Guess the Rotten Tomatoes score for the new movie

[CyberCubed]

I predict a 40% rotten for the film, with some reviews really liking the movie but more than half not caring for it. It's going to be directly compared to the recent Marvel films and X-men Days of Future Past...and I don't think it can stand up to that or Captain America: The Winter soldier.

I'm expecting a similar review massacre as The Amazing Spiderman 2 got...so a score similar to that.

[IndigoErth]

What do I win...

At this point, I'm guessing 65-70% positive.

[Xiewin]

I say about 50 or 45 percent.

[The Stryker]

The correct answer is 'who gives a crap'

But going by Cybercubed's prediction of 40. Wouldn't that make it the highest or second highest rated TMNT movie?

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

I'm going to say somewhere in the 50s. It'll have an overall rotten, with plenty of reviews saying it was decent enough.

I'm at least positive it won't be as bad as Age of Extinction.

Maybe Rotten Tomatoes should grade it on a curve based on past Platinum Dunes releases.

[Leo656]

Hard to predict the exact number, but I do think an overwhelming number of the reviews will contain phrases such as "over-the-top", "mindless", "silly", "absurd", "paint-by-numbers", "corny", "cheesy," "juvenile", "mindless 'action movie' mayhem," "CGI-fest", and "trying painfully hard - and failing - to be 'hip'." I think we can pretty much go ahead and write the reviews right now based on the trailers, and how well critics usually do with Movies Like This.

Oh, and every single goddamn article and review will contain at least four cute little pizza jokes and at least one side-splittingly clever "Cowabunga Dude! These Ain't Your Daddy's Ninja Turtles!" :roll:

One of the things I'm most against with this movie, is that it's 100% a movie only TMNT die-hards are going to find anything good about. I was really hoping for a movie with broader appeal. But even if it satisfies Those People, the reviews will be awful. I don't think one has to be Kreskin to figure that out.

I'd say, 30-40% if I have to be nailed down to a number. Won't make a difference, though. People who like the movie will continue to rail that critics know nothing. People who put all their stock in critics' reviews will continue to bemoan how All Movies Are Terrible Now (even ones they haven't seen). It'll do okay business, enough to green-light a sequel so we get to do this all over again three years from now.

[Redeemer]

I predict a 40% rotten for the film, with some reviews really liking the movie but more than half not caring for it. It's going to be directly compared to the recent Marvel films and X-men Days of Future Past...and I don't think it can stand up to that or Captain America: The Winter soldier.

I'm expecting a similar review massacre as The Amazing Spiderman 2 got...so a score similar to that.

Cyber it is almost impossible to guess the rating for the movie without watching the movie first. Trailers alone I am guessing 70%ish.....
I am starting to become quietly optimistic about this movie.

[Xiewin]

This movie is going to get terrible reviews like any other tmnt related film.

[terrorblade]

60 or above. I would still watch it even if it has terrible reviews though, I will rather watch a TMNT movie than the best movie ever anyway.

[Leo656]

This movie is going to get terrible reviews like any other tmnt related film.


I don't think it's just because it's TMNT. I think it's because films based on licensed properties over the last ten years have gone one of two ways: Either more grounded and cerebral, a fantastical situation in a Real World setting (the recent DC and Marvel movies), OR, tongue-in-cheek, wink at the audience, "poke fun at the source material because gosh, you guys, this is just such Silly stuff, isn't it?" kind of approach (stuff like Chipmunks, Smurfs, etc.).

Films in the former category generally do universally well amongst critics and fans in all age groups. Films in the latter category tend to make money but be ripped apart by anyone over the age of twelve, and are looked back on with a sense of, "Wow, I kind of wish they didn't make that movie."

The TMNT movie looks to be strongly in the latter category. It's not going to be ripped apart just for being TMNT, it's that in this day, if you want Mainstream Acceptance for your licensed movie, you have to take a more mature approach to the source material, not make fun of it.

It's going to get ripped because it's yet another movie of the type that critics and adults generally can't stand right now, not because it's TMNT.

[Warhorse]

Cyber it is almost impossible to guess the rating for the movie without watching the movie first. Trailers alone I am guessing 70%ish.....
I am starting to become quietly optimistic about this movie.

He's talking about the Rotten Tomato score. There is a site that all of the critics go to, and they will say either the movie is fresh, or rotten. People online even have stupid wagers on what a movie's rotten tomato score will be. Right now, people are watching the site for the GOTG reviews. At the moment, they are in the upper 90's. Transformers, AOE, is in the teens, which pretty much means the critics hated it. And to be honest, all of the other TMNT movies on the site I believe are rotten as well.

[Leo656]

The earlier films also suffered from being released in an era where every single comic or cartoon-based movie besides Burton's Batman was complete trash, mostly, and it was generally accepted that even at their best, the movies in that genre could only be "Harmless Tripe". We were years away from X-Men, Spider-Man, and Batman Begins raising the bar. Back then, TMNT or any comic/cartoon movie getting an actual good review was about as impossible to imagine as Scooby-Doo winning the Oscar, regardless of quality. It really wasn't until Batman Begins that you heard anyone say, "Well, I don't give a sh*t about cartoons or comic books, but wow, that movie was terrific!" It just wasn't "allowed" to even think that way back in the days when the first TMNT flick came out.

Almost everyone has agreed that the first film deserved much better reviews than it got, even some of the critics who initially reviewed it. It was being graded on a curve of, "Well, it's still Just For Kids, so while it may be palatable tripe, it's still tripe," rather than, "Wow, that's actually a pretty entertaining movie on its own, and you don't even have to be a little kid or a huge nerd to think so."

Conversely, I think the second movie's reviews benefited from that same sliding scale. It got way more understanding and acceptance - if not praise - than it ever would today, simply because it was being judged on the Just For Kids scale. First movie under-achieved, second one over-achieved. Hindsight is interesting.

[DioLeo451]

The correct answer is 'who gives a crap'

But going by Cybercubed's prediction of 40. Wouldn't that make it the highest or second highest rated TMNT movie?
It has to be in the 50,60,70s etc for that to happen

[Shark_Blade]

Rottentomatoes is hugely unreliable, what with lame movies like Lego Movie got 99% (now 96%) and The Muppets 96%. But TMNT 1 got 44%?

It's laughably rubbish. So I don't care about that rotten-like-garbage site.

[Commenter 42]

I'm going with 23%, but I'm also a fan of 42...

[Vicky82]

As we had a few positive reviews so far, i'm going to say between 55% and 75% maybe a bit more.

[Candy Kappa]

somewhere between 10-30%

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I'm hoping for 60%-70%, but I doubt it.

[ZariusTwo]

what with lame movies like Lego Movie got 99% (now 96%)

And with that, you've sunk all of your credibility on the 'net

[Bry]

As we had a few positive reviews so far, i'm going to say between 55% and 75% maybe a bit more.

Ehh, the positive comments are mostly from dudes in screamo bands who got an advance screening with the Warped Tour. I don't expect that to have any bearing on critics or the general audience, necessarily. And I don't really count it as a review if they're not explaining what's good about it beyond basically saying "that was sick".

I honestly have no idea how this is gonna go down, but if I have to predict? Less than 44%.

[Lou 500]

I reckon 45 - 50%

[pdizzle]

And with that, you've sunk all of your credibility on the 'net

but he is right.....just my opinion tho

[ObiWanFan4life]

My guess is :

56% Critics
80% Audience

Consensus: Although it is Entertaining in some of it's humour and action scenes, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ia plagued by some of the clichés we've come to expect from a Michael Bay Style film.

[Radical Raph]

50-60%. The consensus will be that while the movie can be fun and entertaining, there's little suspense since the turtles are virtually indestructible.

[RaphAndDonnie]

I'm guessing the 30-45% range.

[This_is_my_username]

35 to 45%.

[Tazi]

I hope it's 0%.

[massakre]

gonna roll with 55-60% range

[Xiewin]

This thread needs to be deleted.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

This thread needs to be deleted.

Why does it need to be?

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Resident Evil has 33% rating and it keeps getting sequels. ;)

[snake]

20%, 30%, or 45%.

[FoxBoxKid]

Rottentomatoes is hugely unreliable, what with lame movies like Lego Movie got 99% (now 96%) and The Muppets 96%. But TMNT 1 got 44%?

It's laughably rubbish. So I don't care about that rotten-like-garbage site.

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[snake]

Rottentomatoes is hugely unreliable, what with lame movies like Lego Movie got 99% (now 96%) and The Muppets 96%. But TMNT 1 got 44%?

It's laughably rubbish. So I don't care about that rotten-like-garbage site.

The Lego Movie wasn't bad. Did you even see it?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Resident Evil has 33% rating and it keeps getting sequels. ;)

Transformers 4 is 17% and it's getting a sequel too.

As long as a film makes money, a sequel will be made.

[NinjaPug]

Are they even having early press screenings for this? I know they had some for fans but I haven't seen anything about critics. That's typically a very bad sign.

My guess is around 40% which would definitely classify the movie as 'rotten' on that site.

[snake]

Transformers 4 is 17% and it's getting a sequel too.

As long as a film makes money, a sequel will be made.

Is it really? Wow, then I expect TMNT to have a score like that.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Rottentomatoes is hugely unreliable, what with lame movies like Lego Movie got 99% (now 96%) and The Muppets 96%.

Not sure what Movie you saw...

[Tora]

53% RT Critics and 68% Audience is my guess.

[Commenter 42]

I hope it's 0%.

It certainly deserves it, maybe less. :lol:

[Shadowsculptor]

I'd say anything less than 30%

It truly doesn't matter to me though. Shark Blade is right. Never trust Rotten Tomatoes. Just see the film yourself! Some of the "worst movies" could be some of your favorite films ever. Some of the best rated movies could be ones you really dislike.

I didn't find the Lego movie to be all that great, but that's a bad example haha.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I'd wager somewhere in the 30% range. I don't see this going over well with critics, but I hope I'm wrong and it's a solid addition to the summer.

[jestermon]

The correct answer is 'who gives a crap'

But going by Cybercubed's prediction of 40. Wouldn't that make it the highest or second highest rated TMNT movie?

Yeah I still have no clue what great weight this site holds for movies.

[Leo656]

Mostly, only for the business side of things. The fact is, other than money, metric sites like rottentomatoes and metacritic are what development studios look at when judging the reception for movies, games, etc, and can completely decide what goes into a sequel or even if one gets made. In reading a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff about movie and game development, you hear a lot of big shot producers saying stuff like, "What can we do to make sure this product gets at least an 80?" It's almost as important to them as the actual gross, because it's one thing to count all the money you made from your product, but it's also important to know what the general feeling is, so you know what to do or not to do going forward. Entire series have been cancelled or hastily re-worked based on those ratings.

A lot of regular people do pay attention to them, too, but I feel like they have more impact on the business side of things where there's less room for discussing the nuances of things. "Our movie did a 70. Their movie did an 85. Their movie had more explosions, so we need to fix that in our next movie." I think fans just like reading a consensus of opinions but don't put as much stock in those opinions as people who actually have money involved.

[Shark_Blade]

Mostly, only for the business side of things. The fact is, other than money, metric sites like rottentomatoes and metacritic are what development studios look at when judging the reception for movies, games, etc, and can completely decide what goes into a sequel or even if one gets made. In reading a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff about movie and game development, you hear a lot of big shot producers saying stuff like, "What can we do to make sure this product gets at least an 80?" It's almost as important to them as the actual gross, because it's one thing to count all the money you made from your product, but it's also important to know what the general feeling is, so you know what to do or not to do going forward. Entire series have been cancelled or hastily re-worked based on those ratings.

A lot of regular people do pay attention to them, too, but I feel like they have more impact on the business side of things where there's less room for discussing the nuances of things. "Our movie did a 70. Their movie did an 85. Their movie had more explosions, so we need to fix that in our next movie." I think fans just like reading a consensus of opinions but don't put as much stock in those opinions as people who actually have money involved.
That never stops Paranormal Activity or Transformers for example. :trazz:

As long as they keep making big money, they'll keep churning that franchise non stop, regardless of he reviews.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

That never stops Paranormal Activity

to be fair, the Paranormal movies are made with such low low budgets,and a 1 camera style ,that it could pretty much bomb and still make its profit back and then some

i think the first one was made with only 15,000

they are cheap to produce and easier to make

but anyways i never listen to rotten tomatoes..mostly do to a friend who treats it like the bible

[Warhorse]

Rottentomatoes is hugely unreliable, what with lame movies like Lego Movie got 99% (now 96%) and The Muppets 96%. But TMNT 1 got 44%?

It's laughably rubbish. So I don't care about that rotten-like-garbage site.

And then there is the potential bias of the site. I'm not saying anything, but I am pretty the fact that WB owns the site is in the back of people's minds, when judging how accurate the RT is.

[Leo656]

That never stops Paranormal Activity or Transformers for example. :trazz:

As long as they keep making big money, they'll keep churning that franchise non stop, regardless of he reviews.


It's a balance of the two. When the money's coming in just fine, they care a little less. The second that one of the movies in a series falls even a little bit short, they hit those websites looking for things to "fix" based on what people complain about. One of the things that annoyed me about "Man Of Steel", for example, was that SO much of it was done as a direct response to "Superman Returns". That movie was full of blatant "fixes" based on stuff people online cried about with the last movie. You could see the strings; "People said there wasn't enough action last time, let's just go ahead and blow up everything this time, so we get some'a that Avengers money."

So, while the money counts for most, general consensus counts for a lot, too... but it tends to carry more weight when the money slows down.

[Warhorse]

Are they even having early press screenings for this? I know they had some for fans but I haven't seen anything about critics. That's typically a very bad sign.

My guess is around 40% which would definitely classify the movie as 'rotten' on that site.

I wanted to know when the embargo lifts myself. The only reviews I am truly looking forward to, are not even from the major critics themselves, but Black Nerd and JerermyJahns, who I think can give the reviews I want to hear. I don't need to hear how pretentious the critics think of themselves and outlook view of a movie, or trying to reach for some deep meaning or expecting some deep meaning in a movie when there was never an implication that that was what the movie was being made for to begin with.

Right now, we got critics giving GOTG rotten scores, simply because the movie is too much fun. The TMNT are fun characters and the movie is giving it this vibe that it's all about the fun factor and just enjoying yourself for an hour and a half. And I wish the critics would get off their high horse and understand this.

I'd wager somewhere in the 30% range. I don't see this going over well with critics, but I hope I'm wrong and it's a solid addition to the summer.

The consensus to really determine if a movie hit the right notes I would assume would be the movie metacritic. They actually poll people at the movies to give the movie they just saw a rating with A+, A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D- and F. When it starts to tinker into the D's, it usually means it's not going to be well liked by the GA and will find it difficult to get in it's profits. Granted, like anything, this isn't always accurate. That site got a good rating for the last Star Trek, and the movie still disappointed in the box office.

[Konchadunga]

I have used Rotten Tomatoes ever since Yahoo Movies stopped working, and I find the debate over whether it's reliable to be very irrelevant, because it's reviews all stem from different people. RT is no less or more than an archive of independent sources.

[samxsteal]

I have used Rotten Tomatoes ever since Yahoo Movies stopped working, and I find the debate over whether it's reliable to be very irrelevant, because it's reviews all stem from different people. RT is no less or more than an archive of independent sources.

It more or less the fact that they remove, replace..etc etc Reviews for movies. They are bias, The site has no Moderation at all. Its full of trolls with no life. Seriously the site is ridiculous.

[Midnight Mutant]

I think the critics rating will be about 30-40% and the audience rating will be about 70-90%.

I think it will be closer to each other than Transformers 4.

[Roseangelo]

It's got a current critics' rating of 38%.

[Jester]

Not RT, but IMDB's demographic break down:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y132/Jesterangelo/Demographicbreakdown.png

[Shark_Blade]

TMNT 2014 currently got 94% rating of audiences interested in seeing the movie. :tcool:

But honestly who cares about the critics? Most of them know nothing but whine and rant behind a computer screen, belittling movies like wretched little trolls.

Maleficent got 50% rating yet it grossed $727 millions worldwide. First TMNT movie was great too but they gave 42%? **** outta here.

[Leo656]

But if by some chance the critics loved it, I have a feeling you'd probably be all "See? SEE?!"

Nothing personal, but you've already said, many, many, may times, that you're going to like the movie no matter what, so why waste any time getting angry at people doing what they're paid to do for a living? That's their job. They're supposed to say what they think, and not everything they have to say is ever going to be positive.

That's why they're called "Professional Critics" and not "Professional Cheerleaders". The very word "critic" implies that their job is to be highly analytical and scrutinizing. It's right their in their job description.

[Shark_Blade]

I can't remember the last time I was like "See? See?" on a movie based on reviews... :tlol: Probably never, so yeah.

I do not care truly, but when I see this thread title (about rottentomatoes) I feel like I gotta throw in a bone or two because of how I feel about these so called "professionals".

[Prowler]

Hard to predict the exact number, but I do think an overwhelming number of the reviews will contain phrases such as "over-the-top", "mindless", "silly", "absurd", "paint-by-numbers", "corny", "cheesy," "juvenile", "mindless 'action movie' mayhem," "CGI-fest", and "trying painfully hard - and failing - to be 'hip'." I think we can pretty much go ahead and write the reviews right now based on the trailers, and how well critics usually do with Movies Like This.

Oh, and every single goddamn article and review will contain at least four cute little pizza jokes and at least one side-splittingly clever "Cowabunga Dude! These Ain't Your Daddy's Ninja Turtles!" :roll:

Pretty much this, yeah. That being said, I doubt the score will be higher than 40%.

[Jester]

Which will make it the 2nd highest rated TMNT movie behind the live action original.

[Prowler]

Anyway, does it really matter what Rotten Tomatoes think of the movie?

[Leo656]

I can't remember the last time I was like "See? See?" on a movie based on reviews... :tlol: Probably never, so yeah.

I do not care truly, but when I see this thread title (about rottentomatoes) I feel like I gotta throw in a bone or two because of how I feel about these so called "professionals".

Maybe not you personally, but a lot of people would be. A LOT of people would be.

And I can disagree or agree with critics all day long, but at the end of the day, they get paid for their opinions and I'm just a geek with too much time on his hands. So, y'know, we can all kind of think what we want, but it kinda doesn't mean anything of substance. If we were smart, we'd be Them, wouldn't we? Doing exactly what we already do, but getting paid for it, and never having to do anything else?

That's why I don't get people hating on critics. I don't agree with a lot of what they say either, but nobody gives a sh*t what I say or they'd pay me, so who am I to say they're "wrong"?

[Shark_Blade]

Anyway, does it really matter what Rotten Tomatoes think of the movie?

Nope. It never deter our love for the movies in the past, and it won't now, nor in the future.

[Prowler]

But if by some chance the critics loved it, I have a feeling you'd probably be all "See? SEE?!"

Nothing personal, but you've already said, many, many, may times, that you're going to like the movie no matter what, so why waste any time getting angry at people doing what they're paid to do for a living? That's their job. They're supposed to say what they think, and not everything they have to say is ever going to be positive.

That's why they're called "Professional Critics" and not "Professional Cheerleaders". The very word "critic" implies that their job is to be highly analytical and scrutinizing. It's right their in their job description.
I dunno if that was your original intention or not, but I'll be damned, you make being a professional critic sound like the perfect job.

[TigerClaw]

It just goes to show that these reviews, Don't really have any affect on the people who see these films, I think some of these reviews just don't really get it.

The Audience Ratings are always gonna be much higher then the Critics ratings.

These films pander to the audience, Not the critics.

[Prowler]

It just goes to show that these reviews, Don't really have any affect on the people who see these films, I think some of these reviews just don't really get it.

The Audience Ratings are always gonna be much higher then the Critics rating.

These films pander to audience, Not the critics.
Do most people even read what critics write? I speak for myself but I'd rather read a fan review than a critic's one.

[TigerClaw]

Do most people even read what critics write? I speak for myself but I'd rather read a fan review than a critic's one.
Yeah, When you read a Fan review, They totally get it, Cause they know about all the intricacies about the franchise.

[Leo656]

On the flip side, movie critics are more invested in what makes a good or bad movie and aren't beholden to brand or product loyalty. Far too many people have said "It's TMNT, how can it be bad?" in reference to the movie, the cartoons, anything, for their opinion to be considered anything but highly biased, thus making it impossible for any non-fans to give their opinion any weight. Are fans more aware of some of the intricacies and nuances their favorite franchise has, and thus more apt to point them out and discuss them? Absolutely. Do those same people honestly know what makes a "good" or "bad" movie, though? Can they distinguish the many, often very subtle variables that separate between "Entertaining" and "Good"? Because things don't have to be good to be entertaining, but too often "fans" can't quite grasp the idea that just because something tickles your fancy doesn't mean it isn't still bad.

I used to review CDs for my high school paper. The very first thing I was told was, "Don't be a fan". Critics have to approach things objectively, because they are addressing both fans AND non-fans of a movie, record, whatever. At least, that's how it's supposed to work.

I very, very often disagree with critics, myself, but I get where a lot of them are coming from, and I often agree with parts of what they're saying even if I disagree with the main assessment. I tend to look less at the star rating and way more at the body of text, personally.

I kind of know what you mean, though. I loved "Speed Racer" and I don't think anyone who didn't love the original cartoon could "get" it. :ohwell: I think they should, because it's a lot of fun and I genuinely don't agree with like, any of their "negatives". But hey, they thought it was too loud and too silly, and if that's what they thought then whatever, they're doing their job. I kind of don't think anyone who never saw the show had any business reviewing it, so yeah, I totally do get where you're coming from. I just don't think that, in general, "fans" are objective enough to really critique a film. They're too close to the material.

[massakre]

currently sitting at 38% on Rotten Tomatoes.. just fyi

[Bry]

On the flip side, movie critics are more invested in what makes a good or bad movie and aren't beholden to brand or product loyalty. Far too many people have said "It's TMNT, how can it be bad?" in reference to the movie, the cartoons, anything, for their opinion to be considered anything but highly biased, thus making it impossible for any non-fans to give their opinion any weight. Are fans more aware of some of the intricacies and nuances their favorite franchise has, and thus more apt to point them out and discuss them? Absolutely. Do those same people honestly know what makes a "good" or "bad" movie, though? Can they distinguish the many, often very subtle variables that separate between "Entertaining" and "Good"? Because things don't have to be good to be entertaining, but too often "fans" can't quite grasp the idea that just because something tickles your fancy doesn't mean it isn't still bad.

Exactly. Well said.

Critics' opinions aren't scientific fact, and some are better than others, but they are supposed to look at things without the "fan goggles" on and look at it on its own merits as a story and a piece of creative art. I think it's important to at least consider these different perspectives. You can be a fan of something and still acknowledge its flaws and shortcomings. If anything, the fans should be the people who want their property to be as good as possible, right? And sometimes that means being critical when it's worth being critical.

I love TMNT, and it's because I'm a fan that I won't support just anything with the property's name attached to it. I want it to be handled well. I want quality, because I think the property deserves it and I think it'd be stronger for it.

You know how a lot of people have the reaction like, "It's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles; did you expect it to be good?" in response to this movie, or a part of the franchise (or even the franchise as a whole)? I've heard it. And I'm tired of that mindset and that kind of question. I want the sheer strength of the material to make that question seem ridiculous. And every time we get a sub-par or mediocre installment, it gets that much harder.

[pannoni1]

What's wrong with Rotten Tomatoes? There is a difference between quality and loyalty, and it seemingly shows with the critic/audience divide just because real fans are glad to see them back. That said, Metacritic (still with the bulk of reviews to come) has it just out of the yellow range with a 39 rating, and I feel that will pretty much follow Rotten Tomatoes' lead. Its similar to long-running shows such as The Simpsons, Wheel of Fortune, and Spongebob; while far past their best quality, the loyalty and legacy provided that it can satisfy what the brand means to them is what matters most, not how good of a plot is.

[Sabacooza]

What's wrong with Rotten Tomatoes? There is a difference between quality and loyalty, and it seemingly shows with the critic/audience divide just because real fans are glad to see them back. That said, Metacritic (still with the bulk of reviews to come) has it just out of the yellow range with a 39 rating, and I feel that will pretty much follow Rotten Tomatoes' lead. Its similar to long-running shows such as The Simpsons, Wheel of Fortune, and Spongebob; while far past their best quality, the loyalty and legacy provided that it can satisfy what the brand means to them is what matters most, not how good of a plot is.I really don't listen to reviews much but it would be nice if TMNT could get rave reviews and be loved as much as these other movies one day. I'd be lying if I said it didn't hurt just a little.

[Cipher]

Exactly. Well said.

Critics' opinions aren't scientific fact, and some are better than others, but they are supposed to look at things without the "fan goggles" on and look at it on its own merits as a story and a piece of creative art. I think it's important to at least consider these different perspectives. You can be a fan of something and still acknowledge its flaws and shortcomings. If anything, the fans should be the people who want their property to be as good as possible, right? And sometimes that means being critical when it's worth being critical.

I love TMNT, and it's because I'm a fan that I won't support just anything with the property's name attached to it. I want it to be handled well. I want quality, because I think the property deserves it and I think it'd be stronger for it.

You know how a lot of people have the reaction like, "It's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles; did you expect it to be good?" in response to this movie, or a part of the franchise (or even the franchise as a whole)? I've heard it. And I'm tired of that mindset and that kind of question. I want the sheer strength of the material to make that question seem ridiculous. And every time we get a sub-par or mediocre installment, it gets that much harder.
Co-signed.

Do most people even read what critics write? I speak for myself but I'd rather read a fan review than a critic's one.
There's a place for both. And, as a fan, I might be interested in both. I'll put a lot more stock into a good film critic's review, though.

[strawberryfields]

Its up to 44%, making it the second highest rated TMNT movie next to the 1990 original, which had 45%. I'm curious how this rating will bounce around the next couple days

[massakre]

Its up to 44%, making it the second highest rated TMNT movie next to the 1990 original, which had 45%. I'm curious how this rating will bounce around the next couple days

same here.. the next few days will be quite interesting :)

[Radical Raph]

Its up to 44%, making it the second highest rated TMNT movie next to the 1990 original, which had 45%. I'm curious how this rating will bounce around the next couple days
Yea, but there's no telling yet what it will end up with.

[Leo656]

There's a place for both. And, as a fan, I might be interested in both. I'll put a lot more stock into a good film critic's review, though.

You know what? In cases like this, I try and read reviews from people who identify as "fans", and people who admit they have nothing to do with the licensed property in question, and I count how many things they agree on, because if people who love a franchise and people who aren't at all invested in it are saying similar things about a movie, I have a pretty decent idea that those points, at least, are pretty valid. Good or bad, if fans and non-fans are sharing similar points in their critiques, I know there's some more weight behind what they're saying. If two people start from completely different positions and reach the same conclusions, well... that's telling, y'know?

[Sighphi]

I rather go with critic reviews because most of the time they know nothing about the subject of the movie so they ACTUALLY review the movie.

Fans can go all over the place simply because they are fans and enjoy seeing X thing on screen, etc, etc. Reading some GotG reviews has some people enjoying Ronan while others calling it a waste of the character. I dont care about this i will make my mind of the use of the character when i see it. But if a reviewer says that X character was useless then that means a lot more.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I'd honestly put more stock into the Metacritic score as opposed to RT. It gives you a better idea of how much the reviewer liked/disliked the movie instead of making it into a matter of simply bad or good.

[JTH]

A critic review will tend to weigh more than a fan review, because a fan is most likely going to enjoy the movie regardless.

A critic will represent what a mainstream fan and/or audience will think. And as much as we are fans of the franchise, we need to acknowledge the majority of the audience that will see this movie will still be "mainstreamers".

I'd honestly put more stock into the Metacritic score as opposed to RT. It gives you a better idea of how much the reviewer liked/disliked the movie instead of making it into a matter of simply bad or good.
RT still gives you an actual rating for a critic review if you check their profile page.

[Bmaga123]

Score is down to 36% now WTF! Some of the reviews are so harsh its actually making me angry and I haven't even seen the movie yet :x

[TigerClaw]

Score is down to 36% now WTF! Some of the reviews are so harsh its actually making me angry and I haven't even seen the movie yet :x
That's to be expected, Critics are always harsh on films that are meant to be fun popcorn flicks. One thing I know, Is to never take those reviews seriously since, That's just there opinions and they get paid to do reviews.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Besides, it's not like the Ninja Turtles franchise has ever been critic proof. Most of these films have Rotten Tomato scores of below 50% and that first film is in my top 10 favorite movies of all time.

[DioLeo451]

Score is down to 36% now WTF! Some of the reviews are so harsh its actually making me angry and I haven't even seen the movie yet :x
.............http://31.media.tumblr.com/ef88d152e5102048a538f2cc237cc19e/tumblr_mkqimsIvr61ruw1vso1_500.gif

[Vicky82]

Score is down to 36% now WTF! Some of the reviews are so harsh its actually making me angry and I haven't even seen the movie yet :x

Yeah but it's early days yet as it's only got 11 reviews, so I wouldn't worry about it untill we get like over 50 reviews to see if it stays rotten or be fresh.

Hopefully by next week it should have about 200 reviews.

[NinjaPug]

Down to 29%.

[Bry]

Down to 29%.

Oof. Wonder if 44% was as high as it was ever gonna get.

[Radical Raph]

Down to 29%.
Geeze. I hope it at least scores better than the third movie.

[THGhost]

Geeze. I hope it at least scores better than the third movie.

Yeah, because the 3rd one is garbage compared to the other 2 incredibly flawed, cheesy, camp fests. Right?

30-50%. Couldn't possibly choose an exact number.

It's currently at an all time low of 29% btw. :P

[Radical Raph]

Yeah, because the 3rd one is garbage compared to the other 2 incredibly flawed, cheesy, camp fests. Right?
Pretty much, yea. The first one still kinda holds up for me. The second one not as much and the third one... yikes.

[Bry]

Pretty much, yea. The first one still kinda holds up for me. The second one not as much and the third one... yikes.

I've re-watched all three in the past few weeks. And yeah - the second and third movies have serious problems (the third especially is just god-awful) but I think the first movie holds up quite well. It's flawed, but actually has a decent story, mostly-good acting, and is legitimately enjoyable.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

I need to watch III again. I remember watching it last year and being surprised that it was better than I remembered it being. The thing that grated me the most was the noticeably lower quality suits.

I still remember feeling like there were some problems with it, but also feeling like there was some charm to the plot. But it's a bit fuzzy, just remembering a few of the impressions I had rather than details.

Perhaps I'll see TMNT in theaters twice this weekend.......or perhaps I'll marathon the movies at home and console myself with pizza if tonight's showing yields a poor review from me as well.

[Radical Raph]

I need to watch III again. I remember watching it last year and being surprised that it was better than I remembered it being. The thing that grated me the most was the noticeably lower quality suits.

I still remember feeling like there were some problems with it, but also feeling like there was some charm to the plot. But it's a bit fuzzy, just remembering a few of the impressions I had rather than details.

Perhaps I'll see TMNT in theaters twice this weekend.......or perhaps I'll marathon the movies at home and console myself with pizza if tonight's showing yields a poor review from me as well.
JoBlo just did an article on it: http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/awfully-good-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-iii-219-02

[Bry]

Down to 28% now.

[Radical Raph]

Down to 28% now.
I'm seeing 26% already:

Given the pedigree, a forgettably bad Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie is perhaps the best result anyone could have hoped for.

[TigerClaw]

It's down to 22% now.

[Bry]

If it falls below TMNT 3's 21%... ouch.

I imagine the reviews are gonna keep coming in quick, though, so who knows.

[Radical Raph]

If it falls below TMNT 3's 21%... ouch.

I imagine the reviews are gonna keep coming in quick, though, so who knows.
Even if it does, I seriously doubt it will be worse than TMNT 3. I think critics are just wanting to hate this thing. But I will find out more after I see it tonight.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

said this in another thread but i will bring it up here


could all these free screenings be hurting the box office?

[TigerClaw]

If it falls below TMNT 3's 21%... ouch.

I imagine the reviews are gonna keep coming in quick, though, so who knows.
Its at 20% now, But no one should take sites like that literal, Low ratings on Rotten Tomatoes never really hurt the movies. Thats for the audience to decide.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_2013/

[Sabacooza]

said this in another thread but i will bring it up here


could all these free screenings be hurting the box office?This is exactly what's happening and it's a stupid, stupid move.:x

[Bry]

Its at 20% now, But no one should take sites like that literal, Low ratings on Rotten Tomatoes never really hurt the movies. Thats for the audience to decide.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_2013/

Well, fair enough. And there are bound to be a ton more reviews that could change things between now and the weekend. I doubt it'll ever get as high as the 40's again, but...

It still doesn't make it look good, though. For whatever that "means".

[TigerClaw]

Rating down to 18%

Into The Storm has a 10%

[Bry]

And it finally got a consensus write-up:

Neither entertaining enough to recommend nor remarkably awful, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles may bear the distinction of being the dullest movie ever made about talking bipedal reptiles.

[TigerClaw]

And it finally got a consensus write-up:
I find it funny that they think the movie is Dull, The TMNT movies were never Dull when you take into account, all the action that goes on.

[Radical Raph]

I really thought that there would be at least a few more positive reviews by now.

[Candy Kappa]

being dull is worse then being bad, at least with bad movies you can have fun riffing on them. Despite the issues I have with this movie, I do hope the action scenes are bearable, even if the story apparently is paper thin.

[Bry]

I find it funny that they think the movie is Dull, The TMNT movies were never Dull when you take into account, all the action that goes on.

Well, action itself doesn't make a movie exciting. There has to be a good story and an emotional connection to draw people in. The Transformers movies (to pick an easy example) have a ton of action, but I don't care about what's happening or anyone who's on screen, so for me they're a chore to sit through.

It's really a subjective thing, though.

[Autbot_Benz]

I still don't care what the reviewers say. RT shat all over Age of Extinction and I loved that movie so I expect the same to happen with Turtles.

[Bry]

17% now.

Watching that score tumble is strangely addicting. Wonder if it'll bounce back up at all?

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

wow thats bad....even if you werent expecting great reviews thats low

not feeling like we will hear a sequel annoucment any time soon..but dvd sales may change that..i mean wasnt there a huge gap between TF1 AND 2/.....lets see if that number jumps up at all

[Anton Chigurh]

Alot of guys are foaming out the mouth seeing that rating drop, it's hilarious because these are the same ppl that would disregard RT if it had a 70% or higher rating.

I knew this movie wasn't going to get a high score, it's tmnt not fugging gone with the wind.

[Sumac]

I knew this movie wasn't going to get a high score, it's tmnt not fugging gone with the wind.
Yeah, sure. Because entertaining movie can't be possibly good in the critics eyes, right?

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

http://moviepostersandanimationart.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/0065_toy-story-original.jpg

Critics just hate kids movies with weird concepts.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

I knew this movie wasn't going to get a high score, it's tmnt not fugging gone with the wind.

theres a difference between a movie not getting "good" reviews because of a persons taste and a not well put together movie

[Bry]

If it got 70% or higher, that'd probably mean it was a good movie. That's what I want in a TMNT movie. I'd be happy to see that.

As for "it's not Gone with the Wind"? The same kind of argument could have been (and was!) made for any other comic book movie before they got really good at making them. And yet here we are in 2014, with several critic and audience acclaimed comic movies that are also some of the biggest box office earners of the year.

There's not much excuse for making bad movies anymore, regardless of genre or subject matter. Any concept can be turned into a legitimately good movie.

[Warhorse]

wow thats bad....even if you werent expecting great reviews thats low

not feeling like we will hear a sequel annoucment any time soon..but dvd sales may change that..i mean wasnt there a huge gap between TF1 AND 2/.....lets see if that number jumps up at all

Eh, Transformers is still getting a fifth movie. But then again, it's already proven itself at the box office with 3 previous hits, and the monster that is out now.

[Joey Kamikaze]

I'm honestly surprised it's over 10%. I guess there's still time for it to drop some more. :tlol:

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Eh, Transformers is still getting a fifth movie. But then again, it's already proven itself at the box office with 3 previous hits, and the monster that is out now.

I still think the overseas appeal of cars + robots gives Transformers a much stronger leg to stand on, though.

TMNT is going to suffer a bit from the delay between US and international releases. Enough word of mouth could really hurt the film's international box office.

Resident Evil (ugh, FML, Resident Evil, every one of them, has a higher critical rating than TMNT2014) has 20-30% critical review, but keeps getting sequels because of massive overseas market loving the series. That 33% from critics is inconsequential to the 68% audience rating. And that's not good on either front, but still makes money.

So TMNT2014 is at 17% with critics. The lowest of any TMNT movie now. But if the audience ratings start coming in at 75% or so, that can still bolster the international take. If the general audience consensus is 40% or less.......could be a nail in the coffin.

I'm honestly starting to worry about seeing this in 4 hours, but I bought the ticket. I'll watch it and write my review tonight. :tcool:

Still haven't read a full review myself, but this blurb is painful to me:
"A film so overworked to ensure mass-market appeal that it loses the charming oddness and loose goofiness that has allowed these characters to endure."

[Warhorse]

I still think the overseas appeal of cars + robots gives Transformers a much stronger leg to stand on, though.

TMNT is going to suffer a bit from the delay between US and international releases. Enough word of mouth could really hurt the film's international box office.

Resident Evil (ugh, FML, Resident Evil, every one of them, has a higher critical rating than TMNT2014) has 20-30% critical review, but keeps getting sequels because of massive overseas market loving the series. That 33% from critics is inconsequential to the 68% audience rating. And that's not good on either front, but still makes money.

So TMNT2014 is at 17% with critics. The lowest of any TMNT movie now. But if the audience ratings start coming in at 75% or so, that can still bolster the international take. If the general audience consensus is 40% or less.......could be a nail in the coffin.

I'm honestly starting to worry about seeing this in 4 hours, but I bought the ticket. I'll watch it and write my review tonight. :tcool:

My friends and I might see it tomorrow. We're thinking of doing a double feature with GOTG IMAx.

I'm a little bummed about the RT, but in the end, I really don't care for that site much, or the critics period. I have seen them praise the hell out of movies, for me to just think the movie is OK, or actually sucks (Drive is number one for on this sh!t list, Gravity is close behind) But then I have seen them blast movies that I thought were good (The Lone Ranger, and pretty much all of the TMNT movies prior to this)

I don't know what to expect. My only real expectation I have now, is that Raphael is a complete badass. If he does turn out to be like this wuss that cowers like I've been seeing people claim is happening, then I'm just going to probably put this movie on par with Next Mutation. In other words, it never happened.

[TigerClaw]

It jumped back up to 33%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_2013/

[NinjaPug]

It jumped back up to 33%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_2013/

No it hasn't. That's just a glitch.

There are 36 reviews with only 6 considered fresh. That's 17%.

[voltron80]

If it got 70% or higher, that'd probably mean it was a good movie. That's what I want in a TMNT movie. I'd be happy to see that.

As for "it's not Gone with the Wind"? The same kind of argument could have been (and was!) made for any other comic book movie before they got really good at making them. And yet here we are in 2014, with several critic and audience acclaimed comic movies that are also some of the biggest box office earners of the year.

There's not much excuse for making bad movies anymore, regardless of genre or subject matter. Any concept can be turned into a legitimately good movie.

I bet your keyboard is sticky..

[JTH]

http://moviepostersandanimationart.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/0065_toy-story-original.jpg

Critics just hate kids movies with weird concepts.
That's not the right movie to give that example to.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/toy_story/

[ZariusTwo]

Heh, NYC Magazine/Vulture="It insists upon itself Lois" :P

[Joey Kamikaze]

That's not the right movie to give that example to.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/toy_story/
I believe that was sarcasm. :p

And the rating's down to 16% now.

[voltron80]

I believe that was sarcasm. :p

And the rating's down to 16% now.

I pray Turtles fall in second place because a lot of people will be on suicide watch if its number one once the weekend is over. And can someone explain why I should care what reviewers think?

[chrisdude]

My friends and I might see it tomorrow. We're thinking of doing a double feature with GOTG IMAx.

I'm a little bummed about the RT, but in the end, I really don't care for that site much, or the critics period. I have seen them praise the hell out of movies, for me to just think the movie is OK, or actually sucks (Drive is number one for on this sh!t list, Gravity is close behind) But then I have seen them blast movies that I thought were good (The Lone Ranger, and pretty much all of the TMNT movies prior to this)This really isn't the kind of movie for which critics need to be referenced. These kinds of movies deliver what they promise, and people see them for exactly that. And those people probably don't need Rotten Tomatoes, or any reviews, to make that call. It's like having food critics review Chinese take-out.

The reviewers must be sitting in their seats, thinking, "Why am I here? We all know what this movie is."

[JTH]

I believe that was sarcasm. :p

And the rating's down to 16% now.
Rule #242.2 If you post a comment that is meant to be sarcasm, the following must be posted:

THE FOLLOWING COMMENT IS 100% SARCASM!!!

[Bry]

I bet your keyboard is sticky..

Does trolling people help distract you from how bad the movie is?

You're not helping yourself, sport.

[voltron80]

Does trolling people help distract you from how bad the movie is?

You're not helping yourself, sport.

Little Bry you must confused me with someone that cares what other people think. But I do have a gift for you just in case TMNT tops Guardians of Whatever this weekend. http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org/

And here's a old saying Bry and Boston
http://rlv.zcache.com/opinions_are_like_assholes_everybody_has_one_stick er-rff186650f540431eaf62c45dd50f7017_v9wth_8byvr_512. jpg

[JTH]

http://rlv.zcache.com/opinions_are_like_assholes_everybody_has_one_stick er-rff186650f540431eaf62c45dd50f7017_v9wth_8byvr_512. jpg
That's just stupid.

I love to hear other's opinions.

I just love more to shake my head, snicker, and laugh in their face when I hear it.

[TigerClaw]

Went up to 18%

The positive review came from this.
http://fromthebalcony.com/movie-reviews/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-2014/



It's nearly impossible to gauge what constitutes a "good" Turtles film, but this one delivers the requisite thrills, visual effects, and humor as well as one can reasonably ask for.

Well, now its back to 17%

[chrisdude]

"It's nearly impossible to gauge what constitutes a "good" Turtles film"

I like that. With this franchises diverse history, it's pretty much true.

[THGhost]

I need to watch III again. I remember watching it last year and being surprised that it was better than I remembered it being. The thing that grated me the most was the noticeably lower quality suits.

I still remember feeling like there were some problems with it, but also feeling like there was some charm to the plot. But it's a bit fuzzy, just remembering a few of the impressions I had rather than details.

Bang on. III isn't nearly as bad as people think it is. The movie does have a certain charm to it. The relationship between Raph and Yoshi is endearing, the fight scenes are still cool, the camaraderie between the turtles is still there and it was cool seeing them somewhat portraying a storyline from the original comics - the time scepter; despite there being no Renet Tilly or Savanti Romero. Sure the suits look worse, but what did we expect? Jim Henson died for crying out loud.

If it falls below TMNT 3's 21%... ouch.

I imagine the reviews are gonna keep coming in quick, though, so who knows.

17% now. It was at 16% for a bit. >_<

http://moviepostersandanimationart.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/0065_toy-story-original.jpg

Critics just hate kids movies with weird concepts.

Sarcasm or not, that sort of thing doesn't really translate well online. :P

[Cipher]

"It's nearly impossible to gauge what constitutes a "good" Turtles film"

I like that. With this franchises diverse history, it's pretty much true.
That was actually a backhanded compliment about the franchise's relatively sh*tty film history, as nothing it's put forth on a major stage has given the impression to most reviewers that they could expect something on the level of, say, The Dark Knight in terms of a legitimately good stand-alone comic book film.

Which is wrong, but I can't blame them for what it's historically delivered and if I weren't versed in the Mirage comics among other things, I'd probably agree.

[Bmaga123]

48 reviews total, 8 being fresh and 40 being Rotten :-(

[CyberCubed]

Man I can't believe its only at 17%.

Looks like me speculating it would get at least 40% was being way generous. Holy hell is this movie getting absolutely raped by movie critics.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

I wonder how many more reviews will be added.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

I wonder how many more reviews will be added.

Most mainstream movies have at least 100-150 reviews counted into their score.

[mikey22]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM0WtnBnPRs


you guys ever see this?

the siskel ebert reviews from the old shows

[SwiftNinjaFox]

48 reviews total, 8 being fresh and 40 being Rotten :-(

Sadly, I feel like it's earned it. I'll wait a while before I really discuss my gripes.

[Bry]

Sadly, I feel like it's earned it. I'll wait a while before I really discuss my gripes.

It totally earned it. I walked into the theatre thinking, "Well, it can't be as bad as you're fearing. You might even enjoy it." And it was even worse than I thought.

I can't see this cracking 20% for its final score. I'd be amazed.

[Warhorse]

So, what are the critics main beef with the movie? I haven't seen it yet, but I can't help that the critics are automatically dumping on this just because Bay and Leibersman is involved.

[Bmaga123]

So, what are the critics main beef with the movie? I haven't seen it yet, but I can't help that the critics are automatically dumping on this just because Bay and Leibersman is involved.

That is what it seems like I mean it's a bit bizarre that critics are ranking it so low while almost everyone else is loving it.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

So, what are the critics main beef with the movie? I haven't seen it yet, but I can't help that the critics are automatically dumping on this just because Bay and Leibersman is involved.

Main complaints I've seen from critics have been that it's generic copy/paste blockbuster (I can sort of see it; it's got a near identical climax to Amazing Spider-Man), not much character development (nobody really has their own character arc except maybe April and that's a stretch), and feels half-hearted.

[Commenter 42]

And to think, I said 23%, and felt bad.
16 %, from the reviews, sounds appropriate.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Ouch...looks like it's settling at the lowest of all TMNT films for critics.

It's currently at 66% with audiences, barely above 2007 CG film and higher than TMNT III.

Wonder if it will continue to drop like the critics' rating did, climb, or hold steady.

[Commenter 42]

Ouch...looks like it's settling at the lowest of all TMNT films for critics.

It's currently at 66% with audiences, barely above 2007 CG film and higher than TMNT III.

Wonder if it will continue to drop like the critics' rating did, climb, or hold steady.

The only people excited are in the movie section, on this board, right now.

General audience is pretty "meh".
Also, they've really hurt their foreign by opening months later in other markets.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Yeah, I thought that was going to hurt them for the international box office for a while. Really bad idea, I think.

[TrickOrTreater]

Ouch...looks like it's settling at the lowest of all TMNT films for critics.

It's currently at 66% with audiences, barely above 2007 CG film and higher than TMNT III.

Wonder if it will continue to drop like the critics' rating did, climb, or hold steady.

It could go either way, but I have a feeling it'll drop to around 50ish%

[strawberryfields]

Main complaints I've seen from critics have been that it's generic copy/paste blockbuster (I can sort of see it; it's got a near identical climax to Amazing Spider-Man), not much character development (nobody really has their own character arc except maybe April and that's a stretch), and feels half-hearted.

The climax is more like the first TMNT movie with a couple similarities to ASM2

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

The climax is only like the one in tmnt for four different but familiar reasons.

[strawberryfields]

The climax is only like the one in tmnt for four different but familiar reasons.

The first one ended in a rooftop fight with shredder too, did it not?

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

The first one ended in a rooftop fight with shredder too, did it not?

Of course.

[Bry]

The climax is more like the first TMNT movie with a couple similarities to ASM2

The climax is about the villain releasing a harmful gas from the rooftop of the evil corporate headquarters in downtown Manhattan. A big battle ensues between the hero(es) and the villain, leading to a tower spire collapsing and crashing to the ground below.

I could be referring to either The Amazing Spider-Man or TMNT with that summary.

[Radical Raph]

It totally earned it. I walked into the theatre thinking, "Well, it can't be as bad as you're fearing. You might even enjoy it." And it was even worse than I thought.

I can't see this cracking 20% for its final score. I'd be amazed.
Same here. I pray there is not a sequel.

[Red Robin]

This movie seems to have the same negative potential as Batman and Robin had in 1997. It could easily burn the franchise for years. And if we follow the critics so far it seems like this will happen.

[Radical Raph]

This movie seems to have the same negative potential as Batman and Robin had in 1997. It could easily burn the franchise for years. And if we follow the critics so far it seems like this will happen.
But with Bay's name attached it might actually make enough money even if it isn't critically acclaimed.

[Bry]

This movie seems to have the same negative potential as Batman and Robin had in 1997. It could easily burn the franchise for years. And if we follow the critics so far it seems like this will happen.

And it'd be worth it, if it lead to something on the level of Batman Begins in the end. Not expecting that necessarily, though. But it's a beautiful dream. :twink:

[Joey Kamikaze]

That's my hope: this movie tanks after opening weekend, the studio cans any plans for a sequel, then someone who's actually read the comics comes along in another 5-10 years and finally does the license justice again.

[The True Shredder]

Why am I not surprised? :/

[Raphael232]

I havent seen it yet but if it was truely bad I already want someone else to do it right. Maybe this will be a good thing for the next person that wants to do a TMNT film. Keep the freaking origins as close as possible to the original and do a better job casting.

[hitmonkey]

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Liebesman's track record speaks for itself. The guy doesn't have a single film with a "Fresh" score on RT. In fact, I'm pretty sure his highest rated film is in the low 40's. Hire a terrible director, expect terrible reviews.

[NinjaPug]

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Liebesman's track record speaks for itself. The guy doesn't have a single film with a "Fresh" score on RT. In fact, I'm pretty sure his highest rated film is in the low 40's. Hire a terrible director, expect terrible reviews.

It's not just him. Platinum Dunes only knows how to make terrible movies. Their average RT score is 27% (doesn't include TMNT which is at 20%).

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

I'm surprised the score is that low. Is it a good movie? Far from it. 20% though? It wasn't that bad.

Apparently Into the Storm is keeping TMNT company around the 20% range.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Liebesman's track record speaks for itself. The guy doesn't have a single film with a "Fresh" score on RT. In fact, I'm pretty sure his highest rated film is in the low 40's. Hire a terrible director, expect terrible reviews.

Wrong. His highest rated movie on the rotten tomatoes site is the killing room, it has a 67%.

[Warhorse]

TMNT is getting a B cinemascore. In relation, cinemascore gave Transformers 4 and Captain America A-, GOTG and X-Men got A's. Other B rated movies this year include A Million ways to die in the West, INto the Storm, and The Purge 2. But note, Lucy got a C+ and Hercules got a B+, and Lucy is spanking Hercules across the box office (domestically anyways)

[NinjaPug]

I've always read that a movie has to be ridiculously bad to get a CinemaScore lower than an 'A'

[Warhorse]

I've always read that a movie has to be ridiculously bad to get a CinemaScore lower than an 'A'

Not always. Critic darlings like The American and Drive, which had high rotten tomato scores, had bad cinemascores (but then again, I didn't like Drive at all, and is probably one of the movies I hate the most)

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Not always. Critic darlings like The American and Drive, which had high rotten tomato scores, had bad cinemascores (but then again, I didn't like Drive at all, and is probably one of the movies I hate the most)

What were the cinema scores for the american and drive?

[Warhorse]

What were the cinema scores for the american and drive?

The American got like an F and Drive got like a C.