofan26]

Sadly it is cuz she gets in the way of his alone time with his precious April :roll:

I feel bad for Irma, we don't see much of her and she's always teased and picked on by the people she hangs out with.

[Luckyday]

Pretty much, I feel she does this because this is her way to feel human, and doing this is her way to feel like she's living a normal life. I feel she likes the fact that Donnie and Casey both like her, and why she continues to lead them both on because she doesn't want this feeling of being cared like this to end. I feel she's a flirt and wants to be cared about by both of them to feel human and important not involving alien invasions and terraforming plots.

It's like her drug per say, she doesn't want it to end so she continues to do it, no matter how wrong she feels it may become. She wants to continue feeling special by two people she cares about and who care about her back. Because as soon as she stops, she'll remember how much of an inhuman life she has.

That may be the saddest thing that I have ever heard and possibly the most infuriating. Is this how girls really think? Do they really feel most value as a human being when they being sought after by guys or is it wish thinking by male writers? Seriously, can someone please explain this idea because it feels so alien.

[Venom]

Casey lost his virginity to Irma, but then she left him.

So now he's all hell bent despising her everytime he sees her. You'll never forget your first time.

Heh, this was actually similar to what I thought. That or Irma is keeping consistent character by being easy.

Heh heh, aw right! *bobs head*

[BubblyShell22]

As others have said, because he wants alone time with April. The idea of Irma once dating Casey and turning him down is a pretty intriguing theory though. And since she's the nerdy type, she probably talks about disgusting stuff Casey doesn't want to hear about while out with April.

[Metalwolf]

That may be the saddest thing that I have ever heard and possibly the most infuriating. Is this how girls really think? Do they really feel most value as a human being when they being sought after by guys or is it wish thinking by male writers? Seriously, can someone please explain this idea because it feels so alien.That would be alien to me too, and I'm a girl. Usually when a girl thinks like that she must be one of those girls that has issues with co-dependency or something.

But no, that isn't how most girls think.

[Ninjawolf]

Like others said probably annoyed she keeps cockblocking him... to be fair back in Wormquake April seemed okay when she thought Casey was groping her... I mean seriously her entire reaction was 'not now Casey' if it was anytime else she probably wouldn't have minded...

[plastroncafe]

That may be the saddest thing that I have ever heard and possibly the most infuriating. Is this how girls really think? Do they really feel most value as a human being when they being sought after by guys or is it wish thinking by male writers? Seriously, can someone please explain this idea because it feels so alien.

This would be how some guys think most girls think.
It might even be how some girls think, but I blame both of those opinions on the prevailing cultural attitude that a woman's only use is as an object.

[ssjup81]

That would be alien to me too, and I'm a girl. Usually when a girl thinks like that she must be one of those girls that has issues with co-dependency or something.

But no, that isn't how most girls think.This concept is also alien to me, and I'm female. I can't even fathom this.

[Metalwolf]

Casey lost his virginity to Irma, but then she left him.

So now he's all hell bent despising her everytime he sees her. You'll never forget your first time. No offense, but not everybody likes those kinds of jokes. They often come off as virulently tasteless and immature, and I can't find myself respecting a poster for a long time after they make such a one.


Anyway, maybe April has Irma along because she doesn't want Casey to pester her like that. I'd do the same thing if a guy kept pestering me 'for a date' and I wasn't interested in him, and that him feeling resentful might put him and me in danger if he's having those feelings during a fight.

I'd rather she just up and say that's she's not interested in him, because this nagging Casey and his pushiness is getting on my nerves.

[BubblyShell22]

I didn't think SB's joke was offensive at all. It was funny to me.

As for the whole co-dependency thing, I've never felt like that at all in my relationship, but that doesn't mean that all girls are like that.

[TMNTmousers]

Maybe it a running gag in the show with Casey complaining about Irma all the time, I remember the 2003 series where the turtles would say all the time New Jersey would go first etc.

[Electric]

I really think this whole Casey disliking Irma think is being blown up a bit. From what we've seen, Irma seems to have a very odd, know it all kind of personality, like when she was interrogating Casey about the ice rink, or talking about rats. Casey, while yeah he's rude, has only been shown to have bad encounters with Irma (her interrogating, her going on what he thinks are his and Aprils dates) and seems to have interests completely opposite of her. So it's not out of place for Casey to dislike her.

While we all seem to feel bad for Irma being left out, at the same time Casey and April are just trying to keep the turtles secret, so it's not their place to tell her.


As for Casey's characterization, yes he has been portrayed as extremely into April, but I don't think you can say that's the only characterization he has. Not at all. He's been "fleshed out" in the good bad and Casey jones. Talking about how he's defending the people he cares about. In no part of that episode was Casey drooling over April. He's an aggressive kid with a temper, who's untrained, a little careless, but protects the people he cares about. That's his character.

I hate when people say that these love interest define the characters. Donnie April and Casey have all been given decent characterizations. The love interest are only a small part of them.

[Metalwolf]

I didn't think SB's joke was offensive at all. It was funny to me.

As for the whole co-dependency thing, I've never felt like that at all in my relationship, but that doesn't mean that all girls are like that.To each his own I suppose; I just never found that sub-topic of sexual humor to be funny. Give me a good dead baby joke and I'll laugh, but I think that would be too much for other people, just as the 'losing one's virginity' jokes tend to be for me.

I hope they make April say her piece to both Donnie and Casey, this 'love triangle' business is starting to get on my nerves. I'm hoping she decides to go for Donnie after all, as this CaseyXApril thing is overdone by now and dully predictable, and it would be good to have a change from time to time.

[Electric]

That may be the saddest thing that I have ever heard and possibly the most infuriating. Is this how girls really think? Do they really feel most value as a human being when they being sought after by guys or is it wish thinking by male writers? Seriously, can someone please explain this idea because it feels so alien.

This would be how some guys think most girls think.
It might even be how some girls think, but I blame both of those opinions on the prevailing cultural attitude that a woman's only use is as an object.

I do not at all believe they were referring to this because April is a girl. April is not human. Not because she's a girl, she's a mutant. Having Casey like her and not being able to pick between Donnie and him makes her feel human because she isn't. It makes her feel cared for, not because she's a girl, because she's been kidnapped by aliens, lost her dad, twice, been attacked by ninjas, and discovered her mother was experimented on. Having two people that care about her crush on her just makes her feel normal, because it's something most teenaged experience, guys and girls both.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone in any way, but I hate when feminism is unnecessarily brought up it places where there truly isn't an issue. I get that yeah, our culture isn't the best towards woman, and that there are some major issues out there. But saying that anything involving a girl is a result of cultures attitude towards women bothers me, not because im against it, but because it's unnecessarily criticizing males and our culture.

[pennydreadful]

I really think this whole Casey disliking Irma think is being blown up a bit. From what we've seen, Irma seems to have a very odd, know it all kind of personality, like when she was interrogating Casey about the ice rink, or talking about rats. Casey, while yeah he's rude, has only been shown to have bad encounters with Irma (her interrogating, her going on what he thinks are his and Aprils dates) and seems to have interests completely opposite of her. So it's not out of place for Casey to dislike her.

To me, it's coming off as if Casey's being a bit of a wad. I don't dislike people just because they have different interests, and even if someone's social interaction style is a bit stilted, that's not a reason to refer to someone as "nasty". I get that they're teenagers and teenagers are immature and judgy, but come on - you can be civil to a mutant turtle, but not a socially awkward teenage girl?

I'm sorry if this offends anyone in any way, but I hate when feminism is unnecessarily brought up it places where there truly isn't an issue. I get that yeah, our culture isn't the best towards woman, and that there are some major issues out there. But saying that anything involving a girl is a result of cultures attitude towards women bothers me, not because im against it, but because it's unnecessarily criticizing males and our culture.

... hooboy. All I'm gonna say here is that just because you don't see an issue, doesn't mean it isn't there. Toxic cultural and societal attitudes should always be criticized. And sometimes it's really hard for a person not to get angry about things when there's so much awful, horrible stuff in the world that many of us feel powerless to change. Myself included.

I get that you're not trying to be offensive - honestly, I don't want to start a feminism face-off or derail the thread. :) Just had to add my two cents.

[Luckyday]

Would it better to talk to someone who been through the motions like Master Splinter, who was human but still tries to be human in some ways? Talking to someone that has been there is sort of the first thing you would do as a human being to feel normal.

[Rooish]

Casey dislikes Irma because this show loves every opportunity to reinforce the status quo and ridicule nerdy types. Also all the reasons everyone else said.

I don't know why April is written as leading on Casey and Don, but that's probably just what male writers think women like to do, when really the woman is a) interested but not wanting to go as fast as the guy is, b) not interested but being polite or friendly because in our culture women are socialized not to outright reject people. In this show it appears that April may have a small crush on Casey and considers Don as just a friend, but she seems to like kissing him a lot although she knows he loves her. I'm pretty sure most women do not enjoy leading on people they are not attracted to because then they get tons of attention from someone they don't want it from.

And it was highly disturbing, how understated April's reaction was to thinking Casey was groping her.

[BubblyShell22]

I don't think she's totally leading them on, but I do think she's confused as to who she likes more, so it's hard for her to choose. We know that in the end she'll have to choose one of them, but for now, she can't decide who it is.

[pennydreadful]

I don't think she's totally leading them on, but I do think she's confused as to who she likes more, so it's hard for her to choose. We know that in the end she'll have to choose one of them, but for now, she can't decide who it is.

... she should choose Irma. :lol:

[Creativecreature31]

... she should choose Irma. :lol:

The Best comment made here so far.

[BubblyShell22]

As much as that would be cool, we know that won't happen at all in this show as too many conservatives would throw a b*tch fit.

[ssjup81]

I hate the fact that people say that April is leading Donnie and Casey on and I guess it's because I just don't see it.

[pennydreadful]

As much as that would be cool, we know that won't happen at all in this show as too many conservatives would throw a b*tch fit.

Well, there's always Tumblr... and fanart. :P Besides, if Casey's gonna rag on Irma anyway, she might as well really give him something to complain about! :lol:

[BubblyShell22]

Don't forget fan fiction, too, Penny.

[plastroncafe]

I'm sorry if this offends anyone in any way...

No you're not.

I do so appreciate how you go on to say that you admit that feminism is necessary, but that you don't like it because it hurts your feelings.

You know what hurts my feelings?
That in this day and age we still need a social movement to introduce and reinforce the basic notion that women are people deserving of what should be basic human decency.

It hurts my feelings to come onto a board for a property aimed at children and seeing adults say that a female character is leading on two male characters because she hasn't "chosen" one of them yet, as if choosing neither of them wasn't an option.

Because it's not, not really. Not in our fiction.
The girl HAS to choose a boy, otherwise...why have the girl there at all?
That's what girls are for, right? To be the good girl, the bad girl, or the shrew.
And oh look, those are the same three female characters we have on Turtles.

April, Karai, and now Irma.

Casey hates Irma because he sees her as getting between him and April.
Because April invited her on what Casey thought was a date, clearly indicating that April...DOES NOT WANT TO DATE HIM. And yet...he's angry at Irma because he's oblivious to the fact that April just turned him down.

[The-Shredder]

Because she has a horrible taste in fashion?

[Creativecreature31]

Hey Irma has great taste in clothing! XD

Casey should talk with all that clashing paint on his clothes! U_U

[ssjup81]

Because she has a horrible taste in fashion?I almost forgot this was why Casey dislikes Irma. When I saw your comment here, my mind jumped to April. lol I like Irma's style.

[DarthEmpress]

No you're not.

I do so appreciate how you go on to say that you admit that feminism is necessary, but that you don't like it because it hurts your feelings.

You know what hurts my feelings?
That in this day and age we still need a social movement to introduce and reinforce the basic notion that women are people deserving of what should be basic human decency.

It hurts my feelings to come onto a board for a property aimed at children and seeing adults say that a female character is leading on two male characters because she hasn't "chosen" one of them yet, as if choosing neither of them wasn't an option.

Because it's not, not really. Not in our fiction.
The girl HAS to choose a boy, otherwise...why have the girl there at all?
That's what girls are for, right? To be the good girl, the bad girl, or the shrew.
And oh look, those are the same three female characters we have on Turtles.

April, Karai, and now Irma.

Casey hates Irma because he sees her as getting between him and April.
Because April invited her on what Casey thought was a date, clearly indicating that April...DOES NOT WANT TO DATE HIM. And yet...he's angry at Irma because he's oblivious to the fact that April just turned him down.

You hit the nail on the head. Casey's very clear that he wants to date April and April knows that, but she keeps bringing Irma along. Why? Because she doesn't want to date him. In a previous episode when she says to Irma she's going to be late for her date with Casey, Irma's like "you expect me to believe that?" Regardless, April still seems amused over Casey calling all their outings a date (she's always smiling when she says "who said this was a date?").

I have no idea where they're going with this whole love triangle thing, but I'm really disappointed in how Casey's acting towards Irma. And how April's acting towards Irma as well.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, it's not like women can be single these days. I always have hated the notion that a woman's role in society is to get married and have children and that's all she's good for in society. I wouldn't mind if April decided not to date either of them if she really felt she didn't want to date either of them. I do like Apriltello, but I wouldn't be upset if April decided to stay single for a time, and I think that's what she wants to do.

[electric_sheep]

I read it as "why you dislike Casey and Irma" and i had this long rant in my head about how they suck in this version but then i realised that i read it wrong, well ****.
I will save it for some other thread....

[Metalwolf]

You go Plastron! :D


You hit the nail on the head. Casey's very clear that he wants to date April and April knows that, but she keeps bringing Irma along. Why? Because she doesn't want to date him. In a previous episode when she says to Irma she's going to be late for her date with Casey, Irma's like "you expect me to believe that?" Regardless, April still seems amused over Casey calling all their outings a date (she's always smiling when she says "who said this was a date?").

I have no idea where they're going with this whole love triangle thing, but I'm really disappointed in how Casey's acting towards Irma. And how April's acting towards Irma as well.

Yeah, it's not like women can be single these days. I always have hated the notion that a woman's role in society is to get married and have children and that's all she's good for in society. I wouldn't mind if April decided not to date either of them if she really felt she didn't want to date either of them. I do like Apriltello, but I wouldn't be upset if April decided to stay single for a time, and I think that's what she wants to do.That is the issue that I bring up in concurrence with the others. A woman in popular fiction is rarely ever allowed to be single. Whether it is the common male-female route or the more rare and controversial female-female route, she is rarely allowed to be alone and must *always* be paired up with someone.

It's why I always advocate at least for more single female characters, as it allows the writers to attempt to have a woman character's arc not end in the default marriage and babies, but what the male's often ends up, as either villain, hero, or tragedy. It's not because the woman's is somehow less interesting, but that it gives her a chance to have a destiny not predicated on her reproductive organs and a default societal expectation, but more on her character, flaws and person-hood.

I like the idea of Apritello (as it's not the usual boring AprilxCasey) and I also like the idea of an independent April who doesn't need a man to define who she is as a character. It just makes things a bit more... unpredictable :D

[pennydreadful]

Because she has a horrible taste in fashion?

*gasp* Lies and slander! Irma's fashion sense is impeccable. (The fact that my hair is also currently purple biases me not at all... :D)

Also mad props to Plastron, Bubbly, Darth and Metal for their comments - you guys rock. :)

[BubblyShell22]

Thanks, Penny. I'm in a relationship myself, but I don't want to get married or have kids because it's just not something I want to do or feel I need to do, and if my significant other can't respect that, then there's no sense in me being with someone like that. Luckily, he understands my reasoning and respects it, and that's all I ask. I just think it would be good for a woman to just stay single if she wants to. Nothing wrong with that.

Hmmm, maybe I'll write an original fiction that's devoid of romance. That would be something we've never seen before.

[Metalwolf]

Hmmm, maybe I'll write an original fiction that's devoid of romance. That would be something we've never seen before.That's what I do. I don't put my female characters in relationships nor make have them have babies, so it's awesome to have another female author that doesn't have her female characters check off the traditional boxes. :)

[Sighphi]

Because Jones is secretly a nerd that is acting like a cool kid.
He actually lost his teeth being beat up by bullies. When his family moves to NYC he decided to act like some hardcore Hockey player but he is still a nerd at heart. He tries to go out with April cause she seems like a cool girl but he is in fact attracted to Irma. He likes her so much he cant stand being near her. He really, really wants Irma.

[BubblyShell22]

That's what I do. I don't put my female characters in relationships nor make have them have babies, so it's awesome to have another female author that doesn't have her female characters check off the traditional boxes. :)

I don't mind having my characters have romance if the situation calls for it, but I certainly handle it in a slow way. I'm definitely going to eventually write a fan fiction (TMNT of course) where the female protagonist isn't involved with any of the boys or Splinter and is just a friend of theirs. Not sure when I'll write it, but I'd like to just to show that not every female needs to be in a relationship.

[Luckyday]

Thanks, Penny. I'm in a relationship myself, but I don't want to get married or have kids because it's just not something I want to do or feel I need to do, and if my significant other can't respect that, then there's no sense in me being with someone like that. Luckily, he understands my reasoning and respects it, and that's all I ask. I just think it would be good for a woman to just stay single if she wants to. Nothing wrong with that.

Hmmm, maybe I'll write an original fiction that's devoid of romance. That would be something we've never seen before.

You'll have to write something plot heavy with some adventure throw in.:)