Is anyone else getting tired of the show?

[neatoman]

So for a while now I've been feeling a growing disinterest in the show. I liked the first season just fine as it had a decent flow to it and most episodes felt like thay mattered in the grand scheme. Season 2 on the other hand feels like it instead wants to introduce new characters and concepts with little or no regard to what was already there.

The Kraang seem like they're still around for some kind of misguided desire to keep a status quo as the only purpose they seemed to serve in this season was tying up the "what do they want with April?" (which they only spent one episode on really) and to supply more mutagen to earth otherwise their actions seemed random and pointless. I would have been fine with them sticking around for just those two reasons but they were in every other episode and each time their plans got more confusing than before and led nowhere. (There was a similar problem when Karai led the Foot).

I feel that a lot of these filler slots could have been used on expanding some of the season 1 characters that didn't get any time to shine instead of using the Kraang or the Foot as the villains as there are a ton of them who were only in one or two episodes but no, instead they opted to introduce even more characters and spend a bunch of other episodes on the main villains doing pointless things.

I don't know, maybe I'm just overly critical but does anyone feel like they're losing interest?

[Vicky82]

No defently not. The last episode has got me hyped up for wanting to know whats gonna happen next.

[rickwj324]

Loving it more and more each day. We re-watch the episodes more than any other show.

[victory_angel]

I do admit season two of Ninja Turtles has been lacking inspiration. The second season of Legend of Korra wasn't great either. But that doesn't mean the show is going completely down hill in a hand truck. This series has been picking up steam lately and there are some interesting things for the Turtles in the up coming season (Vision quests, new weapons and tactics, Northampton arc... to name a few.)

[Donatello19]

Not at all, I'm always excited to see what will happen next. I love this show.

[NinjaPug]

Sort of. I still love the show but I have found myself growing tired of almost everything Kraang related. Everything with that plot is still status quo and is in need of a major shakeup.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Yes, unfortunately. With the series being TMNT, I want to enjoy it as much as possible, but I'm losing interest due to the series feeling uninspired and unfocused. Casey Jones doesn't help either, I swear, I just want Raph to punch Casey repeatedly. IMO, this is the worst version of Casey ever.

The obvious OT references and elements, although good to start off with, just got repetitive and just seems like they are trying to turn this show into a OT remake.

This is all my opinion though. If you like this series and have no problems with it, then good for you.

[BlisterStockboy]

The first season of the show was absolutely fantastic and I made absolutely sure that I watched it whenever it aired (even if that meant getting up to watch it). This season, I have no idea when it even airs.. I've never even seen it promoted on Canadian TV, they only play Season 1 on re-runs.

To be honest, I haven't even watched all of the epsiodes, just the key ones (i.e, "The Good, The Bad, and Casey Jones", the first episode with Bebop, and "Vengeance Is Mine".) The story this season isn't too compelling. I don't really like how EVERYBODY is mutating. Like. We get it. Mutagen fell and stuff.. But can we just have a funny episode with some interaction between the characters? I'm all fine with dark episodes, but this entire season has been filled with lackluster jokes, and subpar villains (with a few exceptions).

I'm really looking forward to Season 3, as I hope there will be more Kraang and Dimension X, and I hope that they start having fun with the show again. Season 2 is pretty formulaic, which I don't like. I do however hope that the show lasts at the very least 5 years, because this is the best version of TMNT since 1996 in my honest opinion.

[pennydreadful]

No, not getting tired of it at all. Sure, Season 2 is suffering from growing pains, but the good stuff still far outweighs the bad. :)

[IndigoErth]

Nah, only thing I'm tired of is the breaks thrown into the middle of "seasons" and how little it's actually on tv compared to some stupid stuff Nick has on too often... I don't get that considering it's one of their top rated shows and makes it hard to catch a missed episode. Hate when it's not on in favor of something else...esp when that something else is a repeat. That's really the only annoyance/tire I feel about it, but not toward it.

[Midnight Mutant]

Not at all. I mean, season 2 of the walking dead was bad, but it gave us a lot of character development and lead ups. Season 2 of Korra was bad, but it gave us a ton of history. Season 2 of Fringe was a little more boring and random than season 1, but it was important

Sometimes a show needs a slower season for development as a whole, be it history, or character development, or even plot fillers so that the writers don't have to rush to write the main story.

As for the randomness, sometimes movies/books/stories do that to make the audience confused or throw them off before tying it all together. Sometimes what we FEEL is random, is more like an introduction or a pin in your mind like 'remember this for later, because it will be coming back.' I feel that's what Bebop and rocksteady's human introduction was. A pin. Then later, when they come back into the plot, it's not quite as random and the writers don't have to spend half an episode explaining who they are and why they are in NY.

You have to kind of look at it like a puzzle and for the love of science, have patience. The development is slow and shaky but if you pay attention, it does happen.

Now, if 5 season down the line, they never explain something that was happening in season 2 or 1, then yes, I can see how that is annoying, but, I honestly think they will tie most if not everything up eventually in this arc before moving to to the next arc.

So many people want it now, now, now, now, now and when something isn't explained immediately or a character doesn't develop as fast as they want or the way they want, it's like they drop the show. I don't understand that.

[CyberCubed]

The only thing I hope they do is tone down the mutants in Season 3. I hope this was only a Season 2 thing.

The other aspects is less Kraang and more scenarios outside of NYC but there's CG budget to contend with.

[Refractive Reflections]

I've been jilted by this show so many times, my optimism has been forced to be very cautious. Whenever they make decent episodes, 2-3 episodes later, they fall back into the cliche mutant plots, regress the characters' growth (particular with Nick Mikey), and seem to waste the opportunities in expanding the storywriting's depth.

From about halfway in Season 1 to "Pizza Face" of Season 2, many episodes were cliche using the "mutant of the week" plot, due to the whole mutagen spill second season premise being a too obvious plot device to have numerous mutants. (There was an article that states by the end of 2015 the Nick show has to have "advertised" over 65 action figures, which the Nick executive admits hasn't been done in most shows. Therefore it hampers the depth and detail of most characters in the storywriting since so many costumes/mutants have to be introduced into the show.)

While the last four episodes have been written well in my point of view, from "The Wrath of Tiger Claw" to "Vengeance Is Mine", it was desperately needed from making the entire second season painfully lackluster. If I wasn't a TMNT fan in the first place (watching out of curiosity now, more or less) and was a small kid, I would have already moved on from the show in Fall of 2013, because I wouldn't have the patience for it. The show may be on a slight current upswing, but it really has a long way to pull itself out of the ditch of poor storywriting it created for nearly one and half seasons.

One of its worst and obvious trite flaws is that if a significant villain or human character comes in, he (since there's only three significant female characters in the show) remains human for a few episodes, and then eventually becomes a mutant. Almost as if the show doesn't know how to expand on him, and decides to mutate him to "add" more drama. When the glow of the mutation is gone (approximately 2 episodes later), the focus of the shows shifts to another mutant and their new abilities/appearance. One thing I fear is that they may have done that with Karai, while underneath it all I wish they had not resorted to that trite stunt, at least the show added some dramatic weight and complexity to the daughter-father relationship by making her a predatory snake against Splinter. (Whether or not the show decides to use this opportunity to add a layer of psychological drama to the show and Karai's character... who knows...) I'm willing to give the show another chance, but this show doesn't have a good track record of keeping mutant characters interesting long after their mutation.

One huge example of this trite mutant formula is Bradford/Dogpound/Rahzar. There was a significant backstory for Bradford, which I compliment the show on, but that was during the early episodes of Season 1, and the show hardly seems to focus on his character now unless he gets mutated (into Dogpound or Rahzar). The fandom was squealing over how cool he looked for about 3 episodes after his mutation, but then their interest faded fast. I won't be surprised if TigerClaw is pushed aside like Rahzar, or mutated to continue the audience's interest in him.

[Xiewin]

It's not that I'm tired of the show, season 2 is just getting really boring for me.

[pingclang]

I still love it but thanks to the new time I can't catch it on and have to rely on Amazon or Youtube to get caught up. Really pisses me off with the new time.

[Leo656]

Not entirely, but I have no sense of urgency to watch it, either. I've long since stopped catching it when it's on and pick it up on DVD to watch at my leisure. The April/Donatello thing really got old fast, for me, and since I didn't care for how they did it I didn't really care how they resolved it. It does sort of have the same problem that Smallville had early on, with the whole "New character? Gee. guess who's going to be the villain in next week's episode!" kind of pattern they fall into.

I like it fine, it's just not entirely my cup of tea. I'm not the audience, though, so it's allowed, I guess.

[Xav]

No not really. Because I dislike the Kraang I'm actually happy they are focusing more on the Foot this season.
This series has been picking up steam lately and there are some interesting things for the Turtles in the up coming season (Vision quests, new weapons and tactics, Northampton arc... to name a few.)Really? Where did you hear about the third season?

[IndigoErth]

The only thing I hope they do is tone down the mutants in Season 3. I hope this was only a Season 2 thing.
Assuming you mean on the number of them, yeah they could back off on that a bit. I don't mine if there are more added now and then, but spread them out more over time.

Although I would like to see an adult female mutant show up at some point. Someone we won't know as a human first (only backstory flash backs), be an adult female figure in the Turtles' lives (not to mention April and Karai's, if Karai is good still/again) since there is no adult April in this one, AND give Splinter an adult mutant friend (platonic).

You figure, what other adult does Splinter know... his mortal enemy? Every adult needs at least one grown up friend. :)

[MrTMNT2012]

Korra's Season 2 is leaps and bounds better than Turtles Season 2 but I don't find it tiring as a whole. It's just certain episodes that are really tedious!

[victory_angel]

Really? Where did you hear about the third season?

There has been allusions and build up to the Turtle's being forced to grow up by losing their childhood home in up coming episodes. And the season is supposedly going to end with the Turtles fleeing the city.

And there is a concept art of the Turtles with their new weapons and gear in the TMNT: The ultimate visual history.

[snake]

A tiny bit. I'm sick of plot amnisia, I'm sick of The Kraang, and I'm sick of mutants. Season One was nearly perfect, while season 2 is a bit off. It's sad how the shows popularity is falling. I used to see kids wearing TMNT shirts all the time, not any more. And with Legend Of Kuro Kabuto getting a 1.9 in terms of ratings, Nick really needs to promote the show more.

[CyberCubed]

This thread seems to promote negativity. Majority of Season 2 has been good, people are just used to the antics of the show now whereas in Season 1 it was all new.

[Powder]

I share just about everyone's frustrations but I am in no way tired of the show. Tired of current plot devices/tropes, maybe. But all things pass in time. I have very high hopes for the climax of the season, & for what will happen in the next. Short of a few too many filler episodes & Karai's mutation, the show never really disappointed me.

[neatoman]

And with Legend Of Kuro Kabuto getting a 1.9 in terms of ratings, Nick really needs to promote the show more.

It's fading in popularity? Would seem like a waste of Viacom's money if the show wound up needing to be cancelled. An even worse scenario is that if it ends up being canned after the 4 season contract is up, we might never get more TMNT cartoons again seeing how the IP is owned by the network. It's not that big of a risk seeing how let's say Batman has pretty much always had a cartoon on for the past 22 years but the risk is there...

[CyberCubed]

It's fading in popularity? Would seem like a waste of Viacom's money if the show wound up needing to be cancelled. An even worse scenario is that if it ends up being canned after the 4 season contract is up, we might never get more TMNT cartoons again seeing how the IP is owned by the network. It's not that big of a risk seeing how let's say Batman has pretty much always had a cartoon on for the past 22 years but the risk is there...

What on earth are you whining about?

The show is renewed through Season 4 already. And it'll probably go on at least up to Season 7. The show is tremendously popular.

[Netkeeper]

And it'll probably go on at least up to Season 7.
No. I don't think I can take seven seasons of this.
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[CyberCubed]

I hope you're joking. The show changes with each passing season. I'm sure the Kraang won't be focused on for the entire run of the show.

[TurtleTitan97]

No. I don't think I can take seven seasons of this.
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No offense, but if you don't like the show, why keep watching it? Whenever I come across a show I can't stand, I stop watching it.

[terrorblade]

I think season 2 is much better than season 1. Wormquake, Wrath of tiger Claw and Vengeance is Mine are better than any season 1 episode.

[Leo656]

I just wanna give Netkeeper a big Thumbs Up on the Rarity meme. It's a way over-exaggerated statement all the same, I just like the way it looks. :lol:

[Zulithe]

Stick with the show, we know that season 3 is bringing some changes and that should freshen it up some.

I really like the show, I wish we had a greater sense of progression but they are still doing a fine job, and we gotta remember it's only 2 season in.

I want Nick to treat this show more like Legend of Korra, where you don't feel like the characters are stuck in this neverending loop of being frozen in time and battling enemies over and over. I want to see more of a plot unfold. Thankfully we DO have some very good story seeds planted all over the place, Nick can definitely do that with this show if they just push it a little further.

So yeah. We already have some clues about what Season 3 has in store, and that is the make-or-break season for me... if this show can't take all of those plot elements that have leaked and make something out of them and instead just puts the turtles back in the same sewer fighting the same enemies and struggling to meet the same goals by midway through the season, then I'll know they are just being lazy.

[pennydreadful]

I just wanna give Netkeeper a big Thumbs Up on the Rarity meme. It's a way over-exaggerated statement all the same, I just like the way it looks. :lol:

Rarity is the most fabulous pony. :D

[shuriken]

nope. I watch it on demand whenever I can and I find it thoroughly entertaining. With the exception of some episodes.

[BabyTurtles]

a little....season 1 treated everyone awesome....season 2...not so much.

but I'll keep watching it for now :3 season 2 might just be a little bit of bad luck.

[Casey]

Definitely depends what week you ask me. I like when shows have a finite ending planned and I wish season 3 would wrap it up, but that's the problem with American television. Make em till we hate em or lose interest.

[DVD]

Quite the opposite from getting tired of it.

I hadn't watched new ep's for a while (only got the internet hooked up last night) so I was watching older shows recently.
I put the first disc of Season 1 (Nick) on, and watched it all the way through.
I then watched all the other episodes over the next two days.
I hadn't seen most since first airings, and found that I really enjoyed watching them again. And I never grewtired of watching them one after the other. It was quite nice actually. Even my girlfriend sat through about three before getting up to do something else (I even found her laughing on occassion!!).
I loved the first half of the second season, and really looking forward to this second half this afternoon.

Personally, I think it has been well maintained as a series, and the entertainment value is 100% still there.

[snake]

Season Three will probably get rid of all those annoyances I have with the show.

[Leofan26]

I would have said yes, than Vegance is Mine got me excited again :D

Over all, season two was a major let down in my opinion. Too many fillers and they messed up Nick's Mikey pretty bad, thankfully it seems like or I hope from what it looks like the writers seem to be fixing that.

I wish they'd have focused more on the Shredder / Karai instead, oh well hopefully they do a better job with season three, thirds times the charm right? Well, it worked out that way for Legend of Korra any ways :ohwell:

[Werecat]

Maybe

Season 2 has amazing episodes though. The whole plot behind season 2 is a bit everywhere and inconsistent but I assume it is because it is introducing more characters. Once they are finished introducing the main bulk of characters I hope that is when awesome episodes will come. I will mention some great episodes in Season two.

The Good, the Bad and Casey Jones is so action packed, the train fight and the Raph vs Casey fight is well done! The movie reference with the title is sweet too.

Slash and Destroy is a well done episode. I loved how the dark scenes were contrasted by an adorable scene were Leo had to participate at a tea party against his will! Slash showed he was evil through his actions. Raph had to deal with consequences. It was a plot driven by the characters.

Newtralized was a great episode as well. Early dialogue between Raph and Slash foreshadowed the ending. Slash mentioned "I see you have a new partner, a human. Are you going to betray him as you did me?!" Little did he know that later on he will have to betray his partner. The episode explores the negatives of having Casey around but later on Casey has a chance to redeem himself. Most of the characters have a role to fulfill in order to unravel the plot as well as defeat the Newtralizer and the Kraang, basically having a chance to shine. Overall just a well done episode.

Sadly those are the only amazing episodes that come to mind. I assume it is because it is Raph centric and I am being biased. Or it could be because the episodes had very good writers.

Most of the episodes seem to forget the progress each character made and portray the secondary characters as paper tigers. For example; The Pizza face episode has a poorly done scene. It is the Mikey vs Pizzaface scene which is poorly done because Mikey overcomes his brothers and sensei too easily. So Mikey's brothers were portrayed as paper tigers to lessen their strength and capabilities so Mikey can easily defeat them. That is just poor writing.

I am not tired of TMNT yet because season two has some positives to balance the negatives. I still have lots of hope that better episodes are on the way.

[Eiko]

The only thing I hope they do is tone down the mutants in Season 3. I hope this was only a Season 2 thing.



Yes was thinking the same.

[Warhorse]

I do admit season two of Ninja Turtles has been lacking inspiration. The second season of Legend of Korra wasn't great either. But that doesn't mean the show is going completely down hill in a hand truck. This series has been picking up steam lately and there are some interesting things for the Turtles in the up coming season (Vision quests, new weapons and tactics, Northampton arc... to name a few.)

I put maybe, because sometimes I get a bit bored because the show has gotten so predictable, but once in a while, really good episodes will show up here and there. But, this is only the second season, and some of my favorite shows of all time had really crappy second seasons (Homicide Life on the Street, 24, Heroes) so, it has a chance to turn itself around next season.

But right now, I'm just tired of the Leo and Donnie show. There are two other Turtles on there, and it would be nice to have them depicted as more than just butt of jokes.

[Shark_Blade]

No.

I'm tired of negative threads like this though.

[Refractive Reflections]

What on earth are you whining about?

The show is renewed through Season 4 already. And it'll probably go on at least up to Season 7. The show is tremendously popular.

Citation please.

Uh CyberCubed... are you already forgetting the Nick TMNT ratings post (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1285887#post1285887), I had back on the Season 2 info thread? I know you immensely enjoy the Nick series CyberCubed, but let's not delude ourselves here. Presently, Nick TMNT has lukewarm popularity according to the numbers. Unless Nick TMNT can actually compete with Spongebob in terms of ratings (consistently stay around the top 2 spots in Nick's cartoon line up), using the term "tremendously popular" is exaggerating and inaccurate.

[kelligrafie]

No.

I'm tired of negative threads like this though.

This is the internet. It feeds off negativity. Don't starve the life force dude! ;)

While I think that there are certain aspects of the show that I feel could be improved, the real question here, are they genuine problems OR are they problems according to my own personal interpretation of where I feel/want the show to go?

So many people point out flaws in the show, but they might not necessarily be actual flaws, people just feel like they're flaws because that character or this storyline isn't to their own liking. Or because their favourite turtle isn't getting enough air time or 'treated properly'.


For me personally - I think there's too many characters that are introduced and then completely drop off the radar. I would rather that we have a smaller group of characters that get a lot more development where and when it's needed and THEN bring in new ones as they become more relevant.

I mean they've got Casey Jones and while he isn't in every episode - he's there in the action and he's getting proper screen time. Irma on the other hand is just filling gaps. I'd rather that they'd have kept her for season three, when she will hopefully become more prominent/useful, and spent more effort on the Karai arc. But that's just me.

[ObiWanFan4life]

This is the internet. It feeds off negativity. Don't starve the life force dude! ;)

While I think that there are certain aspects of the show that I feel could be improved, the real question here, are they genuine problems OR are they problems according to my own personal interpretation of where I feel/want the show to go?

So many people point out flaws in the show, but they might not necessarily be actual flaws, people just feel like they're flaws because that character or this storyline isn't to their own liking. Or because their favourite turtle isn't getting enough air time or 'treated properly'.


For me personally - I think there's too many characters that are introduced and then completely drop off the radar. I would rather that we have a smaller group of characters that get a lot more development where and when it's needed and THEN bring in new ones as they become more relevant.

I mean they've got Casey Jones and while he isn't in every episode - he's there in the action and he's getting proper screen time. Irma on the other hand is just filling gaps. I'd rather that they'd have kept her for season three, when she will hopefully become more prominent/useful, and spent more effort on the Karai arc. But that's just me.

I agree with this. While I haven't given up on the show, I feel like the second season has been one step forward and another step backwards. It has its moments, but if they don't get their act together in season 3, I might start to falter.

[kelligrafie]

I agree with this. While I haven't given up on the show, I feel like the second season has been one step forward and another step backwards. It has its moments, but if they don't get their act together in season 3, I might start to falter.

It's a very fine balancing act. Maybe they're just trying to please too much people and it's diluting the show a little.

[ToTheNines]

Sternin and Ventimiglia leaving the show hurt it for sure.

It's weird because literally every single episode of season 2 has been great, I think. And I can appreciate the fact that they didn't blow their load on big running stories immediately, but I was fairly frustrated with the mystery of April's powers after the season one finale... and now 22 episodes later, I just don't care as much.

Also, losing Biggs sucks. Hopefully Green pulls the character off.

[BubblyShell22]

Not at all. I love this show and definitely can't wait to see more of season 2 and what they have in store for season 3. I eagerly await new episodes and watch ones I've seen before to fill in the wait time because that's all I can do. Going to watch "The Manhattan Project" today.

[CyberCubed]

Think of Season 2 as an extension of Season 1's plotlines, which it was.

Season 3 will likely move the show in a new direction.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Think of Season 2 as an extension of Season 1's plotlines, which it was.

Season 3 will likely move the show in a new direction.

Which is probably why some are loosing interest, because it's too much of the same.

[psychturtle]

From a psychological standpoint, most everyone experiences satiation at some point with the show. The novelty has worn down a little. Yet, the show is still very strong. It's still a show for the family so some episodes focus on mini-plots in addition to story line. I think of episodes like pizza face as micro series like in the comic lines. T me, this show is still amazing, I don't kind the krang because I know the turtles van destroy them easily and it's fun for ke to watch them dismantle them.
Season two has had some GREAT moments. The slash story, larp turtles, karais arc, Leo starting to lose confidence will be HUGE down the line, etc. I hope they do the IDW line and come up with a 3 episode dark Leo arc.

[Electric]

I get where people are coming from.

But for me, I still love this show. While I'm not a fan of everything mutating this season, I know it's just the plot they're dealing with, and strongly believe that by season 3 it will tone down a bit and we'll get more development of characters we have.

I'm actually glad this show is taking it slower in terms of progression, as it leaves so much for them to cover in depth in the future.

I will admit, the filler episodes I don't immediately watch, I catch them when I can, at some point. But when they have incredible, deep episodes like vengeance is mine, I watch them as soon as I can, and I'm not disappointed. When this shows is good, it is GOOD. When it's not what I'd like it to be, I still enjoy it.

[kelligrafie]

When it's not what I'd like it to be, I still enjoy it.

That's going in my sig. And it needs to go into some sort of fan bible at some point.

[Midnight Mutant]

Definitely depends what week you ask me. I like when shows have a finite ending planned and I wish season 3 would wrap it up, but that's the problem with American television. Make em till we hate em or lose interest.Not all American T.V. shows. I know that Game of Thrones said they would cap it at 7 seasons.

I don't think they will pass season 7, maybe not even 5. I think since it has a story it will be more like AtlA or T.T. and end and not go on forever like Sponge Bob.

[Raven]

When this show is good, its great. When its bad, its just mediocre. The first season defiantly was a breath of fresh air for this franchise in the same way that IDW has brought the Turtles back from the dead.

Now that were almost finished with Season 2 I would say it has had a lot of high notes with episodes like "Slash and Destroy", "The Good, The Bad and Casey Jones" as well as "The Manhattan Project". But has suffered from some weird or not as well put together episodes like "Invasion of the Squirrelanoids", and "Fungus Humungous" were really low points for me in this season.

For me the highs have out weighed the lows of this current seasons. I've enjoyed the introduction of some classic characters and hints at what may come next. One of the favorite things to watch is the slow burn of some story lines that are still progressing from last season. Everything with Karai has been a great ride to experience and see were her character arc will take her.

I know quite a few have had misgivens with how this show has treated April and where they will be taking her arc. But honestly its better then a half cracked idea of her being a living drawing. I'm far more invested in this version then I have been in any other version to date. Plus their not throwing her out their like a ninja with the ability to fend off tons of enemies (I'm looking at you 2k7!) They've been slowly building her up so we can make a organic, natural progression with her.

Overall this show has had many great moments and really well done episodes. As their budget goes up so will the production, I am excited to see what the third season will bring and where they take the turtles. Just please no more episodes like Fungus Humungous.

Am I tired of this show? Not even close.

[kelligrafie]

But has suffered from some weird or not as well put together episodes like "Invasion of the Squirrelanoids", and "Fungus Humungous" were really low points for me in this season... Just please no more episodes like Fungus Humungous.

Can I ask why you didn't like those two particular episodes?

I actually rewatched Fungus today and really enjoyed it (again).

Did you feel that some of the fears were predictable or unrealistic (Donnie's being April hating him etc.)?

And same for Squirrelanoids, I thought that was a great episode.

[Autbot_Benz]

I love this show it is the best incarnation of the Turtles to date its a million times better than the goofy 80's cartoon. The turtles are darker and more serious shredder is actually a villain not a goofy sidekick like 80's shredder was.

I can't wait for later seasons. I just wish they kept Cowabunga instead of booykasha.

[MCLeo28]

Maybe

Season 2 has amazing episodes though. The whole plot behind season 2 is a bit everywhere and inconsistent but I assume it is because it is introducing more characters. Once they are finished introducing the main bulk of characters I hope that is when awesome episodes will come. I will mention some great episodes in Season two.

The Good, the Bad and Casey Jones is so action packed, the train fight and the Raph vs Casey fight is well done! The movie reference with the title is sweet too.

Slash and Destroy is a well done episode. I loved how the dark scenes were contrasted by an adorable scene were Leo had to participate at a tea party against his will! Slash showed he was evil through his actions. Raph had to deal with consequences. It was a plot driven by the characters.

Newtralized was a great episode as well. Early dialogue between Raph and Slash foreshadowed the ending. Slash mentioned "I see you have a new partner, a human. Are you going to betray him as you did me?!" Little did he know that later on he will have to betray his partner. The episode explores the negatives of having Casey around but later on Casey has a chance to redeem himself. Most of the characters have a role to fulfill in order to unravel the plot as well as defeat the Newtralizer and the Kraang, basically having a chance to shine. Overall just a well done episode.

Sadly those are the only amazing episodes that come to mind. I assume it is because it is Raph centric and I am being biased. Or it could be because the episodes had very good writers.

Most of the episodes seem to forget the progress each character made and portray the secondary characters as paper tigers. For example; The Pizza face episode has a poorly done scene. It is the Mikey vs Pizzaface scene which is poorly done because Mikey overcomes his brothers and sensei too easily. So Mikey's brothers were portrayed as paper tigers to lessen their strength and capabilities so Mikey can easily defeat them. That is just poor writing.

I am not tired of TMNT yet because season two has some positives to balance the negatives. I still have lots of hope that better episodes are on the way.

Wormquake, Wrath of Tiger Claw, Vengeance is Mine, Of Rats and Men, Metalhead Rewired, Mutagen Man Unleashed, The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman and Plan 10 (Another Raph-centric episode) doesn't come to mind?

[Werecat]

Wormquake, Wrath of Tiger Claw, Vengeance is Mine, Of Rats and Men, Metalhead Rewired, Mutagen Man Unleashed, The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman and Plan 10 (Another Raph-centric episode) doesn't come to mind?
The antagonists on those episodes just seem so silly. Vengeance is Mine is alright but the silly Karai design was anti-climatic. Her snake mutation has the threat level of a chihuahua, the design is just silly 'cause it seems like they just put breasteses on a snake and gave two extra heads and finalized it without questioning if her mutation seems intimidating. I mean come on, if she is supposed to be mutated into a mindless predator then she better look the part! They came up with Rahzar's cool design so I do not understand why they did not give karai a cool mutant design as well.

[Raven]

Can I ask why you didn't like those two particular episodes?

I actually rewatched Fungus today and really enjoyed it (again).

Did you feel that some of the fears were predictable or unrealistic (Donnie's being April hating him etc.)?

And same for Squirrelanoids, I thought that was a great episode.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of the horror genre, I can handle it in small doses. Thats more or less why those episodes felt flat to me (There probably great for those that love that genre).

[Ninjinister]

This is like the only kids' show on right now (other than Kung Fu Panda) that's not absolute horses**t. So no way.

[Netkeeper]

Why watch new shows when you can stream old ones on Netflix. :V

[MCLeo28]

The antagonists on those episodes just seem so silly. Vengeance is Mine is alright but the silly Karai design was anti-climatic. Her snake mutation has the threat level of a chihuahua, the design is just silly 'cause it seems like they just put breasteses on a snake and gave two extra heads and finalized it without questioning if her mutation seems intimidating. I mean come on, if she is supposed to be mutated into a mindless predator then she better look the part! They came up with Rahzar's cool design so I do not understand why they did not give karai a cool mutant design as well.

Tiger Claw is silly? He nearly killed the turtles on multiple situations.

How was Karai's mutation not intimidating? While I do respect that you don't like her design, saying she's not intimidating is a huge understatement. She literally jumped from the top of the vat of mutagen and managed to strangle Splinter in a split second. She also literally tore through the foot bots like they're nothing just by biting into the foot-bots with her extra-heads. It makes her more intimidating and gives her the upper-hand against opponents just with her lithe body alone. I think you're associating the design of a mutant with how intimidating they are which is false. Even Rahzar, one of the so-called mutants you respect is basically child's play at this point (strong edit :( )and is fodder for Mikey.

Even then, I can't believe Vengeance is Mine wasn't entertaining just because Mutant Karai's design was disappointing. I guess it's best to throw all character development out the window. There's a reason why "Mikey Gets Shellacne" isn't well received despite Rahzar's "intimidating" design.

[CyberCubed]

- The Kraang are getting very repetitive and too same-y in appearances. They really need to be defeated and retreat to Dimension X for a while.

- Far too many mutants. When they're taking the few last humans in the show and even turning them into mutants, it says a lot. I don't know why they think they can't write a show without mutants.


Look at Mirage, 4kids, IDW, hell even the original cartoon. They did not constantly face a new mutant every story.

[JH24]

Initially I may have said yes. But looking back at the episodes there still several of them which left a very good impression.

It mostly depends on what plot an episode is focusing on. Episodes focusing on the Foot/Shredder/Karai usually are very interesting, Kraang/mutant of the day episodes (just a personal thing) not so much. (There execeptions though like Metalhead Rewired and Newtralized)

I did loose some interest in the second half of season 2, but then we got episodes like "Wrath of Tiger Claw", "Legend of Kuro Kabuto" and "Vengeance is Mine" and I'm all on board again. This series still has the magic, but it depends on the plot and also the writer.


To be honest, I'm not always looking forward to Kraang-heavy episodes, no matter how well written because the Kraang themselves are lacking. (They're all the same, no development, stereotypical alien threat. Might have been interesting if there was some dissent between the Kraang or different factions) I rewatched Wormquake recently. Great episode and still one of my favorites, but skipping most stuff that's Kraang-related.

Maybe it's time for a change in enemy. Triceratons seem more interesting and I liked their portrayal in 2k3.

[ABrown]

To say that I'm "getting tired of the show" would kind of imply that at some point I truly loved watching the show. If anything, I've actually kinda come to enjoy the show a little more with the whole Karai story line going on from "The Wrath of Tiger Claw" through "Vengeance is Mine". It's been very enjoyable. Far more interesting than the mutant-of-the-week episodes.

Edit: Why is there a thumbs down sign above this post?

[plastroncafe]

I'm tired of the quality shifts from episode to episode this season, but not the show in its entirety. I can always go back and re-watch season one and fall right back in love.

Whether I'll continue with the newer seasons remains to be seen.

[Luckyday]

You could that season 1 was consistent in quality while season 2 has a mixture of both really good and really bad episodes in general.

[rickwj324]

Tiger Claw is silly? He nearly killed the turtles on multiple situations.

How was Karai's mutation not intimidating? While I do respect that you don't like her design, saying she's not intimidating is a huge understatement. She literally jumped from the top of the vat of mutagen and managed to strangle Splinter in a split second. She also literally tore through the foot bots like they're nothing just by biting into the foot-bots with her extra-heads. It makes her more intimidating and gives her the upper-hand against opponents just with her lithe body alone. I think you're associating the design of a mutant with how intimidating they are which is false. Even Rahzar, one of the so-called mutants you respect is basically child's play at this point (strong edit :( )and is fodder for Mikey.

Even then, I can't believe Vengeance is Mine wasn't entertaining just because Mutant Karai's design was disappointing. I guess it's best to throw all character development out the window. There's a reason why "Mikey Gets Shellacne" isn't well received despite Rahzar's "intimidating" design.

Don't forget the fact that she can spit venom as well.

[Metalwolf]

How was Karai's mutation not intimidating? While I do respect that you don't like her design, saying she's not intimidating is a huge understatement. She literally jumped from the top of the vat of mutagen and managed to strangle Splinter in a split second. She also literally tore through the foot bots like they're nothing just by biting into the foot-bots with her extra-heads. It makes her more intimidating and gives her the upper-hand against opponents just with her lithe body alone. I think you're associating the design of a mutant with how intimidating they are which is false. Even Rahzar, one of the so-called mutants you respect is basically child's play at this point (strong edit :( )and is fodder for Mikey.

Even then, I can't believe Vengeance is Mine wasn't entertaining just because Mutant Karai's design was disappointing. I guess it's best to throw all character development out the window. There's a reason why "Mikey Gets Shellacne" isn't well received despite Rahzar's "intimidating" design.I'm not speaking for the person you responded to, but for me her design just looked too weird looking to allow it to be intimidating. Mainly it was the snake-head hands, it would have been better if she had clawed woman-like hands or something, that would have been more scary looking without it ultimately looking like she has three heads (which would be technically true.) I can get behind something being threatening if the design doesn't make me shake my head at how stupid it looks.

And I wouldn't be surprised if they throw out some or most of her character development. They did it with Bradford when they made him Rahzar, now he's been acts more 'mutant' then 'Bradford.' They'll probably make Karai have all of these lame snake puns, refer to herself as a snake, etc. Stuff that removes the interesting tension between their human and mutant sides (Splinter's "I might not be human, but I still have my humanity" type stuff) and makes them look like they just unequivocally accept being a mutant with no qualms whatsoever. I expect that whatever Karai was, will be dead and 'replaced' by this new kewl 'I love being a mutant' version of her.


- The Kraang are getting very repetitive and too same-y in appearances. They really need to be defeated and retreat to Dimension X for a while.Yeah, I like them, but they've been a bit stale. I think it's long overdue for the Triceratons to show up.



- Far too many mutants. When they're taking the few last humans in the show and even turning them into mutants, it says a lot. I don't know why they think they can't write a show without mutants.


Look at Mirage, 4kids, IDW, hell even the original cartoon. They did not constantly face a new mutant every story.I agree. Do they even know how to make or keep a human interesting without resorting to that cheap shortcut that ends up being mutation in this show? They need to either develop the mutants they already have, or perma-kill them off/demutate them. I like mutants, but I will honestly admit I'm getting sick of them now.

[MCLeo28]

I'm not speaking for the person you responded to, but for me her design just looked too weird looking to allow it to be intimidating. Mainly it was the snake-head hands, it would have been better if she had clawed woman-like hands or something, that would have been more scary looking without it ultimately looking like she has three heads (which would be technically true.) I can get behind something being threatening if the design doesn't make me shake my head at how stupid it looks.

Meh, claws wouldn't have been unique IMO. I can't even imagine a snake having claws and just having extra snake-heads makes more sense. It's even more lethal as it can bite into their opponents and increases the chance of injecting venom into its prey. It was designed to be more of a predator against Splinter instead of having an intimidating design in general and in that regard, it succeeded.

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/180/e/3/tmnt_2012__karai_s_mutation_by_aamlfan04-d7ok5ca.jpg

Just look at the top-left picture. It seems clear to me that Karai's mutation was meant to be more elegant and fit her style nicely. Her grace and agility makes her more of a predator and a threat against Splinter as well as others in general. Like I said before, she is literally the fastest mutant we have seen as of right now. She literally moved from the top of the vat of mutagen to Splinter and strangled him in a split second.


And I wouldn't be surprised if they throw out some or most of her character development. They did it with Bradford when they made him Rahzar, now he's been acts more 'mutant' then 'Bradford.' They'll probably make Karai have all of these lame snake puns, refer to herself as a snake, etc. Stuff that removes the interesting tension between their human and mutant sides (Splinter's "I might not be human, but I still have my humanity" type stuff) and makes them look like they just unequivocally accept being a mutant with no qualms whatsoever. I expect that whatever Karai was, will be dead and 'replaced' by this new kewl 'I love being a mutant' version of her.

Not what I meant. It was more of a sarcastic response (My fault though since that's hard to catch on the internet) to the poster's argument. I don't understand how Karai's mutated design can detract from the overall experience of the episode esp. since there was a lot of character development revealed.

I honestly doubt Karai will be ridiculed like Rahzar and Fishface is. Most of the mutants in the show haven't even been nerfed as hard as those two have. If you want to be technical, you don't see Tiger Claw being ridiculed despite Tiger Claw literally being a Mutant Tiger in a cowboy/western outfit. I guess we'll have to wait and see though. Since Karai only retains a bit of her humanity, she would most likely love being a mutant and would reject being demutated because she doesn't really have a mind of her own anymore. It's more instinctive and she would have no clue whether to trust the Turtles or not. That just makes Splinter and Karai's relationship more disconnected.

[Werecat]

Tiger Claw is silly?
No, Tiger Claw is not silly because tigers are such beautiful, fatal attractions. The plot around him was silly. Silly does not equal bad. Silly equals silly, self explanatory.
How was Karai's mutation not intimidating?
Karai's mutation is not intimidating because she has a cone head, snake heads for hands, and breasts. The cone head is not scary and is mainly the most silly part. The Snake hands are unnecessary and a bit odd. The breasts on a snake is just silly, a female snake does not need breasts unless her mutation is meant for procreation purposes. Realistically, any female mutant would lose their breasts because they are not mutating for procreation purposes instead they are mutating into soldiers. Tigress and the female charr are excellent female anthromorphs that manage to show feminine aspects without resorting to no brain "Put breasts on everything" cliche . The cone head is what I dislike most! It makes her look so silly

Tigress is from Kung Fu Panda and the female charrs are from Guildwars 2, in case you did not know.

[ssjup81]

Did you feel that some of the fears were predictable or unrealistic (Donnie's being April hating him etc.)?To be honest, I think that the fear was legit. I think he feared losing April's friendship again and that she'll hate him based on what he is...a mutant. A "monstrocity" as both Falcor and April pointed out in the monkey ep. I felt his crush was secondary. My interpretation could be off, but at times I feel that he's the most self-conscious over being a mutant compared to the other three because he cares what April thinks of him.

Something else I found interesting was how Leo, Donnie, and Mikey had fears that developed after meeting April and getting involved with Shredder and the Kraang and makes me wonder what their fears would've been before then.

Mikey was almost killed by the Squirrelanoids. Leo worried about being a good leader wouldn't have come up prior to becoming leader I'm sure.And same for Squirrelanoids, I thought that was a great episode.I liked this ep too. I also liked the Shellacne ep. I thought it was a decent Mikey eps, although, I did find it strange that they needed a Centrefuge when Donnie had one in season 1.

[victory_angel]

Karai's mutation is not intimidating because she has a cone head, snake heads for hands, and breasts. The cone head is not scary and is mainly the most silly part. The Snake hands are unnecessary and a bit odd. The breasts on a snake is just silly, a female snake does not need breasts unless her mutation is meant for procreation purposes. Realistically, any female mutant would lose their breasts because they are not mutating for procreation purposes instead they are mutating into soldiers. Tigress and the female charr are excellent female anthromorphs that manage to show feminine aspects without resorting to no brain "Put breasts on everything" cliche . The cone head is what I dislike most! It makes her look so silly


The cone head I think was meant to resemble Karai's hair. Since her hair juts out into a point in back.

The snake hands have a weapon function because you can't focus on the three heads at once. Say you were focused on her actual head, then you'd have to lose focus on it to avoid a lunge by one hand. On top of this Kobra Karai can spit venom, so the hands are another means of poisoning someone. So in other words she can kill you just by grabbing you. True the same could have been done with poisonous claws.

As for the having breasts. Yes there are anthro characters that can be feminine without resorting to female body parts. But with TMNT it's necessary to indicate the character is female. Most mutants in TMNT are guys and female mutants are few and far between. The only female mutants to date Mona Lisa, Venus, Quarry, Alopex, Mezcaal and Koya. I'm not counting Ninjara because she is a famale non-human, not a female mutant.

Mona Liza and Mezcaal are of course well endowed chestwise. And FYI Mona Lisa was originally supposed to be a female Turtle, but both Eastman and Laird didn't like the idea. I don't think I need to go into Venus's plastron bon-bons

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130717171420/tmnt/images/thumb/b/bc/Monalisa1.jpg/247px-Monalisa1.jpg

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131110075344/tmnt/images/3/32/Mezz.jpg

Alopex yes she can carry the female traits with out resorting to having Fox tits. But even then there are moments you do see she has em. http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130808214515/tmnt/images/thumb/e/e4/2123082-alopex2.jpg/427px-2123082-alopex2.jpg

The last time there was an Androgynous Mutant on a TV series there was quarry. Every time we see her it suggests guy, the deep voice, the body structure, but then when Quarry turns into a human the Turtles are given the awkward surprise of learning he's really a she.

And I know Koya is supposed to be female, but who here hasn't honestly mistaken her for a him at first sight.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131219171939/tmnt/images/thumb/9/93/Tmnt_koya_by_mooncalfe-d6y00bq.jpg/320px-Tmnt_koya_by_mooncalfe-d6y00bq.jpg

So by and large, maybe having Sakarai having boobs is silly. But being one of the first female mutant's (Anthormorphicly female) we've seen in this particular series it is needed at a way of identifying that she isn't just another male mutant.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I think we are getting a little off topic with the whole female mutation thing.

Anyway, when it comes to TMNT, I could never get bored of it. Sure there's still a few problems I have with it but for the most part, the good outweighs the bad for me. I think the only way for me to get bored with this show is if it goes on for too long like say, Spongebob. I'd eventually want a new TMNT cartoon in the future because the fun of this franchise like every other comic book series is to see different takes on it. But for now, this show is no where near in danger of losing me. If anything, I just want to see the last four episodes of season two and await to see how season three will turn out.

[neatoman]

I think we are getting a little off topic with the whole female mutation thing.

Yeah it's probably best to steer away from it before this becomes one of /co/'s TMNT thread.

[The Fifth Turtle]

The only thing I hope they do is tone down the mutants in Season 3. I hope this was only a Season 2 thing.

The other aspects is less Kraang and more scenarios outside of NYC but there's CG budget to contend with.

I think that the amount of mutants has to deal with the abundance of ooze canisters floating around the city....I could be wrong though.

[Coola Yagami]

Mutants is what tmnt is all about and in the end you have to sell toys. Even when the 80s show stopped adding new ones, playmates kept cranking em out.

In fact I wonder how the final seasons were made without playmates pressuring then into throwing Walkabout and Half Court in there.

[Coola Yagami]

As for my thought on the show... I kinds lose interest in the kraang episodes. I only care about shredder related episodes and any filler or extra ep that brings back a familiar character. Anyone else makes me roll my eyes and hope the following week will be about the foot again.

[CyberCubed]

I'm hoping the Kraang are defeated in the Season 2 finale episodes and they retreat to Dimension X.

We'll probably still see them in Season 3, but if they all pull out of Earth and are only in the Dimension X episodes it'll be better.

[snake]

Maybe the Triceratrons will defeat the Kraang due to being rivals or something.

[CyberCubed]

Maybe the Triceratrons will defeat the Kraang due to being rivals or something.

I'm hoping they replace them as the new alien antagonists.

[snake]

I'm hoping they replace them as the new alien antagonists.

Yeah. That would be great. I wonder if the Triceratrons will be named in this series, like Mozar or Traximus.

[BubblyShell22]

I definitely can't wait to see Triceratons for sure as they seem like they'll be pretty cool if done right. I'd love to see them take down the Kraang, too.

[Metalwolf]

Hopefully that is what they have planned for as a part of season three.