Is Raph the main hero? ***Movie Spoilers obviously***

[Spidergreg]

Eventhough Leo is the leader but they made Leo the weakest in the movie.

Leo was the first to be captured. Leo was always in trouble and hurt and the others gotta go save him (example, during the snow chase scene).

Raph on the other hand, is the only turtle not to be captured.
Has to go save the other turtles.
More screen time with Vern + April during the rescue.
Raph delivered the finishing blow to Shredder in buck buck.

and finally, Raph is the only turtle to get a Turtle in Disguise figure.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Z9IYRiJwL._SY300_.jpg

thoughts?

[oldmanwinters]

"Raphael--he's the leader of the group..."
-Partners in Kryme (1990)

[Coola Yagami]

I just remembered!!! That whole bit with Raph being in the trenchcoat was never in the movie!!!

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

April is the real hero of the movie.

[Midnight Mutant]

I think this was going to heavily be a Raph based movie originally. I think due to the re-writes and time, it's a lot less of a Raph based movie than I thought it would be. That's probably why he seems to have more focus.

However, I think it's more of an April movie than a Raph movie. Either it was that way originally, focused around Raph and April working together to get his brothers back or it was a last minute panic move to put a celeb name front and center for a success back up plan.

[ryukenden]

Raph didn't exactly have as much screen time as he did in the 1990 and the '07 movie. The Turtles actually spent more time together than independently. April was the one with the most screen time.

[Werecat]

Actually I doubt this is a Raph movie.
-The captured turtles saved themselves with the help of April.
-Leo saved April and Vern.

Raph didn't really contribute that much through out the film. Nor did Raph get more film time then the other turtles. Leo got an adequate amount of film time. Most of the film just focused on April.

[Coola Yagami]

Yep... just go right ahead and ignore my post everybody.

[Spidergreg]

Actually I doubt this is a Raph movie.
-The captured turtles saved themselves with the help of April.
-Leo saved April and Vern.

Raph didn't really contribute that much through out the film. Nor did Raph get more film time then the other turtles. Leo got an adequate amount of film time. Most of the film just focused on April.

Because Raph was busy battling Shredder man to man.
OF COURSE Raph was never meant to beat Shredder, 'cos if he did, he would be the most powerful character and the movie would be broken.

Yep... just go right ahead and ignore my post everybody.

Must have been edited out.

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[Werecat]

Because Raph was busy battling Shredder man to man.
OF COURSE Raph was never meant to beat Shredder, 'cos if he did, he would be the most powerful character and the movie would be broken.

That doesn't get rid of the fact that Raphael didn't contribute at all in this movie besides Kicking Shredder in the face. The only ones who contributed was April, Vern, Leo, and Donny. It is not really a Raph movie because he contributed so little.

[IndigoErth]

Well, in his defense Raph did at least pull Splinter out of the rubble and take him to a safe room to wait for them to return. After April couldn't move a chunk of concrete that did not look like it should have really been too heavy to move at least enough.

[Werecat]

Well, in his defense Raph did at least pull Splinter out of the rubble and take him to a safe room to wait for them to return. After April couldn't move a chunk of concrete that did not look like it should have really been too heavy to move at least enough.
Seriously. Raph has only two motives to exist in the movie; to pull rubble off Splinter and kick Shredder in the face. This is...
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[Spidergreg]

Seriously. Raph has only two motives to exist in the movie; to pull rubble off Splinter and kick Shredder in the face. This is...

You conveniently left out the fact that he rescued his brothers.
Whether or not he did it himself personally, doesn't change the fact his presence there allowed the other turtles to escape 'cos everyone knows april and vern alone won't be able to save the turtles otherwise, especially with Shredder being there.

[Shark_Blade]

The main hero is Vernon.

If it wasn't for him, April won't be able to get the mutagen, and without the mutagen she wouldn't have lured the Shredder away from the boys during the breakdown of the tower (they could've been killed even).

[Hawkeye]

The only reason Raph wasn't captured was because he was defeated when the other Turtles weren't.

Mikey seemed to get the most love, with Donnie and Raph next. Leo was under utilized.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

It's nice that this version of raph had a more stealthier disguise. Unlike the 1990 movie version.

[Spidergreg]

The main hero is Vernon.

If it wasn't for him, April won't be able to get the mutagen, and without the mutagen she wouldn't have lured the Shredder away from the boys during the breakdown of the tower (they could've been killed even).

Who is vernon?

[Shark_Blade]

This guy. (http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Will_Arnett_as_Vernon_Fenwick.jpg)

Aka Vern Fenwick. ;)

[Spidergreg]

This guy. (http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Will_Arnett_as_Vernon_Fenwick.jpg)

Aka Vern Fenwick. ;)

That's Vern.
Not once did they call him Vernon.

[Coola Yagami]

Nickname maybe? But yeah. That was supposed to be Vernon.

[Shark_Blade]

Ditto. He's still Vernon. ;)

[Spidergreg]

Nickname maybe? But yeah. That was supposed to be Vernon.

Ditto. He's still Vernon. ;)

Nope, he's Vern.
That would be like calling Raph, Ralph.

Don't assume just 'cos of past incarnations.
So, are you gonna call whoopi goldberg "Burne Thompson" too?

[Mellie]

To me Raph felt like the main turtle in this movie. It also seemed like a bunch of character development scenes were missing. Meh.

[Coola Yagami]

Nope, he's Vern.
That would be like calling Raph, Ralph.

Don't assume just 'cos of past incarnations.
So, are you gonna call whoopi goldberg "Burne Thompson" too?

Sadly... we kinda have to....

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

To me vern is short form for vernon, he may not be called vernon in the movie but we know who he's suppose to be based off of.

[Shark_Blade]

Yep, he's still Vernon.Nope, he's Vern.
That would be like calling Raph, Ralph.

Don't assume just 'cos of past incarnations.
So, are you gonna call whoopi goldberg "Burne Thompson" too? What's the fuss. Many places (http://screenrant.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-movie-reboot-will-arnett-character/) call him Vernon too. Even the first lists on google (https://www.google.com.my/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=vern%20fenwick) have him as Vernon.

I could call Whoopi as Mrs Burne. And no one ever calls Raph as Ralph.

[Spidergreg]

To me vern is short form for vernon, he may not be called vernon in the movie but we know who he's suppose to be based off of.

Not really.
I see no resemblance other than the name.

No pink shirt, not a sissy and a wuss and also hits on April???
Not the vernon that i know of.

[Mona_Lisa]

Yep, he's still Vernon. What's the fuss. Many places (http://screenrant.com/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-movie-reboot-will-arnett-character/) call him Vernon too. Even the first lists on google (https://www.google.com.my/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=vern%20fenwick) have him as Vernon.

I could call Whoopi as Mrs Burne. And no one ever calls Raph as Ralph.

Unless they over use spell check:D

Back on topic, He is Vernon. but they have changed his character to be less annoying!
To me Raph felt like the main turtle in this movie. It also seemed like a bunch of character development scenes were missing. Meh.
I totally agree, I was kinda bummed about this too...

Not really.
I see no resemblance other than the name.

No pink shirt, not a sissy and a wuss and also hits on April???
Not the vernon that i know of.
In some of the cartoon episodes Vernon totally does hit on April. Is it Donatello's degree where he asks for a kiss????

[Shark_Blade]

In some of the cartoon episodes Vernon totally does hit on April. Is it Donatello's degree where he asks for a kiss????OMGosh which episode is this? :o

[Spidergreg]

Are you serious? I was starting to think he's ghey.

[Coola Yagami]

How can you handwave all the other ka-zillion changes to the Turtles, Splinter and Shredder.... and not see they did the same to Vernon?

[Spidergreg]

How can you handwave all the other ka-zillion changes to the Turtles, Splinter and Shredder.... and not see they did the same to Vernon?

what changes did they do the turtles exactly?
So they changed the origin but the turtles are still the turtles.

Leo is still the leader,
Raph is still always angry,
Mike is still the party dood,
and Don still does machine.

[Coola Yagami]

what changes did they do the turtles exactly?
So they changed the origin but the turtles are still the turtles.

Leo is still the leader,
Raph is still always angry,
Mike is still the party dood,
and Don still does machine.


Their messed up origin, them being strong enough to knock trailers around like nothing, their needlessly tacked-on outfits. As for their.... uh.... personalities?


Leo is kinda/sorta bossy
Raph is cranky for whatever reason threatens to leave... for whatever reason...
Mikey is pervy
Don is pretty much the same just nerdy to the super extreme

Honestly, we barely knew these guys. A lot of it was mostly left for the fans to 'fill in the blanks' based on previous incarnations. The problem is... this isn't a sequel. This is a whole new movie. This movie seriously needed a bit of downtime to better establish everyone. Not enough to drag the movie down, but just enough to make us actually care about these guys, and not just because 'OMG I WATCHED THIS WHEN I WAS A KID'.

[Spidergreg]

In some of the cartoon episodes Vernon totally does hit on April. Is it Donatello's degree where he asks for a kiss????

This is not true.
Vernon doesn't even like April.
He'd say things like "I'm gonna get a new scoop before she does" etc.

[pennydreadful]

Are you serious? I was starting to think he's ghey.

So what if he was? There's nothing wrong with being gay. Or a sissy.

[Spidergreg]

So what if he was? There's nothing wrong with being gay. Or a sissy.

Who said there's anything wrong with it?
I'm just saying i can't see Vernon in Vern.
Even his name is not the same.

[IndigoErth]

I think in movies the words "loosely based on" applies there. Vern/Vernon aren't exactly names that typically show up in movies, so kind of obvious where it came from in regards to TMNT.

Besides, I think in that Nick behind the scenes special on tv they (rather inarticulately) included his character when mentioning "fan favorites," implying it's a character we are (roughly...) familiar with.

[Candy Kappa]

Who said there's anything wrong with it?
I'm just saying i can't see Vernon in Vern.
Even his name is not the same.

Isn't it?

http://i.imgur.com/D8y8ehI.jpg

Vernon Fenwick is his name in the movie, just as it is in the Fred Wolf cartoon.

[Shark_Blade]

Isn't it?

http://i.imgur.com/D8y8ehI.jpg

Vernon Fenwick is his name in the movie, just as it is in the Fred Wolf cartoon.
Ooooh

SNAP

SNAP

SNAP

BURN

Evidence on the table people!

[Spidergreg]

Why are you guys so surprised?
Of course it is Vernon.

What i meant was....
until it is confirmed by the movie, we shouldn't speculate.
Everyone knew he "could be" Vernon, but the movie never confirmed it.

Just like Karai was in the movie, but does that automatically make her Splinter's daughter?? No !!! 'cos Splinter was never human in the movie.

[Candy Kappa]

It was confirmed a long time ago during early filming, as that picture have been shown before on the forums.

[Spidergreg]

Everyone calls him Vern except you guys....
so forgive me, if you don't get my sarcasm.

[Candy Kappa]

Who is vernon?

That's Vern.
Not once did they call him Vernon.

Nope, he's Vern.
That would be like calling Raph, Ralph.

Don't assume just 'cos of past incarnations.
So, are you gonna call whoopi goldberg "Burne Thompson" too?

Not really.
I see no resemblance other than the name.

No pink shirt, not a sissy and a wuss and also hits on April???
Not the vernon that i know of.

Who said there's anything wrong with it?
I'm just saying i can't see Vernon in Vern.
Even his name is not the same.

Everyone calls him Vern except you guys....
so forgive me, if you don't get my sarcasm.

Sarcasm? yeah right. :roll:

[Spidergreg]

The main hero is Vernon.

If it wasn't for him, April won't be able to get the mutagen, and without the mutagen she wouldn't have lured the Shredder away from the boys during the breakdown of the tower (they could've been killed even).

Who is vernon?

THIS is sarcasm.

[Candy Kappa]

Okay, whatever.

[Midnight Mutant]

Damn. A whole page of debating on whether Vern was Vernon? I thought that was confirmed a LONG time ago. They just obviously took creative liberty with him, which I knew they would given the actor they chose to play him.

[pennydreadful]

I cannot believe there's an argument about this. I mean, I can, but... damn. *shakes head in disbelief*

[IndigoErth]

Not really anything important to be right or wrong on really.. It's just Vernon/"Vern," at least he was a better version. :) Ok, moving along...

Seems Raph is prob meant to be the central Turtle in this story, though I guess them cutting out that disguised bit with the added focus on him and April seems to have taken that away.

[Anton Chigurh]

I cannot believe there's an argument about this. I mean, I can, but... damn. *shakes head in disbelief*

hahahah I know, right?

[Mona_Lisa]

In some of the cartoon episodes Vernon totally does hit on April. Is it Donatello's degree where he asks for a kiss????


This is not true.
Vernon doesn't even like April.
He'd say things like "I'm gonna get a new scoop before she does" etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfWmy9-8l4s
start video at 9 min. 30 seconds..... you can stop at 10 min 20 seconds:D

My memory was a little foggy but this is still VERNON flirting with April wanting
Mouth to mouth!!!! I didn't lie!!!!

On topic, Raph was awesome in this movie, but he was the ugliest Raph I've ever seen...
I have a question though. How did Raph get knocked out when his brothers was taken? I saw the movie once but the action was so fast no one I went with could answer this question for me!!!!

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

People think mikey is creepy, yet they seem to want to screw one of the turtles. I am talking about the tmnt fangirls. To me, what mikey said to april is nothing compared to the notion that they act like they want to screw one of them.

[pennydreadful]

The point that's being made is that unwanted sexual attention from somebody is unappealing. Just because some people want to sex the Turtles, doesn't mean that everybody everywhere wants to sex the Turtles - and therefore, context and respect for boundaries when hitting on someone is important. That's like saying "Well, some people want to bang me, so therefore every person should be ok with me hitting on them." No. Not how it works.

If April is definitely into Mikey in this movie, then him hitting on her isn't a big deal. If she's not displaying sexual or romantic interest in him, then I can understand why people would feel that the repeated come-ons are gross and creeptastic.

[IndigoErth]

How did Raph get knocked out when his brothers was taken? I saw the movie once but the action was so fast no one I went with could answer this question for me!!!!
I don't recall seeing it either, maybe it was lost inside explosions. Seems the ceiling, or whatever mass of concrete, fell on him though, since he was climbing out of it later.

[Warhorse]

The point that's being made is that unwanted sexual attention from somebody is unappealing. Just because some people want to sex the Turtles, doesn't mean that everybody everywhere wants to sex the Turtles - and therefore, context and respect for boundaries when hitting on someone is important. That's like saying "Well, some people want to bang me, so therefore every person should be ok with me hitting on them." No. Not how it works.

If April is definitely into Mikey in this movie, then him hitting on her isn't a big deal. If she's not displaying sexual or romantic interest in him, then I can understand why people would feel that the repeated come-ons are gross and creeptastic.

It's even weirder now, because he's supposed to be a teenager and April is a full grown woman. Hmmmmm. This is so not as cute as the Donny/April thing on Nick.

I don't recall seeing it either, maybe it was lost inside explosions. Seems the ceiling, or whatever mass of concrete, fell on him though, since he was climbing out of it later.

I bet, there was a more extended scene, that was cut, to get it under 100 mi

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Tmnt fans that are women who act like they want to have sex with one of the tmnt=creepy

Mikey saying creepy stuff to april=Lol, gtfo (Imo)

I found none of the stuff that he said to her creepy, I do not blame him cause I see her as a really good looking woman and would be saying the kind of stuff he said to her as a teenager, if I were him and had the courage to. :3
Why is it that things that are said are only creepy when a guy does it? If a girl does it everything is gravy and no one questions it cause they are blinded by the truth that is that all women aren't as good as they think they are, these people brush stuff under the rug when they show how corrupted and rotten they are. What some of us have to understand is that he is still learning and doesn't know much about female women, he isn't use to being around them in the flesh, this was his first time. Maybe he will use tact next time if she get's offended and if the scene or scenes call for it.

[Mellie]

I don't see a problem with it. April never looked disgusted at what Mikey said (that I remember anyways). I don't even think he's serious.. if April was like "ayyy ok turtle boi, let's do this :tcool:" I don't think he'd follow through. He's just a jokester that knows nothing about humans.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Another thing is that april didn't care, had she cared she would have told mike to knock it off at some point. But she didn't, so it was rational for mikey to continue.

[IndigoErth]

She doesn't care because she had men writing her lines and directing her [actress]... :goof: Why are we trying to justify why a scripted character doesn't care. lol

That aside though, at the very least if she was like "Yeah, no, go home, kid" his brothers could probably be trusted to drag him off.

[pennydreadful]

Tmnt fans that are women who act like they want to have sex with one of the tmnt=creepy

Mikey saying creepy stuff to april=Lol, gtfo (Imo)

I found none of the stuff that he said to her creepy, I do not blame him cause I see her as a really good looking woman and would be saying the kind of stuff he said to her as a teenager, if I were him and had the courage to. :3
Why is it that things that are said are only creepy when a guy does it? If a girl does it everything is gravy and no questions it cause they are blinded by the truth that is that all women aren't as good as they think they are, these people brush stuff under the rug when they show how corrupted and rotten they are.

At no point did anybody say that inappropriate come-ons by women are ok. With all the eloquence of a drunk eating his own vomit, you stumbled past my point, completely oblivious. Let me break it down for you again: repeated unwanted come-ons by anybody are not ok.

I'm assuming that you're straight, so let me ask you this - if a six foot tall, heavily muscled dude found you attractive, would it be ok for him to repeatedly hit on you even after you repeatedly displayed no interest? Seriously, think about it. Take your time. I'll wait.

Ye gods. It's like pulling teeth sometimes, it really is...

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

At no point did anybody say that inappropriate come-ons by women are ok. With all the eloquence of a drunk eating his own vomit, you stumbled past my point, completely oblivious. Let me break it down for you again: repeated unwanted come-ons by anybody are not ok.

I'm assuming that you're straight, so let me ask you this - if a six foot tall, heavily muscled dude found you attractive, would it be ok for him to repeatedly hit on you even after you repeatedly displayed no interest? Seriously, think about it. Take your time. I'll wait.

Ye gods. It's like pulling teeth sometimes, it really is...

If I wanted to discuss your previous post, I would have done so. I said what I said cause I wanted to, it had jack to do with your previous post, think what you want to think. I do not care, I just wanted to make points of my own. Listen, april may have shown no interest, but at the same time she also didn't tell him to knock it off.

[pennydreadful]

I suppose the notion that women are socially conditioned to be "nice" and are often too intimidated to flat-out say "Get lost" just sailed right over your head (because as we all know, sex is apparently a public service that women owe the world, and if we don't hand it out like candy, dudebros go on shooting sprees and then women are once again blamed).

Anyway - whatevs. Just go back to kink-shaming women and endorsing leering dude-bro culture - you're going on ignore.

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[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

^Peace you uber feeble minded stranger. At least I do not put people on my ignore list when they respectfully disagree with me, it's not my style to make a bunch of posts just to finally get someone to share my opinion, it sounds like something you wanted and now you seem to be upset that you didn't get it so have decided to put me on ignore because of that. If you don't like the fact that someone doesn't feel like responding to your post, then you might as well put many people from this site on your ignore list over that.

[Candy Kappa]

The scenes I've seen Mikey with April is creeptastic, and nicely mirrors the "Nice Guys" I've encountered online.

You try to be nice and deflect it with humor or direct the conversation to something else, but damn. "My shell's tightening." A friend of mine was almost kidnapped on the open street cause he felt he needed to let loose his tight shell, luckily she found a police officer who she had to stay with until she got home.

[Coola Yagami]

April barely had any screen time with mikey to tell him to knock it off or play along. April had more screen time with raph and then it's more like 'shut up and drive Vernon.' April barely knew the turtles. We, as the audience, barely knew the turtles. Games this movie irritates me to no end.

[Mellie]

April barely had any screen time with mikey to tell him to knock it off or play along. April had more screen time with raph and then it's more like 'shut up and drive Vernon.' April barely knew the turtles. We, as the audience, barely knew the turtles. Games this movie irritates me to no end.

Exactly. There was barely any conversation in this movie between April and turtles. It felt like they cut everything out to add more blurry action scenes.

[Drucifer]

I didn't see anything wrong with the Mikey's banter towards April, it was an extension from the first movie, really. He's a teenager and she's a 'sex symbol', something decided by human culture years before this movie was made. (And to the question about a large, gay male hitting on me repeatedly, I work with several gay guys who do this to me regularly, it's harmless and humorous.)

I'm sure I'll get flamed to hell and back for this, but I'm a hippie kinda guy and I honestly believe the 'hero' of the movie was family. No one would have been saved if it weren't for family. It wasn't any singular person or turtle, but the love for each other that kept them all going.

[Mona_Lisa]

I didn't like the "My shell's tightening" thing....That was creepy and gross. But the rest seemed harmless enough to me.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Oh look, someone else on here acting as if mikey was talking about his d***. Lovely. :roll:

[Candy Kappa]

Oh look, someone else on here acting as if mikey was talking about his d***. Lovely. :roll:

he is.

"Shell tightening", literally means he is getting a boner.

[Mona_Lisa]

Oh look, someone else on here acting as if mikey was talking about his d***. Lovely. :roll:

Ok what WAS he talking about????:D


You seem so full of hate my friend!

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

I don't hate everything. :P

I cannot take it seriously cause of how he chose to say it.

[BabyTurtles]

Raph didn't take up that much of the other turtle's screen time actually....

and April/Vernon/Raph all helped saved the turtles.......and everyone was back together super quickly.

April did a lot of saving in the movie (I'm proud of her *_*)

[Warhorse]

I didn't like the "My shell's tightening" thing....That was creepy and gross. But the rest seemed harmless enough to me.

It was a stupid quote, but the following quote from his brother was hilarious.

[909 Turtle Fan]

Vern was the one trying get at O'neil the whole time, Mike's was just playful flirting. Also yes it was a Raph centered movie. The end where he is spilling his heart about why he's such a bully all the time and he fights the shredder one on one. My two cents :tgrin:

[Mellie]

Gonna be so angry if we never get to see a glimpse of the trench coat Raph footage. :(

[IndigoErth]

Vern was the one trying get at O'neil the whole time, Mike's was just playful flirting.
If Casey shows up in the sequel and has a thing for her too, am I the only one who wouldn't mind seeing an awkward three way rivalry... lol

Gonna be so angry if we never get to see a glimpse of the trench coat Raph footage. :(
Willing to bet and hoping that this will turn up on the disks. Unless it was overly brief and nothing to it, but doubting that if they went so far as to make a figure. If they don't include it as part of the extras, shame on them.

[TMNT8813]

Are you serious? I was starting to think he's ghey.

Nope, he's Vern.
That would be like calling Raph, Ralph.

Don't assume just 'cos of past incarnations.
So, are you gonna call whoopi goldberg "Burne Thompson" too?

Actually, that's exactly who she was portraying.

Based on the footage shown to press and the trailers thus far, the new "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" movie doesn't make much of an attempt to make the property darker or more serious than past iterations, unlike multiple other franchise reboots. In fact, Liebesman cites the late '80s/early '90s TMNT cartoon as this biggest inspiration for him, tonally, in putting together the film -- something that's reflected in the presence of characters like Vern Fenwick (Will Arnett) and Bernadette Thompson (Whoopi Goldberg), a gender-swapped version of the original cartoon's Burne Thompson.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=54147

http://aggressivecomix.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tmnt-news.png

[Mona_Lisa]

Gonna be so angry if we never get to see a glimpse of the trench coat Raph footage. :(

Me too.... And I hope when we see the footage it is actually finished too!!!!!

[The Fifth Turtle]

To answer the op, yes. He actually turned out to be my fav turtle in the movie and his speech at the end was touching :tcry:

Phenomenon def had the most character development in this.

[Coola Yagami]

Not sure how it was touching if there wasn't any build up to it....

All we saw was him being grouchy and giving Leo some lip. We never saw how he acted towards the others, or if he picked on Mikey and Donnie like he suggested. Plus we barely met the Turtles and almost in the first scene Raph is talking about leaving the team. After what? Ten minutes we've gotten to know the characters?

The main problem with this scene is that it ASSUMES we've seen the turtles in other media and that should apply here. Yeah, Raph basically picks on everyone in the Nick show, but that is not THIS Raph. This is not a sequel or a continuation of the past series, this is a whole new thing.

We barely know THIS Raph. His line lost all impact. Now if had said this in the sequel (assuming of course he got more character development).... then yeah, this would have worked.

[strawberryfields]

Everyone was important in this movie; everyone did at least one thing that saved everyone else at some point or another

[Drucifer]

Gotta say I also find it odd that people are murdered in this movie, a dude has his skin melted off.....but a joke about an erection, a natural occurrence in life....and THAT'S what people see as offensive. :lol:

[Mellie]

The main problem with this scene is that it ASSUMES we've seen the turtles in other media and that should apply here. Yeah, Raph basically picks on everyone in the Nick show, but that is not THIS Raph. This is not a sequel or a continuation of the past series, this is a whole new thing.


Yep, I thought it was touching because I know how Raph is, but this movie failed to establish anything :ohwell:

[Shark_Blade]

Gonna be so angry if we never get to see a glimpse of the trench coat Raph footage. :(


Willing to bet and hoping that this will turn up on the disks. Unless it was overly brief and nothing to it, but doubting that if they went so far as to make a figure. If they don't include it as part of the extras, shame on them.I will be depressed if trench coat Raph isn't on the disc. The action figure will be nothing but nostalgia remnant...for OT and the first movie. :(:cry:

[Warhorse]

Gotta say I also find it odd that people are murdered in this movie, a dude has his skin melted off.....but a joke about an erection, a natural occurrence in life....and THAT'S what people see as offensive. :lol:

Well, if you're a woman and find the joke a bit like, Mikey is looking at April as nothing more than a sex toy instead of a human being, it is offensive.

[909 Turtle Fan]

Well, if you're a woman and find the joke a bit like, Mikey is looking at April as nothing more than a sex toy instead of a human being, it is offensive.

If your a women and you got offended then maybe you should just lighten up and stop being such a prude.

[Candy Kappa]

If your a women and you got offended then maybe you should just lighten up and stop being such a prude.

Do you often go up to strangers you don't know and say you are aroused because you find them hot?

[Warhorse]

If your a women and you got offended then maybe you should just lighten up and stop being such a prude.

Offensive much. I don't know what's worse, your outlook on how women should feel about being objectified, or your poor grammar.

[Autbot_Benz]

April wasn't objecitfied that much in the Turtles movie as compared to the girls in the Tranformers movies IE no lingerie shots of april ETC.

Just one stupid booty shot and mikey's dumb joke.

[Mellie]

Yeah I still don't understand the outrage over Mikey's comments. :roll:


edit: Well, the only thing that was creepy and outta nowhere was the 'shell tightening' thing. No one in the theatre laughed at that, we all kinda cringed.

[Rooish]

If your a women and you got offended then maybe you should just lighten up and stop being such a prude.

You are an idiot. It was not funny. It was really creepy. Erection jokes can be funny. They are not when you are one of four guys with weapons surrounding a woman, a complete stranger woman, and it is the first thing you say about her... not just that she is hot, but that you have an erection. Definite rape implications.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

I can't believe what I have heard. It's a damn movie folks, get a grip on yourselves.

[Rooish]

Yeah, I liked most of the movie, but that line was creepy and people who don't see the creepiness given the context are the ones with the problem.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

If he was going to rape her, a struggle between them would have ensued, the turtles would have had to try to get mikey off of her. But did any of that happen? Hell no. Again, mikey is young, he still has mental flourishing to do, his intellect. Mikey isn't stupid enough to try to rape her.

[Rooish]

You are also an idiot. It's not about what his plans were--Mikey obviously was not planning to rape her because we know Mikey's personality. It's about how it would feel to be April in that situation, hearing that s**t! She doesn't know him. How thick is your skull. Sheer creepiness!

[DarkLightDragon]

But the writers were still stupid enough to think that line would be funny for anyone.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

You are also an idiot. It's not about what his plans were--Mikey obviously was not planning to rape her because we know Mikey's personality. It's about how it would feel to be April in that situation, hearing that s**t! She doesn't know him. How thick is your skull. Sheer creepiness!

Why don't you go eff yourself with a dildo? Say hello to my ignore list.

[Candy Kappa]

Haha, oh wow. Aren't you an.... Interesting individual.

[909 Turtle Fan]

Do you often go up to strangers you don't know and say you are aroused because you find them hot?

Hell yeah I do, I go to clubs and bars all the time and tell women the look sexy. You think these chicks get all dressed up just for fun? Good looking women like to be approached.

You are an idiot.

Oh yeah baby, I like out when you talk dirty. Lol



[QUOTE=Warhorse;1332800]Offensive much. I don't know what's worse, your outlook on how women should feel about being objectified, or your poor grammar.

Yeah sure, MEGAN FREAKIN FOX shouldn't be objectified. Lol whatever you say. You are = you're thanks for the grammar lesson:tlol:


Maybe you all should have gone to see some fake ass romantic comedy instead of a ninja turtle movie, then everything will be rainbows and kittens for ya.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

^Prepare for a ****storm.

[Coola Yagami]

I kinda get where she's coming from. Remember this is a movie. There is no Megan Fox. This is April. April who just saw 4 giant armed turtle monsters, and one of em got a hard-on for her. Honestly, in her position what's to stop them from an all-out gang rape. It would be funny if they were already friends and she'd know it was Mikey just being Mikey. But she didn't know him at this point.

You kinda don't walk up to a woman and tell her she gets you hard. Even if you do that in a club, well... clubs are for that sort of thing. Kinda different. April was not at a club when this happened though.


And dude.... Michealangleo... a boner joke? No Micheal Bay. Just no, you ****ing hollywood hack.

[Candy Kappa]

Hell yeah I do, I go to clubs and bars all the time and tell women the look sexy. You think these chicks get all dressed up just for fun? Good looking women like to be approached.

And you are straight up saying you have a boner?

Cause that is what Mikey is saying, not just that April is hot, he is literally proclaiming he got an erection.

And that's not flattering as a first impression, that's just down right creepy.

[909 Turtle Fan]

Well maybe she shouldn't be riding her bike in the middle of the night in bad neighborhoods. Also maybe the shell tighten joke was more like "oh man she is so beautiful she takes my breath away" or "my heart just skilled a beat" 99% of guys how make comments to good looking women are not going to rape them. I mean c'mon when did everyone get so sensitive about every little thing. I never even thought about a gang rape, that's pretty effed up to even suggest but to each their own. Also most of the ppl making a big deal hate the movie. I don't post much but I do see what others post.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Look, I love movies, but some people are taking this just way too seriously. These are fictional characters you guys are talking about.

[909 Turtle Fan]

And you are straight up saying you have a boner?

Cause that is what Mikey is saying, not just that April is hot, he is literally proclaiming he got an erection.

And that's not flattering as a first impression, that's just down right creepy.

I was in Vegas last week and told this cute bar tender in a referee out fit "are you an official cause you've officially given me a boner" she laughed and said "good one". I guess she has never seen blades of glory. what's creepy to you isn't necessarily creepy to every one else. Just saying

[Mellie]

Let's drop it and talk about how awesome Raphael is. :)

[909 Turtle Fan]

Look, I love movies, but some people are taking this just way too seriously. These are fictional characters you guys are talking about.

I know right. Shesh, gang rape? Really?

[DarkLightDragon]

Look, I love movies, but some people are taking this just way too seriously. These are fictional characters you guys are talking about.


Fictional characters that talk like real people. And what the writers choose to make some of the characters talk about is downright discomforting and should not be tolerated, fictional or otherwise.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

I don't know how some prefer one turtle over the others. I like them equally, I always have. Hm, maybe who ever came up with it didn't want mikey to be such a goody too shoes.

[Leo656]

I love when people act like bartenders aren't laughing at insipid jokes because it's part of their job, but because they're genuinely funny. Snicker.

[909 Turtle Fan]

I love when people act like bartenders aren't laughing at insipid jokes because it's part of their job, but because they're genuinely funny. Snicker.

Nah bro, it was a genuine laugh. I swear! :tlol:

[Leo656]

Could be, but still. I had a chick at a bar once "genuinely" put the Iron Claw on my junk like she wanted to take it home with her, but I didn't take that to mean she was "genuinely" into me. I took it to mean she was a sloppy drunk with boundary issues. :lol:

[909 Turtle Fan]

Could be, but still. I had a chick at a bar once "genuinely" put the Iron Claw on my junk like she wanted to take it home with her, but I didn't take that to mean she was "genuinely" into me. I took it to mean she was a sloppy drunk with boundary issues. :lol:

Mayby she was at first, but when she checked what you were packing she thought oh never mind. :trazz:

[Leo656]

OR, the fact that my wife screamed at her killed the moment.

[IndigoErth]

Look... women often laugh stuff off or pretend it's no big deal because it's easier than the trouble or attitude it causes if some dumbass thinks his ego was hurt if you reacted "wrong" to his comment or didn't accept/approve of it... *cough*



That said.. this is Raph's thread. At least he had the decency to snap back at Mikey.

[909 Turtle Fan]

OR, the fact that my wife screamed at her killed the moment.

True my wife is quick to get crazy if she thinks another women is flirting with me. One time we went to eat and she said the waitress was flirting, I didn't think so, but she refused to leave a tip lol. We don't eat there anymore.:trolleye:

[909 Turtle Fan]

Look... women often laugh stuff off or pretend it's no big deal because it's easier than the trouble or attitude it causes if some dumbass thinks his ego was hurt if you reacted "wrong" to his comment or didn't accept/approve of it... *cough*



That said.. this is Raph's thread. At least he had the decency to snap back at Mikey.

Oh yeah I forgot about that. That was pretty decent of Raph.

[Mona_Lisa]

So we all agree, Raph is awesome.... lol!:D

I knew Raph would lose when he fought the shredder by himself.... But I didn't think he would lose that badly! It was painful to watch....

[Xiewin]

Raph was the best part of the movie.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Nah. He was good, but I wouldn't say that he was the only really good thing about the movie.

[Mellie]

And that rare smile at the end was precious

[Xiewin]

And that rare smile at the end was precious

Indeed it was. :)

[IndigoErth]

I knew Raph would lose when he fought the shredder by himself.... But I didn't think he would lose that badly! It was painful to watch....
Yeah, between him with all that and Leo with that snow chase scene which I found painful, those two in particular had it kinda tough in this one, poor babies.

And that rare smile at the end was precious
heh Big old softie after all. ;)

[The Vernon]

Raphael is the only action figure who comes in that suit? This is bs. I proclaim anarchy! Anarchy!

[Mona_Lisa]

Raphael is the only action figure who comes in that suit? This is bs. I proclaim anarchy! Anarchy!

I understand bro, I always loved my undercover Donatello because he looked like the guys walking around in there disguises... Always wanted the other three turtles!:(

[Candy Kappa]

Raphael is the only action figure who comes in that suit? This is bs. I proclaim anarchy! Anarchy!

Well, he is the only one who actually disguise himself in the movie, it's just been cut out in the theatrical release.

[Mellie]

Reading older interviews it seems April and Raphael were supposed to have a somewhat "bordering on romantic" relationship. Making me wonder what else they cut from the movie :teek:

[TechnoJerome]

Reading older interviews it seems April and Raphael were supposed to have a somewhat "bordering on romantic" relationship. Making me wonder what else they cut from the movie :teek:

Yea I remember that... that would've been weird.

http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/8073/turtoneil.jpg

[Warhorse]

April wasn't objecitfied that much in the Turtles movie as compared to the girls in the Tranformers movies IE no lingerie shots of april ETC.

Just one stupid booty shot and mikey's dumb joke.

2 too many, when all of the other TMNT movies seemed to survive fine without the toilet humor.


Either way, I want to know why they cut out the whole Raph and April going through the city.

[turtle1237]

April did take out the Shredder.

So that alone should make her the main hero.

[Shark_Blade]

April did take out the Shredder.

So that alone should make her the main hero.

But she couldn't have done it without the turtles so...

But then she did save the turtles and Splinter at the beginning when she was little, so she could really be the main hero after all..


April O' Neil for President 2016!

[IndigoErth]

April O' Neil for President 2016!
Can't wait until the Watergate Sewer Grate scandle comes up about how she dumped them there.

[Warhorse]

Can't wait until the Watergate Sewer Grate scandle comes up about how she dumped them there.

Didn't you watch the cockroach episode on Nick, it's quite easy, those scars on the Turtles aren't gang tattoos, but they are cuts from implants that not only track the turtles whereabouts, but can also be used to hear in on conversations when Donny taps into the phone wires and hacks into the internet!:lol:

[massakre]

"Raphael--he's the leader of the group..."
-Partners in Kryme (1990)

They kept that line in the song for a reason LOL..

[graphic_content]

someone on these boards said, "they basically shot two films"...in a recent interview on KTLA with the actors who play the turtles, Alan Ritchson stated that it took them a while to establish the tone they wanted, even indicating that the tone was changed mid-shoot.

it led me to speculate that this film was a very different when it first started, both storywise, and overall tone.

so much of the solo-Raph stuff was cut, and even his speech at the end, left me to scratch my head, because he was apologizing for stuff that never really happened in the context of the movie.

i wanted to see an extended cut of this film.