I've had several drinks and now in queue for the screening. Ask me anything.

[Sanjuro]

Looks like we are getting foam fingers.

[Radical Raph]

What did you have to drink?

[Sanjuro]

I got to the area about five hours early. Had many tall glasses of Sam Adams and a Whiskey shot.

[IndigoErth]

Blasphemy. It's supposedly to be Crush and Vodka.

[Addison81]

Will you answer questions about the film after?

[Vicky82]

Is their a lot of people in your queue? :D

[Radical Raph]

I got to the area about five hours early. Had many tall glasses of Sam Adams and a Whiskey shot.
I feel like you're going to give the movie a positive review no matter what.

[Andrew NDB]

Looks like we are getting foam fingers.

I would venture that you will only end up with this:

http://limdongcheol.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/chocolate-fingers-01.jpg

[Vicky82]

I feel like you're going to give the movie a positive review no matter what.

Well, if he's had a lot to drink, he'll probably fall asleep during the movie. So I doubt he'll able to review it :D

[Sanjuro]

There are quite a few people fairly early. I'll answer whatever afterward, I'm not a prude.

[IndigoErth]

No.. you must answer now. Who was the background extra in the red hat in the 5th scene? Also, the exact number of pigeons?

[Sanjuro]

All of those were puppets. Not nearly enough CG in this film.

I see mini posters now. That will end up crumpled and in the garbage in no time.

[Bry]

All of those were puppets. Not nearly enough CG in this film.

Pigeon puppets?

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140329172026/tmnt/images/0/0b/31kjl.jpg

[Sanjuro]

Is there a mobile variant of this forum? When I post on mobile it double posts.

[Jester]

Not really.

It's just the same set up...only smaller.

[Sanjuro]

Not really.

It's just the same set up...only smaller.

Bummer. I think it's just when I post and refresh maybe.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, if he's had a lot to drink, he'll probably fall asleep during the movie.

You must be drinking with the wrong people.

[Sanjuro]

I get more energy when I drink, unless I eat a ton or its late.

[Sanjuro]

In the theater now. See you on the other side, Ray.

[Vicky82]

In the theater now. See you on the other side, Ray.

I hope you enjoy the film. :cry:

I expect we will get reviews from 2am UK time and i'll be asleep. :cry:

[DioLeo451]

In the theater now. See you on the other side, Ray.
Have Fun:D

[TigerClaw]

In the theater now. See you on the other side, Ray.
If they have those TMNT 3D Glasses, Take a Selfie with them on.

[Addison81]

Looking forward to your thoughts. There is a review embargo till Sunday midnight so be nice to hear early thoughts.

[Cure]

Is there a mobile variant of this forum? When I post on mobile it double posts.
Not really.

It's just the same set up...only smaller.

Yeah there is, it's right here.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/index.php?styleid=6

[DioLeo451]

If they have those TMNT 3D Glasses, Take a Selfie with them on.
You mean a ''Shelfie'' right Ah Ah Ah
I'll see myself out

[TigerClaw]

Yeah there is, it's right here.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/index.php?styleid=6
That's interesting, No where on the forum does it have a link to the mobile version of the forum.

[Sanjuro]

That's interesting, No where on the forum does it have a link to the mobile version of the forum.

No TMNT glasses. I got free drink and popcorn though. They asked me if I wanted to take a TMNT photo, I declined.

This mobile version is a godsend.

[Cure]

That's interesting, No where on the forum does it have a link to the mobile version of the forum.

Yeah, I found it in that tapatalk thread in Questions/Comments/Concerns. Seems like not many people know about it.

[DioLeo451]

No TMNT glasses. I got free drink and popcorn though. They asked me if I wanted to take a TMNT photo, I declined.

This mobile version is a godsend.
Laaaaaame I need those glasses ugh:tmad:

[Sanjuro]

laaaaaame i need those glasses ugh:tmad:

put on the glasses

[DioLeo451]

put on the glasses
Huh:tconfuse:lol

[Sanjuro]

Huh:tconfuse:lol

Was trying to do a They Live reference. Mobile Technodrome didn't let me add all caps.

[DioLeo451]

Was trying to do a They Live reference. Mobile Technodrome didn't let me add all caps.
Oh :lol: love that movie

[Puddinpop]

You mean a ''Shelfie'' right Ah Ah Ah
I'll see myself out

http://p30up.ir/images/imevjtg27vrvi2p4bf3x.gif

[Cure]

Was trying to do a They Live reference. Mobile Technodrome didn't let me add all caps.

Regular technodrome won't let you do all caps.

[Sanjuro]

Regular technodrome won't let you do all caps.

Time for a change!

They are really stretching this last half hour. Figured there would be more of a studio presence at the theater. Warner Bros are normally the king of that though.

[pdizzle]

http://p30up.ir/images/imevjtg27vrvi2p4bf3x.gif

Damn dude I havent seen you on hear for a while now....welcome back bro:D

[Puddinpop]

Damn dude I havent seen you on hear for a while now....welcome back bro:D

Thanks mang! Just in time for the excitement. looks like we should be getting our first juicy tid bits tonight

[Sanjuro]

Oh my. That was certainly something.

[xChri5x]

Oh my. That was certainly something.

You're an ass

[babyb]

your lucky! the movie doesn't come out in canada for another week! blaah. don't reveal too many details!

[Sanjuro]

You're an ass

Sorry my 20 page write up isn't done while dodging traffic.

[xChri5x]

Sorry my 20 page write up isn't done while dodging traffic.

I'd like it on my desk by midnight.

[Sanjuro]

It'll be a bit longer. Stumbled upon a Shake Shack on the drive home!

I liked the movie a lot, was a ton of fun. Arguably, it's the best theatrical film in the franchise.

[BabyTurtles]

It'll be a bit longer. Stumbled upon a Shake Shack on the drive home!

I liked the movie a lot, was a ton of fun. Arguably, it's the best theatrical film in the franchise.

yay!!! :D so happy so liked it!!

[TigerClaw]

It'll be a bit longer. Stumbled upon a Shake Shack on the drive home!

I liked the movie a lot, was a ton of fun. Arguably, it's the best theatrical film in the franchise.
That's good to know, Lots of positive response coming on twitter right now.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/tmntmovie?f=realtime&src=hash

[Redeemer]

What is this strange feeling???????Could it be!!!!!!!! Optimism???????:lol:
Whether I like the movie or not I know when I go see it with friends I will enjoy myself!!!:D

I just hope this movie doesn't kill the franchise like Avatar the Last Airbender!!!:cry:

[xChri5x]

It's gonna be a great couple of weeks for moviee goers though. Guardians of the Galaxy and then TMNT. Looking forward to it all.

[Rooish]

How do people get into advance screenings?

[xChri5x]

How do people get into advance screenings?

Location, location, location.

[DioLeo451]

It'll be a bit longer. Stumbled upon a Shake Shack on the drive home!

I liked the movie a lot, was a ton of fun. Arguably, it's the best theatrical film in the franchise.
Really now that's great glad you had fun

[Puddinpop]

Sorry my 20 page write up isn't done while dodging traffic.

Dude.. I honestly cannot wait. I am staying up " cant sleep anyway " just to read what you've got for us. Appreciate it dude. Just drive safe.. esp with all that Sammy in ya lol.

The best film in the franchise huh? DAMN this is torture lol. I kind of figured it would be the best TMNT film.." imo" .

[ctt4lfecw]

Dude.. I honestly cannot wait. I am staying up " cant sleep anyway " just to read what you've got for us. Appreciate it dude. Just drive safe.. esp with all that Sammy in ya lol.

Me too. Happy I had off from work this week.

[Bmaga123]

Were the fight scenes satisfying?

[trikuza]

How do people get into advance screenings?

google advanced screenings and you'll see websites with promotions, and they'll show you the locations too

[trikuza]

https://twitter.com/4geekslikeyou/status/494669878784049153/photo/1

http://i1323.photobucket.com/albums/u599/Devin_James_Doty/Bt1roJoCYAItRqC_zpscc4babb7.jpg

turns out the green foam finger thing was no lie lol

[Sanjuro]

Were the fight scenes satisfying?

That is pretty much the takeaway with the film. The larger sized turtles make for great action. Easily one of the more impressive action films of the summer when the turtles are on screen.

I also did not watch the behind the scenes footage, so the slope sequence was fresh.

[pdizzle]

That is pretty much the takeaway with the film. The larger sized turtles make for great action. Easily one of the more impressive action films of the summer when the turtles are on screen.

I also did not watch the behind the scenes footage, so the slope sequence was fresh.

Was this a raph centric movie or did the turtles get equal screen time. And was it based around them or the humans...

[Bmaga123]

That is pretty much the takeaway with the film. The larger sized turtles make for great action. Easily one of the more impressive action films of the summer when the turtles are on screen.

I also did not watch the behind the scenes footage, so the slope sequence was fresh.

Awesome! Thanks for the reply :tgrin:

[Sanjuro]

Was this a raph centric movie or did the turtles get equal screen time. And was it based around them or the humans...

Raphael's alone time is very brief. He does get a nice battle sequence with the Shredder.

[CyberCubed]

Was there any mention of Hamato Yoshi and his connection with Splinter?

[ctt4lfecw]

Is there any hint of Krang/Dimension X or Technodrome?

[Sanjuro]

Was there any mention of Hamato Yoshi and his connection with Splinter?

Nope.

Is there any hint of Krang/Dimension X or Technodrome?

Nope.

[pdizzle]

Raphael's alone time is very brief. He does get a nice battle sequence with the Shredder.

So is itsafe to say this movie revolves around the turtles and not the human characters

[CyberCubed]

What the hell? No Hamato Yoshi? So then what is Splinter, a random lab rat?

[beeshaw]

How did Splinter know April?

Where was Raph while the Sewer Siege was going down?

Is Baxter Stockman in the movie at all?

Feel free to Spoiler tag the answers!

[TigerClaw]

Is the Legend of the Yokai stuff in the movie?

Is that something Splinter tells the Turtles when they were kids?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

So is Sachs Shredder at all? Or is Saki actually in the armor? And how did Splinter learn ninjitsu?

[Leo656]

What the hell? No Hamato Yoshi? So then what is Splinter, a random lab rat?

Seconded. What a crock. "Eh, we don't need any of that Japanese backstory, that's just gonna bore people."

Ah well. I mean, I get the whole "Story Joined In Progress" thing, but man, that's kind of a big thing to erase. ((Shrug))

[Sanjuro]

So is itsafe to say this movie revolves around the turtles and not the human characters

Probably half and half. The human story (even the ultimate objective to the plot) was pretty light. There are even make tongue-in-cheek monologues moving the plot forward at times.

What the hell? No Hamato Yoshi? So then what is Splinter, a random lab rat?

Yep.

How did Splinter know April?

Where was Raph while the Sewer Siege was going down?

Is Baxter Stockman in the movie at all?

Feel free to Spoiler tag the answers!

Much like the IDW series, but April named them when she was younger.

Knocked the **** out.

Nope.

Is the Legend of the Yokai stuff in the movie?

Is that something Splinter tells the Turtles when they were kids?

I'm not fully aware what that is, so I would so no. They are kids for a very brief segment.

[CyberCubed]

So why does Splinter and Shredder have a rivalry if there's no Hamato Yoshi element?

[Sanjuro]

So is Sachs Shredder at all? Or is Saki actually in the armor? And how did Splinter learn ninjitsu?

No. Sacks is closer to a Baxter Stockman tier character, but was a part of the Foot Clan in Japan.

Splinter learned from books in the sewers.

[Leo656]

So why does Splinter and Shredder have a rivalry if there's no Hamato Yoshi element?

Because they wrote the plot on a napkin the day shooting started, would be my guess.

[Sanjuro]

So why does Splinter and Shredder have a rivalry if there's no Hamato Yoshi element?

Like the IDW series, Splinter remembers dialog and plot points to who Sacks is and who he works for.

Because they wrote the plot on a napkin the day shooting started, would be my guess.

The IDW series is one big ass napkin.

[beeshaw]

How did the Turtles end up mutating? Accident or intentional?

[TigerClaw]

I'm not fully aware what that is, so I would so no. They are kids for a very brief segment.
I'm talking about this, This was a TMNT Movie Promo, And we were all assuming that Splinter might of told about a Legend to the Turtles.

95YrWB3AQVk

[CyberCubed]

Disgusting how could there be no Hamato Yoshi element? So Splinter is just a filthy rat.

The least they could have done is gone the reincarnation route from IDW with Splinter being Hamato Yoshi from ancient Japan.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

No. Sacks is closer to a Baxter Stockman tier character, but was a part of the Foot Clan in Japan.

Splinter learned from books in the sewers.

.... :roll: Figures they'd throw out a cornerstone of the mythology. Thank you very much for your awnser.

Just one other last curiousity, any mention, hinting, or cameo of Rocksteady and Bebop?

[Leo656]

Really sounds like some of the speculation was true, that they really played down the Japanese influence so the film would play better in China. To me, the Japanese backstory and Yoshi/Saki rivalry isn't extraneous. That's a major bummer they cut that. :ohwell:

[Sanjuro]

How did the Turtles end up mutating? Accident or intentional?

They were being tested/injected with the alien ooze for a while.

I'm talking about this, This was a TMNT Movie Promo, And we were all assuming that Splinter might of told about a Legend to the Turtles.

95YrWB3AQVk

Nope. Animation looks like the opening piece and the credits images though.

Disgusting how could there be no Hamato Yoshi element? So Splinter is just a filthy rat.

The least they could have done is gone the reincarnation route from IDW with Splinter being Hamato Yoshi from ancient Japan.

Despite fans wanting this, I would never introduce that plot element into any film. It's basically a less silly version of the IDW series which was welcome in the theater.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Disgusting how could there be no Hamato Yoshi element? So Splinter is just a filthy rat.

The least they could have done is gone the reincarnation route from IDW with Splinter being Hamato Yoshi from ancient Japan.

Don't insult Master Splinter like that.

[TigerClaw]

.... :roll: Figures they'd throw out a cornerstone of the mythology. Thank you very much for your awnser.

Just one other last curiousity, any mention, hinting, or cameo of Baxter, or Roacksteady and Bebop?
If a Rat can learn martial arts by watching his owner practicing, I'm sure that one is more possible.

[CyberCubed]

Maybe in the sequel they'll explain Splinter was Hamato Yoshi in his past life.

[Sanjuro]

.... :roll: Figures they'd throw out a cornerstone of the mythology. Thank you very much for your awnser.

Just one other last curiousity, any mention, hinting, or cameo of Baxter, or Roacksteady and Bebop?

Nope.

Really sounds like some of the speculation was true, that they really played down the Japanese influence so the film would play better in China. To me, the Japanese backstory and Yoshi/Saki rivalry isn't extraneous. That's a major bummer they cut that. :ohwell:

That sounds a bit absurd, I can't see that being any sort of actual reasoning. In fact, having Sacks tied into that arc furthers foreign elements.

[Leo656]

I'unno, that's just what some people were speculating. Who knows?

[DioLeo451]

Maybe in the sequel they'll explain Splinter was Hamato Yoshi in his past life.
That's what I'm thinking too

[TigerClaw]

Here's another question.

Is there an End Credit Scene?

[Sanjuro]

That's what I'm thinking too

I could see that as a possibility. Again, it's really just a footnote. Throwing it out in this film wouldn't have made much sense.

...yet again, there are many things that don't make sense in this film. Plot being one of them. That however is TMNT franchise 101.

Here's another question.

Is there an End Credit Scene?

Nope.

[#MechaFresh]

How were the sequences with the Turtle Van?

And more importantly, how were the opening titles?
Thanks in advance ;)

[TigerClaw]

I could see that as a possibility. Again, it's really just a footnote. Throwing it out in this film wouldn't have made much sense.

...yet again, there are many things that don't make sense in this film. Plot being one of them. That however is TMNT franchise 101.



Nope.
Very well then

What about the Classic Theme, Is there any Homage to that?

[Leo656]

I could see that as a possibility. Again, it's really just a footnote. Throwing it out in this film wouldn't have made much sense.

...yet again, there are many things that don't make sense in this film. Plot being one of them. That however is TMNT franchise 101.


See, that's my entire thing, I'm a story-before-action kind of guy with movies and frankly, the story sounds completely like an afterthought to facilitate the fight scenes. I've seen a million CGI fight scenes in my life and they don't impress me as much as a good story does. :ohwell:

I'm sure it'll be Good Enough, just a little bit more let down by some of what I'm hearing.

[Sanjuro]

How were the sequences with the Turtle Van?

And more importantly, how were the opening titles?
Thanks in advance ;)

Turtle Van was basically a gag to close the film. No sequences.

That video that was linked not long ago in here is very similar to the animation. There is a nice overhead shot of the city in moving still-frame like the comics, but overall it's pretty cheap I would say.

Very well then

What about the Classic Theme, Is there any Homage to that?

Very briefly when Donatello hacks into April's computer.

[Xiewin]

I feel like I'm the only one who's not bothered by the oroku saki thing...

[Sanjuro]

See, that's my entire thing, I'm a story-before-action kind of guy with movies and frankly, the story sounds completely like an afterthought to facilitate the fight scenes. I've seen a million CGI fight scenes in my life and they don't impress me as much as a good story does. :ohwell:

I'm sure it'll be Good Enough, just a little bit more let down by some of what I'm hearing.

I've discussed this a ton of times with the most TMNT diehards. You can't expect this franchise to dish out a Batman Begins style presentation. This film has some things in common with that film, ultimately that's just not going to happen. The first film is the closest you're going to get to that. I mean, the storyboards were basically the comic books.

[TigerClaw]

Turtle Van was basically a gag to close the film. No sequences.

That video that was linked not long ago in here is very similar to the animation. There is a nice overhead shot of the city in moving still-frame like the comics, but overall it's pretty cheap I would say.



Very briefly when Donatello hacks into April's computer.
Ok cool, Is the Turtle Phone in the movie? I bet they give one to April in the end or something.

[Sanjuro]

I feel like I'm the only one who's not bothered by the oroku saki thing...

I gave zero ****s.

In fact, when the April revelation was revealed there was an audible reaction from the crowd. Most who I'm assuming don't know what a TMNT comic book is. It was a nice moment.

[AquaParade]

To those that have seen the film,

What was the most surprising aspect of the experience?

Thanks

[Addison81]

Is the final fight good? Is it a short fight?

[Sanjuro]

Ok cool, Is the Turtle Phone in the movie? I bet they give one to April in the end or something.

Turtle Phones? These ninjas are Section 8!

No phones.

[graphic_content]

Id like to throw my hat in....

...so there is a scene in the trailers where the Turtle stumble into a room FULL of the Foot, and the Foot rush towards the Turtles...

...do the Turtles rush in and have an epic 4 vs 100 battle, or do they comically run away?

[Bry]

To me, the Japanese backstory and Yoshi/Saki rivalry isn't extraneous. That's a major bummer they cut that. :ohwell:

Exactly. That's essential backstory. I've said it before, but it's like a Spider-Man origin without Uncle Ben, or a Batman whose parents aren't killed. Just rips the soul out of the concept for no good reason.

[Sanjuro]

To those that have seen the film,

What was the most surprising aspect of the experience?

Thanks

The violence. It was the most violent TMNT film to date by a healthy margin. Despite it being for kids, it's following the Captain America/Transformers trend.

Is the final fight good? Is it a short fight?

I can't imagine anyone would be disappointed by the length of the action sequences. They all seemed to be the appropriate amount of time and very coherent.

[beeshaw]

The violence. It was the most violent TMNT film to date by a healthy margin. Despite it being for kids, it's following the Captain America/Transformers trend.



I can't imagine anyone would be disappointed by the length of the action sequences. They all seemed to be the appropriate amount of time and very coherent.

Best news thus far!


Thanks for taking the time to answer all our questions btw sir!

[TigerClaw]

Turtle Phones? These ninjas are Section 8!

No phones.
Section 8? What is that?

[Sanjuro]

Id like to throw my hat in....

...so there is a scene in the trailers where the Turtle stumble into a room FULL of the Foot, and the Foot rush towards the Turtles...

...do the Turtles rush in and have an epic 4 vs 100 battle, or do they comically run away?

They jam a circuit board (something of that nature) and get the door to close in between them and the room.

Exactly. That's essential backstory. I've said it before, but it's like a Spider-Man origin without Uncle Ben, or a Batman whose parents aren't killed. Just rips the soul out of the concept for no good reason.

I wouldn't say that. Uncle Ben and Batman's parents always have had one outcome for the most part. The major theme is Splinter (not Yoshi) being a father to the turtles.

[graphic_content]

The violence. It was the most violent TMNT film to date by a healthy margin. Despite it being for kids, it's following the Captain America/Transformers trend.



I can't imagine anyone would be disappointed by the length of the action sequences. They all seemed to be the appropriate amount of time and very coherent.

good to hear...the fights in the earlier TF films were difficult to follow (poor cinematography), but the in the trailers the boys have been easier to follow.

[Sanjuro]

Section 8? What is that?

Heh. It's low income housing. Splinter makes a reference to it in the dubbed YouTube videos.

[graphic_content]

They jam a circuit board (something of that nature) and get the door to close in between them and the room.

that is genuinely disappointing, but hopefully something to look forward to ...sequel anyone?

[CyberCubed]

what's the point of a tmnt movie with no real origin story?

[Sanjuro]

that is genuinely disappointing, but hopefully something to look forward to ...sequel anyone?

There was no point to them fighting at that moment. They were running out of time and trying to work up to Shredder. The elevator scene concludes this.

what's the point of a tmnt movie with no real origin story?

The franchise doesn't have a "real" origin story, so probably should start looking there.

[Leo656]

what's the point of a tmnt movie with no real origin story?

Who's got time for story? Less story = More Badazz Ninja Action and eye-popping CGI, my brotha. Story's a waste.

Eh, sounds like it'll do what it was trying to do pretty well, but disappointed they didn't aim higher.

The franchise doesn't have a "real" origin story, so probably should start looking there.

That's... an interesting way of looking at things. I'd argue some things aren't extraneous. Krypton has to blow up. Otherwise, you're not even telling the same story anymore.

I'unno. Agree to disagree, I guess.

[CyberCubed]

The franchise doesn't have a "real" origin story, so probably should start looking there.

You sound like you don't care about the TMNT franchise at all. So the last 30 years of comics and cartoons don't matter?

[BLUEDRAGON77]

so heres my question. If somebody has seen all the tv spots and stuff is there still a lot to see or has the trailers pretty much gave away every scene the turtles are in?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

SORRY TO ASK ONE MORE, BUT...

Is Saki/Shredder just a background character who Sachs talks to in the shadows, or does he have a bigger role outside of attacking the turtles in the armor?

[ctt4lfecw]

You sound like you don't care about the TMNT franchise at all. So the last 30 years of comics and cartoons don't matter?

Pretty much this. I think I'll skip this movie.

[trikuza]

Some films show the origin in the second film, like Godfather II. Who knows what they're planning though...

[RaphaelinSTL]

You sound like you don't care about the TMNT franchise at all. So the last 30 years of comics and cartoons don't matter?

Man, you're quick to attack aren't you?

[Leo656]

Cubed is a testy sort of fellow, yes.

[Bry]

The franchise doesn't have a "real" origin story, so probably should start looking there.

Kinda does, though.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080205181213/tmnt/images/b/be/01cover.jpg

There have been variations on it, but this is always the basis. This'll be the first time the Hamato Yoshi element has been removed entirely. Weird choice. Really don't care for that at all.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Cubed is a testy sort of fellow, yes.

Sure seems like it.

Anyway, I'm still excited for this interpretation of the TMNT...I'm still holding up my eagerness for the film until I see it myself and see how the experience makes me feel as opposed to what I think SHOULD happen. Of course, that same experience ruined The Dark Knight Rises for me so I'm hoping I don't get a repeat 2 years later.

Next week will be a fun one regardless.

[Sanjuro]

You sound like you don't care about the TMNT franchise at all. So the last 30 years of comics and cartoons don't matter?

Obviously I do care about the franchise, I'm just realistic. The main draw is it's a story about four mutated turtles and their surrogate rat father. It's not that complicated.

[Xiewin]

Who knows? Maybe they'll add him in a sequel.

[TigerClaw]

From what I gather from all this info, The origin in the movie is different from all incarnations. But the fact to the matter is, Each incarnation has been different in how they tell the story.

Being someone with an open mind, I been a fan of every single iteration of the TMNT since its inception, I don't stick to one version, Whatever version they put out there, I will support it.

[Sanjuro]

so heres my question. If somebody has seen all the tv spots and stuff is there still a lot to see or has the trailers pretty much gave away every scene the turtles are in?

There is plenty to see. Most of the spots/trailers have been cut differently than how they play out in the film.

SORRY TO ASK ONE MORE, BUT...

Is Saki/Shredder just a background character who Sachs talks to in the shadows, or does he have a bigger role outside of attacking the turtles in the armor?

No. Shredder is the only one who attacks the turtles. Sacks has no interaction with them (other than light experimentation).

[ctt4lfecw]

It makes zero sense how Splinter is a ninja master though. HTF could he not have any ties to Hamato Yoshi?

[TigerClaw]

I'm curious, Is April's father in the movie name. Kirby? Just like in the Nick series.

[Traximus]

Obviously I do care about the franchise, I'm just realistic. The main draw is it's a story about four mutated turtles and their surrogate rat father. It's not that complicated.

That's pretty much the general consensus from casual TMNT fans. This franchise biggest draw is it's weirdness and sense of humor about itself and the superhero genre/pop culture.

It really should never try to compete with properties like Batman and Spider-Man because it doesn't have the same legs. TMNT is on it's own pedestal and it excels when it doesn't take itself too seriously.

[Sanjuro]

From what I gather from all this info, The origin in the movie is different from all incarnations. But the fact to the matter is, Each incarnation has been different in how they tell the story.

Being someone with an open mind, I been a fan of every single iteration of the TMNT since its inception, I don't stick to one version, Whatever version they put out there, I will support it.

That's what I don't understand. If anything, for someone to say I'm not a fan of the franchise because they are blind to this, it's a bit absurd.

I see no reason why they can't expand in future films, but I think adding more substance to that very particular arc would be redundant as the film establishes their feelings for one another. Even Shredder mocks the relationship in dialog.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Obviously I do care about the franchise, I'm just realistic. The main draw is it's a story about four mutated turtles and their surrogate rat father. It's not that complicated.

Hey man, it's cool...don't let people attacking you stop from answering all of our questions. Some people just need to blow off some steam and then get knocked out by the Foot. :trazz:

The more I'm thinking about the elements of this film and how things may have been added later on makes me wonder if this was a movie that just had too many rewrites and "cooks in the broth" so to say. Perhaps this isn't the right thread for this, but if they're really going to disregard so many important elements of their history...I wonder if they really did have a plan to completely change their origin all together and after all of the general public and ESPECIALLY fan outrage, they realized they didn't have something tangible on their hands by going with their original story.

Yet, they wanted to keep some elements in there because they liked it...all while adding in things fans just desire to see. I don't know, we'll have to see. I'm all for original tales as long as the characters are true to who I know and love. While sure it would be fantastic to see the Eastman and Laird pages jump off the screen and while I think that would make for an excellent film (I'm looking at you Del Toro and Nicolas Winding Refn) that doesn't seem to be the case with what we're getting. I do think I need to control my hype and not let it over take me when it comes to the movie.

I just got to remember to enjoy myself....isn't that why we go see movies in the first place?

[BLUEDRAGON77]

There is plenty to see. Most of the spots/trailers have been cut differently than how they play out in the film.



No. Shredder is the only one who attacks the turtles. Sacks has no interaction with them (other than light experimentation).


thanks for the quick reply. what i meant though was is there entirely new scenes we havent seen or have they shown bits and peices of all the main stuff? thanks for doing this.. i can't wait. that new tv spot with mikey saying you can always find me in here was halarious.. lastly, ive been getting the vibe this movie is basically the new cartoon live action, same type of humor etc. is that true would you say? i'm off. thanks again

[The Stryker]

Obviously I do care about the franchise, I'm just realistic. The main draw is it's a story about four mutated turtles and their surrogate rat father. It's not that complicated.

Bingo. I'm the same way.

They get the characters of the turtles decently enough and their back and forths? They can go ahead and do what they want around it. Cool with me.

[Sanjuro]

It makes zero sense how Splinter is a ninja master though. HTF could he not have any ties to Hamato Yoshi?

Because it ultimately matters very little?

I'm curious, Is April's father in the movie name. Kirby? Just like in the Nick series.

It's quite possible his name is "Guy who is super dead". They MAY have given him a name, but nothing memorable, and certainly not Kirby. That would have caught my attention.

[RaphaelinSTL]

From what I gather from all this info, The origin in the movie is different from all incarnations. But the fact to the matter is, Each incarnation has been different in how they tell the story.

Being someone with an open mind, I been a fan of every single iteration of the TMNT since its inception, I don't stick to one version, Whatever version they put out there, I will support it.

Well said!

http://i.imgur.com/NAk6C.gif

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Hmmm, I wonder what the ledgend behind Sach's Japanese tapestry is?

[Sanjuro]

thanks for the quick reply. what i meant though was is there entirely new scenes we havent seen or have they shown bits and peices of all the main stuff? thanks for doing this.. i can't wait. that new tv spot with mikey saying you can always find me in here was halarious.. lastly, ive been getting the vibe this movie is basically the new cartoon live action, same type of humor etc. is that true would you say? i'm off. thanks again

Yes and no. I would say the IDW series might be the biggest influence, then the Nick show.

They pretty much go right after each turtle's stereotype, which the Nick show does as well.

[Traximus]

It makes zero sense how Splinter is a ninja master though. HTF could he not have any ties to Hamato Yoshi?

He learns Ninjitsu through a book he found in the sewer. I'm not making that up

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

There is plenty to see. Most of the spots/trailers have been cut differently than how they play out in the film.



No. Shredder is the only one who attacks the turtles. Sacks has no interaction with them (other than light experimentation).

No that's not what I meant, what I meant is does SAKI have a big role in the film, or is he just in a few scenes?

[Sanjuro]

Hmmm, I wonder what the ledgend behind Sach's Japanese tapestry is?

He is a bastard child left behind from the Vietnam war. Shredder took him into the Foot Clan. While I do understand Vietnam is a different location, the father might have been stationed on leave in Japan? That part escapes me a little bit, but that is the basic gist of it.

No that's not what I meant, what I meant is does SAKI have a big role in the film, or is he just in a few scenes?

Shredder is Saki. He pretty much spends the majority of the action sequences beating the **** out of the turtles.

[DioLeo451]

Are there any 80s or 90s songs present?

[Leo656]

I don't know, I think how the characters are portrayed is definitely important but I think the story of how they got there is important, too. I mean, when it's a story most people who are fans are already aware of, why change it just to change it? Especially - and this is my big issue - when you know, for a fact, that some people ARE going to be upset about it. Why divide your audience, on purpose? Disregarding my own personal feelings, it's just a questionable business strategy to force choices you know are going to be controversial, and then tell people to "deal with it". It would have been simple enough to leave the basic origin story alone, or maybe just incorporate some new pieces into it without wiping the slate entirely and starting over, and therefore please everyone, thus ensuring more people buy into it. Seems kind of common sense to me.

Again, we can agree to disagree, I guess, but this all reinforces my opinion that this movie was developed by the wrong people, and that even if it's good, it probably would have been better if almost anyone else had made it.

[TigerClaw]

How was Karai in the movie? How much screen time does she have and, Do they mention she is the Shredder's Daughter?

[Kevin G]

So, is the movie worth seeing?

[RaphaelinSTL]

I've discussed this a ton of times with the most TMNT diehards. You can't expect this franchise to dish out a Batman Begins style presentation. This film has some things in common with that film, ultimately that's just not going to happen. The first film is the closest you're going to get to that. I mean, the storyboards were basically the comic books.

I hear ya. Oddly enough, before Bay was involved I remember a lot of people comparing the script they were working on to Batman Begins and it stayed true to the comics.

In fact, whoever was running the Mirage Comics Twitter back in 2009 mentioned that the movie was sticking incredibly close to the Ultimate Collection Volume 1.

[Sanjuro]

Are there any 80s or 90s songs present?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ

I don't know, I think how the characters are portrayed is definitely important but I think the story of how they got there is important, too. I mean, when it's a story most people who are fans are already aware of, why change it just to change it? Especially - and this is my big issue - when you know, for a fact, that some people ARE going to be upset about it. Why divide your audience, on purpose? Disregarding my own personal feelings, it's just a questionable business strategy to force choices you know are going to be controversial, and then tell people to "deal with it". It would have been simple enough to leave the basic origin story alone, or maybe just incorporate some new pieces into it without wiping the slate entirely and starting over, and therefore please everyone, thus ensuring more people buy into it. Seems kind of common sense to me.

Again, we can agree to disagree, I guess, but this all reinforces my opinion that this movie was developed by the wrong people, and that even if it's good, it probably would have been better if almost anyone else had made it.

We seem to be going over the same problem. The TMNT franchise isn't set in concrete, and this film does everything a majority of audiences will find familiar in the origin.

[Traximus]

As far as the general public goes, they're general knowledge of the TMNT backstory is..."four turtles mutated by ooze and trained by a rat to be ninjas". Their knowledge would mostly come from the cartoon, and there was really no "cycle of vengeance" aspect. It was kinda-sorta thee, but it was dropped by Season 2. Then it just became Turtles foiling Shredder's plans.

Since this movie is mostly based off the cartoon, that's where they draw the biggest influence. Making the Hamato Yoshi part of the origin not-needed this time.

They could still always introduce it later, especially if they continue to draw from, the IDW series, but the movie seems to go along fine without it.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

He is a bastard child left behind from the Vietnam war. Shredder took him into the Foot Clan. While I do understand Vietnam is a different location, the father might have been stationed on leave in Japan? That part escapes me a little bit, but that is the basic gist of it.



Wait, what's that have to do with the tapestry/painting we saw in the background in the one image where April and Sachs are talking? The painting the shows a feudal Japanese battle that several posters thought they saw turtles and utroms in? That's what I was wondering about.

[TigerClaw]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ



We seem to be going over the same problem. The TMNT franchise isn't set in concrete, and this film does everything a majority of audiences will find familiar in the origin.
Whoa, That song plays in the movie? I bet with Mikey.

[Sanjuro]

So, is the movie worth seeing?

Sure.

How was Karai in the movie? How much screen time does she have and, Do they mention she is the Shredder's Daughter?

She is in most scenes involving the Foot, so a healthy amount with a few lines thrown in.

No. I doubt they are reaching for that angle.

[Traximus]

How was Karai in the movie? How much screen time does she have and, Do they mention she is the Shredder's Daughter?

Sadly she's barely a factor.

So, is the movie worth seeing?

It's a fun watch. And a good TMNT movie.

[Sanjuro]

Wait, what's that have to do with the tapestry/painting we saw in the background in the one image where April and Sachs are talking? The painting the showis a feudal Japanese battle that several posters thought they saw turtles and utroms in? That's what I was wondering about.

That is when Sacks is speaking with April at his home about his backstory and knowledge of the turtles.

Whoa, That song plays in the movie? I bet with Mikey.

Nope!

[TigerClaw]

Sure.



She is in most scenes involving the Foot, so a healthy amount with a few lines thrown in.

No. I doubt they are reaching for that angle.
Cool, Does the movie show the whole dynamic between Leo and Karai? These two always end up fighting each other.

[DioLeo451]

[QUOTE=Sanjuro;1317405]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ
Omg dude :lol:

[RaphaelinSTL]

I don't know, I think how the characters are portrayed is definitely important but I think the story of how they got there is important, too. I mean, when it's a story most people who are fans are already aware of, why change it just to change it? Especially - and this is my big issue - when you know, for a fact, that some people ARE going to be upset about it. Why divide your audience, on purpose? Disregarding my own personal feelings, it's just a questionable business strategy to force choices you know are going to be controversial, and then tell people to "deal with it". It would have been simple enough to leave the basic origin story alone, or maybe just incorporate some new pieces into it without wiping the slate entirely and starting over, and therefore please everyone, thus ensuring more people buy into it. Seems kind of common sense to me.

Again, we can agree to disagree, I guess, but this all reinforces my opinion that this movie was developed by the wrong people, and that even if it's good, it probably would have been better if almost anyone else had made it.

While you can find new ways to tell the origin story, I guess sometimes people just want to be creative and go a different route. Now having the TMNT be aliens from a different planet and stumble upon Earth would've been a no go for me but it seems like the story beats are still there...it's just a new coat of paint on some aspects. I totally see your point though.

I just look at a movie like the new Amazing Spider-Man series which feels like it's trying to offer something new and not giving much else. That first movie had EXTREMELY false advertising touting "the untold story" even though...it was everything we've seen before....this time just in a boring film.

Again, if this has a chance at a sequel....maybe they stretch some things out?

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

That is when Sacks is speaking with April at his home about his backstory and knowledge of the turtles.



Nope!

Oh, then they didn't talk about what was shown on the tapestry, or the story behind it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Sanjuro]

Cool, Does the movie show the whole dynamic between Leo and Karai? These two always end up fighting each other.

No. The height of their relationship is them being surprised they didn't violently kill her. She is a throwaway Tatsu type character.

[TigerClaw]

No. The height of their relationship is them being surprised they didn't violently kill her. She is a throwaway Tatsu type character.
Oh ok, So I guess there's a chance we'll see more of Karai in the sequel then.

[Sanjuro]

Oh ok, So I guess there's a chance we'll see more of Karai in the sequel then.

I doubt she would ever be elevated in stature, but yeah she isn't gone. Like I mentioned before, Sacks seems kind of prime to take the Baxter Stockman role.

[Bry]

As far as the general public goes, they're general knowledge of the TMNT backstory is..."four turtles mutated by ooze and trained by a rat to be ninjas". Their knowledge would mostly come from the cartoon, and there was really no "cycle of vengeance" aspect. It was kinda-sorta thee, but it was dropped by Season 2. Then it just became Turtles foiling Shredder's plans.

Since this movie is mostly based off the cartoon, that's where they draw the biggest influence. Making the Hamato Yoshi part of the origin not-needed this time.

It sounds to me like they mainly made this movie with casual fans with kinda-vague memories of the old cartoon in mind. Not saying hardcore fans can't enjoy it too, but I just really wish they aimed higher and tried to make a more balanced, "definitive" take that respects the origins more than this does. Especially since it's the 30th anniversary, y'know?

This just doesn't sound like the movie I want on any level. It's not for me. That's fine; I don't need it to be. Just good to know I probably shouldn't bother with it.

[Addison81]

Not sure if this has been asked but does Shredder die?

[Sanjuro]

It sounds to me like they mainly made this movie with casual fans with kinda-vague memories of the old cartoon in mind. Not saying hardcore fans can't enjoy it too, but I just really wish they aimed higher and tried to make a more balanced, "definitive" take that respects the origins more than this does.

This just doesn't sound like the movie I want on any level. It's not for me. That's fine; I don't need it to be. Just good to know I probably shouldn't bother with it.

If they made a film for the hardcore fans in mind, this would be likely the bomb of the summer. This film did not bring back any memories of the original cartoon for me, it seemed like they made a conscious effort to appeal to every existing fan of the franchise, new and old.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

@Sanjuro

I haven't been posting here long, but the way you handle the origin crybabies is an inspiration.

I'm ok with Splinter just being Splinter quite frankly. The first movie did that story perfectly, no need to try and redo it or make it fresh. I'm glad they took it another way. Gives them the chance to make new stories.

[TigerClaw]

I remember seeing the clip with April and Bernadette Thompson in it, And in a wall, There's a paper with Stockman's name on it, Is he in the movie or mention by name? Perhaps under the StockGen name like in IDW?

[Sanjuro]

Not sure if this has been asked but does Shredder die?

He has ooze on his fingers while dying. It implies he will regenerate in some manner.

[Bry]

If they made a film for the hardcore fans in mind, this would be likely the bomb of the summer.

Tell that to the folks at Marvel Studios.

[RaphaelinSTL]

It sounds to me like they mainly made this movie with casual fans with kinda-vague memories of the old cartoon in mind. Not saying hardcore fans can't enjoy it too, but I just really wish they aimed higher and tried to make a more balanced, "definitive" take that respects the origins more than this does. Especially since it's the 30th anniversary, y'know?

This just doesn't sound like the movie I want on any level. It's not for me. That's fine; I don't need it to be. Just good to know I probably shouldn't bother with it.

I'm not here to tell you what to do of course but how often do you get the chance to say you went to see a new Ninja Turtle movie that stayed in some aspects a little faithful to the characters we know and love? It's not like we're dealing with Colonel Schrader here. :twink:

I say, support the boys and give it a chance next week!

[Sanjuro]

I remember seeing the clip with April and Bernadette Thompson in it, And in a wall, There's a paper with Stockman's name on it, Is he in the movie or mention by name? Perhaps under the StockGen name like in IDW?

You may be right. I have a vague memory of possibly seeing something as well. I thought it was Sack's industry, as it was directly linked to the turtles. The board April has is kind of like a spiderweb map of the events.

[Leo656]

@Sanjuro

I haven't been posting here long, but the way you handle the origin crybabies is an inspiration.


Again with the name-calling? People were conversing just fine. No need to start that bullsh*t again.

Go the f*ck home.

[Sanjuro]

Tell that to the folks at Marvel Studios.

Marvel Studios is probably the worst example to suggest making films for the hardcore fans. They are probably the most diverse blockbusters out there.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Marvel Studios is probably the worst example to suggest making films for the hardcore fans. They are probably the most diverse blockbusters out there.

Agreed.

Plus, I feel I'm in the minority of someone who doesn't get much enjoyment out of those movies outside of Captain America.

[Xiewin]

Agreed.

Plus, I feel I'm in the minority of someone who doesn't get much enjoyment out of those movies outside of Captain America.

I dont get whats so great about those films either.

[TigerClaw]

William Fichtner has said on a previous interview that he has a 3 picture deal for TMNT.

And since Eric Sachs is more of a Baxter Stockman like character.

Do you think hes is the one that will end up creating Bebop & Rocksteady?

[CyberCubed]

How long did it take you to get used to the designs of the TurtleS?

[Bry]

Marvel Studios is probably the worst example to suggest making films for the hardcore fans. They are probably the most diverse blockbusters out there.

That have stayed very true to the source material and the core of their stories/origins. I'm not expecting an exact Mirage #1 adaptation, but I'd at least like something that shows the writers at least read the thing and tried to respect the source material.

Again. Just my preference. Just where I'm coming from.

[Sanjuro]

Agreed.

Plus, I feel I'm in the minority of someone who doesn't get much enjoyment out of those movies outside of Captain America.

I think some of the films are definitely cookie-cut in terms of filmmaking style, but the content is hardly. Marvel just seems to be taking the approach to their properties like Eon does with Bond films. They want as much control as possible.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

He has ooze on his fingers while dying. It implies he will regenerate in some manner.

Or they're setting up the Shredder mantle to be taken by Sachs in the sequel. I really hope not. :(

[Leo656]

How long did it take you to get used to the designs of the TurtleS?


Clearly he has no problem with that at all. Ask better questions or get off the dais.

[Sanjuro]

William Fichtner has said on a previous interview that he has a 3 picture deal for TMNT.

And since Eric Sachs is more of a Baxter Stockman like character.

Do you think hes is the one that will end up creating Bebop & Rocksteady?

I mean, they could re-cast. Like people getting hung up on the name "Yoshi", they might get hung up on "Stockman". Sacks is a rich and powerful scientist. In his lone scene with the turtles (where they are bound) he has some interesting lines while examining them.

How long did it take you to get used to the designs of the TurtleS?

Having been a fan of the Mirage books, very quickly. Didn't seem much different from other variations. Once the action sequences kick in, it's pretty obvious why they look the manner that they do.

[Sanjuro]

Or they're setting up the Shredder mantle to be taken by Sachs in the sequel. I really hope not. :(

I don't see how that would make much sense. Sacks can't fight, or fire a gun well to be honest. I mean...Gob takes him down.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Again with the name-calling? People were conversing just fine. No need to start that bullsh*t again.

Go the f*ck home.

Uh where do you think I'm name calling from?

[samxsteal]

That have stayed very true to the source material and the core of their stories/origins. I'm not expecting an exact Mirage #1 adaptation, but I'd at least like something that shows the writers at least read the thing and tried to respect the source material.

Again. Just my preference. Just where I'm coming from.

Not really My Coworker and Friend Hates most Marvelmovie because they tray way to far,

Whiplash in IM2 is a bastardization of two Ironman villains,

Winter soldier was totally wrong,

Thor was pretty good but there are lots going on thats al over the place compared to the Comics,

Etc Etc I do not share his opinions I love them all but they really aren't as close as lots of people keep saying

[Leo656]

Why the hell was he initially purported to be the "main" villain for the past year, then? Why was it heavily implied, if not outright said at least once, that he was Shredder, if he's merely a sidekick?

Something's fishy, there. Something definitely sounds like it changed between when he signed on and when the movie was finished.

Uh where do you think I'm name calling from?
As in, take that sh*t somewhere else. When people who don't agree are having a perfectly normal conversation, and then some kid starts that name-calling "you're a crybaby" sh*t, it sends everything down in flames. You ain't been here long, but you been here long enough to know better.

So, again, take it somewhere else or zip your cakehole, if you can't be civil and let people have their opinions.

[Sanjuro]

Not really My Coworker and Friend Hates most Marvelmovie because they tray way to far,

Whiplash in IM2 is a bastardization of two Ironman villains,

Winter soldier was totally wrong,

Thor was pretty good but there are lots going on thats al over the place compared to the Comics,

Etc Etc I do not share his opinions I love them all but they really aren't as close as lots of people keep saying

My favorite Marvel uproar are the people that pretend to care about Iron Man, who then pretended even harder about the Mandarin.

Why the hell was he initially purported to be the "main" villain for the past year, then? Why was it heavily implied, if not outright said at least once, that he was Shredder, if he's merely a sidekick?

Something's fishy, there. Something definitely sounds like it changed between when he signed on and when the movie was finished.

My guess is because Shredder is a generic Asian actor along with Karai.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Not really My Coworker and Friend Hates most Marvelmovie because they tray way to far,

Whiplash in IM2 is a bastardization of two Ironman villains,

Winter soldier was totally wrong,

Thor was pretty good but there are lots going on thats al over the place compared to the Comics,

Etc Etc I do not share his opinions I love them all but they really aren't as close as lots of people keep saying

I think the lesson here is, the more you marry yourself to the comic books the less you'll like the movie adaptations.

[beeshaw]

I think the lesson here is, the more you marry yourself to the comic books the less you'll like the movie adaptations.

**** son, just book adaptions in general. lol


And my next question(s) -

Why does Sachs capture the Turtles? Why leave Raph?

[Leo656]

My guess is because Shredder is a generic Asian actor along with Karai.

I don't know. They easily could have cast another "Name" in the Shredder role. Maybe not Watanabe like everyone keeps saying, but someone. This seriously sounds like Sachs WAS Shredder, until the backlash. They made a lot of noise about how important Eric Sachs was. Again, something is fishy. "Asian Shredder" seems tacked on, from the way it's being described.

[TigerClaw]

I think the lesson here is, the more you marry yourself to the comic books the less you'll like the movie adaptations.
Very true, I never read any of those Comics, But I love the movies.

[Sanjuro]

**** son, just book adaptions in general. lol


And my next question(s) -

Why does Sachs capture the Turtles? Why leave Raph?

Where is the fourth turtle?

Dead, sir.

....meh.

[beeshaw]

Where is the fourth turtle?

Dead, sir.

....meh.

So when you said he was knocked the **** out, you meant it eh? lol

[Sanjuro]

I don't know. They easily could have cast another "Name" in the Shredder role. Maybe not Watanabe like everyone keeps saying, but someone. This seriously sounds like Sachs WAS Shredder, until the backlash. They made a lot of noise about how important Eric Sachs was. Again, something is fishy. "Asian Shredder" seems tacked on, from the way it's being described.

Why would they have to do this? They cast an actor who was okay with hardly showing his face and spewing cheesy dialog. Worked out well for the final product.

That being said, Sacks is pretty important to the story. He just isn't in a big suit killing things, which was never his character.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Very true, I never read any of those Comics, But I love the movies.

I am actually watching the 90's movie again right now.

The IDW series is really good, I have to catch up, it's been a while since I read them.

I'm glad it sounds like they're going off the IDW series, maybe because Eastman is directly involved in that?

[TigerClaw]

I am actually watching the 90's movie again right now.

The IDW series is really good, I have to catch up, it's been a while since I read them.

I'm glad it sounds like they're going off the IDW series, maybe because Eastman is directly involved in that?
I was referring to the Marvel movies actually. Never read those comics, I only have a few marvel comics, But non of the ones from the marvel studio movies.

[Leo656]

Why would they have to do this? They cast an actor who was okay with hardly showing his face and spewing cheesy dialog. Worked out well for the final product.

That being said, Sacks is pretty important to the story. He just isn't in a big suit killing things, which was never his character.

Marketing? Assuaging people's fears? They knew everyone connected Sachs with Shredder, and I can't entirely remember, but I swear at one point they even came out and said he was. Then, suddenly, he's not. They talked way too much about "Eric Sachs" for him to be so inconsequential.

Did they definitely change it because of backlash? I don't know, but it *seems* like a very strong possibility. I'm almost positive that at one point, Sachs was going to be Shredder. Maybe it was an interview, a press release, something, but I'm almost positive I saw it stated. If Sachs was never going to be Shredder, it wouldn't have been hard, at all, to come out immediately and say, "No, you are confused, Sachs and Shredder are different characters". People pull the "trying to keep it under wraps" defense but that's flimsy. Very very flimsy, because literally everyone knows Shredder is not a character named Eric Sachs. People thought he was, and made a lot of noise about it, and they could have gotten a lot of people on board a lot earlier if they'd come clean.

Again, I have a very strong feeling that many, many things were being reworked right up until the very end.

[#MechaFresh]

How does the Shredder sound when he speaks? Are there any moments of interaction with the Shredder and Foot?

What's with the scene of The 'pissed off' looking, Leonardo breathing heavily while sweating?

Thanks again!

[Sanjuro]

For one, we never had someone come out and give us straight forward answers. Just random dialog from actors who are paid to keep a smile and talk, even if they are unaware of what they just accomplished.

The adverts may have been misleading, but I'm not really one who prefers to be completely spoiled. I guess I'm speaking to the choir as I've been talking about this film to others who have not seen it and want every tidbit. To each their own.

How does the Shredder sound when he speaks? Are there any moments of interaction with the Shredder and Foot?

What's with the scene of The 'pissed off' looking, Leonardo breathing heavily while sweating?

Thanks again!

Shredder sounds pretty cool for the most part. I think he had a couple silly lines, but that is the character for the most part anyway. Karai does most of the Foot work. Shredder just comes in for clean up or beating the hell out of the turtles.

Hah. If I recall, the breathing heavily scene is when three of the turtles are being pumped with adrenaline. Was one of the funnier scenes in the film.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Marketing? Assuaging people's fears? They knew everyone connected Sachs with Shredder, and I can't entirely remember, but I swear at one point they even came out and said he was. Then, suddenly, he's not. They talked way too much about "Eric Sachs" for him to be so inconsequential.

Did they definitely change it because of backlash? I don't know, but it *seems* like a very strong possibility. I'm almost positive that at one point, Sachs was going to be Shredder. Maybe it was an interview, a press release, something, but I'm almost positive I saw it stated. If Sachs was never going to be Shredder, it wouldn't have been hard, at all, to come out immediately and say, "No, you are confused, Sachs and Shredder are different characters". People pull the "trying to keep it under wraps" defense but that's flimsy. Very very flimsy, because literally everyone knows Shredder is not a character named Eric Sachs. People thought he was, and made a lot of noise about it, and they could have gotten a lot of people on board a lot earlier if they'd come clean.

Again, I have a very strong feeling that many, many things were being reworked right up until the very end.

Hey can't we just take the victory in knowing they listened to the complaints about a white shredder, and alien turtles? I never heard of any other franchise change their script due to fan reaction. They did listen to the fan's concerns.

[Leo656]

Hey can't we just take the victory in knowing they listened to the complaints about a white shredder, and alien turtles? I never heard of any other franchise change their script due to fan reaction. They did listen to the fan's concerns.

Sure, man, I'm just suspicious of what exactly they were trying to accomplish, that's all. Like you said, obviously they were paying attention along the way. It's just odd that they apparently needed people who weren't being paid to work on the thing to tell them how it was "supposed" to be.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Sure, man, I'm just suspicious of what exactly they were trying to accomplish, that's all. Like you said, obviously they were paying attention along the way. It's just odd that they apparently needed people who weren't being paid to work on the thing to tell them how it was "supposed" to be.

I honestly think they were going for a Ra's Al Ghul type swerve in the story. The thing got blown up on the internet, and they made changes.

I honestly don't have a problem if Sachs was Shredder, considering they abandoned the Splinter/Yoshi story. It kind of makes having Shredder be Saki less important.

In non argument news...

Listened to CM Punk on a podcast from over the weekend, and they brought up how he'd be the perfect Casey Jones, I've been on this bandwagon for years. He said he would absolutely do it, but he doubts anyone (movie studios) would be interested in him.

If they announce a sequel I hope he gets a chance.

[Leo656]

Fair enough, just still kind of an odd, meandering way to tell a story.

Also, for what it's worth floyd, sorry for getting snippy with you earlier, just tired of the names and stuff and frankly, you're better than that. So yeah, way to just get the convo back on track. "Preciate ya.

[Brevator]

No Yoshi, no watchy.

[Addison81]

Does splinter die?

Does Shredder appear towards the end of the movie? Or does he make an earlier appearance?

[Sanjuro]

If CM Punk could act, why not. We could argue Megan Fox's intangibles. She still has some value attached to her name though.

Years back I thought Stephen Dorff would have been a fun Casey. Basically doesn't take much with this property.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

If CM Punk could act, why not. We could argue Megan Fox's intangibles. She still has some value attached to her name though.

Years back I thought Stephen Dorff would have been a fun Casey. Basically doesn't take much with this property.

How was she? She is still the #1 concern I have with the movie. I appreciate her enthusiasm in promoting the movie, but she's maybe the worst mainstream actress who gets work. Her performance in Jonah Hex was the worst acting in a major motion picture I've ever seen.

[Leo656]

Punk's a little too scrawny. I love the guy but I'unno about him as Casey. That's a tough role for me to cast, I'd have to really think about it. Just because the guy'd probably be under a hockey mask the whole time, I'd still want someone "right" for it, rather than an obscure nobody OR a "name" they just threw in to sell tickets.

That's a tough one. Guess we'll find out in two years, eh?

[Sanjuro]

No Yoshi, no watchy.

Okay.

Does splinter die?

Does Shredder appear towards the end of the movie? Or does he make an earlier appearance?

While I'm not certain that he actually dies, he survives 2014.

Shredder is the primary villain, and is in the film more than most characters.

[Puddinpop]

I don't know. They easily could have cast another "Name" in the Shredder role. Maybe not Watanabe like everyone keeps saying, but someone. This seriously sounds like Sachs WAS Shredder, until the backlash. They made a lot of noise about how important Eric Sachs was. Again, something is fishy. "Asian Shredder" seems tacked on, from the way it's being described.

Well even last year.. Fichtner always said " I actually play a guy named Eric ". And even if he did lead people on deliberately.. Its obvious that they wanted to create mystery around the character.. get people talking about it. And it worked like a charm. And judging by some of the things being said on Facebook and Twitter.. it was a pleasant surprise. I think when you take a character out of the picture.. someone as iconic and important as Saki.. you in a way make him even bigger.. bc in the absence of something great people no longer take it for granted and it becomes bigger and more desirable.. kind of like when people die " in a way ". So by creating this type of climate where people are treating Saki like a long lost legend.. and then go to see the movie and find out he's in it? I could see how that would be exciting and surprising. But I think the main objective here was to get people talking about the movie. I don't think they went back and threw Saki in there.. Eastman has been telling people for over a year now... " Hold your opinions and don't listen to what you read about Shredder online.. Youll be pleased and your in for a pleasant surprise. He was right. Director are not going to be held hostage by social media. Bc if they listened to every complaint the movie would never get made. We are lucky they didn't go with the first draft.

[Sanjuro]

How was she? She is still the #1 concern I have with the movie. I appreciate her enthusiasm in promoting the movie, but she's maybe the worst mainstream actress who gets work. Her performance in Jonah Hex was the worst acting in a major motion picture I've ever seen.

She isn't really playing a role where she needs to be a award winning actress. That being said, she is the same caliber as I've seen her before. Not great.

Punk's a little too scrawny. I love the guy but I'unno about him as Casey. That's a tough role for me to cast, I'd have to really think about it. Just because the guy'd probably be under a hockey mask the whole time, I'd still want someone "right" for it, rather than an obscure nobody OR a "name" they just threw in to sell tickets.

That's a tough one. Guess we'll find out in two years, eh?

Elias Koteas wasn't very large and did the job well enough. Considering the size of the characters, I would imagine he would have to be a fairly large man.

[DioLeo451]

[QUOTE=Sanjuro;1317512]She isn't really playing a role where she needs to be a award winning actress. That being said, she is the same caliber as I've seen her before. Not great.
That's sad I really wanted her to prove people wrong about her performance oh well

[Leo656]

She isn't really playing a role where she needs to be a award winning actress. That being said, she is the same caliber as I've seen her before. Not great.



Elias Koteas wasn't very large and did the job well enough. Considering the size of the characters, I would imagine he would have to be a fairly large man.

True, true. As you said, though, the Turtles were smaller so Elias was both physically and characteristically perfect for the part in that version. If he wasn't almost as big as the guys this time around, there'd be no real point in even having him in it, seems like. Not sure who they'd get now. Roman Reigns?

And yeah, I'm one of the few who doesn't love Fox in general or in the role but also don't think it matters. Who were they supposed to get? Without her, there wasn't even going to be a movie, and them's the breaks. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I stand by it, actresses are interchangeable nowadays and they could have had anyone play April.

[Brevator]

I can tolerate changes for the sake of freshness, but stripping away Hamato Yoshi, who is essentially the main character around whom the origin revolves is inexcusable. And here I was worried about Anglo Saxon Shredder, but I never even stopped to consider Hamato Yoshi, because I never would've imagined they'd do something so blatantly defiant.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Punk's a little too scrawny. I love the guy but I'unno about him as Casey. That's a tough role for me to cast, I'd have to really think about it. Just because the guy'd probably be under a hockey mask the whole time, I'd still want someone "right" for it, rather than an obscure nobody OR a "name" they just threw in to sell tickets.

That's a tough one. Guess we'll find out in two years, eh?

He might be scrawny compared to a typical pro wrestler, like Cena, but he's not scrawny. I just think he has the attitude, and look to pull it off, and it would be a natural role for him.

Trying to think of others, not sure what age they would go for, Punk's in his mid 30's. I think if the actor is good enough their size won't matter as much. That being said Ben Foster is another person would could pull it off. I'm sure they'd just get some guy off that Teen Wolf show or something to bring in the young female audience.

True, true. As you said, though, the Turtles were smaller so Elias was both physically and characteristically perfect for the part in that version. If he wasn't almost as big as the guys this time around, there'd be no real point in even having him in it, seems like. Not sure who they'd get now. Roman Reigns?

And yeah, I'm one of the few who doesn't love Fox in general or in the role but also don't think it matters. Who were they supposed to get? Without her, there wasn't even going to be a movie, and them's the breaks. I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I stand by it, actresses are interchangeable nowadays and they could have had anyone play April.

Not to start taking this in a wrestling discussion, but Reigns will be a huge movie star in a few years, if they make a sequel in 2 or 3 years, he might be a big enough name that he could be the guy.

As bad as Fox is, no way she's worse than the TMNT II April or the TMNT III April...they were god awful.

[Sanjuro]

I can tolerate changes for the sake of freshness, but stripping away Hamato Yoshi, who is essentially the main character around whom the origin revolves is inexcusable. And here I was worried about Anglo Saxon Shredder, because I never would've imagined they'd do something so blatantly defiant.

Splinter is a huge asshole. I'm physically upset they stripped away this cemented quality.

[Brevator]

Not to start taking this in a wrestling discussion, but Reigns will be a huge movie star in a few years, if they make a sequel in 2 or 3 years, he might be a big enough name that he could be the guy.

As bad as Fox is, no way she's worse than the TMNT II April or the TMNT III April...they were god awful.

Paige Turco is the same actress, brah. Just to clarify...

[Leo656]

As bad as Fox is, no way she's worse than the TMNT II April or the TMNT III April...they were god awful.

"They" were also the same person...

[Addison81]

Is the final fight alot of one on ones or do all 4 turtles try to team attack Shredder?

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I personally wish they would have stayed true to the 87 mythos.

Turtles fall in sewer
Yoshi picks them up
They walk in ooze
"it caused whoever touched it to take on the form of whatever animal they had most recently been in contact with."
Yoshi picks up the turtles
"The turtles started becoming human, they had most recently been with Yoshi"
Yoshi cleans the turtles
"But Yoshi had most recently been with RATS"
Even though he LITERALLY just put the turtles on the ground.

Can't believe they didn't go with this origin.

[Sanjuro]

Is the final fight alot of one on ones or do all 4 turtles try to team attack Shredder?

Shredder is OP. He beats them to hell and back until they use a prior plot device.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Paige Turco is the same actress, brah. Just to clarify...

Wow her short hair in III really fooled me!

[Sanjuro]

I personally wish they would have stayed true to the 87 mythos.

Turtles fall in sewer
Yoshi picks them up
They walk in ooze
"it caused whoever touched it to take on the form of whatever animal they had most recently been in contact with."
Yoshi picks up the turtles
"The turtles started becoming human, they had most recently been with Yoshi"
Yoshi cleans the turtles
"But Yoshi had most recently been with RATS"
Even though he LITERALLY just put the turtles on the ground.

Can't believe they didn't go with this origin.

Simple. It conflicts with the IDW origin, invalidates Sacks character, and reduces April's role and emotional impact swiftly.

[Addison81]

What's April's emotional impact?

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Simple. It conflicts with the IDW origin, invalidates Sacks character, and reduces April's role and emotional impact swiftly.

I think I did a bad job of showing how flawed and dumb old origin stories can be...he said he last touched rats, when he clearly just touched the turtles...so technically Splinter should also be a Turtle

[Sanjuro]

What's April's emotional impact?

When it's revealed to the audience that Splinter and the turtles were her pets, and she saved their lives by escorting them to the sewers.

[DioLeo451]

When it's revealed to the audience that Splinter and the turtles were her pets, and she saved their lives by escorting them to the sewers.
That's actually kinda cute

[Brevator]

I think I did a bad job of showing how flawed and dumb old origin stories can be...he said he last touched rats, when he clearly just touched the turtles...so technically Splinter should also be a Turtle

This always bothered me too, even as a kid. I rationalize it by surmising that you have to be around the animal for a few minutes...or something.

Science, bitch.

[DioLeo451]

Did some scenes make you want to cry? And is there like real emotion between the bros?

[Sanjuro]

Did some scenes make you want to cry? And is there like real emotion between the bros?

Just the sequence I just described. A woman next to me was crying. Between the turtles themselves, just Raph being open at one point in the film, but it was more the foil for a gag than a full moment.

[DioLeo451]

Just the sequence I just described. A woman next to me was crying. Between the turtles themselves, just Raph being open at one point in the film, but it was more the foil for a gag than a full moment.
Oh ok appreciate the info man really makes me more jacked for the film:D

[Cipher]

Hm. Movie sounds really good for what it is, but what it is isn't (and never going to be) something I'm particularly interested in. Sounds like a Marvel movie: fun, flashy, and relatively tasteful. But it takes a little meat to make me care enough to see it.

Nice to know I don't have to shy away, though. I'll either see this in a group or wait until it's released. I have zero problem with any of the content decisions mentioned so far (plus, yay, first faithful Karai since 2007!); just that it's not the kind of movie I get really excited about.

[Addison81]

From what you describe with April's story, I have to say I like the sound of it.

So Raphael fights Shredder one on one? Does this take place earlier in the film? Thanks for the answers.

[Vicky82]

Was their any swearing in it?

Do the Turtles kill?

Was their any blood shown in this movie?

[Sanjuro]

So Raphael fights Shredder one on one? Does this take place earlier in the film? Thanks for the answers.

Yes. He fights Shredder when he goes to rescue his brothers. Maybe the mid-way point or so.

Was their any swearing in it?

Do the Turtles kill?

Was their any blood shown in this movie?

Some ass and ***** for the kids.

I'm not sure if they "KILL", but they basically kill poor Foot Soldiers.

Not much blood.

[Puddinpop]

Can you tell me a little bit more about the emotional scene that made the woman cry.. or any other scenes that hit hard emotionally. And are the fight scenes martial art-ish? Like.. are they better than the old films fight scenes? more intense? And is the CGI believable during them?

[Brevator]

So, wait a minute, April encounters four giant turtles and a rat and doesn't remember until later, when Eric Sachs is giving the cliché villain exposition monologue, that she had four pet turtles and a rat as a kid?

[sh3llshocked]

I have 2 questions...

1. Do they elaborate on why Sachs and Aprils dad were creating "Heroes" together? Considering he is a bad guy working with Shredder?

2. Are there any points where we see Shredder in a more acurate Shredder outfit before Sachs "upgrades" it?

Thanks

[Radical Raph]

No Hamato Yoshi? No Oroku Saki? Is there any story to this at all?

Also, is Raph flexing bullets as dumb as it sounds?

[Leo656]

No Hamato Yoshi? No Oroku Saki? Is there any story to this at all?


Do they need one? Apparently, all they "need" is the turtles and the rat, yeah? They could be flying around on jetpacks, hunting vampires with Abe Lincoln, and it would be "just another interpretation". Or, so I'm told. :lol:

[Bry]

Simple. It conflicts with the IDW origin, invalidates Sacks character, and reduces April's role and emotional impact swiftly.

I just don't get why Sachs had to be a character in this thing in the first place, aside from maybe being a holdover from a previous draft where he was the Shredder. Seems like Baxter Stockman would have been a much better fit here, but I honestly think they backtracked late in the game and couldn't cut Sachs because they'd already filmed too much or couldn't break Fichtner's contract.

As for April... She had a solid role and emotional impact in the 1990 movie and they didn't need to pull some "Anakin Skywalker built C-3P0" plot contrivance to make that work. I dunno, maybe it fits well enough in this movie, but I don't see the point behind it. It's just a major change for the sake of making a major change.

[Anton Chigurh]

I just don't get why Sachs had to be a character in this thing in the first place, aside from maybe being a holdover from a previous draft where he was the Shredder. Seems like Baxter Stockman would have been a much better fit here, but I honestly think they backtracked late in the game and couldn't cut Sachs because they'd already filmed too much or couldn't break Fichtner's contract.

As for April... She had a solid role and emotional impact in the 1990 movie and they didn't need to pull some "Anakin Skywalker built C-3P0" plot contrivance to make that work. I dunno, maybe it fits well enough in this movie, but I don't see the point behind it. It's just a major change for the sake of making a major change.

agree agree agree, but who knows maybe they do a biological name reference or something Erik "Baxter" Sachs, or idk. but I wouldn't
mind that.

[Leo656]

It's one of those kinda things where, you have a character who more or less has Baxter's "spot"... why not just make him Baxter? I'm sure they have their own ideas for Baxter for the sequels, but still, it's just odd. The entire scenario with Sachs has just been odd. I kind of don't believe that the role in its current form is what they intended all along for it.

[Anton Chigurh]

It's one of those kinda things where, you have a character who more or less has Baxter's "spot"... why not just make him Baxter? I'm sure they have their own ideas for Baxter for the sequels, but still, it's just odd. The entire scenario with Sachs has just been odd. I kind of don't believe that the role in its current form is what they intended all along for it.

I cant help but think that sachs was shredder up until the reshoots. And by that time couldnt change his name. But heck if there is a sequal and they make him mutate into a giant fly, they could call he anything.:D

[Leo656]

Despite what others have said, your theory makes perfectly valid sense and I mostly believe that myself. I think it was the first Wolverine movie I was reading about - didn't see it yet, but anyways, I was reading an article about how movies get screwed up by studios, and apparently, with that Wolverine movie, they were already shooting, and the studio was sending over faxes demanding huge sweeping changes to plot, characters, scene sequences, etc. After shooting had already begun. And it was almost a daily thing, "Forget the script, here's what they want now, let's try and make it work with what we have on hand." Apparently, the movie didn't come out well. Go figure, huh?

So you can't tell me it's impossible that same thing happened here. I think it did. "They nerds are bitching again, we need a Japanese guy to do some wrap-arounds." I mean, remember when Bay said the Turtles "Were of an alien origin", then insisted he meant it was the *Ooze* that was of alien origin, and now, apparently, nothing like that is the case at all? Stuff was being changed VERY late in the game, here, and I think anyone who doesn't think so is kind of naive.

[Anton Chigurh]

Despite what others have said, your theory makes perfectly valid sense and I mostly believe that myself. I think it was the first Wolverine movie I was reading about - didn't see it yet, but anyways, I was reading an article about how movies get screwed up by studios, and apparently, with that Wolverine movie, they were already shooting, and the studio was sending over faxes demanding huge sweeping changes to plot, characters, scene sequences, etc. After shooting had already begun. And it was almost a daily thing, "Forget the script, here's what they want now, let's try and make it work with what we have on hand." Apparently, the movie didn't come out well. Go figure, huh?

So you can't tell me it's impossible that same thing happened here. I think it did. "They nerds are bitching again, we need a Japanese guy to do some wrap-arounds." I mean, remember when Bay said the Turtles "Were of an alien origin", then insisted he meant it was the *Ooze* that was of alien origin, and now, apparently, nothing like that is the case at all? Stuff was being changed VERY late in the game, here, and I think anyone who doesn't think so is kind of naive.

Yea I agree, thats never a good sign, however if there is any silver lining. It could be that it makes enough dough for a sequel and they will go in knowing the players and such. I hate that if this is the case but heres hoping for the best.

[Bry]

Also, is Raph flexing bullets as dumb as it sounds?

Haven't seen the movie, but I actually just saw a commercial for it with that shot in it. Raphael is yelling "RRRAAAHHH" and puffing his chest out, and bullets are firing out of his plastron like a machine gun.

Based on that shot? It might actually be the dumbest thing I've ever seen in this franchise. I'm home sick right now, and it made me laugh so hard I went into a coughing fit. This movie is officially trying to kill me. :trazz:

[Sanjuro]

Can you tell me a little bit more about the emotional scene that made the woman cry.. or any other scenes that hit hard emotionally. And are the fight scenes martial art-ish? Like.. are they better than the old films fight scenes? more intense? And is the CGI believable during them?

I pretty much went over that mostly.

There are martial arts. The old films really can't compare for obvious reasons.

So, wait a minute, April encounters four giant turtles and a rat and doesn't remember until later, when Eric Sachs is giving the cliché villain exposition monologue, that she had four pet turtles and a rat as a kid?

No. She remembers when she overhears them use their names during their first encounter.

I have 2 questions...

1. Do they elaborate on why Sachs and Aprils dad were creating "Heroes" together? Considering he is a bad guy working with Shredder?

2. Are there any points where we see Shredder in a more acurate Shredder outfit before Sachs "upgrades" it?

Thanks

1. Something to do with a Japanese legend about a "hero" that saved a town from poisoning. Has more to do with the overall gamble of the film.

2. No. You just see him in robe-wear, fighting though.

[Leo656]

I'm home sick right now, and it made me laugh so hard I went into a coughing fit. This movie is officially trying to kill me. :trazz:

^^ I popped. :lol: Feel better, buddy.

[Sanjuro]

No Hamato Yoshi? No Oroku Saki? Is there any story to this at all?

Also, is Raph flexing bullets as dumb as it sounds?

There isn't much story. Giving detailed background into largely irrelevant sub-plots would have just contributed to more down time. Thankfully it was omitted.

Having the turtle's shells be bulletproof makes sense, and generated some of the larger reactions from the crowd.

[Bry]

^^ I popped. :lol: Feel better, buddy.

Thank you, sir! Goofing around on the Internet while lying down wrapped in a blanket counts as "bed rest", right? :lol:

Having the turtle's shells be bulletproof makes sense, and generated some of the larger reactions from the crowd.

Is there a reason given in the movie that makes the bulletproof shells "make sense"? I ask because actual turtle's shells are definitely not bulletproof, so I'm not sure where that comes from.

[Sanjuro]

Is there a reason given in the movie that makes the bulletproof shells "make sense"? I ask because actual turtle's shells are definitely not bulletproof, so I'm not sure where that comes from.

Yes. They are mutated giant turtles. Turtle shells are seen as a defense mechanism for turtles. Pretty simple stuff.

[LeoRaph]

Did you happen to get the name of the actor playing Saki/Shredder?

How one dimensional were the characterizations, particularly Shredder?

[Bry]

Yes. They are mutated giant turtles. Turtle shells are seen as a defense mechanism for turtles. Pretty simple stuff.

Okay. But to the point where they're bulletproof, and can actually fire bullets back out like a gun when they flex? That doesn't seem simple, that seems... insane.

Different strokes, I guess. Some folks are cool with superhero-level strong and powerful Turtles, some of us aren't.

[Matt2310]

and raph doesnt flex the bullets back at anyone he just flexed and they pretty much fell off him and turned to dust

the turtles CANT flex bullets back at people