William Fichtner Not Playing Shredder

[Shark_Blade]

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According to Paramount and producer Andrew Form, William Fichtner is not playing Shredder. He’s playing Eric Sachs, who works for Shredder, but Shredder, who will be wearing a mechanized samurai suit in the film, is an entirely different character. There is some evidence to back this up – in the most recent trailer, Fichtner says to a shadowy figure, “We’re taking your armor to the next level.” It should be noted, however, that Fichtner himself told the press last year that he was playing Shredder, so perhaps there’s more to this story.



So no more "white washed" Shredder, or whatever the hell some people ranted before. :D

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Man, I don't know what in the world is going on with this movie. I bet at some point Sachs was supposed to be the Shredder, but they changed it.

At least they wised up.

[Bry]

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So no more "white washed" Shredder, or whatever the hell some people ranted before. :D

Can you stow the attitude, please? "William Fichtner is the Shredder" is exactly how it was presented to the general public by the actor himself, and the studio didn't correct it. The name Eric Sachs is even specifically an American sound-alike of Oroku Saki. People had every reason to take these details at face value, so the "nyah nyah, told you so" routine is uncalled for.

That said, it remains to be seen how this will pan out. "Sachs is the Shredder" could have been misdirection in the first place, or what the producer said here could be the misdirection as far as we know. No way to know for sure at this point.

[Le Glorieux Tortue]

So we see now that Oroku Saki just has a quirky thing where he only hires people with similar names to his

Derek Taki next in line!

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

hmmm not buying it...at least not in the sense that this was the plan all along...and Bry is right we were told..William was shredder...by him and others


now movie worries now are what kind of jumbled mess will this be to try to please everyone


So no more "white washed" Shredder, or whatever the hell some people ranted before. :D


agreed with bry..you didnt need the snark, and youve been doing it a while people have different tastes it happens people are allowed to complain

[NinjaPug]

He may not be the original Shredder in this but there's no way he doesn't end up wearing the Shredder armor by the end of the film. I still wish we were getting an adaptation closer to Mirage but it's not necessarily a bad idea.

[Xiewin]

Nothing about this film makes sense...

[MrTMNT2012]

It was a bit stupid to pull a Mandarin on such an iconic character like Shredder, but hey, whatever shuts up the haters.

[Matt2310]

im still hoping sachs is either krang or chrell... im 100% OK with that

[Shark_Blade]

People need to chill. It's those that were fooled that are offended I reckon.

Who cares, we're here to discuss this bit of info. :tcool: I bet he's the Kraang. :D

[Le Glorieux Tortue]

People need to chill. It's those that were fooled that are offended I reckon.

Who cares, we're here to discuss this bit of info. :tcool: I bet he's the Kraang. :D

I don't think it's "fool" that is the right word

If an actor is saying he or she is playing a character you do trust what they say and not automatically connect it to being a ruse

Do not lie, you yourself thought this was the case too, at least before that "armor to next level" trailer

[terrorblade]

If anyone watched Spectacular Spider-man, they did the same thing with Green Goblin. Even though everyone knows Norman Osborn is the Green Goblin the show will really convince you that it was Harry under the mask. Maybe they were trying to pull the same thing but didn't expect that the TMNT fans don't want to be played so they start showing hints of Oroku Saki or maybe they just changed it altogether. They probably learned their lesson now: No twist, No surprises = No fanboy rage( or maybe not, should have been no noses too, am I right?)

[Bry]

People need to chill. It's those that were fooled that are offended I reckon.

People would be chill if you didn't antagonize them in the first place. You say stuff like "whatever the hell some people ranted before" and people are gonna get defensive. Don't shoot snark at people if you don't want them shooting back.

And it's not being "fooled" if you take information officially presented to you at face value. I get that sometimes the powers that be have to lie to keep a surprise, but you can't act like folks are unreasonable for reporting on and responding to that official information for what it is. They gave them the exact information they intended to.

Here's a hypothetical, though: what if the producer's comments were a red herring and Fichtner either is or becomes the Shredder in the movie? Because that's totally possible.

[plastroncafe]

I've got my money down on Fichtner not being Shredder like Neeson wasn't Ras al Ghul.

[Shark_Blade]

I don't think it's "fool" that is the right word

If an actor is saying he or she is playing a character you do trust what they say and not automatically connect it to being a ruse

Do not lie, you yourself thought this was the case too, at least before that "armor to next level" trailerYup.


People would be chill if you didn't antagonize them in the first place. You say stuff like "whatever the hell some people ranted before" and people are gonna get defensive. Don't shoot snark at people if you don't want them shooting back.

And it's not being "fooled" if you take information officially presented to you at face value. I get that sometimes the powers that be have to lie to keep a surprise, but you can't act like folks are unreasonable for reporting on and responding to that official information for what it is. They gave them the exact information they intended to.

Here's a hypothetical, though: what if the producer's comments were a red herring and Fichtner either is or becomes the Shredder in the movie? Because that's totally possible.*snore* :sleep:... I was fooled into thinking he's the Shredder at one point too but you don't see me get offended. Some haters honestly..

Get on topic people, Fichtner is not playing Shredder.

[Galactus]

Well in that case thank you for lying to us.

Although I have a suspicion that when Fichtner said it he was being honest as far as he knew at the time. I don't blame him but the people making the movie for creating this mess.

[Shark_Blade]

Yeah his early interview video back then when he got casted as Shredder was pretty underwhelming, he didn't elaborate much of why he wanted to play Shredder and such.

Now thinking back, I reckon he's keeping inside details from spoiling us heh. Sneaky.

[HeroTurtlesFan]

Ha ha.

I suspected they were doing a "R'as Al Ghul / Henri Ducard" -type thing, but fans will go OTT on the barest bones of information.

[The Turtle Terminator]

Yes. Yes. YES!:D

[Sumac]

Ha-ha-ha. What the heck?
Couple of months ago they've said Fichtner is Shredder and he himself have said it. Now they seemingly say that he is not. It seems I was right and PD's marketing definitely led by monkeys, who couldn't make up their minds. This is just a mess.
I find it funny, how "stoked" persons try to shoulder the blame on everyone else, but PD for this misinformation. Pathetic.

[Shark_Blade]

Found the video from last year. This was when he was first announced to "play as Shredder" or so we/interviewer thought. :D

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See how "enthusiastic" he was lol. Conceal, don't feel, don't let them know..

[Netkeeper]

So no more "white washed" Shredder, or whatever the hell some people ranted before. :D
People need to chill. It's those that were fooled that are offended I reckon.
*snore* :sleep:... I was fooled into thinking he's the Shredder at one point too but you don't see me get offended. Some haters honestly..

Get on topic people, Fichtner is not playing Shredder.
My are you insufferable. People were offended Fichtner was playing the Shredder because the Shredder is usually [but not always] Oroku Saki, who is Japanese, and it's disrespectful to strip a character of minority status; the whitewashing declaration was further supported by the name Eric Sachs, which as mentioned upthread, is very much a sound-alike name. This isn't difficult to understand. All of this is on topic, you just need to stop being a baby. Or stop baiting. Pick one.

That said, it sounds like if Fichtner really isn't playing the Shredder, this was another last-second change to the film, which is only going to hurt it when we're this close to release. I might just have to go see it myself and laugh at the inevitable plot holes a change like this is going to cause.

[Shark_Blade]

My are you insufferable. People were offended Fichtner was playing the Shredder because the Shredder is usually [but not always] Oroku Saki, who is Japanese, and it's disrespectful to strip a character of minority status; the whitewashing declaration was further supported by the name Eric Sachs, which as mentioned upthread, is very much a sound-alike name. This isn't difficult to understand. All of this is on topic, you just need to stop being a baby. Or stop baiting. Pick one.

That said, it sounds like if Fichtner really isn't playing the Shredder, this was another last-second change to the film, which is only going to hurt it when we're this close to release. I might just have to go see it myself and laugh at the inevitable plot holes a change like this is going to cause.
I know who Saki is and his origin. Stop being a baby yourself ranting on nonsense and keep on topic.

William Fichtner is the topic, focus!

[Netkeeper]

I know who Saki is and his origin. Stop being a baby yourself ranting on nonsense and keep on topic.

William Fichtner is the topic, focus!
Don't backseat mod me, kid.

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So no more "white washed" Shredder, or whatever the hell some people ranted before. :D

I say they should have stuck to their guns, and let the 'reveal' happen when people see the movie in August.

I wonder if it was fan response that drove their decision to reveal it early, but hey, whatever, Im seeing this film, they already have my vote. :D

[Shark_Blade]

Maybe that explains the later reshoots? But I doubt it, who knows. :D

[TigerClaw]

Maybe that explains the later reshoots? But I doubt it, who knows. :D
Nah, Those reshoots were mostly for Megan Fox, If I recall, They shot scenes after her pregnancy. Maybe the film wasn't fully completed when Megan Fox was fully pregnant, and they waited until she had her child so that they can complete the scenes they needed.

[Bry]

*snore* :sleep:... I was fooled into thinking he's the Shredder at one point too but you don't see me get offended. Some haters honestly..

Get on topic people, Fichtner is not playing Shredder.

The irony? You saying he's not playing the Shredder is based on you taking official information at face value... which is the same thing everyone else did when you smugly said they were "fooled".

But whatever, duder. That kind of jerky attitude is what keeps my ignore list full and healthy. :trolleye:

[Galactus]

I say they should have stuck to their guns, and let the 'reveal' happen when people see the movie in August.

I wonder if it was fan response that drove their decision to reveal it early, but hey, whatever, Im seeing this film, they already have my vote. :D

That's assuming that Saki was going to be Shredder all along. I'm not so sure that's the case.

[Mr.Green]

If this is true and William is NOT playing the Shredder, then most of my concerns will be gone.

[zodiac brave]

Ha-ha-ha. What the heck?
Couple of months ago they've said Fichtner is Shredder and he himself have said it. Now they seemingly say that he is not. It seems I was right and PD's marketing definitely led by monkeys, who couldn't make up their minds. This is just a mess.
I find it funny, how "stoked" persons try to shoulder the blame on everyone else, but PD for this misinformation. Pathetic.

i really don't think marketing had anything at all to do with this specific sitch. i think what happened was that fichtner said that because maybe it was true at the time. But, due to the cluster-eff that this movie has sort of been all along, i also suspect that maybe all the backlash, really freaked some of the film-makers out and some of the creative choices they originally went with were changed in scurry and flurry of trying to save what the internet was saying was jacked up.

some of the stuff has been tweaked a little...the brothers faces, the script, etc...but considering there were reshoots that suspiciously seem were done to insert oroku saki as shredder, it's obvious not all the back treading and re-figuring stuff worked out as smoothly as they'd hoped.

at least not to the internet.

i wouldn't be at all surprised if this is the film-makers whiting out and re-doing what was originally intended. it certainly seems the non-coinciding stories about who fichtner is playing is a direct result of that.

i just hope that even with all the mix ups, hiccups, do-overs and whatnot that it doesn't end up being an incoherent mess.

(cue everyone saying it's too late to hope for that... :trolleye: )

My are you insufferable. People were offended Fichtner was playing the Shredder because the Shredder is usually Oroku Saki, who is Japanese, and it's disrespectful to strip a character of minority status; the whitewashing declaration was further supported by the name Eric Sachs, which as mentioned upthread, is very much a sound-alike name. This isn't difficult to understand. [B]All of this is on topic, you just need to stop being a baby. Or stop baiting. Pick one.

That said, it sounds like if Fichtner really isn't playing the Shredder, this was another last-second change to the film, which is only going to hurt it when we're this close to release. I might just have to go see it myself and laugh at the inevitable plot holes a change like this is going to cause.

sorry for the double post, but this...

yeah, what was that about baiting?

im just sayin...

[Netkeeper]

sorry for the double post, but this...

yeah, what was that about baiting?

im just sayin...
Hey, golden rule buddy.

[Andrew NDB]

We know that Sachs -- at some point -- is the Shredder. We also know that over the course of the movie "the Shredder goes through a lot of changes." Perhaps it's Saki, and then it's Sachs, and then it turns out he's had an Utrom named Krang in his belly the whole time.

And we also know that Fichtner has a 3 picture deal.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

so now this makes me wonder..those 3 films Fichtner was signed on for..is that still happening

if he was never meant to be the shredder why sign him on for 3?

will he die at the end of the movie or in the middle?

is he being bought out now?

is this another case of Splinter and Leo Recast under the actors reptilian noses?

seriously is not one Behind the scenes person asking these questions..i don't mean to be a jerk but this just leads to a big mess in the end

this is why movies need to not rush and make sure they are actually making a movie they want, with every scenario written down just incase something happens..and even if fan boys rage who cares stick to your plan..sure i am on the leery side but i am more disappointed that this studio is back tracking than moving forward

[Vulkanthekrusader]

He might be the Baxter Stockman of the movie or be his boss and he turns into a mutant

[ToTheNines]

He might be the Baxter Stockman of the movie or be his boss and he turns into a mutant

It seems like they're drawing from the IDW series a bit. Saki and Sachs could have a similar working relationship to Krang and Stockman from those books.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

He might be the Baxter Stockman of the movie or be his boss and he turns into a mutant

then why the run around fiasco...we were told he was shredder and that he signed on for 3 films, he was meant to be a big role

if he was meant to be baxter why not just say that...people wouldve been stoked to actually get baxter

...again i present my questions

this all sounds like a last minute rewrite because "oops we done fudged up"

again im sorry but i dont buy the "This was the plan all along"

[Xiewin]

This movie is gonna be nothing but a big pile of mess..If those rushed reshoots are true, then there's nothing more to say about this film.

[Jester]

Shark_Blade knock of the snark and attacks.... and leery people stop swallowing the bait....

[Candy Kappa]

Being signed for more movies, don't necessarily mean they will be in more movies. It's just keeping dibs in the actor in case they want her or him in future movies.

That said, I would be pleased if Shredder turns out not to be Sachs, and they didn't whitewash Saki, but, why have Eric Sachs' name so similar to Saki? Seems a bit iffy.

[Andrew NDB]

It seems like they're drawing from the IDW series a bit.

If they are, it couldn't be intentionally.

[samxsteal]

This movie is gonna be nothing but a big pile of mess..If those rushed reshoots are true, then there's nothing more to say about this film.
Reshoots were only because Megan was pregnant

[samxsteal]

If they are, it couldn't be intentionally.

Yes yes they could be

[TheSkeletonMan939]

it's disrespectful to strip a character of minority status

Oh really? I guess OT Baxter Stockman is super racist then. :trolleye:

That's a silly point of view to take. I really don't care what ethnicity a character is. The problem is that Shredder's origin pretty much requires him to be Japanese, since he's a ninja and a member of a ninja clan (the Foot). When people realized Shredder was gonna be a white guy, they flipped out not because the ethnicity changed, but because it seemed like the origin story itself was going to radically be altered as well.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Reshoots were only because Megan was pregnant

I'm sure that's what they want you to think.

Think about it: Fichtner reveals he's going to be Shredder; everyone gets all angry and rages about it on the internet. Then reshoots happen, and suddenly Fichtner isn't Shredder at all!

I'm very certain reshoots were done to accommodate changes to the script, and maybe also because Fox was pregnant.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Yes yes they could be

speculation not fact


Oh really? I guess OT Baxter Stockman is super racist then. :trolleye:

actually it is no ifs ands or buts

[TheSkeletonMan939]

actually it is no ifs ands or buts

:ohwell:

Okay, maybe it's racist. I'm not aware of why they made the change, or if they even had a reason, so that was a pretty lame example of mine.

[samxsteal]

speculation not fact




actually it is no ifs ands or buts

Beside Kevin say the used inspiration from every version

And that includes IDW

That's a fact

So yes it is possible

[IndigoErth]

Must threads start with an "I told you so, in your face!" mentality...

Call me a bad fan, but I for one don't really care much either way who plays Shredder, even if a white guy would have been a lame decision on their part. But if they purposely mislead fans because they're trying to keep it as some secret surprise, it's not exactly fans fault for believing them.

Yelling "told you so" doesn't usually reflect well on anyone...

[samxsteal]

speculation not fact




actually it is no ifs ands or buts
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Changing race of character isn't racist if there is no malicious intent behind the Change

IS is sexist that Thor is now going to be a woman in the comic? No?

So unless there is proof that they changed that character because they thought that the "white" character was superior to the original. Which i highly doubt
:ohwell:

Okay, maybe it's racist. I'm not aware of why they made the change, or if they even had a reason, so that was a pretty lame example of mine.
Read above

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Beside Kevin say the used inspiration from every version

we have gone down this road before..i wont go down it again because there is no point in even staring it

on topic williams not shredder lets see what mess is next

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Changing race of character isn't racist if there is no malicious intent behind the Change

IS is sexist that Thor is now going to be a woman in the comic? No?

So unless there is proof that they changed that character because they thought that the "white" character was superior to the original. Which i highly doubt

Read above

wow dude wow...i dont even have words..i'm offended on more levels than you could ever imagine

i used to think you were a good person with a weird sense of fighting for what you believe in...but this is a new low..im done

[TigerClaw]

Maybe the whole William Fichtner playing Shredder was to throw people off.

We seen this kind of thing happen with other movies, When Star Trek Into Darkness was being made, Lots of people thought that Benedict Cumberbatch was playing Khan, And then they said hes playing another character. The movie comes out and he plays this other character who then, Turns out to actually be Khan in the end.

So for this TMNT movie, They were throwing people off by saying that William Fichtner is playing the Shredder, When in the actual movie, Its somebody else.

He could be just some dude whose providing the tech behind the suit, Who knows, He could be working with Baxter Stockman behind the technology. As for how April's father is involved, I bet hes similar to the Kirby from the Nick TMNT series.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

wow dude wow...i dont even have words..i'm offended on more levels than you could ever imagine

i used to think you were a good person with a weird sense of fighting for what you believe in...but this is a new low..im done

Samxsteal had a good point, though. The last thing Bay wanted to do was offend people by changing Shredder's ethnicity - looks like that happened anyway, though. I'm sure the idea of Fichtner being Shredder wasn't a racist one; it was just something Bay wanted to change to make his version stand out. It was still a stupid idea, though. It's almost like making Black Panther a white guy.

[Bry]

:ohwell:

Okay, maybe it's racist. I'm not aware of why they made the change, or if they even had a reason, so that was a pretty lame example of mine.

Well, you definitely had a point in that Saki/Shredder being Japanese is an essential part of his character and identity, while Baxter being black isn't necessarily (or at least not in the same way)... But it still raises issues of representation, as there are an absolute ton of white male characters in comics and media, and comparatively very few characters of colour - especially ones that aren't based on some manner of negative stereotype. That's the best possible reason for Baxter to be, and stay, a black man.

Basically, if you're taking a character of colour and turning them into a white dude... that's basically always a terrible idea.

[MastahShredder]

William Fichtner not playing Shredder.

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/rod.gif

[Andrew NDB]

If they are, it couldn't be intentionally.

Yes yes they could be

No. IDW wasn't looking at anything or privy to anything in the Paramount camp, and the script and production was already very well into full throttle by the time the IDW books started coming out. Neither was there ever at any time any Paramount executives sitting in IDW's creative summits.

If there's anything in the movie that is definitively IDW, it could only be incidentally.

I'm sure that's what they want you to think.

Think about it: Fichtner reveals he's going to be Shredder; everyone gets all angry and rages about it on the internet. Then reshoots happen, and suddenly Fichtner isn't Shredder at all!

I'm very certain reshoots were done to accommodate changes to the script, and maybe also because Fox was pregnant.

The only changes to the script happened when Paramount shut down production for a couple of month way back when... long before talk of reshoots. Which weren't even considerable.

Beside Kevin say the used inspiration from every version

And that includes IDW

That's a fact

So yes it is possible

He indicated what's come before... IDW did not come before. It's going on... now. And again, there was no way for Paramount to even be looking at any IDW comics at the times the "big" decisions were being made in the production and shooting script.

[TurtleTitan97]

This is probably the first good thing I've heard from this movie by far.

Still not excited for the movie though.

[CyberCubed]

The news is still bad, because it means we're going to see little to nothing of Oroku Saki in the film because Eric Sachs will still be the main focused on villain for the majority of it.

I bet we won't see Saki till the very last act of the film, where he suddenly reveals he's Shredder.

So why waste our time with a crusty 60 year old white man for the majority of the film? I don't think he's going to be Krang either for that matter.

[NinjaPug]

No one finds it odd that we don't know the actor that is supposedly playing Shredder 3 weeks from release?

That right there should tell you Sachs becomes Shredder eventually and is the main villain.

[samxsteal]

we have gone down this road before..i wont go down it again because there is no point in even staring it

on topic williams not shredder lets see what mess is next



wow dude wow...i dont even have words..i'm offended on more levels than you could ever imagine

i used to think you were a good person with a weird sense of fighting for what you believe in...but this is a new low..im done
Now you Just Miss reading anything im Saying At face Value if you change a character Ethnicity it is not Racist Racism Stems From one group feeling another group is superior, If that underlying "theme" is not involved its not racism. So If they Changed Baxter just because They thought the "white" Version was better Then yes that's racism, but if thats not the case then is not racist.

People use the word Racist without fully knowing the meaning of it, Same with sexist,
Or feminist for that matter

Idris Alba as heimdall Isn't racist like Baxter being white in OT isn't racist unless I missed a story about how the Creator Were racist then By all means im wrong
Maybe the whole William Fichtner playing Shredder was to throw people off.

We seen this kind of thing happen with other movies, When Star Trek Into Darkness was being made, Lots of people thought that Benedict Cumberbatch was playing Khan, And then they said hes playing another character. The movie comes out and he plays this other character who then, Turns out to actually be Khan in the end.

So for this TMNT movie, They were throwing people off by saying that William Fichtner is playing the Shredder, When in the actual movie, Its somebody else.

He could be just some dude whose providing the tech behind the suit, Who knows, He could be working with Baxter Stockman behind the technology. As for how April's father is involved, I bet hes similar to the Kirby from the Nick TMNT series.
Exactly I still say Baxter is in this movie and Sach Is just an Utrom Help baxter and Shredder
Samxsteal had a good point, though. The last thing Bay wanted to do was offend people by changing Shredder's ethnicity - looks like that happened anyway, though. I'm sure the idea of Fichtner being Shredder wasn't a racist one; it was just something Bay wanted to change to make his version stand out. It was still a stupid idea, though. It's almost like making Black Panther a white guy.Agreed
And while i disagree Because DONE in a correct way Having a "white shredder" could work Ala Storm shadow/ Snake Eyes



No. IDW wasn't looking at anything or privy to anything in the Paramount camp, and the script and production was already very well into full throttle by the time the IDW books started coming out. Neither was there ever at any time any Paramount executives sitting in IDW's creative summits. I still haven't seen anything about them supposedly "Removing themselves" from the Movie, Except certain artist who did not like the first trailer but are starting to warm up to it. As For No it wasn't the script rewrite happen well after the Series had already started and been in the market, Its not a leap that If Kevin was Brought in and worked with the director and screen writer he could not use aspect from IDW in which he was also a major part of.



If there's anything in the movie that is definitively IDW, it could only be incidentally.This is not true No matter how much you say it and while saying for sure 100% that this has IDW influences is Assumption so is this Fact is There is still a vary large Possibility that This Could and in fact seems to have influences from IDW


The only changes to the script happened when Paramount shut down production for a couple of month way back when... long before talk of reshoots. Which weren't even considerable. Its shut down For nearly a year After Johnathan and Even were brought in The same time Kevin has said to sat down with them all and Give them Insight and work with them on the movie



He indicated what's come before... IDW did not come before. It's going on... now. And again, there was no way for Paramount to even be looking at any IDW comics at the times the "big" decisions were being made in the production and shooting script.

IDW does come before its happened and had started and released Several Issues Since the rewrites started

[samxsteal]

No one finds it odd that we don't know the actor that is supposedly playing Shredder 3 weeks from release?

That right there should tell you Sachs becomes Shredder eventually and is the main villain.

Not really There are still Tons of character un credited and Unconfirmed yet Its not unusual to see an actor in a movie Uncredit till release and even after Channing Tatum Was in THis is the end Uncredited he was still in the movie.

ANd this only lend credit to them trying to keep it a secret For what ever reasons they had

[GrapeSoda]

we have gone down this road before..i wont go down it again because there is no point in even staring it

on topic williams not shredder lets see what mess is next



wow dude wow...i dont even have words..i'm offended on more levels than you could ever imagine

i used to think you were a good person with a weird sense of fighting for what you believe in...but this is a new low..im done

reminds me of Jester's old sig quote.

[samxsteal]

reminds me of Jester's old sig quote.

That was me and it a basic Question its not racist at all it was a simpler question on in which they would not answer Because they were to stubborn to admit they were wrong

Simple Question is an african american played a character who is normally white is is Racist? No
Just like and Asian Playing a Character whom is normally African american is not racist
Or an Asian Playing Latino, Or Latino a African American, or Any combination

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Idris Alba as heimdall Isn't racist like Baxter being white in OT isn't racist unless I missed a story about how the Creator Were racist then By all means im wrong

dont try to explain something you clearly dont understand or should i say "i am sorry masta for speaking out of line"

[samxsteal]

dont try to explain something you clearly dont understand or should i say "i am masta for speaking out of line"

Dude What did i say in any way that was Racist TELL ME I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO NOW.

I did not say any thing remotely racist in any way shape or form

I Quoted the Defenision OF racism, And asked if it was Sexist to Gender swap Thor Thats it That AT BASE VALUE thats not sexistn, and thats not racist

Heimdalls Not racist just like Baxter is not racist

UNLESS both Changes were made with the thought that One Race was Superior then the other and that was the reason for the change

[xChri5x]

Check your privilege!

[NinjaPug]

Not really There are still Tons of character un credited and Unconfirmed yet Its not unusual to see an actor in a movie Uncredit till release and even after Channing Tatum Was in THis is the end Uncredited he was still in the movie.

ANd this only lend credit to them trying to keep it a secret For what ever reasons they had

Um, it would be very unusual (actually it would be unheard of) for a role the size of The Shredder to be uncredited or unconfirmed at this point. There is no chance one of the trades wouldn't have scooped this if someone else was Shredder/main villain. There will be a token Asian Shredder before Sachs takes over.

[samxsteal]

Um, it would be very unusual (actually it would be unheard of) for a role the size of The Shredder to be uncredited or unconfirmed at this point. There is no chance one of the trades wouldn't have scooped this if someone else was Shredder/main villain. There will be a token Asian Shredder before Sachs takes over.

Well Obviously there is Something Missing Because we have seen Oroku Saki and Hes not credited? So he has to have an actor playing him? and the new evidence Reveal Shows more about this then anything so far So ?

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Dude What did i say in any way that was Racist TELL ME I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO NOW.

if you have to ask me, you clearly dont understand


im not getting into a racial debate with you

[samxsteal]

if you have to ask me, you clearly dont understand


im not getting into a racial debate with you

No tell me If you think Saying Thor being a Girl Is not sexist
But Changing Baxter White is

What if he started out White and they changed him African American IS that racist And if you think it is WHY Did they do it because they Felt one was supirior to the other? Because Racist is and will always Be about one thinking they are better then the other.

And I dont argee with that for any reason No one Group of People are better then the other Period

But to say that Changing a character skin color Is racist With out knowing for a fact it was done with the intention of making on race superior then the other then its not racist.


ANd its not a Debate Racist is wrong and should not happen It caused and still causes lots of Issues and should have never happen or be happening and Racist People are Idiotic and stupid.

But im not going to stand By while So Internet Dude Tells me I'm racist Sorry, IM not

[NinjaPug]

Well Obviously there is Something Missing Because we have seen Oroku Saki and Hes not credited? So he has to have an actor playing him? and the new evidence Reveal Shows more about this then anything so far So ?

Yes, we've seen Sachs talk to someone who is probably Saki (although still unconfirmed). My point is that if this shadowy figure was the one and only Shredder in this movie then we'd know who he is. The Shredder is the main bad guy yet we don't know who is playing him? It's just a small role and Sachs ends up being Shredder / main villain in this.

[Candy Kappa]

That was me and it a basic Question its not racist at all it was a simpler question on in which they would not answer Because they were to stubborn to admit they were wrong

Simple Question is an african american played a character who is normally white is is Racist? No
Just like and Asian Playing a Character whom is normally African american is not racist
Or an Asian Playing Latino, Or Latino a African American, or Any combination

At least you aren't using the racist and awful -noid terms again...

[samxsteal]

Yes, we've seen Sachs talk to someone who is probably Saki (although still unconfirmed). My point is that if this shadowy figure was the one and only Shredder in this movie then we'd know who he is. The Shredder is the main bad guy yet we don't know who is playing him? It's just a small role and Sachs ends up being Shredder / main villain in this.

There is alot to this movie yet to be seen. I think Sach Uses the armor at least once in the movie Maybe, And will likely act as the Front man For Oroku Saki Through out the movie similar to Oroku Saki and Tatsu (kind of) in the og movie But IM better the final Fight will be full on full fledged Oroku Saki in Armor rocking the house

[samxsteal]

At least you aren't using the racist and awful -noid terms again...



Its not Racist Is science ii was using the Scientific Term For the Group of Human that exist In the world its not racist Was i doing it in a hurtful way seriously some need to Figure out what racism Really means before jumping to conclusions Seriously SMH

If Using scientific Names From a Scientific Encyclopedia Is racist Then Racism has gotten pretty bad

You your self Claim to be the "I am the Master of the Search Function, tremble by my Awesome power!"
Why do they add the OID at the end Of the Classificasion of human races ????

Its not racist i can tell you that

[Candy Kappa]

Its not Racist Is science ii was useing the Scientific Term For the Group of Human tha excist In the world its not racist Was i doing it in a hurtful way seriously some need to Figure out what racism Really means before jumping to conclusions Seriously SMH

If Using scientific Names From a Scientific Encyclopedia Is racist Then Racism has gotten pretty bad

Those terms are severely outdated and are considered pretty racist... Thought I explained it the first time around.

[Le Glorieux Tortue]

Its not Racist Is science ii was useing the Scientific Term For the Group of Human tha excist In the world its not racist Was i doing it in a hurtful way seriously some need to Figure out what racism Really means before jumping to conclusions Seriously SMH

If Using scientific Names From a Scientific Encyclopedia Is racist Then Racism has gotten pretty bad

Hello may I ask what your native language is ? Mine is french and I know my postings sound strange to some but yours seem even more puzzling. It cannot be english that is for sure ? :-? :-?

[IndigoErth]

Hello may I ask what your native language is ?
Location: I currently live in Cape may NJ im from Hillsboro Oregon
It's just the affects of New Jersey corrupting his soul... :goof:

[samxsteal]

Hello may I ask what your native language is ? Mine is french and I know my postings sound strange to some but yours seem even more puzzling. It cannot be english that is for sure ? :-? :-?

Its English-_- ....................... I type like i type in a chat room, IM ADHD and I dont usually have time to proof read before i press enter I use Internet word like SMH LOL LMFAO and leat often, I use Sound effects EHH ECH GUH AND BLAH all the time Im sory

8Gv0H-vPoDc

[Le Glorieux Tortue]

Its English-_- ....................... I type like i type in a chat room, IM ADHD and I dont usually have time to proof read before i press enter I use Internet word like SMH LOL LMFAO and leat often, I use Sound effects EHH ECH GUH AND BLAH all the time Im sory


I apologize I did not mean to offend if so, I was just curious :P

Very peculiar I have never seen anything like it !

[samxsteal]

It's just the affects of New Jersey corrupting his soul... :goof:

For real Im From Colorado But lived in Oregon Most my Life But really I dont Need to have effective grammar to get my point across and people can make out what im saying I just don't care nor feel i need to take 15 mins to proof read my post I think fast i type faster, and i just go go go


ADHD FOR YOU ^_^

[samxsteal]

I apologize I did not mean to offend if so, I was just curious :P

Very peculiar I have never seen anything like it !

Yeah im sorry But its what i do lol.


I want to get that text to speech stuff but i bet it couldn't keep up with me talking lol

[IndigoErth]

Just poking fun since I'm a Delaware neighbor, it's kinda our job. ;)

Yeah, can figure you out... even if it takes a minute. :P

[samxsteal]

Just poking fun since I'm a Delaware neighbor, it's kinda our job. ;)

Yeah, can figure you out... even if it takes a minute. :P

We drive through there even now and them I love it there even thought about moving there But Wifes Family all lives here so we Bought a house here Still yet to movie in been doing alot of construction had to take the yesterday and today off think i got a stomach bug or food poisoning though all i has was Wawa(you know what that is right?)

[plastroncafe]

Its not Racist Is science ii was using the Scientific Term For the Group of Human that exist In the world its not racist Was i doing it in a hurtful way seriously some need to Figure out what racism Really means before jumping to conclusions Seriously SMH

If Using scientific Names From a Scientific Encyclopedia Is racist Then Racism has gotten pretty bad

You your self Claim to be the "I am the Master of the Search Function, tremble by my Awesome power!"
Why do they add the OID at the end Of the Classificasion of human races ????

Its not racist i can tell you that

There are lots of things in encyclopedias, including outmoded anthropological terms coined during a time of great western colonial expansion. If any terms were going to be racist, it would be the three "races" as defined by early western anthropologists.

I mean...just by definition.

As for the suffix -oid, from the Greek -oeidēs which means resemblance. Humanoid means resembling human.

The TMNT are humanoid turtles.

[UGHShellshocked]

I really wish we knew what exactly was reshot?

[samxsteal]

There are lots of things in encyclopedias, including outmoded anthropological terms coined during a time of great western colonial expansion. If any terms were going to be racist, it would be the three "races" as defined by early western anthropologists.

I mean...just by definition.

As for the suffix -oid, from the Greek -oeidēs which means resemblance. Humanoid means resembling human.

The TMNT are humanoid turtles.
But these Words them selves are not racist Unless being used as a means to show and define one as being superior to the other That all i mean

I was not using them to mean one is better then the other on as a means I was spouted as a racist for saying black So i found the Scientific term for each race i was using in reference Not to be racist but to use the least subjective term i thought at the time Guess i was wrong

I wasn't meaning any harm in any of what i was saying just that If people were just people regardless it would not matter race of the character who played what ever character, really it should be Anyone can play anyone.

Just Like thor Being change to a Woman Is going to be freaking Amazing look awesome so far

People are people everyone should be equal thats that, only people making it hard are those who wont let it happen

[samxsteal]

I really wish we knew what exactly was reshot?

So far the evidence say Some out door shot with snow and the Turtle van
April stuff
One On Set shot with the turtle in MoCap
One shot of Fitchner outside in Cali(NY)
and thats about it they only had about a week maybe 2 for reshoots thats it

[IndigoErth]

We drive through there even now and them I love it there even thought about moving there But Wifes Family all lives here so we Bought a house here Still yet to movie in been doing alot of construction had to take the yesterday and today off think i got a stomach bug or food poisoning though all i has was Wawa(you know what that is right?)
Ah new New Jerseyan, well welcome to the east.:D Yup, have Wawa, but not often I've gone to it.


As for the movie... If they are STILL finishing up... geezus. I dunno, I'm good under pressure but I think even at that point the stress would be close to killing me. lol

When and in what way do they distribute movies to theaters now if it's cutting this close?? Is it sent out digitally?

[plastroncafe]

But these Words them selves are not racist Unless being used as a means to show and define one as being superior to the other That all i mean


The context in which the words were coined and used WAS racist, and when you use them in ignorance of that context you leave yourself open to being counted among that context, and called out on it.

You might not be racist, but the words you resurrected to make your anti-racist point are steeped in racism. Heck, they were made to codify and reinforce supremacy of third over the other two.

It's great that you believe that everyone should be equal, I commend you for that. We don't become equal by forgetting the past, and we don't become equal by ignoring the life experiences of others.

[samxsteal]

Ah new New Jerseyan, well welcome to the east.:D Yup, have Wawa, but not often I've gone to it.


As for the movie... If they are STILL finishing up... geezus. I dunno, I'm good under pressure but I think even at that point the stress would be close to killing me. lol

When and in what way do they distribute movies to theaters now if it's cutting this close?? Is it sent out digitally?Film Now and day is Digital They can send Files Over Secure transfer Sites/programs
Maybe via HD SD drive sent via Mail depending on company and theaters

But movie come down to the wire weeks if not days before release,

The context in which the words were coined and used WAS racist, and when you use them in ignorance of that context you leave yourself open to being counted among that context, and called out on it.

You might not be racist, but the words you resurrected to make your anti-racist point are steeped in racism. Heck, they were made to codify and reinforce supremacy of third over the other two.

It's great that you believe that everyone should be equal, I commend you for that. We don't become equal by forgetting the past, and we don't become equal by ignoring the life experiences of others.

Then i will admit i was wrong in using those term and you are right i was Arrogant in using them, And i Apologize if i did offend anyone in using them that was not in any way shape or form my intention

[GrapeSoda]

That was me and it a basic Question its not racist at all it was a simpler question on in which they would not answer Because they were to stubborn to admit they were wrong

Simple Question is an african american played a character who is normally white is is Racist? No
Just like and Asian Playing a Character whom is normally African american is not racist
Or an Asian Playing Latino, Or Latino a African American, or Any combination

uh....no. It was Jester quoting your offensive use of "oid" terms that I'm referring to.
And yes, that is racist

[samxsteal]

uh....no. It was Jester quoting your offensive use of "oid" terms that I'm referring to.
And yes, that is racist

Refer to the post above

[Coola Yagami]

Oh will everyone shut the hell up about racism already. This is a tmnt forum. Who the hell cares. Leave all your prejudices and bigotry at the door.

[Mr Derp]

He wouldn't be named "Erik Sachs" unless he becomes Shredder at some point. Oroku Saki probably gets killed in that explosion on the rooftop, and then Sachs becomes Shredder at the end of the movie. Make no mistake, Sachs IS the main villain in this. Saki will basically be the Darth Maul of the movie, while Sachs will be the Emperor. It wouldn't surprise me if Sachs turns out to be Krang as well.

[Warhorse]

http://screenrant.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-reboot-footage-preview/



So no more "white washed" Shredder, or whatever the hell some people ranted before. :D

I was saying this from the beginning. :D


:
Originally Posted by graphic_content View Post
I say they should have stuck to their guns, and let the 'reveal' happen when people see the movie in August.

I wonder if it was fan response that drove their decision to reveal it early, but hey, whatever, Im seeing this film, they already have my vote.
Same here. Now, they are just ruining the surprise.

[Galactus]

Same here. Now, they are just ruining the surprise.

Honestly the identity of the Shredder shouldn't even be a surprise or a mystery. It something that should be a given. If they have punking us all along then they only have themselves to blame for meltdowns.

Then again it's possible this is all a double bluff and that it really is Sachs in the armor. It seems even one of this movies biggest boosters and one that usually says we should believe everything they say seems to think Sachs will wear the armor.

Under normal circumstances something like this might actually make me stop and think "hmm maybe this movie wont be complete crap after all" but they've deceived us so many times I'm not taking for granted anything. For all we know that bald guy is not Oroku Saki but Mr Braunze.

[Raven]

Do the people working on this movie even know whats going on? I'm more interested now to hear what all happened behind the scenes then the actual movie.

[IndigoErth]

As for revealing that tidbit early, personally I've speculated that part of it was a mistake on their own part to put that hard to see "shadowy figure" in that one trailer, not even considering that fans are going to grab a screenshot, take it to Photoshop and bring out the actual image. Oops. lol

[Warhorse]

As for revealing that tidbit early, personally I've speculated that part of it was a mistake on their own part to put that hard to see "shadowy figure" in that one trailer, not even considering that fans are going to grab a screenshot, take it to Photoshop and bring out the actual image. Oops. lol

Yeah, fans excited to anything can do amazing things now since the internet has been available. I remember just a quick shot of Scarlet and Chris on set for The Winter Soldier, and someone blew up the scene and discovered she was wearing a necklace with an arrow in it, presumably a present from Hawkeye.

[***First of Two Latin Kings***]

I think the Shadowy figure is an Oroku Saki zombie, reanimated using worms, and that after the TMNT defeat him, Sachs (who is actually Ch'rell) will put on the armor. I could be off by a long shot, though.

[THGhost]

Still sticking with the whole "Eric Sachs" thing, are they? How long until they announce that he's actually playing Baxter Stockman? Any takers? :roll:

[Coola Yagami]

yeah.... Shredder wasn't meant to be a 'surprise character' anyway.... so why waste time. It's like casting some random black scientist dude, don't name him at all... and then at the very end of the movie... it's revealed he's Baxter Stockman!!! I mean.... why even bother?

That Mandarin thing was clever, but leave it as a once in a while thing. Don't be quick to rip it off.

[Newton Gimmick]

Nothing about this film makes sense...

QFT! :tconfuse:

[pennydreadful]

Samxsteal had a good point, though. The last thing Bay wanted to do was offend people by changing Shredder's ethnicity - looks like that happened anyway, though. I'm sure the idea of Fichtner being Shredder wasn't a racist one; it was just something Bay wanted to change to make his version stand out. It was still a stupid idea, though. It's almost like making Black Panther a white guy.

I don't think Bay's aware enough of racial issues to have even considered the implications of a white Shredder.

Either way... I'm over the whole Shredder/Fichtner/is he isn't he thing at this stage. I don't understand what the point was of lying to us... it's just made me lose interest in this particular aspect of the movie altogether. Lying to us hasn't done us any favors, IMO - it's just annoyed a whole heap of people unnecessarily. I don't expect them to flat-out say what they're doing, but as I said - I don't like being lied to and treated like an ambulatory dollar sign who'll just swallow whatever I'm told and be grateful for it.

[Leo656]

I totally understand why studios want to hide things and surprise people, but I'm never in favor of flat-out lying about it. I'm never a fan of flat-out lying about anything, actually. "Twists" are tricky business in movies, because once the cat's out of the bag, if people don't like it you kill your own buzz with bad word of mouth. I've said it a million times, an expensive "tent pole" film that's meant to build a franchise is the absolute last place you want to take any risks or risk pissing anyone off, and that's all they've been trying to do since day one. It's asinine. If screwing with people made money, Vince Russo would be a billionaire and TNA might actually draw an audience of paying customers.

People, by and large, don't like surprises. Yes, there are those who do, so don't all of you who do like surprises jump in with "I do! I do!" Science says, you're the minority, and that people like what they like and prefer the familiar. It's like getting gifts; apparently, about 8 or 9 times out of 10, people who receive a surprise gift would prefer to have the cash equivalent so they could just get something they actually wanted. They appreciate the effort, but they're still disappointed, because what they got wasn't *exactly* what they wanted.

Every TMNT fan knows who the bad guy is supposed to be. Why the shenanigans? I'll tell you why: It's because whenever Hollywood gets their hands on a well-known property, the FIRST thing they ask isn't "How do we do this right?" or "How do we keep the fans happy?" it's "What can we Change?" Because for some reason, they think people won't go see a movie when they already know the details or the ending. Never mind how much money "Passion of the Christ" made; I mean, I doubt anyone at all expected Jesus to pull a swerve, hop down off the cross and karate kick everyone into oblivion. :lol: But the fact remains, "Swerves" are what Hollywood relies on to build these licensed films, and I hate that. It's so short-sighted. "Saw" wasn't a good movie because of the twist ending, it was good because it was original at the time, more cerebral than gory, AND it had a twist ending. So, when it comes time to do the 75 Saw sequels, what does Hollywood recycle over and over again? The Twist, reaching further and further each time until literally every character you ever saw in the entire franchise was working for the killer at some point. :roll:

Why they feel the need to "trick" or "surprise" us, I'll never know. You know what surprises me? When these hacks get their heads out of their asses long enough to do anything competent, like "Batman Begins" (with its own pointless, laughable, "Liam Neeson Is NOT Playing Ra's, He Just Coincidentally Has That Very Specific Facial Hair Which No One Except Ra's Has" tacked-on "Twist"). Just do a good movie and quit winking at us the whole time. You're NOT smarter than the material OR the audience.

Like others, I'm also very suspicious about the re-shoots having something to do with the Sachs/Shredder backlash. I know, "conspiracy theory". Still seems very plausible to me, all they'd need to change is a few CGI scenes and some dialog. It makes sense that they'd scramble and lie to cover themselves, like when they said the TMNT were aliens, then said they never said that. It's just like that. The TMNT WERE aliens, until people bitched about it, then they "fixed" it. I'd bet Sachs WAS Shredder, until people bitched, then they "fixed" it.

Whether he is or isn't Shredder, though, there's no reason to lie about it. That's just dickish.

[AlZarkovski]

It's intresting (http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/joblocom-checks-out-an-early-glimpse-of-the-comic-con-footage-for-tmnt-273#XlFPtAHRVbq5W4iv.99)!