Do you think Raph will get a love interest?

[Mugic]

So far we have DonXApiral, LeoxKarai(ish), and with Renet is appearing soon, possibly MikeyxRenet which would leave Raph as the only turtle in the group without love interest.

Do you think Raph will ever love interest and if so who do you think it'll be?

[Gunpowder]

Oh God, your signature...
http://i62.tinypic.com/qp5mkn.jpg

I don't think he necessarily needs one, but it'd be interesting to see. Though I'd prefer he didn't. It would only work if it was similar to what Leo and Karai had going: a tease. Not taken too far like Donnie and April.

[ssjup81]

Who knows at this point, but I'm hoping he doesn't. I like his reactions to his brothers. lol

Yeah, man that sig. I didn't even know if the existance of that game until I saw Game Theory. lol

[IndigoErth]

Hard to say, good chance maybe it would happen eventually, seeing as how Mikey will next be getting a lady to crush on.


If he does, I'd really love for it to be Mona Lisa. In terms of franchise, would be adorable to see her turn up in his life again after all these years.

They don't even need to have him crushing on her if they don't want, I'd be just fine if they left it to her having affections for him and poking at him sometimes and trying to cozy up to him because of it... then watch him try to tolerate her affections. lol I know it makes her just another girl marked as a love interest, but at least doing it like that would be from her angle, being the chaser rather than seeing it from the Turtle side.

[BabyTurtles]

Don't know.....but I hope he doesn't.

[Mellie]

Please god, no more love interests. :-? I hope Raph doesn't. I hope Mikey doesn't go full Donnie-mode with Renet either..

How about just a female friend? Since Casey is bonding with Donnie, Raph needs a new person to go all vigilante with.

I chose no one, but if one was to show up I hope it's Mona Lisa.

[Chabrendeki]

I always loved the idea, that only the "cool but rude" Raph gets a real girlfriend (in TMNTA)...

I would like something similar in the series too: all turtles have crushes, but only Raph has a girlfriend... (and perhaps with the portraying, that he shows publicly very little how much he loves her)

That could build up to a lot of confrontations between the turtles, wich would be interesting.

But' just IMHO.

[Refractive Reflections]

As for Nick Raphael getting a potential love interest, I commented that it seems a likely possibility on another thread:

As for Renet being a potential love interest for Mikey, meh... it seemed overdue considering how inclined the show is toward forming, and especially reinforcing, their romantic crushes. With Mikey, Leo, and Donnie all having their crushes, it seems like only a matter of time now before Mona Lisa or Ninjara shows up for Raph. Considering the sizable following of those two (Mona Lisa and Ninjara), I'm sure somewhere at Nick, someone is advocating for their inclusion into the Nick show to boost sales and/or popularity of the franchise in its current state.

If it was any other TMNT show or universe, I would be more welcome to the idea, but this Nick series has handled crushes and romantic interests poorly that never seem to go anywhere (i.e. the Donnie-April-Casey love triangle), then again it is a kids' show, so not much romantic depth is expected here, or is frankly just creepy at times (i.e. the bizarre incestuous crush between Leo and Karai, plus Donnie's "stalker"ish behavior toward April at times).

[victory_angel]

I think if all the other guys are going to have love interests or female friends then it's only fair that Raph have one too.

April is warming up to Donnie, though I still stand by her being more endeared to him when he's acting as himself as her friend. Not when he's trying to impress her.

Karai and Leo...I don't see that relationship going very far. I mean yeah they are technically not related. But I don't see them going beyond love interests.

Mikey and Renette might be cute. I see that more as a loved doomed from the start, they love each other but due to her being a guardian of time and Mikey being a Ninja turtle, they can never truly be together. But at the same time she can always return to the moments of time where they existed and still be with them. So in a way they are also together for eternity.

Mona Lisa I would like to see return as a love interest for Raph, but with this story it would make sense for her to be April's mother. I mean yeah one of the reasons is the original voice of Mona Lisa was April's mother in a very literal sense. And it would be awesome to have Pat Musick reprise her role.
We know April's mother is supposedly out there somewhere. And it would make sense that April's mother hasn't been seen yet because she is a yet to be seen mutant.

Ninjara and Mezcaal have only been Archie Comic book Characters so far and the producers do look to the Mirage, Archie Comics, and OT series more then the 2k3 series and IDW.

But April, Karai, and Renet are human and humanish (Human in appearance only) characters. So yes it makes sense that Joi joins the team, after all we don't know Joi long enough for her to have much development in the 2k3 so she's blank slate enough to be an all new character.

With her I can see her being similar to Donnie's crush on April, however it's Joi who has feelings for Raph (i.e. She likes him and wants to be with him. But Raph just thinks of her as a friend who happens to be female), and much like Leo and Karai both Joi and Raph have a flirtatious way of fighting each other. And like Mikey it's a relationship that is more or less doomed from the start. Because after all she's a girl and he's a mutant turtle. What sort of life can they possibly have together.

However Joi in a way can become Ninjara or Alopex or maybe Venus (Not counting on it). I mean all three female love interests are not human or not currently human. April is a half human/half Kraang mutant. Karai is a mutant currently and will eventually be restored to human. Renet is a teenage girl from another dimension. So perhaps Joi much like Karai is mutated but she is more secure with herself in that form.

[jenna]

I hope not. I don't watch TMNT for romance. I watch it for fascinating characters and butt-kicking martial arts. Please.... no more love interests......

[drgon78]

You forgot to add Casey to that list.:lol:But seriously I wouldn't mind if he did, at least he would go through what Leo and Donnie have and maybe become less judgmental about other turtles' relationships.

[Shark_Blade]

None. I prefer him loner.

Alternate: I kinda wanna see Mona Lisa.


No Alopex, I don't want him to **** a hairy butt.

You forgot to add Casey to that list.:lol:My fanfic comic is Raph x Casey so :tlol: it sort of just happened by itself.

But yeah I'm down with that, though Raph seems kinda cold towards him in the show. Who could blame him, Casey mainly just goes and smother April all the time.

[Slade]

Had to vote no on this one.

[Mukouno]

Please no more, the love triangle and Leo/Karai should have been enough romance for a show that doesn't (shouldn't) focus on that...
Don't get me wrong, I'm aware that nowadays love seems to be a MUST in almost every show and I'm fine with that, but we have more than enough of this. And with Renet coming...
Make it stop, I came here for the turtles, not some cheesy, poorly written romance...

[snake]

No one. I don't like love interests.

[Teddy]

Not gonna lie...I would be absolutely ecstatic if they brought Ninjara into the show. :tgrin:

I have no problem with the turtles having love interests. It's a normal part of life and being a teenager. So, why not?

[IndigoErth]

I have to admit though, it would be sorta fun to see him wrestle with feelings that he might fear would make his brothers and others think he's loosing his 'tough guy' edge. lol

[drgon78]

IndigoErth, looks like you found the reason for the "dark Raph" event.:lol:

[Jephael]

I'll be honest, I was gonna vote Mona Lisa, but then I thought it might be nice to see him intertwined with an original character. It'd be a neat way to set him apart from his bros who've all been smitten with characters that already exist in older incarnations.

[Xiewin]

I always wanted Raph to have a love interest in the show, so yeah I wouldn't mind it to much.

[Warhorse]

I liked Joi, but love Mona Lisa. But guess what. Why not have the best of both worlds. Joi shows up and over time, like Bradord, Karai and Baxter, she gets mutated into Mona Lisa!:D

Either that, or I like the idea of Mona Lisa not being a mutant, but an alien that is part of The Newtralizer's species.

And like others have said though, the chick in his life doesn't neccessarily have to be a love interest, just a strong gal pal for him to hang out with.

[Mukouno]

And like others have said though, the chick in his life doesn't neccessarily have to be a love interest, just a strong gal pal for him to hang out with.

Yeah, but the titel asked if he'll get a love interest and not just a female friend as a 'bro'.

[HotNunchuckFury]

I sincerely hope not. So sick of all the romance already. Make it stop!

[Coola Yagami]

Just make Raph gay and be done with it.

[IndigoErth]

I'm afraid the massive equal forces of outrage vs. utter euphoria that drives the creation of 100k more fan arts in a single night would cause the universe to tear apart.

[RedOnYellow]

I'm indifferent. I've like the Leo/Karai interaction, but the Donnie/April/Casey triangle is loathsome.

If I were to have to choose it'd be Mona Lisa, and it'd be HER doing the crushing on HIM. It'd be keeping along with the 87 show while also differing itself from the other romances.

That said, I'd want it to be subtle. Have her more of a friend to Raph who occasionally drops the rare hint (flirty dialogue, intruding on personal space, small stuff) and leave the relationship to be either resolved at the end of the series or teased.

I'm more wondering how they'd characterize Mona Lisa though. Her 87 version is definitely too soft for the Nick Raph. I'd imagine they'd make her a tad more fiery.

[Zatoichi]

Just make Raph gay and be done with it.

Agreed.

I would be happy if Ciro made Raph (Or Tiger Claw) gay.

[miru]

Just make Raph gay and be done with it.

I saw Raph as more of a virgin.

[IndigoErth]

Unless someone's had a secret significant other they aren't telling us about, I doubt he's alone in that. :trazz:

[Red-eyed Jaguar]

I'm indifferent. I've like the Leo/Karai interaction, but the Donnie/April/Casey triangle is loathsome.

If I were to have to choose it'd be Mona Lisa, and it'd be HER doing the crushing on HIM. It'd be keeping along with the 87 show while also differing itself from the other romances.

That said, I'd want it to be subtle. Have her more of a friend to Raph who occasionally drops the rare hint (flirty dialogue, intruding on personal space, small stuff) and leave the relationship to be either resolved at the end of the series or teased.

I'm more wondering how they'd characterize Mona Lisa though. Her 87 version is definitely too soft for the Nick Raph. I'd imagine they'd make her a tad more fiery.

I found myself agreeing here. ^^
..one part of me would like to see, how he'd react to it, the other part just say spare him all the trouble. We have already enough love in this show, alright.

[Luckyday]

I think the only way to make it work is to have a character that has a lot things going for her other then being a romantic love interest. Like she would have personal motivations and conflicts like Karai.

That also might be reason why April is in my opinion....not such a well written character. She has personal goals but most of the time, it's Donnie that actually pursuing it for April.

Then again, I suppose the personal conflict for her was breaking off from the Turtles but...but it didn't feel like a problem for her to figure it out or anything.
It just feels weak to me.

[FoxBoxKid]

Just make Raph gay and be done with it.

Raph/Slash slash?

[Warhorse]

Unless someone's had a secret significant other they aren't telling us about, I doubt he's alone in that. :trazz:

Well, I read a funny fanfic where the Turtles, April, Casey, Karai, Splinter and Kirby all get transported to a magical world where the fantastical exists, and they get approached by horsemen, and Mikey get excited when he realizes the riders aren't riding horses, but unicorns, and everyone could see the unicorns except for Splinter, Kirby, Donnie and April. It was kind of cute when Mikey kept on asking Donnie and April why they couldn't see the unicorns!:lol:

I think the only way to make it work is to have a character that has a lot things going for her other then being a romantic love interest. Like she would have personal motivations and conflicts like Karai.

That also might be reason why April is in my opinion....not such a well written character. She has personal goals but most of the time, it's Donnie that actually pursuing it for April.

Then again, I suppose the personal conflict for her was breaking off from the Turtles but...but it didn't feel like a problem for her to figure it out or anything.
It just feels weak to me.

I think the best approach would have Mona Lisa be part of the Newtralizer's race, and she goes against her people to save Earth, and comes to Earth to try and warn them about danger, and in turn, she gets outcast and hunted down by The Newtralizer for her efforts, and Raph gives her the support she needs.

[Chabrendeki]

and everyone could see the unicorns except for Splinter, Kirby, Donnie and April.

April? How old is she?

In place of Kirby I would be upset... "Whaaaat? You don't see any unicorns? We must talk about bees and flowers... NOW!"

:trolleye::D

[Luckyday]

I think the best approach would have Mona Lisa be part of the Newtralizer's race, and she goes against her people to save Earth, and comes to Earth to try and warn them about danger, and in turn, she gets outcast and hunted down by The Newtralizer for her efforts, and Raph gives her the support she needs.

That's already a better approach then her being Baxter Stockman's daughter.

[Metalwolf]

I think the best approach would have Mona Lisa be part of the Newtralizer's race, and she goes against her people to save Earth, and comes to Earth to try and warn them about danger, and in turn, she gets outcast and hunted down by The Newtralizer for her efforts, and Raph gives her the support she needs.That would be cool actually, I'd go 100% for that. Much better then her being a mutant, which was one reason I couldn't stand her before. :D

[BabyTurtles]

I think the best approach would have Mona Lisa be part of the Newtralizer's race, and she goes against her people to save Earth, and comes to Earth to try and warn them about danger, and in turn, she gets outcast and hunted down by The Newtralizer for her efforts, and Raph gives her the support she needs.

That'd be cool, but with the way the Newtralizer looks...I can't imagine Mona looking much better XD

but who needs a cute female alien/monster thing anyway! :D as long as she looks cool.

[Shark_Blade]

I'm not really impressed how the punk frogs and mondo gecko look like... (maybe they'll look better in motion?)

So if Mona Lisa is anything similar to Newtralizer, God help us all lmao.

[Sumac]

Mona Lisa I would like to see return as a love interest for Raph, but with this story it would make sense for her to be April's mother.
I can't imagine the awkwardness...:o
Bring it!!

But on a serious note: with the way Nick's TMNT handles relationships and characters, I doubt anything really good will come out of it. More like it will be used for a few aesops which would be promptly forgotten by the next episode, and some cheap laughs.

[Shark_Blade]

Actually Leo and Karai's relationship is pretty good. Not in your face, just teasing and currently it ends/put on hold rather tragically (in a good way).

[Luckyday]

I can't imagine the awkwardness...:o
Bring it!!

But on a serious note: with the way Nick's TMNT handles relationships and characters, I doubt anything really good will come out of it. More like it will be used for a few aesops which would be promptly forgotten by the next episode, and some cheap laughs.

Maybe instead of a crush, she can be a mother figure, but oh the oedipus complex that it will create.http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/2pys0vr.png

Well, I read a funny fanfic where the Turtles, April, Casey, Karai, Splinter and Kirby all get transported to a magical world where the fantastical exists, and they get approached by horsemen, and Mikey get excited when he realizes the riders aren't riding horses, but unicorns, and everyone could see the unicorns except for Splinter, Kirby, Donnie and April. It was kind of cute when Mikey kept on asking Donnie and April why they couldn't see the unicorns!:lol:



I think the best approach would have Mona Lisa be part of the Newtralizer's race, and she goes against her people to save Earth, and comes to Earth to try and warn them about danger, and in turn, she gets outcast and hunted down by The Newtralizer for her efforts, and Raph gives her the support she needs.

Or maybe Mona Lisa is actual April's mother, who carefully mutated herself to survive Dimension X's atmosphere and blend in with the Newtralizer's race so that she can hide herself from the Kraang. Maybe she even started a grass root movement within Newtralizer's race and the Triceratons by making the public believe that their ancient ancestors were dinosaurs that were abducted from Earth, and thus motivating them to fight against the Kraang for their home planet. However, doing so had unintentionally made them want to invade the planet for themselves which is why she wants to go to Earth and warn them about the upcoming invasion.

[Mugic]

I didn't expect Mona Lisa to get more votes than Ninjara, she's that popular?

[Shark_Blade]

Mona Lisa appeared on tv so it made sense she's more popular. Whereas Ninjara... I've only seen her in that absurd porn parody comic some ex-official tmnt artist did (stumbled on it on this forum). She's pretty much unknown.

[ssjup81]

Mona Lisa appeared on tv so it made sense she's more popular. Whereas Ninjara... I've only seen her in that absurd porn parody comic some ex-official tmnt artist did (stumbled on it on this forum). She's pretty much unknown.Yeah, unless you read the Archie comics, most probably don't know of Ninjara. I know I didn't until I read it later on. Mona Lisa I always knew because of the show and how I really liked the character.

For this poll, however, I didn't pick, but I feel that for this incarnation, Ninjara would fit in better.

[WhitefinDolphin]

Raph getting a love interest? ...What are we, Winx Club?

In all seriousness though, I think we've got enough love interest material in the show already. I don't think we need too much more drama than there already is. However, even if Nickelodeon decides to make a love interest for ALL the ninja turtles, I'm still gonna like the show. It won't be the end of the world for most fans. :)

[TigerClaw]

Mona Lisa appeared on tv so it made sense she's more popular. Whereas Ninjara... I've only seen her in that absurd porn parody comic some ex-official tmnt artist did (stumbled on it on this forum). She's pretty much unknown.
The only problem is, Mona Lisa only appeared on one Episode and has an action figure, While Ninjara appeared on many issues of the Archies Series comics, But never appeared on TV nor got an action figure.

And Raph actually had a 3rd love Interest. There was a 5 part story in the Archies Series comics, That took place in the future, And Future Raph had a girlfriend name Mezcaal, a Mutant Coyote.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131110075344/tmnt/images/3/32/Mezz.jpg

[IndigoErth]

And Raph actually had a 3rd love Interest. There was a 5 part story in the Archies Series comics, That took place in the future, And Future Raph had a girlfriend name Mezcaal, a Mutant Coyote.
Well dang Raph, you get around. Typical bad boy... :P

I hope this show at least does something with Mona Lisa, no matter what role they put her in. (Though I'd still love to see her mercilessly fawning over him in some teasing way, much to his waning tolerance. lol) I love that she's such a blank slate since her prior appearance was so brief, almost total artistic freedom to develop her more however Nick wishes.

[pannoni1]

I'd feel a new character with a tough, witty attitude would be the best way to go, and while Ninjara could work. I feel that Mona Lisa is a bit too lighthearted for Raph in the Nick show compared to the OT goofball, and all I could see is a running gag paying tribute to her. That was my vote, but feel that equally likely there would be no mate for Raph.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Maybe they could go a more edgy route with her, like Alopex? She was (loosely) based on Ninjara, so it could be done. I'd like to see her with a bubbly but very take-no-crap attitude. I think Raph would like that. You know- sweet and fun-loving and energetic, but if you make her mad- LOOK OUT! (A darker side, maybe?) Something like that. Sort of like the Power Puff Girls- they're so cute, you almost forget they can kick your butt!

[Warhorse]

Maybe instead of a crush, she can be a mother figure, but oh the oedipus complex that it will create.http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/2pys0vr.png



Or maybe Mona Lisa is actual April's mother, who carefully mutated herself to survive Dimension X's atmosphere and blend in with the Newtralizer's race so that she can hide herself from the Kraang. Maybe she even started a grass root movement within Newtralizer's race and the Triceratons by making the public believe that their ancient ancestors were dinosaurs that were abducted from Earth, and thus motivating them to fight against the Kraang for their home planet. However, doing so had unintentionally made them want to invade the planet for themselves which is why she wants to go to Earth and warn them about the upcoming invasion.

Eh, no. If Mona Lisa isn't a friend for Raph, then I don't want her in the show. No more of everything revolving around April. I'm kind of sick of it.

[Luckyday]

Eh, no. If Mona Lisa isn't a friend for Raph, then I don't want her in the show. No more of everything revolving around April. I'm kind of sick of it.

Yeah...I see your point. The only reason why I brought the April's mother thing was because Mae Whitman's mom was the original Mona Lisa.

[Shark_Blade]

What if Raph suddenly have feelings for April? :D He was acting like a tough guy but secretly he's starting to like her more and more.

He was acting cold
Like he doesn't care
But when we touched he suddenly stutter and froze by the door
No it can't be, I'll just ignore...
But then he never looked at me that way before...
[/Beauty and the Beast - Something There]


Ah, it's hard being April; all these guys constantly falling for her lol.

[IndigoErth]

What if Raph suddenly have feelings for April? :D He was acting like a tough guy but secretly he's starting to like her more and more.
Raph thinks he and Leo have issues butting heads? Would be a whole 'nother level with Donnie in this case. lol Enter dark Donnie...

Careful Raph, he might retromutagen you. Don't play games with someone who can use science against you. lol

[Sage Ninja]

I have come to really dislike the thought of any of the turtles having love interests. Out side of the OT it just seems really awkward and forced. So No...

[Raven]

If he does, I hope its Ninjara. How cool would it be if they brought her into the show?

[Warhorse]

What if Raph suddenly have feelings for April? :D He was acting like a tough guy but secretly he's starting to like her more and more.

He was acting cold
Like he doesn't care
But when we touched he suddenly stutter and froze by the door
No it can't be, I'll just ignore...
But then he never looked at me that way before...
[/Beauty and the Beast - Something There]


Ah, it's hard being April; all these guys constantly falling for her lol.

I'd rather it be Karai, considering he has once mentioned "She's Hot!" and Karai even mentioned to Leo that she likes Raph's personality!

[Luckyday]

It would be funny if Raph becomes attracted to her because her new snake looks more sexy to him where as Leo is 100% turn off by it.

Karai and Raph do seem to be similar in personality, but personally, I would think that Raph would be more attract to someone who takes no sass, and is calm and collected like a cool cucumber.

He might be a little turn by her at first because she might a little bit a stick in a mud like Leo, but maybe there a side to her that he only sees when he's alone with her.

[BubblyShell22]

Raph doesn't need a love interest, but if were to happen, I'd definitely pick Mona Lisa for him to be with or maybe even Lucindra. Yeah, she's not on the poll, but that would be neat.

Raph isn't attracted to April, and based on what he's said to Donnie, he's not the type to fantasize about love and being in love because he feels it wouldn't work out. But if he were to gain a love interest, it would be cool because he wouldn't want to believe it at first and would be all negative and stuff.

[victory_angel]

Kinda like that argument where Future Raph is telling his present day self to lighten up. And present day Raph says "There isn't anything to lighten up about...There are only four mutant turtles and all of them are male. That means no children, it ends with us."

[TigerClaw]

Kinda like that argument where Future Raph is telling his present day self to lighten up. And present day Raph says "There isn't anything to lighten up about...There are only four mutant turtles and all of them are male. That means no children, it ends with us."
Plus the Turtles can live a very long time, That Story from the comics took place 100 years in the future.

[IndigoErth]

Kinda like that argument where Future Raph is telling his present day self to lighten up. And present day Raph says "There isn't anything to lighten up about...There are only four mutant turtles and all of them are male. That means no children, it ends with us."
Aw, that's just kinda sad. See now, maybe that's half his deal right there... no legacy to leave behind other than trying to fix a city the humans are just going to mess up again anyhow once you're gone.

Seriously Turtles, cloning is real now... just raise some genetic clones. lol

[ssjup81]

Plus the Turtles can live a very long time, That Story from the comics took place 100 years in the future.This why I favored Archie Raph. He had a legit reason for his negativity and cynicism. Raph even mentioned how they'd outlive their mammal friends. I guess he thinks about those things more than his brothers.

[victory_angel]

Plus the Turtles can live a very long time, That Story from the comics took place 100 years in the future.

Which would be a stab against the Don O'Neil paring considering that Donnie would potentially out live April by several decades. But who knows since she's part Kraang she may live longer then most humans. Aging process slows down when she reaches 20 or something like that.

I know the age thing hasn't been brought up...yet. But Raph seems largely against Donnie being interested in April isn't because he's following April around like a love sick puppy, but rather because all he sees is Donnie getting a broken heart out of it.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, that and the fact that he knows it wouldn't work out because of the species difference and how Don couldn't give April certain things. He's just more realistic about things than others.

[victory_angel]

Well, that and the fact that he knows it wouldn't work out because of the species difference and how Don couldn't give April certain things. He's just more realistic about things than others.

Everyone seems to support the pairing in different ways.

Mikey is the most supportive. He really does want Donnie to be happy and he also would like to believe Donnie and April do have a chance a being together. Particularly since April is a mutant to. And if anything Mikey would know his brother is genuine in what he truely feels for April.

For example look at the music box discussion.

Donnie asks if the music box is a bit much, but refuses to hear anything beyond perfection. Mikey decideds to let Donnie hear what he wanted to hear and really feels bad when April doesn't really appricate the gift.

If it had been Leo if he had asked "Do you want my opinion?" and recieved "Only if it's perfect" he would have walked away saying "Then you don't want my opinion"

Other wise he may have suggested changes that would make it more welcoming. Because it's a sweet gift and Donnie had clearly spent quite a bit of time on it. But it was the photo of himself that was the big throw off.

Raph on the other hand world have just walked away without saying anything or he would have bluntly said. "April is never going to see you as more then a friend genius. When are you going to accept that?!"


Leo it's more of a tollerant allowance of it. I mean he's supportive of it because April is someone who makes Donnie happy, and he feels he doesn't have any right to take that away from him. But yet he has also expressed that Donnie and April have little chance in being together. And the only reason he hasn't told Donnie that directly is because Donnie would try to prove him wrong. And two he's hoping Donnie would grow up and smell the cooties before things get out of hand, or April directly tells him herself that she likes him as a friend only. But still acknowledges April is someone that matters to his brother and by extent the rest of the family.

Raph yes doesn't want to see Donnie get hurt by all this. And as you have also pointed out, Donnie can't provide a decent home for April or have children with her or any sense of normalcy. So Raph just want to save alot of heartache from happening before it starts.

As he states in "A Foot too Big" April is a girl. He doesn't say human girl thought that is the interpritation by some. He just says spacificly "April is a girl and you are a giant talking turtle. It's not going to happen."

Raph has also stated in "Within the woods" "We're mutant turtles, we don't belong in farm houses we belong in the sewer." to which Donnie responds by saying "Not entirely accurate, but apropos" Indicating that Raph hasn't adjusted to life on the farm and feels the only place he would ever feel he belonged was the sewer. Where as Donnie is more or less saying "I don't feel I belong in a sewer, but I see where your coming from."

[IndigoErth]

And the only reason he hasn't told Donnie that directly is because Donnie would try to prove him wrong.
Well, additionally I think Leo is also wise enough to know it's the sort of thing Donnie has to learn/find out for himself.

If it's doomed to not happen it's going to hurt either way and no use in his siblings causing that pain prematurely when ultimately the conclusion, for better or worse, has to happen between he and April, nobody else.

Likewise, only Leo can sort out his feelings over Karai, past and present. No doubt he knows how he'd feel if his brothers tried to tell him how to feel/think.

[Luckyday]

Well, additionally I think Leo is also wise enough to know it's the sort of thing Donnie has to learn/find out for himself.

If it's doomed to not happen it's going to hurt either way and no use in his siblings causing that pain prematurely when ultimately the conclusion, for better or worse, has to happen between he and April, nobody else.

Likewise, only Leo can sort out his feelings over Karai, past and present. No doubt he knows how he'd feel if his brothers tried to tell him how to feel/think.

I am really curious to know if Leo still have feelings for Karai. Snakes have tendency to strike without thinking especially when they're hungry.

I think for Karai, she would probably have to stay away from until she had something to eat to avoid going into predator mode, which from a writing standpoint keeps her being a main character but stills makes it possible her being a recurring character.

[victory_angel]

Well, additionally I think Leo is also wise enough to know it's the sort of thing Donnie has to learn/find out for himself.

If it's doomed to not happen it's going to hurt either way and no use in his siblings causing that pain prematurely when ultimately the conclusion, for better or worse, has to happen between he and April, nobody else.

Likewise, only Leo can sort out his feelings over Karai, past and present. No doubt he knows how he'd feel if his brothers tried to tell him how to feel/think.

Which is why Donnie despite having his doubts and reservations about Karai...with good reason. He is still willing to go along with Leo or hearout Leo's point of view on the situation. But would he would subtly hint his doubts too.

Such as Wrath of Tiger Claw.

When Karai tells Leo and April that she believes they are telling the truth when Leo says Splinter is her father. And April responds by saying "I believe she believes you." (I.E. I believe what she is saying.)

However Donnie says: I believe April. As sort of a vailed hint that Apirl is the only one telling the truth.

Kunoichi are trained to use deception as a weapon, of which Karai is firmly more practiced then April. But if he directly accused her of lying or pointed out that he wasn't going to rely on Karai's word that she's telling the truth he would come across as a insensitive jerk.

And when Leo says he's taking Karai to the lair we still see Donnie visably balk about that, and comments that Raph was not going to like this. He still tries to take Leo's side and convince Raph that Karai has changed.

[Metalwolf]

Aw, that's just kinda sad. See now, maybe that's half his deal right there... no legacy to leave behind other than trying to fix a city the humans are just going to mess up again anyhow once you're gone.

Not necessarily, you don't need to have bio children to leave a legacy. They can teach, be a mentor, be there for someone when they need it, etc. That is far more important and affects the here and now rather then giving any potential offspring a 'job' before they're even born.

Plus, it might even be cruel forcing something into existence that is going to have just as difficult a life as the parents, always looking at a life it can't have and then being burdened with it's own guilt of continuing on the 'legacy' it was tasked with before it was even born.

Not having children isn't a tragedy, it's an opportunity to grow beyond the little box one was always taught was the only important thing in life to achieve, and see what other things lie beyond.

[IndigoErth]

Yes, all good points. Not that any offspring of any sort necessarily has to do the same thing with their lives. In deeper aspects of simply existing in this world though, that would have to be a little depressing to face the fact that after you're gone, people like you are extinct. Couldn't blame them if they had any wish that their family, biologically speaking, wouldn't end with them...

[victory_angel]

Yes, all good points. Not that any offspring of any sort necessarily has to do the same thing with their lives. In deeper aspects of simply existing in this world though, that would have to be a little depressing to face the fact that after you're gone, people like you are extinct. Couldn't blame them if they had any wish that their family, biologically speaking, wouldn't end with them...

I agree. Though there is always the hope that life could get better for them. I mean, yeah they know they are less then likely to be accepted with open arms by humans in general because of what they are.

But remember in Fast Forward it kinda sorta hinted that Donnie pull a Donatello and created a second renaissance through his friendship with April and Casey and his involvement as a founder off O'Neil Tech.

Thus building a world where aliens, mutants, and humans can learn live togeather as equils. So I think the idea of the Turtles having children is not subjecting them to a life as ninja.

Splinter trained them to be ninja partially for selfish reasons (I.E. to be his army of death) but he also trained them as ninjas because that is the knowledge he had to pass on to them and also as a means in which to defend themselves in a world that may never understand them or welcome them.

And in a way the Turtles were given a choice, they could use their skills to defend the city or let the city fend for itself since they didn't owe anything to the people of New York. And they chose to use their skills to defend the city and by extent the world because there was no one else who could.
Regardless of whether the citizens were greatful or acknowledged all the Turtles did for them.

So yes if the Turtles were able to have children, the children would be trained to be ninja because that would also be the knowledge they have to pass on and they can do this by adopting human kids or training students and having these kids decide on their own what they felt their skills should be used.

And yes there would be some students who bite them in the shell. Such as Donnie with the Pulverizer and thats it's own can of worms.

But in the Mirage there is a moment where Renet tells Raph his future and he tells Raph that if he trains Shadow in Ninjitus some terrable thing is going to happen because of it. But if he doesn't she's going to be assassinated in her mid-twenties.

And heck Raph loses his eye during and argument with her.

Another reason the Turtles could want to have off Spring is just because humans would never accept them in their life time doesn't mean their children don't have the potential to create a world that could learn to accept them as people.

[Metalwolf]

Another reason the Turtles could want to have off Spring is just because humans would never accept them in their life time doesn't mean their children don't have the potential to create a world that could learn to accept them as people.True that could happen, but very likely it might not either at the same time. Would they really want to risk that chance?


What I'm arguing against isn't that they have children, it's that based on a notion on how that person themselves want, and not really any thought for what the child will go through. Often the default thought is that a person will have children or ought to, not offering much alternative of them possibly not wanting to or even allowing the possibility of whether they should.

This places a lot of pressure on people and makes them think they will only be happy or matter if they have children, often overlooking the significant meaning they have to other people, especially existing relatives and friends. To those friends and family, their lives already matter. Splinter is not their bio dad, but he is a father to them irregardless of genetic relatedness. He matters to them, and they to him, no bloodline needed. If the Turtles wanted children, they could very easily take in any abandoned children or dumpster tossed newborn babies, doing far more good for that child then any mutant child conceived for a 'legacy.' That child would consider them family, and they could be considered uncles or fathers and be well loved.


That's why I say they don't need bio children to be happy or to pass down a legacy or to matter to people. It's a poisonous notion that often passed around and tends to be the source or so much unhappiness, creating children to 'be' something or to 'do' something, without thinking of them as people and having their own thoughts and wants. What if they don't want to be what the parent wants? What if they turn to crime? What if they can't have or don't want children? Heck, what if the mutant bio child develops a mental illness or severe illness? Could they get it help in the current 'unfriendly' human society? It's a heavy risk, especially with the way the mutagen scrambles DNA like an egg in a pan. Children and their personalities are a crapshoot.



I see this stuff a lot in real life, which is why I am arguing so vigorously against it. I don't say that people shouldn't ever have children, but they must think first of the child and what it will go through, over some dreamy idea of a child that they really hold for themselves.

[IndigoErth]

Since it seems to have started against what I'd said, as a reminder I was simply stating sentiment in response to a supposed character quote:
And present day Raph says "There isn't anything to lighten up about...There are only four mutant turtles and all of them are male. That means no children, it ends with us."

I see this stuff a lot in real life, which is why I am arguing so vigorously against it. I don't say that people shouldn't ever have children, but they must think first of the child and what it will go through, over some dreamy idea of a child that they really hold for themselves.
And I wouldn't assume someone automatically has dreamy, unrealistic notions. If the argument is against what I had said... No, I do not have children, I do not know if I will have any and right now I'm unsure if I'd want to for various reasons. I am also pro-choice because there are sometimes worse things than not existing.

I'm not much of the maternal sort anyhow, if I don't have any I can deal with it, but that doesn't mean there still isn't some twinge of sad regret in the thought that my twig on the family tree ends there.

But the realities of real life choices is a bit different than simply feeling sentiment for fictional talking Turtle people and what they may or may not be written to wish to have in/do with their lives outside playing security for NYC.

And certainly different and a bit too far into the future in a thread wondering if this Raph will have a love interest in the first place. And will never be old enough in this series for all those bigger life decisions anyhow.

[Metalwolf]

Sorry if I came off a bit strong, some of it was a bit of a reaction from having had people push the 'Children are the most important thing in life' stuff pushed on me before. I always get nervous whenever the subject of a character having children is brought up, as sometimes in the way arguments go it often is made into a reinforcement of why a person's life is meaningless without children.

My apologies :toops:

[IndigoErth]

Nah, I understand. There are people (ok it's my younger sister and brother-in-law) I have mentally begged to not go for it until their lives are at a place/point in which it makes sense to. (So far so good, knock on wood... Nothing meant against them, but there's certainly still important things they need to get situated first.) Bugs me when some want a kid with little forethought, just want it like they might want a puppy.

[Metalwolf]

Nah, I understand. There are people (ok it's my younger sister and brother-in-law) I have mentally begged to not go for it until their lives are at a place/point in which it makes sense to. (So far so good, knock on wood... Nothing meant against them, but there's certainly still important things they need to get situated first.) Bugs me when some want a kid with little forethought, just want it like they might want a puppy.Definitely. they might even think about if they do decide to have kids, if they are doing it for all of the right reasons, or if it's just because they think it's what everybody does. Celebs seem to be the worst when it comes to being flippant when it comes to having kids, they dress them up like little dolls and give them stupid names, because it's all showing it off to reflect on the 'parent' then it really is about the kid.

I always liked it when any characters don't end up with kids or decide not to have them, since it forces the writers to think outside the box when it comes to story telling, and don't get stuck in the rut that seems to occur once a baby is brought into the mix. I'm glad that doesn't seem to happen in TMNT, so the writers focus on brotherhood and ninja stuff instead.

[Shark_Blade]

Which would be a stab against the Don O'Neil paring considering that Donnie would potentially out live April by several decades. Women are known to live longer than men, so I'd say she'll go up to 80-90. Plus she's not entirely human, she's a mutant-kraang breed so notch it up some more and she'll go 100+ like Donnie.

Problem solved. Apritello prevails. :tlove:

[Mugic]

Seems most people here doesn't want it to happen, but knowing Nick they probably do it anyway.

[TigerClaw]

Seems most people here doesn't want it to happen, but knowing Nick they probably do it anyway.
I'm all for it, The Comics did it very well.

In the Series, Donnie is all girl crazy with April, If they introduce a female mutant, I dont think the mutant is gonna be all boy crazy and fall for Raph, It should be subtle.

[Luckyday]

I'm all for it, The Comics did it very well.

In the Series, Donnie is all girl crazy with April, If they introduce a female mutant, I dont think the mutant is gonna be all boy crazy and fall for Raph, It should be subtle.

I am not sure if the writers know what being subtle looks like.http://i.imgur.com/abtor4B.gif

[TigerClaw]

I am not sure if the writers know what being subtle looks like.http://i.imgur.com/abtor4B.gif
Subtle as in, Showing hints of something going on, But not directly saying it. Like one of the Turtles saying something like. "She's kind of Cute." I don't think in a show like this the Turtles would say something like. "Shes Hot!"

Well, Maybe in the movies, But still.

[IndigoErth]

I dunno, the Leo/Karai thing was always left more subtle and worked well knowing Leo had a little crush happening without watching him drool on his feet and obsessively trying to form a game plane.

I don't think in a show like this the Turtles would say something like. "Shes Hot!"
But... Raph... Karai... Sorta happened already? :P Granted he said something to that affect while not being the one into her. But Raph was the most unsubtle part about it. lol Ok, that and Karai toying with Leo a little knowing he liked her.

[TigerClaw]

I dunno, the Leo/Karai thing was always left more subtle and worked well knowing Leo had a little crush happening without watching him drool on his feet and obsessively trying to form a game plane.


But... Raph... Karai... Sorta happened already? :P Granted he said something to that affect while not being the one into her. But Raph was the most unsubtle part about it. lol Ok, that and Karai toying with Leo a little knowing he liked her.
Ok, The show did show the characters flirting, But that's the extend of it, If they introduce a female mutant in the series, Who be the one flirting?

[Bitsy83]

Since a lot of people consider Mona Lisa one of the more popular Raph girls (aside from Ninjara), I found a really cool concept for her on Deviantart.

Note: THIS. IS. NOT. MY. WORK!!!! If you wish to acknowledge the artist, please go to the link provided below!!!

http://bitsy83.deviantart.com/art/TMNT-2012-Mona-Lisa-491510129

I think the idea of Mona Lisa being a Hindi/Indian girl is pretty clever. I especially love how they turned her pink neckerchief into a hijab/dupatta (it's one of those words). And her bindi becoming the marks of the Gecko is SO creative! Of course, this would also make a lot of red flags go up in case people decide to play the race card. I don't know much about hindi culture and I'm not sure if they wear their headscarves like that or if that's more of a Muslim look, but still she'd look awesome if this was how she was incorporated in the show.

What do you guys think?

[TigerClaw]

Since a lot of people consider Mona Lisa one of the more popular Raph girls (aside from Ninjara), I found a really cool concept for her on Deviantart.

Note: THIS. IS. NOT. MY. WORK!!!! If you wish to acknowledge the artist, please go to the link provided below!!!

http://bitsy83.deviantart.com/art/TMNT-2012-Mona-Lisa-491510129

I think the idea of Mona Lisa being a Hindi/Indian girl is pretty clever. I especially love how they turned her pink neckerchief into a hijab/dupatta (it's one of those words). And her bindi becoming the marks of the Gecko is SO creative! Of course, this would also make a lot of red flags go up in case people decide to play the race card. I don't know much about hindi culture and I'm not sure if they wear their headscarves like that or if that's more of a Muslim look, but still she'd look awesome if this was how she was incorporated in the show.

What do you guys think?
Here's an interesting piece of Art that someone drew of Mona Lisa, As the different incarnations, You will find a 2012 Nick version and the 2014 Movie version on there.
http://tmnt-monalisa.deviantart.com/art/Mona-Lisa-490568130

[zipper]

I'm in the Raph doesn't need a girlfriend camp. There's enough tension with the Donnie April thing (too much, really).

[IndigoErth]

Since a lot of people consider Mona Lisa one of the more popular Raph girls (aside from Ninjara), I found a really cool concept for her on Deviantart.

Note: THIS. IS. NOT. MY. WORK!!!! If you wish to acknowledge the artist, please go to the link provided below!!!

http://bitsy83.deviantart.com/art/TMNT-2012-Mona-Lisa-491510129

I think the idea of Mona Lisa being a Hindi/Indian girl is pretty clever. I especially love how they turned her pink neckerchief into a hijab/dupatta (it's one of those words). And her bindi becoming the marks of the Gecko is SO creative! Of course, this would also make a lot of red flags go up in case people decide to play the race card. I don't know much about hindi culture and I'm not sure if they wear their headscarves like that or if that's more of a Muslim look, but still she'd look awesome if this was how she was incorporated in the show.

What do you guys think?
Not a bad look and clever use of the markings. :)

Either way I hope they don't put hair on her.

Something I'd been thinking over... If they bring her into the show, and hopefully she sticks around long term (but not necessarily there all the time), in a way I do hope she does start out human. If they make her a cool character that had been human but now has had to deal with not only becoming a mutant but the fact that she's now bald and deciding she's perfectly cool with that... Was thinking about how there are kids dealing with illnesses, or treatments for it, that cause them to lose their hair, which is especially hard for little girls given our beauty standards. Now imagine an awesome, strong female character like Mona Lisa that could be appealing to those young fans and is a character who learns to accept the new her and embraces that "bald is beautiful."

I know I'm thinking way too much into all that, but just something that had crossed my mind.

[Bitsy83]

Here's an interesting piece of Art that someone drew of Mona Lisa, As the different incarnations, You will find a 2012 Nick version and the 2014 Movie version on there.
http://tmnt-monalisa.deviantart.com/art/Mona-Lisa-490568130

Lol, yeah I saw that one. The labels are sort of hard to read, but you can tell from the design who belongs where. Though I have no idea what "Lee's Turtles" means. Was that a different artist? Not sure I can handle a 2014 Mona Lisa though. At least not with hair. I'm sort of liking the idea of her NOT having hair.

[TigerClaw]

Lol, yeah I saw that one. The labels are sort of hard to read, but you can tell from the design who belongs where. Though I have no idea what "Lee's Turtles" means. Was that a different artist? Not sure I can handle a 2014 Mona Lisa though. At least not with hair. I'm sort of liking the idea of her NOT having hair.
The 2014 version looks ok to me, It looks like she has some kind of snout.

[Luckyday]

Not to get off topic but how important is it for Mona Lisa remain as Raph's love interest?

I think I voted in "Raph doesn't need one" category but I intrigued by the concept art of the character. Does she really have to be a love interest?

[DarkLightDragon]

If you ever feel a main character "needs" a love interest and create one just to be that love interest and nothing else,

then you may not be that great of a writer.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

That would be so lame if he did. He's my favorite and I would just hate to see him reduced to some emo teenager that listens to The Cure. LOL.

[IndigoErth]

Not to get off topic but how important is it for Mona Lisa remain as Raph's love interest?

I think I voted in "Raph doesn't need one" category but I intrigued by the concept art of the character. Does she really have to be a love interest?
Not really, I'd still be just fine with her being a gal pal. Preferably one who finds a bit of joy in poking at him. :)

[Warhorse]

I dunno, the Leo/Karai thing was always left more subtle and worked well knowing Leo had a little crush happening without watching him drool on his feet and obsessively trying to form a game plane.


But... Raph... Karai... Sorta happened already? :P Granted he said something to that affect while not being the one into her. But Raph was the most unsubtle part about it. lol Ok, that and Karai toying with Leo a little knowing he liked her.

Oh, but that is totally Raph, out of all of the Turtles, he's going to be the one that is not subtle. Especially when it comes to stuff like this.

[TigerClaw]

I found a great pic of what Mona Lisa would be like if done in the Nick style, And if the Turtles saw her, It would probably end up being something like this.
http://ty-chou.deviantart.com/art/TMNT-Stop-Following-Me-350968222

http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2013/027/c/f/tmnt__stop_following_me_by_ty_chou-d5sygta.jpg

[Warhorse]

Not to get off topic but how important is it for Mona Lisa remain as Raph's love interest?

I think I voted in "Raph doesn't need one" category but I intrigued by the concept art of the character. Does she really have to be a love interest?

It's not important for Mona Lisa to be a love interest for Raph, but, it is important for me that if she does show up, that her arcs are with Raph, kind of like how Karai's arcs are with Leo. I just hope they keep that kind of continuity going, since the writers tend to take traditional Raph arcs and give them to Donnien (I wonder if they did this, thinking that hey, Raph's the fan favorite, so if we just give his old voice actor, his banters/witty remarks and storylines of the past to Donnie, then we will make Donnie the fan favorite) Judging by the recent poll that was on here, that effort blew up big time in their face.

[Luckyday]

It's not important for Mona Lisa to be a love interest for Raph, but, it is important for me that if she does show up, that her arcs are with Raph, kind of like how Karai's arcs are with Leo. I just hope they keep that kind of continuity going, since the writers tend to take traditional Raph arcs and give them to Donnien (I wonder if they did this, thinking that hey, Raph's the fan favorite, so if we just give his old voice actor, his banters/witty remarks and storylines of the past to Donnie, then we will make Donnie the fan favorite) Judging by the recent poll that was on here, that effort blew up big time in their face.

I just notice that the lowest view episodes are usually the love triangle centric ones, so hopeful the writers will notice and send this ship straight to Belize.

They could do it and no one would ever know.:shifty:

[Warhorse]

I just notice that the lowest view episodes are usually the love triangle centric ones, so hopeful the writers will notice and send this ship straight to Belize.

They could do it and no one would ever know.:shifty:

People don't like the love triangle, and tend to not care for Casey much, but Apritello is a very hot thing. They should just dump the triangle and give the viewers Apritello.

[Luckyday]

People don't like the love triangle, and tend to not care for Casey much, but Apritello is a very hot thing. They should just dump the triangle and give the viewers Apritello.

I guess the reason why they can't just let them be couple already, is because if the writers (and when I mean writers, I mean Ciro), get bored with it and break them up. What they going to with April? Surely they can't just let her continue to be on the show because that would never happen on television.http://i.imgur.com/Js5iCJ1.gif

In all honesty though, I can't imagine how much different it will be if they become an item. The only honest to god change is Donnie will stop looking so ****ing surprise when April kiss him on the daily basis.

[TigerClaw]

You know, I support the whole Apritello thing, The reason? Because this is another TMNT universe, Must April and Casey Jones have a relationship in each one? No, They can take so many directions with this show to establish this being its own universe, and not follow exactly what the others have.

So if they want to have some sort of relationship thing going on with Donnie and April, Let them, Besides, This version of April is not 100% human, So they have a reason to pursuit this.

[Warhorse]

I guess the reason why they can't just let them be couple already, is because if the writers (and when I mean writers, I mean Ciro), get bored with it and break them up. What they going to with April? Surely they can't just let her continue to be on the show because that would never happen on television.http://i.imgur.com/Js5iCJ1.gif

In all honesty though, I can't imagine how much different it will be if they become an item. The only honest to god change is Donnie will stop looking so ****ing surprise when April kiss him on the daily basis.

Finally bringing Apritello out in the open, for once and for all I think would not only finally put a stop of Donnie's loopiness, but it would hopefully make Casey a better character other than just being there to try and get into April's pants. And seriously, I don't understand Ciro and co, if they have a hard time writing female characters, then just hire some intern from a local college to do it. There are thousands of them within the area. There are no excuses. Especially considering interns will do the work for free.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, why not, we've already had April kiss Donnie on the lips, there really isn't anything further than can go into on this show, anything else that could portray between them is certainly more innocent. Simply giving them a closer relationship isn't going to warp child viewers.

If they don't want to carry it on long term, fine... do it for a while and let Donnie lose the love blindness and decide April is a little bit annoying or stifling.

But please no April/Casey though... that's prob the one single thing within TMNT I am bored of.

[Luckyday]

Yeah, why not, we've already had April kiss Donnie on the lips, there really isn't anything further than can go into on this show, anything else that could portray between them is certainly more innocent. Simply giving them a closer relationship isn't going to warp child viewers.

If they don't want to carry it on long term, fine... do it for a while and let Donnie lose the love blindness and decide April is a little bit annoying or stifling.

But please no April/Casey though... that's prob the one single thing within TMNT I am bored of.

Well that will be something new that you don't get to see on every tv show. Heck, if they don't write April off like what happen with Margaret from Regular Show then color me shock.

[BabyTurtles]

Well that will be something new that you don't get to see on every tv show. Heck, if they don't write April off like what happen with Margaret from Regular Show then color me shock.

well at least Mordecai got with CJ and they are still a couple.

and in my opinion much better.

[Luckyday]

well at least Mordecai got with CJ and they are still a couple.

and in my opinion much better.

Yeah but I heard Margaret came back. I really don't want to see return of a love triangle.
http://i.imgur.com/hbNJ6C0.png

[BabyTurtles]

Yeah but I heard Margaret came back. I really don't want to see return of a love triangle.
http://i.imgur.com/hbNJ6C0.png

I know...I saw her make an appearance before the last episodes ended...

ugh...I hope Mordecai stays with CJ......T^T

[IndigoErth]

Well that will be something new that you don't get to see on every tv show. Heck, if they don't write April off like what happen with Margaret from Regular Show then color me shock.
Afraid I don't follow, sorry, I watch so little tv anymore.

(Yes, I'm in my 30s and the only thing currently on tv that I MUST be sure to catch is TMNT.:lol:)

[Luckyday]

Afraid I don't follow, sorry, I watch so little tv anymore.

(Yes, I'm in my 30s and the only thing currently on tv that I MUST be sure to catch is TMNT.:lol:)

Well I don't think there a trope name for this. Anyway when main protagonist either falls out of his/her crush or just break up (Cause apparently that's too weird for hollywood television) the love interest will then be put on a bus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PutOnABus) and we, the audience, will never ever hear from him/her ever again.

Unless her name is Rose ****ing Tyler.:tgrumble:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120606180339/bleedmancomics/images/thumb/8/85/RoseWho.jpg/200px-RoseWho.jpg

[pennydreadful]

As a rule, I don't like female characters being introduced just to be love interests - although some folks feel that is pretty much what they did with Ninjara in the Archie comics, so I guess it's not always a hard-and-fast-rule of "doing that sucks".

That being said, I don't feel the need for each of the Turtles to be paired off into little hetero ships... this isn't Alvin and the Chipmunks.

I'd prefer a gal-pal teamup (since we're getting minimal Raph & Casey buddy time), or a non-het pairing for one of the guys - but that last one sure as sh*t ain't gonna happen given that it's a kids' show (so I'll just have to satisfy myself with shipfic when I need a change of pace :lol:).

[Mellie]

Raph having a female "bro" would be great. Maybe he'll meet someone during the Dark Raph thing.

[TigerClaw]

As a rule, I don't like female characters being introduced just to be love interests - although some folks feel that is pretty much what they did with Ninjara in the Archie comics, so I guess it's not always a hard-and-fast-rule of "doing that sucks".

That being said, I don't feel the need for each of the Turtles to be paired off into little hetero ships... this isn't Alvin and the Chipmunks.

I'd prefer a gal-pal teamup (since we're getting minimal Raph & Casey buddy time), or a non-het pairing for one of the guys - but that last one sure as sh*t ain't gonna happen given that it's a kids' show (so I'll just have to satisfy myself with shipfic when I need a change of pace :lol:).
I prefer that Raph has a girlfriend in the new series, Could be either Mona Lisa or Ninjara, And just cause it has happened in the comics. They can do this without going overboard with it, But make it subtle.

Raph isn't known to obsessed over females, but you could have it where the female find Raph cute and all, And hes completely oblivious that somebody likes him.

[pennydreadful]

I'd be lying if I didn't say that I like the idea of exploring the emotional territory of the Turtles being in a relationship - that said, I would have very little interest in a show where all 4 of the guys had girlfriends. For a variety of reasons. If I want that kind of thing, I can just go watch Teen Wolf.

[Mugic]

With Dregg now confirmed to appear it's clear that the writers prefer to adapt OT characters over other incarnations, so if Raph were to get a love interest or female friend it would no doubt be Mona Lisa.

[Sabacooza]

I doubt he'll get a love interest. They pay very little attention to him as it is.
I actually prefer that he didn't anyway but he at least needs a buddy to hang with.

[Kite]

I hope he doesn't. Nick doesn't know how to write romance!

But I bet Renet won't be around as much as Karai and April anyways.

[TigerClaw]

I hope he doesn't. Nick doesn't know how to write romance!

But I bet Renet won't be around as much as Karai and April anyways.
I think it was hinted that, Mikey falls for Renet.

[GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo]

I think Iv made myself very clear on the part that im here for the bromance. not interested in romace and I don't think any turtles d be interested coz they kno their relationship between each other is more important than their relationship between other things.

[pennydreadful]

If you're not into romance, you really need to change your user-name. Because I can assure you, if you're using the 'RaphxLeo' as an indicator of bromance, you're using it incorrectly. <Name>x<Name> or <Name>/<Name> always indicates a relationship pairing and is widely used by the ship and fanfic communities for pretty much every fandom there is.

[TigerClaw]

If you're not into romance, you really need to change your user-name. Because I can assure you, if you're using the 'RaphxLeo' as an indicator of bromance, you're using it incorrectly. <Name>x<Name> or <Name>/<Name> always indicates a relationship pairing and is widely used by the ship and fanfic communities for pretty much every fandom there is.
Yeah, When it comes to Bromance, Casey and Raph comes in mind.

[senpai]

I say Raph doesn't need a love interest. Mona Lisa is so-so, and really just a filler character anyway. Alopex and Raph would be too much like LeoxKarai, so why go down that road again when something new could be done?

I say a new character should be made for Raph if he HAS to have a love interest, otherwise it's unneeded. Raph already believes he's the handsomest turtle out of his brothers so maybe he could just be the badboy flirt or something like that. Maybe (lol) Renet or one of the other turtles' love interest can have a crush on Raph and he could be the teasing type to his bros and flirt back? I don't know...maybe that's breaking some guy code that I know absolutely nothing about. xD

[Warhorse]

I say Raph doesn't need a love interest. Mona Lisa is so-so, and really just a filler character anyway. Alopex and Raph would be too much like LeoxKarai, so why go down that road again when something new could be done?

I say a new character should be made for Raph if he HAS to have a love interest, otherwise it's unneeded. Raph already believes he's the handsomest turtle out of his brothers so maybe he could just be the badboy flirt or something like that. Maybe (lol) Renet or one of the other turtles' love interest can have a crush on Raph and he could be the teasing type to his bros and flirt back? I don't know...maybe that's breaking some guy code that I know absolutely nothing about. xD

If they bring someone that's already apart of the Turtle's world, why not Joi from 2k3?

[senpai]

If they bring someone that's already apart of the Turtle's world, why not Joi from 2k3?

I haven't seen all of 2k3. I wasn't a big fan. No clue who Joi is.

[GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo]

no more human/turtle hentai plz

[Autbot_Benz]

how has that troll not been banned yet :roll:

[GoldMutant]

As much as many people would be happy to have Raph and Mona Lisa coming together, I think it'd be nice for Raph to be the only Turtles not to get a crush. It makes him extremely unique as his brothers all had crushes (or in Mikey's case, will), but I'm not one to judge. :tsmile:

[senpai]

Raphael is a strong, sassy green turtle who don't need no woman. :twink:

https://33.media.tumblr.com/e4190115820286925e153a4ecac846c6/tumblr_mzvk1ni7bW1r2nvplo1_500.gif

[Netkeeper]

I haven't seen all of 2k3. I wasn't a big fan.
http://i.imgur.com/eS6nt9S.gif

[Candy Kappa]

no more human/turtle hentai plz

then stop visiting porn sites if you don't like hentai :roll:

[pennydreadful]

Hentai is awesome. Moar hentai! *bangs fists on the table*

:lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

^ I'm with penny. More turtle-luvs!! LOL!

[Luckyday]

I am all for it if they can get some of the Steven Universe's writers to write the romance, and maybe install some much needed continuity.:tcouch:

[Warhorse]

Hentai is awesome. Moar hentai! *bangs fists on the table*

:lol:
I remember this little pic that would be so perfect for this thread!:lol:
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a392/Warhorse_1978/TMNTlikeporn.jpg

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Hey! Is that from MsObscure? I think I recognize the style. Cute, LOL!

[pennydreadful]

It's especially perfect considering the type of art that Sneefee usually draws. :lol:

[Warhorse]

I don't know who did it, but there are several of them. I'm not 100% sure, but I think my avatar of Raph in the Nightwatcher gig lying on the couch and drinking a beer is of the same artist.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

It's especially perfect considering the type of art that Sneefee usually draws. :lol:


Oh, was it Sneefee then? Hmm. Interesting. Looked like one of Obscure's pics. But yeah, I love certain artists of this type of art. And Leo looks a little embarrassed in that pic. So funny! Wonder just WHAT they're looking at?

[pennydreadful]

I'm not sure about your avatar Warhorse, but the artist for the pic just posted is definitely Sneefee; you can see their sig in the corner.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Good eye. I didn't see that. Nice.

[Warhorse]

Oh, was it Sneefee then? Hmm. Interesting. Looked like one of Obscure's pics. But yeah, I love certain artists of this type of art. And Leo looks a little embarrassed in that pic. So funny! Wonder just WHAT they're looking at?

Makes me wonder if that pic was the inspiration of Raph's reaction to that snapshot of the lizard woman?

[Powder]

Oh yes, I'm sure the creative team hired by Viacom is taking notes from turtlecest artists... :trolleye:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Why not? I've seen IDW artists on Deviant Art, right next to artists like Sneefee and MsObscure- it's not a huge stretch to think some of the creative staff frequent sites like that, and run across such works. Inspiration can strike anywhere.

[Shark_Blade]

I think the 2007 movie is to blame for starting all this turtlecest love between Leo and Raph.

Raph: You're going to need these if you're going to lead us out of here.
Leo: I'm going to need you, too.

Kiss him you fool, there's no better time [/Nostalgia Critic]

:tlol:

[Luckyday]

Oh yes, I'm sure the creative team hired by Viacom is taking notes from turtlecest artists... :trolleye:

Wait a minute..did Sophie Campbell, who did the art for North Hampton book for IDW, said that she was sorta into turtlecest?:teek:

[pennydreadful]

She has no problem with it (or fans who like it), and has said elsewhere that she has drawn some but that it will remain private.

[Shark_Blade]

Wait a minute..did Sophie Campbell, who did the art for North Hampton book for IDW, said that she was sorta into turtlecest?:teek:Is it wrong for her to like turtlecest?

[Luckyday]

Is it wrong for her to like turtlecest?

Well Rebecca Sugar of Steven Universe is into Ed Edd' Eddy yaoi so what ever helps I guess?http://i.imgur.com/CkBmJDG.gif

I am not sure how I feel about this.http://i.imgur.com/nDaxxYI.gif

[senpai]

Yeah that's a bit of a weird one LOL:lol:

[Luckyday]

I am started to feel like a hypocrite because last week I was on everyone case for putting Steven Universe down as "that yuri ****" but incest is incest, but it's a cartoon so whatever man.

It doesn't help when most parings are written as S&M couple but yeah that's general fandom for you.

[pennydreadful]

Is it wrong for her to like turtlecest?

Who exactly are you asking? The Grand High Nerd Council who rules with authority over all things acceptable and unacceptable in a fandom?

If she likes it, clearly she doesn't think it's wrong. People can enjoy things in fiction that they aren't down with in real life. Or do you think that everyone who watched Breaking Bad actually wants to start cooking meth in their bathtubs, and that Dexter fans all actually support murder? It's entertainment. Make-believe. Not real.

The sun's still going to rise and set each day regardless of what other people ship.

[lindz247]

Aww it would be sweet to to see Raph with a soft side ;)

[Shark_Blade]

Well Rebecca Sugar of Steven Universe is into Ed Edd' Eddy yaoi so what ever helps I guess?http://i.imgur.com/CkBmJDG.gif

I am not sure how I feel about this.http://i.imgur.com/nDaxxYI.gif
That's how it is, no biggie tbh.

Who exactly are you asking? The Grand High Nerd Council who rules with authority over all things acceptable and unacceptable in a fandom?

If she likes it, clearly she doesn't think it's wrong. People can enjoy things in fiction that they aren't down with in real life. Or do you think that everyone who watched Breaking Bad actually wants to start cooking meth in their bathtubs, and that Dexter fans all actually support murder? It's entertainment. Make-believe. Not real.

The sun's still going to rise and set each day regardless of what other people ship.

No one asked you, get that stick out of your ass.

[IndigoErth]

Kinda torn at the moment... The love interest thing has been a bit overdone (mainly via Donnie and Casey, not so much in Leo's case imo since it was kept much lighter) and would rather not. But at the same time, it might force them to do something with him that actually focuses on him and lasts a while.

[senpai]

I was just gonna say that romance is overrated and-- *reads last few posts*

No one asked you, get that stick out of your ass.

http://i.imgur.com/ohldIWz.gif

Eh, I'll come back later.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I was just gonna say that romance is overrated and-- *reads last few posts*



http://i.imgur.com/ohldIWz.gif

Eh, I'll come back later.

:tlol:

Perfect GIF for the occasion!

[Luckyday]

I really don't like the idea of giving a character a love interest just make him more interesting. It's one of the many reasons why I hate Apritello with a fire of thousand suns.

To me has to feel organic. There should a real genuine reason for why these two characters are into to each other, like a moment where a character realizes that is more to him or her then meets the eye or learning about a character's life long dream for something to show what kind of person she is. When it comes down to it, all of that really requires writing a very flesh out female character that has depth which is why Karai is such a cut above April, because if you write out the love interest angle between her and Leo, she would still be a interesting character.

It's sad if that's only way to give more spotlight to Raph but I really don't have any faith in the writing department to handle romance. Just let them focus on what they do best, which is comedy and episodic story telling.

[pennydreadful]

No one asked you, get that stick out of your ass.

Who were you asking then? The question was directed at the room.

Also, I'll leave the stick where it is - gives me a tingly feeling in my no-no place. :lol:

[Warhorse]

I think the 2007 movie is to blame for starting all this turtlecest love between Leo and Raph.

Raph: You're going to need these if you're going to lead us out of here.
Leo: I'm going to need you, too.

Kiss him you fool, there's no better time [/Nostalgia Critic]

:tlol:

Are you sure it didn't actually start with the 1990 movie, with the whole scene where Leo helped Raph out of the bathtub? :lol:

[aliena]

Are you sure it didn't actually start with the 1990 movie, with the whole scene where Leo helped Raph out of the bathtub? :lol:

I was just wondering where the turtlecest started. I thought it was from the 2007 movie, but now that I'm watching the 2003 show I'm thinking it was from that. Leo and Raph seem so close at times and they touch each other a lot more and fight a lot less. I'm only on season 2 though, so that's all I'm going on. :) Maybe it's always been there from the start.

[billbot85]

I don't think Raph really needs a love interest in this series. But if they do decide to introduce Mona Lisa into the show, I guess pairing them up would be a nice nod to the FW series. Still, like I said before about the FW series, I don't think having love interests is necessary for the turtles. I feel that the April/Donnie/Casey love triangle is already enough for Nick show.

[Luckyday]

I don't think Raph really needs a love interest in this series. But if they do decide to introduce Mona Lisa into the show, I guess pairing them up would be a nice nod to the FW series. Still, like I said before about the FW series, I don't think having love interests is necessary for the turtles. I feel that the April/Donnie/Casey love triangle is already enough for Nick show.

I'm still all for Mona Lisa for being April's mom since the VA in real life is Mae Whitman's mother. That would be just so ****ing cool. I mean her whole characterization practically writes itself and you know how the writers feel about the FW series. This idea had probably cross their minds more then once of maybe bringing the Mona Lisa as their Mona Lisa but as April's mom who went missing but was hiding out in Dimension X in mutant disguise as one of Newtralizer's species.

[aliena]

Considering the fact that they didn't set up Raph for April in this series, I'm thinking maybe they had other plans for him later on. Maybe not, but it would have been so different if Raph had fallen for April instead of Don like I heard they were considering.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that Raph has so many love interests in comparison to his brothers. I think he's had at least five. I don't think Leo had anyone other than Karai and I don't think Donnie had anyone before April. Mikey had that Nutrino girl or was that Donnie?

[Luckyday]

Considering the fact that they didn't set up Raph for April in this series, I'm thinking maybe they had other plans for him later on. Maybe not, but it would have been so different if Raph had fallen for April instead of Don like I heard they were considering.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that Raph has so many love interests in comparison to his brothers. I think he's had at least five. I don't think Leo had anyone other than Karai and I don't think Donnie had anyone before April. Mikey had that Nutrino girl or was that Donnie?

With this franchise, I am pretty sure Mikey has the most in total. That Neutrino girl, Kala being one of them.

I can't help but wonder if they had scripts of Raph slowly falling for April and that when they decided early on to switch to Donnie, but they didn't have the time to rewrite the script to fit Donnie's character and thus explain the crow bar the love at first sight but "oh guys seriously, I'm really in love with her".

[Lou 500]

No thank you, we don't need more love interests. As much as I'd like to see Mona Lisa make an appearence, she shouldn't be a prop for a forced romance plot.

Speaking of Mona Lisa, look what someone on Tumblr found:

https://40.media.tumblr.com/4ebe74a067176a9c2d99b72d8fa9cbe3/tumblr_npu9z1D3xk1u5rny0o1_500.jpg

(original post here (http://tmntfandom2012.tumblr.com/post/121356768085/so-my-friend-messaged-me-these-pictures-i-have-a))

Nothing's been confirmed, but I don't think that character was designed and modelled just for a book cover.

[Meliwen]

Are you suggesting that the alien might be Raph's love interest? I think it could be a possibility.

IF they do decide to give Raph a love interest, making her a character from the space arc makes sense, since after this arc is over and the turtles go home, we won't be seeing her again, potentially. That gives the writers a chance to give Raph a love interest, without the need to write or find her a place in the rest of the story. Once the space arc is over, she's done with and they have the easy opportunity to forget about the character.

[Werecat]

Gosh no Raph and April. I would actually like to see the drama from the unholy union of Raph and April. The age ol' tale of Alpha male(Raph of course) versus beta male(Obviously Donnie).

[Vicky82]

It's confirmed he will be getting a love interest in Season 4, Mona Lisa voiced by Zelda Williams.

[yellowmario27]

It's confirmed he will be getting a love interest in Season 4, Mona Lisa voiced by Zelda Williams.

did they actually say she'll be a love interest? or are we just assuming she will be?

[CyberCubed]

Between Mona Lisa and Raph discovering Zog in the sewers, it definitely seems like he's going to get more focus.

[TigerClaw]

If they play around with the whole Mona Lisa/Raph pairing, I bet Mikey will have a field day with this, He'll probably tease Raph by calling her his girlfriend.

And Raph would be like. "She's not my girlfriend Mikey! She's just a friend."

[BubblyShell22]

Well, they may not confirm it because they may want it be a surprise. But, yeah, I can see Mikey definitely teasing Raph about it.