Amazing spiderman 3 delayed and in limbo?

[psychturtle]

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/roberto-orci-officially-leaves-amazing-spider-man-3-series-could-be-in-limbo-20140712

I'd honestly hope marvels studios can get the property back. Sony missed so many opportunities with this. Thoug the newer movies were fine, I thought they could have been so much better. Hope marvel gets him back in time for a cameo in avengers 4

[ZariusTwo]

Rushing out a shared universe is what led to this, trying to play catch up to Marvel's cinematic universe has already done a lot of damage to DC's movie market, everyone tripping up and trying to copycat is a trick the public can see straight through. Combine that with the franchise's current state (naff comics and cartoons) and all signs point to it needing a long rest, even if it does fall under the Marvel Studios umbrella one day, just don't oversaturate us with the same tired ideas.

On a side note, and to express an unpopular opinion...I know I'm not the only one who thinks Spidey being an Avenger has always been a horses*it move that goes completly against his urban hero/everyman roots. Hell the books where he's a father, and Stan Lee's newspaper strip, don't even acknowlege he became an Avenger in the regular comics.

[NinjaPug]

I hope they cancel everything related to this new movie universe they created (ASM3, Sinister Six, Venom). I will never stop hating on ASM2.

Who wants a S6 movie without Spidey in it anyway? Such a stupid idea to try and milk the franchise by expanding the universe.

I agree with you Zarius - I have no desire to see Spidey in an Avengers movie. I just want another good Spidey movie.

[psychturtle]

I don't mind him being in a team-up or in avengers,but I totally agree that we deserve a good spiderman movie. The dude has the best villains and has such a deep complexity.

[CyberCubed]

Does this mean Sony is selling the rights back to Marvel?

[snake]

Meh. I could care less. ASM2 was pretty bad.

[sdp]

There's no way Sony is giving back Spider-Man, in fact I'm surprised they gave back Ghostrider and Punisher. And it really is for the best that Marvel doesn't have Spider-Man, they already have too much in their hands, Marvel having all their heroes means less focus on the smaller heroes. We might have never had an Iron Man movie if Marvel had been in control of all their properties when they started their movie universe, and with all the rights the have now they can't make a movie out of everything, it really was best when different movie studios had different heroes. Spider-Man in avengers makes no sense except for the fact that he's int he same shared universe.

I haven't watched the Amazing Spider-Man movies but I heard both great things and terrible things, it really seems to be divisive. I didn't care much for the Raimi films, they're fine superhero movies but nothing amazing, I'll give the reboot a chance when there's more movies available and they're easily watchable streaming/netflix etc. Sony creating a "marvel universe" with only Spider-Man characters is difficult and would've been much easier with Punisher/Ghostrider and more entertaining, but it can still be fun since the Spider-Man universe is pretty big, I mean how many monthly comics does Spider-Man have? It could be the first Superhero character that gets to adapt the complex world they live in, instead of simplifying it for a movie. Same idea with Fox, now they want to try the shared universe with the new F4 movie but they could've started it a long time ago, I remember wanting to see some X-Men as background fodder in Sue/Richard's wedding in F4. They should've have let go of Daredevil. Especially since Sony/Fox let them go after the success of Avengers and during their plans of making their own "shared" universe. While DC is rushing their shared universe, they seem to be handling it in a different way, Man of Steel 2 is no longer a Superman sequel and it's now a DC Universe movie featuring Batman/Superman and JL coming next, so instead of starting out with each hero like Marvel and Sony/Fox seem to be doing, we'll start with a fleshed out DC Universe and then get individual films from there. If they make the Arrowverse in continuity then it'd work out even better.

[chrisdude]

I can't guess what they'll do. People would laugh at them for rebooting again. And if people don't care about Spider-man anymore, they sure won't care about the sinister six.

I'd love to see Spider-man join the MCU. That doesn't necessarily mean he has to join The Avengers, even if he does find himself involved in a big event.

[CyberCubed]

Do they have to reboot it? Just keep the same actor as Spiderman, and drop the "3" from the title, and continue from there.

[chrisdude]

Do they have to reboot it? Just keep the same actor as Spiderman, and drop the "3" from the title, and continue from there.Continue on to what, though?

[CyberCubed]

Continue on to what, though?

Any new story? Or do what DC is doing, having an "experienced" Batman in the new movie who doesn't start off at square one again.

[BabyTurtles]

Maybe it's time for a new Spiderman?? >3> Miles Morales anyone??

[chrisdude]

I really don't even have a suggestion. I can't imagine that people aren't tired of Spider-man.

Miles is a thought. I haven't read any of that, so I can't really speak to it. It would certainly be a way to shake things up. Right now, we're looking at the two weakest performing Spider-man movies, back-to-back. Whatever they do next, I do not expect it to be The Amazing Spider-man 3.

[Redeemer]

Continue on to what, though?

Death of Peter parker and bring on Ben Riley
Imagine the headlines :o
To have a major super-hero actually be killed off in his own movie on the big screen

[BabyTurtles]

I really don't even have a suggestion. I can't imagine that people aren't tired of Spider-man.

Miles is a thought. I haven't read any of that, so I can't really speak to it. It would certainly be a way to shake things up. Right now, we're looking at the two weakest performing Spider-man movies, back-to-back. Whatever they do next, I do not expect it to be The Amazing Spider-man 3.

Miles Morales is awesome! you should read his books!

He would be a great Spidey.....but Peter has to die for that to happen >:T
(if they were going to stick with the comics)

[TheBlueTurtle1]

To me personally the Sam Raimi trilogy was all that was needed. Sure I would have loved a 4th and 5th as they were going to do them, it's such a shame Sony wanted them rushed out. Toby as Spider-man catptured all the original charm and essence of the original comics that Stan Lee and Steve Dikto did together.

The reboot was so not needed just 10 years after the first film was made. The first half of ASM was utterly pointless.

They should just stop making Spider-man films all together for now. Then in many years time when we are ready make some more.

Unless of course they actually wanted to carry on with Raimi and toby and do a Spidy 4.

[Redeemer]

To me personally the Sam Raimi trilogy was all that was needed. Sure I would have loved a 4th and 5th as they were going to do them, it's such a shame Sony wanted them rushed out. Toby as Spider-man catptured all the original charm and essence of the original comics that Stan Lee and Steve Dikto did together.

The reboot was so not needed just 10 years after the first film was made. The first half of ASM was utterly pointless.

They should just stop making Spider-man films all together for now. Then in many years time when we are ready make some more.

Unless of course they actually wanted to carry on with Raimi and toby and do a Spidy 4.

Damn I cannot understand for the life of me why people love the Rami trilogy so much.....
You say spider-man captures the original spider-man, but Amazing spiderman more closely resembles the original concept.

Sam Rami
spider-man lacked web shooters and was lacking in the sarcasm department, Harry is his best friend???? What the Hell was that black thing in Spidey 3????Sure as hell wasn't Venom. Gwen stacey was just a bimbo.

Amazing Spider-man
Has traditional spidey sarcasm, Mechanical Web shooters, Spidey is actually resourceful and street smart, not just science smart. The Lizard was actually spidery's first villain. Gwen Stacey is actually smart.

I could on and on, but this is just my view. I feel like the Amazing Spidey series portrays a more traditional spider-man/peter parker and follows the universe more closely.
Sam Rami took some interesting liberties, but not giving spider-man that sarcastic side just killed the series for me personally and others I have discussed it with.

I have not seen Amazing Spider-man 2 so I cannot comment on that specific movie, but I will hopefully see it soon.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Damn I cannot understand for the life of me why people love the Rami trilogy so much.....
You say spider-man captures the original spider-man, but Amazing spiderman more closely resembles the original concept.

Sam Rami
spider-man lacked web shooters and was lacking in the sarcasm department, Harry is his best friend???? What the Hell was that black thing in Spidey 3????Sure as hell wasn't Venom. Gwen stacey was just a bimbo.

Amazing Spider-man
Has traditional spidey sarcasm, Mechanical Web shooters, Spidey is actually resourceful and street smart, not just science smart. The Lizard was actually spidery's first villain. Gwen Stacey is actually smart.

I could on and on, but this is just my view. I feel like the Amazing Spidey series portrays a more traditional spider-man/peter parker and follows the universe more closely.
Sam Rami took some interesting liberties, but not giving spider-man that sarcastic side just killed the series for me personally and others I have discussed it with.

I have not seen Amazing Spider-man 2 so I cannot comment on that specific movie, but I will hopefully see it soon.

Just because the original trilogy didnt have Mechanical web shooters, is not a compelling argument. Tobys portrayal ressembles the Nerdy Lee/Dikto persona. Andrew Garfield felt more like a mordern comic book Spider-man and that is fair enough if you like that.

Sure there was a few strong links to the traditional spidy format in ASM , e.g Gwen being parkers first love etc , but overal the tone and vibe of Rami s Spidy is a lot better.


For the Record, I like AMS but just think the original trilogy is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

[ZariusTwo]

Maybe it's time for a new Spiderman?? >3> Miles Morales anyone??

People will just rebel against that. Miles is a niche character as it is, popular with the comics crowd, but nobody in the mainstream knows nor really cares.

Hell I'd love a film based off Miguel O'Hara and Peter and MJ's daughter Mayday, but for similar reasons they will never get highlighted.


Sure there was a few strong links to the traditional spidy format in ASM , e.g Gwen being parkers first love etc

A small correction: In the Lee/Ditko era, Betty Brant was Peter's first love (or at least crush)

[TheBlueTurtle1]

People will just rebel against that. Miles is a niche character as it is, popular with the comics crowd, but nobody in the mainstream knows nor really cares.

Hell I'd love a film based off Miguel O'Hara and Peter and MJ's daughter Mayday, but for similar reasons they will never get highlighted.




A small correction: In the Lee/Ditko era, Betty Brant was Peter's first love (or at least crush)


It never really manifested, but your kinda right I guess.

[NinjaPug]

The current producers said they'll never have Miles Morales be Spider-Man in their movies.

[chrisdude]

Well, they have to shake it up, somehow. You don't make two disappointing additions to a franchise, each making less and less money, then just try a third time. They aren't that dumb. Surely they don't want the rights to revert back to Marvel. How do you keep a franchise alive when you've tried everything? They could do a third one, and cut the budget, but that strategy may not work too well with a superhero movie.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I would love it if they had the 2 Spidy movies cross, have toby and andrew cross in to each others movies, it's a famous story arch. Heck they could even introduce a new potenial spidy lead for future movies. Could be a good way of doing it.

[shuriken]

^^Sounds like you're reaching, and a terrible Idea. (kinda cool for a comic though) I personally enjoyed all of the movies, even 3 was mildly amusing (terrible but amusing) I think having a sinister 6 movie and venom movie sounds stupid though.

[BabyTurtles]

People will just rebel against that. Miles is a niche character as it is, popular with the comics crowd, but nobody in the mainstream knows nor really cares.

Hell I'd love a film based off Miguel O'Hara and Peter and MJ's daughter Mayday, but for similar reasons they will never get highlighted.


I guess so....but Miles is gonna show up in the Ultimate Spiderman show soon
http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/9/c0/539f7df251fe0.jpg

Maybe that will get some of the kids familiar with him...

If Big Hero 6 turns out awesome....I wonder if an animated Spiderman movie would be awesome?? (but I hear Disney doesn't have movie rights to Spiderman or something....:-?)

[ZariusTwo]

I guess so....but Miles is gonna show up in the Ultimate Spiderman show soon

Yeah he will, and he was referenced in the show before by name in the first season, but I think that'll be the extent of it for now.

They almost made a cartoon of Spidey 2099 back in the 90s, but it was turned into Spider-Man Unlimited instead

[BabyTurtles]

Yeah he will, and he was referenced in the show before by name in the first season, but I think that'll be the extent of it for now.

They almost made a cartoon of Spidey 2099 back in the 90s, but it was turned into Spider-Man Unlimited instead

http://media.tumblr.com/dbffa8f1f849fa026a8f2442a3192989/tumblr_inline_mlkte9bfov1qz4rgp.gif

I just want a Miles Morales-something....

[Redeemer]

Just because the original trilogy didnt have Mechanical web shooters, is not a compelling argument. Tobys portrayal ressembles the Nerdy Lee/Dikto persona. Andrew Garfield felt more like a mordern comic book Spider-man and that is fair enough if you like that.

Sure there was a few strong links to the traditional spidy format in ASM , e.g Gwen being parkers first love etc , but overal the tone and vibe of Rami s Spidy is a lot better.


For the Record, I like AMS but just think the original trilogy is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

Sam Rami spider-man is only scientific smart, not resourceful like he should and has no sarcastic personallity what so ever which is a corner stone to Spidey's personality. In Amazing the sarcasm is actually a little over-done.

Amazing Spider-man resembles and mirrors the original spider-man closer than Sam Rami.
I think Tobi definitely has the look of the original hands down, but the writing and script made the character go away from traditional spider-man attitude.

[Andrew NDB]

Ouch, yeah... I didn't realize Amazing Spider-Man 2 did that badly compared to the others. It's literally the weakest film financially in the whole franchise, even including the Raimi ones.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Spider-Man

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Do you know what was lacking from ASM the most. The Daily Bugle. There is a certain recipe that makes a character who she/he is, and for Peter Parker it's the foundation of his cake.

[Andrew NDB]

Do you know what was lacking from ASM the most

Any kind of a movie that even remotely was more interesting to watch than the Raimi ones.

[Redeemer]

Ouch, yeah... I didn't realize Amazing Spider-Man 2 did that badly compared to the others. It's literally the weakest film financially in the whole franchise, even including the Raimi ones.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Spider-Man

I think that is attributed to two enormous facts.

The Sam Rami films had no competition from the super-hero community.
and two the Sam Rami films are released during the beginning of summer in june
and AMS series is being released in the first week of May.

[Andrew NDB]

I think that is attributed to two enormous facts.

The Sam Rami films had no competition from the super-hero community.
and two the Sam Rami films are released during the beginning of summer in june
and AMS series is being released in the first week of May.

And not the fact that they're awful?

[Redeemer]

And not the fact that they're awful?

I enjoyed the first AMS and thought it was the best spider-man movie sense Spider-man 1, but I have not seen the 2nd AMS movie so I cannot comment on it.

The problem I have is the 3rd movie left such a sour taste in my mouth. I also did not enjoy Spider-man 2 like everyone else did.

[psychturtle]

Spiderman needs a fresh take. I really wish marvel studios could somehow get ownership of ultimate spiderman and miles morales. Sony can keep Peter Parker.

This is what happens when one stio ones one character. The only thing they can do with him is make more movies. I think I read a while back that the guy who just left ASM 3 was hoping for crossovers with marvel. That's off the table with his exit.

I just hope marvel can get spidey back. They can relaunch spiderman once all of the current arcs are over.

[Peanut]

As someone who is/was a huge HUGE Spider-Man fan for all of my life I have this to say - f*ck Spider-Man. They've ruined every single god damned thing to do with him since the mid 90's. They have a few decent runs here or there in the comics, they had the short-lived Spectacular, even some of the movies had some decent moments, but none of it sticks! It always gets flushed, or rushed, or rebooted. I'm sick and f*cking tired of all of it.

If anything, they need to shut it all down and bury the brand for a few years. Rebooting it AGAIN, in any form, now or in the near future, is a sure-fire way to kill it faster. It is an absolute f*cking travesty what they've done to him.

[CyberCubed]

They reboot Batman constantly, why not Spiderman? WB pumps out one new Batman cartoon after another, and we're on yet another new Batman appearing in the next movie.

[psychturtle]

I don't think they even need to reboot it. They simply can do what the first batman films did and simp,y have a few flashback to origin story but keep the character in the present arc. I really want miles morales to make his screen debut.

[ZariusTwo]

As someone who is/was a huge HUGE Spider-Man fan for all of my life I have this to say - f*ck Spider-Man. They've ruined every single god damned thing to do with him since the mid 90's. They have a few decent runs here or there in the comics, they had the short-lived Spectacular, even some of the movies had some decent moments, but none of it sticks! It always gets flushed, or rushed, or rebooted. I'm sick and f*cking tired of all of it.

If anything, they need to shut it all down and bury the brand for a few years. Rebooting it AGAIN, in any form, now or in the near future, is a sure-fire way to kill it faster. It is an absolute f*cking travesty what they've done to him.

Rarely do we see eye-to-eye, but you are spot on with this.

[MikeandRaph87]

My opinion: No Jameson and The Daily Bugle and no Mary Jane to focus on a 40 year old tragedy that was predictable from the day it was revealed Stone played Gwen opposed to MJ. The Harry Psborn plot had a pair of key scenes edited out such as Norman telling Harry the truth about Peter and Harry telling Peter that Oscorp is watching him. Harry leading a Sinister Six especially when Doc Ock is involved? It doesn't work. Still 703 million is not a failure. Even if its the worst Spider-Man film it shows that an audience will go simply because its Spider-Man.

Here is an interesting article from The Motley Fool.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/07/14/why-the-amazing-spider-man-3-could-be-the-last-fil.aspx

[CyberCubed]

I wonder if Sony's dire financial troubles themselves is leading them to thinking about ditching the movie license.

Sony has been in dire straights for years, with many predicting their bankruptcy in the next couple of years.

[TigerClaw]

There are fans out there wishing that the Spider-Man rights go back to Marvel Studios.

[ZariusTwo]

Considering the best Marvel can do with Spidey is that god-awful Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, I'm in no rush to see them tackle him in a movie.

[CyberCubed]

I'd like to see Joss Whedon write a Spiderman movie.

[psychturtle]

I'd like to see Joss Whedon write a Spiderman movie.

This would be good.

[Candy Kappa]

The best thing to do with a Spider-Man and Avengers crossover movie would be this. In the background after a destructive action scene in the city, you see Andrew Garfield with glasses and a camera taking pictures of the Avengers during the aftermath of the conflict. No shared dialogues, no spoken lines for Garfield, he is just a background cameo. And maybe later he sits in a cafe drinking coffee with Stan Lee.

[Redeemer]

I wonder if Sony's dire financial troubles themselves is leading them to thinking about ditching the movie license.

Sony has been in dire straights for years, with many predicting their bankruptcy in the next couple of years.

Dire Financial straights????This is news, Link????

[arkangel]

The best thing to do with a Spider-Man and Avengers crossover movie would be this. In the background after a destructive action scene in the city, you see Andrew Garfield with glasses and a camera taking pictures of the Avengers during the aftermath of the conflict. No shared dialogues, no spoken lines for Garfield, he is just a background cameo. And maybe later he sits in a cafe drinking coffee with Stan Lee.

THIS. Subtle and perfect. :D

[NinjaPug]

Considering the best Marvel can do with Spidey is that god-awful Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, I'm in no rush to see them tackle him in a movie.

That piece of crap is all Jeph Loeb and Man of Action who have nothing to do with the MCU. That said, even if Marvel got the movie rights back they need to put the character on ice for a while. They need to distance themselves from the ASM universe for as long as possible.

[ZariusTwo]

That piece of crap is all Jeph Loeb and Man of Action who have nothing to do with the MCU

It might not be made by Marvel Studios, but it is a big indicator of what Marvel are capable of turning Spidey into with a hack like Loeb's lord and master Joe Quesada still holding the keys to the kingdom. Marvel under him have done everything possible to deconstruct that franchise all over the spectrum, not just with television, but with the comics too. They have substantially dumbed down the character over the years and, in cases like the Ultimate Universe, have done away with Peter completly (which seems to have worked out for them with Miles Morales)

So no, I don't trust Marvel at all with Spider-Man. They are not interested in handling him with care or even evolving him.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The best thing to do with a Spider-Man and Avengers crossover movie would be this. In the background after a destructive action scene in the city, you see Andrew Garfield with glasses and a camera taking pictures of the Avengers during the aftermath of the conflict. No shared dialogues, no spoken lines for Garfield, he is just a background cameo. And maybe later he sits in a cafe drinking coffee with Stan Lee.

Hey, that's a good idea. But the Andrew Garfield bit brings up an interesting question: if, by some miracle, Marvel got Spidey's rights back, and tied him in to the MCU - would you want it to be another new continuity, or would you want it to be a continuation of ASM's storyline? I think I'd personally want to keep all the ASM actors, but ditch the old storyline.