Does Avatar: The Last Airbender get better?

[CyberCubed]

So after all this time of ignoring the show I couldn't take the hype online so I finally decided to break down and watch it, with the intention of watching Korra after it.

I only watched the first two episodes so far. Overall, the show is much more lighter in tone than I expected. It almost seems like a kiddie show, with the characters having fun slapstick fights with each other instead of serious fighting. Aang seems like Goku only stupider, and Katara is the typical girl protagonist you see in a million other shows. The fights (at least in the first two episodes) were silly with character poking each other with sticks and making anime expressions when they got hit instead of showing serious damage or being hurt in any way.

It almost reminds me of Teen Titans, just not as funny. I thought this show was more along the lines of Gargoyles and Young Justice? Does the tone/story of the show pick up, or does it remain like it is in the first two episodes? Also I hate the fact that "shipping" has reeked its ugly head already in the first two episodes, with Katara teased about Aang being her boyfriend. Shipping...ALREADY, in the first two episodes. Ugh, guess it gives those girls on tumblr something to post 10 page rants about. :roll:

[Peanut]

Yes, clown. Watch two episodes of a 50+ episode show and immediately write it off? Give me a break.

I watched it at the behest of Cure years ago and it took me around 8 or so episodes before I really got into it. It's incredible. I didn't read the rest of your nonsense, because it's probably bullsh*t.

[Darthchubby]

Of course it's a kid show. But it gets better as it progresses. Keep watching it and I think you'll enjoy it.

[Jester]

As you tell everyone with regards to the FW series, give it more than 2 episodes before calling it quits....

[CyberCubed]

So I watched episode 3, this one was a bit better than the first two. So is Prince Zucco the "Vegeta" of this series? The bad guy who turns good? They're already painting him as someone to root for given he had to beat the other Fire guy and is viewed as honorable along with his uncle.

He also has Robin's voice from Teen Titans, so I figure he's the typical "badass anime character" who turns good and sides with the heroes at some point.

Aang is really putting me off due to reminding me of a cross between Goku and Krillin from DBZ. Also does Katara's brother ever amount to anything but comic relief? He really does nothing but constantly becomes a running joke of losing/failing at everything he does.

[BabyTurtles]

So I watched episode 3, this one was a bit better than the first two. So is Prince Zucco the "Vegeta" of this series? The bad guy who turns good? They're already painting him as someone to root for given he had to beat the other Fire guy and is viewed as honorable along with his uncle.

He also has Robin's voice from Teen Titans, so I figure he's the typical "badass anime character" who turns good and sides with the heroes at some point.

Aang is really putting me off due to reminding me of a cross between Goku and Krillin from DBZ. Also does Katara's brother ever amount to anything but comic relief? He really does nothing but constantly becomes a running joke of losing/failing at everything he does.

1) Zuko (that's how you spell it ^_^) is voiced by Dante Basco not Robin from Teen Titans.

2) Aang is childish at first but learns that the world is on his shoulders and becomes mature

3)Sokka is more than comic relief, he's pretty much the leader of the team. He's the strategist and common sense of the group

4) Katara is one of the best heroines of all time (keep watching)

5) season one is the most light-hearted season but it picks up with each episode~

[TurtleTitan97]

It's ironic how he's complaining how "childish" Avatar is after just 3 episodes, but when it comes to the OT he'll defend it to the bitter end when someone calls out how kiddie it can be at times.

[Darthchubby]

It's ironic how he's complaining how "childish" Avatar is after just 3 episodes, but when it comes to the OT he'll defend it to the bitter end when someone calls out how kiddie it can be at times.

As much as I love the original Turtles cartoon if you start to compare it to Avatar it won't be pretty. I think when it comes to toons the only Turtles one that compares is the 2003 version. Maybe it fell off in some episodes/seasons but of the three it's been the most consistent.

[snake]

Kids acting like kids in a show aimed at kids.


The series does mature though.

[sdp]

I enjoyed the premise of the show since the first episodes since it seemed like a fun cartoon and I would've enjoyed a whole show like that. However the show surprises you by being so much more, Young Justice and even Gargoyles aren't as good as this show, that's how good Avatar is. The show gets a lot better.

If you don't like the anime expressions then too bad since those will continue, it's very Teen Titan-esque in that regard even if it doesn't go to such extremes as TT did, I like it but if you don't you'll have to deal with it if you enjoy the show. It knows how to use it correctly though and not overuse it. And if you don't like "shipping" then you'll also have to endure that since there's plenty of that, I personally loved it and it was done very well, it's not as annoying as the shipping in the new TMNT cartoon or most cartoons for that matter.

[plastroncafe]

You should stop watching it now.
It doesn't get any better.
Just...don't even bother.

You're going to hate it.

[CyberCubed]

Also I don't understand why Katara went on a rant about her brother being sexist in the first episode. It almost seems like that scene was only thrown in there to attract tumblr feminists to the show.

[Cure]

It almost seems like that scene was only thrown in there to attract tumblr feminists to the show.

Tumblr was founded in 2007. The show started in 2005. Sh*thead.

[Peanut]

Yeah, a show that came out before Tumblr even existed was trying to cater to Tumblr.

[sdp]

I guess that means that Tumblr was created for Feminist Avatar fans, we now have a legit reason to dislike the show despite of its quality.

[Davetello]

I've only seen the first season. I quite enjoyed it, though.

[BabyTurtles]

Also I don't understand why Katara went on a rant about her brother being sexist in the first episode. It almost seems like that scene was only thrown in there to attract tumblr feminists to the show.

Sokka being sexist in the first episodes of Avatar was a character flaw he had, it's something he learns to stop being...not just something they put in for Katara to yell at so she could break the ice for Aang or.....for feminist.

[Mona_Lisa]

Of course it's a kid show. But it gets better as it progresses. Keep watching it and I think you'll enjoy it.

It gets better, and darker but it is still a kids show. Just an awesome one.:D That said it takes more that two episodes to get into it! I loved Avatar: The last airbender! I'm not a fan of the legend of Korra...

Also I don't understand why Katara went on a rant about her brother being sexist in the first episode. It almost seems like that scene was only thrown in there to attract tumblr feminists to the show.

Well I'm NOT a feminist (even though I'm a girl) But Kataras brother was sexist, lol! He thought women were basically helpless and had to have men to protect them at all times!

[CyberCubed]

I loved Avatar: The last airbender! I'm not a fan of the legend of Korra...

Yeah I've heard Korra isn't as good, which is a shame because I liked the fact that a female was the lead of that one. I'm not too fond of Aang so far, he reminds me too much of all those silly anime heroes which is what he's based on.

Also can't stand the fact that he's bald, like those bald monks Krillin is based on. I really wish this show wasn't done in anime style but traditional american animation instead, I'm not too fond of imitation anime.

[Peanut]

Can we all please just start ignoring him? Please?

[Netkeeper]

How about watching more than a few episodes before you start your complain-fest? At least wait until you get to meet Toph [who is the best character].

[ssjup81]

I've never seen this show, but have heard good things about it. Maybe you should finish out a season to see how it goes and then give a full opinion then and if you'd like to continue the series.

[CyberCubed]

Watched the next two episodes. Sokka fighting those Kabuki women and bringing up the sexist card again is getting old already. Does this show really need to beat us over the head that women can be strong fighters? OK, we get it. Women are just as good as men, there are no gender stereotypes in this show. Its almost as bad as those eco-preaching shows about pollution and recycling.

The other episode about Aang meeting his crazy friend as the king and going through tests was alright. The fight scene at the end was nice, even if I notice there's hardly any contact in this show as its mostly about avoiding attacks.

Show is actually starting to remind me of Pokemon, especially with the traveling aspect and meeting a new animal every episode. Previous one had that giant fish/serpent, this episode with the rabbits in the test, etc.

When does Katara get her own episode? She really hasn't done much so far.

[Sage Ninja]

Also I don't understand why Katara went on a rant about her brother being sexist in the first episode. It almost seems like that scene was only thrown in there to attract tumblr feminists to the show.

Wow shut up already. Sometimes I think people treat you unfairly but man you really do say some pretty stupid ignorant crap sometimes. I wonder at times if you are genuine or just trolling. If you watch the show long enough you will see that her "sexist" comment is not arbitrary and actually comes into play culturally in regards to the northern water tribe. But if the mere mention of a character being sexist is enough for you to get riled and start announcing how it is meant to attract a fanatical group on a piece of **** blogging site (a narrow minded fanaticism you display in general on regular basis I might add), then don't watch the rest of the season because it becomes a plot point later on.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder at times if you are genuine or just trolling. If you watch the show long enough you will see that her "sexist" comment is not arbitrary and actually comes into play culturally in regards to the northern water tribe.

Well I'm not that far in the show yet, I can only judge what I've seen. Obviously I'm not reading spoilers or anything yet.

Is the whole first season just about Zuko and the fire tribe trying to capture Aang? I hope there's more variety than that in 20 episodes.

[ssjup81]

What are some good points about the show so far?

[Netkeeper]

In the time you've spent complaining, I could have been halfway through the whole show by now.

[MrTMNT2012]

Watch Episode 13: The Storm.

Then try to stop watching the series from that point on. It's impossible.

[MrTMNT2012]

I actually like the format Cubed is taking with this. We can see how different his first impression will be from his final! :)

[Cure]

I actually like the format Cubed is taking with this. We can see how different his first impression will be from his final! :)

I can almost guarantee it won't change.

[MrTMNT2012]

I can almost guarantee it won't change.

I'll bet on it. Even I hated Avatar during it's first few episodes!

[plastroncafe]

If you like reading first impressions of A:tLA, Mark Reads, Nostalgia Critic, and The Mary Sue are a better bet.

[snake]

Can we all please just start ignoring him? Please?

I've done that a long time ago.

[CyberCubed]

In the time you've spent complaining, I could have been halfway through the whole show by now.

I'm only going to be watching 3-4 episodes a day, I have no time to marathon through more than that. I don't like "rushing" through shows either, especially for ones I've never seen before.

Lastly I have a full-time job and I like to play videogames in my time off, so I'm not using all my free time just for Avatar.

[Leofan26]

Yeah I've heard Korra isn't as good, which is a shame because I liked the fact that a female was the lead of that one. I'm not too fond of Aang so far, he reminds me too much of all those silly anime heroes which is what he's based on.

Also can't stand the fact that he's bald, like those bald monks Krillin is based on. I really wish this show wasn't done in anime style but traditional american animation instead, I'm not too fond of imitation anime.
:lol:
Ok, if you continue watching the series Aang gets more mature as the series moves on.

Also, don't go just on other people's opinions, granted in my opinion the first two seasons of Korra weren't as good as the previous series the third season is hard to ignore, I think you'll really enjoy that one.

Let me ask you one question though, what do you consider kiddie? This show gets darker and darker as it goes on.

Why are you even comparing this show to Dragon Ball Z? That doesn't make sense in the slightest, they are two completely different shows. I hated when fans of Naruto compared the two but that made more sense than comparing it to Dragon Ball Z :lol:

[MrTMNT2012]

I already said this but I think Korra is vastly superior to Avatar even I though I prefer the original characters like Zuko. It just took it's audience seriously from the start and kept making bold choices after bold choices. It's definitely more mature and darker in tone but the humour is WAY weaker than Avatar...

[plastroncafe]

I'll give Korra credit where credit is due.
It did take bold stances on things, and has some amazing additions to the world.

The first two books are paced horribly. While I like many of the major plot points and much of the A Stories, the B Stories suffer a lot.

The first two Book of Korra are not as good as they could have been.
Book Three, however, is fantastic from beginning to end.

[MrTMNT2012]

Book: Earth is still my favourite overall! The writing and character development in that season rivals some of the best TV Dramas.

[Peanut]

If there's a human being alive who can make it through season 1 and 2 of Avatar and then not feel ANYTHING during the incredible developments of season 3, they are a monster. It is perhaps the only show I've been completely and 100% satisfied with by its conclusion.

And this is coming from someone who literally took DAYS to finish the first episode, because I kept falling asleep. It took me close to a month to get 5 or 6 episodes in. The stories, the characters and the general writing get stronger and more engaging as they go.

[pharaohyami5000]

Try to focus on the main plot of the show before you get distracted by judging characters, animation, personalities and the story or compare it to something else.

I've watched my fair share of anime before Avatar was released, and though I usually watch one episode per day just to test the waters, this is one of the many series I found myself wanting to watch 2+ episodes because I'm curious on what's going to happen next. It's the same mindset I had when I watched TMNT 2k3 due to it being pretty endearing and wanting more of it.

I've yet to watch Korra because I'm actually waiting for it to get near the end, which I think today is the right time for me to begin.

[CyberCubed]

The next episode with that Earth bender held prisoner on the fire nation oil tanker or whatever it was, was OK. Do any of these characters ever come back? Or are they just one-episode characters you never see again? Katara giving a speech about people believing themselves felt like something I've seen before in a dozen other shows.

The next episode with the spirit world was a bit better, until they revealed that giant monster was a panda bear. Aang is also still kinda annoying, I think its honestly his voice and the cueball head of his.

The one character I really like is Zuko's uncle, who seems like a nicely developed character. I don't understand who we're supposed to root for. Some episodes paint the entire fire nation as evil warlords and others paint Zuko/Uncle as good guys and the Earth benders as menacing.

Is the entire fire nation comprised of evil people?

[Leofan26]

The next episode with that Earth bender held prisoner on the fire nation oil tanker or whatever it was, was OK. Do any of these characters ever come back? Or are they just one-episode characters you never see again? Katara giving a speech about people believing themselves felt like something I've seen before in a dozen other shows.

The next episode with the spirit world was a bit better, until they revealed that giant monster was a panda bear. Aang is also still kinda annoying, I think its honestly his voice and the cueball head of his.

The one character I really like is Zuko's uncle, who seems like a nicely developed character. I don't understand who we're supposed to root for. Some episodes paint the entire fire nation as evil warlords and others paint Zuko/Uncle as good guys and the Earth benders as menacing.

Is the entire fire nation comprised of evil people?

Woo hoo Cybs, that's the point. You don't know who to root for, not every thing is black and white in the world.

I'll give you an example that you'd be able to understand in, Karai from the turtles series.

You really shouldn't judge a character by the way they look, poor Aang :lol:

[MrTMNT2012]

EVERYTHING in these seemingly one-off episodes come back! Don't want to spoil it but they all play a bigger role later...

Glad you took a liking to Uncle Iroh. He and Prince Zuko are my favourite duo characters in any media!

[Redeemer]

Yeah I've heard Korra isn't as good, which is a shame because I liked the fact that a female was the lead of that one. I'm not too fond of Aang so far, he reminds me too much of all those silly anime heroes which is what he's based on.

Also can't stand the fact that he's bald, like those bald monks Krillin is based on. I really wish this show wasn't done in anime style but traditional american animation instead, I'm not too fond of imitation anime.

I actually think Legend of Korra is better.

Season 2 is were this series hits its stride, but the middle of season 1 is were it gains its steam keep watching and you will enjoy it.
The show is a little lighter than Korra, but still delivers a solid tone.

[CyberCubed]

That's what I'm noticing about these early Season 1 episodes...they're rather slow. The only thing that's happening is Aang and the group are trying to get to the North Pole, and Zuco and his Uncle are following them in every episode. But they always get sidetracked by whatever village/people they come across.

Its honestly reminding me of Pokemon. Aang and co discover a village/people to help, Zuco and his Uncle are desperately tailing them and are one step behind, and there's some new animal introduced in every episode.

Is the entire show like this or is this only the early season 1 episodes? Please tell me things pick up when they hit the North pole.

[MrTMNT2012]

Lol we have people complaining Avatar is too slow and people complaining Korra is too fast. It will never stop!

But I'd say from Episode 13 onwards is where the show really shines. The way they tied both back-stories was some of the most ingenious writing I've ever seen!

[Peanut]

Typical autistic man child comparing everything to Pokemon. Surprise!

[Prowler]

Why don't you just watch several episodes before judging the show or discuss each episode in a forum or a community for Avatar fans? From the looks of it, you sound like you want to dislike it from the head start. With that kind of attitude no wonder.

And how can you love the Pokémon anime so much when it's been the same thing for over a decade now?

[CyberCubed]

Why don't you just watch several episodes before judging the show or discuss each episode in a forum or a community for Avatar fans? From the looks of it, you sound like you want to dislike it from the head start. With that kind of attitude no wonder.

I'd rather not join any Avatar forums, I tend not to join fandoms when I know little about a series. The only reason I finally started watching this show is seeing the constant praise for it online, and I'm curious to see what the hype was about.

And how can you love the Pokémon anime so much when it's been the same thing for over a decade now?

Pokemon is a guilty pleasure for most people, mainly because of the nostalgia. Obviously if I watched Pokemon now for the first time at my age I probably wouldn't like it.

[Prowler]

Well just finish it before you decide to comment on it. And you could have easily googled such a question. I bet you're not the first person to ask this about a popular show.

Eh, fair enough about Pokémon, I guess. Although most people seem to drop it after a generation for a reason. It's just something to milk the cash cow. Personally, even as a kid, I didn't like the Pokémon anime much.

[CyberCubed]

Well just finish it before you decide to comment on it. And you could have easily googled such a question. I bet you're not the first person to ask this about a popular show. h.

I also tend not to join fandoms because of shippers. No matter what fandom it is, if there's a popular male/female pairing in the show the shippers are absolutely bat-**** over it.

Such crazy people obsessing over cartoon characters relationships, probably because they try to vicariously live through said characters because they have no real life relationships of their own. Shippers ruin every fandom.

[Prowler]

I also tend not to join fandoms because of shippers. No matter what fandom it is, if there's a popular male/female pairing in the show the shippers are absolutely bat-**** over it.

Such crazy people obsessing over cartoon characters relationships, probably because they try to vicariously live through said characters because they have no real life relationships of their own. Shippers ruin every fandom.
This is gonna turn into another "anime and their fans suck" thread, isn't it?

[Redeemer]

That's what I'm noticing about these early Season 1 episodes...they're rather slow. The only thing that's happening is Aang and the group are trying to get to the North Pole, and Zuco and his Uncle are following them in every episode. But they always get sidetracked by whatever village/people they come across.

Its honestly reminding me of Pokemon. Aang and co discover a village/people to help, Zuco and his Uncle are desperately tailing them and are one step behind, and there's some new animal introduced in every episode.

Is the entire show like this or is this only the early season 1 episodes? Please tell me things pick up when they hit the North pole.

:lol: its funny bc its sort of resemble it :lol: but the show speeds up and really hit its stride in season 2, the show gets progressively faster, season 3 is actually a little to fast paced for me.

[Netkeeper]

Typical autistic man child comparing everything to Pokemon. Surprise!
A lot of people have talked about the similarities between ATLA and Pokémon, really. In the beginning, they are pretty similar.

[But wait until you meet Tooooph]

[Leofan26]

A lot of people have talked about the similarities between ATLA and Pokémon, really. In the beginning, they are pretty similar.

[But wait until you meet Tooooph]

Pokemon? I've never seen any one compare these two, back when Naruto part one was going I remember fans hating on one another at some point.

If any thing, we'd get Digimon V.S Pokemon fans and still do :lol:

I'd say it hits it's peak in the season one final, than after that it keeps getting better.

Zuko is a fan favorite of the series, you might have your ups and downs with his character though as it goes on :lol:

Earth is a blast, my favorite season :D

[CyberCubed]

Judging only by the first 10 episodes so far, it really does resemble Pokemon.

Aang's personality is similar to Ash, Katara seems similar to Misty (especially with the water element), and while Sokka isn't that like Brock, his view of girls is somewhat similar.

Likewise all the trio is doing is traveling slowly from place to place getting distracted by villagers/people to help. Meanwhile Zuko and his uncle are like Team Rocket, constantly trailing the trio only one step behind, with them only being competent for the most part. And then there's a new animal introduced every episode.

I don't know how much this show changes overtime, but these first 10 episodes seems like Pokemon only with the humans fighting instead of their animal friends.

[Peanut]

Yeah, remember that time Ash went to Pallet town and found the remains of his mentor, then totally lost his sh*t after realizing everyone he knew or cared about was dead? Or that time he had to cross enemy lines to commune with the spirit of his past life, only to find the situation is much worse than he feared? How about all those times the things that happened to Ash early in his journey had significant impact on future events? And Team Rocket, right? Such a rich and detailed backstory! They totally evolve as complex individuals as the story progresses. Also, it does totally revolve around the unique qualities of a single animal in every episode, not used to add a unique flavour and help build the world the fiction takes place in. And even though absolutely nothing else matters outside of the animal of the week, all of that very real character development and foundation laying REALLY pay off down the line. Ash, Misty and Brock aren't the same characters hundreds of episodes later.

They're like exactly the same thing! Wow!

[Redeemer]

Judging only by the first 10 episodes so far, it really does resemble Pokemon.

Aang's personality is similar to Ash, Katara seems similar to Misty (especially with the water element), and while Sokka isn't that like Brock, his view of girls is somewhat similar.

Likewise all the trio is doing is traveling slowly from place to place getting distracted by villagers/people to help. Meanwhile Zuko and his uncle are like Team Rocket, constantly trailing the trio only one step behind, with them only being competent for the most part. And then there's a new animal introduced every episode.

I don't know how much this show changes overtime, but these first 10 episodes seems like Pokemon only with the humans fighting instead of their animal friends.
I guess the personalities are slightly similar and share some other common elements, but this show is on another level, but yeah them traveling at a snails pace in season one and being trailed by baddies is similar to pokemon at times :lol:

Yeah, remember that time Ash went to Pallet town and found the remains of his mentor, then totally lost his sh*t after realizing everyone he knew or cared about was dead? Or that time he had to cross enemy lines to commune with the spirit of his past life, only to find the situation is much worse than he feared?

Seriously right?? I am a sucker for sarcasm. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

Watching the next few episodes, why doesn't the fire bending cause any serious damage? Everytime I see it used it just "blows back" your opponent instead of causing serious burns.

I also don't get why they made Aang's quest of learning the elements a big deal when he picked up water bending almost immediately. So why is mastering the elements so hard if Aang was able to learn water bending in less than a minute?

Also, were those pirates supposed to be gay? They all had red lips and one of them was about to pull down his pants when he stole Zuko's ship. They were all constantly smiling too. Although I do like that there is another band of villains out there not connected to the fire nation if they return.

[BabyTurtles]

Watching the next few episodes, why doesn't the fire bending cause any serious damage? Everytime I see it used it just "blows back" your opponent instead of causing serious burns.

I also don't get why they made Aang's quest of learning the elements a big deal when he picked up water bending almost immediately. So why is mastering the elements so hard if Aang was able to learn water bending in less than a minute?

Also, were those pirates supposed to be gay? They all had red lips and one of them was about to pull down his pants when he stole Zuko's ship. They were all constantly smiling too. Although I do like that there is another band of villains out there not connected to the fire nation if they return.

1) why doesn't fire bending cause serious damage? Look at Zuko's face! XD

2) he learns how to waterbend quickly (it is THE quickest element he learns other than Airbending) but knowing how to do it...and mastering it are 2 different things. Later on you'll see Aang have trouble with the other elements (earth and fire) for their own special reasons.

3) They are just happy to be pirates....:ohwell:

[Mona_Lisa]

I think the anime is going to start picking up for you now, and it will break away from your Pokémon theme! :D I'm glad you are giving the anime a chance.

Actually you have already watched more of Avatar than I have Korra. I just couldn't MAKE myself watch it... But if everyone keeps saying how good it is I'll probably try again.

Most of these seemingly side characters come back by the way, And the main characters do develop and change. ;)

[CyberCubed]

Is Korra really that bad compared to Avatar? I mean the show is good for what it is, but I haven't been blown away or anything.

Maybe if I watched Avatar when it aired back in 2005 I would have liked it. I think I was only 19 back in 2005, maybe it would have resonated with me more.

[pharaohyami5000]

Well, I'll be watching Korra soon to find out.

Doesn't matter what age to begin any show with, really. If they catch your eyes, then you have reasons to continue with it.

[CyberCubed]

You know I can't believe this show is nearly a decade old. This show came out when the 4kids TMNT cartoon was in Season 4. I didn't realize this show aired so long ago.

2005 feels like just yesterday for me but then I realize that was nearly a decade ago. Damn.

[ssjup81]

Is Korra really that bad compared to Avatar? I mean the show is good for what it is, but I haven't been blown away or anything.

Maybe if I watched Avatar when it aired back in 2005 I would have liked it. I think I was only 19 back in 2005, maybe it would have resonated with me more.I don't think it would matter much. When Rocket Power came out, for example, I was in my late teens. I only watched the show because I used to babysit my, then, 5/6 year-old cousin at the time. Despite not being in the age range of the series, I thought it was a nice little show.

I couldn't get into the 2k3 Turtles series when that was out. I was pushing 22 then. Seems I would've, but it didn't grasp me and seems it would've given my age at the time. I guess it wasn't lighthearted enough or something.

[CyberCubed]

This might be nitpicking but why did they name seasons as "books" and episodes as "chapters?"

I don't think I've ever seen a show call a season a "book." Why did they do this since as far as I know this was a cartoon first and not based on any novels

Were they trying to attract the Harry Potter crowd? Given back in 2005 the Harry Potter craze was still going and the cast has similarities to them I wouldn't be surprised.

[MrTMNT2012]

This might be nitpicking but why did they name seasons as "books" and episodes as "chapters?"

I don't think I've ever seen a show call a season a "book." Why did they do this since as far as I know this was a cartoon first and not based on any novels

Were they trying to attract the Harry Potter crowd? Given back in 2005 the Harry Potter craze was still going and the cast has similarities to them I wouldn't be surprised.

Wow. You're a real life Douchey McNitpick! Literally, the same exact characteristics...

[TurtleTitan97]

This might be nitpicking

Might be? It pretty much is nitpicking! :trolleye: Every single one of your posts so far have been nothing but nitpicking!

Seriously, who the bloody heck cares about something like that? Are seriously going to just post nothing except minor nitpickings that no one else cares about and not even concentrate on the good? :trolleye:

[Allio]

This might be nitpicking but why did they name seasons as "books" and episodes as "chapters?"

I don't think I've ever seen a show call a season a "book." Why did they do this since as far as I know this was a cartoon first and not based on any novels


They do this alot with japanese shows

in Super Sentai, the show call their episodes

Magiranger = Lesson
Boukenger = Adventure
Go-Busters = Mission
etc. etc

[ssjup81]

They do this alot with japanese shows

in Super Sentai, the show call their episodes

Magiranger = Lesson
Boukenger = Adventure
Go-Busters = Mission
etc. etcAdding on, in some Japanese they refer to them as Acts, like a play.

[CyberCubed]

I still don't understand the fire nation. So apparently all the soldiers are always portrayed as evil, vicious and bloodthirsy (half the characters talk about how their parents were killed by the fire nation), yet they show a few villagers where the people are innocent?

Why would every single soldier be evil? Are only the women, children and elderly fire nation people "good?"

[Netkeeper]

War is a pretty devastating, evil thing.

[BabyTurtles]

I still don't understand the fire nation. So apparently all the soldiers are always portrayed as evil, vicious and bloodthirsy (half the characters talk about how their parents were killed by the fire nation), yet they show a few villagers where the people are innocent?

Why would every single soldier be evil? Are only the women, children and elderly fire nation people "good?"

the fire nation as a whole isn't "evil"

the soldiers are just listening to their king.
-whether they are afraid to say anything against the Firelord
-or are just used to colonizing now since it's been the norm for 100 years.
-or maybe they'd rather be on the winning side?

nothing is really black or white in this series, you have to watch it to figure out why the fire nation is like this....and how they got this way.

one thing I can say is, the fire nation feels like they are superior to other nations (if you haven't already figured that out)

[CyberCubed]

Just watched, "The Great Divide" and it was another boring filler episode. I liked the giant bugs, but that was about it. What's the point of these episodes? Another villagers/problem of the week to be solved in 20 minutes? And the ending was kinda dumb.

Are there more fillers like this throughout the show? I don't get the point of these episodes. Maybe this show should have only been 30 episodes instead of 61.

[Leofan26]

Just watched, "The Great Divide" and it was another boring filler episode. I liked the giant bugs, but that was about it. What's the point of these episodes? Another villagers/problem of the week to be solved in 20 minutes? And the ending was kinda dumb.

Are there more fillers like this throughout the show? I don't get the point of these episodes. Maybe this show should have only been 30 episodes instead of 61.

Why are you acting like it's your first show you've ever watched with fillers?

Your a Pokemon fan right? That has tons, same type too pretty much. A lot of Anime does matter of fact.

This show has it's fillers yes but that's not what it's about.

[BabyTurtles]

Just watched, "The Great Divide" and it was another boring filler episode. I liked the giant bugs, but that was about it. What's the point of these episodes? Another villagers/problem of the week to be solved in 20 minutes? And the ending was kinda dumb.

Are there more fillers like this throughout the show? I don't get the point of these episodes. Maybe this show should have only been 30 episodes instead of 61.

Those are character building episode. Showing Aang trying to be a peacemaker like the Avatar sometimes needs to be.

I think the great divide is the most random episode of the whole avatar series though, not gonna lie.

[Netkeeper]

I don't understand why "filler" is ever a problem. Why do people get so pissed off about it? Do you just want every show you watch to end that quickly? I don't get it, I watch a show to watch as much of it as possible -- the longer the better.

[Davetello]

I don't understand why "filler" is ever a problem. Why do people get so pissed off about it? Do you just want every show you watch to end that quickly? I don't get it, I watch a show to watch as much of it as possible -- the longer the better.

I think he's implying that he wouldn't rather there were fewer episodes, but that 'filler' eps were used for more plot and character development which contributes to the general story. I haven't seen past the first season so I don't know if that applies here, but I think that's what he means.

[Redeemer]

I still don't understand the fire nation. So apparently all the soldiers are always portrayed as evil, vicious and bloodthirsy (half the characters talk about how their parents were killed by the fire nation), yet they show a few villagers where the people are innocent?

Why would every single soldier be evil? Are only the women, children and elderly fire nation people "good?"

Cyeber if you want to watch the show then watch it. Stop going in with a prejudgment, just enjoy it for what it is. I mean you are going in trying to find any and every reason to hate this show, if you don't want to watch it then don't watch it. Season 1 has a few stale episodes, but it is a great show.

[CyberCubed]

I looked online and apparently the Divide is considered the worst episode of the series by Avatar fandom fans.

I guess that really was a bad episode. I did like the previous episode with Jet and the tree villages.

[PAAATE]

To me, there's one outright bad episode in each season (which is an amazing hit/miss ratio, btw)
Season 1: The Great Divide
Season 2: Avatar Day
Season 3: Nightmares and Daydreams

All of them written by John O'Bryan who is my least favorite writer of the series. Even his good episodes are usually not up to par with episodes from other writers.

[BabyTurtles]

To me, there's one outright bad episode in each season (which is an amazing hit/miss ratio, btw)
Season 1: The Great Divide
Season 2: Avatar Day
Season 3: Nightmares and Daydreams

All of them written by John O'Bryan who is my least favorite writer of the series. Even his good episodes are usually not up to par with episodes from other writers.

Hey! Nightmares and Daydreams was funny XD

[MrTMNT2012]

Hey! Nightmares and Daydreams was funny XD

I'd argue terrifying is a more fitting description. I mean, did you see Aang's final nightmare? :teek:

[CyberCubed]

Out of curiosity how old were you all when you watched Avatar for the first time? I feel I needed to see this show when I was still a teenager to get into it.

[BabyTurtles]

Out of curiosity how old were you all when you watched Avatar for the first time? I feel I needed to see this show when I was still a teenager to get into it.

That's it!! go to your room!
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/313/740/110.gif

Avatar is a show for all ages! How can you enjoy TMNT 2012 and say that!

[PAAATE]

Out of curiosity how old were you all when you watched Avatar for the first time? I feel I needed to see this show when I was still a teenager to get into it.

When was the TMNT 2012 show announced? I always hated Nickelodeon shows as a kid, so I watched A:TLA to get an idea of what an action show on Nick could be.

Then I could stand the Nick TMNT show for about three episodes before I had to either give up or shoot myself, hahah... But at least they made me watch A:TLA, so I'm grateful.

(It should be noted, I gave up on A:TLA, too, after the first season, but after a few weeks I missed the characters and had to return... Good thing I did!)

[Peanut]

Just stop replying to this thread, kids. He's baiting.

[Netkeeper]

Out of curiosity how old were you all when you watched Avatar for the first time? I feel I needed to see this show when I was still a teenager to get into it.
20 or 21. I didn't watch it until it was already over so I could binge the whole series in three days. It was so worth it.

[CyberCubed]

When was the TMNT 2012 show announced? I always hated Nickelodeon shows as a kid, so I watched A:TLA to get an idea of what an action show on Nick could be.

Then I could stand the Nick TMNT show for about three episodes before I had to either give up or shoot myself, hahah... But at least they made me watch A:TLA, so I'm grateful.

(It should be noted, I gave up on A:TLA, too, after the first season, but after a few weeks I missed the characters and had to return... Good thing I did!)

Nick Turtles has strong characterization IMO. Probably because Teen Titans did too.

I find it interesting so many people nearly gave up on Avatar in the first season. I intend to watch the show to the end but I guess I am not alone in feeling the show had a slow start.

[MrTMNT2012]

I find it interesting so many people nearly gave up on Avatar in the first season. I intend to watch the show to the end but I guess I am not alone in feeling the show had a slow start.

I don't think anyone 'nearly' gave up on Avatar in it's first season. Hell, 'The Storm' Episode had more and better characterisation than the entire Nickelodeon line-up until Korra came along.

That one episode is still written better than the entirety of the 2003 TMNT Or 2012 TMNT Series and I love both of those...

[Jester]

*reads thread*
I'm beginning to wonder if the reason Cubed is having a less than stellar time with Avatar is because it can't possibly live up to the status given it by its fans.

[BabyTurtles]

*reads thread*
I'm beginning to wonder if the reason Cubed is having a less than stellar time with Avatar is because it can't possibly live up to the status given it by its fans.

lol maybe we hyped it up too much? :D

it's probably because we watched all the seasons and haven seen everything come together nicely~

but I guess for people who are new to it might not understand our love.

[Peanut]

*reads thread*
I'm beginning to wonder if the reason Cubed is having a less than stellar time with Avatar is because it can't possibly live up to the status given it by its fans.

No, it's because it's CyberCubed.

And seriously? You can pretty much come to that same conclusion for ANYTHING, especially if it's incredibly popular. It's the Internet. Some people are overly sensitive and apologists for everything. Some are overly critical pricks who live to be negative.

[Jester]

No, it's because it's CyberCubed.

And seriously? You can pretty much come to that same conclusion for ANYTHING, especially if it's incredibly popular. It's the Internet.
Point taken. I plan on watching TLAB at some point...I just hope it lives up to the hype.

[CyberCubed]

Point taken. I plan on watching TLAB at some point...I just hope it lives up to the hype.

It honestly feels like a mix of Pokemon and Harry Potter to me.

Katarra feels like Misty and Hermonie combined into one character. Aang is both Ash and Harry Potter, and Sokka is the third wheel guy.

[sdp]

There's plenty of movies and shows that I've been let down on because of internet hype and I expected too much. But Avatar really is the bests show for me to come out of the 2000's beating JLU(DCAU in general), TMNT 2k3 or any other great show from that decade and I started watching it because of recommendations. The show definitely did somethings I would've done differently but I won't post any spoilers right now. I've yet to watch Korra but I'm not a fan of steampunk nor the universe of Avatar evolving technologically so quickly when we had seen centuries had passed with technology staying relatively the same..You don't expect a sequel to Lord of the Rings to have made it to the industrial revolution. Too bad the movie is so bad as it could've made a great live action series. Hope we get to see more of this universe after Korra though since it's pretty interesting.

I thought the great divide was a cute fun episode. Which brings me to my next point, I love story arcs as much as the next person but to me not every episode has to be a story arc and having every episode be part of a story arc is not beneficial to every story. The whole "filler" episode is a good description for some episodes that doesn't mean that all "stand alone" episodes are filler. I love stand alone episodes and many of my favorite episodes of serialized shows are that and definitely not filler. Take any superhero show, or even Avatar, they can have adventures that are not part of the overall arc and it fits perfectly within the story, in fact it makes sense and helps build the characters than if everything is a story arc.

[Peanut]

A lot of those Avatar "filler" episodes contain great character moments/development, which is something I think Korra misses by having every episode matter to the overall story arc.

[BabyTurtles]

A lot of those Avatar "filler" episodes contain great character moments/development, which is something I think Korra misses by having every episode matter to the overall story arc.

I think LOK needed more filler episodes....some friendship/character building episodes.....it would have made everything so much better.

There's no episode to just appreciate the characters for who they are.

[Leofan26]

It honestly feels like a mix of Pokemon and Harry Potter to me.

Katarra feels like Misty and Hermonie combined into one character. Aang is both Ash and Harry Potter, and Sokka is the third wheel guy.

You can't honestly believe Harry Potter and Pokemon belong in the same category? That's it, I can no longer take you and your posts seriously again :roll:

Misty and Hermonie the same type of characters? I don't think you honestly understood the series at all.

[snake]

What episode are you at, Cubed? Did you finish season 1?

[CyberCubed]

I watched up to episode 13. I actually liked the Storm episode for the backstory, and the next one where the fire nation captures Aang and Zuko rescues him to turn him in, himself.

One thing I notice is how the characters never stab or slice each other. All these characters are swinging around swords yet they never get cut or slashes. I keep forgetting Avatar is not a Japanese anime but an American cartoon, if this was an anime all those fire soldiers would have been killed in the heat of battle.

The sucking on frogs thing was a bit disturbing, felt like I was watching some sort of Japanese innuendo there for a second.

[MrTMNT2012]

The whole story is like a parallel between Aang and Zuko. What's brilliant, is that the backstory shows how similar our hero and our villain is and makes you wonder if these two really would have been friends if circumstances were different...

[CyberCubed]

The whole story is like a parallel between Aang and Zuko. What's brilliant, is that the backstory shows how similar our hero and our villain is and makes you wonder if these two really would have been friends if circumstances were different...

Yeah, but that's a common tropes used in every series ever. Would Goku and Vegeta been friends if Goku was never sent to Earth and grew up alongside him? Yes.

Every series that has a hero and a rival who is not 100% a bad guy will eventually become friends.

[MrTMNT2012]

Yeah, but that's a common tropes used in every series ever. Would Goku and Vegeta been friends if Goku was never sent to Earth and grew up alongside him? Yes.

Every series that has a hero and a rival who is not 100% a bad guy will eventually become friends.

Now that you said that, I'm SOOO glad that 'phase' with Zuko happens during Season 2...

It was pretty ingenious writing even just when you think you can predict stuff!

Also, am I the only one who never gets tired of that even if it is a trope? I mean, I LOVE Goku and Vegeta's relationship, Naruto and Sasuke's relationship because of that. If there was no struggle or rivalry, it wouldn't be as interesting in my opinion...

[CyberCubed]

So is the Fire Nation supposed to represent North Korea? It seems like every nation is based on a real world Asian country:

- Air = Chinese/tibet monks

- Water = Eskimo's, Phillopino's, southern Asians

- Earth = Japan

- Fire Nation = North Korea

No surprise Fire Nation is viewed as the most evil like North Korea's rulers in real life.

[TurtleTitan97]

No surprise Fire Nation is viewed as the most evil like North Korea's rulers in real life.

Yes Cubed, the Fire Nation is totally based on North Korea. That's why they're the bad guys.

Said no one ever. :trolleye:

[Davetello]

Yes Cubed, the Fire Nation is totally based on North Korea. That's why they're the bad guys.

Said no one ever. :trolleye:

:lol:

Was wondering if it was just me who found that a bizarre comment.

[plastroncafe]

So is the Fire Nation supposed to represent North Korea? It seems like every nation is based on a real world Asian country:

- Air = Chinese/tibet monks

- Water = Eskimo's, Phillopino's, southern Asians

- Earth = Japan

- Fire Nation = North Korea

No surprise Fire Nation is viewed as the most evil like North Korea's rulers in real life.

No.
http://atla-annotated.tumblr.com/
http://atla-annotated.tumblr.com/tagged/fire+nation

Warning: Spoilers

[Peanut]

In typical Cubed fashion everything has to be based on or derivative of something. Like most man children, it's Dragonball.

[Redeemer]

A lot of those Avatar "filler" episodes contain great character moments/development, which is something I think Korra misses by having every episode matter to the overall story arc.

Really good point. One of my favorite episodes is Book 2 "The Tales of Ba Sing Se" was an amazing episode for Iroh, you really understand why he doesn't believe in the fire nation war.

[CyberCubed]

I figure they were based on real-life countries because of the Asian setting. Why do you think Katara and Sokka have brown skin? They're based on eskimo's or fillipino's.

Aang's air-benders are clearly based on Chinese and Tibet monks.

Earth-benders look like Japanese.

And the Fire Nation is an oppressive war-like regime with evil leaders just like North Korea.

[plastroncafe]

Inuit, not eskimo. The latter is a slur.

[CyberCubed]

Inuit, not eskimo. The latter is a slur.

Really? When I was a kid in school the teachers called them eskimo's all the time. Then again when I was a kid Pluto was still considered a planet.

So I guess times change.

[Peanut]

Your ADHD probably didn't allow you to concentrate on it.

[BabyTurtles]

I figure they were based on real-life countries because of the Asian setting. Why do you think Katara and Sokka have brown skin? They're based on eskimo's or fillipino's.

Aang's air-benders are clearly based on Chinese and Tibet monks.

Earth-benders look like Japanese.

And the Fire Nation is an oppressive war-like regime with evil leaders just like North Korea.

.....I thought the fire nation was based off Japan....

[CyberCubed]

Episode 14 was a dreaded shipping episode, and rather boring too. Since this episode didn't have any villains it was completely devoid of action, making it incredibly dull to watch.

I also don't understand why Katara seemed so disinterested in Aang in this episode, when she already showed signs of liking him in previous episodes? Did the writers just forget? I also don't understand why Aang was so obsessed with Katara either all of a sudden.

He was also rather mean to that pig-tailed girl. What kind of message is this for children? That you should ignore the "ugly" girls and only go for the cute ones? I wonder how 7-8 year olds watching this episode will think.

Pretty lame episode, which is a shame because I really liked the previous two.

[Prowler]

Inuit, not eskimo. The latter is a slur.
Not to mention those populations don't live in Asia, but in Northern Canada and Greenland.

[ssjup81]

Really? When I was a kid in school the teachers called them eskimo's all the time. Then again when I was a kid Pluto was still considered a planet.

So I guess times change.They also called Native Americans, Indians when we were kids. My have times changed. :-P

Anywho, Eskimos aren't from Asia. I thought the show was based around different Asian regions.

[plastroncafe]

Episode 14 was a dreaded shipping episode, and rather boring too. Since this episode didn't have any villains it was completely devoid of action, making it incredibly dull to watch.

I also don't understand why Katara seemed so disinterested in Aang in this episode, when she already showed signs of liking him in previous episodes? Did the writers just forget? I also don't understand why Aang was so obsessed with Katara either all of a sudden.

He was also rather mean to that pig-tailed girl. What kind of message is this for children? That you should ignore the "ugly" girls and only go for the cute ones? I wonder how 7-8 year olds watching this episode will think.

Pretty lame episode, which is a shame because I really liked the previous two.

Why am I not the slightest bit surprised you didn't like the Anti-Nice Guy episode. Or that the theme of "People Liking You Doesn't Require That You Like Them Back" is one that went straight over your head.

This is the kind of stuff we need on the Nick TMNT toon.

[CyberCubed]

Why am I not the slightest bit surprised you didn't like the Anti-Nice Guy episode. Or that the theme of "People Liking You Doesn't Require That You Like Them Back" is one that went straight over your head.

This is the kind of stuff we need on the Nick TMNT toon.

It would have been a good message if the animators didn't purposely make the pig-tail girl to look ugly while Katara was constantly called, "beautiful" throughout the episode with those sparkly image scenes.

It was a bad message for kids, that Aang had no interest in the ugly girl with pig-tails (she even talks about how her hair isn't nice), but wants the cute Katara instead.

If they made the pig-tail girl good looking then I could have seen the message. Instead the writers implied Aang should pass up the ugly girl for the good looking one. What a great message for kids, but that's how it works in real life 90% of the time anyway.

[plastroncafe]

It would have been a good message if the animators didn't purposely make the pig-tail girl to look ugly while Katara was constantly called, "beautiful" throughout the episode with those sparkly image scenes.

It was a bad message for kids, that Aang had no interest in the ugly girl with pig-tails (she even talks about how her hair isn't nice), but wants the cute Katara instead.

If they made the pig-tail girl good looking then I could have seen the message. Instead the writers implied Aang should pass up the ugly girl for the good looking one. What a great message for kids, but that's how it works in real life 90% of the time anyway.

This is wrong on all levels.
Try harder.

[Peanut]

Don't bother talking to him.

[plastroncafe]

It's less "to" and more "at."

[BabyTurtles]

She wasn't ugly! She's freaking adorable!

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130814090639/avatar/images/4/42/Meng.png

Just because Katara wasn't paying attention to Aang doesn't mean she's not interested in him, she was caught up with the fortunetelling.

[CyberCubed]

Watched the next episode, how ironic in the one directly after Katara kisses Aang on the cheek.

Anyhoo that woman with the black hair and her beast with the tongue were pretty cool, do they come back? It would be nice to see more recurring characters than just Zuko and his Uncle.

I think a problem I have with this show is the main cast is too small. Its just the main trio and Zuko and his Uncle...and that's it. There aren't any other recurring characters so far and everyone they meet seems to never appear again. There is that Fire Nation Admiral but he's kinda bland personality wise.

I think that's the reason I feel these episodes are moving slowly, the main trio seems to go through the same motions every episode as does Zuko/Uncle. Its taking them an awful long time to get to the North poll too due to the amount of filler padding.

[Redeemer]

Watched the next episode, how ironic in the one directly after Katara kisses Aang on the cheek.

Anyhoo that woman with the black hair and her beast with the tongue were pretty cool, do they come back? It would be nice to see more recurring characters than just Zuko and his Uncle.


Yeah she does comeback.
One of my favorite episodes is actually a filler episode and I believe it is coming up....actually I think you already saw it. its called "blue spirit"

[CyberCubed]

When is the end of the first season? I think I'm at episode 14 now, which is the last episode? Also I'd rather call it "seasons" not "books" since this is a show and not Harry Potter.

[snake]

When is the end of the first season? I think I'm at episode 14 now, which is the last episode? Also I'd rather call it "seasons" not "books" since this is a show and not Harry Potter.

Episode 20. Just keep watching. I can't believe you hate the show.

[Cure]

I can't believe you hate the show.

Really? Are you reeeeeeeeeally shocked? Because you shouldn't be.

[CyberCubed]

Is Korra more action paced than this show? Avatar seems more about the adventure and just exploring the world and meeting a new Pokemon in every episode with Zuko/Uncle constantly tailing the gang.

I can't believe its been like 10 episodes and Aang still isn't at the North pole. Its like waiting for Goku to finally arrive on Planet Namek or Ash to get his next Gym badge. You know its coming but its taking forever to get there.

[ssjup81]

You are so nitpicky. Why in the world are you still watching?

[CyberCubed]

You are so nitpicky. Why in the world are you still watching?

The show is 61 episodes long, I'm only up to episode 15. Why would I give up before I've seen at least half the show? I heard it picks up after season one anyway.

[CyberCubed]

The next episode was really weird. Katara's hands get burned but the camera didn't make it clear what happened at first so she started crying and you had no idea what was going on. And Sokka jumping on Aang made me think they were done with him since Katara ran away.

Why would the two siblings stick with Aang after he burned Katara's hands? I also didn't understand why she was crying, shouldn't she have been in excruciating pain or does fire bending not work that way?

I can't understand that scene. Aang should have been disowned right then and there.

[DarkLightDragon]

It was an accident, he apologizes later, and the whole experience makes him not ever want to fire-bend again.

Don't think he should be "disowned" for that.

[MrTMNT2012]

I'm seriously starting to question your mental status.

[CyberCubed]

He burnt her hands, had Katara not discovered that healing ability would her hands have been permanently scarred? She was also still hurting from the burns so that could have taken weeks/months to heal had she had to go to the hospital.

I don't know why Katara was so quick to forgive him at the end of the episode, its something that should have caused a rift between them.

[BabyTurtles]

He burnt her hands, had Katara not discovered that healing ability would her hands have been permanently scarred? She was also still hurting from the burns so that could have taken weeks/months to heal had she had to go to the hospital.

I don't know why Katara was so quick to forgive him at the end of the episode, its something that should have caused a rift between them.

What? Aang felt extremely bad! This is going to haunt him for the next seasons and affect his ability to learn firebending! (if you stick long enough to find out)

Katara is a kind character, she's like a mother for the group. She would never disown Aang because he accidentally burned her....even if she never learned how to heal.

it shocks me how little you understand these characters when you are this far in the season....

[DarkLightDragon]

Then they'd never get to the North Pole together and Katara would never get to master her waterbending. None of them would've benefitted from that.

It would've made the entire time of them bonding over this big journey entirely pointless had they let this one incident cause a rift between them, even for too long.

[CyberCubed]

Then they'd never get to the North Pole together and Katara would never get to master her waterbending.

It would've made the entire time of them bonding over this big journey entirely pointless had they let this one incident cause a rift between them, even for too long.

Katara and Sokka were already going to split from Aang to find their father in the previous episode. Aang even crumbled the map so he didn't want them to leave him. If the two siblings were already going to stop traveling in the middle of the journey just to see their father, that's the same deal.

Katara getting her hands burned is unforgiveable even if it was an accident. Sokka's initial rage was spot-on, but he shouldn't have calmed down at all. After Katara healed herself and she comes to warn Aang about the fire admiral, she's like, "Nevermind how I healed myself" like it wasn't a big deal.

[DarkLightDragon]

So they should split from Aang, have him fly off on his own to the North Pole, leaving them stranded and no quick or safe way back home or the North Pole, because they shouldn't put up with his crap that he was quick to feel guilty about and apologized for? Never mind that all three are wanted by the Fire Nation already, so splitting definitely wouldn't be a wise option.

At this point, I really don't think you'll ever get into this show if you continue to get hanged up on trivial s*it like this...

[TurtleTitan97]

it shocks me how little you understand these characters when you are this far in the season....

No surprise. After all this is CyberCubed we're talking about. Trying to understand him is like trying to solve the world's most confusing and complex puzzle.

[ssjup81]

The show is 61 episodes long, I'm only up to episode 15. Why would I give up before I've seen at least half the show? I heard it picks up after season one anyway.Fair point, but you're nitpicking the heck out of this series to the point of my having no choice but to question whether or not you are actually enjoying it.

At least with the Nick turtles series, before fully commenting on it, I watched the entire first season beforehand to see how it would play out. If I sat around nitpicking trivial things, I'd never get through it.

I'm still waiting for you to mention good points about the series, but you really haven't.

[CyberCubed]

The animation is good, and the characters are likeable I suppose. The individual episode plots are fine, but the overall narrative is just Aang and co slowly traveling to the North Pole with Zuko tailing them every episode. I also have laughed a few times, some of the jokes are actually legitimately funny.

I haven't been blown away yet and I'm still curious what makes this, "the greatest cartoon of all time," but I suppose I'll find out in Seasons 2 and 3 when I get to them.

[ssjup81]

The animation is good, and the characters are likeable I suppose. The individual episode plots are fine, but the overall narrative is just Aang and co slowly traveling to the North Pole with Zuko tailing them every episode. I also have laughed a few times, some of the jokes are actually legitimately funny.

I haven't been blown away yet and I'm still curious what makes this, "the greatest cartoon of all time," but I suppose I'll find out in Seasons 2 and 3 when I get to them.I guess compared to the other stuff Nick was showing at that time, it would be.

[CyberCubed]

Finally, the filler grind is over. Episode 18 was probably the best episode so far. The stubborn teacher who wouldn't teach Katara water bending techniques and the pirates trying to kill Zuko all in the same episode.

I'm surprised the writers allowed Katara to lose the fight. I thought for sure it would turn out to be a, "good guys are always right and prevail" scenario. Nice to see Katara lose against an experienced teacher. I would have prefered to see her hurt a little bit more though.

I didn't really care for Sokka's subplot with that princess though. Is she his love interest for the rest of the series or just this arc? Kinda tacked on if you ask me.

Good episode, I liked seeing Katara told that she belongs with the other females by that teacher. Sometimes women need to know they belong in the kitchen while the men do all the fighting, it was an interesting observation of real-life stereotypes brought to a cartoon. Not that I agree with it, but not all women need to be fighters and prove themselves against men. I'm glad to see Katara stand up for herself though.

[MrTMNT2012]

Finally, the filler grind is over. Episode 18 was probably the best episode so far. The stubborn teacher who wouldn't teach Katara water bending techniques and the pirates trying to kill Zuko all in the same episode.

I'm surprised the writers allowed Katara to lose the fight. I thought for sure it would turn out to be a, "good guys are always right and prevail" scenario. Nice to see Katara lose against an experienced teacher. I would have prefered to see her hurt a little bit more though.

I didn't really care for Sokka's subplot with that princess though. Is she his love interest for the rest of the series or just this arc? Kinda tacked on if you ask me.

Good episode, I liked seeing Katara told that she belongs with the other females by that teacher. Sometimes women need to know they belong in the kitchen while the men do all the fighting, it was an interesting observation of real-life stereotypes brought to a cartoon. Not that I agree with it, but not all women need to be fighters and prove themselves against men. I'm glad to see Katara stand up for herself though.

There you go. Now you're getting it! :tsmile:

[Redeemer]

Finally, the filler grind is over. Episode 18 was probably the best episode so far. The stubborn teacher who wouldn't teach Katara water bending techniques and the pirates trying to kill Zuko all in the same episode.

I'm surprised the writers allowed Katara to lose the fight. I thought for sure it would turn out to be a, "good guys are always right and prevail" scenario. Nice to see Katara lose against an experienced teacher. I would have prefered to see her hurt a little bit more though.

I didn't really care for Sokka's subplot with that princess though. Is she his love interest for the rest of the series or just this arc? Kinda tacked on if you ask me.

Good episode, I liked seeing Katara told that she belongs with the other females by that teacher. Sometimes women need to know they belong in the kitchen while the men do all the fighting, it was an interesting observation of real-life stereotypes brought to a cartoon. Not that I agree with it, but not all women need to be fighters and prove themselves against men. I'm glad to see Katara stand up for herself though.

I don't think anybody should reveal the Soka subplot with the princess at this point bc it becomes a plot device for Soka for the next season.
Just keep watching enjoy it for what it is. It may not be your favorite cartoon you ever seen or the best, but it is one of the best cartoons from the 2000's

There you go. Now you're getting it! :tsmile:
seriously right????:lol:

[CyberCubed]

Watched the first part of the finale, I liked the fight between Zuko and Katara at the end. It really looked fierce like both sides were fighting for their lives.

The attack on the water tribe has begun, its pretty decent so far. Still don't care for the shipping subplot between Sokka and that princess, seems like its only there to attract young girls to the show to draw fanart for their devianart accounts and gush all over tumblr about it.

I'd rather see more of Zuko and Katara fighting, that was the highlight.

[BabyTurtles]

Watched the first part of the finale, I liked the fight between Zuko and Katara at the end. It really looked fierce like both sides were fighting for their lives.

The attack on the water tribe has begun, its pretty decent so far. Still don't care for the shipping subplot between Sokka and that princess, seems like its only there to attract young girls to the show to draw fanart for their devianart accounts and gush all over tumblr about it.

I'd rather see more of Zuko and Katara fighting, that was the highlight.

XD....ya know not all romance is for girls....guys can like romance too.

but anyway yea, Zuko and Katara's fight was awesome.

Katara only gets more confident and cool~

[CyberCubed]

Watched the finale, it was pretty good. Really liked seeing Aang turn into that big water creature, and all the mythical stuff with the Moon spirits being killed and everything turning red or black was pretty cool.

I wonder how many deaths there were, you never really know for sure how many soldiers actually died or just brushed aside. So is that Admiral dead or do we see him again when he was pulled into the water?

I have a feeling the water princess will come back to life eventually, I haven't read any spoilers but I'm just guessing here.

On a last note is the leader of the Fire Nation really just a one-dimensional villain? He shows no interest in his son or his brother (the Uncle), and just wants to conquer everyone.

[BabyTurtles]

Watched the finale, it was pretty good. Really liked seeing Aang turn into that big water creature, and all the mythical stuff with the Moon spirits being killed and everything turning red or black was pretty cool.

I wonder how many deaths there were, you never really know for sure how many soldiers actually died or just brushed aside. So is that Admiral dead or do we see him again when he was pulled into the water?

I have a feeling the water princess will come back to life eventually, I haven't read any spoilers but I'm just guessing here.

On a last note is the leader of the Fire Nation really just a one-dimensional villain? He shows no interest in his son or his brother (the Uncle), and just wants to conquer everyone.

No....Admiral Zhao is pretty much dead.

[Redeemer]

XD....ya know not all romance is for girls....guys can like romance too.

Seriously right??? I'm a guy I like seeing romance from time to time, just not saturated.

So is that Admiral dead or do we see him again when he was pulled into the water?


You actually see what happens to the good Admiral in Legend of Korra

[CyberCubed]

Watched the first 3 episodes of Season 2, the writing seems like a big improvement over the first season.

So are these 3 females the main villains of Season 2? The main sister Azula reminds me of Karai from TMNT, only much meaner. What's with that bubbly-faced girl from the circus though? She looks way too cutesty to be a villain, unlike the other two. Especially with that circle face of hers.

Also is it just me or does this season seem a bit darker? There's a lot more talk of death and the fights seems to have more seriousness to them, like you can seriously see people getting hurt now.

So the shipping between the two mains already happened in the lovers cave, not too surprising. I hope there's not too much shipping for the rest of the show, especially the obvious incest pairing.

[Peanut]

What the f*ck is shipping? Is this some annoying neckbeard Internet term?

[BabyTurtles]

Watched the first 3 episodes of Season 2, the writing seems like a big improvement over the first season.

So are these 3 females the main villains of Season 2? The main sister Azula reminds me of Karai from TMNT, only much meaner. What's with that bubbly-faced girl from the circus though? She looks way too cutesty to be a villain, unlike the other two. Especially with that circle face of hers.

Also is it just me or does this season seem a bit darker? There's a lot more talk of death and the fights seems to have more seriousness to them, like you can seriously see people getting hurt now.

So the shipping between the two mains already happened in the lovers cave, not too surprising. I hope there's not too much shipping for the rest of the show, especially the obvious incest pairing.

yea the show gets darker season 2~ Azula is the best villain of all time!

Avatar only has like 1-2 episode each season focusing on shipping. You should be happy it's not as frequent as TMNT right now. So appreciate it.
Also it's not like theres a love triangle, just 2 characters slowly liking each other more and more.

incest pairing?? O_o what incest pairing??

[CyberCubed]

The swamp episode was pretty nice. I wonder if all those visions lead to something later on?

Avatar Day was a pretty funny episode, I didn't know Aang's past lives could just summon at will? If that's the case why doesn't Roku just appear at any time? I don't know why Zuko split from his Uncle. He's becoming a filthy thief. So he abandons his Uncle so he can become a bum? What kind of kid would leave his Uncle homeless like that?

I also don't know why Aang has the hots for Katara in every episode. Isn't he only 12? He shouldn't have those kind of hormones as a pre-teen.

[BabyTurtles]

The swamp episode was pretty nice. I wonder if all those visions lead to something later on?

Avatar Day was a pretty funny episode, I didn't know Aang's past lives could just summon at will? If that's the case why doesn't Roku just appear at any time? I don't know why Zuko split from his Uncle. He's becoming a filthy thief. So he abandons his Uncle so he can become a bum? What kind of kid would leave his Uncle homeless like that?

I also don't know why Aang has the hots for Katara in every episode. Isn't he only 12? He shouldn't have those kind of hormones as a pre-teen.

12 year olds can't have the hots for girls?? XD.....that's like middle school, that's when you stop thinking girls have cooties and think they are cute and stuff.

[Prowler]

What the f*ck is shipping? Is this some annoying neckbeard Internet term?
It's a slang for fan-made/wishful thinking pairings/romances between two fictional characters. It originated in the pokemon fandom, I believe.

It's a ridiculous term, yes.

[Netkeeper]

It's a slang for fan-made/wishful thinking pairings/romances between two fictional characters. It originated in the pokemon fandom, I believe.

It's a ridiculous term, yes.
lmao no you're thinking star trek fandom.

[CyberCubed]

I assume shipping began during the Star Wars movies in the late 70's, especially with Leia kissing Luke over Han in the first movie.

[Prowler]

lmao no you're thinking star trek fandom.
Well sorry for the misinformation but I got the definition right, which is what matters. I could have sworn that it was the Pokemon fandom that had created the term, though. I guess the Star trek fandom realized the term was silly and decided to make sure people like me wouldn't associate it with it. Can't say I blame them.

[Netkeeper]

I assume shipping began during the Star Wars movies in the late 70's, especially with Leia kissing Luke over Han in the first movie.
nope it started earlier with star trek

Well sorry for the misinformation but I got the definition right, which is what matters. I could have sworn that it was the Pokemon fandom that had created the term, though. I guess the Star trek fandom realized the term was silly and decided to make sure people like me wouldn't associate it with it. Can't say I blame them.
its just short for "relationshipping". that's the kind of term older trekkies would have used, as it sounds archaic.

edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipping_%28fandom%29#Etymology
started with k/s slash shippers

the more u know

[CyberCubed]

Pokemon is fairly recent by show standards, shipping was around in the 80's. And Power Rangers before that. I think you might just be thinking about all those obsessive Misty fans who still think the writers are going to have her come back and declare her love for Ash, even though her character was abandoned over 12 years ago now and the writers clearly don't care about her anymore.

[Redeemer]

Pokemon is fairly recent by show standards, shipping was around in the 80's. And Power Rangers before that. I think you might just be thinking about all those obsessive Misty fans who still think the writers are going to have her come back and declare her love for Ash, even though her character was abandoned over 12 years ago now and the writers clearly don't care about her anymore.

I thought they brought Misty back at one point????? :lol:

Yeah the swamp episode was pretty good and does lead to a new character in the next few episodes.

I got a question why the hell are we catering to CyberCube????Holding his hand as he walks through the damn series???:lol:

[Davetello]

I got a question why the hell are we catering to CyberCube????Holding his hand as he walks through the damn series???:lol:

I'd hazard a guess that it's because it's tempting to watch him rant and moan :D His eccentricity is excellent.

I only really open this thread to laugh at his posts.

[CyberCubed]

Well this is my thread so I'm watching the series and commenting as I go. Anyone who wants to discuss it is free to do so.

I do admit Season 2 (I refuse to call it Book 2, this is a cartoon and not Harry Potter) is an improvement over Season 1. Even the filler is better.

[plastroncafe]

That's because you're a filthy casual.

[CyberCubed]

To this show I am very casual. That's why I won't join any Avatar fandom' still I see this show through.

Forgot to mention what was with that guy "frothing at the mouth" and fainting when he thought Aang returned to that water tribe village? Was that some kind of meme or inside joke I'm not aware of? It's an animated gif I've seen floating around forums a few times too.

[Redeemer]

To this show I am very casual. That's why I won't join any Avatar fandom' still I see this show through.

Forgot to mention what was with that guy "frothing at the mouth" and fainting when he thought Aang returned to that water tribe village? Was that some kind of meme or inside joke I'm not aware of? It's an animated gif I've seen floating around forums a few times too.

I can't remember, but the cabbage guy is :D

[CyberCubed]

Watched the next episodes. Is the little girl Earth bender a permanent main character for the rest of the series? She reminds me of someone from another show but I can't pinpoint who.

Also I don't understand Zuko's backstory. Is his entire family filled with such cold-hearted villains except his mother and uncle? It seems like his father, grandfather and Azula have no concern for anyone but themselves. Did Azula really enjoy seeing her mother die? At least that's what I assumed happened, her mother sacrificed herself so Zuko would live?

Azula seems interesting but she's just evil and cold-hearted for no reason. Since we saw her as a kid like that way too it can't be something that happened in her past.

[BabyTurtles]

Watched the next episodes. Is the little girl Earth bender a permanent main character for the rest of the series? She reminds me of someone from another show but I can't pinpoint who.

Also I don't understand Zuko's backstory. Is his entire family filled with such cold-hearted villains except his mother and uncle? It seems like his father, grandfather and Azula have no concern for anyone but themselves. Did Azula really enjoy seeing her mother die? At least that's what I assumed happened, her mother sacrificed herself so Zuko would live?

Azula seems interesting but she's just evil and cold-hearted for no reason. Since we saw her as a kid like that way too it can't be something that happened in her past.

1) yes Toph stays forever~
2) er...all I can say is keep watching I guess??
3) Azula is...complicated.....needless to say she definitely takes after her dad.

[CyberCubed]

Zuko is getting a bit...emo-ish, lately. He's constantly crying and talking about what a failure he is and how everything blows up in his face. I mean how much longer is he going to mope?

That giant owl thing in the library was pretty cool. I find it funny they didn't care that researcher died probably died and had his head mounted on a wall.

[Netkeeper]

Toph does get to stay with them and she is the best character.

[BabyTurtles]

Zuko is getting a bit...emo-ish, lately. He's constantly crying and talking about what a failure he is and how everything blows up in his face. I mean how much longer is he going to mope?

That giant owl thing in the library was pretty cool. I find it funny they didn't care that researcher died probably died and had his head mounted on a wall.

Well how would you feel if your mother left, your father hated you, you were banished from your land, had to become a hobo, can't find the avatar, and aren't as perfect as your sister??
:ohwell:

[CyberCubed]

Well how would you feel if your mother left, your father hated you, you were banished from your land, had to become a hobo, can't find the avatar, and aren't as perfect as your sister??
:ohwell:

For a few episodes that would be fine, but he's constantly like that now. I mean he's just a depressing mope now.

I wish he would put on that mask and swords and just start robbing people again.

[BabyTurtles]

For a few episodes that would be fine, but he's constantly like that now. I mean he's just a depressing mope now.

I wish he would put on that mask and swords and just start robbing people again.

well until something good happens...why would he stop being depressed???

He's learning to deal. He's going through his own character development and robbing people isn't going to help him grow.

[Davetello]

Well how would you feel if your mother left, your father hated you, you were banished from your land, had to become a hobo, can't find the avatar, and aren't as perfect as your sister??
:ohwell:

Probably water off a duck's back for Cubed. He'd be far more angry at characters omitted from Smash Bros :)

[Peanut]

Probably water off a duck's back for Cubed. He'd be far more angry at characters omitted from Smash Bros :)

My god. My favourite post of the year. Thumbs up!

[Davetello]

My god. My favourite post of the year. Thumbs up!

Thanks. I was really just having some harmless fun with him. I just find it funny how he seems to obsess over the smallest of things.

[snake]

What episode is he at? I love watching Cubed get through a show like this.

[Davetello]

What episode is he at? I love watching Cubed get through a show like this.

He's just started season 2. I've only watched the first season so I will have to bow out of reading the thread from now on to avoid spoilers. Shame 'cos some of his posts here are golden.:lol:

[CyberCubed]

It's a bit disappointing to see fanservice creep into this show. When it started Katara was fully clothed but now she's wearing that tight midriff outfit while water bending. Also that other girl from the circus who is with Azula, her breasts are too big.

[Peanut]

https://warosu.org/data/cgl/img/0064/91/1355627137014.gif

[TurtleTitan97]

It's a bit disappointing to see fanservice creep into this show. When it started Katara was fully clothed but now she's wearing that tight midriff outfit while water bending. Also that other girl from the circus who is with Azula, her breasts are too big.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131126074804/spinpasta/images/5/50/Nobody-cares-spongebob.jpg

[Leo656]

her breasts are too big.

Nobody has EVER said that sentence about ANY woman with any honesty in the history of human civilization. Now I know you just say stuff to see who's paying attention. I'm hip to your game, Slick.

[BabyTurtles]

It's a bit disappointing to see fanservice creep into this show. When it started Katara was fully clothed but now she's wearing that tight midriff outfit while water bending. Also that other girl from the circus who is with Azula, her breasts are too big.

O___o whaaaaaa????

It's not like they have Bikinis!? Katara is wearing the equivalent to a swimsuit in their world. She only wears that outfit when they are training in water. (her outfit has straps! She's even wearing leggings! it's like the most modest swimsuit of all time!)

what do you want her to wear? XD her regular clothes will get wet.

Ty Lee is a girl and not all girls have A cups. :ohwell: (and they aren't even big to me!)
It's not like she has a whole in her shirt like Power Girl.

omg...I can't believe we are even talking about this XD

[MrTMNT2012]

omg...I can't believe we are even talking about this XD

Welcome...to the realm of CyberCubed! It can be a scary place...

[CyberCubed]

I was glad this was an American cartoon instead of an anime because it meant virtually no fanservice and the female characters wouldn't simply be boobs or eye candy. Had Avatar been an anime there would have been a beach episode every 5-6 episodes and Katara would constantly be in her bathing attire.

You watch shows like Fairy Tail which is in the action/shonen genre and all the female characters are used for fanservice constantly showing off their boobs. Its really distracting and puts me off from watching it.

With the intro of Azula and the two friends I wouldn't be surprised if this was anime if they would have lesbian crushes on each other. That's how anime writers work. Its to satisfy fanboy cravings for their, "waifu's" or "husbando's" that you see people on 4chan and 2ch raving about.

Thank god Avatar is an American cartoon only drawn in anime-style. At least we don't have to deal with any lolicon moe fanservice in this show, especially with Toph and Katara on the main cast.

[Peanut]

You're autistic as f*ck, kid.

[TurtleTitan97]

I was glad this was an American cartoon instead of an anime because it meant virtually no fanservice and the female characters wouldn't simply be boobs or eye candy. Had Avatar been an anime there would have been a beach episode every 5-6 episodes and Katara would constantly be in her bathing attire.

You watch shows like Fairy Tail which is in the action/shonen genre and all the female characters are used for fanservice constantly showing off their boobs. Its really distracting and puts me off from watching it.

With the intro of Azula and the two friends I wouldn't be surprised if this was anime if they would have lesbian crushes on each other. That's how anime writers work. Its to satisfy fanboy cravings for their, "waifu's" or "husbando's" that you see people on 4chan and 2ch raving about.

Thank god Avatar is an American cartoon only drawn in anime-style. At least we don't have to deal with any lolicon moe fanservice in this show, especially with Toph and Katara on the main cast.

......I don't even know how to respond to this. :roll:

You are aware that not all anime is like how you described it, right? Because judging by your post, you apparently don't have a clue.

[CyberCubed]

......I don't even know how to respond to this. :roll:

You are aware that not all anime is like how you described it, right? Because judging by your post, you apparently don't have a clue.

Most anime outside of toyetic kids shows is like this. Virtually any shonen and shoujo anime has fanservice, let alone the more adult oriented shows.

[TurtleTitan97]

Most anime outside of toyetic kids shows is like this. Virtually any shonen and shoujo anime has fanservice, let alone the more adult oriented shows.

I'm not saying not all anime has fanservice. I'm saying that not every single anime focuses on it solely on it and not on anything else like character development, story, etc.

[CyberCubed]

In Serpents Path was that the first lesbian kiss ever in a kids cartoon? I know Toph kissed Suki on the cheek thinking it was Sokka, but still...a girl kissed another girl on the cheek and it wasn't just a, "hello" kind of kiss.

Man now I know what people are saying when they say this show broke boundaries. I bet that created a new ship right there, I dare not such for fanart of it though, I know what I would find if I did.

[ssjup81]

I was glad this was an American cartoon instead of an anime because it meant virtually no fanservice and the female characters wouldn't simply be boobs or eye candy. Had Avatar been an anime there would have been a beach episode every 5-6 episodes and Katara would constantly be in her bathing attire.

You watch shows like Fairy Tail which is in the action/shonen genre and all the female characters are used for fanservice constantly showing off their boobs. Its really distracting and puts me off from watching it.

With the intro of Azula and the two friends I wouldn't be surprised if this was anime if they would have lesbian crushes on each other. That's how anime writers work. Its to satisfy fanboy cravings for their, "waifu's" or "husbando's" that you see people on 4chan and 2ch raving about.

Thank god Avatar is an American cartoon only drawn in anime-style. At least we don't have to deal with any lolicon moe fanservice in this show, especially with Toph and Katara on the main cast.
Shounen. It's aimed at a male audience, so depending on the age they're aiming it at, they'll have women made up to be really pretty or whatever or just testosterone induced "I'M A MAN!!! WE FIGHT!" type show. A Shoujo series would be the opposite, like Sailor moon or whatever. Or a show like Kuroshitsuji where all of the make characters are made to look incredibly handsome. Shoujo is aimed a female audience.

Do you really enjoy generalizing? By the sounds of it, I could see this show in the same genre or style as Tales of Symphonia or any if those Adventure/Fantasy type styles.

That aside I still don't know what moe or lolicon is....

[CyberCubed]

That aside I still don't know what moe or lolicon is....

Trust me, you don't want to know. Those two words is everything that's wrong with anime today.

[Leofan26]

I don't get it Cybs, you complain about fan service yet your the one who notices it the most on these forums. I don't think any one would have noticed the April fan service in the new series if it wasn't for you brining it up each time :-?

Heck I know I don't but I don't go looking for it like you do.

[TurtleTitan97]

In Serpents Path was that the first lesbian kiss ever in a kids cartoon? I know Toph kissed Suki on the cheek thinking it was Sokka, but still...a girl kissed another girl on the cheek and it wasn't just a, "hello" kind of kiss.

Man now I know what people are saying when they say this show broke boundaries. I bet that created a new ship right there, I dare not such for fanart of it though, I know what I would find if I did.

You can't be serious. :trolleye: Do you really believe even for a second Nickelodeon would allow something like that to be aired if what you said were even true? (Which it's not, BTW.)

And besides, it's obvious it was played as a joke.

[CyberCubed]

I've never seen any other cartoon where two girls of similar age kissed on the cheek that wasn't anime. This isn't like a mother kissing her daughter on the cheek or something like that, it was two similar-aged girls with one kissing another on the cheek, even if she thought it was Sokka.

I'm surprised they got away with it. Also Sokka being so horny that he kisses Suki twice despite still clearly missing the water princess who died, lol.

[plastroncafe]

In Serpents Path was that the first lesbian kiss ever in a kids cartoon? I know Toph kissed Suki on the cheek thinking it was Sokka, but still...a girl kissed another girl on the cheek and it wasn't just a, "hello" kind of kiss.



It's not a lesbian kiss if the characters aren't lesbians.

[snake]

Holy sh*t this thread is bad.

Ty Lee doesn't have "big breasts".

Not every anime is like that. You ever watch Cowboy Bebop?

[CyberCubed]

It's not a lesbian kiss if the characters aren't lesbians.

That's not true at all and you know it. Plenty of straight girls kiss each other but its a lesbian action even if the girls themselves aren't gay.

[TurtleTitan97]

That's not true at all and you know it. Plenty of straight girls kiss each other but its a lesbian action even if the girls themselves aren't gay.

That is the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard.:trolleye:

It's you who is wrong, and you know it.

[XERO]

I just HAD to click on this thread, didn't I?

Holy sh*t.

[PAAATE]

That's not true at all and you know it. Plenty of straight girls kiss each other but its a lesbian action even if the girls themselves aren't gay.

Putting things in boxes is fine, I guess, but you need to relabel yours.

[snake]

That's not true at all and you know it. Plenty of straight girls kiss each other but its a lesbian action even if the girls themselves aren't gay.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6ht47A6s11qc073co1_400.gif

[Netkeeper]

I'm starting to question whether or not this guy is even real. Did someone put a spell on me or something? Am I delusional? Nobody that exists could possibly be like this.

[Leo656]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs8/4528648_o.gif

^^^My reaction to just about everything Cubed says.

[ssjup81]

That is the dumbest reasoning I've ever heard.:trolleye:

It's you who is wrong, and you know it.Don't some women go on about having a "lesbian experience" in college but don't associate themselves with being lesbian? Maybe that's what he meant. I actually have a friend like this and she's married and everything now.

[Leo656]

Well, then there's that theory that all chicks are "a little bit" swishy. Y'know, since they're more apt to get all touchy-feely and be naked around each other than guys are.

I don't know how much it's been researched, and I don't know if it's true or not, I just hope so.

[TurtleTitan97]

Don't some women go on about having a "lesbian experience" in college but don't associate themselves with being lesbian? Maybe that's what he meant. I actually have a friend like this and she's married and everything now.

Whatever he means, it still doesn't apply to this show.

[BabyTurtles]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Homer-Walks-Into-Bar-and-Leaves.gif

[CyberCubed]

So I watched the episode with the giant drill, I'm kinda confused here. Why is Jet so angry that Zuko/Uncle are fire-benders? I know he hates all fire benders, but its not like they personally did anything to him.

Also, what is with the two girls with Azula? We know Azula is mentally unstable and/or pure evil, but the other two girls don't seem to be that way. Especially the circus girl, her face is so cutesy like she'd invite you over for a tea party instead of being some ruthless killer. I don't understand why they'd make her design like that if she was a villain.

I also wish Aang killed those sand people who stole his flying bison beast. Why Katara had to stop him instead of him killing them all is beyond me.

[BabyTurtles]

So I watched the episode with the giant drill, I'm kinda confused here. Why is Jet so angry that Zuko/Uncle are fire-benders? I know he hates all fire benders, but its not like they personally did anything to him.

Also, what is with the two girls with Azula? We know Azula is mentally unstable and/or pure evil, but the other two girls don't seem to be that way. Especially the circus girl, her face is so cutesy like she'd invite you over for a tea party instead of being some ruthless killer. I don't understand why they'd make her design like that if she was a villain.

I also wish Aang killed those sand people who stole his flying bison beast. Why Katara had to stop him instead of him killing them all is beyond me.

1) Firebenders aren't exactly allowed in the city or anywhere..cause they are the enemy.....and Jet doesn't want anyone to be harmed or fooled by them because of his painful past. He's got a prejudice against them.

2) Ty Lee was kinda scared into being Azula's minion. I thought that was clear when she put her in danger during her act at the circus. Azula gets what she wants at any cost and Ty Lee knows that.

3) Aang doesn't like fighting...he never did....he is completely against killing, he's even a vegetarian. Aang might have crossed the line and live to regret it. Katara doesn't want Aang do do something he will hate himself for later.

do you seriously want to see Aang kill someone because they stole Appa? Appa is alive...he's just lost.

[CyberCubed]

Aang having a temper is what sets him apart from other generic heroes. Letting him kill someone would be nice development. I don't know if this does happen later in the show so don't spoil me if its the case.

[BabyTurtles]

Aang having a temper is what sets him apart from other generic heroes. Letting him kill someone would be nice development. I don't know if this does happen later in the show so don't spoil me if its the case.

how is killing someone good development??? O_o

[Leo656]

Personally, whenever anyone tells me I "need more character development" my first reaction is always to start killing people until the situation corrects itself.

I'm not entirely sure at exactly what number of victims a person can rightfully claim to have a "well-rounded character", but my working theory is 37. Seems like the kind of thing that would require an odd integer.

[ssjup81]

I feel killing can help with character development, but it really depends on how it's done. Like I feel it shows a lot if a character (that's supposedly a good guy) kills and they maybe show how said character reacts to it. Did the character regret having to make such a choice? Did the character revel in it? Did the character have no reaction at all? Stuff like that.

So yeah, it depends on how it is done. Killing for the sake of having the character kill I think is badly done.

[snake]

Personally, whenever anyone tells me I "need more character development" my first reaction is always to start killing people until the situation corrects itself.

I'm not entirely sure at exactly what number of victims a person can rightfully claim to have a "well-rounded character", but my working theory is 37. Seems like the kind of thing that would require an odd integer.

37? What are you? Cardboard? I think around 55 or 58 is correct.

[Leo656]

I apologize for not having a longer kill sheet. Clearly I need more character development. Luckily, I live right by a plethora of senior housing complexes and quite a few of those cats are on the way out anyways.

If I really hustle, I could be worthy of my own spin-off show by breakfast.

[Peanut]

Aang having a temper is what sets him apart from other generic heroes. Letting him kill someone would be nice development. I don't know if this does happen later in the show so don't spoil me if its the case.

Him not killing and Katara going out of her way to make sure he doesn't do it is also character development.

And yes, Aang eventually kills someone. Spoilers and lol!

[Allio]

37? What are you? Cardboard? I think around 55 or 58 is correct.

*not going for complete and utter genocide

look at this 2d sack of sh!t

too much?

[CyberCubed]

That episode split into 5 stories was rather interesting. I only really enjoyed Zuko's and Mako's stories though. Mako crying over his dead son was rather touching. Zuko's story was interesting but it created another new ship I'm sure fangirls are obsessing over.

As for the next episode with Appa being lost, I know some parts of it were touching, but a lot of other parts were rather boring. Did we really need an entire episode of Appa wandering around? The whole episode could have been condensed into 5 minutes and we would have gotten the gist of it.

Also rather funny that Azula is almost as incompetent as her brother at catching Aang, yet she acts like she's so skilled and better than he is. Yet she hasn't accomplished anything.

[CyberCubed]

So 4 kids can take down all the Earth Kingdom's defenses and meet the King himself? If that's the case why is it so hard for the Fire Nation to conquer this place? All the soldiers were thrown around like ragdolls.

I actually like that there's multiple plotlines going on at once, it makes the show more interesting. Azula and the two girls undercover and making a deal with Lex Luthor to overthrow the king, Toph being captured, Aang training, Zuko/Uncle in the tea shop, etc.

I really enjoy Lex Luthor in this show quite a bit, he's just as cunning and sinister as I remember him being. I hope they don't kill him off after this arc ends, he really has an awesome design and I love that he's working with Azula. Looks like some cover is about to be blown.

[Redeemer]

So 4 kids can take down all the Earth Kingdom's defenses and meet the King himself? If that's the case why is it so hard for the Fire Nation to conquer this place? All the soldiers were thrown around like ragdolls.

I actually like that there's multiple plotlines going on at once, it makes the show more interesting. Azula and the two girls undercover and making a deal with Lex Luthor to overthrow the king, Toph being captured, Aang training, Zuko/Uncle in the tea shop, etc.

I really enjoy Lex Luthor in this show quite a bit, he's just as cunning and sinister as I remember him being. I hope they don't kill him off after this arc ends, he really has an awesome design and I love that he's working with Azula. Looks like some cover is about to be blown.

Yeah that guy is awesome I think his name is Wolf Fang or something like that, but the Di-Li are badass!!!!! and as far as the episode with 5 separate stories Iroh is the best imo

[plastroncafe]

Long Feng.

The Fire Nation doesn't have waterbending, earthbending, or airbending. The Fire Nation isn't the Avatar. And the Fire Nation can't get over the walls of Ba Sing Se.

Air Support is a pretty powerful advantage to have.

In fact, they tried...for a long time to breach the walls of Ba Sing Se. That was pretty much Iroh's mission to do so, and had his son not died in the interim, he'd probably still be trying.

[CyberCubed]

Long Feng is Long Gone. I prefer calling him Lex Luthor because he looks and sounds exactly like him. In fact he is the Asian Lex Luthor.

Also Sokka is quite a playa. He seems to have gotten over the "death" of the princess quite quickly that he's moved on to Suki and some other girls.

[plastroncafe]

Long Feng is Long Gone. I prefer calling him Lex Luthor because he looks and sounds exactly like him. In fact he is the Asian Lex Luthor.


That's because you're a filthy casual.
Also because they have the same voice actor, in Clancy Brown.

In which case you should call him Razhar or Dogpound.

[CyberCubed]

Well I finished Season 2. Its odd that Zuko chose to follow the path of evil, even betraying his Uncle. So I guess all that character development went nowhere? Kind of a waste. Kind of sad to see his Uncle rot in the jail sell.

The fight scenes have noticeably improved. Mainly because all the water bending and Earth bending techniques have gotten more impressive and more involved.

I don't understand why they had Katara so pissy at her father at the start of Season 3 when she was so excited to meet him again back in Season 2. Really odd since it only lasted one episode too.

Also what is with all the kissing? All of a sudden Mei and Zuko are constantly kissing and the romance between Aang and Katara is constantly being brought up. How much of this do we need to see? And if Mei really does love Zuko, its rather odd how she lets Azula constantly taunt him and make him take the fall. Why doesn't Mei care about that, unless this is covered in the future?

Also Katara in that fire nation outfit is another fanservice outfit. Don't tell me it isn't intended to be or else she'd be fully clothed and not in a belly dancer outfit. Especially since after the dance scene the camera had a close up on Katara's chest as she was panting. Felt like I was watching anime here for a second.

[PAAATE]

Also what is with all the kissing? All of a sudden Mei and Zuko are constantly kissing and the romance between Aang and Katara is constantly being brought up. How much of this do we need to see?

lol

Also Katara in that fire nation outfit is another fanservice outfit. Don't tell me it isn't intended to be or else she'd be fully clothed and not in a belly dancer outfit. Especially since after the dance scene the camera had a close up on Katara's chest as she was panting. Felt like I was watching anime here for a second.

So you were turned on and it was uncomfortable, then? :p

[BabyTurtles]

Also Katara in that fire nation outfit is another fanservice outfit. Don't tell me it isn't intended to be or else she'd be fully clothed and not in a belly dancer outfit. Especially since after the dance scene the camera had a close up on Katara's chest as she was panting. Felt like I was watching anime here for a second.

It's just a design choice. I'm a girl and even I think some girl designs are cute when they show their belly button XD I liked supergirl's outfit for the same reason (even if it isn't functional).

Ty Lee has a similar outfit.

[CyberCubed]

Outfits like those are supposed to sexualize the midriff and breasts. You can look it up or take a Psychology course. Same with high heel shoes which put focus on the ascent of the legs and hips, which I didn't know about till recently. Its quite fascinating.

[BabyTurtles]

Outfits like those are supposed to sexualize the midriff and breasts. You can look it up or take a Psychology course. Same with high heel shoes which put focus on the ascent of the legs and hips, which I didn't know about till recently. Its quite fascinating.

You complain so much about bellies and boobs you must really hate seeing them.

I don't mind big boob girl characters myself as long as they aren't flaunting them XD like Powergirl

as long as Katara isn't flaunting herself she's fine.

[sdp]

Jesus Cybercubed I don't know if it was all the time you spent in fandoms and internet communities or what but in recent years your posts sometimes read like something Reverend Lovejoy's wife would say. The reason you find everything to be sexualized is because you're looking for it, Most of us don't and kids don't. A midriff while fanservice is rather tame and its everywhere from ads to tv. Is it meant to be sexual? Sure but not to the extent that you imply, I mean what isn't? everything has a reason from when you enter a store to a restaurant or the clothes even you might be wearing..You're overanalizing things like 24h news channelss.

[plastroncafe]

It'd be one thing if all the female characters on the show were in overtly sexualized garb, but they're not.

[CyberCubed]

It'd be one thing if all the female characters on the show were in overtly sexualized garb, but they're not.

Considering Katara was the only major female character in the series until Season 2 when Toph, Azula, etc. arrived, its not too surprising.

I still don't get why Azula hates her brother so much. Is this ever actually explained or is Azula just evil for the sake of cartoon supervillany?

[plastroncafe]

Considering Katara was the only major female character in the series until Season 2 when Toph, Azula, etc. arrived, its not too surprising.

And if this were her outfit during that first season you might have a case, but she wasn't, and so your argument...while valid, is impotent.
You can call it fan service if you like, but it makes perfect sense as a choice the creators made for practical reasons.
She's from the South Pole and traveling in a country that is known for having an extra warm climate.
Sokka's also wearing less clothing, as is Toph.

Aang is the only one of the group wearing more clothing, and that's to cover up his tattoos.

I still don't get why Azula hates her brother so much. Is this ever actually explained or is Azula just evil for the sake of cartoon supervillany?

She's a powerhungry second child in a monarchy.
Isn't that enough?

[Peanut]

Cubed can only relate to sh*tty comic book logic. Everything else is a huge issue.

[snake]

Outfits like those are supposed to sexualize the midriff and breasts. You can look it up or take a Psychology course. Same with high heel shoes which put focus on the ascent of the legs and hips, which I didn't know about till recently. Its quite fascinating.

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!???!

:lol:

[Darthknuxward]

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!???!

:lol:

:lol:

That's going in my sig.

[Redeemer]

I still don't get why Azula hates her brother so much. Is this ever actually explained or is Azula just evil for the sake of cartoon supervillany?

Bc he is the first born. She is like her father. She want power and is willing to undermine her brother to take it. Just like her father did to Iroh.

[CyberCubed]

So I watched, "The Beach" and I am speechless. Seriously, WHAT THE HELL did I just watch? Why did nobody warn me about this episode?

Fanservice to the extreme, in a kids show no less. Ty lee with her boobs exposed and innuendo of her getting gangbanged by 10 boyfriends? WTF?! The two old lady grannies smashing their butts together? Azula acting like a valley girl to get laid? Holy crap.

How on earth did this episode get approved? I'd expect this from some kind of crappy anime show exposing its female characters for doujinishi and rule 34, but not from an American produced cartoon airing on Nick no less. Why on Earth was this entire episode made aside from the brief scenes of 3-eyes fighting Aang?

Plus this episode ruins Azula's character. Instead of being this evil fire nation leader she's just a spoiled teenager who doesn't care that her mother thinks she's a monster. She was almost comical to the point where her character was flanderized. And she hated those teenagers for...no reason at all? This episode just made her more one-dimensional, I guess she is evil just for the sake of being evil.

Not too fond of Zuko throwing the emo-boy temper tantrum either. Without his Uncle around Zuko turns into a one-note character. Now he's just the typical anime wanna-be loser emo boy, instead of the sympathetic anti-hero he was before.

Good god, I hope this episode was considered, "non-canon" by the fans or something. It was ridiculous. Felt like I was watching some teenagers fanfiction put to life in a cartoon. Please tell me this was bad fanfiction...please tell me I took a wrong turn somewhere. God damn.

[PAAATE]

So I watched, "The Beach" and I am speechless. Seriously, WHAT THE HELL did I just watch? Why did nobody warn me about this episode?

Fanservice to the extreme, in a kids show no less. Ty lee with her boobs exposed and innuendo of her getting gangbanged by 10 boyfriends? WTF?! The two old lady grannies smashing their butts together? Azula acting like a valley girl to get laid? Holy crap.

How on earth did this episode get approved? I'd expect this from some kind of crappy anime show exposing its female characters for doujinishi and rule 34, but not from an American produced cartoon airing on Nick no less. Why on Earth was this entire episode made aside from the brief scenes of 3-eyes fighting Aang?

Plus this episode ruins Azula's character. Instead of being this evil fire nation leader she's just a spoiled teenager who doesn't care that her mother thinks she's a monster. She was almost comical to the point where her character was flanderized. And she hated those teenagers for...no reason at all? This episode just made her more one-dimensional, I guess she is evil just for the sake of being evil.

Not too fond of Zuko throwing the emo-boy temper tantrum either. Without his Uncle around Zuko turns into a one-note character. Now he's just the typical anime wanna-be loser emo boy, instead of the sympathetic anti-hero he was before.

Good god, I hope this episode was considered, "non-canon" by the fans or something. It was ridiculous. Felt like I was watching some teenagers fanfiction put to life in a cartoon. Please tell me this was bad fanfiction...please tell me I took a wrong turn somewhere. God damn.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh, I know it's pointless to argue with you, so I won't, but thanks for the laugh.

[plastroncafe]

You should know that "The Beach" is praised highly, and considered one of the better episodes of the series by people who aren't filthy casuals.

I find it hilarious that you dislike the episode as much as you do, considering how you go on and on about the virtues of the Old Toon, which pretty much did exactly the same thing on a regular basis.

Even I, someone who doesn't consistently like Anime, found "The Beach" and it's obvious lampshading of Anime tropes highly entertaining.

I am a little concerned that you see "gangbangs" around every corner though.
Your heavy reliance on slut shaming is as astounding as it is disturbing.

[MrTMNT2012]

I knew this thread was going to be stupid just by that title but....Wow!

Now I'm seriously contemplating if you were dropped as a child!

[CyberCubed]

You should know that "The Beach" is praised highly, and considered one of the better episodes of the series by people who aren't filthy casuals.


What is highly praised about it? The only worthwhile scenes was that evil 3-eyed guy firing his laser at Aang.

What was the rest of it? Typical teen drama about:

- Zuko throwing an emo-boy temper tantrum and nearly breaking up with Mei

- Mei showing she bottles up her emotions

- Azula trying to get laid (and flanderizing her character, is she evil or not?)

- Ty Lee literally being the "cute/dumb girl" who was sporting massive amounts of cleavage (probably the most I've ever seen from a kids cartoon), and having "10 boyfriends" as Mei put it surrounding her.


You cannot tell me this episode wasn't made mostly for fanservice.

[plastroncafe]

Perhaps if you actually listened to what Ty Lee had to say, instead of being too distracted by her body, you might have picked up that we learned more about her in this episode than in the rest of the show combined.

That emo-boy temper tantrum is called Character Development.

And Azula trying to get a boyfriend highlights just how maladjusted she is as a person. It's not really until this season that we see other Fire Nation kids. SO it's not really until "The Beach" that we realize that the Fire Nation isn't purely evil. The teens on Ember Island are just doing regular teen things. Going about their regular teen lives.

There's a war going on, that's been going on for 100 years, and these kids are so insulated from that war that they're worried about being the coolest kids on the beach. There's a level of disconnect there, between the haves and the have-nots, that's not really been addressed.

I know I shouldn't be surprised that you don't think critically about the media you're ingesting, but...wow, dude.

Just wow.

[CyberCubed]

Perhaps if you actually listened to what Ty Lee had to say, instead of being too distracted by her body, you might have picked up that we learned more about her in this episode than in the rest of the show combined.

I don't think I need to explain that when Ty Lee was sitting on the beach as the guys were blocking her sunlight, her breasts took up the entire bottom 3/4ths of the screen.

That emo-boy temper tantrum is called Character Development.

But we already knew this, he had the same tantrum when he saw his uncle in jail two episodes before. He doesn't know what to do and is confused, did we need to see it again?

And Azula trying to get a boyfriend highlights just how maladjusted she is as a person.

But she's supposed to be evil. Her first appearances gave her this vibe up this menacing evil person who "was crazy and had to be taken down" as Uncle put it. This episode just made her seem like a vain rich girl who doesn't fit in.

There's a war going on, that's been going on for 100 years, and these kids are so insulated from that war that they're worried about being the coolest kids on the beach. There's a level of disconnect there, between the haves and the have-nots, that's not really been addressed.

That's the same in real life though. U.S. war with the middle east was going on when I was in High School and College and I barely thought of it in my daily life. You think all the kids in High School were really thinking about George Bush's war on Iraq back in 2003?

[plastroncafe]

I don't think I need to explain that when Ty Lee was sitting on the beach as the guys were blocking her sunlight, her breasts took up the entire bottom 3/4ths of the screen.

When you're more distracted by boobs than a bi-chick, you've got problems.

But we already knew this, he had the same tantrum when he saw his uncle in jail two episodes before. He doesn't know what to do and is confused, did we need to see it again?


Yes. Because he was hiding it from his friends before, and because before he blamed his uncle for his problem, but in that scene he has the breakthrough that he's actually angry at himself.

Which you might have picked up if you weren't too busy slutshaming Ty Lee.

But she's supposed to be evil. Her first appearances gave her this vibe up this menacing evil person who "was crazy and had to be taken down" as Uncle put it. This episode just made her seem like a vain rich girl who doesn't fit in.

Oh to live in a world as black and white as yours...
These things you list aren't mutually exclusive.

That's the same in real life though. U.S. war with the middle east was going on when I was in High School and College and I barely thought of it in my daily life. You think all the kids in High School were really thinking about George Bush's war on Iraq back in 2003?

Bingo.

The entire show we've been lead to believe that the Fire Nation was nothing but evil. All the time evil. Proposing a campaign of Total War with the rest of the world.

Between The Headband and The Beach we've been shown differently.
And all without a #NotAllFireNation hastag.

[ssjup81]

I'm almost tempted to watch this show. It does sound pretty deep for something that aired on Nick.

I remember thinking about the war in Iraq...but I also wasn't a high-school student...

When I was in HS the only thing political we talked about was the Monica Lewinsky scandal and how stupid it was. lol

[plastroncafe]

I really love the Avatar series. Even when it's not living up to its potential, it's fantastic. And when it's at the top of its game, it's phenomenal.