You think Shredder might come after Donnie?

[Bitsy83]

This has been on my mind a lot since "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman." Remember how when Stockman kidnapped April, she told him that Donnie had made retromutagen and could make him a batch to turn him back to normal? I wonder if he shared that information with Shredder?

I know the Shredder thinks that the Kraang will turn Karai back to normal, but I highly doubt that's high on their "To-Do List." Like Tiger Claw said, they care nothing about humans and could really care less if a few get mutated here and there. Heck, how do we know they weren't already mutating people before that whole shipment got spilled all over New York?

So, who's to say they're going to keep their end of the bargain and help Karai? They've pretty much taken over New York, so I doubt even Shredder and his clan could face them.

Shredder may discover that Donnie has successfully created a retromutagen from Stockman or one of his allies and organizes a kidnapping once they track down the Turtles. He either gets the Kraang to help him or maybe Tiger Claw (since he's a hunter and all) and gets Donnie, bringing him back to New York. This would also be a great way for the Turtles to decide to go back to New York to save Donnie.

Also, let's say that before this happens, Donnie finally tells April how he feels and she...doesn't return the affections (We still don't know if those storyboards are real or not). This crushes Donnie's spirit and he goes off into the woods to be alone, only to be captured by Kraang or Tiger Claw and taken back to New York via portal. And, maybe while Donnie's captive, Shredder figures out that he has feelings for April and he's going through his own love triangle like the one he went through with Teng Shen. Maybe he tries to tempt him to the dark side? Hey, Leo was with the Foot in the comics for awhile and didn't Raph become Shredder at one point? Why not have Donnie sort of see a kindred spirit in Shredder? (Or at least make him believe that while he backstabs him or whatever.)

I'm sure this won't happen, but I do have a feeling that eventually, Donnie's knowledge of retromutegen will attract some negative outcomes, whether from the Kraang, Shredder....or maybe the Earth Protection Force?

[Ashwolf]

would be wicked if that happened as a outcome on shredder trying to get Donnie on his side

I pretty much thought the same thing after he finished making the retromutagen and its bound to happen somewhere along the line, stockman was just the beginning of it

[ssjup81]

I mentioned that it would be nice if everyone is after Donnie for retromutagen.

I wouldn't want Donnie to join Shredder for a reason that petty though.

[Luckyday]

This has been on my mind a lot since "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman." Remember how when Stockman kidnapped April, she told him that Donnie had made retromutagen and could make him a batch to turn him back to normal? I wonder if he shared that information with Shredder?

I know the Shredder thinks that the Kraang will turn Karai back to normal, but I highly doubt that's high on their "To-Do List." Like Tiger Claw said, they care nothing about humans and could really care less if a few get mutated here and there. Heck, how do we know they weren't already mutating people before that whole shipment got spilled all over New York?

So, who's to say they're going to keep their end of the bargain and help Karai? They've pretty much taken over New York, so I doubt even Shredder and his clan could face them.

Shredder may discover that Donnie has successfully created a retromutagen from Stockman or one of his allies and organizes a kidnapping once they track down the Turtles. He either gets the Kraang to help him or maybe Tiger Claw (since he's a hunter and all) and gets Donnie, bringing him back to New York. This would also be a great way for the Turtles to decide to go back to New York to save Donnie.

Also, let's say that before this happens, Donnie finally tells April how he feels and she...doesn't return the affections (We still don't know if those storyboards are real or not). This crushes Donnie's spirit and he goes off into the woods to be alone, only to be captured by Kraang or Tiger Claw and taken back to New York via portal. And, maybe while Donnie's captive, Shredder figures out that he has feelings for April and he's going through his own love triangle like the one he went through with Teng Shen. Maybe he tries to tempt him to the dark side? Hey, Leo was with the Foot in the comics for awhile and didn't Raph become Shredder at one point? Why not have Donnie sort of see a kindred spirit in Shredder? (Or at least make him believe that while he backstabs him or whatever.)

I'm sure this won't happen, but I do have a feeling that eventually, Donnie's knowledge of retromutegen will attract some negative outcomes, whether from the Kraang, Shredder....or maybe the Earth Protection Force?

You had me until you said "dark side".

[IndigoErth]

I could see them having great interest in getting a hold of him, though I couldn't really see Donnie being persuaded if they tried to tempt him to join them willingly. I'm only loosely aware of the Leo story, though I believe there was brainwashing involved(?), I'm sure that would have to be the case with Donnie as well, he's too smart and good spirited otherwise.

One catch also however... Did Donnie use April's DNA in the actual creation of the retromutagen? They might have to be after her too in that case. Although if they succeeded they could use her as leverage to make him cooperate.

[victory_angel]

Yes, the retromutagen does paint a big red target on Donnie's shell. I don't see Donnie turning to the Shredder's cause willingly. I mean yeah Shredder could maybe see or learn about Donnie's feelings for April and April supposedly having feelings for Casey. So Shredder could try and entice Donnie's jealousy, but Donnie is a better person then that.

And even if Donnie does fall for it, he knows the Shredder can't be trusted. So he could make retromutagen, but fail to add the key ingredient, April's DNA

and obviously Shredder would want to test it out. So maybe Shredder tests it on Fishface turning him into Armagon. He's short sighted enough to test it on Donnie, but yet if he does that he doesn't have anyone to make the Retromutagen unless he has stockman take notes.

[Electric]

I'm all for this. I know it's another Donnie centered plot so people will complain, but I'm a Donnie fan, so I say go for it :D

As far as a dark turtle, it'd be cool to see dark Donnie, but I think it'd have to be more of a mind control brainwashing thing rather than shredder persuading him. Would be interesting though, as opposed to having dark Leo who's a threat physically, I could see dark Donnie building all these weapons and droids for shredder, and using them against his brothers

[victory_angel]

I'm all for this. I know it's another Donnie centered plot so people will complain, but I'm a Donnie fan, so I say go for it :D

As far as a dark turtle, it'd be cool to see dark Donnie, but I think it'd have to be more of a mind control brainwashing thing rather than shredder persuading him. Would be interesting though, as opposed to having dark Leo who's a threat physically, I could see dark Donnie building all these weapons and droids for shredder, and using them against his brothers

But I think at the same time, Donnie's feelings for April will be strong enough to withstand the brainwashing device. After all love is often viewed as a powerful emotion, and there are stories where someone is brainwashed to follow an enemy, but they are brought back by the strength of the love he/she has for their love interest. So brainwashed or not, he would conveniently forget to add April's DNA as art of the Retromutagen thing.

[Shark_Blade]

Ah, instead of going for Leo, Shredder going for Donnie? How refreshing. :)

[ssjup81]

I still wonder though if he can even use his normal retromutagen on perfected mutagen. Would he have to use perfected mutagen to create a retromutagen for the current set of Kraang mutants?

[Shark_Blade]

And he can't easily cure Karai since her mutagen batch was "tainted" by Baxter Stockman.

[BubblyShell22]

Hmm, that's an interesting concept. I don't know if this will happen in the future, but I don't know if Shredder will do that right away. He might wait and see if the Kraang help him first, and if they don't, then he could always kidnap Donnie and force him to make it.

[IndigoErth]

I still wonder though if he can even use his normal retromutagen on perfected mutagen. Would he have to use perfected mutagen to create a retromutagen for the current set of Kraang mutants?
Good point, and it took quite a while for him to get it worked out the first time. Would April's DNA even be viable for use in it...

[blindturtle02]

I'd love to see this. You don't really see a lot of Shredder/Donnie interaction. I'd watch this arc if we got it.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, me, too. I think it would be awesome.

[Bitsy83]

You had me until you said "dark side".

Too "Star Wars?" :tlol: Yeah, maybe the whole "join the foot" might be pushing it a bit, but I do really think that if Shredder finds out that Donnie had feelings for April that he might try to use that as leverage against him since he understands how that feels; to have a "friend" steal the woman of your dreams. Also, he could mess with Donnie's head and try to tell him that the world will never accept him as a hero and to stop trying to fight with Hamato Yoshi. That in order to achieve anything in this world, you have to be strong and not give in to your emotions or let compassion weaken you, blah blah blah. I'm not saying that Shredder sees HIMSELF as a villain (the best villains never do), but it's obvious that love and mercy mean nothing to this dude.

But I wouldn't say Donnie was TEMPTED to join the Foot clan out of spite or revenge or whatever, but he may see an opportunity to set things right. If Shredder thought that Donnie would be crushed enough to give up on his family and turn to the Foot, Donnie could take this as an opportunity to become a sort of secret double agent. Splinter said in one episode that one of a ninja's best weapons is deception, so maybe if the offer were on the table and Donnie makes Shredder think that he's willing to join the Foot, he'd be able to not only take out the Foot, but the Kraang as well. He'd be able to have closer access to their plans and throw a monkey wrench in the works, so to speak. In order to do this, however, he'd have to go against his brothers and convince THEM he's joined the Foot as well.

Another angle they could go would be just to get Donnie and threaten to torture him or whatever until he makes the retromutagen. Or maybe use a Kraang device to either search his mind for the answer (hey, if they can switch bodies with people...).

Then once the retromutagen is in Shredder's hands....

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1338200&postcount=61

I thought I was going through Deja Vu.

BTW, does anyone know how to do multiple quotes in a thread? There were other posts I wanted to address, but I didn't know how.

[blindturtle02]

Cool, Bitsy. Ciro and crew have already said that they like-- um, that character you mentioned. It was in the Comic-Con 2014 panel. So I could see that happening. That'd make one terrific arc. I say it's only a matter of time until we get that particular duo one way or another. Heck, we got one out of the two already.

[Warhorse]

Ah, instead of going for Leo, Shredder going for Donnie? How refreshing. :)

This I don't mind. It's nice to see the Shredder arcs being exclusive to Leonardo not be tradition much longer.

[Luckyday]

Too "Star Wars?" :tlol: Yeah, maybe the whole "join the foot" might be pushing it a bit, but I do really think that if Shredder finds out that Donnie had feelings for April that he might try to use that as leverage against him since he understands how that feels; to have a "friend" steal the woman of your dreams. Also, he could mess with Donnie's head and try to tell him that the world will never accept him as a hero and to stop trying to fight with Hamato Yoshi. That in order to achieve anything in this world, you have to be strong and not give in to your emotions or let compassion weaken you, blah blah blah. I'm not saying that Shredder sees HIMSELF as a villain (the best villains never do), but it's obvious that love and mercy mean nothing to this dude.

But I wouldn't say Donnie was TEMPTED to join the Foot clan out of spite or revenge or whatever, but he may see an opportunity to set things right. If Shredder thought that Donnie would be crushed enough to give up on his family and turn to the Foot, Donnie could take this as an opportunity to become a sort of secret double agent. Splinter said in one episode that one of a ninja's best weapons is deception, so maybe if the offer were on the table and Donnie makes Shredder think that he's willing to join the Foot, he'd be able to not only take out the Foot, but the Kraang as well. He'd be able to have closer access to their plans and throw a monkey wrench in the works, so to speak. In order to do this, however, he'd have to go against his brothers and convince THEM he's joined the Foot as well.

Another angle they could go would be just to get Donnie and threaten to torture him or whatever until he makes the retromutagen. Or maybe use a Kraang device to either search his mind for the answer (hey, if they can switch bodies with people...).

Then once the retromutagen is in Shredder's hands....

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1338200&postcount=61

I thought I was going through Deja Vu.

BTW, does anyone know how to do multiple quotes in a thread? There were other posts I wanted to address, but I didn't know how.

A spy or being torture makes way more sense then for him to betray his own family over a girl. I swear it would've been Humongous Fungus all over again.

[IndigoErth]

Can agree, wouldn't mind seeing the others have their own storylines with Shredder.

Unless I've forgotten something, I don't even get what this Shredder's deal is with Leo in the first place. Or is it simply that it is, as you mentioned, Warhorse, 'tradition'? I mean, he was so dead set on nearly destroying Leo in the finale, and then when the rest of them are right there on the other side of the bars and Raph is about to explode, Shredder's just "meh" and walks away. :-? Come on, you're Shredder, you kinda hate all of them and those bars probably aren't much of a barrier for you?

The rest need their own personal vendettas on him after recent events.

[Warhorse]

Can agree, wouldn't mind seeing the others have their own storylines with Shredder.

Unless I've forgotten something, I don't even get what this Shredder's deal is with Leo in the first place. Or is it simply that it is, as you mentioned, Warhorse, 'tradition'? I mean, he was so dead set on nearly destroying Leo in the finale, and then when the rest of them are right there on the other side of the bars and Raph is about to explode, Shredder's just "meh" and walks away. :-? Come on, you're Shredder, you kinda hate all of them and those bars probably aren't much of a barrier for you?

The rest need their own personal vendettas on him after recent events.

Well, with Shredder going after Leo, I took it as, that he knows Leo is Splinter's prized pupil, and more than likely, his favorite son. Shredder could probably see it in the way Leo fights compared to the other brothers. He's practically a Splinter jr. Then, it's also the fact that he is the leader of the group. It's a military tactic, get rid of the leader, creates chaos and confusion for the rest of the group.

[ssjup81]

Well, with Shredder going after Leo, I took it as, that he knows Leo is Splinter's prized pupil, and more than likely, his favorite son. Shredder could probably see it in the way Leo fights compared to the other brothers. He's practically a Splinter jr. Then, it's also the fact that he is the leader of the group. It's a military tactic, get rid of the leader, creates chaos and confusion for the rest of the group.And going after him also caused Karai to fall into the vat of mutagen and since Shredder doesn't believe in personal responsibility, he blames Splinter and Leo.

[travelingcat]

Don't forget that it was through Leo's persistence that Karai finally accepted the truth of her real father and completely rejected the Shredder. He probably also got a hint of Karai liking Leo since he knew she let him get away back in 'New Girl In Town'. Little wonder why he wanted Leo to suffer during the invasion.

[BubblyShell22]

Yep, he probably blames Splinter and Leo for that one, and I do think he suspected that Leo and Karai liked each other. Revenge is this guy's main goal, and by hurting both Leo and Splinter, he's torn the team apart. He even said to Splinter, "I took him like I took your daughter before him."

[TonySiegel]

I can picture a dark raphael storyline... but imagine a dark donatello story!

:o

[IndigoErth]

I can picture a dark raphael storyline... but imagine a dark donatello story!
Would prefer to see that version done, could be an interesting take on it as opposed to a more expected/predictable Leo or Raph version. And given that this show seems to like to take the basis of existing things and put their own twist on it, could work well here and be fun to see.

[TonySiegel]

Would prefer to see that version done, could be an interesting take on it as opposed to a more expected/predictable Leo or Raph version. And given that this show seems to like to take the basis of existing things and put their own twist on it, could work well here and be fun to see.

Dark Donnatello® as a mad scientist/ninja? creating mutants à la Dr. Frankenstein for Shredder? hmmm.... :teek:

http://www.strangekidsclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/TMNT-Frankenstein-Michelangelo-3-300x224.jpeg

[not donatello but you get what i'm saying... make it happen nickelodeon!]

[Ashwolf]

I think it would be wicked if don ended up w/ 1 of those kraang mind control devices on him then got secondary mutated

[shredder orokusaki]

I have Baxter Stockman i dont need Donnie.

[blindturtle02]

I think it would be wicked if don ended up w/ 1 of those kraang mind control devices on him then got secondary mutated

Yeah, there ya go. Ciro did say things are going to get a lot darker. Since we got blown away by the finale, I'm sure there's more to come on that front.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, I'd love to see a dark Donnie storyline, but he's already been mutated before. I'd rather see either Leo get mutated due to Donnie giving him mutagen medicine or possibly Mikey since I don't think that's been done before.

[blindturtle02]

Well, I'd love to see a dark Donnie storyline, but he's already been mutated before. I'd rather see either Leo get mutated due to Donnie giving him mutagen medicine or possibly Mikey since I don't think that's been done before.

Now Leo mutating due to the meds might be interesting. I don't really have a good feeling about this mutagen medicine anyway. Can't wait to hopefully get a few lines explaining the science behind it.

[Jephael]

I've seen some wicked fan art of Mikey and April as Foot minions. I'd kinda like to see that happen.

[Ashwolf]

Now Leo mutating due to the meds might be interesting. I don't really have a good feeling about this mutagen medicine anyway. Can't wait to hopefully get a few lines explaining the science behind it.

yeah, I really feel like its a possibility that's gonna happen at some point

no matter which 1 it happens to, gonna be so psyched if the mind control-secondary mutation combo happens

[BubblyShell22]

Now Leo mutating due to the meds might be interesting. I don't really have a good feeling about this mutagen medicine anyway. Can't wait to hopefully get a few lines explaining the science behind it.

Yeah, I'm interested to learn about how Donnie knew how to make medicine out of it, though I'm sure he's bound to know it's going to have flaws. After all, it does eventually create The Creep.

[Luckyday]

Yeah, I'm interested to learn about how Donnie knew how to make medicine out of it, though I'm sure he's bound to know it's going to have flaws. After all, it does eventually create The Creep.

He must have test it first or else it would been OOC if he didn't.

[blindturtle02]

He must have test it first or else it would been OOC if he didn't.

I wonder how he's doing all this without his tech. You'd think he'd need to analyze some cell samples and all that. Bet he misses his lab.

[BubblyShell22]

Oh, I have no doubt he tested it, but even then, it still could have side effects no one knows about.