Get Over The Conceit

[Luckyday]

Have you heard that phase? It use to describe any show that would skip the general logistics like...well pick any twilight zone episode or maybe even a doctor who episode that was written by Steven Moffat, and I feel that term has come to described recent Nick TMNT episodes. So do you think in order to enjoy watching it anymore, you would have stop taking this show seriously?

[CyberCubed]

What? Who is this being aimed at?

I enjoy the majority of this show very much, my only complaints are its too mutant heavy and I'd like more human villains.

[ssjup81]

I'm still enjoying the show...so there isn't anything going on to keep me from enjoying it.

[BabyTurtles]

I think I'm starting to not take episodes seriously lately, not sure if it's helping though...it only makes me frustrated XD....(like wasted potential and all that)

[Powder]

I don't understand this, which means it's probably a Tumblr thing.

[CyberCubed]

I don't understand this, which means it's probably a Tumblr thing.

All the rants/posts on this forum are from tumblr. Especially all the shipping topics about Casey/April/Don.

The Nick TMNT series attracted an anime/tumblr/fangirl crowd to the fandom that had never existed before.

[Coola Yagami]

Because none of that twitter/tumblr stuff was popular before as it is now. Duh.

[Mukouno]

Where does this suddenly come from? I thought the recent episodes were among the best this season. Of course opinions may differ but I got the impression that they are also generally well received... I admit I'm not too fond of A Chinatown Ghost Story but that's just one episode.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I fail to see where this thread is going, too. What do you mean by conceit? I've never heard this phrase at all.

[Luckyday]

I mean there times when character does things that makes no sense or having idiot ball moments like when Shredder left a mutated Baxter in his labs and now thanks to him, he has a monster lose in his HQ. He could have lock him up or at least tried to.

Heck even with this new episode, it threw with April and Irma being key ingredients in dematerializing a chinese ghost. Does it make sense? Who cares?! It's randomly throw in for plot and movie reference.

[chrisdude]

What the heck are you guys talking about? I've been out of the Nick subforum for a while, but are you guys seeing episodes that haven't aired in the US?

[CyberCubed]

What the heck are you guys talking about? I've been out of the Nick subforum for a while, but are you guys seeing episodes that haven't aired in the US?

One new episode was put on Nick's official site

[plastroncafe]

The Nick TMNT series attracted an anime/tumblr/fangirl crowd to the fandom that had never existed before.

Well that's just a damn dirty lie.

[Sophie Campbell]

The Nick TMNT series attracted an anime/tumblr/fangirl crowd to the fandom that had never existed before.

you couldn't be more wrong. you're so out of touch.

[Leo656]

If anything, there were a helluva lot MORE "fangirls" and such when I first joined this place. At the very least, they were a lot more vocal than they are now.

Entirely neutral on the subject, just commenting. "Fangirls" and "Shipping" are hardly new to this franchise.

[CyberCubed]

Well that's just a damn dirty lie.

I don't recall these people existing when the 4kids cartoon was airing. And I was there for the entire span it was originally airing on TV when it was new.

[MrTMNT2012]

I didn't think about this. The show was too fun for me to notice anything like that!

My general problem is that the show is not as well written as Season 1, and we already know that's because they got new writers!

[Netkeeper]

If anything, there were a helluva lot MORE "fangirls" and such when I first joined this place. At the very least, they were a lot more vocal than they are now.

Entirely neutral on the subject, just commenting. "Fangirls" and "Shipping" are hardly new to this franchise.
I think part of why people are complaining so much is because most of the shipping I'd seen in this fandom prior to 2k12's release was, well, incest-based, so it was confined to parts of the internet that do that kinda thing because I'm sure if it was brought here people would be raising hell. I wasn't part of this forum so I can't really say, but I saw TMNT shipping a LOT in the other communities I was part of, especially in the early and mid 2000's.

Not so much the case now, since human/turtle romances are getting a lot of spotlight in canon, which wasn't really done too much before, and the people that craze over those have moved to different online communities [such as Tumblr] where they're more visible due to the way Tumblr's set up.

[CyberCubed]

There is little to no shipping in TMNT since the one canon pairing (April/Casey) is expected to happen in every series so not much thought comes to it.

Also TMNT has a lack of female characters, besides Karai and a few others, so there's not much pairings to go for. And people don't like giving the TMNT love interests in general.

[Netkeeper]

Ok, you just tell that to all the turtlecesters I'm friends with.

[CyberCubed]

Ok, you just tell that to all the turtlecesters I'm friends with.

Those people are shunned to the darkest corners of deviantart and tumblr. We don't want to acknowledge them.

I don't mind "furry" ships, I did like Raph's relationship with Ninjara in Archie, but I'm too keen on animalxanimal pairings...even if they are mutants.

[IndigoErth]

I mean there times when character does things that makes no sense or having idiot ball moments like when Shredder left a mutated Baxter in his labs and now thanks to him, he has a monster lose in his HQ. He could have lock him up or at least tried to.
Can't say it's crossed my mind much, at most a passing thought that didn't stick around long. Good show, I just roll with it mostly.

What else is going on h-- Uh. Ok... carry on. *flees thread*

[Netkeeper]

Those people are shunned to the darkest corners of deviantart and tumblr. We don't want to acknowledge them.

I don't mind "furry" ships, I did like Raph's relationship with Ninjara in Archie, but I'm too keen on animalxanimal pairings...even if they are mutants.
I acknowledge them since they're a pretty large part of the fanbase. I'm willing to bet there are several closet turtlecesters that regularly post on this forum. And I'm ok with them. As I said, I'm friends with lots of them.

But it ain't my thing either. I like the mutant/animal ships the most. But the difference is that almost none of the ones I support are canon. :V

[The Big Bad]

Have you heard that phase? It use to describe any show that would skip the general logistics like...well pick any twilight zone episode or maybe even a doctor who episode that was written by Steven Moffat, and I feel that term has come to described recent Nick TMNT episodes. So do you think in order to enjoy watching it anymore, you would have stop taking this show seriously?

Glob, yes. I've realized this season that the episodes I enjoy the most are the ones which don't try to actually be dramatic, because the more serious episodes require me to think about the plot, and this series' plots and emotional beats take to analysis like paper takes to fire. The Doctor Who by Moffat comparison is damn near perfect.

The Nick TMNT series attracted an anime/tumblr/fangirl crowd to the fandom that had never existed before.

They've always existed. What's different now is that they have a space that welcomes them and has allowed them to visibly and semi-safely express themselves.

[CyberCubed]

They've always existed. What's different now is that they have a space that welcomes them and has allowed them to visibly and semi-safely express themselves.

Well at least tumblr keeps them away from the forums, so I guess all is good. I imagine most of those girls have never gotten into TMNT before and the Nick cartoon is their first exposure to it, so they assume the antics between the brothers and the Don/April thing is the norm for the franchise.

[Coola Yagami]

Well at least tumblr keeps them away from the forums, so I guess all is good. I imagine most of those girls have never gotten into TMNT before and the Nick cartoon is their first exposure to it, so they assume the antics between the brothers and the Don/April thing is the norm for the franchise.

Who cares what they assume, and who cares if Nick is their first exposure to it? Most of us never read the comics first.

[IndigoErth]

I imagine most of those girls have never gotten into TMNT before and the Nick cartoon is their first exposure to it
Well if that really is the case for many, who's doing this with the Nick Turtles, teens? In that case I'm inclined to just leave well enough alone and let them have their thing, assuming we're talking about the so-called "shipping" and more intimate stuff. Just the harmless fantasy of youngsters.

[Luckyday]

Maybe this is a good opportunity to experiment with itself and try new things since there is no real plot driven storyline other then Karai at this point. I guess I wouldn't mind watching a couple pizza face episodes like this. I guess it beats watching another monster of the week.

[Netkeeper]

Well at least tumblr keeps them away from the forums, so I guess all is good. I imagine most of those girls have never gotten into TMNT before and the Nick cartoon is their first exposure to it, so they assume the antics between the brothers and the Don/April thing is the norm for the franchise.
It depends on their age. A lot of them are old enough to have seen the 2003 series at the very least, but I wouldn't doubt there's a lot of newbies mixed in there too.

And let me tell you, the age of Tumblr fandom bloggers is pretty varied. I see 13-15 year olds on there a lot, but there's also a sizeable portion of people that are in their 20s.

EDIT: Also, not all of them are girls. Stop implying only the girls could be "bad".

[ssjup81]

I still don't get this tumblr stuff, but I guess if I used it I would.

I signed up for it long ago as a friend talked me into it but I've yet to use or even really frequent it.

[plastroncafe]

There is little to no shipping in TMNT since the one canon pairing (April/Casey) is expected to happen in every series so not much thought comes to it.

Also TMNT has a lack of female characters, besides Karai and a few others, so there's not much pairings to go for. And people don't like giving the TMNT love interests in general.

Wrong: Heterosexist.

Those people are shunned to the darkest corners of deviantart and tumblr. We don't want to acknowledge them.

I don't mind "furry" ships, I did like Raph's relationship with Ninjara in Archie, but I'm too keen on animalxanimal pairings...even if they are mutants.

Wrong: You do not speak for all of us.

Well at least tumblr keeps them away from the forums, so I guess all is good.

Wrong: Gatekeepers like you keep the female fanbase on places like DeviantArt and Tumblr. I've heard from numerous women who say they avoid this board like the plague because they don't want to subject themselves to the impotent fanboy rage.

I imagine most of those girls have never gotten into TMNT before and the Nick cartoon is their first exposure to it, so they assume the antics between the brothers and the Don/April thing is the norm for the franchise.

Wrong.

[Netkeeper]

Wrong: Gatekeepers like you keep the female fanbase on places like DeviantArt and Tumblr. I've heard from numerous women who say they avoid this board like the plague because they don't want to subject themselves to the impotent fanboy rage.
Most of the girls I'm friends with [and most of my friends are girls] say the same thing. Some of them have actually told me they consider me quite brave for posting here as much as I do. They are scared of the people here.

[plastroncafe]

Most of the girls I'm friends with [and most of my friends are girls] say the same thing. Some of them have actually told me they consider me quite brave for posting here as much as I do. They are scared of the people here.

I hear that all the time as well, and even well before the "Shellshocked" interview with Ciro.

[Refractive Reflections]

Wrong: Gatekeepers like you keep the female fanbase on places like DeviantArt and Tumblr. I've heard from numerous women who say they avoid this board like the plague because they don't want to subject themselves to the impotent fanboy rage.


Well that sounds sexist right there actually, almost as if "fanboys" are the ones who get into impotent rage. I'm pretty sure there's just as much heated impotent fangirl rage (maybe not here, but the internet in general) with different topics, for example if it came to shipping, over who's better for Nick April with the whole Donnie vs. Casey situation. It's more of an issue of being overtly passionate over a franchise, and having far more people at a particular webpage rather than gender behavior.

Most of the girls I'm friends with [and most of my friends are girls] say the same thing. Some of them have actually told me they consider me quite brave for posting here as much as I do. They are scared of the people here.

Really? :-? I know these forums have their share of sly trolls and cynics, like any website that hosts forums, but it's the internet. The reason Deviantart and Tumblr appear to be safer is because anyone can make some random remote webpage that's difficult to find, and be able to isolate themselves to their close friends and contacts (with blocking features), but with the Technodrome Forums, it's fairly distinct in being one of the, if not the biggest, forum site for TMNT, so there's going to be a lot more people showing up, carrying with them their criticisms and their internet personalities. Therefore, there's bound to be someone out there who vehemently opposes one's viewpoint/opinion in some way. I'm not saying I support the harsh environment, but that's the culture of this form of communication when there's an increasing amount of people arriving at a site that have some anonymity.

[plastroncafe]

Well that sounds sexist right there actually, almost as if "fanboys" are the ones who get into impotent rage. I'm pretty sure there's just as much heated impotent fangirl rage (maybe not here, but the internet in general) with different topics, for example if it came to shipping, over who's better for Nick April with the whole Donnie vs. Casey situation. It's more of an issue of being overtly passionate over a franchise, and having far more people at a particular webpage rather than gender behavior.


Yes, yes. #NotAllFanboys.
First off, you assume I think fanboys are all of a specific gender, which I don't. I'm a woman, and identify as a fanboy.

Secondly, don't confuse passion with being an outright jerk. It's not passion that I have a problem with, it's the hostile attitude that, "SOMEONE IS PLAYING WITH THEIR TOYS WRONG!" The idea that there's only one-true-way to be a fan, and anyone who deviates from that needs be "Shunned to the darkest corners" of another part of the web.

Like what you like.
Don't like what you don't like.
As the song goes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

Really? :-? I know these forums have their share of sly trolls and cynics, like any website that hosts forums, but it's the internet. The reason Deviantart and Tumblr appear to be safer is because anyone can make some random remote webpage that's difficult to find, and be able to isolate themselves to their close friends and contacts (with blocking features), but with the Technodrome Forums, it's fairly distinct in being one of the, if not the biggest, forum site for TMNT, so there's going to be a lot more people showing up, carrying with them their criticisms and their internet personalities. Therefore, there's bound to be someone out there who vehemently opposes one's viewpoint/opinion in some way. I'm not saying I support the harsh environment, but that's the culture of this form of communication when there's an increasing amount of people that have some anonymity.


If you're not fighting to dismantle a toxic status quo, then you are in fact supporting it.

Tumblr and DeviantArt don't "appear" to be safer because they allow a certain level of security, they ARE safer because they allow a certain level of security. And women go there so they don't have to deal with Jerk Gatekeepers.

[Netkeeper]

Really? :-? I know these forums have their share of sly trolls and cynics, like any website that hosts forums, but it's the internet. The reason Deviantart and Tumblr appear to be safer is because anyone can make some random remote webpage that's difficult to find, and be able to isolate themselves to their close friends and contacts (with blocking features), but with the Technodrome Forums, it's fairly distinct in being one of the, if not the biggest, forum site for TMNT, so there's going to be a lot more people showing up, carrying with them their criticisms and their internet personalities. Therefore, there's bound to be someone out there who vehemently opposes one's viewpoint/opinion in some way. I'm not saying I support the harsh environment, but that's the culture of this form of communication when there's an increasing amount of people arriving at a site that have some anonymity.
These forums have far more than their fair share of trolls and cynics, and I say this as one myself, but I present myself that way here on purpose because the environment here is far more toxic than a place like Tumblr. I put up my walls here, because I know this type of environment can be damaging. I've frequented fandom forums for over a decade, and I've been on Tumblr for half a decade -- I can say with confidence that Tumblr is a far safer environment, but it's not because you can isolate yourself, since it's just as easy to be dogpiled on Tumblr as it is here [why else do people hate SJWs? They sic their followers on people. I've been a victim of that several times myself]. It's because the percentage of harmful people is lower than the percentage of harmful people on almost any fandom forum, not just this one.

That and forums aren't exempt from their own stereotypes and reputations. Just as we tend to view Tumblr as an SJW breeding ground, other places view forums as rabid fanboy hives that are often sexist, racist, homophobic, and filled with people that think they're way smarter than they actually are. [They're also more likely to contain people like CyberCubed that lord their opinion over others and treat it as fact. That's a stereotype too.] The only fandom forums I've been to that didn't carry a large userbase that conformed to these stereotypes were run by and for female and LGBT fans.

Also, many of these problems are multiplied when the userbase has lots of gamers or western comic book fans. This forum has both.

This environment is not "just the internet".

[ssjup81]

These forums have far more than their fair share of trolls and cynics, and I say this as one myself, but I present myself that way here on purpose because the environment here is far more toxic than a place like Tumblr. I put up my walls here, because I know this type of environment can be damaging. I've frequented fandom forums for over a decade, and I've been on Tumblr for half a decade -- I can say with confidence that Tumblr is a far safer environment, but it's not because you can isolate yourself, since it's just as easy to be dogpiled on Tumblr as it is here [why else do people hate SJWs? They sic their followers on people. I've been a victim of that several times myself]. It's because the percentage of harmful people is lower than the percentage of harmful people on almost any fandom forum, not just this one.

That and forums aren't exempt from their own stereotypes and reputations. Just as we tend to view Tumblr as an SJW breeding ground, other places view forums as rabid fanboy hives that are often sexist, racist, homophobic, and filled with people that think they're way smarter than they actually are. [They're also more likely to contain people like CyberCubed that lord their opinion over others and treat it as fact. That's a stereotype too.] The only fandom forums I've been to that didn't carry a large userbase that conformed to these stereotypes were run by and for female and LGBT fans.

Also, many of these problems are multiplied when the userbase has lots of gamers or western comic book fans. This forum has both.

This environment is not "just the internet".This entire explanation is foreign and strange to me.

I guess I don't frequent the Internet enough to get it fully.

Getting down to it, I don't frequent many fandom boards. I come here, a Detective Conan board, a You Can't Do That on Television forum and that's pretty much all I can think of that I go to semi regularly. You know, scratch that. I go to those other ones once in a blue moon. I watch videos way more.

[Netkeeper]

I used to be a regular on the InvisionFree Support Forums. I saw peoples' forums every day, trying to help them with their problems, joining other forums, moderating them, the works. My whole life revolved around forums for years.

But I do consider it a good thing that you can't relate to my post. Means you've probably had it easier than me in regards to fandoms on the internet. That's good.

[CyberCubed]

Most discussions on tumblr resolve around shipping and, "which female character is the best" for other fandom's.

Since TMNT has a lack of major female characters, and shipping in TMNT has always been practically non-existent, that kind of stuff doesn't really work here. The TMNT fandom hasn't been sitting here for the last 25 years saying, "Which girl should each Turtle wind up with?" and so forth.

This is not anime. This is not shipping. This is not female character wars. This is TMNT.

[plastroncafe]

Most discussions on tumblr resolve around shipping and, "which female character is the best" for other fandom's.

Since TMNT has a lack of major female characters, and shipping in TMNT has always been practically non-existent, that kind of stuff doesn't really work here. The TMNT fandom hasn't been sitting here for the last 25 years saying, "Which girl should each Turtle wind up with?" and so forth.

This is not anime. This is not shipping. This is not female character wars. This is TMNT.

This is gatekeeping.

[CyberCubed]

This is gatekeeping.

Yeah, but by that logic we should open a forum for Turtlecest shippers and let them come here. I'd rather they stay isolated in the darkest corners of deviantart and tumblr, separate from normal society.

I don't mind shipping in general, but it really has little to no place in TMNT, its why nobody cares about April/Casey as a pairing at all, it simply "happens" and nobody thinks of it.

[Netkeeper]

You don't even use Tumblr, there's no sense in trying to convince us that the conversation there is something that it's not. I don't see very much shipping discussion. I see a lot of headcanon discussion. I don't see very many "female character wars", either, I don't even know what you're talking about there.

And didn't Plastron point this out before? Not all shipping is heterosexual. If a canon lacks female characters, shipping isn't going to go away, it's just going to be male/male instead [or did you never get into DragonBall or Megaman? Because I did, and I ship a hell of a lot of things in both of them as well as TMNT]. You have to be a special kind of ignorant to not know about ships like Raph/Casey and Leo/Usagi. Do you want me to get more examples for you?

[plastroncafe]

Yeah, but by that logic we should open a forum for Turtlecest shippers and let them come here. I'd rather they stay isolated in the darkest corners of deviantart and tumblr, separate from normal society.

I don't mind shipping in general, but it really has little to no place in TMNT, its why nobody cares about April/Casey as a pairing at all, it simply "happens" and nobody thinks of it.

Trust me, the feeling is mutual.

[Leo656]

I think what I love most about 'Cubed is his bald-faced intolerance and bigotry. Either that, or his complete Shia LaBeouf-like lack of self-awareness as to how he presents himself to other people. It's tragically hilarious.

I love how he makes unprovoked broad, sweeping, insensitive and inflammatory statements. Like some kind of imbecilic Dutch person.

:tgrin:

[Kingoji]

Most discussions on tumblr resolve around shipping and, "which female character is the best" for other fandom's.

I didn't realise that someone had indexed the entire contents of Tumblr. Must have missed the memo.

But speaking as a straight white male who does use Tumblr, you're talking out of your arse. I've never encountered the kind of behaviour you claim exists there.

I have however encountered TMNT shipping... loooong before the new series was even a glimmer in Nick's eye. But again, never on Tumblr. Not saying it isn't there, but it's clearly not as rife as you claim.

[plastroncafe]

I think what I love most about 'Cubed is his bald-faced intolerance and bigotry. Either that, or his complete Shia LaBeouf-like lack of self-awareness as to how he presents himself to other people. It's tragically hilarious.

I love how he makes unprovoked broad, sweeping, insensitive and inflammatory statements. Like some kind of imbecilic Dutch person.

:tgrin:

I'm both horrified and intrigued at the prospect of meeting him in the meatworld some day

[Netkeeper]

I'm both horrified and intrigued at the prospect of meeting him in the meatworld some day
This.

Some people are way different when you actually meet them. Some of the coolest people I know offline are insufferable when they get behind a keyboard. I've run into the inverse, too.

[Leo656]

But speaking as a straight white male who does use Tumblr, you're talking out of your arse.

87 F'n points for using the word "arse" in a conversation, my dude. Y'know what? It's Tuesday and it ain't rainin', go ahead and make it an even hundred. Don't say I never gave ya nothin'. 25 Bonus Points if you're actually a Celt. :tgrin:

As far as online vs. real life personas, I kind of only have one gimmick and I play it everywhere. S'just one'a me. Less to remember. I'm bewildered how some people craft elaborate personas for themselves on the internet, seems like a lot of work for absolutely zero upside. Ah well. I guess some people just feel they're not very interesting otherwise? ((Shrug))

It's like my wrestling gimmick, how some guys play a whole new character from who they really are; I can't be bothered with that noise, that's entirely too much work. They tried, at first, I'm like "can't I just do what I always do, but with tights on?" They're like, "Y'know what, yeah, you're a f*ckin' cartoon anyways, just do you." It works.

[Refractive Reflections]

Yes, yes. #NotAllFanboys.
First off, you assume I think fanboys are all of a specific gender, which I don't. I'm a woman, and identify as a fanboy.

Secondly, don't confuse passion with being an outright jerk. It's not passion that I have a problem with, it's the hostile attitude that, "SOMEONE IS PLAYING WITH THEIR TOYS WRONG!" The idea that there's only one-true-way to be a fan, and anyone who deviates from that needs be "Shunned to the darkest corners" of another part of the web.

Like what you like.
Don't like what you don't like.
As the song goes....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0la5DBtOVNI

Thank you for the clarification. :) I just didn't know that you separate "fanboy" and "fangirl" into something apart from gender identification. So on that note... :-? how do you define a "fanboy" versus a "fangirl" then?



If you're not fighting to dismantle a toxic status quo, then you are in fact supporting it.

Tumblr and DeviantArt don't "appear" to be safer because they allow a certain level of security, they ARE safer because they allow a certain level of security. And women go there so they don't have to deal with Jerk Gatekeepers.
These forums have far more than their fair share of trolls and cynics, and I say this as one myself, but I present myself that way here on purpose because the environment here is far more toxic than a place like Tumblr. I put up my walls here, because I know this type of environment can be damaging. I've frequented fandom forums for over a decade, and I've been on Tumblr for half a decade -- I can say with confidence that Tumblr is a far safer environment, but it's not because you can isolate yourself, since it's just as easy to be dogpiled on Tumblr as it is here [why else do people hate SJWs? They sic their followers on people. I've been a victim of that several times myself]. It's because the percentage of harmful people is lower than the percentage of harmful people on almost any fandom forum, not just this one.

That and forums aren't exempt from their own stereotypes and reputations. Just as we tend to view Tumblr as an SJW breeding ground, other places view forums as rabid fanboy hives that are often sexist, racist, homophobic, and filled with people that think they're way smarter than they actually are. [They're also more likely to contain people like CyberCubed that lord their opinion over others and treat it as fact. That's a stereotype too.] The only fandom forums I've been to that didn't carry a large userbase that conformed to these stereotypes were run by and for female and LGBT fans.

Also, many of these problems are multiplied when the userbase has lots of gamers or western comic book fans. This forum has both.

This environment is not "just the internet".

I guess I'll take both of your statements concern it. :ohwell: It could be a slippery slope though (as we've seen here) on security measures in defining the difference between "trolling" versus a highly unpopular, strongly passionate argument; in addition, to considering the sensitivity of users. ...But I guess it's narrowing down to the "imposing" aspect or forcing it upon someone else, if we get right down to it. Right?

...But...couldn't one argue that the health of the internet trolls gauges the freedom of speech on the internet? :P:-?

[ssjup81]

I'm pretty much the same online and off. I don't like conflict, so I watch what I say and try to treat others the way I would want to be treated.

[plastroncafe]

No. All the number of trolls indicates is how many people choose to be jerks rather than decent people.

[CyberCubed]

Funny that before tumblr was created. these people hung around livejournal and those angelfire websites and yahoo chat rooms in the early 2000's. Even before tumblr these people were segregated from the rest of the fandom.

There is no equal opportunity here, you either like the show for normal reasons or you're shunned to the backwaters. While people can agree/disagree on the show of course, the most absurd headcanon's and wishfullfillment stuff is best left at the door.

We're in the year 2014, not 1999.

[Bry]

I hear that all the time as well, and even well before the "Shellshocked" interview with Ciro.

What was this?

I know these forums have their share of sly trolls and cynics, like any website that hosts forums, but it's the internet. The reason Deviantart and Tumblr appear to be safer is because anyone can make some random remote webpage that's difficult to find, and be able to isolate themselves to their close friends and contacts (with blocking features), but with the Technodrome Forums, it's fairly distinct in being one of the, if not the biggest, forum site for TMNT, so there's going to be a lot more people showing up, carrying with them their criticisms and their internet personalities. Therefore, there's bound to be someone out there who vehemently opposes one's viewpoint/opinion in some way. I'm not saying I support the harsh environment, but that's the culture of this form of communication when there's an increasing amount of people arriving at a site that have some anonymity.

"It's the Internet" isn't really much of an excuse, though. The only reason some people behave like they do online, harassing/trolling and spewing gross nonsense, is because everyone else just puts up with it. If we can do better (and we can) then we should be.

As far as online vs. real life personas, I kind of only have one gimmick and I play it everywhere. S'just one'a me. Less to remember. I'm bewildered how some people craft elaborate personas for themselves on the internet, seems like a lot of work for absolutely zero upside. Ah well. I guess some people just feel they're not very interesting otherwise? ((Shrug))

I'm the same, really. Don't see the need for an "alter ego" anymore. Hell, my username is just my actual name - kind of fell into a philosophy a while back that if I say something publicly, even online, I shouldn't be anonymous. I see either side of that concept, but it works for me.

[IndigoErth]

I think what I love most about 'Cubed is his bald-faced intolerance and bigotry. Either that, or his complete Shia LaBeouf-like lack of self-awareness as to how he presents himself to other people. It's tragically hilarious.

I love how he makes unprovoked broad, sweeping, insensitive and inflammatory statements. Like some kind of imbecilic Dutch person.

:tgrin:
I'm now convinced this thread is really just a TMNT inspired form of performance art.



Only difference in me between real life and internetland is I'm more easily outspoken in writing. Real life I'm more the quiet, observing one who doesn't tend to have much to say. Otherwise in terms of personalty I'm the same.

[Kingoji]

87 F'n points for using the word "arse" in a conversation, my dude. Y'know what? It's Tuesday and it ain't rainin', go ahead and make it an even hundred. Don't say I never gave ya nothin'. 25 Bonus Points if you're actually a Celt. :tgrin:

English mother, Scot father, Irish grandparents. I should probably marry a Welsh girl and spawn the Super-Brit.

[zodiac brave]

There is little to no shipping in TMNT since the one canon pairing (April/Casey) is expected to happen in every series so not much thought comes to it.


shipping isn't just whats canon. the idea of shipping really can do with anything from what is indeed canon to what people want to do with headcanon or fanfic or whatever. shipping is the idea of pairing two characters together, regardless of whether or not its been done in official media.

again you're talking about something you REALLY, ACTUALLY dont even seem to get the definition of.


"It's the Internet" isn't really much of an excuse, though. The only reason some people behave like they do online, harassing/trolling and spewing gross nonsense, is because everyone else just puts up with it. If we can do better (and we can) then we should be.


I think what I love most about 'Cubed is his bald-faced intolerance and bigotry. Either that, or his complete Shia LaBeouf-like lack of self-awareness as to how he presents himself to other people. It's tragically hilarious.

I love how he makes unprovoked broad, sweeping, insensitive and inflammatory statements. Like some kind of imbecilic Dutch person.

:tgrin:

:ohwell:

go, drome!

[Bry]

:ohwell:

go, drome!

At this point, in situations like this, it feels like CyberCubed officially comes with a little disclaimer asterisk that doesn't apply to anyone else. :trazz:

That said - as much as I try to support a "just be nice" policy, some folks seem like they're practically begging for some blowback.

[CyberCubed]

Anyone else think the title of this thread read like the beginning of a hip-hop music video?

[zodiac brave]

At this point, in situations like this, it feels like CyberCubed officially comes with a little disclaimer asterisk that doesn't apply to anyone else. :trazz:

yeah, no.

That said - as much as I try to support a "just be nice" policy, some folks seem like they're practically begging for some blowback.

true dat...

oh my god, true dat!

[DarkFell]

People are gonna ship whatever they want to see happen. While I may not agree with every pairing, there are some interesting ones out there.

And no Cubed, most Turtle'cesters will not stay in a deep dark prison corner. They are entitled to draw what they want as much as the rest of the viewing audience is entitled to like their fanart or dislike it.

Yes this is TMNT, and yes we as people are entitled to see TMNT in whatever way makes US happy. There isn't no right or wrong way to view or enjoy a franchise fandom.

[Netkeeper]

As far as online vs. real life personas, I kind of only have one gimmick and I play it everywhere. S'just one'a me. Less to remember. I'm bewildered how some people craft elaborate personas for themselves on the internet, seems like a lot of work for absolutely zero upside. Ah well. I guess some people just feel they're not very interesting otherwise? ((Shrug))
You know, I like to think the same concerning myself, but people that have met me tell me I'm just a little timid and a lot less angry. I guess I can see where they're coming from, since I'm one of those people with an embarrassing snort that laughs at everything.

Funny that before tumblr was created. these people hung around livejournal and those angelfire websites and yahoo chat rooms in the early 2000's. Even before tumblr these people were segregated from the rest of the fandom.

There is no equal opportunity here, you either like the show for normal reasons or you're shunned to the backwaters. While people can agree/disagree on the show of course, the most absurd headcanon's and wishfullfillment stuff is best left at the door.

We're in the year 2014, not 1999.
Maybe I should start posting some Leatherhead/Donatello fanfiction here, filled with lots of controversial headcanons. If you don't think I've got the balls, I will totally start writing something just for you, CyberCubed. I'll even have a dedication at the top of the first chapter...

For CyberCubed, who thought this type of thinking wasn't "normal", who thought you had to be shunned to the darkest corners of the internet to write stuff like this, who thought you could only show this type of work to like-minded people, who made said like-minded people out to be a horrific savage and also always female: you're stuck with me.

[Shark_Blade]

The show is still very enjoyable for me, so there's nothing to fret about. :tlove:

[zodiac brave]

holy crap, shark blade...that second pic in your sig is friggin STUPID adorable.

my blood sugar just sky rocketed.

:lol:

[The-Shredder]

I pretty much gave up on this show from the day I saw the first trailer, but who knows, maybe I will be won over someday. I still make it a commitment to see every episode since it's TMNT, and having a chuckle or two, but I don't enjoy it as much as I enjoy the first two cartoons. Heck, even the toyline puts me off because in my opinion it's not as high quality and well priced as the 2003 line (back then it was $6 per figure!), but that may have more to do with economic factors rather than design choices.

[Warhorse]

I still don't get this tumblr stuff, but I guess if I used it I would.

I signed up for it long ago as a friend talked me into it but I've yet to use or even really frequent it.

It was interesting at first. I was big into some foreign actors, and I was enjoying stuff people would find of the actors in their earlier works. I also liked some of the fan art, but then they changed their format, and I just don't care for it anymore.

There is little to no shipping in TMNT since the one canon pairing (April/Casey) is expected to happen in every series so not much thought comes to it.



Wrong. 2003 Karai and Leonardo was pretty big back in the day. I would also come across alot of Michelangelo and Kayla, Raph and Angel, and even back then, Donnie and April was a pretty big favorite. Just go and look in youtube. Tons of TMNT 2003 shipping going on.

Most discussions on tumblr resolve around shipping and, "which female character is the best" for other fandom's.

Since TMNT has a lack of major female characters, and shipping in TMNT has always been practically non-existent, that kind of stuff doesn't really work here. The TMNT fandom hasn't been sitting here for the last 25 years saying, "Which girl should each Turtle wind up with?" and so forth.

This is not anime. This is not shipping. This is not female character wars. This is TMNT.

:lol: Damn, my cousins and I were pairing the Turtles up with other gal pals since all the way back with the 80's cartoon. Donnie and Irma, Leo and April, Mikey and Kayla and of course, Raph and Mona Lisa. Don't forget, back then, the other males in that show were either border line psychopaths (Casey Jones) or up right dicks (Vernon and Mr Tompson) The Turtles were the only likable guys on that show, and when we were kids, we just liked to imagine happy endings for the TMNT. The only reason why you are probably not aware of this, is because back then, people didn't have the internet. What we did was go to eachother's houses, drag our toys and actually play make believe, or write stories and draw pictures. But I assure you, the shipping of make believe characters, even the TMNT is nothing new. It happens with every single franchise that was able to break out a bit.

[Bry]

yeah, no.

Well, I didn't say "should". :trazz:

And to the overall running topic: Shipping isn't really my "thing", but anyone even remotely involved in any fandom at all has to be aware of it. It's everywhere, always. Can't imagine why it'd bother anyone. Hell, if anything it's a good sign that something's reaching a wider audience than who it might be (or might be considered to be) primarily aimed at.

[IndigoErth]

The only reason why you are probably not aware of this, is because back then, people didn't have the internet.
Not to mention that most boys, unless they had a sister that was into TMNT, probably had no clue girls even liked it or might play up different aspects of it. :goof:



80s/90s boy-owned TMNT figures: Beaten to hell, prob missing some paint. And limbs.
80s/90s girl-own TMNT figures (the ones who were lucky): Probably still in pretty good condition, value, and probably getting around to writing that tell-all book about the drama with Barbie when she realized TMNT owned the best spot in the toy box.

lol

[Warhorse]

Not to mention that most boys, unless they had a sister that was into TMNT, probably had no clue girls even liked it or might play up different aspects of it. :goof:

And that's sad! I was a huge TMNT fan, and so was all of my gal pals back then. This is how big of fans we were. We had horses named after the boys (while Raphael is my favorite, he was already taken, so I had Leonardo, a dappled grey Arabian) and we even orchestrated a drill number for the county fair to the 80's TMNT theme song, dressed the horses up like TMNT, we were like Ninjas on them, and we had a blast. If someone was to come up to me back then and tell me TMNT is for boys exclusively, I would not have noticed. When the movie came out, the audience was very split, both girls and boys went to see that movie. A few decades later, and the TMNT is still going strong, and I honestly believe the reason for that, is because it has something for everyone. Not just the males, but the females, all ages and backgrounds. And the fact that the main four heroes are green Turtles, that makes them even more inviting for all the different cultures and races. Even on this forum, I think the posters are pretty evenly split, in terms of gender, age and cultures. And I'm proud that my franchise is appealing that way for so many! Those that want to close the door on female fans, well, it's shortsighted and limiting.

[IndigoErth]

And that's sad! I was a huge TMNT fan, and so was all of my gal pals back then. This is how big of fans we were. We had horses named after the boys (while Raphael is my favorite, he was already taken, so I had Leonardo, a dappled grey Arabian) and we even orchestrated a drill number for the county fair to the 80's TMNT theme song, dressed the horses up like TMNT, we were like Ninjas on them, and we had a blast.
That is so awesome :D

I'm sure I was aware I was not alone, though don't really recall directly knowing too many other girls that were into it. Maybe they were and it just never came up since others I knew my age were only seen in school. Mostly it was just me, and my younger sister to a point. Sounds like you had an awesome time with it though.

[The Big Bad]

True story: The most in-depth conversations about TMNT that I've ever had--including talk about guest-star era Mirage, the 2007 film tie-in comics, and Tang Shen--were with a Tumblr-and-deviantArt-account-having, shipping fangirl with a more than entirely fleeting interest in Sexy Mutant Ninja Turtles. These are conversations that could be happening here, but aren't, and the boards' hostility towards segments of the fandom not its own is a huge part of it.

Really? :-? I know these forums have their share of sly trolls and cynics, like any website that hosts forums, but it's the internet. The reason Deviantart and Tumblr appear to be safer is because anyone can make some random remote webpage that's difficult to find, and be able to isolate themselves to their close friends and contacts (with blocking features), but with the Technodrome Forums, it's fairly distinct in being one of the, if not the biggest, forum site for TMNT, so there's going to be a lot more people showing up, carrying with them their criticisms and their internet personalities. Therefore, there's bound to be someone out there who vehemently opposes one's viewpoint/opinion in some way. I'm not saying I support the harsh environment, but that's the culture of this form of communication when there's an increasing amount of people arriving at a site that have some anonymity.

As others have said, no The Technodrome in no way represents the norm. I've seen much bigger boards than this succeed in being much more welcoming and drama-free. The Bumbleking boards, which are comparable to The Technodrome in size and are home to a segment of the always-passionate Sonic the Hedgehog fandom, are exponentially more welcoming--and in the end, more fun--than here, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that they has a moderation team that is far more willing to step in before things get out of hand. Here, however, the role seems to be far more technical than administrative, and that does not help.

[Leo656]

Is it really that bad? I'unno, it always only seems like there's about four or five twatwaffles at any given time out of, what, a couple thousand people? Plus me, but I'm an acquired taste. Can a handful of people really scare off that many other people so easily? Bizarre.

I always figured people were just too busy to post here frequently and I kind of admire that. Kind of a shame that it's because they actively don't want to. Eh, whattyagonnado.

[Warhorse]

Is it really that bad? I'unno, it always only seems like there's about four or five twatwaffles at any given time out of, what, a couple thousand people? Plus me, but I'm an acquired taste. Can a handful of people really scare off that many other people so easily? Bizarre.

I always figured people were just too busy to post here frequently and I kind of admire that. Kind of a shame that it's because they actively don't want to. Eh, whattyagonnado.

There are some real jerks on here, and they tend to be "friends" with some of the mods, so they can do whatever they want, call people idiots, bring them down whenever they try to start something new on the forums, or get drilled for bringing up a subject that a few select think should be closed. I got into some hostile arguements a few years back, and just decided to leave for a while. Then I got word that the new movie was coming out,so I decided to come back. Right now, I seem to be having pretty good convos with most of the newbies versus the old timers. Perhaps the new toon is starting to pry open parts of the TMNT world that were once taboo or forbidden on this site. But, I have also noticed some of my favorite posters of the past simply don't come on here no more, or not as frequently as they used to, like Roseangelo, Triplexx and Buslady.

[Coola Yagami]

But, I have also noticed some of my favorite posters of the past simply don't come on here no more, or not as frequently as they used to, like Roseangelo, Triplexx and Buslady.

Hmm now that you mention it... I don't remember the last time I seen them post here.

[CyberCubed]

Hmm now that you mention it... I don't remember the last time I seen them post here.

Roseangelo posts all the time, what are you talking about? She also still posts on her news site. For some reason she never comments on episode or comic review threads though.

[Coola Yagami]

Roseangelo posts all the time, what are you talking about? She also still posts on her news site. For some reason she never comments on episode or comic review threads though.

Ah, probably why I haven't seen her. I mostly see topics related to the episodes and comics. I didn't know she hada news site.

[Luckyday]

Well this topic sure had derailed off the tracks and crash right into traffic.

[Shark_Blade]

holy crap, shark blade...that second pic in your sig is friggin STUPID adorable.

my blood sugar just sky rocketed.

:lol:
Yeah those dorks. :tlove:

[Refractive Reflections]

There are some real jerks on here, and they tend to be "friends" with some of the mods, so they can do whatever they want, call people idiots, bring them down whenever they try to start something new on the forums, or get drilled for bringing up a subject that a few select think should be closed. I got into some hostile arguements a few years back, and just decided to leave for a while. Then I got word that the new movie was coming out,so I decided to come back. Right now, I seem to be having pretty good convos with most of the newbies versus the old timers. Perhaps the new toon is starting to pry open parts of the TMNT world that were once taboo or forbidden on this site. But, I have also noticed some of my favorite posters of the past simply don't come on here no more, or not as frequently as they used to, like Roseangelo, Triplexx and Buslady.


As others have said, no The Technodrome in no way represents the norm. I've seen much bigger boards than this succeed in being much more welcoming and drama-free. The Bumbleking boards, which are comparable to The Technodrome in size and are home to a segment of the always-passionate Sonic the Hedgehog fandom, are exponentially more welcoming--and in the end, more fun--than here, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that they has a moderation team that is far more willing to step in before things get out of hand. Here, however, the role seems to be far more technical than administrative, and that does not help.


"It's the Internet" isn't really much of an excuse, though. The only reason some people behave like they do online, harassing/trolling and spewing gross nonsense, is because everyone else just puts up with it. If we can do better (and we can) then we should be.


I guess I'm so used to anyone saying anything incendiary online, that it really doesn't surprise me what harassing/trolling pops up eventually. So that's why I'm surprised some people are saying these Technodrome Forums don't represent the norm. In fact, I thought these forums were better than the norm because at least they had some moderation. Plus, we had this conversation before on this topic, for example on this thread (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=44026), and for the most part, people seemed fine with the moderation here.

My viewpoint seemed more in line with Leo656's (because of maybe less than 10 perpetual "trolls" out of hundreds or thousands of users):
Is it really that bad? I'unno, it always only seems like there's about four or five twatwaffles at any given time out of, what, a couple thousand people? Plus me, but I'm an acquired taste. Can a handful of people really scare off that many other people so easily? Bizarre.

I always figured people were just too busy to post here frequently and I kind of admire that. Kind of a shame that it's because they actively don't want to. Eh, whattyagonnado.

[Sophie Campbell]

a handful of awful people can really make a lot of difference. it's not so much the number of people, it's about how bad or vocal they are. and if they're hateful or make you feel bad or whatever, why bother with dealing with them when there are other places that are much safer and more welcoming with more people who are interested in the same things you are? why subject yourself to that handful of hateful people when you don't have to?

i'm an official TMNT artist and even i often feel uncomfortable posting here. :\

[Candy Kappa]

True story: The most in-depth conversations about TMNT that I've ever had--including talk about guest-star era Mirage, the 2007 film tie-in comics, and Tang Shen--were with a Tumblr-and-deviantArt-account-having, shipping fangirl with a more than entirely fleeting interest in Sexy Mutant Ninja Turtles. These are conversations that could be happening here, but aren't, and the boards' hostility towards segments of the fandom not its own is a huge part of it.

Sounds like an interesting conversation, jelly.

a handful of awful people can really make a lot of difference. it's not so much the number of people, it's about how bad or vocal they are. and if they're hateful or make you feel bad or whatever, why bother with dealing with them when there are other places that are much safer and more welcoming with more people who are interested in the same things you are? why subject yourself to that handful of hateful people when you don't have to?

i'm an official TMNT artist and even i often feel uncomfortable posting here. :\

:tsad:

[plastroncafe]

You might see ten jerks out of hundreds of forum members, but a new person wouldn't. They'd see ten jerks, and then hundreds of forum members silently letting those jerks dominate the conversation with their asshaberdashery and assume that everyone else agrees.

Friends of mine continually ask me why I even bother with Fanboy Forums, and I tell them time and time again:

I'm not comfortable with the blanket assumption that we're all like that.
This is my fandom too.

[Bry]

My viewpoint seemed more in line with Leo656's (because of maybe less than 10 perpetual "trolls" out of hundreds or thousands of users):

Well, that's true, and I'd say the vast majority are good folks. But even a small handful of trolls can sour the overall mood if they're loud/aggressive enough and everyone gives 'em free reign. Overall I think the moderation is good here, and I appreciate the work all the mods put in. But it's pretty rare to see any permanent consequences for the real "repeat offenders". I've seen a good few people get multiple temporary bans but keep coming back to troll again.

i'm an official TMNT artist and even i often feel uncomfortable posting here. :\

This isn't a first, either - there have been a lot of TMNT pros who have been effectively chased off over the years. I enjoy it here a lot (I've gone MIA for periods just because I was busy, but I keep coming back), but I do wish it was more welcoming to everybody - fans and pros, newbies and long-timers. A lot of communities have that problem, but there's no reason we can't do better.

[IndigoErth]

:ohwell:

Eh I just figure there are those in the world who go through life always needing to be unhappy about something, anything, not just exclusive to here but their general approach to life. I assume there are probably at least a few in every corner, including TMNT and every other fandom.

I enjoy being a part of an active forum, but have had to learn over the years to have a thick skin on them. Gotta be a damn conversation ninja on these things anymore. I do not consider myself one that can be easily gotten to, on the rare occasion that some little bugger tries, the majority of the time they are going to fail or lose steam fairly quickly. They just aren't worth arguing with.

[Davetello]

So...this shipping stuff. I didn't have a clue what 'shipping' was until I read about it on this site - I guess I'm just not someone who's up with the times in terms of the internet. I'm a 32 year old man after all so I assume I'm not the target demograph.

Is it actually pornographic? I mean do we see pictures where Leo is sucking Usagi off, or Casey is taking Raph up the backside? Because I find that sort of thing more than a little strange. But if it's just cute stuff like two characters holding hands, kissing, cuddling etc, I see no problem with it. I have zero interest in that but it seems pretty innocent. But I would have a problem with a child drawing fictional characters in graphic situations.

Oh, and I've read the majority of the thread and there's some nice discussion going on here, nice read.

[Cure]

Is it actually pornographic?

I think most shippers keep it innocent, but there is pornographic stuff out there. Just...don't Google it.

[Davetello]

I think most shippers keep it innocent, but there is pornographic stuff out there. Just...don't Google it.

Hahaha, don't worry - I have no intention to. I suppose that's why I asked here rather than go looking for it - don't wanna stumble upon something I don't wanna see.

[oldmanwinters]

a handful of awful people can really make a lot of difference. it's not so much the number of people, it's about how bad or vocal they are. and if they're hateful or make you feel bad or whatever, why bother with dealing with them when there are other places that are much safer and more welcoming with more people who are interested in the same things you are? why subject yourself to that handful of hateful people when you don't have to?

i'm an official TMNT artist and even i often feel uncomfortable posting here. :\

The one thing I really wish the Drome community did better was encouraging a robust culture of art. Most of the feedback I've sought on these forums regarding my own art hasn't lived up to my hopes, though I am quite thankful for the various advice and encouragement a few folks have given me in regards to improving my own craft.

I think I've survived this long on the forums by more-or-less only entering threads when I'm sharing or looking for information about some aspect of the franchise's history. I like a good number of the folks around here, but there's only a handful I've dedicated to associate with beyond the safe & mysterious confines of the forum avatars. The Drome is a great place, but if I answered every comment exchange or tried to jump into every stupid discussion, I'm sure I'd quickly lose my cool and get rude.

Old Toon Raphael would never cut it on these boards. :tlol:

EDIT: Man, this thread has really gotten off topic... although I was never sure what the original topic was supposed to be.

[plastroncafe]

So...this shipping stuff. I didn't have a clue what 'shipping' was until I read about it on this site - I guess I'm just not someone who's up with the times in terms of the internet. I'm a 32 year old man after all so I assume I'm not the target demograph.


Oh sweet summer child, let me introduce you to something known as Rule 34. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule+34)

You could very easily be the target demographic for this segment of subculture if you wanted to be.

[IndigoErth]

I think most shippers keep it innocent, but there is pornographic stuff out there. Just...don't Google it.
Hell, you don't even have to Google it, that junk will practically hunt you down itself.

I was long in the habit of checking out cool new Warcraft fan art frequently enough so when I got back into TMNT I automatically looked it up too.

I've learned not to look for TMNT fan art online.

[Netkeeper]

Is it actually pornographic? I mean do we see pictures where Leo is sucking Usagi off, or Casey is taking Raph up the backside? Because I find that sort of thing more than a little strange. But if it's just cute stuff like two characters holding hands, kissing, cuddling etc, I see no problem with it. I have zero interest in that but it seems pretty innocent. But I would have a problem with a child drawing fictional characters in graphic situations.
Some shippers keep it innocent. Some do smut every once in a while. And then there's some that make it mostly pornographic. It varies from person to person.

Anybody that views or creates smut when the creator themselves is underage is looked down upon, often reported to the site the stuff's hosted on, because that's not legal. The people that like the rule 34 are the adults. [But not all adult shippers like the rule 34.]

Me? Hell yeah. Not all my fanwork is shippy [in fact very little of it is] but when I DO make something shippy, it usually turns to smut.

[BubblyShell22]

Yes and don't forget the fan fiction. Cubed, I must let you know that 2K3 shipping was happening a lot on Fanfiction.Net as I read some of the stories myself. There was Don/April, Leo/Usagi, Raph/Casey, and even Raph/Angel at times. Shipping isn't new to the TMNT franchise and never will be. And while I'm not a fan of t-cest myself, I just avoid reading those types of stories, though I am giving an exception to one story by one of my favorite FF authors who's doing a good job with it. But for you to say that nobody should be allowed here who differs from you is very ignorant, narrow-minded, and much like a dictator would say. Let's hope Cybercubed never becomes President because we'll all be doomed.

And, Ross, I hear you there. Sometimes I don't want to be on here, but I've made some good friends here and I enjoy posting my own fan fiction and hearing the feedback from members here as well as discussing the TMNT as a whole on certain boards. If it wasn't for the Nick show and me posting my fan fiction, I probably wouldn't bother with this place anymore.

[ssjup81]

Everytime I frequent this thread, I can't help but wonder how I can be so oblivious to this stuff.

That aside, I was doing the "shipping" thing before it was a thing. As a kid I loved Disney's Adventure of the Gummi Bears. There I was 7 or 8 liking the idea of Cavin and Callah growing up and becoming a couple, and this was back in the 80s. I always paired certain characters up...usually hetero since the concept of homosexual people was a foreign concept and never came to mind. Not like they were depicted in media much at all. When young, I thought Boy George was a woman with a strange voice. lol

[The Big Bad]

... although I was never sure what the original topic was supposed to be.

To paraphrase in a less diplomatic manner: has this become a series where enjoying it means actively ignoring all the obvious plot holes and inconsistencies and just focusing on the fun and clever bits? Does it require just going with it without thinking about things too much?

[Sophie Campbell]

But for you to say that nobody should be allowed here who differs from you is very ignorant, narrow-minded, and much like a dictator would say. Let's hope Cybercubed never becomes President because we'll all be doomed.

Cubed is also decrying fans who engage with TMNT in a certain way and saying they should leave their headcanons and "wish fulfillment" at the door, but then he's busy supporting Andrew's Odyssey and Origin fan comics, which let's face it is exactly the same thing, just more acceptable to the average (usually male) fan. it's an offensive double standard.

Cubed, you also assume TMNT shippers and t-cesters are shunned to the darkest corners or whatever, but i'm one of them and i'm working on the IDW series and i even did some work for Mirage. we're closer than you think. >: )

[DarthEmpress]

Shipping happens among fans even in shows that don't have any romantic content whatsoever. In fact, I find that shipping becomes even more intense in a fandom if there's little to no romance. Freaky, but it happens.

Based on the fanart I've seen from tumblr, deviantart, and international websites, particularly Japan, the most popular shipping is tcest followed by April/Don and Leo/Karai. It's interesting how the one canon ship, Casey/April, is rarely ever drawn. And now we're getting some Karai/Casey teasing in Vol 4, which I only see a very small portion of fans even acknowledging. I chalk it all up to "they're all human so it's boring" since the stars of the series are the four terrapins.

If anything, the Nick series has revived the Leorai and Apritello fervor that started among fans with the 2k3 series and was laying dormant after the show ended. Funny since neither were canon in 2k3.

Anyway, I'd never post the majority of what I post on my blog here. That's why my Ciro Nieli podcast reaction was posted on tumblr. This forum can't handle a decent conversation about feminism.

[Netkeeper]

Cubed, you also assume TMNT shippers and t-cesters are shunned to the darkest corners or whatever, but i'm one of them and i'm working on the IDW series and i even did some work for Mirage. we're closer than you think. >: )
A message from my brother and I: keep doing what you're doing, because that's ****ing awesome.

[Luckyday]

Cubed is also decrying fans who engage with TMNT in a certain way and saying they should leave their headcanons and "wish fulfillment" at the door, but then he's busy supporting Andrew's Odyssey and Origin fan comics, which let's face it is exactly the same thing, just more acceptable to the average (usually male) fan. it's an offensive double standard.

Cubed, you also assume TMNT shippers and t-cesters are shunned to the darkest corners or whatever, but i'm one of them and i'm working on the IDW series and i even did some work for Mirage. we're closer than you think. >: )

http://i.imgur.com/YnSMmzS.gif

[Metalwolf]

i'm an official TMNT artist and even i often feel uncomfortable posting here. :\



This isn't a first, either - there have been a lot of TMNT pros who have been effectively chased off over the years. I enjoy it here a lot (I've gone MIA for periods just because I was busy, but I keep coming back), but I do wish it was more welcoming to everybody - fans and pros, newbies and long-timers. A lot of communities have that problem, but there's no reason we can't do better.Yeah, I remember hearing that Cubed pretty much chased off Ciro. (It's why you see a lot of folks showing hostility towards him.) I think Ciro's only posted once or twice on here since then, mostly about how one of the other major digital studios were stealing his artists.

As for the erotic shipping, do people actually feel arousal when reading that stuff? Do the authors get the same feeling or write it so that they and other people can masturbate to it? I never got the appeal of reading about two characters inserting tab A into slot B, what makes it so special over them eating or sleeping or pooping on the toilet? :blanksta:

[IndigoErth]

Ya know... If I understand this term "headcanon" correctly... Assuming the artists who work on TMNT (lucky buggers) are also likewise fans of them... when new and/or continuing stories are written, isn't it all technically starting out as "headcanon" until it's published and "official"? :) Hmmmm....

[CyberCubed]

Keep in mind I don't mind shipping in general, but TMNT isn't really the franchise for it. This isn't anime.

Let's look through the series for canon ships:

- Original toon: None aside from Raph having a thing for Mona Lisa. Leo also had a crush on Lotus Blossom that faded after one episode

- 4kids: April/Casey, Don might have had a subtle crush on April for a little while. Nothing else other than Karai/Leo holding a grudge.

- Movies: April/Casey

- Archie: Raph/Ninjara

- Mirage: April/Casey, some one off stuff never to be spoken of again

- Nick: Don/April, Casey/April, possible Leo/Karai

- IDW: April/Casey, possibly Angel/Casey too



TMNT is not known for shipping. Raph had a few love interests but that's usually it.

[IndigoErth]

Honestly though, what's really so offensive about the concept. Fan stuff is harmless and no one is forced to read/see. If it's within the actual TMNT media, what damage does it do? Relationships are icky? Allowing them to have crushes, girlfriends and whatnot would really only add more dimension to them in the long run, would it not?

It's kinda sad to think of them being stuck in a 'forever alone' situation because there really is no one else like them. :ohwell:


Maybe Nick should find Raph a lady friend this time around as well, someone that might be able to mellow him out a tad now and then. Either that or it ends up two bulls in a china shop and best stay out of their way... lol :P

[ssjup81]

Keep in mind I don't mind shipping in general, but TMNT isn't really the franchise for it. This isn't anime.

Let's look through the series for canon ships:

- Original toon: None aside from Raph having a thing for Mona Lisa. Leo also had a crush on Lotus Blossom that faded after one episode

- 4kids: April/Casey, Don might have had a subtle crush on April for a little while. Nothing else other than Karai/Leo holding a grudge.

- Movies: April/Casey

- Archie: Raph/Ninjara

- Mirage: April/Casey, some one off stuff never to be spoken of again

- Nick: Don/April, Casey/April, possible Leo/Karai

- IDW: April/Casey, possibly Angel/Casey too



TMNT is not known for shipping. Raph had a few love interests but that's usually it.Shipping isn't that black & white. People are going to ship whatever appeals to them regardless of the franchise or the characters. For some maybe they want it to happen while others don't care and just like the concept of said characters together. It's not limited to just "anime".

[zodiac brave]

Cubed is also decrying fans who engage with TMNT in a certain way and saying they should leave their headcanons and "wish fulfillment" at the door, but then he's busy supporting Andrew's Odyssey and Origin fan comics, which let's face it is exactly the same thing, just more acceptable to the average (usually male) fan. it's an offensive double standard.

Cubed, you also assume TMNT shippers and t-cesters are shunned to the darkest corners or whatever, but i'm one of them and i'm working on the IDW series and i even did some work for Mirage. we're closer than you think. >: )

they should film this post and show it every christmas!


TMNT is not known for shipping.

tell that to the shippers.

[Metalwolf]

I hope I didn't ask too strong a question earlier. The whole shipping deal just comes off as a bit too odd for me.

[ssjup81]

I hope I didn't ask too strong a question earlier. The whole shipping deal just comes off as a bit too odd for me.Not too odd. As a kid I shipped junk without realizing it. lol

"Character A and B would look cute together." That was the extent of it though.

I am with Cube though when comes to turtle stuff. I don't think I was ever into anything shippy for this franchise, 'cept for maybe an 11/12-year-old me seeing that OT ep with Mona Lisa...but I just like how she played off of Raph, so maybe this shouldn't count.

[Netkeeper]

As for the erotic shipping, do people actually feel arousal when reading that stuff? Do the authors get the same feeling or write it so that they and other people can masturbate to it? I never got the appeal of reading about two characters inserting tab A into slot B, what makes it so special over them eating or sleeping or pooping on the toilet? :blanksta:
I'll answer this under a spoiler because I'm sure a lot of you won't want to scroll past it:
Some people do, sure. Since I'm one of those people, I can say that for me personally? Depends on the characters, how attractive I find those characters, and what kind of kinks are involved. Sometimes I'll just read an erotic story because they're funny. Sometimes I'll read them because they're hot. Sometimes it's an in-between. I don't fap to them, though, but I know people that do.

And as for writers, most of the writers I know don't fap to their own stories either. In some fandoms, erotic fic is largely written for anonymous kink memes where people request what they want to read, and someone else comes in and writes it; I've done those just for the experience in writing, and I know others that have done the same. All of it is done without any names attached to it, so nobody knows who requested, who wrote, and those things don't get attached to your public name. I've seen them floating around for this fandom, but nobody requested anything I wanted to write.

Of course, what makes them special also varies from person to person. For some people it's just the fact that it's porn, regardless of what characters are involved. For others it's that they find the characters in question [and/or any kinks involved; for a lot of people I know, those two things tie into each other] attractive. I also know people that just like the idea of looking into how the relationship dynamics between two characters change when it becomes sexual, and THAT is hella interesting.

Sorry, I can talk about porn and sex for a long time, I should probably shut up about this.

Keep in mind I don't mind shipping in general, but TMNT isn't really the franchise for it. This isn't anime.

[Snip]

TMNT is not known for shipping. Raph had a few love interests but that's usually it.
Jesus you're dense. Shipping is almost never about what actually happens in canon, because we have CANON for that! Most people like to ship because it's NOT present in the source material. Fan work will always have a large portion dedicated to stuff that wouldn't happen in canon. [Which is why nobody cares about April/Casey.]

And, sorry to burst your bubble, but shipping happens in every medium. It isn't exclusive to anime. Look at all the different mediums here (https://www.fanfiction.net/j/0/0/1/) -- just a two second look at anything in the romance genre can show you that ANYTHING gets shippy fanwork.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to playing Ace Attorney and shipping Phoenix and Maya.

[snake]

This thread.


Wow.

[Machias Banshee]

This thread has been strange and interesting at the same time...

I hate that people feel the forums are THAT hostile and unfriendly. We used to be known as one of the nicest and friendliest ones on the net.

And with moderating people, there's always a careful balance with speech freedoms vs inappropriate language. Believe me, there are times that I wanna strangle Cybercubed (i.e. Driving Ciro off)...


As for shipping... personally, it's not my thing, so I don't check it out. *shrug* The incest stuff... bothers me on a personal level for personal reasons, but I don't speak badly of those that like it. I just avoid it.

[snake]

Thing is, the forums aren't hostile. Some people are just extremely sensitive and can't take opinions other then their own.

[Warhorse]

Keep in mind I don't mind shipping in general, but TMNT isn't really the franchise for it. This isn't anime.

Let's look through the series for canon ships:

- Original toon: None aside from Raph having a thing for Mona Lisa. Leo also had a crush on Lotus Blossom that faded after one episode

- 4kids: April/Casey, Don might have had a subtle crush on April for a little while. Nothing else other than Karai/Leo holding a grudge.

- Movies: April/Casey

- Archie: Raph/Ninjara

- Mirage: April/Casey, some one off stuff never to be spoken of again

- Nick: Don/April, Casey/April, possible Leo/Karai

- IDW: April/Casey, possibly Angel/Casey too



TMNT is not known for shipping. Raph had a few love interests but that's usually it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but is it possible the reason we never did see too much in the cartoons and comics with the Turtles themselves getting with someone, was because Peter Laird simply was not a fan of it? And he was also dead set against any human/TMNT pairing. Now, Peter Laird has sold the rights, and this stubborn stance of his is no longer in the way, Nick is free to do what previous incarnations simply were not allowed to do.
I'll answer this under a spoiler because I'm sure a lot of you won't want to scroll past it:
Some people do, sure. Since I'm one of those people, I can say that for me personally? Depends on the characters, how attractive I find those characters, and what kind of kinks are involved. Sometimes I'll just read an erotic story because they're funny. Sometimes I'll read them because they're hot. Sometimes it's an in-between. I don't fap to them, though, but I know people that do.

And as for writers, most of the writers I know don't fap to their own stories either. In some fandoms, erotic fic is largely written for anonymous kink memes where people request what they want to read, and someone else comes in and writes it; I've done those just for the experience in writing, and I know others that have done the same. All of it is done without any names attached to it, so nobody knows who requested, who wrote, and those things don't get attached to your public name. I've seen them floating around for this fandom, but nobody requested anything I wanted to write.

Of course, what makes them special also varies from person to person. For some people it's just the fact that it's porn, regardless of what characters are involved. For others it's that they find the characters in question [and/or any kinks involved; for a lot of people I know, those two things tie into each other] attractive. I also know people that just like the idea of looking into how the relationship dynamics between two characters change when it becomes sexual, and THAT is hella interesting.

Sorry, I can talk about porn and sex for a long time, I should probably shut up about this.

One of the main reasons I love to read it, is because we are getting inside the character's head, and it gives them a 3 dimension arc that normally is limited within the official stories/comics/cartoons and movies.


Jesus you're dense. Shipping is almost never about what actually happens in canon, because we have CANON for that! Most people like to ship because it's NOT present in the source material. Fan work will always have a large portion dedicated to stuff that wouldn't happen in canon. [Which is why nobody cares about April/Casey.]

And, sorry to burst your bubble, but shipping happens in every medium. It isn't exclusive to anime. Look at all the different mediums here (https://www.fanfiction.net/j/0/0/1/) -- just a two second look at anything in the romance genre can show you that ANYTHING gets shippy fanwork.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to playing Ace Attorney and shipping Phoenix and Maya.

Yeah, shipping/slashing is pretty much in anything and everything. The most popular shipped/slashed franchises I am pretty sure are Harry Potter, X-Men, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and Star Trek. And none of these is anime.

[CyberCubed]

Shipping brings out the worst in people, I've seen it. I don't mind people's "headcanon's" but once the adult fanart and fanfiction comes roaming in, that's where I draw the line.

Also its pretty obvious that most of the hardcore shippers are female, (before anyone asks, yes, I've seen the vast majority of hardcore shippers have a higher ratio of females to males), its mostly due to trying to vicariously live through the characters and wish fullfillment.

Its no surprise most slash/incest/gay pairings come from these people over supporting, "canon" shippings or ones that are close friendship based. The deepest darkest places exist for these people. Dark, scary places.

[ssjup81]

Shipping brings out the worst in people, I've seen it. I don't mind people's "headcanon's" but once the adult fanart and fanfiction comes roaming in, that's where I draw the line.

Also its pretty obvious that most of the hardcore shippers are female, (before anyone asks, yes, I've seen the vast majority of hardcore shippers have a higher ratio of females to males), its mostly due to trying to vicariously live through the characters and wish fullfillment.

Its no surprise most slash/incest/gay pairings come from these people over supporting, "canon" shippings or ones that are close friendship based. The deepest darkest places exist for these people. Dark, scary places.Years ago, when I was a Pokemon fan, one pairing I liked the concept of was Toru (Todd/Snap in English) and Imite (Duplica in English). These characters have never even met, but I liked the idea if the two for some reason. Did I expect it to happen? No. Just all in good fun. It's not "head canon" for me, just fun.

Some people do take shipping way too seriously, but anyone who does to the extent you're implying (DIE YOU DON'T LIKE MY SHIP!! YOU SUCK!), then I'm sure they're like that with other things too.

[Warhorse]

Years ago, when I was a Pokemon fan, one pairing I liked the concept of was Toru (Todd/Snap in English) and Imite (Duplica in English). These characters have never even met, but I liked the idea if the two for some reason. Did I expect it to happen? No. Just all in good fun. It's not "head canon" for me, just fun.

Some people do take shipping way too seriously, but anyone who does to the extent you're implying (DIE YOU DON'T LIKE MY SHIP!! YOU SUCK!), then I'm sure they're like that with other things too.

I'm not into anything shipping wise between these characters, but I do love the idea that Hitgirl and the TMNT share the same world and they fight together. This is when fanfiction is fun, because it toys with an idea that is more than likely, never ever going to happen.

[ssjup81]

I'm not into anything shipping wise between these characters, but I do love the idea that Hitgirl and the TMNT share the same world and they fight together. This is when fanfiction is fun, because it toys with an idea that is more than likely, never ever going to happen.Yeah. That can be interesting too. I liked Digimon and one thing that highly interested me was Koushirou (Izzy's) adoption. I wanted to read a fic on that, as I felt it would be interesting to see how Japan handles that mind of stuff...but nothing. I just wrote one myself. I find it "meh" but it was something. I wanted a fic about him looking into his past and since no one had written it I did. lol

It's rare that I read fics now, but I've always liked what if situations and scenarios.

[oldmanwinters]

To paraphrase in a less diplomatic manner: has this become a series where enjoying it means actively ignoring all the obvious plot holes and inconsistencies and just focusing on the fun and clever bits? Does it require just going with it without thinking about things too much?

Ah, I see! Thanks!

[Metalwolf]

Shipping brings out the worst in people, I've seen it. I don't mind people's "headcanon's" but once the adult fanart and fanfiction comes roaming in, that's where I draw the line.

Also its pretty obvious that most of the hardcore shippers are female, (before anyone asks, yes, I've seen the vast majority of hardcore shippers have a higher ratio of females to males), its mostly due to trying to vicariously live through the characters and wish fullfillment.

Its no surprise most slash/incest/gay pairings come from these people over supporting, "canon" shippings or ones that are close friendship based. The deepest darkest places exist for these people. Dark, scary places.I've heard somewhere that fanfiction.net is often one of the sites that gets the most erotic fanfiction on it, and that a huge amount was done by females.

I think the romance/erotic genre seems to be most popularly dominated by females, the common super-market romance novel (a.k.a the 'bodice ripper') is often the female's version of porn.

[Netkeeper]

Its no surprise most slash/incest/gay pairings come from these people over supporting, "canon" shippings or ones that are close friendship based. The deepest darkest places exist for these people. Dark, scary places.
Nope, I'm here and this place is for me. I declare it Leatherhead/Donatello time.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/d782320abec35a3d226936ffc34beef6/tumblr_n02z84g2cG1stm779o1_500.jpg

[Candy Kappa]

Nope, I'm here and this place is for me. I declare it Leatherhead/Donatello time.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/d782320abec35a3d226936ffc34beef6/tumblr_n02z84g2cG1stm779o1_500.jpg

For science!

[DarkFell]

So do you think in order to enjoy watching it anymore, you would have stop taking this show seriously?

It depends on a viewer chooses to 'approach' the series. It can be a bit of a kill-joy to view the show with a serious mindset. At the same time it would be nice if certain parts of the series made some sense. So, it's a bit of a divided opinion.

Sorry for not totally understanding where this thread was originally going.:ohwell: I assume that this was the direction this thread was intended to go before the rest of us got into the TMNT anti-shipping everything dispute.

[The Big Bad]

I think the romance/erotic genre seems to be most popularly dominated by females, the common super-market romance novel (a.k.a the 'bodice ripper') is often the female's version of porn.

Yup, it's the genre that's by largely by women, for women, about women, which is largely why it gets the stigma it does. The fact that shipping gets similar flack is not coincidental. Are there things one could criticize about shipping? Sure. It is sometimes used to glorify unhealthy dynamics--Donatello and April shipping, at least if the characters are anything like they are in the actual Nick show--and it can sometimes be quite racist, sexist, queerphobic, etc. However, critiquing those things in the fandom while ignoring it when they're done officially, and while ignoring the way shipping often does things better than canon--Donatello and April are often much better in fanfic than they are in the show--is ugly and hypocritical.

[BubblyShell22]

Cubed is also decrying fans who engage with TMNT in a certain way and saying they should leave their headcanons and "wish fulfillment" at the door, but then he's busy supporting Andrew's Odyssey and Origin fan comics, which let's face it is exactly the same thing, just more acceptable to the average (usually male) fan. it's an offensive double standard.

Cubed, you also assume TMNT shippers and t-cesters are shunned to the darkest corners or whatever, but i'm one of them and i'm working on the IDW series and i even did some work for Mirage. we're closer than you think. >: )

Good for you, Ross. Keep doing what you're doing and keep on supporting the shipping. I'm the same way with my fan fiction, and I have no problem supporting certain pairings. Cubed is just a narrow-minded guy who thinks that the world shouldn't have any enjoyment over anything. I feel so sorry for him.



Keep in mind I don't mind shipping in general, but TMNT isn't really the franchise for it. This isn't anime.

Let's look through the series for canon ships:

- Original toon: None aside from Raph having a thing for Mona Lisa. Leo also had a crush on Lotus Blossom that faded after one episode

- 4kids: April/Casey, Don might have had a subtle crush on April for a little while. Nothing else other than Karai/Leo holding a grudge.

- Movies: April/Casey

- Archie: Raph/Ninjara

- Mirage: April/Casey, some one off stuff never to be spoken of again

- Nick: Don/April, Casey/April, possible Leo/Karai

- IDW: April/Casey, possibly Angel/Casey too



TMNT is not known for shipping. Raph had a few love interests but that's usually it.

You are so wrong, Cubed. In the original toon, I've seen Raph/Mona Lisa, Don/Irma, Mikey/Kala, Mikey/April, Leo/Lotus, and even Leo/April.

4Kids: Don/April, Leo/Karai, Raph/Angel, Mikey/Renet, April/Casey, Leo/Usagi were some of the ones I saw.

Movies: Mikey/Mitsu and April/Casey are the ones I can think of, though I'm sure there are some who may ship Raph/Keno. I'm not sure on that one though.

Archie: Raph/Ninjara and Mikey/Oyuki are two I've seen.

Mirage: April/Casey, Leo/Radical, Raph/Lucindra, Don/Jhanna and that's all I can think of there.

Nick: Don/April, Leo/Karai, Casey/April for now. I'm sure there could be either Don/Irma or even Mikey/Irma based on a joke Ciro said to Greg Cipes about saving Irma for Mikey. And maybe if another character gets introduced like Mona Lisa or someone else, they could be paired with Raph.

I'm not that familiar with IDW, so I can't really comment on that. Sorry.

So, you're totally wrong on all of that, Cubed. Shipping DOES happen in TMNT. You're just too narrow-minded to really see the big picture like the rest of us. And also don't forget the Turtle/OC pairings you see in fan fiction. Yes, I'm guilty of it myself, and I'm proud of it.

[Luckyday]

Yup, it's the genre that's by largely by women, for women, about women, which is largely why it gets the stigma it does. The fact that shipping gets similar flack is not coincidental. Are there things one could criticize about shipping? Sure. It is sometimes used to glorify unhealthy dynamics--Donatello and April shipping, at least if the characters are anything like they are in the actual Nick show--and it can sometimes be quite racist, sexist, queerphobic, etc. However, critiquing those things in the fandom while ignoring it when they're done officially, and while ignoring the way shipping often does things better than canon--Donatello and April are often much better in fanfic than they are in the show--is ugly and hypocritical.

Really? So trying to make more like the show can work against you? :tsweatdr:

[BubblyShell22]

Well, it can in the sense that people may not like the pairing you support or they may not support a pairing that isn't canon to the show and you might get flack for it. As for me, I don't care. I'll ship whatever the hell I want and if people don't like my stuff, then fine.

Also forgot to add that I've also seen Mikey/Leatherhead fan fiction for the Nick show and Don/Leatherhead for the 2K3 show. Bring it on!

[The Big Bad]

Really? So trying to make more like the show can work against you? :tsweatdr:

I'm not sure what you mean. The bolded phrase is about shipping in general, not TMNT itself. Could you rephrase?

[Luckyday]

Oh okay. I read that completely wrong. I thought he meant if you try to stay close to the show then your characters would come off as sexiest and racist. :lol:

[The Big Bad]

Ah, I see. I actually believe that too, to a degree. If we have fanfic that were, say, about the love triangle, and it were told in accordance to the show's style and canon, that fanfic would indeed most likely end up being sexist, because the show's treatment of the triangle is itself sexist. I just didn't express that in that particular sentence.

[Luckyday]

Ah, I see. I actually believe that too, to a degree. If we have fanfic that were, say, about the love triangle, and it were told in accordance to the show's style and canon, that fanfic would indeed most likely end up being sexist, because the show's treatment of the triangle is itself sexist. I just didn't express that in that particular sentence.

And now I'm suddenly worried. It's also like if you really want to make a good fan fic then you would need stop watching the show all to together. Just for clarification, how is the love triangle sexist and what would you do to fix it?

[plastroncafe]

Shipping brings out the worst in people, I've seen it. I don't mind people's "headcanon's" but once the adult fanart and fanfiction comes roaming in, that's where I draw the line.

Also its pretty obvious that most of the hardcore shippers are female, (before anyone asks, yes, I've seen the vast majority of hardcore shippers have a higher ratio of females to males), its mostly due to trying to vicariously live through the characters and wish fullfillment.

Its no surprise most slash/incest/gay pairings come from these people over supporting, "canon" shippings or ones that are close friendship based. The deepest darkest places exist for these people. Dark, scary places.

Translation:
Girls are gross, and I wish they'd go away.
Or at very least play with their dolls the way I want them to.

[Netkeeper]

Don/Leatherhead for the 2K3 show.
AKA the unholy tyrant of all ships that will destroy everything in its wake

it's the godzilla of tmnt slash

which makes it the best one

[Coola Yagami]

eh... if you ask me shipping has been around since Gilligan's Island with people arguing wether or nor Gilligan will end up with Ginger or Mary Ann.... see what I did there? :lol:

[Commenter 42]

I guess I'll take both of your statements concern it. :ohwell: It could be a slippery slope though (as we've seen here) on security measures in defining the difference between "trolling" versus a highly unpopular, strongly passionate argument; in addition, to considering the sensitivity of users. ...But I guess it's narrowing down to the "imposing" aspect or forcing it upon someone else, if we get right down to it. Right?

...But...couldn't one argue that the health of the internet trolls gauges the freedom of speech on the internet? :P:-?

This is why the drome remains one of the most interesting places on the net.
Here, there be monsters.

I like challenging opinions, and being challenged in return. Sanitizing the discussions defeats the purpose of having a forum. Some people would prefer us all to be Stepford wives.

So not down for that.

[CyberCubed]

Translation:
Girls are gross, and I wish they'd go away.
Or at very least play with their dolls the way I want them to.

I'm pretty sure I read the author of Harry Potter received "death threats" from fans because Hermoine wound up with Ron instead of Harry.

The fact that shippers are such idiots that they think they can send death threats to the writer of an entire series just because two characters didn't get together is laughable.

[ssjup81]

I'm pretty sure I read the author of Harry Potter received "death threats" from fans because Hermoine wound up with Ron instead of Harry.

The fact that shippers are such idiots that they think they can send death threats to the writer of an entire series just because two characters didn't get together is laughable.You're generalizing though. Not all shippers are fanatics and not all fanatics are shippers. In my view, anyone who gets that worked up over any aspect of a work of fiction that didn't go the way they wanted where they're sending threats to the creator/author can't be right in the head in general and should probably be avoided.

[Warhorse]

Yeah. That can be interesting too. I liked Digimon and one thing that highly interested me was Koushirou (Izzy's) adoption. I wanted to read a fic on that, as I felt it would be interesting to see how Japan handles that mind of stuff...but nothing. I just wrote one myself. I find it "meh" but it was something. I wanted a fic about him looking into his past and since no one had written it I did. lol

It's rare that I read fics now, but I've always liked what if situations and scenarios.

Yeah, the last fan fiction I read was one on Leo and an OC, and then one on Hermione and Draco. The last fanfiction I wrote though, ironically enough, was back right after Transformers Dark Side of the Moon came out, and I did a really lengthy story on Mikaela and how she was fighting along Nest.

[Commenter 42]

I guess I should know, but don't.

What is headcannon?

[Warhorse]

eh... if you ask me shipping has been around since Gilligan's Island with people arguing wether or nor Gilligan will end up with Ginger or Mary Ann.... see what I did there? :lol:

Hahhahaha, LMFAO! Ha, if its's OK for hard asses Casey Jones and Donatello to fight over a shipping war, then it should be fine for the rest of us!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[NYShell]

Have you heard that phase? It use to describe any show that would skip the general logistics like...well pick any twilight zone episode or maybe even a doctor who episode that was written by Steven Moffat, and I feel that term has come to described recent Nick TMNT episodes. So do you think in order to enjoy watching it anymore, you would have stop taking this show seriously?

I never took this show seriously. I can enjoy it really only for the reasons that its a TMNT show and fun. Other than that, there's nothing special or groundbreaking about this show. It's very overhyped.

[Netkeeper]

I guess I should know, but don't.

What is headcannon?
http://i.imgur.com/q2Brv6x.jpg

Headcanon is just fanon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fanon) on an individual level. Quirks, behaviours, personality traits, or other aspects of a character that are not defined in canon, that a fan comes up with in their head as part of their unique interpretation of the character. Some common headcanon examples would be a name that somebody gives to an unnamed character, what an orphaned character's parents looked like, what kind of voice a non-voiced character has, the sexuality of any given character whose sexuality was never discussed in canon, and my personal favourite, the answer to the question "Does [x] sing in the shower?" [Raphael has kindly answered this one for me without it even having to be a headcanon. Thank you based Raph]

[Warhorse]

I guess I should know, but don't.

What is headcannon?

Stuff within a franchise or characters of that franchise fans have over the years believed to be canon, but in reality, nothing official is said about it. I find this a good thing though, because it means the characters of a franchise have grown a life all of their own.

Like for instance, it's assumed that the Turtles can speak, read and understand Japanese considering who their master is, but there really hasn't been anything hard core official, except maybe for Donatello in the 2k3 show.

In the nick show, I'm having it in my head that Leonardo might actually have a side hobby of entomology (he seems to know quite a bit about bugs) but nothing concrete.

[Netkeeper]

Like for instance, it's assumed that the Turtles can speak, read and understand Japanese considering who their master is, but there really hasn't been anything hard core official, except maybe for Donatello in the 2k3 show.
OH. OH. I love this headcanon though. I actually take it a step further and assume all the episodes that take place in Japan feature all the characters just speaking Japanese (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TranslationConvention).

[Commenter 42]

http://i.imgur.com/q2Brv6x.jpg


Lol..that picture is exactly what I'd pictured, in my head.

did I head cannon head cannon?

Guess I'm still confused.

Is it meant to be, like, Batman is secretly with Robin in the 1966 series, but has the facade that he's a ladies man? It's implied that they are straight men in the show, but it's also implied they may not be, and many fans have assumed the latter?

[ssjup81]

Lol..that picture is exactly what I'd pictured, in my head.

did I head cannon head cannon?

Guess I'm still confused.

Is it meant to be, like, Batman is secretly with Robin in the 1966 series, but has the facade that he's a ladies man? It's implied that they are straight men in the show, but it's also implied they may not be, and many fans have assumed the latter?I think head canon is like when someone thinks something is official in their own head when the source material says otherwise and insist on its being true.

I guess an example of that can be the Harry Potter stuff. Adamant Harry x Hermione shippers insisted that she divorces Ron and gets with Harry and actually believe it unlike others who just preferred other pairings with these characters, but know that it's not official. I guess that's normal head canon. lol

[Netkeeper]

Lol..that picture is exactly what I'd pictured, in my head.

did I head cannon head cannon?

Guess I'm still confused.

Is it meant to be, like, Batman is secretly with Robin in the 1966 series, but has the facade that he's a ladies man? It's implied that they are straight men in the show, but it's also implied they may not be, and many fans have assumed the latter?
No, you got it correct, but it's only spelt with one N. While I don't know much about the 1966 series, I'm going to assume there probably are fans that assume the latter. You can always assume there's SOMEBODY out there that thinks it. :V

I think head canon is like when someone thinks something is official in their own head when the source material says otherwise and insist on its being true.

I guess an example of that can be the Harry Potter stuff. Adamant Harry x Hermione shippers insisted that she divorces Ron and gets with Harry and actually believe it unlike others who just preferred other pairings with these characters, but know that it's not official. I guess that's normal head canon. lol
NO. That is the exact opposite of what headcanon is. Headcanon is stuff that could be worked into canon or be used to explain something in canon, but never contradicts it.

[IndigoErth]

NO. That is the exact opposite of what headcanon is. Headcanon is stuff that could be worked into canon or be used to explain something in canon, but never contradicts it.
So basically it's like ideas that are reasonable suggestions that haven't been picked up on?

I'd been thinking it covered the entirety of fanfiction/art in general... no?

[Davetello]

Oh sweet summer child, let me introduce you to something known as Rule 34. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule+34)

You could very easily be the target demographic for this segment of subculture if you wanted to be.

Well thanks - you learn something new every day :)

[Warhorse]

I think head canon is like when someone thinks something is official in their own head when the source material says otherwise and insist on its being true.

I guess an example of that can be the Harry Potter stuff. Adamant Harry x Hermione shippers insisted that she divorces Ron and gets with Harry and actually believe it unlike others who just preferred other pairings with these characters, but know that it's not official. I guess that's normal head canon. lol

Funny thing, now after a few years, didn't Rowlings come out and say she now believes she has made a mistake about the whole Hermione/Ron and not having Hermione get with Harry in the end?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/02/showbiz/rowling-hermione-ron-revelation/

Honestly, I cared less about the Hermione getting with Ron or not. However, I wasn't too pleased with Harry getting with Ginny. I just didn't like how everything in the end tied in with the Weasley's. I would have preferred it more if it was Luna/Harry. But oh well, what can one do.

[Netkeeper]

So basically it's like ideas that are reasonable suggestions that haven't been picked up on?

I'd been thinking it covered the entirety of fanfiction/art in general... no?
Not... entirely? Fanwork can get into very non-canon territory, like AUs, and all kinds of way-off-base stuff. Headcanon is just parts of someone's interpretation of a character that doesn't have to be contained within a fanwork context.

Not sure how you guys aren't getting that. It's a really simple concept.

[Warhorse]

I have a headcanon where Splinter, deep down, is terrified of Raphael, and what his berserk rage might do one day to his brothers, or even himself, because there will be that one day where Raph's shear strength will overpower him.

[Commenter 42]

Not... entirely? Fanwork can get into very non-canon territory, like AUs, and all kinds of way-off-base stuff. Headcanon is just parts of someone's interpretation of a character that doesn't have to be contained within a fanwork context.

Not sure how you guys aren't getting that. It's a really simple concept.

Okay, we're all learning here, so please...

What's an AU? lol...just for fun, lets use whole words so the elderly like me don't get lost.

[The Big Bad]

"Alternate Universe"--like a fanfic where the turtles are human or students in high school or whatnot. The story draws from the characters and relationships in the original work, but is not based on its canon.

And now I'm suddenly worried. It's also like if you really want to make a good fan fic then you would need stop watching the show all to together. Just for clarification, how is the love triangle sexist and what would you do to fix it?

Sorry for the late response to this; I am working on it, and you will get an answer either here or via PM.

[IndigoErth]

Not sure how you guys aren't getting that. It's a really simple concept.
Thanks. :) Sorry... it's not really something I've engaged in much for anything. And then younger folks have come up with words for this stuff some older-ish ones don't get. lol

In my day we didn't have words for these things, and walked 10 miles to school in the snow. :goof:

[Commenter 42]

Thanks. :) Sorry... it's not really something I've engaged in much for anything. And then younger folks have come up with words for this stuff some older-ish ones don't get. lol

In my day we didn't have words for these things, and walked 10 miles to school in the snow. :goof:

Uphill, both ways.

[Warhorse]

So, there are a couple of conceited views about the TMNT being a primarily a show dominated by mostly males watching it. Today, I went over to my cousins house to watch the China Town Ghost Story on Nick, and my cousin noticed that pretty much nearly every single commercial, if it wasn't Nick itself promoting it's shows, were mostly about girl toys. Is it possible that the marketing has shifted from trying to showcase boy action figures and now is testing the waters to see how advertising to a more female audience might work out? Or maybe it was just the area I was in.

[DarkFell]

In my day we didn't have words for these things, and walked 10 miles to school in the snow. :goof:

Uphill, both ways.

As for that old fart saying of having to walk to school 10 miles in the snow uphill both ways, my father asked a insightful question to that saying that I figured I would share here:

"How in the hell can someone walk uphill in both ways?" ;p

[Netkeeper]

Thanks. :) Sorry... it's not really something I've engaged in much for anything. And then younger folks have come up with words for this stuff some older-ish ones don't get. lol

In my day we didn't have words for these things, and walked 10 miles to school in the snow. :goof:
Hey, you're 35, you're not old at all! You're still in your prime, enjoy yourself.

[Says the guy that doesn't even call his 63 year old mother old]

[IndigoErth]

Hey, you're 35, you're not old at all! You're still in your prime, enjoy yourself.

[Says the guy that doesn't even call his 63 year old mother old]
Why thank you... lol

"How in the hell can someone walk uphill in both ways?" ;p
Hmm... maybe you walk up it and then down into a valley the school sits at the bottom of. :)

[Netkeeper]

Take different routes to and from. Both uphill.

[Davetello]

Yeah 35 is really, really old...if you're a 12 year old.

[Commenter 42]

"How in the hell can someone walk uphill in both ways?" ;p

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[DarkFell]

0d6liksuTVU
Okay, now that is epic. Thanks for sharing.

[Commenter 42]

Okay, now that is epic. Thanks for sharing.

Anytime!
:)

[Davetello]

Was reading through this thread again. LOL at one of the tags: "cybercubed the homophobe" :lol:

Personally, I am very fond of ole CyberCubed. He's a man's man.

[aliena]

Wow, I just sat here and read through this thread in one sitting. So many things to comment on.

I think I like the shipping on this show since it's new to the TMNT universe. I remember searching for Turtle spoilers on the new movie and seeing someone talking about April and Donnie having a romance. I had to check it out and find out what they were talking about. I figured it was going to be fanfiction or something, but when I learned it was on the new animated show I had to see it for myself in order to believe it.

Then I find out that Leo has a crush too and I had to find out where and how this was taking place. That is what led me to this show. So, I guess you could say shipping is what led me to renew my obsession with these particular turtles.

As for the T-cest. I just found out about it a mere few months ago. I had no clue that it existed. At first I was shocked by it, and I'm not easily shocked by anything, but then it sort of made sense to me.

It seems there are two kinds of T-cest ideas(that I personally saw), one where the guys truly are in love and have a romantic relationship and one where they are just horny and have no one else to have sex with.

There was one example in particular that I found extremely humorous...Where Raph and Leo are going to have sex and they are fighting over who was going to be "on top" that go round. I had to laugh because it was typical of them to argue and fight over everything and even that turned into an incident. That particular episode of T-Cest was apparently a non romantic one.:P

I've heard some fans say that no romance is the best policy for the guys, but honestly, would any Joe Henry go without romance, love or sex their whole lives? Would training, fighting bad guys and hanging out with your family be enough?

I think about Raph in this series and it appears that he has accepted the fact that he will never fall in love or have a girlfriend and neither will his brothers even though they are having a tougher time accepting that idea. Raph seems more than content to spar, fight, eat and do other things he considers fun. It's almost as if he does that to keep his mind off of the reality of the situation, which is why I personally want him to get a love interest. I want to see how he deals with it when he's the one who likes a girl.

While I'm not into the T-Cest scene myself, I could easily see it coming to that since they are isolated and they do not have constant access to girls. I could see it sort of slowly becoming something sexual during an innocent thing, like bathing or sleeping together, and they do truly share profound love for each other as brothers and fellow mutants.

However, if girls ever did start to show up in their lives, they might decide that is the route they'd rather go. But then we have the whole Human/Mutant, or more aptly named bestiality theme to deal with. Then there is the whole Leo and Karai being related as well, even though they are not related by blood, people are still thinking it's wrong.

No matter how you go, there is some controversy to any of them getting some loving. Except when they are with other animal mutants. That might be considered acceptable. No matter what, in the end, I just want the guys to be happy, they deserve to love and be loved no matter what capacity they find it in.

Whew! Sorry this is so long, I guess it's something I've never discussed before and now it's all just coming out of me.

[Amaranthus]

Why are people saying Leo and Karai are not related?
The turtles touched Splinter before they got mutated. They must have at least a little of his DNA.

[pennydreadful]

Good post, aliena - I enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the different types of shipping within the fandom. :)