Hocus Pocus 2 being discussion

[turtlefanforever]

Bette Middler, SJP, and Kathy N all have expressed desire to make a sequel. The balls in Disney's court. The Chatter started when Middler brought it up at a reddit AMA the other day and SJP and Kathy hopped right on board. What do you think? Hocus pocus is one of my favorite movies. I watch it every Halloween but I don't see how you could do a sequel. it'd have to be set before they were all killed off. and if they did make one I think it woulda been best if it had happened in the 90's. I think it's better off the way it is. There's some things you just don't add onto.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I would be really happy if they did this! I loved the original, and if they want to make another, I'd go see it. I don't know if I'd want it to be a sequel, or a prequel, but either way, I'm in!

[Cure]

Hocus Pocus is the only instance where Sarah Jessica Parker looks good. I guess that really is some black magic.

[pennydreadful]

Eh, I'm a fan of the "leave 'em wanting more" attitude - too many sequels being pumped out just because. Not everything's going to capture the magic of the originals but I'm very burnt out on lackluster sequels and reboots.

[BubblyShell22]

I don't know how this would work, so I'd rather they just leave it where it ended since they were pretty much killed off. Only way I could see it working is if somehow they weren't destroyed at the end of the first one and come back or if it's a prequel. I do like the original a lot, but I just don't know if this would work.

[Jester]

I really like the original...but like Mrs. Doubtfire and I thought the sequel was a bad idea. If they can come up with a great story (maybe set it back in 1600's Salem...*shrugs*) I'm game.

[shuriken]

Hocus Pocus is the only instance where Sarah Jessica Parker looks good. I guess that really is some black magic.

REALLY I thought I was the only one that thought this :lol:.
But no a sequel sounds terrible.

[Leofan26]

Oh gosh no, I was hoping the idea was dead. I loved the film but it had the perfect ending in my opinion.

What are they going to explain with this too? The Witches died for good this flick, sure the book woke up in the credits but they died from real. No spell to leave it on to be continued but..Please no :(

[Leo656]

Unless a grown-up Thora Birch has a scene where she whips out those monster jugs of hers, there's no reason to do this.

No, Ms. M, "I'm old now and need money" is not a reason. No, SJP, "I've exhausted my mainstream appeal" is not a reason. And no, Ms. Najimy, "They cancelled King of the Hill and they won't release the last two seasons on DVD so I need money from something so I don't have to eat cat food" isn't a reason.

That movie's cute - my wife's obsessed with it - but absolutely nothing about it screams for a second one. I mean, just the idea itself literally screams, "We're old and broke". Have some dignity. You're Huge Stars, after all.

Well... Huge Stars + Peggy Hill. But still.

[Jester]

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[shuriken]

Is it weird that I watched the whole thing?

Unless a grown-up Thora Birch has a scene where she whips out those monster jugs of hers, there's no reason to do this.


But she already did in American Beauty, and it was fantastic. No need to try and make a sequal of a movie made 20 some years ago riding on the cotails of a movie made 15 years ago :lol:

[ranger_scout]

Hocus Pocus is getting a sequel. However, it's not going to be a film instead it will be a book, which is going to be released in time to celebrate the movie's 25th anniversary.

https://ohmy.disney.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Hocus-Pocus-Cover-750x1118.jpg

"Shortly after moving from California to Salem, Max Dennison finds himself in hot water when he accidentally releases a coven of witches from the afterlife. Max, his sister, and his new friends (human and otherwise) must find a way to stop the witches from carrying out their evil plan and remaining on Earth to torment Salem for all eternity. Twenty-five years later, Max and Allison’s seventeen-year-old daughter, Poppy, finds herself face-to-face with the Sanderson sisters in all their sinister glory. When Halloween celebrations don’t quite go as planned, it’s a race against time as Poppy and her friends fight to save her family and all of Salem from the witches’ latest death-defying scheme."

http://comicbook.com/horror/2018/01/31/hocus-pocus-sequel-book-halloween-sanderson-sisters/

[Allio]

Hocus Pocus is the only instance where Sarah Jessica Parker looks good. I guess that really is some black magic.

probably because they went for the "sexy trash" angle.

[ranger_scout]

Here is an excerpt.

I look back at my parents, searching for the right words. I really don’t know how to explain what happened, but I’m sure there must be some non-supernatural explanation. I’m not about to go down the same paranoid rabbit hole as my family. “There was a windstorm,” I say. “But you’re here now, and everything seems . . . fine?” Even I hear my voice go up an octave at the end.

“A windstorm? In the Sanderson house?” asks Mom. “On the night of the blood moon?”

Travis stands up then, quickly surveying the debris strewn around the room. “Mrs. Dennison,” he says, “Mr. Dennison. I am so sorry—there was a cat and . . . we were afraid it was lost, and we chased it through the gate without even realizing where we were, and . . .”

It’s super obvious he’s cobbling his lie together one piece at a time.

“Do you know how surprised we were to end up in here?” he continues. “I’ve never personally been so surprised.”

Mom looks shaken by the talk of a cat, and she takes Dad’s hand. “Poppy, what exactly did you do?” she asks me, studying the wreckage.

I almost wish the green glow beneath the floorboards will return to swallow me whole. “We may have found the spell book and tried to summon the dead, but it didn’t work,” I say. “I’m sure it’s just . . . drafty in here. Or something.”

“The spell book!” Mom gasps. “Where is it?”

Isabella pulls it out from behind her back. “Trick or treat?”

“Where did you find it?” Mom whispers, shocked.

Isabella carefully stoops and places it on the floor, then slowly backs away from it, but doesn’t offer an answer.

Dad puts his hands on his head. “What were you thinking?” he asks me. His voice has that shaky, frustrated tone that tells me Aunt Dani is right: he really is angrier than he looks.

“I guess we weren’t?” says Isabella, looking to me for backup.

What do I say? That we came here on Halloween night to prove that their story about the Sanderson sisters and a talking cat isn’t remotely true. Which, by the way, jury’s still out?

“Poppy, haven’t we taught you anything?” Mom says. “This is the only thing we’ve ever asked you not to do—and you go behind our backs?” She’s angry, but there’s also an edge of hurt to her voice. “You put your friends in danger, too. Do you realize that?” She eyes the book and turns to Dad. “Oh, Max, I have a very bad feeling about all of this.”

To my right, Isabella shifts uncomfortably, and hot blood rushes to my face.

“Okay, okay,” Aunt Dani says, hands on hips. “Max. We didn’t exactly heed the warnings about coming up here to flip through books and let virgins light candles. I seem to remember that I was the one overruled twenty-five years ago about coming to this creeper house.” She glances at me and says out of the corner of her mouth, “You didn’t let anyone light a candle, did you?”

I shake my head ever so slightly, and Aunt Dani lets out a small sigh of relief.

“That’s not the point,” says Dad.

“That’s exactly the point, Max,” says Aunt Dani, rounding on him. “Tell him, Allison.”

Mom cups my cheek in one of her hands, searching my face, and I feel a horrible sinking feeling settle in my stomach.

“I’m sorry,” I tell her. “I know we shouldn’t have come.”

“Oh, Poppy,” she says gently. “We’re just glad you’re all okay. We love you so much and couldn’t bear—”

And then Mom’s expression turns to one of shock, and she’s gone.

And then Aunt Dani is gone.

And Dad, striding across the room, disappears mid-step.

“What—” I start, reaching into the empty air, but my voice catches in my throat.

A pair of disembodied hands with freakishly long nails appears in front of us, gnarled fingers clawing at the air like they’re prying open elevator doors. The hands struggle to widen the fissure in the invisible veil, and the air seems to part further, a green glow flickering around its edges.

I see an emerald dress with white laces crisscrossing up the front, revealing a narrow length of royal blue silk. I hear an indignant huff, and then the tear opens wider still and a woman squeezes her way through, nearly tripping as she extracts one leg and then the other, her long green skirts getting caught in the narrow opening between worlds. When the woman turns to us, I see that her face is flushed and her mouth is smudged scarlet across her bottom lip and Cupid’s bow. Her eyes are crazed and triumphant, and her red hair is a violent cloud above her scalp.

Behind her, the manicured hands of a second woman grab on to the edges of the air before the tear can seal itself shut. A tall black boot emerges, followed by flowing red-and-purple skirts. Their wearer—a beautiful woman with loose blond curls—steps out and claps with excitement, jumping from one foot to another.

A third, plumper woman forces her torso through the opening next. She grins at us with a crooked mouth, then waves at the blond woman to help drag her fully into our world. Her dark hair is sculpted like a witch’s hat over her head, and she’s dressed in a rust-colored bodice with heavy plaid skirts. The brunette clutches at the blonde as she slides through the parted air, and then the space behind her seals with a pop, until there isn’t a hint that it ever existed.

The women look around, grinning. They are wildly impossible and yet somehow perfectly placed, as if they never left this ramshackle house.

My heart stops beating for a moment, and a lump rises in my throat.

This can’t be happening. But a larger, more terrified part of me can’t quiet the chorus running through my head. They’re real. They’re real, they’re real, they’re real.

“What the hell?” I breathe.

But neither Travis nor Isabella has an answer for me. Travis quickly grabs the spell book and hides it behind his back. Luckily, only I seem to have noticed him do so.

My family’s story was true. And now Mom and Dad and Aunt Dani are gone.

The redhead takes in Isabella, then me, then Travis, and she moves down the line, her grin growing wider and wider and pushing against the edges of her face.

“We’re ba-aaack,” Winifred Sanderson sings.

With a swell of sinister delight, the house fills with the sound of the Sanderson sisters’ cackling.

The witch is back.

https://ohmy.disney.com/news/2018/01/31/theres-a-new-book-about-hocus-pocus-and-weve-got-the-exclusive-cover-art-and-an-excerpt/

[Andrew NDB]

So... no Hocus Pocus 2, then.

[ProphetofGanja]

So... no Hocus Pocus 2, then.

Nope, it's a no-go

[Andrew NDB]

Too bad. I don't really have a horse in this race, but a Hocus Pocus 2 seems like it's as easy to do as Beetlejuice 2. All that makeup and prosthetics, will anyone even really tell they're older? And does that even matter?

[Allio]

Could have been worse.

They could have been added to Descendants

[ranger_scout]

So... no Hocus Pocus 2, then.

Too bad. I don't really have a horse in this race, but a Hocus Pocus 2 seems like it's as easy to do as Beetlejuice 2. All that makeup and prosthetics, will anyone even really tell they're older? And does that even matter?

Now there might be.

https://collider.com/hocus-pocus-2-disney-plus-writer-jen-dangelo/

[ranger_scout]

The movie will debut on Disney+ in 2022. Anne Fletcher will serve as director and Bette Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy Najimy will all reprise their roles.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/sarah-jessica-parker-bette-midler-and-kathy-najimy-officially-returning-for-hocus-pocus-sequel-1234977728/

[newfan]

The movie will debut on Disney+ in 2022. Anne Fletcher will serve as director and Bette Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy Najimy will all reprise their roles.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/sarah-jessica-parker-bette-midler-and-kathy-najimy-officially-returning-for-hocus-pocus-sequel-1234977728/

Oh, I thought the idea for this had been written off, guess that changed.

[ranger_scout]

Some plot details on the sequel have been revealed.

https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2021/06/17/hocus-pocus-2-details/

[Andrew NDB]

Seeking extras in Rhode Island.

https://komonews.com/news/entertainment/extras-needed-for-filming-of-hocus-pocus-2-in-rhode-island

[ranger_scout]

Hannah Waddingham, Sam, Richardson, and Tony Hale are the newest additions to the cast. Doug Jones is also reprising the role of Billy Butcherson.

https://deadline.com/2021/10/hocus-pocus-2-tony-hale-sam-richardson-hannah-waddingham-sequel-fall-2022-premiere-disney-1234865489/

[ranger_scout]

Here is the first look at the three women back in character.

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/HocusPocus.jpeg?w=1024

https://deadline.com/2021/11/hocus-pocus-2-first-look-disney-sequel-bette-midler-sarah-jessica-parker-kathy-najimy-1234872574/

[Mayhem]

Midler doesn't look like she's aged in character there heh.

[ranger_scout]

Filming has wrapped.

https://thedisinsider.com/2022/01/27/hocus-pocus-2-wraps-filming/

The movie will premiere on Disney+ this Halloween.

https://deadline.com/2022/01/hocus-pocus-2-producer-adam-shankman-unveils-premiere-date-1234872574/

[ranger_scout]

Here is the trailer.

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[ranger_scout]

The movie will be released on Disney+ tomorrow. Here are interviews with Midler, Najimy, and Parker.

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[oldmanwinters]

I never really thought the original was more than something to toss into a holiday movie marathon but some 30/40 somethings are really into it. I had no idea, but glad they could get their sequel fix 30 years later.

[mrmaczaps]

Pretty terrible over all with a few moderately funny bits... the 3 bitc...witches look well past due... just a cash grab but a woke company peddling kids trying desperately to stay afloat.... nothing to write home about.

[Leo656]

I never really thought the original was more than something to toss into a holiday movie marathon but some 30/40 somethings are really into it. I had no idea, but glad they could get their sequel fix 30 years later.

Yeah, I wasn't a 10-year old girl when the original came out, and so I think it's "okay I guess" but genuinely never understood the obsession some people have over it. And I never for a moment thought there was anything left to ever justify a sequel, other than "Well, nowadays every movie gets a 30 Years Too Late follow-up and that alone seems to be enough to get some people excited for things."

I gotta be honest, I don't hate it or anything but the only thing I ever gave a sh*t about in the original was whatsername with the sweater bags. Who apparently isn't in the new one and so I officially have no reason to care at all.

My wife is one of those SUPER obsessed people, though, so I'm sure she'll force me to see the new one eventually. I have no interest, but I should probably just go along. I once said the first movie was "Eh" and that started a legit "WHY DO YOU HATE EVERYTHING?" fight. :lol:

[oldmanwinters]

Other than Bette Midler’s fake teeth, the one song, and SMG’s “amuck,” what makes the first movie especially memorable? Most cult classics have to be at least “quotable” to earn their fanbase.

[Leo656]

The one girl's tits in that sweater were pretty memorable.

Maybe not AS memorable as the fact that they managed to make Sarah Jessica Parker look reasonably attractive for five minutes. That, I must say, must have taken a lot of spackle and duct tape.

Otherwise yeah I got nothin', I really think people do just remember the big musical number and that's that. I know I come off as an elitist dick about 93% of the time but sometimes I truly just don't get how or why some people are so easily amused by some things. It's their business, glad they're happy, I just don't understand it in the slightest. Liking that song or the movie itself is Fine, it's just the obsession I don't get, or how people trip over themselves to illustrate that obsession on social media.

And I do find it maybe more than a little pathetic that a bunch of people who are about to be AARP-eligible are all over social media every October, but this October in particular, gushing loudly about their unironic love of a mediocre children's movie from the Clinton Administration era.

But then October just seems to drive white women nuts in general. :lol:

[oldmanwinters]

The one girl's tits in that sweater were pretty memorable.

Maybe not AS memorable as the fact that they managed to make Sarah Jessica Parker look reasonably attractive for five minutes. That, I must say, must have taken a lot of spackle and duct tape.

Otherwise yeah I got nothin', I really think people do just remember the big musical number and that's that. I know I come off as an elitist dick about 93% of the time but sometimes I truly just don't get how or why some people are so easily amused by some things. It's their business, glad they're happy, I just don't understand it in the slightest. Liking that song or the movie itself is Fine, it's just the obsession I don't get, or how people trip over themselves to illustrate that obsession on social media.

And I do find it maybe more than a little pathetic that a bunch of people who are about to be AARP-eligible are all over social media every October, but this October in particular, gushing loudly about their unironic love of a mediocre children's movie from the Clinton Administration era.

But then October just seems to drive white women nuts in general. :lol:

Dang I already forgot it was SJP not SMG.

[Leo656]

I'm pretty sure that the slang insult term "(Woman's Name) looks like a foot" was 100% started by that Family Guy joke about Sarah Jessica Parker, and I gotta say, that's about as accurate of an insult as I've ever heard. It's barely even an exaggeration, draw eyeballs on the sole of someone's foot and stick a blonde wig on there, you have Sarah Jessica Parker, right down to wrinkle placement and skin texture. It's pretty uncanny, actually.

You can tell that the writer/producer of Sex and the City had a weird crush on her, somehow, because that's the only explanation for why she'd ever be portrayed as some kind of sex symbol, especially on any show where Kim Cattrall was like right over there.

[Coola Yagami]

From what I heard, other than overwhelming praise for the movie, I heard a brave few say they ruined the witched by being sympathetic. Even when they literally eat children, women just can't be allowed to be villains because they're ****ing evil anymore.

[Leo656]

To be fair that's true of every villain nowadays, not just female villains. Bad Guys simply are not "allowed" to be bad guys. Everyone has some kind of tragic backstory or are simply "misunderstood", even though in real life Sociopaths and Psychopaths exist and that's the reality.

I blame "Wicked" and its partly why I have no patience for THAT thing, either. That was what started the "every villain is just a Misunderstood Hero" trope, which is not only provably false but a very dangerous message to send to people, especially impressionable young people.

[Coola Yagami]

To be fair that's true of every villain nowadays, not just female villains. Bad Guys simply are not "allowed" to be bad guys. Everyone has some kind of tragic backstory or are simply "misunderstood", even though in real life Sociopaths and Psychopaths exist and that's the reality.

I blame "Wicked" and its partly why I have no patience for THAT thing, either. That was what started the "every villain is just a Misunderstood Hero" trope, which is not only provably false but a very dangerous message to send to people, especially impressionable young people.

Ahhh but only if the villain isn't white. Then they're just evil cause they're evil and flaunt their misogynistic white privilege and toxic masculinity in your face while mansplaining and manspreading just because.

I remember one of the reasons the Joker movie got 'woke backlash' was because how they dare they make a white villain sympathetic and misunderstood?

[Leo656]

Ehhhh they've been trying to do it with Lex Luthor since "Smallville", too, with the "Daddy didn't love me and that's why I'm a bad person" stuff. Which is a pretty far cry from the Classic Coke flavor "I murdered my parents for the insurance money, not because they were abusive but because I'm selfish, greedy, impatient, and they were simply in my way" Lex Luthor.

Like, in real life MOST of the biggest assholes are simply assholes for no reason, or that they perceive compassion and charity as weakness. Yes, abuse turns good people rotten and it happens often, but the worst people humanity has ever known were always bad. For example, I have traits of a sociopath, but I'm not literally A Sociopath, because I do occasionally have sincere feelings of compassion and empathy. A sociopath can't feel those things at all, ever, as they were not born with the mental capacity to feel them. To them, NOT stealing, raping, or killing makes no sense, because "I want to, so I should be allowed to if I can get away with it."

A character like Lex - at least Evil Businessman Lex - works so much better as a textbook sociopath than as an ignored or abused Daddy's Boy. The latter would actually come by his acts of charity and goodwill honestly, because having been a "less fortunate" he would still have an inkling of compassion for those people and would sincerely want to help them. However we all know that Lex actually only does good things for PR reasons and to puff up his public image. He has zero actual empathy and that's been established. Therefore, he's simply a True Sociopath and just plain bad person, not someone who "broke bad". Joker, too, if you really want to get into it.

This is where I run into a huge disconnect with a lot of Liberals. They will loudly advocate - rightly - for more resources devoted to mental health. But they will ALSO very aggressively deny the notion that "some people are just plain bad people." But this makes no sense, as it is BECAUSE we have more resources than ever before to study and understand mental health that we know, for a fact, that Sociopathy and Psychopathy are real and untreatable conditions, that some people are REALLY bad and all you can do is lock them up or kill them. So they try and have it both ways, push for better understanding of mental health BUT then refute the findings when it turns out those findings are "mean". They will insist that there's no such thing as a "bad person" and that people only do bad things because they were picked on or downtrodden. Even though the mental health resources that they themselves have advocated for prove the exact opposite. It's very strange.

But yeah, can't have Actual Villains in movies and TV shows anymore, even though some people really are villains and don't need any reason beyond they're wired like that. This is why so many women think they're gonna "fix" the boyfriend who cheats on them and gets drunk and hits them, for example. "He's just misunderstood, he's not REALLY a bad person! I saw in a movie how Cruella de Ville is actually a misunderstood super-hero and now I think Real Life works like that." It's very dangerous and irresponsible to put that kind of thing out into the world, frankly. It gets people into real trouble when they think every sociopath they meet is only like that because someone spanked them as a kid or stole their bike or whatever.

[Mayhem]

Watched it this afternoon. I really enjoyed it, yes it’s not as good as the original but I wasn’t disappointed, quite a few call backs to the original film is one way or another, and some actually really well done pop culture jokes. The kids who played the Sandersons in the flashback did really well too.

I never really thought the original was more than something to toss into a holiday movie marathon but some 30/40 somethings are really into it. I had no idea, but glad they could get their sequel fix 30 years later.
Well there was a sequel book out literally three years ago and the plot of that doesn’t really follow the film for the most part. According to brothers fiancée who is a major HP fan.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm pretty sure that the slang insult term "(Woman's Name) looks like a foot" was 100% started by that Family Guy joke about Sarah Jessica Parker, and I gotta say, that's about as accurate of an insult as I've ever heard. It's barely even an exaggeration, draw eyeballs on the sole of someone's foot and stick a blonde wig on there, you have Sarah Jessica Parker, right down to wrinkle placement and skin texture. It's pretty uncanny, actually.

You can tell that the writer/producer of Sex and the City had a weird crush on her, somehow, because that's the only explanation for why she'd ever be portrayed as some kind of sex symbol, especially on any show where Kim Cattrall was like right over there.

I never saw "Sex and the City" so my first exposure to SJP was "LA Story," with Steve Martin. I thought she was... pretty cute in that.

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But she aged a lot after that and very quickly.

[ZariusTwo]

A third one is happening

https://wdwnt.com/2023/06/breaking-hocus-pocus-3-will-be-happening/

[IMJ]

I always felt like "Sex and the City" was a blatant rip off of a show that was on when I was a teenager called "Dream On". But Sex and the City hasn't been forgotten the way Dream On has, sooo....

[Andrew NDB]

I always felt like "Sex and the City" was a blatant rip off of a show that was on when I was a teenager called "Dream On". But Sex and the City hasn't been forgotten the way Dream On has, sooo....

I remember Dream On. It used clips from like old 50s shows and stuff to drive home points and such, which is also the reason it's been so hard or at least too costly to get it streamed or anything. I'm not even sure, did the DVD version strip out that stuff?

Herman's Head, too. That was sort of around the same time.