Christy Mack

[pennydreadful]

So for those of you who haven't been following the story, Christy Mack is an alt model/porn star who was beaten to a pulp by her boyfriend - today, she's released photos of her injuries, as well as a statement.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/8/11/5992693/war-machine-christy-mack-releases-detailed-statement-alleging-horrific-assault-mma

The (now ex) boyfriend (an MMA fighter called War Machine) has meanwhile engaged in a barf-inducing round of victim-blaming, saying she was cheating on him.

People, I don't care if you walk in and you find your partner pulling a train in the middle of the living room - it is NEVER ok to hit your partner.

There is absolutely no excuse for domestic violence, ever. I'm tired of seeing this sort of thing - it's absolutely disgraceful and unacceptable.

Christy, I hope that you make a complete recovery and that justice is served.

[BubblyShell22]

Wow. That's horrible, but at least she survived it. Domestic abuse is not okay no matter what, and the sad thing is that most women continue to stay with the man even after they've been abused. Sad but true. I hope that Christy finds the courage to leave him and never go back to him.

[ObiWanFan4life]

My word, that's terrible. Between this and Robin Williams' passing, I truly hate the world sometimes.

[Raphael4]

From reading his twitter and her statement it seems a mess. Her statement makes no sense though why she let her ex have entry into her home? Why did she idly watch her friend get beaten? Why did she undress for a shower and go for said shower and not escape? She then states from the beating she can't walk then goes on to say she ran and jumped over fences and knocked on peoples doors before someone opening to her. I don't know I don't really believe her story.

[turtlefanforever]

we still do NOT know the full story. It is horrible but judgment should be reserved until the truth comes out.

[plastroncafe]

Let the victim blaming begin!

I repeat: no one deserves to be hit. Ever.

[Blossombrooks]

That poor woman, she must be in so much pain. Adrenaline is a funny thing, I'm not surprised she was able to run.
Believe me, no one has the right to judge her and I just hope she recovers both mentally and physically.
There are no excuses for abuse. That man needs to accept what he's done is unforgivable.

[Prowler]

Her boyfriend is an MMA fighter so he's probably fairly strong and capable of beating up many guys, let alone your average woman with no training. Pretty disgusting and cowardly to use your strength to beat up someone weaker than you, especially your partner.

[plastroncafe]

Time to get that man tested for steroids.

[Candy Kappa]

Horrible and disgusting. I hope Christy have healthy recovery, and the dude gets severely punished.

[pennydreadful]

Yeah, I wouldn't say never. I'm not a violent person, especially towards women, but the one time I did hit a woman she more than deserved it (and she's lucky she just got a light slap instead of a regular punch).

Dude - no. Just no. Unless she was running at you with a knife, that's completely unacceptable.

From reading his twitter and her statement it seems a mess. Her statement makes no sense though why she let her ex have entry into her home? Why did she idly watch her friend get beaten? Why did she undress for a shower and go for said shower and not escape? She then states from the beating she can't walk then goes on to say she ran and jumped over fences and knocked on peoples doors before someone opening to her. I don't know I don't really believe her story.

If you've seen picture of the guy, you'd be aware that he's built like the proverbial sh*thouse - if a guy like that is standing over the top of you and you're afraid, of course you're going to shower. As far as having access to her home - he could have still had a key, he could have broken in... we don't know. I put her escape down to adrenaline.

Either way, the photos of her injuries clearly show that she was violently assaulted. Whatever went down, beating a person like that is not ok.

Seriously, if anybody here thinks that kind of behavior is appropriate - do me a favor, don't ever talk to me again. I'll tell you right now, domestic abuse is reprehensible, cowardly and absolutely vile. If you can't keep your hands to yourself, if you're that incapable of controlling yourself, you ought to be locked up and kept far away from decent people. This is something we're taught in kindergarten - you keep your hands to yourself, you don't hit the other kids. It's a concept so simple that even a freaking five year old can grasp it.

The only time it is EVER ok to raise your hand to another person is to defend your physical safety, or that of someone else. And even then, you use only the minimum force that is required to stop the threat, no more.

[Metalwolf]

Wow. That's horrible, but at least she survived it. Domestic abuse is not okay no matter what, and the sad thing is that most women continue to stay with the man even after they've been abused. Sad but true. I hope that Christy finds the courage to leave him and never go back to him.I think that happens because the men often threatens them with violence or death should they leave, so the women feel like they are forced to stay. Also the woman tends to be financially depend on the man, either having given up her job to be some sort of homemaker (either by her desire or his) or she is in dire financial straits (she's super poor and would be homeless without him) and chooses to stay for that reason.

There is also the last reason, they had children with the man, and think staying would be better (for the children) then breaking up and leaving the kids without a dad.

[Slade]

Penny, are you talking just domestic violence or actually getting into a fight?

[Davin]

As someone who follows and is involved in MMA, I've known this guy is a major scumbag for years now. Multiple assault charges, multiple jail stints, and a felon. All in the last few years. Why anyone would get into a relationship with someone like that is beyond me, and yes this behavior started before they got together. Glad she survived, it's not her fault it happened, but damn those are some warning signs.

Oh, and they have tattoos of each other's names.

[Metalwolf]

S

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/8/11/5992693/war-machine-christy-mack-releases-detailed-statement-alleging-horrific-assault-mma

Now one of the clickable articles is saying that Dog the Bounty Hunter will be going after him if he doesn't turn himself in. Hopefully Dog knows how to deal with that type, as he'll have his hands full.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/8/12/5994191/mma-news-dog-the-bounty-hunter-coming-after-wanted-war-machine-christy-mack

[pennydreadful]

Penny, are you talking just domestic violence or actually getting into a fight?

For the purpose of this conversation, consider all my comments to be in the context of condemning domestic violence situations.

Though I don't like real-life violence in general, I understand that sometimes it's not practical/some scumbags need an asskicking... and I certainly wouldn't shed any tears if War Machine happened to get a little banged up while being brought in by Dog or the cops. Or an enterprising gang of bikers with brass knuckles. Hypocritical or just a grey area - I don't know. :ohwell:

I am an angry person today. :shredder:

[Netkeeper]

I think that happens because the men often threatens them with violence or death should they leave, so the women feel like they are forced to stay. Also the woman tends to be financially depend on the man, either having given up her job to be some sort of homemaker (either by her desire or his) or she is in dire financial straits (she's super poor and would be homeless without him) and chooses to stay for that reason.

There is also the last reason, they had children with the man, and think staying would be better (for the children) then breaking up and leaving the kids without a dad.
You're absolutely right. Relationships with domestic abuse often have other types of abuse being present as well, and the victim is often scared of leaving the relationship not only because threats are present, but because, well... the victim once loved that person and it's hard to leave a situation like that, because they think there's still some good in that person.

And the children situation happens way too often. I grew up with a friend who had exactly that problem -- mom didn't divorce or leave dad because she didn't want her kids to live without. But the kids knew that was the case and always told me they WISHED she'd divorce.

[Slade]

For the purpose of this conversation, consider all my comments to be in the context of condemning domestic violence situations.

Though I don't like real-life violence in general, I understand that sometimes it's not practical/some scumbags need an asskicking... and I certainly wouldn't shed any tears if War Machine happened to get a little banged up while being brought in by Dog or the cops. Or an enterprising gang of bikers with brass knuckles. Hypocritical or just a grey area - I don't know. :ohwell:

I am an angry person today. :shredder:

Okay I gotcha. I wouldn't say hypocritical though. Some people need to get knocked the f**k out.

[pennydreadful]

No knife, just fists. She'd hit me several times, trying to provoke a reaction. Last punch broke my nose. Had to do something.

Domestic violence isn't just a male-on-female thing. It works both ways, only most guys it happens to are too embarrassed/humiliated to say or do anything.

Which is exactly why I've tried to use gender-neutral language in this discussion. I know perfectly well that it happens to men, and I don't condone women committing violence against their partners any more than I condone it being committed by men. And that goes for straight relationships as well as gay/lesbian relationships.

I know I'm firing up and being more feisty than usual, but look - my grandmother was beaten by her husband for years. She ended up leaving after he put her in hospital while she was pregnant. When she left him, she had four kids, no car, no job and one can of tomato soup in the cupboard. And there was no welfare in those days. There was violence in some of the arguments between my mother and my father (which I don't like talking about).

Domestic violence is an ugly, horrible thing, and it makes me sick that people still excuse it. It's grotesque.

[BubblyShell22]

I saw on TMZ Live that they did a radio interview and War Machine made a joke about killing her. She responded with, "I'd probably deserve it." And the tattoo you guys are talking about says "Property of" and that's an issue right there.

[AT-Man]

This is horrible. I hope she'll be able to continue her job when she gets better.

[joefsas]

This is horrible. I hope she'll be able to continue her job when she gets better.

Yeah, i bet you do ;););):D:lol:

[turtlefanforever]

She hasn't done any "movies" for quite some time. They gave that up when they got together. And her story doesn't make sense cause there were seen together by multiple people at the last Bellator event. She didn't deserve to get beaten that severely and war machine is a despicable person but having a pre-determined stance on something when all the facts aren't out isn't exactly right. There's a lot of grey areas in domestic violence as well. Not speaking this case but you keep saying a man should never hit a women and should just take punishment just cause she is a women. I thought there was a huge fight over equality. This whole thing is going to turn into a flame war, moreso than it already is. I still reserve total judgment until the truth and all the facts are out. I do not condone domestic violence in any sense. When a guy hits a women it's wrong; when a female hits a male it's wrong. Period. Just making that clear so my last statement didn't get misconstrued.

[plastroncafe]

I'm not seeing a grey area:
Hitting people is wrong.

[Prowler]

I'm not seeing a grey area:
Hitting people is wrong.
Unless it's in self-defense, obviously.

[plastroncafe]

Unless it's in self-defense, obviously.

Justifiable doesn't make it "right."

[turtlefanforever]

Josh Grispi sicking a dog on his wifes face then her still wanting to be with him

[BubblyShell22]

Well, I just saw on TMZ Live that Dog the Bounty Hunter is getting involved with this case, and I hope he catches this jerk.

And, Plastron, I disagree on the self-defense thing. Sure, it may not seem right, but if I was getting beat up by someone whether man or woman, I'd make sure to defend myself rather than get beaten on.

[pennydreadful]

She hasn't done any "movies" for quite some time. They gave that up when they got together. And her story doesn't make sense cause there were seen together by multiple people at the last Bellator event. She didn't deserve to get beaten that severely and war machine is a despicable person but having a pre-determined stance on something when all the facts aren't out isn't exactly right. There's a lot of grey areas in domestic violence as well. Not speaking this case but you keep saying a man should never hit a women and should just take punishment just cause she is a women. I thought there was a huge fight over equality. This whole thing is going to turn into a flame war, moreso than it already is. I still reserve total judgment until the truth and all the facts are out. I do not condone domestic violence in any sense. When a guy hits a women it's wrong; when a female hits a male it's wrong. Period. Just making that clear so my last statement didn't get misconstrued.

What sort of "punishment" are we talking here? I'm wracking my brain, but I'm struggling to understand exactly how breaking 18 bones in someones face and rupturing their liver could possibly be justified under any circumstance.

Nobody in this thread is saying that women should be allowed to hit men but men can't hit women. We are saying that hitting your partner, whether you are a man or a woman, is wrong - full stop. Exclamation point.

I really don't understand some people - even if she'd had dinner with him the night before, none of that would in any way excuse what he did to her. I don't care if she was blowing him 5 seconds beforehand and then turned down his marriage proposal. What he did was inexcusable. What the actual hell.

I'm always going to have a pre-determined stance on something like this. If the tables were turned and she hit him and then hacked his johnson off, I'd be condemning it as a despicable act. Gender equality doesn't = "Great, I get to punch you now".

Most rational people agree that beating a smaller, unskilled opponent to a pulp is a cowardly, sh*thead thing to do. Men and women of character have control of their emotions, and have the sense to walk away if they're getting that upset. That's the bottom line. I don't hold with that "oh but she pushed his buttons" victim-blaming BS. If someone's pushing your buttons so badly that you feel the need to use potentially lethal violent force - walk away. Have some self control and some self respect, for god's sake. Don't blame someone else for your own shortcomings as a human being.

[Walkabout]

Wow, I've seen both of them on Bellator MMA and until this used to laugh at them (him for calling himself War Machine and her for being with him)...what a piece of sh%t.

[turtlefanforever]

What sort of "punishment" are we talking here? I'm wracking my brain, but I'm struggling to understand exactly how breaking 18 bones in someones face and rupturing their liver could possibly be justified under any circumstance.

Nobody in this thread is saying that women should be allowed to hit men but men can't hit women. We are saying that hitting your partner, whether you are a man or a woman, is wrong - full stop. Exclamation point.

I really don't understand some people - even if she'd had dinner with him the night before, none of that would in any way excuse what he did to her. I don't care if she was blowing him 5 seconds beforehand and then turned down his marriage proposal. What he did was inexcusable. What the actual hell.

I'm always going to have a pre-determined stance on something like this. If the tables were turned and she hit him and then hacked his johnson off, I'd be condemning it as a despicable act. Gender equality doesn't = "Great, I get to punch you now".

Most rational people agree that beating a smaller, unskilled opponent to a pulp is a cowardly, sh*thead thing to do. Men and women of character have control of their emotions, and have the sense to walk away if they're getting that upset. That's the bottom line. I don't hold with that "oh but she pushed his buttons" victim-blaming BS. If someone's pushing your buttons so badly that you feel the need to use potentially lethal violent force - walk away. Have some self control and some self respect, for god's sake. Don't blame someone else for your own shortcomings as a human being.

Nobody is making excuses for what he did. What he did is inexcusable but accepting what Mack said as absolute truth is also wrong

[plastroncafe]

She didn't deserve to get beaten that severely and war machine is a despicable person but having a pre-determined stance on something when all the facts aren't out isn't exactly right.

Let's look at the bolded section here, and break down just how gross this idea you're trying to convey comes across.

Because to me it sounds like you're open to the idea that she deserved to get beaten, but that it's the amount of beating she took that's the problem. And that by being outraged by the mere fact of her beating is jumping to a conclusion that might not be fair to the guy who beat her.

Now let's move through the sentence to the part that comes after the dreaded "...but..."
That conjunction "but" is utilized when one is going to contrast, or make an exception in the second part of the sentence.

It's terrible she was beaten as much as she was, BUT equal to this over the line amount of beating she took is the character assassination on the part of the beater that might maybe probably be taking place. We don't actually know, so Devil's Advocate.

Which to me reads like: Bitches can't be trusted, amirite?
She could be LYING about why she was beat, so let's not jump to conclusions.

[turtlefanforever]

Let's look at the bolded section here, and break down just how gross this idea you're trying to convey comes across.

Because to me it sounds like you're open to the idea that she deserved to get beaten, but that it's the amount of beating she took that's the problem. And that by being outraged by the mere fact of her beating is jumping to a conclusion that might not be fair to the guy who beat her.

Now let's move through the sentence to the part that comes after the dreaded "...but..."
That conjunction "but" is utilized when one is going to contrast, or make an exception in the second part of the sentence.

It's terrible she was beaten as much as she was, BUT equal to this over the line amount of beating she took is the character assassination on the part of the beater that might maybe probably be taking place. We don't actually know, so Devil's Advocate.

Which to me reads like: Bitches can't be trusted, amirite?
She could be LYING about why she was beat, so let's not jump to conclusions.

Don't twist my words around. Obviously I meant she didn't deserve to get beat at all. I knew this would turn into a flame war. Get off your pedestal bruh. I already said I don't condone domestic violence at all in my others

[pennydreadful]

http://cdn4.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/hocus-pocus-unimpressed.gif

If you don't condone it - that's all that needs to be said. You don't need to add caveats like "but" to the end of it.

I just... I'm very disappointed in some of the posters here. Do any of you have mothers? Sisters? Wives/girlfriends? Daughters? How would you feel if some man pulverized her? What would you do, rock up to the hospital and say "Damn, that looks like it stings - but I'd better hear what the other guy has to say first!".

Clearly, society still has a long way to go.

[plastroncafe]

I'm not twisting your words around, I'm giving you the opportunity to understand what it's like to be on the receiving end of your words.
To know what they sound like from the outside.

From where I'm sitting your stance on the matter isn't obvious.
Words matter. They have meaning.

This isn't a flame war, son.
And I'm not your bruh.

[turtlefanforever]

This whole thing is going to turn into a flame war, moreso than it already is. I still reserve total judgment until the truth and all the facts are out. I do not condone domestic violence in any sense. When a guy hits a women it's wrong; when a female hits a male it's wrong. Period. Just making that clear so my last statement didn't get misconstrued.

I'm not twisting your words around, I'm giving you the opportunity to understand what it's like to be on the receiving end of your words.
To know what they sound like from the outside.

From where I'm sitting your stance on the matter isn't obvious.
Words matter. They have meaning.

This isn't a flame war, son.
And I'm not your bruh.

Looky here donkey. This is from the SAME post you quoted. And I'm not your son, guy. Get off you high horse.

[plastroncafe]

Looky here donkey. This is from the SAME post you quoted. And I'm not your son, guy. Get off you high horse.

Oh good, so you see where the confusion comes from and how your stance on the matter wasn't obvious. Excellent.

Also, I'm not a guy. Or a donkey.

[pennydreadful]

We need Daenerys up in this mofo.

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[Raphael4]

Dude - no. Just no. Unless she was running at you with a knife, that's completely unacceptable.



If you've seen picture of the guy, you'd be aware that he's built like the proverbial sh*thouse - if a guy like that is standing over the top of you and you're afraid, of course you're going to shower. As far as having access to her home - he could have still had a key, he could have broken in... we don't know. I put her escape down to adrenaline.

Either way, the photos of her injuries clearly show that she was violently assaulted. Whatever went down, beating a person like that is not ok.

Seriously, if anybody here thinks that kind of behavior is appropriate - do me a favor, don't ever talk to me again. I'll tell you right now, domestic abuse is reprehensible, cowardly and absolutely vile. If you can't keep your hands to yourself, if you're that incapable of controlling yourself, you ought to be locked up and kept far away from decent people. This is something we're taught in kindergarten - you keep your hands to yourself, you don't hit the other kids. It's a concept so simple that even a freaking five year old can grasp it.

The only time it is EVER ok to raise your hand to another person is to defend your physical safety, or that of someone else. And even then, you use only the minimum force that is required to stop the threat, no more.

I never said it was ok I'm just saying there's a few holes in her story from a logical point of view. I've seen the pictures of her and they're horrific. But I wouldn't blame anybody before all of the truth is out.

[Raphael4]

http://cdn4.gurl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/hocus-pocus-unimpressed.gif

If you don't condone it - that's all that needs to be said. You don't need to add caveats like "but" to the end of it.

I just... I'm very disappointed in some of the posters here. Do any of you have mothers? Sisters? Wives/girlfriends? Daughters? How would you feel if some man pulverized her? What would you do, rock up to the hospital and say "Damn, that looks like it stings - but I'd better hear what the other guy has to say first!".

Clearly, society still has a long way to go.

Justice must listen to both sides of the story, not just jump to a conclusion.

[plastroncafe]

Justice cannot deny that someone beat her.
And that no matter what she did, she does not deserve that beating.

[Raphael4]

Both sides of the story must be listened to before being judged. Can't just believe the word of one person before hearing the others. She didn't deserve to be hit whatsoever but we don't know what happened she could have pulled a gun or knife anything is possible.

[plastroncafe]

Which is another way of saying: She might have deserved that beating.
Which she did not. Please stop blaming the victim.

[BubblyShell22]

She didn't pull any sort of weapon from what I've heard. He went to her house and beat her. Then he grabbed a knife, cut off her hair, and the knife broke. This gave her the chance to escape, and if she hadn't she probably would have been killed. I hope Dog gets this a**hole because NO ONE deserves the beating she got.

[turtlefanforever]

War machine has been caught by US marshalls in Cali.

Also: just as comparison, how did you feel when tiger woods wife beat him when she found out he was cheating? and that nothing happened to her.

[pennydreadful]

Turtlefan, if you go back and re-read my posts, I've said numerous times that I don't condone physical violence towards anyone's partner, man or woman. What else do I need to do - should I have it written in giant letters across the sky?

Why is it that whenever there's a thread about something awful happening to a woman, there has to be a big song and dance to turn the focus of the conversation onto men? Yes, bad things happen to men too. We get it. If it bothers you and you wish to discuss it, go start up a thead about it. This one is about Christy Mack.

I seriously don't think I can be bothered with this thread anymore, it's just making me want to bash my head against a wall. A big round of thanks to the victim-blamers in here for reaffirming my distaste for and distrust in humanity.

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[turtlefanforever]

it's a whole messed up situation. Best not to talk about it till everything is out in the air. It's wrong all around. This thread should really be closed.

[plastroncafe]

Doctor Nerd Love weighs in. (http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2014/08/christy-mack-and-the-crime-of-being-a-slut/?utm_source=feedly&utm_reader=feedly&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=christy-mack-and-the-crime-of-being-a-slut)

(cw: graphic images, discussion of domestic abuse, adult talk about slut shaming)

[Darthknuxward]

My word, that's terrible. Between this and Robin Williams' passing, I truly hate the world sometimes.

I agree, but I already hate humanity and this just makes my hate worse.
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Anyway, this is a piece of sh*t. I despise domestic abuse and I ******* LOATHE victim blamers. Unfortunetly, domestic violence will never fully end.

Also, I only fight to defend myself. Someone would have to give my a head injury to do it otherwise.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, same here. I just hope Christy doesn't try to get back with him. I know he'll be in prison, but there's always that case of people who get abused going back to the ones who abused them because they think it's just a one time thing or whatever. And then they just get beat on more.