Who the hell wanted Mondo Gecko back?

[neatoman]

Ok so I'm not really one of the people who are mad that they're using too many elements from the Fred Wolf cartoon because there are some neat ideas like Mutagen Man and Metalhead that really never lived up to their potential. But why on earth bring back Mondo Gecko? He's an outdated 90's stereotype, a waste of imagination, he looks like, like...
http://www.netbrawl.com/uploads/5312000637d92552163653e5e65479f2.gif

Yeah, like that and "that" was meant to satirise shallow ideas.

[ssjup81]

I'm glad they're bringing him back. Just like the other characters, he can be updated to fit this turtleverse. Besides, it would be nice for Mikey to have a friend. Donnie has April, Raph has Casey, Leo has...training... um yeah...

Edit: If Karai hadn't have been mutated, I'd say Karai for Leo, but as she is now, probably not, so if he does get introduced into the series, Usagi Yojimbo.

[ToTheNines]

Me. Once I heard Robbie Rist was voicing him.

[ssjup81]

Me. Once I heard Robbie Rist was voicing him.And this! Mikey hanging with Mikey. :lol:

[Aaronardo]

And didn't Metalhead never have a personality in the OT? Wasn't Mutagen Man pretty annoying (voice-wise)?
It's the changes that make it worthwhile. I'm interested to see what changes we get with Mondo Gecko.

[neatoman]

But why Mondo Gecko though? Mikey has already established a connection with Leatherhead so just make a bigger part of the show, there are already 15 or so characters that don't seem to serve much purpose and now they're going to introduce Mondo Gecko, a Punk Frog, some Care Bears parodies and two Swamp Thing homages?

[CrazySquirrel]

Me. I WANTED MONDO BACK. Hows that for you? He was a fun character and I love the adventures comics. So.... yep I am psyched.

[Shark_Blade]

I only remember him from the back of a toy box that I glanced. But just based on that, I reckon he's a pretty cool character - the name just have a nice ring to it and I still remember it today. And he's kinda like a surfer dude like Mikey I guess so that's a plus.

Bring it on.

[MrTMNT2012]

I love Mondo Gecko. He's to Mikey, what Miyamoto was to Leo and Casey Jones to Raph! They need those kinds of characters.

[ssjup81]

I only remember him from the back of a toy box that I glanced. But just based on that, I reckon he's a pretty cool character - the name just have a nice ring to it and I still remember it today. And he's kinda like a surfer dude like Mikey I guess so that's a plus.

Bring it on.
Yeah, in the OT he was like a surfer like dude, skateboarder, etc., so he got along with Mikey quite well. It sucked that he wasn't in many episodes. The only thing about OT Mondo Gecko that I dislike is the convoluted Venus-style origin story. Archie's version was a bit better origin wise.But why Mondo Gecko though? Mikey has already established a connection with Leatherhead so just make a bigger part of the show, there are already 15 or so characters that don't seem to serve much purpose and now they're going to introduce Mondo Gecko, a Punk Frog, some Care Bears parodies and two Swamp Thing homages?Well, Leatherhead doesn't strike me as the type who'd be into comic books or skateboarding or other leisurely things that Mikey likes. It's great that he and Leatherhead are friends, but I couldn't see him playing the "best bud" role as far as hobbies and interests go.

[TigerClaw]

I'm glad that they brought Mondo Gecko back. Mikey needs a BFF sort of like, how Raph and Casey been BFFs for all these years in the comics.

Being the youngest member of the 4, Mikey needs someone he can relate to, and Mondo Gecko is the perfect character for that. They been buddies in the Archies series comics and Fred Wolf series, Until they killed him off and the rest of the Mutanimals near the end of the comics.

[miru]

Mikey needed somebody to lean on.

[ssjup81]

I'm glad that they brought Mondo Gecko back. Mikey needs a BFF sort of like, how Raph and Casey been BFFs for all these years in the comics.

Being the youngest member of the 4, Mikey needs someone he can relate to, and Mondo Gecko is the perfect character for that. They been buddies in the Archies series comics and Fred Wolf series, Until they killed him off and the rest of the Mutanimals near the end of the comics.You worded this better. I do feel that Mikey needs a good friend outside of his brothers, and I feel that Leo does too. If she hadn't have been mutated, maybe Karai could've filled that role, and I was kind of hoping for it.

[TurtleTitan97]

Me. Once I heard Robbie Rist was voicing him.

^ This. :D

How about you actually wait till we see the actual character in action before bashing him, neatoman?

[CyberCubed]

It's almost as if none of you read the Archie comics. Mondo Gecko had a bigger role in the comics than the original show where he was only in 2 episodes.

[ssjup81]

It's almost as if none of you read the Archie comics. Mondo Gecko had a bigger role in the comics than the original show where he was only in 2 episodes.It's been mentioned. I even mentioned it. He was part of the Mutanimals.

[Zulithe]

What i'll say this this...

I LOVE his new design. So for that reason alone, i'm glad he's back.

But beyond that, we already know that just because a character returns in the Nick series doesn't mean they will be very similar to their previous versions. Just look at so many characters we've already been re-introduced to.

So even if you did not like previous Mondo Gecko, you might like the new version.

[BabyTurtles]

I would have liked if Mikey had a different friend.....a human one.

but, I'll give Mondo Gecko a try. (but if he starts talking like a 90's skater boy I'm out XD)

[ssjup81]

I would have liked if Mikey had a different friend.....a human one.

but, I'll give Mondo Gecko a try. (but if he starts talking like a 90's skater boy I'm out XD)If he started talking like that, I'll lmao over how silly it is. lol

[Cipher]

I'm down with Gecko. He's got some pretty big legs in the Turtlesverse, mostly with his role in Adventures. He's not a ridiculous character to bring back.

[slingtheory]

Wait a minute. They're bringing back mondo gecko and he's being voiced by robbie rist? I can't believe I've been checking out comic con news all weekend and I missed this? On the subject I've never really had much of an affinity for the guy myself but then I only saw his couple of episodes in the show and never read any issues of the archie series that he was in. I think the castings pretty brillant though so I'm excited to see where it goes.

[ssjup81]

Wait a minute. They're bringing back mondo gecko and he's being voiced by robbie rist? I can't believe I've been checking out comic con news all weekend and I missed this? On the subject I've never really had much of an affinity for the guy myself but then I only saw his couple of episodes in the show and never read any issues of the archie series that he was in. I think the castings pretty brillant though so I'm excited to see where it goes.In the Archie comics he started off as a human, and if iirc, his gf stayed with him even after he was mutated. Sucks what happened to him and the other Mutanimals though.

[Donatello19]

If you ask me, this series really needs a few more allies, so...I'm fine with Mondo Gecko.

[CyberCubed]

They brought Mondo back so this can happen:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RnHDMrPJgCI/U82bg6VvzPI/AAAAAAAAMrE/DOv4uKSKj3Q/s1600/mondo+gecko.jpg

Mondo Gecko was based on an 80's skateboarding stoner rockstar teen. In Archie he was a rockstar before getting mutated.

[Powder]

I am a SUPER big fan of the Mighty Mutanimals, specifically Wingnut, Ray Fillet & Mondo Gecko (maybe in that order, even? :trazz:) but I never really thought they'd be a good fit for this series. So despite my love for the characters, I'm not as psyched as I prolly should be. But as always, I am open minded, & interested in seeing what Ciro & the gang come up with! The voice casting is great, & the design is neato. These guys haven't failed me yet (unless Kirby IS supposed to be Wingnut after all, in which case, BLECH!).

[TigerClaw]

In the Archie comics he started off as a human, and if iirc, his gf stayed with him even after he was mutated. Sucks what happened to him and the other Mutanimals though.
Yep, He got knocked into a can of Mutagen that spilled all over him.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KNIIngupVHQ/Tf09wxWUjbI/AAAAAAAAGBw/GLGrR4aTDHo/s1600/01.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15659/3025010-mondo_gecko-tmnt_adventures%2318-mutagen.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15659/3025011-mondo_gecko-tmnt_adventures%2318-mutating.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kVveRoOHb2k/Tf09zsfVpmI/AAAAAAAAGB4/yVEiShX8BD0/s400/02.jpg

[Electric]

with how this show updates its characters to the modern day, im sure gecko wont be the same skateboarding 90's stereotype. i imagine theyll give him an update, and im glad to see them adding someone that mikey can be close to

one thing i like about this design is his resemblance to the geico gecko. i may just be generalizing here, since theyre both geckos, but still, they look alike

[plastroncafe]

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say Ciro did.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Did Mondo Gecko first debut in the Archie comics or the 1987 series?

[Mona_Lisa]

And didn't Metalhead never have a personality in the OT? Wasn't Mutagen Man pretty annoying (voice-wise)?
It's the changes that make it worthwhile. I'm interested to see what changes we get with Mondo Gecko.
Yeah! I am super happy about Mondo Gecko coming back!

But why Mondo Gecko though? Mikey has already established a connection with Leatherhead so just make a bigger part of the show, there are already 15 or so characters that don't seem to serve much purpose and now they're going to introduce Mondo Gecko, a Punk Frog, some Care Bears parodies and two Swamp Thing homages?
In my book they should keep Mondo Gecko and Get rid of the frog! Or at least work on his design some more! Mondo Gecko was just a really fun character.

What i'll say this this...

I LOVE his new design. So for that reason alone, i'm glad he's back.

But beyond that, we already know that just because a character returns in the Nick series doesn't mean they will be very similar to their previous versions. Just look at so many characters we've already been re-introduced to.

So even if you did not like previous Mondo Gecko, you might like the new version.
The new design for Mondo Gecko is awesome! Maybe even (can't believe I am saying this) better than the OT design! I can't wait to see the spin Nick puts on his character!

[CyberCubed]

Did Mondo Gecko first debut in the Archie comics or the 1987 series?

Since he didn't appear in the show till Season 5, I'd wager to say he debuted in Archie first.

[TigerClaw]

Since he didn't appear in the show till Season 5, I'd wager to say he debuted in Archie first.
Yep. He debut in the comics long before appearing on two episodes of the original series. I still have that comic when he first debut.

[neatoman]

Yep, He got knocked into a can of Mutagen that spilled all over him.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KNIIngupVHQ/Tf09wxWUjbI/AAAAAAAAGBw/GLGrR4aTDHo/s1600/01.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15659/3025010-mondo_gecko-tmnt_adventures%2318-mutagen.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/1/15659/3025011-mondo_gecko-tmnt_adventures%2318-mutating.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kVveRoOHb2k/Tf09zsfVpmI/AAAAAAAAGB4/yVEiShX8BD0/s400/02.jpg

Ok so I noticed some errors between those pics, I just checked the issue and it ragards his clothing. All the clothing errors ragarding Mondo in that issue are the following:

Page 9, panel 1, kneepads show up out of nowhere.
P9, P3, red gloves pop up from nowhere.
P9, P4, red elbow pads pop up.
P10, P1, elbow pads are gone.
P10, P2, left elbow pad is back.
P12, P1, the kneepads are now asymetrical.
P14, P1, elbow pads are back but purple and the kneepads are symetrical again.
P14, P2, no elbow pads.
P14, P5, purple elbow pads.
P16, P2, pants now cover knee with a hole and no kneepad.
P16, P3, missing right elbow pad.
P18, P1, (oh dear god) a lost hat and the gloves are back but the right glove is black now, and the kneepads are asymetrical and one now has a spike.
P19, P3, both gloves are red.
P20, P1, both gloves are black.
P21, P3, missing gloves.
P22, P3, one red glove is back.
P24, P1, both gloves are black.
P24, P4, red glove.
P25, P3, no gloves.
P27, P1, red and black gloves.
P27, P2, red pants and hat.
P28, P2, pale purple hat and no gloves.
I skipped a few.

[TigerClaw]

Ok so I noticed some errors between those pics, I just checked the issue and it ragards his clothing. All the clothing errors ragarding Mondo in that issue are the following:

Page 9, panel 1, kneepads show up out of nowhere.
P9, P3, red gloves pop up from nowhere.
P9, P4, red elbow pads pop up.
P10, P1, elbow pads are gone.
P10, P2, left elbow pad is back.
P12, P1, the kneepads are now asymetrical.
P14, P1, elbow pads are back but purple and the kneepads are symetrical again.
P14, P2, no elbow pads.
P14, P5, purple elbow pads.
P16, P2, pants now cover knee with a hole and no kneepad.
P16, P3, missing right elbow pad.
P18, P1, (oh dear god) a lost hat and the gloves are back but the right glove is black now, and the kneepads are asymetrical and one now has a spike.
P19, P3, both gloves are red.
P20, P1, both gloves are black.
P21, P3, missing gloves.
P22, P3, one red glove is back.
P24, P1, both gloves are black.
P24, P4, red glove.
P25, P3, no gloves.
P27, P1, red and black gloves.
P27, P2, red pants and hat.
P28, P2, pale purple hat and no gloves.
I skipped a few.
That's comics for ya.

[Megchan]

I would have liked if Mikey had a different friend.....a human one.

but, I'll give Mondo Gecko a try. (but if he starts talking like a 90's skater boy I'm out XD)

Like Angel, maybe? ;3 Gotta say, I love your interpretation of her.

[BabyTurtles]

Like Angel, maybe? ;3 Gotta say, I love your interpretation of her.

>3> maaaaayyybbee~ (or Irma works)

and thank you!! XD

[snake]

Me. And who knows, you might like him in this incarnation.

[Coola Yagami]

well to be fair... he debuted as an action figure first. It's just the comic got to him first. I kinda like those days. When a new toy came out it was a question of wether he'd be in the comic or the cartoon first.

And yeah, I want him back. And of course he can be updated. Mikey was the surfer dude and he isn't so much anymore. And unless you haven't seen the show... Mikey is a pretty awesome skateboarder on the show too.... so how does being a sk8ter outdate Mondo?

And yeah, Mikey has Leatherhead... but he needs a fellow 'duuuuuuuuuuuuude' to hang with that understand him.

Honestly once the show started bringing in OT characters, he was the top of my list of people I wanted back.

[rickwj324]

I can't wait to see Muckman, Mondo, and any other "old school" character appear. Hell, I'd even like to see Venus appear (yeah, I said it!! haha). :lol:

I recently gave my 5 year old a bunch of vintage figures to add to his Nick turtles collection, including a Mondo Gecko figure. When I showed him the designs for the new Nick Mondo Gecko he was excited. He also has a Muckman figure and can't wait to see the new one on Nick.

I truly love the Nick show and hope it continues for quite a few years. Awesome stuff.

Rick

[pennydreadful]

Uh, yeah - FWIW I happen to be quite fond of Mondo - sorry you don't feel the same, neato.

[Werecat]

I once never cared for Mondo Gecko 'cause he was just a money grab toy. So far I am enjoying the concept for Mondo Gecko because he looks so adorable and it seems like it is gonna be a fun episode.

[Powder]

He wasn't a money grab toy, he was a key player in the Archie comics.

[Leo656]

Let's hope he brings Candy Fine with him. Mrowr. :lol:

[Chris_a_Bunga]

Since they brought back Leather Head to the new show I have been hoping for Mondo, and based on that model sheet they made him EXACTLY what I always wished he was (with Robbie's voice and all) , I have a feeling I am going to like him more than I ever did.

[Netkeeper]

I've heard mention of a new design in this thread.

Where is it?

[Mutant Ninja Anole]

Your resident Mutant Anole supports raising the show's quota of mutant lizards.

Seriously though, as a kid I liked Mondo just because I was a fan of reptiles and lizards in general. Silly reason I know but don't judge my 10 year old self. I'm sure Mondo has potential. Based on the concept art am I correct in believing he's younger than Mikey? Mikey being a big brother figure? Yes please.

[neatoman]

He wasn't a money grab toy, he was a key player in the Archie comics.

Uh yeah no. I'm pretty sure his toy was designed first, there's no way the skateboarding lizard teenager was meant for a story before he was a toy.

I feel the same about the Technodrome, I will never be convinced that the golf ball with forks sticking out on the sides and a giant eye on top was ever meant to be anything other than a toy.

[Raph's Girl]

I've heard mention of a new design in this thread.

Where is it?

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/generated/2014_San_Diego_Comic_Con/TMNT_Animated_Series/IMG_1215__scaled_600.jpg

I for one am excited to see Mondo return! The death of the Mutanimals was the saddest moment I ever read in comics as a kid. I didn't much like his OT appearance tho. Mostly because it retconned the turtle's origins a bit by having a lizard be in their bowl too and Splinter didn't notice him in the ooze?? Oh come on.

[TigerClaw]

I've heard mention of a new design in this thread.

Where is it?
Behold!

The Nick version of Mondo Gecko.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt2Lt3wCQAEZiSq.jpg:large

[neatoman]

http://i.toynewsi.com/g/generated/2014_San_Diego_Comic_Con/TMNT_Animated_Series/IMG_1215__scaled_600.jpg

I for one am excited to see Mondo return! The death of the Mutanimals was the saddest moment I ever read in comics as a kid. I didn't much like his OT appearance tho. Mostly because it retconned the turtle's origins a bit by having a lizard be in their bowl too and Splinter didn't notice him in the ooze?? Oh come on.

Yeah and it also included some criminal who randomly walked by and picked him up. The cartoon revision of the origin for the turtles already had like five things wrong with it (ex. why crawl down a sewer when you could seek help getting a stable life?), no need to add two more logical errors.

[TigerClaw]

Yeah and it also included some criminal who randomly walked by and picked him up. The cartoon revision of the origin for the turtles already had like five things wrong with it (ex. why crawl down a sewer when you could seek help getting a stable life?), no need to add two more logical errors.
Which is why I hope the Nick version borrows the origin from the Comic.

[Mr Null]

I am looking forward to him making an appearance. He was a nice addition to the TMNT Adventures series. Hope Candy makes a brief appearance too.

What ep is he scheduled to appear in?

[TurtleTitan97]

The cartoon revision of the origin for the turtles already had like five things wrong with it (ex. why crawl down a sewer when you could seek help getting a stable life?), no need to add two more logical errors.

And what exactly are these "five things" that the OT origin got wrong, in your opinion? Because I didn't see anything wrong with it, personally.

[Shark_Blade]

Yeah I'm interested on this so called "wrong things" in OT he claimed. Bring it.

And do state your favorite origin too so we can also shred it to pieces.

[MikeandRaph87]

I am looking forward to him making an appearance. He was a nice addition to the TMNT Adventures series. Hope Candy makes a brief appearance too.

What ep is he scheduled to appear in?

Going by the charaacter design sheet I am lead to believe Mondo Gecko will debut in the 17th episode of the 3rd season. If you look at the top right corner you will notice the 317 number next to a rough sketch of a logo. Most of the time initial airings follow production order but can air out of order even if a bit of xontinuity so we wil see but it will likely be 21 new episodes away.

[ssjup81]

And what exactly are these "five things" that the OT origin got wrong, in your opinion? Because I didn't see anything wrong with it, personally.For the OT, it felt convoluted.

Mondo Gecko was with them in the ooze, years later, Mikey starts having reoccurring dreams about it. It felt forced, I guess...but that's just me. Liked the origin story better in the Archie comics.

[neatoman]

And what exactly are these "five things" that the OT origin got wrong, in your opinion? Because I didn't see anything wrong with it, personally.

Well it's mostly logical problems:

1. How did Hamato Yoshi make it NY without money?
2. Why crawl down a sewer instead of trying to get help?
3. Why would you touch glowing ooze with your bare hands?
4. If Hamato Yoshi touched the ooze at the same time as the turtles, why did he still turn into a rat?
5. When did he train the turtles? Either Shredder must have been sitting on the Technodrome for years or Splinter trained them in a day.

[PRD13]

They put very little thought into the OT origin as far as logic goes, I have to agree. For the most part I couldn't stand that show. I wasn't aware mondo was even part of the OT- I am only familiar with him from the Archie series/mutanimals, where he was pretty cool. I think as a character he has a lot of potential.

[ssjup81]

Well it's mostly logical problems:

1. How did Hamato Yoshi make it NY without money?
2. Why crawl down a sewer instead of trying to get help?
3. Why would you touch glowing ooze with your bare hands?
4. If Hamato Yoshi touched the ooze at the same time as the turtles, why did he still turn into a rat?
5. When did he train the turtles? Either Shredder must have been sitting on the Technodrome for years or Splinter trained them in a day.
1. He probably had money to get there. In the original story, Yoshi and Tang Shen fled to America after Yoshi killed Nagi.

2. Good question, unless he couldn't find work and had to resort to living down in the sewers.

3. Hm, another good question, unless it was just a reaction. "Must get my pets to safety" and didn't think anything of it.

4. Maybe it's setup where the last thing that touched you is the thing you'll mutate into. The last thing to touch him was a rat and the last thing to touch the turtles was a human. Who knows...

5. I'm sure he trained them for all of their lives. I was never under the impression that it was anything less than that. The real question is, when did he get the weapons to even train them with (and I question this for pretty much every incarnation).

As for Shredder, I was always under the impression that he didn't know a thing about Yoshi after he set him up. His reaction was, "Hamato Yoshi still lives?" after recognizing the turtles' fighting style. The real question should be, when did he meet up with Krang and when did he go to New York and why?

[Kevin G]

Is someone going to bitch that Muckman is in the Nick series too?

[Tazi]

I don't mind Mondo that much, I did not wanted him, but it doesn't bothers me either. I'm happy they removed the stupid hair from his original design. Yeah, I know, he was human, but still, it doesn't looked good, and his new nick design proves it, that he is better this way.


Is someone going to bitch that Muckman is in the Nick series too?

I already did that a week ago.

[CyberCubed]

They put very little thought into the OT origin as far as logic goes, I have to agree. For the most part I couldn't stand that show. I wasn't aware mondo was even part of the OT- I am only familiar with him from the Archie series/mutanimals, where he was pretty cool. I think as a character he has a lot of potential.

You couldn't stand a good show? I also fail to see why you think the OT origin wasn't logical. It made sense for a cartoon .

[Metalhead 2.0]

Well it's mostly logical problems:

1. How did Hamato Yoshi make it NY without money?
2. Why crawl down a sewer instead of trying to get help?
3. Why would you touch glowing ooze with your bare hands?
4. If Hamato Yoshi touched the ooze at the same time as the turtles, why did he still turn into a rat?
5. When did he train the turtles? Either Shredder must have been sitting on the Technodrome for years or Splinter trained them in a day.

1. He was either banished from Japan for treachery/murder or he fled Japan. He wouldn't have needed money as thousands of penniless, illegal immigrants and refugees make it into America every year.
2. He was homeless. He was either living in the sewers or scavenging for supplies.
3. He was rescuing animals from what appeared to be a dangerous situation. He didn't have gloves, nor the time to improvise.
4. The mutagen works by interlacing the subject's DNA with the trace amounts of DNA left by the last creature the subject touched BEFORE encountering the ooze. In Hamato's case it was a rat. For the turtles it was either Hamato or Chet, can't remember.
5. He didn't train them specifically to fight Shredder. He's a Ninja Jūhakkei Master, it wasn't just a fighting style for him, it was a way of life and something he would undoubtedly want to pass down to his "sons". They were "training" from the moment they encountered him.

[CyberCubed]

Splinter trained the Turtles for a few years I bet. It's not like Shredder met Krang right away.

[Papenbrook]

Some OT fans probably wanted Mondo Gecko to appear in the new TMNT series as fanservice. I think it will please them. However, I want the show to stand on its own, so I hope Ciro won't add too many OT characters.

[TurtleTitan97]

Well it's mostly logical problems:

1. How did Hamato Yoshi make it NY without money?
2. Why crawl down a sewer instead of trying to get help?
3. Why would you touch glowing ooze with your bare hands?
4. If Hamato Yoshi touched the ooze at the same time as the turtles, why did he still turn into a rat?
5. When did he train the turtles? Either Shredder must have been sitting on the Technodrome for years or Splinter trained them in a day.

1. Maybe he just couldn't find a job?
2. Does that really matter in a kid's show? I don't think kids back in the 80s are really going to care about that.
3. Maybe because he didn't know at the time he'd mutate into a rat? I mean how was he suppose to know what it was?
4. Okay, I'll give you this one, since that still doesn't make sense.
5. It's never really stated how long. But considering how good a couple of fighters they were, it must have been more than a while.

No offense neato, but with the exception of #4, most of your "logical" points just seem like minor nitpicking, imo.

[Darthknuxward]

Ok so I'm not really one of the people who are mad that they're using too many elements from the Fred Wolf cartoon because there are some neat ideas like Mutagen Man and Metalhead that really never lived up to their potential. But why on earth bring back Mondo Gecko? He's an outdated 90's stereotype, a waste of imagination, he looks like, like...
http://www.netbrawl.com/uploads/5312000637d92552163653e5e65479f2.gif

Yeah, like that and "that" was meant to satirise shallow ideas.

I wanted Mondo back! And I also want to see the Wingnut, Screwloose, Ray Fillet, Jagwar, Dreadmon, and Ninjara to return. I felt that although the Mutanimals had a great run in the comics, they got gypped in the cartoon. So yah bring on the gecko!:tgrin:

[Metalwolf]

For # 3, there are whole sections of old abandoned subways in New York that have been turned into 'communities' by the indigent and homeless. It's not a stretch he'd move into some part of the underground that wasn't inhabited. :lol:

[Leo656]

I just never got how he touched the Turtles last but then turned into a rat. They absolutely needed to do that scene better. The voice-over was in direct contrast to what you were actually being shown on screen.

The rest I just always figured was stuff they never bothered telling us. Not exactly huge holes in the story. That "last thing he touched was the rats" thing was a big "Oops", though.

I much, MUCH prefer "Yoshi became a rat-man" over "a rat learned ninjutsu in his cage", personally, but the way the OT did it was sloppy, if only for that one screw-up, which an extra two seconds of animation would have fixed.

And I miss Mondo's mullet. :lol: Didn't make sense, but I don't think turtles have sweat glands, either sooo...

[Mr Null]

Behold!

The Nick version of Mondo Gecko.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt2Lt3wCQAEZiSq.jpg:large

If this is legit. I think he looks great. And based on height, looks like he might be a kid instead of a teenager. But who knows.

Does the 317 - mean season 3 ep 17?

[sdp]

They're choosing a lot of mutants that while I like wouldn't be my priority. Now if they did something new and interesting with them I'd have no problem with them being used but for the most part they don't do anything new or interesting enough to warrant them being brought back before new characters or other mutants. I'd love to see Armaggon.

[PRD13]

I don't mean to say "the OT was bad", just that I didn't like it. It differed enough from the spirit/tone of the mirage comics to be off putting to me, I quickly lost interest in it. There are tons of great elements brought into play by the OT, I respect that is important to canon. Please, and I am being sincere, explain the following "for instances":
-why is Yoshi a penniless exile, after his disgrace? He is a very skilled and capable ninja.
-why does Yoshi turn into a rat? He touches the turtles and ooze, and nothing else happens in the lapse before he mutates.
- why are krang and shredder working together? How would that work out? Why would he willfully participate in an alien invasion?
- why does shredder have robots, as opposed to actual ninja followers? I understand the desire to have violent interaction and against humans it would be innapropriate in a kids show, but still, no explanation? In the new series at least this is explained away.

If there are logical answers I would appreciate hearing them. Like, really.

[CyberCubed]

I don't mean to say "the OT was bad", just that I didn't like it. It differed enough from the spirit/tone of the mirage comics to be off putting to me, I quickly lost interest in it. There are tons of great elements brought into play by the OT, I respect that is important to canon. Please, and I am being sincere, explain the following "for instances":
-why is Yoshi a penniless exile, after his disgrace? He is a very skilled and capable ninja.
-why does Yoshi turn into a rat? He touches the turtles and ooze, and nothing else happens in the lapse before he mutates.
- why are krang and shredder working together? How would that work out? Why would he willfully participate in an alien invasion?
- why does shredder have robots, as opposed to actual ninja followers? I understand the desire to have violent interaction and against humans it would be innapropriate in a kids show, but still, no explanation? In the new series at least this is explained away.

If there are logical answers I would appreciate hearing them. Like, really.

1. Yoshi was banned from the Foot Clan and since he likely lived there he was homeless and penniless. They said he fled to America.

2. It's pretty obvious Yoshi's narration and him touching the Turtles wasn't meant to be one and the same. He obviously was with the rats and the scene wasn't written the way it was shown.

3. Krang was banished to Earth. He had no army and no body. He obviously met Shredder and agreed to give him Dimension X technology if they worked together. Since both Shredder and Krang want world domination it's easy to see why.

4. The human Foot probably stayed in Japan after Saki went with Krang to the U.S.

[PRD13]

1. The issue here is not " this is what they said", the issue is that it is not logical for an English-speaking immigrant with greater than average intellect, discipline, dexterity, agility, and endurance to not be able to land some type of job of some kind, at all, even in the early 1970's. It makes sense that after mutation they hide in the sewers, but before? In my opinion they didn't put enough thought into it.

2. You say obvious, I say bogus- but I get your point here. This could just be sloppy production work. For the record, human splinter is a big thumbs up for the OT. I mean how does a rat learn to be a ninja?

3. Just Saying that they met, etc. Doesn't explain anything really. you are just extrapolating info, which is my problem in the first place. anyone can guess at the story here, and anyone can just take it for granted and accept it. Why didn't they explain it? Why didn't they think it was a story worth telling? Why didn't they put some thought or effort into it?

Just my thoughts, thank you for your time.

[neatoman]

Yeah the whole Shredder/Krang team-up has always seemed weird to me. It feels less like an unstoppable duo and more like an oddball supervillain team-up that is over in a single story. I think it would have made more sense if Baxter was the one to team-up with Krang, call me crazy but something tells me a scientist would be better suited for the job of making an android body and mutant henchmen rather than a ninja lord.

As for the Foot Robots, which sounds better? An army of loyal warriors or preprogrammed machines? Yeah sure, you can cut up robots in a kids show but thematically the robots leave less of an impression.
It bothers me a bit in the Nick cartoon as well, they recently stated that Shredder rebuilt the Foot from the ashes which sounds badass that he could get an army to join him but at point the humans had already been replaced. So when you think about it, he reduced the army he had built over the years to four freaks and a bunch of soulless machines.

I also don't get why they stopped thinking beyond the "we can gut robots" part and basically made the robots weaker and clumsier than human beings.
There's this scene in Turtles Forever where Karai is basically listing the errors Shredder/Krang did while the renovators correct them. Two of them being the weak robots and the unfulfilled potential to create countless mutants.

[PRD13]

I was OK with the robot foot ninja in the new show, until it became apparent that they were now the ONLY foot ninja. Instead of adding a little flavor, the writers just opted for a cop out. It goes hand in hand with dogpound and fishface being dumbed down, made less of a threat, just so tiger claw could seem more imposing by comparison when he was introduced.

As for mondo, he could be awesome, fun, and a cohort for Mikey; OR he could end up another Mary sue character like timothy/pulverizer or April. I think he has potential as long as they go with an origin along the lines of the Archie series, but he will probably just be another mutant of the week.

[TurtleTitan97]

It goes hand in hand with dogpound and fishface being dumbed down, made less of a threat, just so tiger claw could seem more imposing by comparison when he was introduced.

I have to disagree on that. Neither Bradford or Xever seemed to have gotten dumbed down since they both got mutated, imo. It's not like they were turned into complete idiots.

[Prowler]

Mondo Gecko isn't exactly an unknown character. He was important in Archie. So I'm sure several people wanted him back.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

To answer the original question: Obviously the head of the 2k12 series did.

[Metalwolf]

I have to disagree on that. Neither Bradford or Xever seemed to have gotten dumbed down since they both got mutated, imo. It's not like they were turned into complete idiots.Maybe not 'dumbed down,' but significant nerfing. Plus they act a little too goofy and as comic relief, which often goes hand in hand with a significant nerf. How you can tell is that Tigerclaw is rarely goofy and as such feels like the most threatening.

Anyway, I don't think Mondo will be a Sue. I feel a lot better regard towards this version because it actually looks cute, instead of trying to press every annoyance button I have with it's appearance. A lot about the Archie comic Mondo made me want to punch it repeatedly in the face (same for OT Mondo) whereas this one makes me want to give it a big squeezing hug and go 'D'awww!" So I consider that a plus. :P

[CyberCubed]

What about Mondo made you want to punch him in the face? He never came across as an annoying character.

He's supposed to be a pot smoking skateboarding 80's teen...but the pot was left out for kids.

[Raven]

And didn't Metalhead never have a personality in the OT? Wasn't Mutagen Man pretty annoying (voice-wise)?
It's the changes that make it worthwhile. I'm interested to see what changes we get with Mondo Gecko.

Exactly, this new series has been giving characters a much needed fresh of breath air. Even giving some characters a personality all together, metalhead is a great example. In the few episodes he has appeared in he's shown more character then he has in past shows put together.

Mondo wasn't a favorite of mine, but I'm quite excited to see what they will do with him.

[PRD13]

The new mondo design is really awesome looking.

[Metalwolf]

What about Mondo made you want to punch him in the face? He never came across as an annoying character.

He's supposed to be a pot smoking skateboarding 80's teen...but the pot was left out for kids.I hated his eyes and their expressions, and the way they stuck up, especially in the Archie comics. Something about them makes me hate him.

This new one does not have the eyes that I hate. Thus he is cute and nice to squeeze. :D

[CowabungaMikey]

Me. Once I heard Robbie Rist was voicing him.

This. This. This.

[Jester]

Splinter trained the Turtles for a few years I bet. It's not like Shredder met Krang right away.
Um....Shredder meeting Krang is how he got his "experimental mutagen" that turned Yoshi and the Turtles into mutants.

[Leo656]

You SEE why we can't have 8 or 9 different origin stories floating around?! Even people who have been watching this sh*t for 25 years can't get their details right! :lol:

[Davetello]

Yep, it's convoluted at the best of times ^

I like Mondo Gecko and am interested to see the treatment he gets in Nick. I'm not even one of these people who loved the mutant trend in the OT. But I do like Gecko.

[Jephael]

I gotta admit, I kinda wish they'd hire Michael Rosembaum to be the voice of Mondo. Nothing against Robbie Rist, but they've got enough TMNT alumni from previous incarnations on this show as it is. Hell, even Kelly Hu is connected to the live action films via Ernie Reyers Jr. who was her love interest in Surf Ninjas

[Megchan]

Maybe not 'dumbed down,' but significant nerfing. Plus they act a little too goofy and as comic relief, which often goes hand in hand with a significant nerf. How you can tell is that Tigerclaw is rarely goofy and as such feels like the most threatening.

Anyway, I don't think Mondo will be a Sue. I feel a lot better regard towards this version because it actually looks cute, instead of trying to press every annoyance button I have with it's appearance. A lot about the Archie comic Mondo made me want to punch it repeatedly in the face (same for OT Mondo) whereas this one makes me want to give it a big squeezing hug and go 'D'awww!" So I consider that a plus. :P

Bradford and Xever probably aren't accustomed to their "new" bodies yet, they've hardly been a mutant for a year. Tigerclaw, on the other hand, was mutated as a boy, so he's had many years to become accustomed to his body. That and he's a cat; cats are well-known for their gracefulness. Now I'm not saying cats don't have their klutzy moments, but for the most part they're graceful.

[Raphael4]

Not really that familiar with the character but if it's a character to do with Mikey that's great as mikey needs more screen time, I feel that donnie gets way too much.

[Cudley The Cowlick]

Mondo is one of my favorite TMNT supporting characters of all time. I was beyond thrilled when I saw the announcement.
Kudos to the Nick team for bringing in the 80s toy mutants and making them relevant and rad.

[turtle1237]

Loved ot Mondo Gecko.

I still have the toy, lost the skateboard though. Loved to see what he be like in this cartoon.

[Midnight Mutant]

I can see all the 80/90's refs and jokes now.
I've gotta say, Mondo was not one of my top choices...but, as long as they give him a different back story and make him interesting and says cowabunga. (Cause that will just blow my mind) I'll keep an open mind.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I didn't much like his OT appearance tho. Mostly because it retconned the turtle's origins a bit by having a lizard be in their bowl too and Splinter didn't notice him in the ooze?? Oh come on.


Mondo wasn't IN the bowl with them; he was in the sewer when they landed there. Probably flushed by some kid's well-meaning parents. Or he could have been a wild gecko living in the sewers from hatching. Geckos have been a common sight in urban areas for years. He just happened to crawl through the mutagen while the turtles were there.


Well it's mostly logical problems:

1. How did Hamato Yoshi make it NY without money?
2. Why crawl down a sewer instead of trying to get help?
3. Why would you touch glowing ooze with your bare hands?
4. If Hamato Yoshi touched the ooze at the same time as the turtles, why did he still turn into a rat?
5. When did he train the turtles? Either Shredder must have been sitting on the Technodrome for years or Splinter trained them in a day.


1. Illegal immigrant/stowaway. Nuff said.
2. homeless folks tend to fend for themselves, often due to pride. They'd rather survive on their own than ask for help. Also, ninja Master probably doesn't equal marketable job skills. Who would hire him? Did he even speak English then?
3. Not sure, but he might have thought it was the liquid from one of those glow-sticks that was busted open. It seems likely, anyway.
4. Key point- he touched the OOZE. Since he was already carrying residual rat DNA, it makes sense that he turned into a rat. He was probably already changing even before he touched any of the turtles!
5. Shredder met Krang BEFORE Yoshi changed (otherwise, there wouldn't have been any mutagen to begin with) but it probably took them YEARS to put their plans into motion. Plenty of time for Yoshi to train up his boys.


1. Yoshi was banned from the Foot Clan and since he likely lived there he was homeless and penniless. They said he fled to America.

3. Krang was banished to Earth. He had no army and no body. He obviously met Shredder and agreed to give him Dimension X technology if they worked together. Since both Shredder and Krang want world domination it's easy to see why.

4. The human Foot probably stayed in Japan after Saki went with Krang to the U.S.

I agree with the first two, Cubed. However, you missed a key point. The human Foot didn't stay in Japan- they were in New York in the first episode! They were running Shredder's "businesses", the security company, the pizzeria, and all those other "Ninja" business places. So he was running them like the Yakuza, is my guess- using them to run his "legitimate" ventures and make money for his operations with Krang.