Have you ever disliked any of the turtles for a brief or prolonged period of time?

[Davetello]

I took a dislike to Leonardo during the 2007 film, partly because I felt that he was acting like an utter c0ck during the fight with Raphael (both before and after Raph was outed). Raph isn't even my favourite turtle, but at that time I could really relate to being highly strung and feeling unappreciated, and yet STILL having your buttons pushed by the insensitive muppet whose shadow you're living in. It's quite strange that my dislike of Leonardo lingered, as the ending to the scene and the reunion in Winters Tower were emotional and genuinely redeemed Leo, making him a stronger and more sympathetic character. In truth I'd been harbouring some dislike for Leo for quite a while. There was something about his goody two shoes persona which had started to grate on me. Of course I knew this was irrational - Leo has to shoulder a lot of responsibility and it's a major burden to bear, the cracks would show in any normal person/animal. But I'd just taken a dislike to him, going so far as to call him a 'pr!ck' on a youtube video comment.

I'm sort of like that in general - I can take a temporary dislike to someone for irrational reasons. After a few weeks I settled down and realised that I was being unfair to Leonardo. Similar storylines happen between Leo and Raph in Mirage, 4kids and the original film, and both siblings come out of it looking stronger both individually and in terms of their relationship. But it was still surprising that one of the turtles would fall victim to one of my brief moments of irrationality as I had always felt they were immune. I was ashamed of myself, to be honest.

After this incident had blown over it raised another question, that being if I was actually a genuine fan? After all, how could a proper fan take a dislike to one of the boys? I considered this and came to the conclusion that it's not mandatory to like all of them to be deemed a true fan (even though I personally do, this brief period aside). After all, we all like sports teams or bands where we don't appreciate or like every member. It's not necessarily a bad thing as the whole is what is imperative. The turtles individually and collectively are the most important piece of that whole, but they don't constitute the entire package.

I've gone off on a tangent somewhat, but to get back to the original question, have you ever disliked one of the boys? Or do you dislike one or more on a permanent basis? And - relating to the other comments I have put forth - do you believe that caring for all four of them is something which should be a prerequisite as a turtles fan, given how critical the theme of 'family' is to their story? I have outlined why I don't feel that is the case, but some of you may feel differently.

[CyberCubed]

Not really. I did start to find 2k3 Mikey annoying in the later seasons of the 4kids series but I kinda got over it.

It's kinda difficult to dislike the Turtles too much, it's usually just for one episode because a bad writer has no idea how to write their personalities without using stereotypes.

[ssjup81]

I can honestly say no to this. I've liked them in all the mediums I've been exposed to. Usually said portrayal worked for said medium, so I view it as I would any type of story I may read. All characters are important or serve some purpose be it small or big. I may dislike a certain aspect of some characters, but not the character itself.

I hope that made sense.

[Cryomancer]

I have at times disliked OT Mike a lot and most Raphaels too. Raphael usually just because he's wasting run time on yet another "boy I sure am angry / think i would be a better leader just because, then learn my lesson" episode and then goes on to do more of them in the same show.

They also both tend to have less reach in the video games!

Nick Donatello's crush gets really old too and makes him act like an idiot / entitled jerk a lot.

[Davetello]

Not really. I did start to find 2k3 Mikey annoying in the later seasons of the 4kids series but I kinda got over it.

It's kinda difficult to dislike the Turtles too much, it's usually just for one episode because a bad writer has no idea how to write their personalities without using stereotypes.

I am on record as finding Mikey annoying after he won the Battle Nexus. But that was a different feeling to what I went through with Leonardo. With Mikey I was just p!ssed at his behaviour and was tired of him being a brat - but I never actually disliked him in general, or any other incarnations of his character. Leo was different - I genuinely started to feel angry (as angry as we can be about fictional characters, so don't mock me please) at his behaviour and his arrogance, to the point that as I watched the fight I wanted Raph to kick the absolute fvck out of him and leave him bleeding on the floor.

Yes, bad writers can be a problem. But we can't really blame how they are being portrayed - if we use that logic then none of the boys are responsible for anything as they're not real, and it's a professional writer who's controlling their behaviour.

[ssjup81]

I have at times disliked OT Mike a lot and most Raphaels too. Raphael usually just because he's wasting run time on yet another "boy I sure am angry / think i would be a better leader just because, then learn my lesson" episode and then goes on to do more of them in the same show.Wow, you disliked OT Mikey?They also both tend to have less reach in the video games!But to balance that out, wasn't Mikey the fastest and Raph the strongest?Nick Donatello's crush gets really old too and makes him act like an idiot / entitled jerk a lot.I find it interesting how people interpret things differently. Yeah, he acts like an idiot (like most young inexperienced people with a crush), but I missed the "entitled jerk" part.

[Davetello]

I can honestly say no to this. I've liked them in all the mediums I've been exposed to. Usually said portrayal worked for said medium, so I view it as I would any type of story I may read. All characters are important or serve some purpose be it small or big. I may dislike a certain aspect of some characters, but not the character itself.

I hope that made sense.

Yeah, that makes sense :) You dislike aspects or facets of a person but it doesn't extend to their entire personality. You allude to what I did - that all characters are a piece in the whole story, and while the turtles are the biggest piece, they're not all of it.

I have at times disliked OT Mike a lot and most Raphaels too. Raphael usually just because he's wasting run time on yet another "boy I sure am angry / think i would be a better leader just because, then learn my lesson" episode and then goes on to do more of them in the same show.

They also both tend to have less reach in the video games!

Nick Donatello's crush gets really old too and makes him act like an idiot / entitled jerk a lot.

Good answer. The character of Raphael is a typical one in fiction (the angry aggressive anti-hero) but he's never really annoyed me. In fact as I've grown older he's the one who's jumped the highest in my 'ranking', as I can relate to his attitude. He's now my second favourite turtle, I would say. Back in the day he'd probably have been fourth.

Lol good point about the games. In Turtles in Time Raph loses health very quickly too - all he has going for him is speed. In the NES game he and Mikey are borderline pointless.

Donatello is obviously my top man, but Donnie/April thing is doing my head in and sort of putting me off the show. Yes, he's a teenager and it's natural that he'd develop romantic feelings for a female, even a human female. But it's way overplayed imo.

[IndigoErth]

I kind of agree with the 2007 movie in how they made Leo look - which is what came to mind when I saw your thread title - but with him being my #1 fave I put my dislike for it the writers and his portrayal.

I could see angry siblings potentially purposely saying such cutting remarks because they know it would get under the other's skin... after all, I don't recall him speaking that way to anyone else or at any other moment. But I don't care for it though, Leo is normally not the jackass type like that, at least not in media I'm familiar with. The 2007 movie is prob my lowest rated out of them all because of that...

Can't say I've ever outright disliked any of the four. They're all pretty cool for the most part, though Leo of course is the star of the show in my eyes. I'm fairly neutral on Donnie and Mikey, like them just fine. As for Raph, I tend to share perspectives that are more similar to Leo when there is a conflict and he (Raph) occasionally rubs me the wrong way a little, but I don't dislike Raph. I appreciate that he and Leo would not be who they are without each other. And though Raph is pretty well counter to my own personalty, I do understand the part where he just has to go be alone for a while when he's really angry/upset.

That all said... Nah, I don't think anyone has any responsibly to have to like them all. Leo may be my adored one out of the four, but I know his brothers all have their own fans who love them just as much so it evens out. ;)

[Cryomancer]

Wow, you disliked OT Mikey?

Yeah, he acts like an idiot (like most young inexperienced people with a crush), but I missed the "entitled jerk" part.

Maybe not OT mike himself as much the effect he has on the franchise as a whole? Seems like the main source of most of the OT worship I guess, the pizza, so on. The stuff that prevents Mirage adaptions or whatever. That and sometimes he's just a dumbass who prioritizes pizza over everything else.

The entitlement part with Don just is how it kind of feels like he's falling into stupid "nice guy" territory where he thinks April has to be "for him" because he likes her. Doesn't help that it's literally the first woman he's been around that he's doing it to. I'm not a SJW type but I'm just hoping the writers are setting him up for learning that maybe he's doing it incredibly wrong and should just accept their existing friendship and move on. Gravity Falls just did this in one of the new episodes, thankfully burying that boring subplot forever (I hope).

[ssjup81]

Yeah, that makes sense :) You dislike aspects or facets of a person but it doesn't extend to their entire personality. You allude to what I did - that all characters are a piece in the whole story, and while the turtles are the biggest piece, they're not all of it.Yeah, pretty much. Let's take Donnie for the current series. When watching through season 1, I found Donnie's crush a bit bothersome since he would lose his focus easily, but I still really like the character for the other aspects. I find his emotional outbursts funny, for instance. Season 2, I like him even more. It also helps that they toned down his crush so much. I know there's more to Donnie than just his crush on April. He's the techy one. He's the compassionate one. He's the smart one, etc.

In the past, I could never get very attached to Leo because he was the goody-goody. The teacher's pet type, but I LOVE his portrayal in the Nick series, flaws and all. His flaws can be bothersome, but I know there's more to him than that.

I'm a bit indifferent to Splinter in this incarnation and sometimes do feel he's a bit harsh in his ways and how, sometimes, it comes across as taking out his frustrations on the turtles (but I doubt it), but he's still important.

The same goes for the other characters. Unless the character was purposely written to be pointless, I view all characters as important.

Even Timothy I think was "important" and served a purpose. He showed us that you can't get results overnight and that you actually have to work hard to get the results you want when it comes to most anything in life.

[Davetello]

I kind of agree with the 2007 movie in how they made Leo look - which is what came to mind when I saw your thread title - but with him being my #1 fave I put my dislike for it the writers and his portrayal.

I could see angry siblings potentially purposely saying such cutting remarks because they know it would get under the other's skin... after all, I don't recall him speaking that way to anyone else or at any other moment. But I don't care for it though, Leo is normally not the jackass type like that, at least not in media I'm familiar with. The 2007 movie is prob my lowest rated out of them all because of that...

Can't say I've ever outright disliked any of the four. They're all pretty cool for the most part, though Leo of course is the star of the show in my eyes. I'm fairly neutral on Donnie and Mikey, like them just fine. As for Raph, I tend to share perspectives that are more similar to Leo when there is a conflict and he (Raph) occasionally rubs me the wrong way a little, but I don't dislike Raph. I appreciate that he and Leo would not be who they are without each other. And though Raph is pretty well counter to my own personalty, I do understand the part where he just has to go be alone for a while when he's really angry/upset.

That all said... Nah, I don't think anyone has any responsibly to have to like them all. Leo may be my adored one out of the four, but I know his brothers all have their own fans who love them just as much so it evens out. ;)

Great post, and you've nailed it with the bold part.

When I think back though it shows the power of the scene, and how it did so much right. If Leo's behaviour elicited such feelings in me, the viewer (to the point I wanted Raph to seriously hurt Leo), imagine what it did to Raph himself? Well, we see that when he almost kills Leo - literally. Such a brilliant scene.

[Davetello]

Yeah, pretty much. Let's take Donnie for the current series. When watching through season 1, I found Donnie's crush a bit bothersome since he would lose his focus easily, but I still really like the character for the other aspects. I find his emotional outbursts funny, for instance. Season 2, I like him even more. It also helps that they toned down his crush so much. I know there's more to Donnie than just his crush on April. He's the techy one. He's the compassionate one. He's the smart one, etc.

In the past, I could never get very attached to Leo because he was the goody-goody. The teacher's pet type, but I LOVE his portrayal in the Nick series, flaws and all. His flaws can be bothersome, but I know there's more to him than that.

I'm a bit indifferent to Splinter in this incarnation and sometimes do feel he's a bit harsh in his ways and how, sometimes, it comes across as taking out his frustrations on the turtles (but I doubt it), but he's still important.

The same goes for the other characters. Unless the character was purposely written to be pointless, I view all characters as important.

Even Timothy I think was "important" and served a purpose. He showed us that you can't get results overnight and that you actually have to work hard to get the results you want when it comes to most anything in life.

Nice post. And I'd even argue that poorer characters in fiction serve a purpose, even though they're much lambasted. They can often make strong characters look even better by comparison, and as we imply, they are often integral to the overall story even if their piece of it is poorly executed.

Although some people might disagree with that. There is that saying - "you're only as strong as your weakest link".

[ssjup81]

Maybe not OT mike himself as much the effect he has on the franchise as a whole? Seems like the main source of most of the OT worship I guess, the pizza, so on. The stuff that prevents Mirage adaptions or whatever. That and sometimes he's just a dumbass who prioritizes pizza over everything else.Well, yeah, can't deny that one. When I started watching the Nick version, I posted on my thoughts after getting through the first season. I hated the fact that he was being portrayed as so dumb, but seems they're easing up on that as the series goes on. Season 2, he's much more tolerable. Seems he is the glutton, though.The entitlement part with Don just is how it kind of feels like he's falling into stupid "nice guy" territory where he thinks April has to be "for him" because he likes her. Doesn't help that it's literally the first woman he's been around that he's doing it to. I'm not a SJW type but I'm just hoping the writers are setting him up for learning that maybe he's doing it incredibly wrong and should just accept their existing friendship and move on. Gravity Falls just did this in one of the new episodes, thankfully burying that boring subplot forever (I hope).This goes back to the "interpretation" thing I mentioned earlier. For me, it comes across that Donnie values April's friendship more than his crush on her, as I got that impression from the Fungus Humungus episode. The things said first was regarding the friendship. I interpreted it as meaning that Donnie's worst fear was losing April's friendship again and that all the romance stuff was secondary and played for laughs. OH, one other thing. I also felt that the episode showed that compared to his brothers, Donnie has a complex over being a mutant.

As for the subplot as a whole, for me, it's not bothering me since it's been toned down so much. For me, if it was like how it was in season 1, then I think this aspect would bother me. It still comes across as very innocent to me.

As for Gravity Falls...I have no idea what that is, so sorry I can't get the parallel. ^^

[Davetello]

Maybe not OT mike himself as much the effect he has on the franchise as a whole? Seems like the main source of most of the OT worship I guess, the pizza, so on. The stuff that prevents Mirage adaptions or whatever. That and sometimes he's just a dumbass who prioritizes pizza over everything else.



That's a really good point. Mikey's personality (mainly post Mirage where it's been wildly exaggerated) is a noose around the neck of this franchise. Despite Turtles Forever portraying the four OT turtles as goofy, Leo and Donnie were never like that in the show. Raph was sarcastic, but not particularly fun-loving. I get the feeling that the OT turtles were homogenised in Turtles Forever simply to serve as a stark contrast to the 4kids turtles.

But going back to Mikey - there is no doubt that (generally speaking) amongst casual fans and young fans of this franchise, the turtles are about pizza, catchphrases, being fun-loving and wacky. They've all been portrayed in this light in some way, but Mikey embodies all of it as he is portrayed this way far more than the others. Mikey is by far the most popular turtle amongst casual fans, and sometimes he's the only turtle whose name some of them can remember. It might seem controversial, but you could argue that Michelangelo is the reason this franchise will forever be known as 'kiddy' in the mainstream.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Leonardo in the 2007 film, because he was a two faced hypocrite Prick who was doing the same thing in the jungle that Raph did in the city...

Only to come back, get a medal from Splinter, get his butt kissed by the rest of his family, and no one calls Leo on his BS Except Raph (It's like "Oh hey, thanks for not writing for a few years and making us think that maybe you were dead/hurt/whatever. Oh, and you get a medal too? And it's no worries! And it's ok that you 'fight crime' as long as it's in a jungle? And praises from Splinter? But me doing it in the city...with a disguise that even you, Mikey, or Donny didn't recognize me in...? That's just Wrong.")

I hated Leo in that flick.

[Victorsaurus]

Yes...for now.
I dislike the appearance of the four turtles from the 2014 movie.
They look really ugly and big to me plus I don't like the extra stuff they have on.

I still have not seen the movie (I'm still looking foward to watching it), but hope to see it when it comes out on DVD or just wait for part two and see them around the same time.

[Davetello]

Leonardo in the 2007 film, because he was a two faced hypocrite Prick who was doing the same thing in the jungle that Raph did in the city...

Only to come back, get a medal from Splinter, get his butt kissed by the rest of his family, and no one calls Leo on his BS Except Raph (It's like "Oh hey, thanks for not writing for a few years and making us think that maybe you were dead/hurt/whatever. Oh, and you get a medal too? And it's no worries! And it's ok that you 'fight crime' as long as it's in a jungle? But me doing it in the city (with a disguise that even you, Mikey, or Donny didn't recognize me in)? That's just Wrong.")

I hated Leo in that flick.

Another great point.

As for the Nightwatcher thing - who did Leo think he was? Did he think he was the law in New York City? Fair enough if he didn't agree with vigilante actions (lol, hypocrisy as you state), but did he really think he could talk Nightwatcher out of his actions? That summed up his delusions of grandeur for me - he thought he could lecture anyone and they'd go along with his views (probably because of years of Mikey and Donnie being submissive and in awe of him).

Then when the armour came off and he found out Nightwatcher was Raphael, what did he do? Raph was clearly distraught and venting his frustrations, yet all Leo could do was judge - calling Raph impulsive etc, and then the kicker - slowly turning to face Raph, looking him straight in the eye and telling him "I'm better than you" in that cold, calculating, superior tone. He knew how that would affect a clearly struggling Raphael yet he did it anyway.

Like you I was on Raphael's side to a ridiculous degree. I've never felt favouritism like it when two of the turtles have had an argument. I really felt for him and related to him, and he needed that victory over Leo (I consider it a victory, even if some don't because they feel Leo was holding back). Not that it felt like a victory for him at the time, of course.

[Davetello]

Yes...for now.
I dislike the appearance of the four turtles from the 2014 movie.
They look really ugly and big to me plus I don't like the extra stuff they have on.

I still have not seen the movie (I'm still looking foward to watching it), but hope to see it when it comes out on DVD or just wait for part two and see them around the same time.

Fair enough mate - I'm really talking about their personalities or actions though. I know what you mean about not liking their appearance in the film but that's not what I am getting at. I fully agree though - I hate their look in the film too.

The film isn't very good, imo. However, you should certainly watch it as it's important to experience as many turtles iterations as we can eventually.

[Prowler]

When I was a kid, there was a period where I disliked Leonardo. I just thought he didn't fit in the FW series and found his personality boring and his bossy attitude annoying. All the other turtles had something going for them that I liked, but Leonardo was just the "leader", the bossy turtle that licked Splinter's boots.Then came the 2k3 series and I stopped disliking him. Even though he was still a bit annoying with his idealism and the "I know best" attitude, at least he had the skills to back it up. It wasn't really a big deal him being the most skilled turtle of the bunch, after all he was the leader, so it made sense. I could have used less Leonardo centric episodes, though.

I like the four turtles these days, even though I dislike certain incarnations of them, mainly FW's Leonardo and 2k3's Michelangelo, but as a whole I like the whole bunch. That being said, I've always liked Donatello and Raphael more than I like Michelangelo and Leonardo.

[Davetello]

When I was a kid, there was a period where I disliked Leonardo. I just thought he didn't fit in the FW series and found his personality boring and his bossy attitude annoying. All the other turtles had something going for them that I liked, but Leonardo was just the "leader", the bossy turtle that licked Splinter's boots.Then came the 2k3 series and I stopped disliking him. Even though he was still a bit annoying with his idealism and the "I know best" attitude, at least he had the skills to back it up. It wasn't really a big deal him being the most skilled turtle of the bunch, after all he was the leader, so it made sense. I could have used less Leonardo centric episodes, though.

I like the four turtles these days, even though I dislike certain incarnations of them, mainly FW's Leonardo and 2k3's Michelangelo, but as a whole I like the whole bunch. That being said, I've always liked Donatello and Raphael more than I like Michelangelo and Leonardo.

I know what you mean about OT Leonardo. He doesn't really have a personality; he's just a blank canvas. To be fair he's better in season 1, but after that he just has one mode of action and that's to be serious and straight-forward all the time. This is so much the case that it actually serves as a theme where episodes make a point of this homogeneous personality type e.g. "Leonardo Lightens Up". The guy had to be shot by one of Donatello's inventions to actually develop some sort of personality. All in all he's just sort of 'there'. Nothing wrong with that as I still love him in the show and he's an integral part of that, and he keeps the guys on track in terms of focus. But generally speaking he's just bland and has one way of acting.

On the other hand 4kids Leo is a very layered character. His Splinter sycophancy and devotion to his craft is something which actually develops him as a character - aided of course by Raphael being the proper Raphael (something OT didn't have). This is what is meant above by the claim that the two of them make each other who they are (apologies for not referencing the poster by name as I have forgotten who said it and am currently typing this so not gonna leave the reply box to look). And then of course there's the development he undergoes in season 4 where he finally cracks after the events of "Exodus". That really showed what can happen when someone stable snaps and is a lesson that even the most level-headed and mentally focused people have their breaking point - sort of like when you hear "he always seemed so normal, I can't believe he did that". Mirage Leo is brilliant as well. And I love Leo in the original film - even though he has similar issues with Raph, the argument in April's is more of a heat of the moment thing and you can actually understand it because Raph does go OTT with his impulsive desire to look for Splinter.That's more of an escalating argument, as opposed to the astonishing arrogance and ego displayed by Leo when the pair of them fight in "TMNT". And the way that Raph and Leo sort of have a personality swap on the roof when Shredder is taunting them about Splinter is pretty nice.

Edit: I suppose you could say the "we don't need ya" line is out of order in the original film. But it's still heat of the moment, whereas you know "TMNT" Leo believes everything he's saying and has clearly pondered things privately.

[Prowler]

I know what you mean about OT Leonardo. He doesn't really have a personality; he's just a blank canvas. To be fair he's better in season 1, but after that he just has one mode of action and that's to be serious and straight-forward all the time. This is so much the case that it actually serves as a theme where episodes make a point of this homogeneous personality type e.g. "Leonardo Lightens Up". The guy had to be shot by one of Donatello's inventions to actually develop some sort of personality. All in all he's just sort of 'there'. Nothing wrong with that as I still love him in the show and he's an integral part of that, and he keeps the guys on track in terms of focus. But generally speaking he's just bland and has one way of acting.

On the other hand 4kids Leo is a very layered character. His Splinter sycophancy and devotion to his craft is something which actually develops him as a character - aided of course by Raphael being the proper Raphael (something OT didn't have). This is what is meant above by the claim that the two of them make each other who they are (apologies for not referencing the poster by name as I have forgotten who said it and am currently typing this so not gonna leave the reply box to look). And then of course there's the development he undergoes in season 4 where he finally cracks after the events of "Exodus". That really showed what can happen when someone stable snaps and is a lesson that even the most level-headed and mentally focused people have their breaking point - sort of like when you hear "he always seemed so normal, I can't believe he did that". Mirage Leo is brilliant as well. And I love Leo in the original film - even though he has similar issues with Raph, the argument in April's is more of a heat of the moment thing and you can actually understand it because Raph does go OTT with his impulsive desire to look for Splinter. That's more of an escalating argument, as opposed to the astonishing arrogance and ego displayed by Leo when the pair of them fight in "TMNT".

Exactly. He was fine in season 1, but after that he became bland and Cam Clarke started using a higher pitch for his voice which made him sound annoying at times.

FW's Raphael is my favorite version of the character. I also like movie 1 Raph as well. Raphael, like Michelangelo, started off alright in the 2k3 series, but his personality got worse and became more of a caricature of itself as the series went on.

My favorite version of Donatello is also FW's.

[Davetello]

Exactly. He was fine in season 1, but after that he became bland and Cam Clarke started using a higher pitch for his voice which made him sound annoying at times.

FW's Raphael is my favorite version of the character. I also like movie 1 Raph as well. Raphael, like Michelangelo, started off alright in the 2k3 series, but his personality got worse and became more of a caricature of itself as the series went on.

My favorite version of Donatello is also FW's.

Yes, Clarke does seem to go way too high with the voice.

The thing about Raphael in OT is that I liked him at the time. I even still like him now. But now that I am a grown man and know what Raphael is like in Mirage, it just doesn't feel like Raphael. He's a well executed character and he's funny - but he's just not Raphael for me.

I think it's pretty funny the way the two bicker. Two of my favourite Raph/Mikey scenes from 4kids are, firstly, when Raph tells Mikey to shut it in "Reflections" (backing up Leo in the same statement, showing that despite their sibling rivalry they essentially stand for the same things and value family above all else) and secondly when they enter Bishop's facility in "Good Genes" - Mikey is worrying about aliens and 'area 51' and Raph says "can it Mikey I'm warning ya". It's funny because you know that he loves Mikey so much and would do anything to protect him, but here he is warning him like he's his father because he's tired of his immature moaning about aliens.

What I don't like about 4kids is when the other turtles and Splinter smack Mikey on the head. That's wrong.

[turtlefanforever]

every character in the nick series and bay movie for the full duration.

[Prowler]

Yes, Clarke does seem to go way too high with the voice.

The thing about Raphael in OT is that I liked him at the time. I even still like him now. But now that I am a grown man and know what Raphael is like in Mirage, it just doesn't feel like Raphael. He's a well executed character and he's funny - but he's just not Raphael for me.

I think it's pretty funny the way the two bicker. Two of my favourite Raph/Mikey scenes from 4kids are, firstly, when Raph tells Mikey to shut it in "Reflections" (backing up Leo in the same statement, showing that despite their sibling rivalry they essentially stand for the same things and value family above all else) and secondly when they enter Bishop's facility in "Good Genes" - Mikey is worrying about aliens and 'area 51' and Raph says "can it Mikey I'm warning ya". It's funny because you know that he loves Mikey so much and would do anything to protect him, but here he is warning him like he's his father because he's tired of his immature moaning about aliens.

What I don't like about 4kids is when the other turtles and Splinter smack Mikey on the head. That's wrong.

As much as I respect Mirage for being the source material, I don't automatically like it better because of it. I liked hothead Raphael better when I was in my early teens, but nowadays I don't care much about it. I prefer the cynical/sarcastic Raphael.

I prefer the way Raphael taunts Michelangelo in the FW series myself. Never cared much for the whole Leonardo vs. Raphael thing. I'm glad the FW series didn't have any of that.

Also, it's a shame no Donatello has ever come close to the FW series one. That version of his was nerdy yet strong and assertive. he felt more like a leader than Leonardo did.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

The thing about Raphael in OT is that I liked him at the time. I even still like him now. But now that I am a grown man and know what Raphael is like in Mirage, it just doesn't feel like Raphael. He's a well executed character and he's funny - but he's just not Raphael for me.

That pretty much sums up my opinion of OT Raphael. It makes me glad that Rob is voicing a turtle that as the staff of the Nick series puts it "his sensibilities matches with their vision of Donatello". Although, part of me would like to see a little of OT Raph in the Nick Don.

I dislike Nick Mikey for the same reasons that everyone else has. Nick Raph, even for Raph, is very harsh! He just comes off as a bully.

[Davetello]

every character in the nick series and bay movie for the full duration.

Can you expand on why? I'm pretty sure I can guess your criticisms but it'd be nice to hear them anyway.

As much as I respect Mirage for being the source material, I don't automatically like it better because of it. I liked hothead Raphael better when I was in my early teens, but nowadays I don't care much about it. I prefer the cynical/sarcastic Raphael.

I prefer the way Raphael taunts Michelangelo in the FW series myself. Never cared much for the whole Leonardo vs. Raphael thing. I'm glad the FW series didn't have any of that.

Also, it's a shame no Donatello has ever come close to the FW series one. That version of his was nerdy yet strong and assertive. he felt more like a leader than Leonardo did.

Yeah, preferring something by default because it's the source is a dangerous precedent to set. But that's honestly not why I prefer Mirage Raph. I just prefer that depiction of the character. If Raph had originally been sarcastic but then altered to being a hothead I'd still feel similarly.

Hmm, I do care about Leo vs Raph but variation in posters is nice. I see what you mean about FW - Raph taunts Mikey in a pretty clever and funny way sometimes, with some great one-liners.

I forgot to address your part about Donatello in the previous quote, bizarrely. I agree that FW is probably the best Donnie simply for the reasons you say. The original film was not faithful to Donnie (one of the few things I dislike about it) and in Mirage he's more of a clever tinkerer and hacker than a bonafide genius (unlike with Raph then I don't prefer the source material depiction). In 4kids he's a genius but he has a more emotional side to his character. That's great but he just doesn't seem nerdy enough, as you imply. The OT Don is the best, I agree. Plus if not for him they'd have been dead after a few episodes. That's true of all iterations, but especially OT.

People will say it's bias talking but Donatello is clearly the most important turtle in terms of succeeding in missions. If not for him they wouldn't have the gadgets and resources they do and wouldn't figure out ways to defeat enemies.

[Davetello]

That pretty much sums up my opinion of OT Raphael. It makes me glad that Rob is voicing a turtle that as the staff of the Nick series puts it "his sensibilities matches with their vision of Donatello".Although part of me would like to see a little of OT Raph in the Nick Don.

I dislike Nick Mikey for the same reasons that everyone else has. Nick Raph, even for Raph, is very harsh! He just comes off as a bully.

Yeah, Paulsen does seem to be more of a Donatello type. His voice never seemed to suit Raphael either, not even as the sarcastic wiseguy Raph.

Yeah, Nick Raph seems pretty insensitive of anyone's feelings, lol.

[Prowler]

Can you expand on why? I'm pretty sure I can guess your criticisms but it'd be nice to hear them anyway.



Yeah, preferring something by default because it's the source is a dangerous precedent to set. But that's honestly not why I prefer Mirage Raph. I just prefer that depiction of the character. If Raph had originally been sarcastic but then altered to being a hothead I'd still feel similarly.

Hmm, I do care about Leo vs Raph but variation in posters is nice. I see what you mean about FW - Raph taunts Mikey in a pretty clever and funny was sometimes, with some great one-liners.

I forgot to address your part about Donatello in the previous quote, bizarrely. I agree that FW is probably the best Donnie simply for the reasons you say. The original film was not faithful to Donnie (one of the few things I dislike about it) and in Mirage he's more of a clever tinkerer and hacker than a bonafide genius (unlike with Raph then I don't prefer the source material depiction). In 4kids he's a genius but he has a more emotional side to his character. That's great but he just doesn't seem nerdy enough, as you imply. The OT Don is the best, I agree. Plus if not for him they'd have been dead after a few episodes. That's true of all iterations, but especially OT.

People will say it's bias talking but Donatello is clearly the most important turtle in terms of succeeding in missions. If not for him they wouldn't have the gadgets and resources they do and wouldn't figure out ways to defeat enemies.
Yea, Corey Feldman was annoying and spouted cringe worthy lines.

Yeah, Paulsen does seem to be more of a Donatello type. His voice never seemed to suit Raphael either, not even as the sarcastic wiseguy Raph.

I disagree. Raphael wasn't the only funny/sarcastic character that Paulsen has voiced. He has also voiced Mighty Max, one of the Animaniacs, Pinky and the Mask. All memorable characters... well Mighty Max not so much.

Feels strange hearing Paulsen voicing Donatello instead of Raphael. Life does take strange turns sometimes, doesn't it?

[Davetello]

Yea, Corey Feldman was annoying and spouted cringe worthy lines.


I disagree. Raphael wasn't the only funny/sarcastic character that Paulsen has voiced. He has also voiced Mighty Max, one of the Animaniacs, Pinky and the Mask. All memorable characters... well Mighty Max not so much.

Feels strange hearing Paulsen voicing Donatello instead of Raphael. Life does take strange turns sometimes, doesn't it?

Feldman was irritating and his voice is probably the antithesis of What Donnie's voice should be but it was clearly a case of getting in a big contemporary star. But as you imply he wasn't the only problem - his performance was average but some of the writing for Don was terrible. I hated the way he was portrayed as Mikey's sidekick rather than as Donnie. He and Mikes have always been close but not in a 'lol we are stoners" manner. SotO rectified things somewhat and the voicing was better but he still seemed too jokey for Don. A great part of that film through is how Donnie is the guy who can't accept that they were essentially an accident. Love his disbelieving scenes with Splinter and Perry in that film.

I don't know about any of Paulsen's other work as I've never followed any of those shows, so apologies for misrepresenting him. But yeah it is strange to hear him voice Donatello - sometimes can be distracting as I almost think I'm listening to Raphael. Life does indeed move in mysterious ways.

[Powder]

It will come as no surprise when I say that I have difficulty liking the turtles in the new movie. That will never change. I mean, maybe they'll be a little better in the sequel, but as far as the first one is concerned, meh.

4kids Mikey was grating. Nick Mikey has finally started getting to me a little, too. I don't exactly hold a grudge with either of the characters, but there are moments with them both where I'm like uuuughh, chill.

[Davetello]

It will come as no surprise when I say that I have difficulty liking the turtles in the new movie. That will never change. I mean, maybe they'll be a little better in the sequel, but as far as the first one is concerned, meh.

4kids Mikey was grating. Nick Mikey has finally started getting to me a little, too. I don't exactly hold a grudge with either of the characters, but there are moments with them both where I'm like uuuughh, chill.

At this stage I'm not even sure I want a sequel. The first is average/poor enough. I've generally avoided threads about the film as I didn't want to p!ss on people's chips too much (the people who enjoyed the film), but I had to make a few comments. I do read a lot of the threads though so I know what's going on there. The place has been split to say the least.

Mikey is strange really. He essentially has the same personality in all three cartoons, but he's more in your face and obnoxious in Nick and especially 4kids. In OT he was the stoner type, jokey type as well but he never actually seemed to want to annoy anyone.

[Prowler]

At this stage I'm not even sure I want a sequel. The first is average/poor enough. I've generally avoided threads about the film as I didn't want to p!ss on people's chips too much (the people who enjoyed the film), but I had to make a few comments. I do read a lot of the threads though so I know what's going on there. The place has been split to say the least.

Mikey is strange really. He essentially has the same personality in all three cartoons, but he's more in your face and obnoxious in Nick and especially 4kids. In OT he was the stoner type, jokey type as well but he never actually seemed to want to annoy anyone.
That's because he didn't try to be funny or the center of attention that much. His jokes in OT felt more natural. He wasn't trying too hard and just let Raphael handle it. Hell, there's even a line in the OT where Raphael disapproves of a Mikey joke by laughing it off and saying "Leave the jokes to the professionals, Michelangelo." or something like that.

Michelangelo was just chill instead of acting like a needy hyperactive child.

[Davetello]

That's because he didn't try to be funny or the center of attention that much. His jokes in OT felt more natural. He wasn't trying too hard and just let Raphael handle it. Hell, there's even a line in the OT where Raphael disapproves of a Mikey joke by laughing it off and saying "Leave the jokes to the professionals, Michelangelo." or something like that.

Michelangelo was just chill instead of acting like a needy hyperactive child.

Yeah, that's exactly it.

Although I wonder if raphael's more traditional depiction in Nick and 4kids is what Mikey is reacting to - he feels threatened by Raph's 'masculinity' and anger, so he acts out in order to try and position himself on Raph's level. As you said ealier Raph took the p!ss out of him in FW too, but it was in a more cererbral, less aggressive way. I wonder if FW Mikey would have turned out the same had he had to deal with 4kids Raph.

Donnie and Leo are the same - more emotional and layered in 4kids than OT, so maybe that contrubites too (although it isn't as pronounced as the reaction to Raph).

Meant to say earlier that your comment that Donnie seems like more of the leader than Leo in OT is spot on.

[terrorblade]

I really dislike Leo in the 4kids series. The whole emo Leo phase shouldn't have lasted for half a season. The show also made him very overpowered compare to the rest of the turtles after his emo phase had been resolved. For me, the Nick version of Leo is the most tolerable version of the character. I'm also of one of the few people that actually like the dumb Mikey in the Nick series.

[Shark_Blade]

I dislike 2k3 Raph because he sounds like a 50 year old chainsmoker instead of a teenager.

2k3 Leo is so arrogant at times, I'd like to shove his swords up his ass.

Those are some of the many reasons I don't really find 2k3 inviting to watch.

[Mellie]

Mikey gets annoying sometimes, but I love him. I don't like when he's portrayed as a moron though.

I've always been pretty neutral with Leo. Not a huge fan, but no hate. Nickelodeon Leo might be my favorite.

I've never disliked Donnie. Live action movie Don is my fav.

I adore Raphael, but I can completely understand if someone doesn't like him. :lol:

[87tmntfan]

Raph is starting to bother me in the nick toon. But does lighten up some times so it give it some balance.
I only watched a couple of episodes of the 03 series including turtles forever.
And don't really care for is character.
As for the movies I liked him more in the 3rd then the first 2.

[BabyTurtles]

I'm disliking Donnie in the Nick show right now.

I also don't like when Mikey is portrayed as an idiot in the Nick version (but I can't help loving him anyway)

[RaphaelinSTL]

Raphael will always be my favorite turtle and Mikey is a close second because that was my younger brother of 4 years favorite..

I have a major problem with Raphael and Michelangelo in the new TMNT movie. Raph is playing way too much of a giant brute and not only is his design even worse in motion, the way he talks as a "tough guy" is really obnoxious. I always think of that last scene when Raph is in the turtle van talking to April and Raph is going on his "You could've ratted us out..." speech but the way his CGI face looks and his voice just makes him come across so douchey.

I also think Mikey is written horribly. I'm so damn tired of them writing him as moronic as opposed to being naturally funny. I don't think this will ever happen with Michelangelo unless someone else besides Platinum Dunes or Viacom has some control on new TMNT media. I don't mind the 2012 Mikey as much as he's portrayed as much younger in that show....but in the new movie Michelangelo is both creepy, idiotic and annoying.

Other than that I've dug every other interpretation of the TMNT. Shame that new movie made two of my favorite characters unbearable.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Feldman was irritating and his voice is probably the antithesis of What Donnie's voice should be but it was clearly a case of getting in a big contemporary star. But as you imply he wasn't the only problem - his performance was average but some of the writing for Don was terrible. I hated the way he was portrayed as Mikey's sidekick rather than as Donnie. He and Mikes have always been close but not in a 'lol we are stoners" manner. SotO rectified things somewhat and the voicing was better but he still seemed too jokey for Don. A great part of that film through is how Donnie is the guy who can't accept that they were essentially an accident. Love his disbelieving scenes with Splinter and Perry in that film.



Donnie in the original film was NEVER "Mikey's sidekick". He was the voice of reason and moderation, the one who would step back and look at both sides of the equation- and knew when to step aside and let the two Alphas hash it out. "Fight? Fight. Kitchen? Kitchen." He was also more subtle as the "nerdy one" in the first movie, with his quick knowledge of facts when playing the Trivial Pursuit game, the comment during the campfire "I came prepared" so he was clearly thinking ahead there, being able to help Casey with the truck, his joke about Penacillin on the pizza (it was moldy, so....), his assessment of Casey being claustrophobic, or his observations on Mikey's jokes in the last fight. Donnie in that movie is much less the "over-the-top" type of nerd, and honestly, I felt Feldman's voice worked well for that type. He's intellectual, but not a "know-it-all" like some versions. And he was a laid-back sort of nerd, who is as secure in his mental abilities as he is with his physical ones.


Raph is starting to bother me in the nick toon. But does lighten up some times so it give it some balance.
I only watched a couple of episodes of the 03 series including turtles forever.
And don't really care for is character.
As for the movies I liked him more in the 3rd then the first 2.


Of all the turtles, Raph is the one I've usually liked least, save for his OT version, where he was actually my second fave after Mikey. I loved his snarky, tongue-in-cheek humor and cynical, jaded attitude- and all those one-liners, especially the fourth-wall breaking ones. Puns and cheesy jokes have always been a guilty pleasure of mine (I cut my reading teeth on the likes of Robert Aspirin and Piers Anthony!) so I could relate to him in that version better. Every other version, I usually end up wanting to slap him for being such an a$$.....


I'm disliking Donnie in the Nick show right now.

I also don't like when Mikey is portrayed as an idiot in the Nick version (but I can't help loving him anyway)


Ditto to this, as I feel like it simply made him into a long-running gag that has long since grown stale. He has had little in the way of development, and what he does have mainly revolves around him trying to prove himself equal to his brothers, and constantly getting brushed off on the rare occasions when he does.


As to the subject of the thread, I'd have to agree that the one time I can recall actively DISLIKING any of the turtles was that 2K7 fight between Leo and Raph. As others have pointed out, Leo was a hypocrite and a jerk throughout that scene, who fully deserved the beat-down Raph gave him. The truly odd thing is that he never apologized for his behavior, but Raph still forgave him. I also dislike Raph at times in the Nick show, as he does come off as a jerk and a bully quite often.

[Warhorse]

I've never disliked any of the Turtles. But, I have disliked many Leonardo fans, and I know it sometimes it carries on in discussion threads. Now, while I don't dislike any of them, there are times where I get bored with Donny and Mikey.

[Powder]

But, I have disliked many Leonardo fans, and I know it sometimes it carries on in discussion threads.

Wtf? Elaborate.

[IndigoErth]

I've never disliked any of the Turtles. But, I have disliked many Leonardo fans, and I know it sometimes it carries on in discussion threads.
*poke* :P

I connect more though with the calmer, cautious, rational, diplomatic traits however... not mistaken bossiness to equal "leadership," maybe that helps. lol

Not to go off track, but I find it interesting that out of the small handful in my friends list, it's Mikey fans that are absent. Perhaps I bore them. lol


I dislike 2k3 Raph because he sounds like a 50 year old chainsmoker instead of a teenager.
Well in that case he's lucky he's not the one to get paired up with Knoxville this time around. lol

[Warhorse]

*poke* :P

I connect more though with the calmer, cautious, rational, diplomatic traits however... not mistaken bossiness to equal "leadership," maybe that helps. lol

Not to go off track, but I find it interesting that out of the small handful in my friends list, it's Mikey fans that are absent. Perhaps I bore them. lol

I just find I get in more tiffs by some really crazy Leo fans. One in particular was spamming my message box with lots of hate mail, and I had no choice but to report it to the mods, and they finally got rid of him. Granted, most of my friends on here, are either Raph or Leo fans, but just some of the crazy fans kind of remind me of those crazy Nolanites.

[Darth Knuckles]

For me I disliked Donnie back when I first watched the cartoon because I personally didn't like the color purple, being a gadget making guy, or a bo staff (stick) for a weapon back when I was a kid. I didn't think those three things together made a very interesting character. So I didn't like him very much.

But when I grew up more and had been a Raph fan for so long, I started disliking Leo the most of the brothers. I definitely think Donnie is an essential part of the team for his smarts now (especially for the 1987 cartoon). I wouldn't say I hate Leo, but I definitely think I like him the least of all of the brothers at this point. And that doesn't mean I don't really dislike him in certain situations. Usually over leadership decisions or making choices of course.

[neatoman]

I kind of dislike Mikey outside of the Mirage and IDW comics. For whatever reason it was decided that being the "Happy" one meant that he had to be presented as a dumb slacker.

[Warhorse]

I kind of dislike Mikey outside of the Mirage and IDW comics. For whatever reason it was decided that being the "Happy" one meant that he had to be presented as a dumb slacker.

I don't dislike Mikey, but I know what you mean and that for some reason, they tend to be writing him as a bratty 8 year old instead of the 15/16 year old he should be. I like the 1990 movie Mikey the most.

[Davetello]

Donnie in the original film was NEVER "Mikey's sidekick". He was the voice of reason and moderation, the one who would step back and look at both sides of the equation- and knew when to step aside and let the two Alphas hash it out. "Fight? Fight. Kitchen? Kitchen." He was also more subtle as the "nerdy one" in the first movie, with his quick knowledge of facts when playing the Trivial Pursuit game, the comment during the campfire "I came prepared" so he was clearly thinking ahead there, being able to help Casey with the truck, his joke about Penacillin on the pizza (it was moldy, so....), his assessment of Casey being claustrophobic, or his observations on Mikey's jokes in the last fight. Donnie in that movie is much less the "over-the-top" type of nerd, and honestly, I felt Feldman's voice worked well for that type. He's intellectual, but not a "know-it-all" like some versions. And he was a laid-back sort of nerd, who is as secure in his mental abilities as he is with his physical ones.


Apologies, I know exactly what you're saying. Donnie is shown as the smartest in a subtle manner, but my contention is that it should be made abundantly clear that Donatello is the genius of the brothers - and for me he wasn't. However, I can certainly see your argument - labelling him "Mikey's sidekick" was perhaps hyperbolic on my part.

Thanks to everyone else who replied to the topic since I last posted. I've enjoyed reading the comments and may respond to some later.

[Candy Kappa]

Not a turtle, but PD Splinter really grates my nerves. Like really.

[Slade]

Not a turtle, but PD Splinter really grates my nerves. Like really.

Count me in for this.

Also, I didn't like Donnie. Don't care for him all that much in the Nick toon either.

[Shark_Blade]

Why would anyone dislike Splinter?

I think 2k12 and 2k14 Splinter are great. They're strong, compassionate, kind, and yet very strict in discipline and doesn't hesitate to punish his pupils like any martial arts teacher.

[Refractive Reflections]

My interest waxes and wanes with TMNT, it depends sometimes on what's relevant or if I just haven't come to it for some time. But if there's a iteration I don't like, it turns from criticism to eventual, general indifference. But do I feel it's a "prerequisite" of sorts to be considered a fan to enjoy all the characterizations of the Turtles? :P Not really...

I don't like the 2K3 or 2012 iterations when it comes to Raph (not as much with Nick Raph at this time) or Mikey though, because they seem to consistently pigeon-hole them into being the "blind rageaholic one" and the "humorous idiot" respectively, when there so much potential to explore on Raph's anger and Mikey's optimism. I dunno, it just seems like such shallow writing when they leave them like that.

It's not that I don't like Raph's choleric personality necessarily, it's just what he becomes angry at. I'd prefer for him to be over-the-top angry when it comes to his enemies, fighting, or even major family problems rather than having it against anyone over the most trifling family issue (Mikey playfully teasing him). To me, it conflicts with Splinter's strict upbringing of them with Raphael throwing a childish temper tantrum over something so small; making it seem as if Splinter hasn't disciplined Raphael enough.

I didn't think it was possible to dislike Donatello, but Nick Donnie is changing that though. :ohwell:

I enjoyed the dynamic with the Turtles (and all four of their personalities) in the OT and the first movie the most, to me, the underlying family/friendship tone was more palpable and peaceful.

[Warhorse]

Why would anyone dislike Splinter?

I think 2k12 and 2k14 Splinter are great. They're strong, compassionate, kind, and yet very strict in discipline and doesn't hesitate to punish his pupils like any martial arts teacher.

Ha, they are easily the worst Splinters. They are none of what you claim they are. They are mean if not outright abusive. If they killed off Splinter in either of these 2 incarnations as he is depicted now, I wouldn't bat an eye.

[snake]

Venus. She counts.

[IndigoErth]

and doesn't hesitate to punish his pupils like any martial arts teacher.
The only issue I take with that though is that he's also their father, not just a teacher they are free to ditch at any time.

Punish them in a constructive way (i.e. 99 cheese pizza movie scene), ok. They didn't want to talk, then it's on them and they can deal with it, they had a way out via speaking up... But ripping their feet out from under them when caught sneaking in however felt more like dad loosing his cool and being a bit abusive in his reaction imo.

[Warhorse]

The only issue I take with that though is that he's also their father, not just a teacher they are free to ditch at any time.

Punish them in a constructive way (i.e. 99 cheese pizza movie scene), ok. They didn't want to talk, then it's on them and they can deal with it, they had a way out via speaking up... But ripping their feet out from under them when caught sneaking in however felt more like dad loosing his cool and being a bit abusive in his reaction imo.

I really did not like it at all in the movie when Splinter lifted Raph by the throat. Not at all. It brought back so many bad memories I watched when I was a kid when my friend's father would do the same to him, for no reason except for coming home late. That guy was such a monster, and the 2014 Splinter reminded me of him.

2012 Splinter is definitely getting there. I swear, it seems like every other episode, he is smacking or knocking Raph, or putting him down and never sticking up for him against his other brothers. I'm starting to see why Raph is the way he is, it's because the way Splinter is treating him. He talks about compassion and all of that yadyadayada, but yet, he fails to heed his own advise when it comes to his own son. Violence against a temperatmental teen is never a good idea! I know from personal experience.

[fridaynightdestination]

I am right now with Raphael. Sorry.

[Candy Kappa]

Why would anyone dislike Splinter?

I think 2k12 and 2k14 Splinter are great. They're strong, compassionate, kind, and yet very strict in discipline and doesn't hesitate to punish his pupils like any martial arts teacher.

PD Splinter have no respect for the sword and do not do proper etiquette. Of all the various Splinter's he is the worst and don't deserve to be called Sensei.

[IndigoErth]

I am right now with Raphael. Sorry.
Is this a hostage situation? Do you need assistance?



(Sorry, maybe you were just responding to the thread title question, though that's how I 'heard' it. lol)

[Vicky82]

I haven't disliked any of the turtles in any version but Leo is my least. favourite Turtle (in some versions).

80s Cartoon

Raph was my favourite
Mikey
Donnie
Leo was my least favourite,

2K3 turtles

Donnie - He was fine, Donnie was my favourite in the 2K3 show.
Mikey - I do like him and he had some great moments but he did get bit annoying.
Raph - His voice
Leo - Stories were focused too much on him and the PTSD story got a bit too much. He is my least favourite Turtle

2K12
Mikey is my favourte,
Leo
Donnie/Raph tied 3rd (haven't got a least favourite for this show yet)

IDW
Mikey is my favourite
Leo
Raph
Donnie is my least favourite

2007 movie

Mikey was my favourite
Donnie
Raph
Leo was the least favorite

2K14 Movie

Mikey is my favourite, haven't got a least favourite yet.

Original movies, don't know, have to watch them again.

Next Mutation - Least favourite - Venus

[Slap-Happy]

Mikey (aside from Mirage, IDW and Nick) has annoyed me for ten years at this point.

[Electric]

perfect thread title for my situation

when i first started watching the nick series, i couldnt stand nick donnie.
donnie has been my favorite turtle in everything, i relate to him, then in nick i couldnt stand him. his design was too distinguished, his voice was more different than it had ever been, he was not his normal calm collected self.

but as ive watched the show, donnie has won me back. i will just always prefer the calmer, quieter donnie than the nerdy, highstrung one. my favorite incarnations of donnie are actually 2 odd ones. the oots video game and the new movie. oots had his different design, just toned down, with a more fitting voice, and less nerdy and more intellectual. and the movie donnie had a great voice, great comments, balanced out the nerd and the wisdom, and had a great design, besides glasses.

and plus, while there was a momentary absence of my favorite turtle, it allowed room for me to really start to like leo. first in just nicks, but then in most incarnations. so now they both are, donnie slightly taking the lead.

[Davetello]

perfect thread title for my situation

when i first started watching the nick series, i couldnt stand nick donnie.
donnie has been my favorite turtle in everything, i relate to him, then in nick i couldnt stand him. his design was too distinguished, his voice was more different than it had ever been, he was not his normal calm collected self.

but as ive watched the show, donnie has won me back. i will just always prefer the calmer, quieter donnie than the nerdy, highstrung one. my favorite incarnations of donnie are actually 2 odd ones. the oots video game and the new movie. oots had his different design, just toned down, with a more fitting voice, and less nerdy and more intellectual. and the movie donnie had a great voice, great comments, balanced out the nerd and the wisdom, and had a great design, besides glasses.

and plus, while there was a momentary absence of my favorite turtle, it allowed room for me to really start to like leo. first in just nicks, but then in most incarnations. so now they both are, donnie slightly taking the lead.

Nice post. Obviously Donatello is my favourite as well but I've noticed a few people express dissatisfaction at how he's portrayed in the Nick series (relating to how you felt before he won you back). I have to say he's never really annoyed me in the show, although I could do with slightly less of his crush on April.

[Electric]

Nice post. Obviously Donatello is my favourite as well but I've noticed a few people express dissatisfaction at how he's portrayed in the Nick series (relating to how you felt before he won you back). I have to say he's never really annoyed me in the show, although I could do with slightly less of his crush on April.

Surprisingly the April crush doesn't bother me at all.

And I've said it any time I've talked about this: I totally get why they did nick Donnie this way. It's not a bad take on him, he fits great in this series, it's just not the Donnie I normally prefer.

But again, I've gotten used to him. Season 2 especially. To me it seems like they've toned down some of his high strungness, and he's lost some of his nerdiness.

[Leofan26]

I dislike Mikey of the Nick series now till they actually mature him and make better use of him.

I've sadly always disliked Raph in every series, maybe that's cuz of the tensions and fights they always seem to have. Take the 2007 Animated flick for example, he was way too harsh on Leo, that Guy was just lost and confused at that time. Donnie and Mikey understood it but Raph man, he nearly killed the guy :ohwell:

Ok, he was alright in the 80s series and I find him ok in the 2012 series, they just need to do more with his character is all.

Maybe it was just the 2003 series and 2007 film I had a problem with him in.

Though I do tend to get annoyed with how much the films focus on him but that's a different matter, I don't hate his character for that.

[Leofan26]

I've never disliked any of the Turtles. But, I have disliked many Leonardo fans, and I know it sometimes it carries on in discussion threads. Now, while I don't dislike any of them, there are times where I get bored with Donny and Mikey.

Hey, what'd us Leo fans do to you to get hated on? I've come across a lot of major Raph fan boys who give people who don't agree with them a hard time. I don't hate any of you for it :-?

[ToTheNines]

I hate Leo in almost everything. Nicktoon Leo is my favorite though.

Mikey... 4kids obviously. If you're gonna make him the comic relief character, please make him funny at least. I can't stand how he revels in the fact that he annoys his brothers. And he's a coward.

I got real sick of Raph in Turtles Forever, that's about it. I guess he's the turtle I feel the most ambivalently about.

Donatello forever! I thought they went WAY overboard with his design in the new movie, and overdid his voice on plenty of lines, but who can hate Donnie?

[CyberCubed]

I don't see how anyone can hate Leo.

[ToTheNines]

All his incessant bitching about guns in the Archie books. His dull, one note personality in the OT. The fact that he cried and ALMOST JOINED THE FOOT CLAN because Splinter said he was a badass ninja and his swords were no big deal. His blind, self-righteous attitude in the 07 movie.

Love him in the 90's trilogy and Nicktoon. Like him in Mirage, IDW and the new movie.

[Jester]

I disliked all 4 for about an hour and a half a little while back....
[/snark]

[shuriken]

I hated Cyborg Don in Image. Moreso his design, easily more overkill than the new movie, which is quite impressive when you think about it.

[Powder]

I hated Cyborg Don in Image. Moreso his design, easily more overkill than the new movie, which is quite impressive when you think about it.

-Don becomes cyborg because there is no other option than death
-This is "overkill"

-Don wears giant taped glasses, proton pack, powerglove, motherboard armor & more
-This is completely normal

Go away.

[Warhorse]

Hey, what'd us Leo fans do to you to get hated on? I've come across a lot of major Raph fan boys who give people who don't agree with them a hard time. I don't hate any of you for it :-?

Not you in particular, but quite a few in the past. I've seen a couple of Leo fans wishing Raphael was killed off because they thought he was nothing to the team but a problem, and stuff like that irks me.

I disliked all 4 for about an hour and a half a little while back....
[/snark]

Cute!:lol:

[ToTheNines]

-Don becomes cyborg because there is no other option than death
-This is "overkill"

-Don wears giant taped glasses, proton pack, powerglove, motherboard armor & more
-This is completely normal

Go away.

Haha, well said. You forgot the PKE goggles though lol.

[Technogeek29]

Depends on the version for me.
Ot. Leonardo is pretty bland when he isn't the primary focus of an episode, most of his lines are just the Turtles catch phrases or telling the others to charge into battle.

2k3 Raphael suffers from the same problem as OT Leo. Being incredibly one note when he isn't the focus of the episode. And the voice while I like it is something I'd imagine for a much older Raphael.

Nick Michelangelo unforunately suffers from Nick dumb character symdrome. Even when he is the focus the shows loves to highlight how clueless and out of the loop he is more often than they show his competent side.

[DarkFell]

OT Raphael as a kid. Because that episode Raphael Knocks Them Dead had some of the lamest jokes. Eventually he re-earned my respect from his smart*** remarks and his -not forced- sense of humor.

OT Leonardo as a kid. I sorta found him bland and a bit annoying. I later grew to realize and accept that he was just trying to be responsible.

*Funny thing to note - in a Pat Fraley interview he had mentioned his VA work on the show and Cam Clarke *Leonardo* called himself "The hero boring Turtle" in a discussion they had at the studio.

[ssjup81]

OT Raphael as a kid. Because that episode Raphael Knocks Them Dead had some of the lamest jokes. Eventually he re-earned my respect from his smart*** remarks and his -not forced- sense of humor.But that was the point of the episode. The jokes were purposely bad. Raph, when captured, was telling bad jokes on purpose and I'm pretty sure he points it out for that ep.

[jenna]

Leo has annoyed me in many universes because he is self-indulgent. He nurtures his sense of failure and inadequacy like a true narcissist. (OT Follow my Leader, 2k7 "Sorry I failed", 2k3 every flipping epidode). I like how Nick are handling this aspect of his character though.

[IndigoErth]

Narcissist... or just rather insecure deep down and stressed out, even while he tries to put on a brave face. Not every contemplative person who's insecure and gets caught up in too much thinking is a narcissist.

By the sounds of it, sounds like Nick Leo may have his own darker period coming though.


Edit: Leo seems to try to handle his confidence issues alone sometimes, much the same as Raph and his own emotional battles. Either way it's gonna eat you up inside...

[jenna]

Narcissist... or just rather insecure deep down and stressed out, even while he tries to put on a brave face. Not every contemplative person who's insecure and gets caught up in too much thinking is a narcissist.

By the sounds of it, sounds like Nick Leo may have his own darker period coming though.


Edit: Leo seems to try to handle his confidence issues alone sometimes, much the same as Raph and his own emotional battles. Either way it's gonna eat you up inside...

All of the above. I agree with you that Leo is generally reflective and conscientious. I'm talking about the brief phases when he wallows in his own sense of failure. Nothing really wrong with a touch of narcissism - everyone has narcissistic tendencies to a greater or lesser extent. This makes Leo an interesting character.

I think Raphael is different, because he doesn't reflect inwardly like Leo does to ask why he feels bad. He just reacts primitively and often attaches the bad feeling to an external object (ie I'm angry because Leo made me angry) and doesn't necessary recognise his own demons. Leo does the reverse.

Don't get me wrong, I love them both. They have flaws, like all real characters. That's what makes them so interesting to watch and to read. :)

[Slade]

Starting to hate all of them.......................:o

[Gunpowder]

I initially loathed Donnie in the Nick series, not only because of that gap, but because he seemed abnormally tall. I don't know, something about his stature just seemed off. Whenever he'd be on screen I felt distracted by that. But I grew out of that rather quickly and now I have no real issues with it - although I still prefer just about every other version of him (90's movies, 2k3, 07, 14, take your pick). But his crush on April? Hmmm...still kind of iffy about that.

Fortunately, I feel like they've gotten Raph right in every incarnation from the start.

Edit: I didn't dislike Donnie because he was tall, but because everything about him was entirely different than it had been previously. It just took some getting used to.

[RaphaelinSTL]

-don becomes cyborg because there is no other option than death
-this is "overkill"

-don wears giant taped glasses, proton pack, powerglove, motherboard armor & more
-this is completely normal

go away.

lolololol!

[DarthEmpress]

I really dislike both Leo and Don in the Nick series. I've loved all the turtles in every incarnation so this is the first time I've hated any of them. I actually really love 2012 Raph. I think he's the most well done.

[Kanon]

The only Turtle version I really dislike is the 2k3 Mikey. He is just anoying.

The others are all well done.
Now I like the 2k7 Don and the 2k12 Raph the most :D

[PizzaPower1985]

I do not care for the 87 TMNT cartoon turtles very much or the 2k12 cartoon at all. Too juvenile, IMO

[pharaohyami5000]

Classic Leonardo because there wasn't much to him from what I observed. Has Leo's fear of snakes ever reflected from a different media before?

2k3 Michealangelo after his victory on Battle Nexus, though personally not affected as much.

1st TMNT movie Donatello as I've seen little of his inventive side and mostly seen him hang out with Mikey. I thought they made him as a second Mikey until I read through other's thoughts on Donnie's display during this movie, and... I agree with them. I would have liked to see Don repair that truck him and Casey worked on before I made that mindset of him being a 2nd Mikey.

[coxfire]

I don't think I ever disliked any of the turtles, I'm mostly an all-turtle kind of person, but as some stated, there are some times when X or Y attitude/writing ticked me off, mainly in the 2K12 toon.

Regarding Mickey, it is less the character rather than the way he is written sometimes that grates. I love his carefree and optimist attitude, the way he enlightens even the worst situation (love his reaction to Leatherhead for instance), but when he starts getting dumb, it is annoying (the "buzz-buzz" lines comes to mind). I wish they would keep him being this little ball of sunshine without resorting to burp/kindergarten jokes, make him mature a bit, and show that his agility and out-of-the-box fighting skills make him a damn good ninja, even if he isn't a by-the-book one as Leo is.

With Raph, it is the laziness in depicting his anger issues that bother me. There is a lot said about how he should control it, but little that tries to understand why his temper flares and he explodes so easily. That would be one of my gripe with this version of Splinter, we see him lecture Raph on it a lot, but I wish we'd see him try to understand/have Raph understand why he gets that way. And I agree that he comes off as a bully who yells for the sake of yelling in the 2K12, whereas I could understand his resentment over Leo in the 2007 movie better. Leo left them, and as much as Raph would deny it, he missed him. He turned into the NW because Splinter didn't want them to fight without Leo, and after 2 years of doing things on your own, being pushed back into little brother mode is indeed frustrating. I felt that I got why he was angry at Leo. It is really hard for me to like the 2K12 version, because I feel like his strong loyalty and devotion to his family aren't well depicted here. Right now, he is more of a burden to the team than an ally.

With Leo, the 2K12 version does great for him. We see him grow as a leader, we see his doubts, his compassion towards Karai, his devotion to his family and the tasks at hand, he is a skilled fighter and a brave one. There is little to dislike in him, although I'll admit that it is sometimes a bit much. I hope Leo won't turn into a Gary-Stu that is always right and always does everything perfectly. I'd like him to be wrong sometimes.

Finally Donnie, well he is a great character, I only wish the triangle would die once and for all, because I don't think that it serves his character. I know it's been toned down a lot in S2, but I hope it will die pretty soon.

I'm ambivalent on Splinter in 2K12, because on the one hand, he really is badass, and also has fun moments, but I wish they'd extend his relationships with his sons to more than Leonardo. I feel like he is a lot there for him to guide him as a leader, but Mickey notably feels negelected. I remember I didn't really like the fact that he only told Leo about who Karai was, for instance, but sometimes it comes across (to me) as favoritism.

[Netkeeper]

2k12 Donnie, 2k12 Mikey, 2k7 Leo, and if Splinter counts, 2k7 Splinter.

I liked 2k12 Mikey at first but he quickly grew on my bad side. I never liked 2k12 Donnie though -- the design didn't do him any favours, but seeing him on the screen just made it worse. [Which sucks because I love his voice.]

But none of them hold a candle to how much I hate 2k7 Splinter.

[Warhorse]

Classic Leonardo because there wasn't much to him from what I observed. Has Leo's fear of snakes ever reflected from a different media before?


Not that I know of. I wish they would. The creators of Nick gone ahead and brought in Raph's fear of bugs from the 2k3, and considering how much 80's inspiration Nick toon is using, I can't believe they never gave Leo his fear of snakes, especially considering Karai is now actually that, a mutant snake. But, this has been my main issue with Leo, while he's usually my second favorite Turtle behind Raphael (usually it's due to his duty to do the right thing no matter what) I do find him sometimes bland and boring, because he's just too perfect. They definitely need to spice him up with a phobia or something.

[Gunpowder]

Not that I know of. I wish they would. The creators of Nick gone ahead and brought in Raph's fear of bugs from the 2k3, and considering how much 80's inspiration Nick toon is using, I can't believe they never gave Leo his fear of snakes, especially considering Karai is now actually that, a mutant snake. But, this has been my main issue with Leo, while he's usually my second favorite Turtle behind Raphael (usually it's due to his duty to do the right thing no matter what) I do find him sometimes bland and boring, because he's just too perfect. They definitely need to spice him up with a phobia or something.

I think associating him with Jason Biggs was a bit of a downgrade. :lol: (Kidding. Biggs did fine.) You have some good points here. I'd like to see that fear come into play at this point, as well.

[Warhorse]

I think associating him with Jason Biggs was a bit of a downgrade. :lol: (Kidding. Biggs did fine.) You have some good points here. I'd like to see that fear come into play at this point, as well.

You know, I was hoping they would put in that American Pie joke just for kicks. April brings Splinter a pie as a gift, and he goes to meditate. Leonardo comes in and sees the pie and sticks his finger in it, and he just has a weird look on his face, then the camera cuts, and then next minute, Splinter comes in and sees his pie mutilated on the floor, and he just yells out "what the heck happened to my pie that April gave me" and then the camera pans to Leo whistling while reading one of his comics. The joke would be so subtle and it would go clear over the kids heads, but those who seen the movie would totally get it, and it would show that Leo isn't as innocent as he likes to appear. Look, they had that one scene where April and Donnie were closed up in his lab, and then he comes out and goes to his brothers "Hey want to know what April and I were doing in my lab" and the fact that his brothers were silent, shouts how over the heads this show can go!

[IndigoErth]

LOL!! My screen is lucky I have a lot of self control, I was getting a drink while reading that, ty. lol Aw, that would have been so brilliant to include that! Too late now I guess?

Between that statement you mention, guess what they were up to, and the sea monster sorta... and what ever other subtle things they can work in... Ya know, I can't wait until today's 8-year-olds are someday on here reminiscing about the series that got them into TMNT, are busy rewatching 2012 and suddenly get those jokes. :lol:

[Seedkiller]

As an over-all, I would have to go with Leo. I guess because in general, I hate square bears. But on the flip side, he's pretty much suppose to be the restrained bad-ass.
But I ultimately have to agree with an above post about not liking the 2k02 Mikey. That whole "surfer" accent just ground my gears to the bit. It was almost like they were trying to make a parody of the worst part about the turtles.
Mikey on the 2k12 series is kinda annoying me because he never seems to have any intellect on any level. Almost like he's permanently stupid. They should make him more like the 2k07 movie version. That Mikey was just right.
It's really kinda strange of how the turtles actually have alter egos. In the comic, there wasn't really any of the goofy stuff they added in the cartoon. As well as a lot of the weird villains. people just seemed to adopt them as being "original", when in fact they kinda aren't.
With all that being said, in the original comic series, I would have to say none of them rubbed me the wrong way.

[Gunpowder]

You know, I was hoping they would put in that American Pie joke just for kicks. April brings Splinter a pie as a gift, and he goes to meditate. Leonardo comes in and sees the pie and sticks his finger in it, and he just has a weird look on his face, then the camera cuts, and then next minute, Splinter comes in and sees his pie mutilated on the floor, and he just yells out "what the heck happened to my pie that April gave me" and then the camera pans to Leo whistling while reading one of his comics. The joke would be so subtle and it would go clear over the kids heads, but those who seen the movie would totally get it, and it would show that Leo isn't as innocent as he likes to appear. Look, they had that one scene where April and Donnie were closed up in his lab, and then he comes out and goes to his brothers "Hey want to know what April and I were doing in my lab" and the fact that his brothers were silent, shouts how over the heads this show can go!

They...they should have done that. I can literally imagine that entire scene in my head. Hell, that may have even made Biggs want to stay, if he knew they were incorporating individualized jokes like that.

And that scene you mentioned with Donnie and April? Completely went over my head til now. Never paid that much attention to that part, I guess.

[Warhorse]

LOL!! My screen is lucky I have a lot of self control, I was getting a drink while reading that, ty. lol Aw, that would have been so brilliant to include that! Too late now I guess?

Between that statement you mention, guess what they were up to, and the sea monster sorta... and what ever other subtle things they can work in... Ya know, I can't wait until today's 8-year-olds are someday on here reminiscing about the series that got them into TMNT, are busy rewatching 2012 and suddenly get those jokes. :lol:

Hah! Today, people love to joke about the 80's toon, when April is held hostage and the Shredder is making his demands to the Turtles over the phone, and Leo was like, "wait, how do why know April is still OK?" And Shredder pushes the phone into a gagged and tied up April and shouts speak, and she just mumbles, and then Raph goes "yep, that's April alright, I recognizer her mumbles" and now as an adult, this could have a whole new meaning!:lol:

[Rooish]

I rarely fully dislike a turtle for an entire series or volume. The exception is Nick Raph. He started out as a completely awful person. He got a bit better, presumably because Nick decided abusive people care about their families too. I am also not a fan of Nick Splinter at all. I'm never a huge fan of Splinter, but he's especially bad in Nick. I am also not fond of Nick Leo... actually maybe I just don't like the Nick versions of any of the main cast except maybe April.

I disliked Leo back when I first started Mirage comics, particularly in Return to New York and City at War when he was so smug and patronizing. I wasn't hugely fond of 2003 Raph or Mirage Volume 4 Don, both of whom were pretty big jerks. Image Don barely had a personality for much of the series. I'm a Mikey fan so it's hard for me to dislike him, but I admit he's getting more annoying as he goes. In 2003 he could be annoying but he could also be pretty awesome, and he ran circles around Raph, so Raph's constant slapping of Mikey didn't seem so abusive as it does in Nick.

I can't remember how I felt about the old toon, but I think I wasn't too enamoured with Don or Leo.

[cup-mikey-gertha]

I love the Turtles. But there are instances that I don't like-- mostly when the older bunch hurt Mikey in a bad way, not haha. It's not them that I dislike, it's the situation.

One particular scene I didn't like was in the 2012 when Leo, Raph and Donnie made it clear that they didn't want to be with Mikey while they were inside the Krang HQ. (Leo: I don't want him and I'm in charge; Donnie: Why am I always stuck with Mikey? Raph you take him; Raph: Over my dead body... And that's why nobody wants to be with you) I really felt sad for Mikey.

Raph "love-hurting" Mikey in the other versions are OK. It's actually kinda cute in 2K3 series. However, I find it rather disturbing for Raph to continuously bully Mike physically in the 2012. Raph keeps on bending Mikey's finger which obviously hurts like shell. Mikey have to beg for mercy, literally. Raph also likes to choke and strangle Mikey even when the kid begs for him to stop. It really hurts to be strangled. (I have a personal experience where in my male coworker playfully strangled me as a prank for like two seconds. My neck really hurt and it was hard to breathe. Mine was only two seconds. Mikey had to recite an "ode to Raph." I can just imagine how Mikey felt afterwards). In light of matters, I'm glad that Raph made a redemption of himself by being so concerned with an unconscious Mikey in the New Girl episode. Now, that's a big brother I want to see.

There was also a 2012 scene when Donnie keeps on hitting Mikey at the back because "there's a spider." I didn't like that at all.

I also didn't like in the 2012 when Leo wanted to go in different directions. Mikey protested that the bad guy will go after him. Leo didn't listen. Mikey was really hurt in that episode. Shell! If I'll enumerate all the scenes where Mikey is bait or the person who does the dirty job (poking Splinter with the bo staff), I'll feel sorry for Mikey more.

Oh yah! In the 2K3 series, Leo and Raph pinned Mikey down while Donnie made Mikey eat something just to get the attention of the guards. Was that floorwax?

One smack or two and name-calling every now and then is OK. But Mikey being physically bullied every five minutes? Come on!

Why did they also have to portray Mikey as a "wimp" in the 2012 (B Team)? In canon, Mikey is one great of a fighter.

1987 series was totally fine with me. I love all of them there. Less bullying. More fun.

2007 movie was nice. I'm happy that for one entire show, Raph/Leo/Don never hit Mikey even once.

[CharmedSerenity]

I'm disliking Donnie in the Nick show right now.

I also don't like when Mikey is portrayed as an idiot in the Nick version (but I can't help loving him anyway)

Agreed, on both counts.

I'm also not fond of 2k3 Mikey, 2007 Leo and all the main characters from the 80s show.

[plastroncafe]

I dislike most incarnations of Michaelangelo. It's like that movie "Multiplicity" where the copies of copies just get dumber as they progress.

If it weren't for the spectacular voice acting by Cipes, Nick Mikey would be completely intolerable.

Creeper Nick Don is also not a favorite of mine.