First time watching this... (also my first post)

[nathanbofficial]

First of all...I'm in love with this forum! It's amazing and this is my first post, so hey :)

What can I say? A turtle sceptic is what I was. I really didn't think this show would do it for me at all. How wrong was I? Granted, I'm only 4 episodes in, but that's enough for me to declare myself an official 'fan' of TMNT 2012.

Let me start of by saying I'm 22 years old and I have always loved the Turtles as a franchise. Granted, some stuff to come out over the years has been pretty awful but some has been pretty decent. It was the 90s movies that got me hooked on Turtles. I remember being a kid and being obsessed with the first movie, especially The Shredder (villains are my thing lol). So that was how I discovered the (debateable) most famous and successful cartoon of the Turtles and that was the 1987 one. Now by the time I'd finished most of the series I was beyond addicted to the turtles and often went searching with my parents for toys and playsets in stores and markets and even on ebay from time-to-time. I was like every kid back then that came across the turtles, there was just something about them that appealed to me. As I grew older I'm sad to admit my relationship with the show started to become less and less. I tried watching 2003 series but I really just couldn't get into it at all. The writing and the production was good, but as I've said above ^^ the Shredder is my favourite character and the '03 cartoon destroyed him in my opinion. I couldn't take this robot-type Shredder seriously and that's why I didn't keep up with it. Now I know most people must think 'if you loved the Shredder, why didn't you hate the '87 version?'. The answer is probably nostalgia purposes. Anyway, it was only recently that I watched the new Michael Bay Turtles trailer and found myself saying 'Oh no!' Because it really does look awful, no disrespect to the fans of it, I just think hollywood has lost the whole 'point' of the turtles, that's not saying I won't give it a go, but CGI turtles, maximum action and...a robot Shredder aren't something I'm particularly interested in. As I said, I will give it a go, but I can already tell it's going to be struggle. Watching the trailer re-kindled many thoughts about my childhood. I began watching clips of the original 87 cartoon on youtube and thought about how amazing it was to collect to the toys back when I was a kid. I already have the 3 90s movies on blu ray because they're movies I've never strayed away from, the first is in my top 10 favourite movies of all time. I decided to purchase the entire boxset from the USA of the 87 cartoon and I've sat down and watched every episode.

Now I'm not here to review the 87 cartoon. But...let's just say there's a small part of me now as an adult that's saying 'god, it's amazing but it's so cheesy' at the same time. I'll never fall out of love with it, but it's the truth. It's not just the cheese fest, it's the lack of character development really. Every episode consists of the same thing over and over again.

Anyway, enough of that, I read loads of reviews about the 2012 cartoon, many saying it was the 'correct' version of Turtles, many adults too saying they were hooked etc etc. I googled pictures and the animation just put me off straight away. So I kept pushing it out of my mind but as I've read more (as I keep going on) people mentioned about The Shredder being human AND being the villain that you'd except from him (not to diss the '87 cartoon, but he could have been a bit more intimidating). So I ordered the series off Amazon and it arrived today. I'm 4 episodes in and I have to say even as a 22 year old male, I was hooked from the very start. It could all change as I'm only 4 episodes in, but the turtles personalities are spot on. What's more, I'm impressed with other characters too, I genuinely can believe that Splinter was as poweful as the story tells us. In previous versions it's hard to picture him as anything other than a normal man who turns into a rat. This Splinter seems fearless, knowledgable and very self-aware of the danger that can come from 'the world above'. Now I've not seen much of the Shredder, but what I have seen so far is pretty impressive. He seems menacing and he does remind me of the 1990 movie version for some reason. I've heard lots about this version, but if anyone is in my shoes and doesn't feel like this will be any good for them, please give it a go. I really can't wait to watch more and I'm beyond excited for when The Shredder reveals himself to the Turtles and to see if he and Splinter come face-to-face. Or...if he and Splinter do, I just hope it's worth it because the previous cartoon's have been a bit of a let down on that front.

So I thought I'd use this thread to post my views on different things with the series, I hope people don't mind and I'm open to discussions and stuff. I do hope someone can let me know if the series gets better or whether the quality decreases so I know what to expect for the future? :)

[rickwj324]

Welcome!! I'm exactly double your age and I love the Nick toon as well!! It's such a great show. :D

[Shark_Blade]

Welcome! 2k12 is definitely one of the best shows currently (if not the best!).

As much as I love OT, I only care for Season 1. The rest are watchable, but not as interesting and engaging. The animation quality is sad too compared to Season 1.

[Netkeeper]

why do these people always compare 2k12 to 87

did u know 4kids did a way better tmnt show in 2003

[Metalhead 2.0]

Welcome aboard, lil' bro!
I'm not going to spoil anything for you, but I will say that you will NOT be disappointed by the interactions between Splinter and THE Shredder.

[Metalhead 2.0]

why do these people always compare 2k12 to 87

did u know 4kids did a way better tmnt show in 2003

You're not very good at reading.

[Netkeeper]

You're not very good at reading.
DID I MISS SOMETHING

i dont know i skimmed it for the letters 2003 i am dRUNK

[IndigoErth]

Keep watching, you'll keep loving it no doubt. Definitely been some great stuff out of this one so far. People shouldn't let the fun design style fool them into thinking it isn't worth a watch, it's pulled off some epic moments for sure. I'm in my 30s and this series is what brought me back when I gave it a chance early last year.

[Mikey_1992]

Welcome aboard.


I have too started to watch the new TMNT and it is great.

[raph27]

DID I MISS SOMETHING

i dont know i skimmed it for the letters 2003 i am dRUNK
Well.......
There's been weirder on here.

[CyberCubed]

Although the Nick show is a lot funnier and has better interactions between characters, the 4kids show generally has the best plots, story arcs, and fight scenes of the series.

The best bet of being a TMNT fan is having the ability to watch 3 shows.

[ssjup81]

I felt the same after the first 3 eps. I just got into it back in like May. It brought me in. Unfortunately, I couldn't get into the 2k3 version as you. Don't know why.why do these people always compare 2k12 to 87

did u know 4kids did a way better tmnt show in 2003You should've read the entire post.

Anyway, I think some people compare those two because the 2k12 version gives off a similar feel, at times, to the 80s series while still being its own thing. It gives off a nice retro feel to me, and a sense of nostalgia.

[Powder]

Welcome, but chill with the selfie avatar, son. It's a forum, get funky!

[Electric]

welcome to the drome!

as many others have stated, you will not be disapointed with this shredder. if you're only 4 episodes in, just keep going through them. i wont spoil anything but theres some great shredder episodes coming up

im a "villain" kind of guy myself, and i see where youre coming from. but based on what you posted, this shredder is right up your alley

[Metalwolf]

Yeah, I think you will like this Shredder. He is one of the more developed guys, and quite likely also one of the most dangerous. On the occasions he does show, he pretty much about wins the fight.

[tmntpower1988]

I've been re-watching season 1 of the Nick series but I can't seem to get into it, find it boring. Some of the episodes in season 2 are way better. It's not as good as the 2k3 series IMO but it is better than the 80s show. Looking forward to the season 2 finale in September.

the 4kids show generally has the best plots, story arcs, and fight scenes of the series.

Totally agree with this.

[Zatoichi]

23 years old, and I'm really enjoying the TMNT 2012 series. If you like the series now, just wait until you get to the 2nd half of season two!

[Shark_Blade]

Although the Nick show is a lot funnier and has better interactions between characters, the 4kids show generally has the best plots, story arcs, and fight scenes of the series.
Hahhahaha NO. Nick is better if we're comparing Season 1-2 of both series. ;) :tcool:

[Netkeeper]

Says the dude with a 2007 movie avatar.

[pennydreadful]

Hey dude, welcome to the forums! :)

[JTH]

Welcome to board Nathan, hope you enjoy yourself.

Says the dude with a 2007 movie avatar.
Says the person with a Pokémon avatar? I think you're in the wrong forum...

[nathanbofficial]

Thanks for the welcome guys :)

I gave the 2003 series a good go, I watched the first Series and half of the second but it just wasn't for me. I also disliked Turtles Forever based on the fact that the writers seem to become arrogant when it came to judging their own work against others. But hey, that's for a different discussion, right? :tgrin:

[ssjup81]

You know, imo, out of all if the incarnations of Shredder I've been exposed to, I will admit that Nick Shredder is one of the most interesting, mainly because he isn't sane. :lol:

Man, wait until later. Especially the most recent season 2 ep.

You should talk about the eps if you'd like. Check the talkback thread.

I'm glad I gave the show a chance finally, even if it was a couple of months ago. I was hooked and binge watched up to the point the show was at, at the time. Pizzaface.

[Shark_Blade]

Says the dude with a 2007 movie avatar.

Says the one with a furry avatar. ;)

My avatar marks the year I joined this forum 2007, and the tmnt movie associated with that time.

Thanks for the welcome guys :)

I gave the 2003 series a good go, I watched the first Series and half of the second but it just wasn't for me. I also disliked Turtles Forever based on the fact that the writers seem to become arrogant when it came to judging their own work against others. But hey, that's for a different discussion, right? :tgrin:

Yes they were very arrogant and belittled the OT turtles like incompetent fools. But verily, karma bit their asses back. Now 2k3 turtles are never mentioned and treated as it has never existed by Nickelodeon. It's all references to OT (fly baxter, bebop and rocksteady, mutagen man, etc)and the movies (e.g. "Go ninja go", Rahzar, to name a few), never 2k3.

Maybe they will be referenced much much years later in the future (or maybe never at all, which is fine imo), but for now I'm content that justice is done.

[Tazi]

Now 2k3 turtles are never mentioned and treated as it has never existed by Nickelodeon. It's all references to OT (fly baxter, bebop and rocksteady, mutagen man, etc)and the movies (e.g. "Go ninja go", Rahzar, to name a few), never 2k3.
Except Karai being the adopted daughter of Shredder, the inclusion of Utroms (even if they now named as The Kraang, they have more to do with the Utroms then with Krang), Stockman being afro-'murican, Purple Dragons as a recurring street gang (non-japanese one, unlike in Mirage)...

[Electric]

Except Karai being the adopted daughter of Shredder, the inclusion of Utroms (even if they now named as The Kraang, they have more to do with the Utroms then with Krang), Stockman being afro-'murican, Purple Dragons as a recurring street gang (non-japanese one, unlike in Mirage)...

Yeah, but all of those have been taken a different direction. Not to say they weren't influenced by 2k3, but they're not directly from it.

I think what they're referring to is how in every interview with anyone on this show, someone alwats mentions the 80s show. How they a love it and are borrowing things from that. They even brought up the movies I believe, at some point. The only show they do not mention, ever, is 2k3. Whether they're borrowing from them or not, they do not mention it

[Tazi]

Yeah, but all of those have been taken a different direction. Not to say they weren't influenced by 2k3, but they're not directly from it.
Rahzar, Mutagen Man, etc. are also taken to a different direction, so my argument still stands against his.



I think what they're referring to is how in every interview with anyone on this show, someone alwats mentions the 80s show. How they a love it and are borrowing things from that. They even brought up the movies I believe, at some point. The only show they do not mention, ever, is 2k3. Whether they're borrowing from them or not, they do not mention it

This has a lot to do with people who was kid at early '90s are building their careers now, including a big part of the staff. Likely. Mirage is also rarely mentoined, since it was never that much pop as the movie or the first cartoon.

[Electric]

Rahzar, Mutagen Man, etc. are also taken to a different direction, so my argument still stands

Think you're grasping at strings. Yes everything's taken a different direction, but the points you brought up aren't truly taken from just 2k3.

The kraang could definitely by argued that they're based off if krang, and not to mention, utrons were friendly where as the kraang are anything but. Stockman isn't even a point? A lot of incarnations have him being black? That's not owned by 2k3. As for Karai, I've never read the comics, but I'm sure one of them has Karai being adopted by shredder, so again not exclusive to 2k3.

A true part taken from 2k3 would be like having bishop or even Hun, who seems more likely a idw has even borrowed him.

[Netkeeper]

Says the person with a Pokémon avatar? I think you're in the wrong forum...
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You even bothered to accent the E and still got it wrong! This ain't 1999 pal!

Says the one with a furry avatar. ;)

My avatar marks the year I joined this forum 2007, and the tmnt movie associated with that time.
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I think somebody's not understanding my point and instead attaching unnecessary sentimental value to an awful movie!

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Hahhahaha NO. Nick is better if we're comparing Season 1-2 of both series. ;) :tcool:

Disagree entirely. IMO, TMNT 2k3 beats TMNT in almost every aspect.

[Electric]

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You even bothered to accent the E and still got it wrong! This ain't 1999 pal!


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I think somebody's not understanding my point and instead attaching unnecessary sentimental value to an awful movie!


Gonna jump in on this one

I think somebody's unnecessarily being rude, despite the fact that they're the one who insulted an avatar first, and that fact that they're avatar has to do with a completely different series than tmnt. I think your attaching unneccessary awful shows into the tmnt forum.

Understand my point?

Anyways, back on topic...

I'll give credit to 2k3, the first 3 or 4 seasons were good. But IMO I think nicks first 2 seasons are a little better. Not to say they are, just I prefer them

[CombatColdCuts]

I love the new show. I just wish they would release the seasons on blu ray because I have missed a bunch of episodes and I can't find any place to watch them.

[Metalwolf]

Yes they were very arrogant and belittled the OT turtles like incompetent fools. But verily, karma bit their asses back. Now 2k3 turtles are never mentioned and treated as it has never existed by Nickelodeon. It's all references to OT (fly baxter, bebop and rocksteady, mutagen man, etc)and the movies (e.g. "Go ninja go", Rahzar, to name a few), never 2k3.

Maybe they will be referenced much much years later in the future (or maybe never at all, which is fine imo), but for now I'm content that justice is done.I'm also strongly betting they scrapped the whole idea of a Turtles-multiverse too, since that seemed to be 2k3's idea as well in Turtles Forever. I'm also strongly betting they scrapped the whole idea of a Turtles-multiverse too, since that seemed to be 2k3's idea as well in Turtles Forever. If you've noticed, the 80's show got called a 'dimension' and not 'universe' in MP/WQ, which is very telling as 'universe' would be more appropriate if a multiverse was still considered canon. I'm thinking that as fellow 80's fans TF burned them real bad too, and now they don't want anything to do with it, it's concepts, or 2k3.

[Shark_Blade]

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You even bothered to accent the E and still got it wrong! This ain't 1999 pal!

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I think somebody's not understanding my point and instead attaching unnecessary sentimental value to an awful movie!

I think someone needs to go back to kindergarten school to learn how to read and understand context; there's nothing sentimental about my avatar. It could be removed for all I care.

Don't forget to go pee-pee in the toilet and not in your pants. ;) Of course you can bring your furry plush doll with you too.

I'm also strongly betting they scrapped the whole idea of a Turtles-multiverse too, since that seemed to be 2k3's idea as well in Turtles Forever. If you've noticed, the 80's show got called a 'dimension' and not 'universe' in MP/WQ, which is very telling as 'universe' would be more appropriate if a multiverse was still considered canon. I'm thinking that as fellow 80's fans TF burned them real bad too, and now they don't want anything to do with it, it's concepts, or 2k3.
Yeah, they could've glimpsed another dimension aside from OT, they could've glimpsed 2k3 dimension in Wormquake, but they didn't.

Disagree entirely. IMO, TMNT 2k3 beats TMNT in almost every aspect.
Try and give me good episodes from Season 1-2 of 2k3 and I can counter it with Nick's. ;) :tcool: 2k12 > 2k3 ftw.

[CyberCubed]

The 4kids series wasn't just a great TMNT cartoon, it was one of the best action cartoons of the 2000's. Its amazing how good the show was when you think back to it. The show gets a little less memorable in its last two seasons but other than that it was one of the best shows ever made.

[TurFlytle]

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You even bothered to accent the E and still got it wrong! This ain't 1999 pal!


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I think somebody's not understanding my point and instead attaching unnecessary sentimental value to an awful movie!

I agree with Shark_Blade and JTH.

1. Pokemon was in 1998, get your facts straight.

2. How was he attaching unnecessary sentimental value to it? He just had it as an avatar when he joined. Yet you have a Digimon avatar which you're showing value to.

Netkeeper, this is a stupid topic to argue about. People have different tastes in things and you get butthurt all of a sudden.

[TurFlytle]

The 4kids series wasn't just a great TMNT cartoon, it was one of the best action cartoons of the 2000's.

Says the guy who only grew up with Ninja Turtles. :lol:

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Try and give me good episodes from Season 1-2 of 2k3 and I can counter it with Nick's. ;) :tcool: 2k12 > 2k3 ftw.

Things change > Rise of the Turtles Pt1 ;)

[Netkeeper]

I think somebody's unnecessarily being rude
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Don't forget to go pee-pee in the toilet and not in your pants. ;) Of course you can bring your furry plush doll with you too.
Oh good. You see, I'm very attached to my 2k3 Donatello plush.

Don't act like TMNT isn't a furry fandom. We're not above them in any way shape or form.

Pokemon was in 1998, get your facts straight.
But Digimon was 1999. Get your facts straight.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

But Digimon was 1999. Get your facts straight.

I thought I recognised your Avatar.

[Technogeek29]

Shark_Blade I seriously don't know your fixation on the 2k3 but it's really getting old. Even threads that don't mention 2k3 you feel the need to add how much you hate it, it's just as bad as your Timothy hate in 2k12 if I have to block you just so I don't have to hear you prattle on about what you hate for the millionth time I will.

[Tazi]

From the topic titled "New movie shocking fans by how good it is :-)":
Your blatant hatred is obvious.

Go take your repulsive attitude somewhere else.

Never mind the hypocrisy. ;)

[BubblyShell22]

Welcome to the boards, Nathan. I have to tell you that you won't be disappointed in the rest of 2K12. Granted, all opinions are subjective when it comes to episodes, but I've enjoyed what we have so far, so that's all I can tell you. And you won't be disappointed by Shredder at all. The only episode I consider my least favorite is "Invasion of the Squirrelanoids" but other than that, I like everything else.

[tmntpower1988]

Maybe they will be referenced much much years later in the future (or maybe never at all, which is fine imo), but for now I'm content that justice is done.

:roll:

Try and give me good episodes from Season 1-2 of 2k3 and I can counter it with Nick's. ;) :tcool: 2k12 > 2k3 ftw.

Shredder Strikes, Shredder Strikes Back, Return to New York, Rogue in the House, The Big Brawl, City at War, What a Croc, Notes from the Underground, The Search for Splinter, Secret Origins, Ultimate Ninja.

[pennydreadful]

This thread is getting awkward. C'mon y'all, hug it out.

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Don't make Gurgi sad.

[Metalhead 2.0]

This thread is getting awkward. C'mon y'all, hug it out.

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Don't make Gurgi sad.

I can remember a time when this used to be a happy thread, those days have long since passed...

[Zatoichi]

This thread is getting awkward. C'mon y'all, hug it out.

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Don't make Gurgi sad.

Come on guys! Don't make Panda sad!


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Back on Topic, glad you're liking the 2012 series. Let me tell that the best episodes are the ones that focus on Splinter, at least in my opinion those are the best ones.

[Metalhead 2.0]

Back on Topic, glad you're liking the 2012 series. Let me tell that the best episodes are the ones that focus on Splinter, at least in my opinion those are the best ones.

Splinter is so much more of a bad a$$ in this series than previous incarnations. I never really understood how he could resemble a feeble, old man yet teach them martial arts and hold his own in battle.

[ssjup81]

I have kind of a love-hate thing for Splinter in the Nick series. Even though he's awesome, he comes across as too aggressive at times for my tastes. I don't dislike him, though. It's weird.

[ssjup81]

Welcome to the boards, Nathan. I have to tell you that you won't be disappointed in the rest of 2K12. Granted, all opinions are subjective when it comes to episodes, but I've enjoyed what we have so far, so that's all I can tell you. And you won't be disappointed by Shredder at all. The only episode I consider my least favorite is "Invasion of the Squirrelanoids" but other than that, I like everything else.I actually really like that ep, despite how wrong it is. There's also that, "Game over" line by Mikey I liked and other references I picked up on.

There was also a line by Leo that originally confuse me my first time watching, "Be careful, it might be another trap"...but I figured it out. Ep was shown out of order.

[ssjup81]

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You even bothered to accent the E and still got it wrong! This ain't 1999 pal!


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I think somebody's not understanding my point and instead attaching unnecessary sentimental value to an awful movie!
Cute, Guilmon and Terriermon.

Anyway, it's that person's prerogative to use whatever avy he/she wants. If they want to use an avy from the 2k7 film, so be it. It's also subjective if you thought it was awful. You can't really state it as fact. I didn't care for it...I just recall being bored.

I personally feel that movie 3 is terrible (based on how I felt when it was originally out and the hype after waiting 2 years for a new film), but I do feel that the concept was great, but ended up having a lot of missed opportunity and poor execution. I can say, I don't like the film, but I can't knock anyone if they do, like you technically did here.

[Netkeeper]

Cute, Guilmon and Terriermon.

Anyway, it's that person's prerogative to use whatever avy he/she wants. If they want to use an avy from the 2k7 film, so be it. It's also subjective if you thought it was awful. You can't really state it as fact. I didn't care for it...I just recall being bored.

I personally feel that movie 3 is terrible (based on how I felt when it was originally out and the hype after waiting 2 years for a new film), but I do feel that the concept was great, but ended up having a lot of missed opportunity and poor execution. I can say, I don't like the film, but I can't knock anyone if they do, like you technically did here.
Well yeah, movie 3 was terrible. But that's just about universally agreed upon within the fandom, while Leo and Raph fans usually love the 2007 movie while everyone else realises it's a boring, out of character, badly-written brotherly spat that didn't deserve more than 15 minutes of screen time in ANY of the television shows, much less a theatrical release.

[CyberCubed]

Movie 3 is prefered over movie 2 by a lot of people.

[Netkeeper]

Not anybody I've ever met.

[ssjup81]

Not anybody I've ever met.Check the threads in the movie section. Some really do enjoy movie 3.

[Electric]

Well yeah, movie 3 was terrible. But that's just about universally agreed upon within the fandom, while Leo and Raph fans usually love the 2007 movie while everyone else realises it's a boring, out of character, badly-written brotherly spat that didn't deserve more than 15 minutes of screen time in ANY of the television shows, much less a theatrical release.

ouch. stating your opinion as fact.

i, a complete donnie fan up until 2012's leo, enjoyed the 2007 movie. i did not think it was boring, it wasnt a great piece of writing, but i didnt think it was bad, and i enjoyed every minute of it, inluding the leo/raph fighting. i really liked how it showed what each turtle turned to when leo was gone, and thought each character was spot on, plus the foot soldier designs are still my favorite to this day.

so, watch declaring your personal views as facts. youre turning into cybercubed

[Netkeeper]

i, a complete donnie fan up until 2012's leo, enjoyed the 2007 movie. i did not think it was boring, it wasnt a great piece of writing, but i didnt think it was bad, and i enjoyed every minute of it, inluding the leo/raph fighting. i really liked how it showed what each turtle turned to when leo was gone, and thought each character was spot on, plus the foot soldier designs are still my favorite to this day.
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[Shark_Blade]

Shark_Blade I seriously don't know your fixation on the 2k3 but it's really getting old. Even threads that don't mention 2k3 you feel the need to add how much you hate it, it's just as bad as your Timothy hate in 2k12 if I have to block you just so I don't have to hear you prattle on about what you hate for the millionth time I will.I couldn't care less what you want to do or think. When you're not contributing to the thread/discussion, just be quiet then.

From the topic titled "New movie shocking fans by how good it is :-)":Never mind the hypocrisy. ;)
Yeah, I can see that.. :P My fanboy is showing, should practice more self restrain. I'll try to be better, I ask only for your patience.

Shredder Strikes, Shredder Strikes Back, Return to New York, Rogue in the House, The Big Brawl, City at War, What a Croc, Notes from the Underground, The Search for Splinter, Secret Origins, Ultimate Ninja.Nice. But I can just list "Slash and Destroy" and "Vengeance is Mine", and they both trumps all that imo.

This thread is getting awkward. C'mon y'all, hug it out.

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Don't make Gurgi sad.
Bring on the love. Sorry about that squabble OP, and welcome again. :)

[Technogeek29]

I couldn't care less what you want to do or think. When you're not contributing to the thread/discussion, just be quiet then.


Yeah, I can see that.. :P My fanboy is showing, should practice more self restrain. I'll try to be better, I ask only for your patience.

Nice. But I can just list "Slash and Destroy" and "Vengeance is Mine", and they both trumps all that imo.


Bring on the love. Sorry about that squabble OP, and welcome again. :)

Sigh so not awnsering the question then? Whatever don't care enough.

And to the OP if I were to choose an episode I say skip most of the early season 2 episodes the later one's are much more superior. (IMHO)

[IndigoErth]

Goodness... Waiting for the movie is like being a bunch of 5-year-olds waiting for Christmas, but were that the case we'd all be getting coal. :roll:

Thanks for the welcome guys :)

I gave the 2003 series a good go, I watched the first Series and half of the second but it just wasn't for me. I also disliked Turtles Forever based on the fact that the writers seem to become arrogant when it came to judging their own work against others. But hey, that's for a different discussion, right? :tgrin:
2003 is one I haven't watched yet. In the process of rewatching the original series, figure I'll watch it after that one, but not quite holding my breath on it... I shall see.

Agree on Turtles Forever. A little of that right in the beginning, fine, but the 'older' guys regarded as they were, like ridiculous children to be tolerated, throughout pretty much the whole thing...little excessive.

[pennydreadful]

Goodness... Waiting for the movie is like being a bunch of 5-year-olds waiting for Christmas, but were that the case we'd all be getting coal. :roll:

Tell me about it; I hope to hell it calms down a bit after August 8 - I'm beyond sick of the bickering and the ridiculous behavior.

[Leo656]

Yep. And the sequel, gawd. :roll: Gonna be the same exact thing, but worse, because firm camps will have already been established between people who have accepted and embrace the movie universe, and those who hate it and are waiting impatiently for a reboot, and everyone is just gonna dig in even deeper. And it'll be just a ton more "You're a hater" vs. "You're just easily amused" back-and-forth for 18 months. Not at all looking forward to it. The internet has completely murdered objectivity. You think it's toxic right now? Two years, my friend, give it two years.

By the way, Hi Nathan. I'm bad at welcomes. Nothin' personal, pal.

[pennydreadful]

If there's a sequel, I swear I'm going to need to up my dose or get a Valium prescription or something. Another 18 month stint of forum arguments about the same. damn. things. over and over, ad nauseum, will turn me into a dribbling mess. :lol: Dunno how in the heck you long-timers have coped!

[Leo656]

Me? Sometimes I pretend homeless people are CyberCubed and I burn them.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

What was this thread about again?:lol:

[Lightjump]

What was this thread about again?:lol:

It doesn't really matter what it was about, it's turned into what every thread eventually devolves into, us yelling at CC and then trying to get back to the main point of the thread. :)

But glad to hear some more people getting on the turtle wagon (like a band wagon, but with turtles) with the new nick series

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

But glad to hear some more people getting on the turtle wagon (like a band wagon, but with turtles) with the new nick series

I'm in that Position where I'm ready to jump off if the series goes the way I don't want it to.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The 4kids series wasn't just a great TMNT cartoon, it was one of the best action cartoons of the 2000's. Its amazing how good the show was when you think back to it. The show gets a little less memorable in its last two seasons but other than that it was one of the best shows ever made.

Especially coming from a company like 4Kids.

[IndigoErth]

Yep. And the sequel, gawd. :roll: Gonna be the same exact thing, but worse, because firm camps will have already been established between people who have accepted and embrace the movie universe, and those who hate it and are waiting impatiently for a reboot, and everyone is just gonna dig in even deeper.
I have a vague hope that maybe many will fall into the middle ground with this thing after the 8th and settle down. That maybe it wasn't quite the extreme euphoric experience some were expecting while also better than others expected. But maybe I'm putting too much confidence in people.


Really, Nick, you aren't helping matters by holding off on the final episodes and making fans go cold turkey. :P

[BubblyShell22]

Well, to be fair, I do want the movie to prove me wrong, but the more I see of it, the more I get bad vibes, and that's not a good thing for me. But as I've said, I'll give it one chance and see where it goes. I do think it would have been great for Nick to give us the episodes this month and finish off the season in August to coincide with the movie and to give people a chance to check out the show. Alas, that's not what's happening, and maybe it's because Nick wants the movie and show to stay separate and wants to let the movie premiere on its own and then air the eps in September so as not to conflict with the movie or something.

I still say it would be awesome if they ended season 2 and went straight into season 3.

[Metalwolf]

I'm in that Position where I'm ready to jump off if the series goes the way I don't want it to.What way is it going that is not satisfactory? Just curious. 8)

I think the only thing that I don't care for about it is that they aren't giving the secondary villains stronger roles. Mostly it's been Shredder and Karai, with a kinda-sorta dash of Tigerclaw.

The movie I think will be alright, although I'm not expecting it to be Oscar-worthy. ;)

[pennydreadful]

I have a vague hope that maybe many will fall into the middle ground with this thing after the 8th and settle down. That maybe it wasn't quite the extreme euphoric experience some were expecting while also better than others expected. But maybe I'm putting too much confidence in people.

Well, to be fair, I do want the movie to prove me wrong, but the more I see of it, the more I get bad vibes, and that's not a good thing for me. But as I've said, I'll give it one chance and see where it goes.

Yeah; I don't know what the hell's wrong with me - just when I think I've finally made up my mind that I'm better off not watching it, my brain starts waving a sliver of hope at me that maybe there'll be some Raph scenes in there that'll make it worthwhile. :lol:

Think I'll just hang in there til the initial release frenzy settles for a bit and make up my mind at a later date.

[CyberCubed]

I'm surprised so many of you never saw the 4kids series. The entire show is uploaded to youtube for free, so just type in the episode numbers (check a separate episode list to see the titles), and watch it there.

Nick doesn't remove 4kids episodes from youtube.

[ssjup81]

I'm surprised so many of you never saw the 4kids series. The entire show is uploaded to youtube for free, so just type in the episode numbers (check a separate episode list to see the titles), and watch it there.

Nick doesn't remove 4kids episodes from youtube.For my situation, it just couldn't bring me in or hook me. After two or three eps of the Nick series I was hooked. Unfortunately, not for the 2k3 series.

[TurFlytle]

I'm surprised so many of you never saw the 4kids series.

You act like everbody on this forum watched every single Ninja Turtle series.

[Metalwolf]

I'm surprised so many of you never saw the 4kids series. I tried watching some of it it when it was still on the air, but I lost interest once I learned Shredder was an Utrom.

[CyberCubed]

I tried watching some of it it when it was still on the air, but I lost interest once I learned Shredder was an Utrom.

Does that really matter? You hardly ever see Utrom Shredder during his tenure and for all of Season 3 you see Oroku Saki outside of his armor.

The 4kids series is fantastic. Everytime I rewatch it, it surprises me we actually had a Turtle cartoon that was that good.

[Warhorse]

Well, to be fair, I do want the movie to prove me wrong, but the more I see of it, the more I get bad vibes, and that's not a good thing for me. But as I've said, I'll give it one chance and see where it goes. I do think it would have been great for Nick to give us the episodes this month and finish off the season in August to coincide with the movie and to give people a chance to check out the show. Alas, that's not what's happening, and maybe it's because Nick wants the movie and show to stay separate and wants to let the movie premiere on its own and then air the eps in September so as not to conflict with the movie or something.

I still say it would be awesome if they ended season 2 and went straight into season 3.

You know what, for us Turtle fans, if they do show that Leo one shot after the movie has been released and the hype dies down, there is a strong possibility that the Leo one shot is going to upstage anything that the new movie is going to have.

What way is it going that is not satisfactory? Just curious. 8)

I think the only thing that I don't care for about it is that they aren't giving the secondary villains stronger roles. Mostly it's been Shredder and Karai, with a kinda-sorta dash of Tigerclaw.

The movie I think will be alright, although I'm not expecting it to be Oscar-worthy. ;)

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm just starting to get a little bit sick of the Donny and friends show. The 2k3 was just as guilty, but that was the Leo and friends show, and well, it shouldn't be any one Turtle focused at all times, but it should be a team.

[Metalwolf]

Does that really matter? You hardly ever see Utrom Shredder during his tenure and for all of Season 3 you see Oroku Saki outside of his armor.

I think for me I just don't like the idea of him not being human. Whenever I see him in his Utrom 'form' I can't help but think of an ugly little inflamed lump with tentacles, that would have been easily dispatched if someone just had the temerity to squish him.


I can't speak for everyone, but I'm just starting to get a little bit sick of the Donny and friends show. The 2k3 was just as guilty, but that was the Leo and friends show, and well, it shouldn't be any one Turtle focused at all times, but it should be a team.Ah, I see your point. I can't help but wonder if a particular Turtle gets focused more on due to whatever theme or feel that the show is going for. I'd only seen a few episodes, but I wonder if 2k3 focused on Leo because the show was meant to be more epic in scale, and this show focuses on Donnie now because the show is narrowed down to more teenaged stuff. And his crush being the most dramatic teenaged stuff in it, he naturally gets more attention.

[Warhorse]

I think for me I just don't like the idea of him not being human. Whenever I see him in his Utrom 'form' I can't help but think of an ugly little inflamed lump with tentacles, that would have been easily dispatched if someone just had the temerity to squish him.

Ah, I see your point. I can't help but wonder if a particular Turtle gets focused more on due to whatever theme or feel that the show is going for. I'd only seen a few episodes, but I wonder if 2k3 focused on Leo because the show was meant to be more epic in scale, and this show focuses on Donnie now because the show is narrowed down to more teenaged stuff. And his crush being the most dramatic teenaged stuff in it, he naturally gets more attention.

I think it just comes down to who ever is in charge of production, if that particular Turtle is their favorite, it's going to show. I don't know who was in charge of the 2k3 toon, but Ciro I believe has gone on record as saying Donny is his favorite. In the 2007 movie, the director let everyone know Raph was his favorite, and it showed. As much as I love Raph, I too think they need to focus on all of the Turtles.

Then there is something else. In nearly all of the incarnations, we hardly have pair ups that are just Donny and Raph, and then Leo and Mikey, and this is something I hope gets addressed. Mikey is either paired up with Raph or Donny, Raph is either paired up with Mikey or Leo, Leo is either paired up with Raph or Donny, and Donny is paired up with Leo or Mikey.

And then there is April, who is almost exclusively with Donny.

[Electric]

I think it just comes down to who ever is in charge of production, if that particular Turtle is their favorite, it's going to show. I don't know who was in charge of the 2k3 toon, but Ciro I believe has gone on record as saying Donny is his favorite. In the 2007 movie, the director let everyone know Raph was his favorite, and it showed. As much as I love Raph, I too think they need to focus on all of the Turtles.

Then there is something else. In nearly all of the incarnations, we hardly have pair ups that are just Donny and Raph, and then Leo and Mikey, and this is something I hope gets addressed. Mikey is either paired up with Raph or Donny, Raph is either paired up with Mikey or Leo, Leo is either paired up with Raph or Donny, and Donny is paired up with Leo or Mikey.

And then there is April, who is almost exclusively with Donny.

Tying this into the other discussion about 2k3 in this thread, there was an episode in the 2k3 series's that had raph and Donnie together, and from what I remember, it was a good episode because of that. I too hope the nick series pairs them up at some point, because when there's Leo/raph, Leo/Donnie, leis calling the shots, raph/Mikey, Raphs in charge, and Donnie/Mikey, Donnie's in charge. Raph/Donnie to me would be about even, Neither would listen to the other, raph because he doesn't like orders, and Donnie because he thinks he knows better.

[ssjup81]

I agree that it would be nice for the four to be mixed up more. As much as I love seeing Leo/Donnie Raph/Mikey, it would be nice to see more Leo/Mikey Donnie/Raph. Panic in the Sewers was interesting, but felt more like a plot convenience than anything else. Seems it would've made more sense for it to have been Leo and Donnie (since he could've maybe thought of a way to deal with the chemical) or Leo & Raph (he's the strongest fighter so he could've fought Dogpound). Leo & Mikey was too much of a plot convenience.

Donnie and Raph would be really interesting since Donnie is open over what he thinks of Raph intelligence wise... Maybe like the all brawn and no brain type.

[nathanbofficial]

Thanks for the welcomes from people :)

In regards to the 2003 series, I just want to say that I know a lot of people loved it and that's awesome. But I've watched numerous episodes and even more recently to see if tries and shifts any sort of opinion on youtube. I can't quite put my finger on what it was but I just feel that the show was missing the special 'something' that made TMNT what it was. I put it in the same category as the 2007 movie, I feel like they claimed to be part of the TMNT universe but it didn't grab me like other series have and as I said previously when I saw Turtles Forever and how they treated the '87 cartoon it more or less confirmed my doubts about the show because there was no need for that. I know the 87 cartoon was goofy at times, but I still thought they had pretty decent battles and even though people keep claiming The Shredder was an idiot he did come up with some pretty good plans and I understand why the Turtles considered him a threat. Utrom Shredder was something that when I read, I wasn't sure if it was real or not because they basically just merged Krang and Shredder from the 87 series. But like I said, it's each to one's own.

[Prowler]

I tried watching some of it it when it was still on the air, but I lost interest once I learned Shredder was an Utrom.
It was a bit difficult for me to accept it at first due to the disappointment of it being an alien controlling an exosuit all along instead of a skilled martial artist, but I've learnt to enjoy it for what it is. Although I did prefer Shredder before it was revealed that he was a Utrom since there was still some mysterious aura around him.

[tmntpower1988]

It was a bit difficult for me to accept it at first due to the disappointment of it being an alien controlling an exosuit all along instead of a skilled martial artist, but I've learnt to enjoy it for what it is. Although I did prefer Shredder before it was revealed that he was a Utrom since there was still some mysterious aura around him.

Yeah it kind of bothers me that the main Shredder was an Utrom. At least in season 5 we got to see the real human Oroku Saki. When he was fighting the Shredder Tengu it was satisfying to know that it wasn't an Utrom in a robot body doing those attacks but a skilled warrior.

[THGhost]

Welcome to the forums! I'm 22 as well and love the Nick series!

DID I MISS SOMETHING

i dont know i skimmed it for the letters 2003 i am dRUNK

"2003" are numbers. Just saying. :P

The best bet of being a TMNT fan is having the ability to watch 3 shows.

Damn straight!

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You even bothered to accent the E and still got it wrong! This ain't 1999 pal!

So your avatar is from... Digimon? I have no idea. :lol:

Yeah it kind of bothers me that the main Shredder was an Utrom.

You should really put that kind of stuff into spoiler tags...

[BubblyShell22]

Warhorse, I agree with you about the Leo one shot. That'll definitely upstage the movie for sure.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Yes they were very arrogant and belittled the OT turtles like incompetent fools. But verily, karma bit their asses back. Now 2k3 turtles are never mentioned and treated as it has never existed by Nickelodeon. It's all references to OT (fly baxter, bebop and rocksteady, mutagen man, etc)and the movies (e.g. "Go ninja go", Rahzar, to name a few), never 2k3.

Maybe they will be referenced much much years later in the future (or maybe never at all, which is fine imo), but for now I'm content that justice is done.

Well done, you have become alliance mark 2:roll::trolleye:

[nathanbofficial]

A new update...

Now up to Episode 14 and to continue from my first post, I'm still as hooked as ever to this series :). You guys were right, The Shredder & The Turtles meeting did not disappoint at all.

Thing is I was surprised at the references during Episode 9 actually, because did anyone else find that the Shredder's first encounter with the turtles was very similar to the 1990 movie version? Even his speech at the start with the "you fight well..." and then he dropped to the ground where they were. Also the fact that he out-matched all of them and in the end he had Leo left with an easy opportunity to kill him. Was very similar to how it happened in the movie and I love that, it's made me love the show even more because it's very clever how you can see they've taken aspects from the original 80's cartoon, mixed it with the movie, comics and even the 2003 series and made it what it is. Brilliant! I'm loving how they've used the Kraang as well, I just don't know what they're actually up to, but I'm hoping it comes out this series haha :)

The biggest surprise actually has been the Rat King, I don't know how everyone else feels about him, but I think this is by far the best version of him we've seen yet. Out of all the villains the turtles have faced in this series he's definitely the most intimidating, visually speaking that is. I'm surprised they were even allowed to have him looking like that on the show because I know if I was a kid I'd find him pretty unsettling. I've never been that fond of the Rat King in other versions, but he's probably my 2nd favourite villain and I've only see him for one episode. Shame my friend told me he's only around for another episode, they should make more use of him.

My only issue is that I wish we saw more of what New York was doing at times, it's great how they focus on the Turtles and their battles, but I think with April being a teen and not a reporter we don't see much of the 'outside world'. I'd love to see the city's reaction to the foot clan arriving in town and the whole speculation with the turtles, but I feel the odd news report just isn't enough. But still, that's my only issue with the show so far.

Enjoying it so much, if the next episodes of this season carry on being so good it could well overtake the '87 series for me and considering nostalgia is clouding my judgement, I'd say it makes this series pretty amazing 8)

[ssjup81]

Wow, you're right. That was like the first movie (Shredder's first encounter with the turtles). Nice catch. Isn't this Shredder chilling and intimidating? I also feel he's not mentally stable..or just delusional, but you'll see why I personally feel this way later on.

Gauntlet was a very good episode. One part I liked was when Donnie diffused the bomb and then took off all extra happy. He got a hit in on Bradford (I think) and then kept going and helped Raph fight Xever (or either it was the other way around). I just found it interesting that he did that.

Now Rat King, despite his look, I like him. It's nice that he has an actual origin story, unlike the 1987 series (I can't say for 2k3, as I never watched it because I couldn't get into it). Rat King wanting Splinter on his side makes a heck of a lot more sense, imo, compared to the OT series. There, to me anyway, it came across as if Rat King just wanted Splinter for the heck of it. You know, "OMG GIANT RAT. LOVE!!!" For the 2k12 version, he wants to take over everything and want Splinter to help him because they're "one in the same" so to speak. In other words, I like the fact that his motives are more clear compared to the OT and we know how he became a recluse and how he came to live with rats.

It is a shame that he's only been in two eps so far. Hopefully, he'll return for season 3.

Oh as to what you said about the "outside world", yeah, I kind of agree. Personally, I wish the series had more people in it. NYC is the city that never sleeps. It's too quiet and desolate most times...but I think that's due to the limitations of having a full CG-animated show. There really should be more people around or at least more people encountering the turtles or seeing the Foot, as you said, or something.

Well, I hope you continue to enjoy the series. Seems we're both the same in this regard. I only started this series about a couple months before you and was hooked after ep 3. lol

[nathanbofficial]

@ssjup81 I know as soon as I saw it I got the 1990 movie reference straight away, it just made me love 2012 Shredder even more :)

I think a more busy new york can be done, because they seemed to do well with the last episode when the Technodrome came to earth, it was packed with humans in the city.

On that note, I've finished Season 1! :o
Have to say it blew me away...completely! It blows all the other TMNT series out the window in my opinion. It has to be one of the best first seasons to a cartoon in a long time hasn't it? Even though I'm saying cartoon, I have to say I've been quite surprised at how 'grown up' this series is, maybe it's because I'm pinning it next to the '87 toon, but I think even as a stand alone series, some of the dialogue and the plots are quite mature even though it's aimed at kids.

You guys were right, I wasn't let down on the whole Splinter/Shredder stuff. The confrontation at the end was amazing!! And the big reveal with Karai was also a fantastic twist in the plot, even though I slightly suspected it. I felt it was a big moment for Splinter as a character as he hadn't stepped out of the sewers since becoming a rat, so I hope they develop on this in S2 and don't keep him by that tree all the time. He kind of reminds me Dumbledore from the HP movies, moody and irritable, doesn't really do much until it's absolutely needed. I do hope The Shredder's plot goes on more in S2 although as much as I love him as a character, I hope he gets defeated soon because I didn't want too much Shredder. I feel like the character shouldn't hog too much screen time like the '87 version did. But just enough is enough, he should have a huge, evil plot in S2 or S3 and hopefully he'll be defeated and we won't see him for a bit. Again, Shredder's my fav, but I know when too much will be too much.

The Kraang storyline was also amazing and the introduction of the Technodrome had me sat on the edge of my seat like :o all way through the last 2 episodes. Although I do know they return in S2 and I think that's a mistake, but I'll get to that later. I liked how they needed April for their plan to work, it was a nice twist.

I do think that whilst I enjoyed the Kraang storyline, I hope they don't hog S2 as well because I liked the idea of them being the Turtles first big defeat and that being it. I didn't want to have the same continuing plot throughout two seasons, I was hoping S2 would focus entirely on The Shredder, or maybe introduce a new villain or something. But I've already heard the Kraang return so whatever.

Characters I'm loving: Obviously the Shredder; but I also LOVE this version of Karai, I find her so likeable compared to the other versions I've seen. I agree with Leo from the earlier episodes, you can see there's good in her compared to the other Foot members. I really hope she realises that The Shredder manipulated her soon. Leatherhead needs to return! He's amazing in this version, I like him being on the Turtles side instead of being a villain, it works so well and I think the writers need a pat on the back for that.

Over all, I will be continuing through S2 and I hope I enjoy it as much as the first season :D

[Shark_Blade]

Yay we got a new fan everybody!

Glad you're enjoying the show. :D

[nathanbofficial]

Yay we got a new fan everybody!

Glad you're enjoying the show. :D

Hehe thank you :) I'm so addicted I just hope S2 and eventually when S3 airs it will keep up with the same quality :)

[Netkeeper]

"2003" are numbers. Just saying. :P
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I say some stupid **** when I'm drunk sometimes. :lol:

So your avatar is from... Digimon? I have no idea. :lol:
So's my signature. Artwork I did myself of two (http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Labramon) Digimon (http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Huckmon).

[tmntpower1988]

The thing that really annoys me about Nick Shredder is his obsession with Splinter, wish he'd shut up about him ffs Also when he blames others for his actions. What a douchebag.

[Electric]

Nathan

Glad you liked season 1! and I think you'll love season 2 as well

As far as shredder, this isn't really spoilery, he's not in it for a little during the early part of the season. He's out of the city for a little, but you see him a couple of times, and he communicates with Karai occasionally.

But when he gets back, it's fantastic. You will love it I garuntee, so just have some patience as far as him.

With rat king, all I'll say is you're right on the money with being surprised nick allowed him. Just wait Til he shows up again.

And finally, I am also a huge fan of this Karai. She's portrayed incredibly, and starts to get some more screen time in season 2

[Ninturtle]

Hahhahaha NO. Nick is better if we're comparing Season 1-2 of both series. ;) :tcool:

Not really Nick is great but season 2 has so many failed jokes and its humor is kiddish at times season 2 of 2003 is more serious like the original tmnt and is alot better season 2 of this show improved unlike nicks ecen though season 2 has a few great episodes

[BubblyShell22]

Well, I think the last two eps of season 2 are going to be very serious, so I can't wait for that. In any case, I'm glad you're enjoying the series, Nathan. It's nice to have someone else who appreciates it as much as we do.

[Ninturtle]

Well, I think the last two eps of season 2 are going to be very serious, so I can't wait for that. In any case, I'm glad you're enjoying the series, Nathan. It's nice to have someone else who appreciates it as much as we do.

Let's just hope there's no filler episode s in the last 4 episodes of season 2