If the movie was based off of 2k3?

[The True Shredder]

I say if done right I would think most people would of enjoyed the movie if it wasbased off of 2k3. There was so much they could have madewith thisseries. Shredder,Triceratons,Battle Nexus,Karai,Hun,etc. I would think it would be good. How about you?

[IndigoErth]

Well with a sequel coming, and goodness knows probably more than just one with the way Hollywood works now, there's still opportunity for them to pull some inspiration from it as well. Wouldn't be surprised if they do.

[rodster6]

I wouldn't be surprised if Shredder may still turn out to be an Utrom.

[Werecat]

Maybe no. If it is about making Leo into a total Mary Sue then no. If the movie focuses on each turtle and allows each of them to have some sort of character development then yes. I doubt that will happen though. 2k3 was all about "Super Leo and only Leo" while leaving the other turtles unlikable.

2k3 is not its own thing. I think you mean if the movie was based off the original comic.

[Andrew NDB]

If it had to be based on any cartoon, 2K3 would have my vote. As long as they leave the blatant Playmates pandering stuff at the door.

[Netkeeper]

Basing it off 2k3 would be my favourite way to go. The Ninja Tribunal would make a kick-ass movie.

[The True Shredder]

Maybe no. If it is about making Leo into a total Mary Sue then no. If the movie focuses on each turtle and allows each of them to have some sort of character development then yes. I doubt that will happen though. 2k3 was all about "Super Leo and only Leo" while leaving the other turtles unlikable.

2k3 is not its own thing. I think you mean if the movie was based off the original comic.

I Don't agree but it is just your OPINION.

[Shark_Blade]

No.

The Shredder already looks like 2k3 version.

[The True Shredder]

No.

The Shredder already looks like 2k3 version.
Do you need glasses by any chance?

[Coola Yagami]

I'd say hell no. Utrom shredder is ok for a cartoon but keep that **** out of the live action movies.

[The True Shredder]

I'd say hell no. Utrom shredder is ok for a cartoon but keep that **** out of the live action movies.

I don't know about you but I like to think the Shredder was a mantle. Even if you kill the original Shredder there will always someone or something take his place. That's what that Utrom was doing. Even if you didn't like it it was never the original Shredder to begin with.

[Redeemer]

Maybe no. If it is about making Leo into a total Mary Sue then no. If the movie focuses on each turtle and allows each of them to have some sort of character development then yes. I doubt that will happen though. 2k3 was all about "Super Leo and only Leo" while leaving the other turtles unlikable.

2k3 is not its own thing. I think you mean if the movie was based off the original comic.

Haters gonna Hate :D

lol the 2k3 did give Leo the most attention. But I actually liked it. It was something different. But you can't Leo all the screen time on the big screen.

[Netkeeper]

Well most of the live action movies gave Raph the most screen time, so I don't really see a problem with making it somebody else for a change.

[Powder]

It's not my favorite version but I'd be down for that.

[The True Shredder]

Well most of the live action movies gave Raph the most screen time, so I don't really see a problem with making it somebody else for a change.

I agree with this. It makes sense that Leo gets the most since HE is the Leader. I don't understand why this doesn't make sense to people. Plus everybody got screen time.And I do mean everybody. Each had at least one episode to themselves.

[Warhorse]

I agree with this. It makes sense that Leo gets the most since HE is the Leader. I don't understand why this doesn't make sense to people. Plus everybody got screen time.And I do mean everybody. Each had at least one episode to themselves.

Just because he's the leader doesn't mean he should get the most screen time. Most screen time should be equal to them all, but if not, it will be given to the character that has the most in your face personalities, since that's what the movie going public likes.

[Coola Yagami]

I kinda don't think shredder was really a mantle in the comics except for when raph wore it for a bit in the image comics.

Yeah Karai wore it for a bit... But she was literally impersonating Saki to get the Foot Elite to commit seppuku. She wasn't really taking shredder's place.

The 2k3 series overdid it with a ka-zillion shredders.

[Warhorse]

If there is going to be something to make Leo more focused, I would like it to be the Karai arc and not Shredder. Shredder should be all of them centric, or Splinter.


But, if they adapt anything from the 2k3 toon, I would prefer more of the Battle Nexus stuff. I think a live action version of the Turtles in a gladiator type setting (considering some of them already have gladiator type clothing as it is) would look bad ass on the big screen. Maybe even make it like The Hunger Games, TMNT style.

[The True Shredder]

I kinda don't think shredder was really a mantle in the comics except for when raph wore it for a bit in the image comics.

Yeah Karai wore it for a bit... But she was literally impersonating Saki to get the Foot Elite to commit seppuku. She wasn't really taking shredder's place.

The 2k3 series overdid it with a ka-zillion shredders.
But...there wasn't a ka zillion in 2k3. Only 2. Utrom Shredder and Tengu Shredder. And like you said Karai was never Shredder. And Cyber Shredder was just a copy of Utrom Shredder. So really only two.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

No.

The Shredder already looks like 2k3 version.


He sure doe's.

[Lil G]

But...there wasn't a ka zillion in 2k3. Only 2. Utrom Shredder and Tengu Shredder. And like you said Karai was never Shredder. And Cyber Shredder was just a copy of Utrom Shredder. So really only two.

Dude. The Shredder get-up made them the shredder. Its annoying to see the same damn costume throught the majority of the series, regardless of who's in the suit or what changes they made to the same suit.

[Candy Kappa]

But...there wasn't a ka zillion in 2k3. Only 2. Utrom Shredder and Tengu Shredder. And like you said Karai was never Shredder. And Cyber Shredder was just a copy of Utrom Shredder. So really only two.

except Karai did take over the Shredder persona, with a personalized costume and all. And had the show continued there where Shredder wars which we saw in the beginning of BttS.

[Coola Yagami]

We had normal shredder. Karai shredder. Demon shredder. Cyber shredder. The whole tribunal looked like 4 or 5 multi colored shredders. I get it. Shredder is cool. You don't need to overdo it.


When I said Karai was never shredder I meant the mirage Karai. It was a disguise to trick the foot for one night.

The 2k3 Karai did take over as shredder for a while.

[Candy Kappa]

Even the Theme song said so, as we see karai in her own Shredder suit saying "watch out for Shredder" after Ch'rell was banished.

[THGhost]

I'd watch the hell out of that. And the 2014 Shredder totally does look like the 2K3 Shredder. We don't need glasses to see that.

PS. Please don't go into too much detail regarding the 2014 Shredder, the movie's not out in the UK yet. Thanks.

[strawberryfields]

2k3 series was forgettable to me. I watched it for a while when I was 10 and then later on when I was 12/13 but I remember having to force myself to watch it sometimes just because it was turtles and I felt guilty not watching it

[hitmonkey]

I would have enjoyed it a lot more. Once you go for a PG-13 iteration of 2K3, you're basically just doing the Mirage series. Only major difference would probably be Michelangelo remaining a complete dip****.

[neatoman]

They do hint that something similar to what Sacks/Shredder tried to do happened in the past, so it is possible that they're going with the "Shredder is actually ancient" idea which originates from the 2003 cartoon.

[NYShell]

If it had to be based on any cartoon, 2K3 would have my vote. As long as they leave the blatant Playmates pandering stuff at the door.

Same. .

[Chris_a_Bunga]

What if it had actually been based on the story of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
? :ohwell: A lot of people say "well they've been in a lot of different incarnations, and yeah, they have, BUT the core story of Splinter and Shredders past was always there (as far as I know anyway) and that's what let me down the most with this movie.. it made it all feel kinda pointless.

[CyberCubed]

2k3 series was forgettable to me. I watched it for a while when I was 10 and then later on when I was 12/13 but I remember having to force myself to watch it sometimes just because it was turtles and I felt guilty not watching it

Seems like the cartoon went over your head then, especially since you were a kid. Everyone who was 17-19 when it originally aired thought it was amazing.

[thebrownranger]

I chose "maybe so." Could be interesting, but I wouldn't want aspects like Utrom Shredder and Bishop.

[Galactus]

I do think there's some superficial similarities to the 2003 show but that's about as far as it goes.

It's no surprise that Leibesman says he didn't look at other versions beyond the 80s show but rather looked at various images to see the other versions as well as deviant art based on them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the writers just skimmed through wiki entries and justified a lot of their decisions since they had some minor basis on the show. Like "see Shredder doesn't have to be Oroku Saki, there were other Shredders in that show" or "hey he's wearing cyber armor in this image from the show so it's cool if we made it like ultra cyber armor" etc.

If they actually properly looked at the show and took the best aspects from it then I think it would the basis for a great movie that could please a large amount of people. As it stands I don't have much faith that anyone involved is willing to even consider that and even if they did if they could pull it off.

[alliance]

no no no and no, I don't want bland, always angry, one dimensional no personality turtles..

[Warhorse]

I do think there's some superficial similarities to the 2003 show but that's about as far as it goes.

It's no surprise that Leibesman says he didn't look at other versions beyond the 80s show but rather looked at various images to see the other versions as well as deviant art based on them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the writers just skimmed through wiki entries and justified a lot of their decisions since they had some minor basis on the show. Like "see Shredder doesn't have to be Oroku Saki, there were other Shredders in that show" or "hey he's wearing cyber armor in this image from the show so it's cool if we made it like ultra cyber armor" etc.

If they actually properly looked at the show and took the best aspects from it then I think it would the basis for a great movie that could please a large amount of people. As it stands I don't have much faith that anyone involved is willing to even consider that and even if they did if they could pull it off.

I wonder if Liebesman chose to not look further than the 80's show, or was he ordered by a higher up? It seems like since the franchise got bought out by Nick, someone in power is doing their best to sweep as much 2k3 influence/ideals/and anything else underneath the rug.

[Cryomancer]

I'm down with utrom shredder in the sequel if for no other reason that to finally get a damn utrom in a movie. Secret of the Ooze would have been about 100% better if Perry was revealed as an utrom as supposedly planned. Then they can kill him and have Karai take over in the third one or whatever.

You know what could have made this one better? If they had Bishop and MIBs instead of Sacks/mechaShredder/tacticool foot clan.

[Warhorse]

I still can't believe, with as long as the TMNT have been around, the government agencies going after them so they can study them hasn't been a more bigger picture. Everyone loves conspiracy stories, why not make one with the TMNT?

[FoxBoxKid]

no no no and no, I don't want bland, always angry, one dimensional no personality turtles..

Then it's a good thing that the second cartoon gave us well-developed turtles with diverse personalities, instead of being an overrated 80s toy commercial with animation that makes Dragon Ball Z look like Gurren Lagann.

[CyberCubed]

Then it's a good thing that the second cartoon gave us well-developed turtles with diverse personalities, instead of being an overrated 80s toy commercial with animation that makes Dragon Ball Z look like Gurren Lagann.

The animation in the original cartoon was probably the best of its era, ignoring the worst animated episodes.

[FoxBoxKid]

The animation in the original cartoon was probably the best of its era, ignoring the worst animated episodes.

I have no strong opinion one way or the other of the overall quality of the show, unlike a certain someone in relation to its succesor. I'm just a little annoyed that it's the most popular and well-known version, when it's really in the middle of the franchise's overall range of quality.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Dragon Ball Z sucks.

[CyberCubed]

I have no strong opinion one way or the other of the overall quality of the show, unlike a certain someone in relation to its succesor. I'm just a little annoyed that it's the most popular and well-known version, when it's really in the middle of the franchise's overall range of quality.

True, but it has to do with its era. Look up what other 80's action/superhero cartoons were back then, most of them were terrible. TMNT really was the best 80's comic book cartoon at the time, probably because it was self-aware of its own ridiculousness and didn't take itself too seriously.

Obviously after the 90's and shows like Batman: TAS came out the bar was raised for animation, but back then there was nothing like it.

[Cryomancer]

Dragon Ball Z and Gurren Lagann both had pretty cool animation though? DBZ had plenty of problems but the animation wasn't really one of them.

[FoxBoxKid]

Dragon Ball Z and Gurren Lagann both had pretty cool animation though? DBZ had plenty of problems but the animation wasn't really one of them.

DBZ has decent animation, but it's no Gurren Lagann in that aspect.

[Cryomancer]

Well yeah, but they are from completely different companies, time periods, genres, and have totally different episode counts.

[neatoman]

Dragon Ball Z sucks.

Get out you soulless space lizard.

[THGhost]

Dragon Ball Z sucks.

http://global3.memecdn.com/don-amp-039-t-say-dbz-sucks_gp_2393735.jpg

[Cryomancer]

It sucked because they demanded episodes faster than there was source material. The animation / when stuff actually happened was decent enough shonen fighting anime fluff.

"Regular" Dragon Ball is better, but Z's alright for that genre.

[neatoman]

It sucked because they demanded episodes faster than there was source material. The animation / when stuff actually happened was decent enough shonen fighting anime fluff.

"Regular" Dragon Ball is better, but Z's alright for that genre.

Yes that is true, the worst episode is one that is basically just 20 minutes of Cell and Gohan firing one Kamehameha at each other. And the source material is better as it has a better flow, that is also true.

[THGhost]

Wayyy off-topic here. :P

[The True Shredder]

Yes that is true, the worst episode is one that is basically just 20 minutes of Cell and Gohan firing one Kamehameha at each other. And the source material is better as it has a better flow, that is also true.

Not true. This has to be the biggest lie I have ever seen on here.

[shuriken]

It's not my favorite version but I'd be down for that.

Me too. And even though I did enjoy the 2014 movie for what it was, a movie based on the 2k3 toon woulda been better.

[Galactus]

I wonder if Liebesman chose to not look further than the 80's show, or was he ordered by a higher up? It seems like since the franchise got bought out by Nick, someone in power is doing their best to sweep as much 2k3 influence/ideals/and anything else underneath the rug.

This is just me but I would speculate that it was mutual decision based on the idea that this would be a new version and thus shouldn't bother being faithful. It was after Viacom stepped and demanded rewrites that I'm sure that they decided to just give actual TMNT material a skim.

To be honest I'm unsure how much he really looked at the 80s show either. Leibesman has only ever talked about going for stuff he remembers from the 80s show.

I'm actually kinda shocked he admitted that his basis for the movie was looking at images on google and deviant art. You'd think he'd at least lie and claim he did look at the various comics and cartoons and movies especially as he's trying to convince people it would be a faithful take but you can't knock his honesty.

[Warhorse]

This is just me but I would speculate that it was mutual decision based on the idea that this would be a new version and thus shouldn't bother being faithful. It was after Viacom stepped and demanded rewrites that I'm sure that they decided to just give actual TMNT material a skim.

To be honest I'm unsure how much he really looked at the 80s show either. Leibesman has only ever talked about going for stuff he remembers from the 80s show.

I'm actually kinda shocked he admitted that his basis for the movie was looking at images on google and deviant art. You'd think he's at least lie and claim he did look at the various comics and cartoons and movies especially as he's trying to convince people it would be a faithful take but you can't knock his honesty.

Nope, I can't knock on his honesty, but, I could get on his case that if he really didn't want to put the time and effort to try to understand what it is about this franchise that the fans have liked enough to keep it above water for 30 plus years, then he should have just admit the project is not for him and bow out. Or, he should have hired an assistant to do the leg work for him. I'm pretty sure he could have found one in a college nearby who would have worked on the project for him for free.

[tmntpower1988]

I'd love to see a 2k3 movie.

Dragon Ball Z sucks.

Each to their own, I love Dragonball Z. It's one of the best shows ever imo anyway.

[Davetello]

4kids movie would be great, but they should just go the whole hog and do a Mirage film. Or even better that idea of HBO adapting the comics for television. It will never happen and we know the reasons why it will never happen, but it would be excellent.

I don't see what the turtles can't be split into adult and kiddie universes, as someone else mentioned before.

[jenna]

I think the perfect TMNT would strike a balance between what would please the fans and what is commercial.

For example... as a hard-core fan I LOVED Turtles Forever. I grinned the whole way through it. Turtles Forever was clearly made for the fans but it would be completely meaningless to anyone else. My sister, who is a moderate fan, watched it and said it was "stupid".

It sounds like this new PD film (which I've not seen yet) seems to be too steered towards the general populous and as such has upset a lot of fans.

If we want TMNT films in this day and age they need financial backing from a strong studio. With CGI at such a high standard industry-wide, I don't think mainstream audiences would really accept animatronics or animation any more. And good CGI costs a lot of pennies.

What I don't think would work is a feature-length 2k3 episode. That show ran its course, exhausted options and declined in quality as a result (FF, BTTS etc).

However... If they could take the flavour of 2k3 (and Mirage) and apply it to a commercial formula that would make huge investment and backing by a strong studio viable, then I think it would work really well and give us something fresh.

[THGhost]

Yes that is true, the worst episode is one that is basically just 20 minutes of Cell and Gohan firing one Kamehameha at each other. And the source material is better as it has a better flow, that is also true.

Not true. This has to be the biggest lie I have ever seen on here.

Agreed. One of the greatest moments in the show's history right there.

[Raphies]

I voted maybe so. I'd love it of course, being that the 2k3 series is my favorite incarnation of turtles, but I think a Mirage one would be super cool too.

[Leofan26]

I'd love it, as long as they don't change it that it focuses on Raph like the films normally do.

Leo finally deserves a film which he is the star of, this would be it. I really liked the series too, not cuz Leo's my favorite but the way they did the story arcs was great. While I'm ok with the Nick version they tend to try and spread out those awesome important arcs as much as possible, adding filler episodes in between them which tends to cause them to forget the important aspects of those arcs.

At least with the 2003 series they knew how to keep things straight like that, my opinion though.

Edit;

Also to those who said D.B.Z sucked, be glad no obsessed fan is around here, they are tough to deal with on other peoples different opinions. I do agree though, Animation was awful at times for example a lot of the Gohan V.S Cell episodes were just, which is a shame cuz that's my all time favorite arc and what got me into Anime in the first place.

Looking back though, watching Dragon Ball after all that in my opinion towards the end in the Piccolo Jr arc had of the best fights. It also showed Goku really grew as a person, matured and learned new fighting skills and major improvements on his original moves. Too bad towards the end of D.B.Z kind of through all of Goku's character development out the window and kind of regressed a little, what a horrible father and husband / friend he turned out to be, sucks he was a much better being in the Dragon Ball series and till the end of the Buu saga. Who the heck leaves his family like that to train with some random kid who just barley started to know for years and just expects every thing to be peachy when he returns home?

Piccolo was a better father to Gohan than freakin Goku was, poor Goten ( Who was my least favorite of the new cast ) Grew up without pretty much one. He had to deal with his much more abusive mother instead. His only much needed parent like figure was Gohan sadly :cry:

[The True Shredder]

I'd love it, as long as they don't change it that it focuses on Raph like the films normally do.

Leo finally deserves a film which he is the star of, this would be it. I really liked the series too, not cuz Leo's my favorite but the way they did the story arcs was great. While I'm ok with the Nick version they tend to try and spread out those awesome important arcs as much as possible, adding filler episodes in between them which tends to cause them to forget the important aspects of those arcs.

At least with the 2003 series they knew how to keep things straight like that, my opinion though.

Edit;

Also to those who said D.B.Z sucked, be glad no obsessed fan is around here, they are tough to deal with on other peoples different opinions. I do agree though, Animation was awful at times for example a lot of the Gohan V.S Cell episodes were just, which is a shame cuz that's my all time favorite arc and what got me into Anime in the first place.

Looking back though, watching Dragon Ball after all that in my opinion towards the end in the Piccolo Jr arc had of the best fights. It also showed Goku really grew as a person, matured and learned new fighting skills and major improvements on his original moves. Too bad towards the end of D.B.Z kind of through all of Goku's character development out the window and kind of regressed a little, what a horrible father and husband / friend he turned out to be, sucks he was a much better being in the Dragon Ball series and till the end of the Buu saga. Who the heck leaves his family like that to train with some random kid who just barley started to know for years and just expects every thing to be peachy when he returns home?

Piccolo was a better father to Gohan than freakin Goku was, poor Goten ( Who was my least favorite of the new cast ) Grew up without pretty much one. He had to deal with his much more abusive mother instead. His only much needed parent like figure was Gohan sadly :cry:

Eh. I think Gohan got the worse end of the stick. At least Goten had a childhood friend to grow up with. At least Goten had a brother who protected him. Heck now that I think of it Gohan has a pretty crummy childhood. His dad rarely being there,Seeking Guidance from a Namekian and a little bald man, his studies,had to face way more villains than Goten ever did,and the loss of his dad. Sure Goten never spend quality time with Goku like Gohan but at least Goten could live without him. So in conclusion I find that Gohan's Childhood is tons worse than Goten for the following reasons above.

[tmntpower2k14]

Ew, no. Not an exact translation. What we actually got was vastly superior and more interesting than that show. 2k3 was a bastardized, watered down version of Mirage storyline. With heavy dosages of not so subtle Playmates Toys sales driven agenda.

- Horrendous dialogue? No thanks.
- Obnoxious, not funny Mikey? No thanks.
- One note Raphael? No thanks.
- Leonardo and the Turtlaires? No thanks.
- Krang Shredder? No thanks.
- Peter Laird scripting? No thanks.
- Matrix influence? No thanks

But, if they adapt anything from the 2k3 toon, I would prefer more of the Battle Nexus stuff. I think a live action version of the Turtles in a gladiator type setting (considering some of them already have gladiator type clothing as it is) would look bad ass on the big screen. Maybe even make it like The Hunger Games, TMNT style.
Great post. I agree. Good idea too, I think it would work as a film. Like Gaurdians of the Galaxy meets Hunger Games meets Ninja Turtles. Interesting melting pot there.

[neatoman]

Ew, no. Not an exact translation. What we actually got was vastly superior and more interesting than that show. 2k3 was a bastardized, watered down version of Mirage storyline. With heavy dosages of not so subtle Playmates Toys sales driven agenda.

- Horrendous dialogue? No thanks.
- Obnoxious, not funny Mikey? No thanks.
- One note Raphael? No thanks.
- Leonardo and the Turtlaires? No thanks.
- Krang Shredder? No thanks.
- Peter Laird scripting? No thanks.
- Matrix influence? No thanks


Bastardized? Watered down? The Mirage stories were diamonds in the rough at best. As for the toy thing, well that is to be expected with American animation, especially TMNT.
Also, "Krang" Shredder?
Matrix influence?
Really?

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I'd love to see a 2k3 movie.

Well we technically got that with Turtles Forever.

[Powder]

Was it really worth bumping this thread to say that? :trazz:

[Refractive Reflections]

Wasn't Turtles Forever supposed to be a series finale "movie" of the series anyways? :-?

Or maybe I'm reading this incorrectly, are you asking for a movie that has numerous elements and a tone from 2K3 and has its own universe OR a movie that has continuity with the 2K3 universe (which would make it a sequel to Turtles Forever then)?

Because if it's the first option, then... couldn't somebody argue to consider the Mirage source as well since 2K3 has a significant amount of Mirage elements that were modified for an audience of kids? ...Then it would lead to comparing it to the 1990 movie, in terms of the direction of the plot and how substantially different they are.

But for me, I wouldn't care for a 2K3 movie because although the story writing was superb, the characterizations and melodrama are what drag it down for me, with 2K3 Raph and Mikey being the most loathsome to me (with Raph being a rageaholic and Mikey's loud idiocy), how brutish 2K3 Casey was depcited, 2K3 Leo having too much screen time and character development compared to the other Turtles, and how the melodrama undermines a lot of the show's serious tone and makes it unintentionally hilarious (funnier than the actual designated humor within the show). In addition to the annoying, constant reintroduction of a newer "badass" Shredder within the series (Utrom Shredder, Cyber Shredder, Tengu Shredder, Karai Shredder, etc.). I'm not saying I wouldn't watch it eventually, but I certainly wouldn't be enthusiastic to see it.