Topics which turn you into an obnoxious elitist

[Davetello]

Following on from the wars observed in relation the 2014 film (which I haven't been part of), name a topic which you might be snobby and sanctimonious about. For example, Leo656 might be considered by some to be elitist when it comes to Superman & his disdain for Smallville. MsMarvelDuckie might be elitist when it comes to Marvel (not saying she is, just giving an example of what might be like).

For me, it would be the footballer Cristiano Ronaldo. I think he's an overrated fraud and whenever I see someone say he's as good as or better than fellow footballer Lionel Messi I just assume they're clueless and ignore their future opinions on football. To be fair I'm 100% right as only morons rate Ronaldo above Messi. I also have fair reason to think this as Ronaldo seems to have an army of clueless 12 year old sycophantic fanboys who are in love with him and have only been watching football since 2009. There are more holes in their arguments than in an Amsterdam brothel. It certainly doesn't help that Ronaldo himself is a slimy weasel.

So as you can see, I am very elitist when it comes to certain football/soccer debates (although in the case above my view is the correct one). So which subject(s) turn you into an obnoxious pr!ck?

[Dirty Blond]

Films for sure. I much prefer serious, foreign language pictures to 99% of anything Hollywood puts out. My favorite would be Persona by Ingmar Bergman.

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[CyberCubed]

In terms of real-world stuff I have no interest in politics, sports, or religion...so all the really touchy topics I have no part of. Those topics tend to make people the most defensive simply because everyone can't respect each others personal views.

I also don't really see many movies a year besides the big Hollywood ones, and I don't really listen to music either.

So its just the select few shows and videogames I watch/play but even there its not a big deal.

[Davetello]

Dirty Blond - thanks for the link there.

CC - You should take a more active interest in politics because it affects every aspect of your life.

[Metalwolf]

In terms of real-world stuff I have no interest in politics, sports, or religion...so all the really touchy topics I have no part of. Those topics tend to make people the most defensive simply because everyone can't respect each others personal views.

Of this, I definitely agree. They definitely bring out the ugly in people, and I learned long ago to try to avoid those things myself in forums. It's often people doing sanctimonious posts, preachiness, using strawmen, or putting words in another person's mouth and/or generalizing.

[ssjup81]

Hm, I don't know. Maybe something Japanese? Who knows.Of this, I definitely agree. They definitely bring out the ugly in people, and I learned long ago to try to avoid those things myself in forums. It's often people doing sanctimonious posts, preachiness, using strawmen, or putting words in another person's mouth and/or generalizing.I avoid talking about these things in real life, especially politics and relgion, unless I know the person is open-minded and can actually have a rational, adult conversation regarding it.

I'm so so with politics. I know I should be keeping up with more politics on this side of the pond, especially with Abe administration in office. Back home, I semi-kept up with politics because, as it was pointed out, it affects a lot of aspects of your life.

[pennydreadful]

So which subject(s) turn you into an obnoxious pr!ck?

Probably too many to mention. I'm sure y'all know me well enough to know at least a few topics which push my buttons. :lol:

[Commenter 42]

I'm not sure this thread was entirely necessary.

I like you Dave, but this? I don't think anyone was being an "elitist" in the other thread. The word is being used improperly for one, and two it's reinforcing the idea that having standards is snobbish; also a fallacy.

A snob might say that they only watch a certain directors films, and that is all. A snob might forego the regular seating because only Imax will do.
A snob can't wear anything BUT Fendi or Prada, but definitely not Marc Jacobs. That's a snob. they deal only in extremes, and if it's not the ultimate best of the best, it sucks.

We're hardly acting snobbish, at all.

[Davetello]

I'm not sure this thread was entirely necessary.

I like you Dave, but this? I don't think anyone was being an "elitist" in the other thread. The word is being used improperly for one, and two it's reinforcing the idea that having standards is snobbish; also a fallacy.

A snob might say that they only watch a certain directors films, and that is all. A snob might forego the regular seating because only Imax will do.
A snob can't wear anything BUT Fendi or Prada, but definitely not Marc Jacobs. That's a snob. they deal only in extremes, and if it's not the ultimate best of the best, it sucks.

We're hardly acting snobbish, at all.

Perhaps this is a misunderstanding - I'm not necessarily saying that I personally find it snobbish in there. I'm saying that the subject of elitism has cropped up (rightly or wrongly). I'm using that example of a debate over the issue of elitism on this forum as a simple intro to my thread.

For the record, I can see the views of both sides on the 2014 film and don't have a strong view either way. I certainly don't have anything against you and I enjoy your posts, for the most part.

Oh, & I also agree that the film was very poor. But I generally stayed clear because it didn't feel right for me to tell people that they were wrong to enjoy it, even if it could do great harm to the future of the franchise.

[Lethal Lullaby]

In terms of real-world stuff I have no interest in politics, sports, or religion...so all the really touchy topics I have no part of. Those topics tend to make people the most defensive simply because everyone can't respect each others personal views.

Yeah. I have no interest in any of those three you listed at all either.

For me, well I can't think of anything that I become obnoxious about at the moment. Haha. Oh wait. I think perhaps when I know how a certain character acts/ is supposed to act. Then someone is protraying that character like wayyy wrong, and I feel the need to correct them.
Sometimes I do correct them. >u<

[snake]

Star Wars, Marvel, and TMNT. I'll correct anyone who mentions something wrong on any of those topics.

[Netkeeper]

Roleplaying.

You're probably not better at it than I am. The roleplay community is full of idiots that don't know their heads from their asses.

[slashpieturtlemix]

Hm. For me it would be history, Gundam, G I Joe, and tons of things nerdy lol named my store after myself lol

[pennydreadful]

Good one, Snake - you just reminded me of one of my major ones: discussing the changes Lucas made to the OT turns me into a frothing elitist. I can roll with some of what he did for the 97 versions, but everything after that... nyyyygh.

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[Jephael]

Back to the Future is something I can be very passionate about, and I could go for days discussing various what-ifs within that universe.

[Slade]

Id have to go with Superman, Jordans and DBZ

[ssjup81]

Good one, Snake - you just reminded me of one of my major ones: discussing the changes Lucas made to the OT turns me into a frothing elitist. I can roll with some of what he did for the 97 versions, but everything after that... nyyyygh.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8fu3etzdf1r6v7x1.gifYou know, it's been so long since I've seen the original versions of the trilogy that I can't recall what's been added (aside from the obvious) and changed. My family still have the original trilogy on Beta, though. Whenever I go home, maybe I'll ask my folks to dig out the Beta tapes and the Beta tape player and watch them.

[pennydreadful]

Oh yeah, look - there were things that were annoying about the 97 editions... like changing it so that Greedo shot first instead of Han... but then there was also some good tidying up of the SFX and putting in a new song for the ending of Jedi, which I thought was far better than what was in the original theatrical releases. By and large, I have very few issues with the 97 releases - I think anything in them that does bug me is probably just that in some of the additions/changes in those versions, you can see the seeds of Lucas's later histrionics.

However, when you jump forward to the 2006 and blu-ray edits - I cannot roll with the changes he made to the Emperor/Vader discussion in Empire, the addition of the "Nooooooo" in the climactic throne room scene in Jedi and adding in Hayden Christensen and taking out Sebastian Shaw for the end of Jedi. Those just rip me up.

I think adding in Ewoks blinking is stupid, but I could ignore it if he'd just left the stuff with emotional context alone.

[ssjup81]

Oh yeah, look - there were things that were annoying about the 97 editions... like changing it so that Greedo shot first instead of Han... but then there was also some good tidying up of the SFX and putting in a new song for the ending of Jedi, which I thought was far better than what was in the original theatrical releases. By and large, I have very few issues with the 97 releases - I think anything in them that does bug me is probably just that in some of the additions/changes in those versions, you can see the seeds of Lucas's later histrionics.

However, when you jump forward to the 2006 and blu-ray edits - I cannot roll with the changes he made to the Emperor/Vader discussion in Empire, the addition of the "Nooooooo" in the climactic throne room scene in Jedi and adding in Hayden Christensen and taking out Sebastian Shaw for the end of Jedi. Those just rip me up.

I think adding in Ewoks blinking is stupid, but I could ignore it if he'd just left the stuff with emotional context alone.The "no" makes me laugh every time, but I hadn't seen the originals in so long, I forgot that it wasn't originally there.

The other stuff you mentioned I knew about (Han shooting scene, for example), the change to the end of Return of the Jedi with whiny PMS Hayden, for instance...OH and the unnecessary junk in the bar. That weird alien singing was so pointless. Maybe enhancing some graphics or improving sound or adding in a deleted scene (like Han talking with Jabba, as they had the technology to include it) is okay. Ewoks blinking is stupid. For the 1000th re-release, we'll hear Chewbacca taking a piss offscreen or something. -_-

Anyway, what was changed in the conversation with Vader and the Emperor?

[Leo656]

Overall the 97 versions are my favorite, but I'm biased because those were the first ones I'd seen in order all the way through. Little things like the Han/Greedo shot and that song and dance in Jabba's palace I could live without, but the cleaning up of the SFX and picture quality make it an even trade-off for me. The DVD versions, that flash they added every time lightsabers hit each other is the most annoying goddamn thing ever. It's so obnoxious and it's really noticeable in the first movie since the original effects were so low-key by contrast.

In "Empire", didn't Lucas just fix it so it was actually the guy who played Palpatine in the scene, instead of the old lady done up in robes? To me that was a decent change made in the name of internal consistency, I don't have any problem with it. I mean it wasn't a problem originally, but originally Palpatine was a minor character you didn't see until the series was over. Once the prequels came out and he was a huge part of the plot of all the films, the fact that he was noticeably played by someone else in "Empire" is the kind of thing that would stand out a lot to new viewers. I thought that was acceptable and kind of necessary. Unless you meant something else about that scene.

And I'm pretty obnoxious regardless of topic.

[pennydreadful]

Anyway, what was changed in the conversation with Vader and the Emperor?

He actually altered the dialogue, which I think is sh*tty on several levels as 1) it made no sense and was unnecessary, and 2) it was the last script Leigh Brackett co-wrote on before she died, so I think it's hella disrespectful.

The dialogue is changed to:

DARTH VADER: What is thy bidding my master?

EMPEROR PALPATINE: There is a great disturbance in the force

DARTH VADER:I have felt it.

EMPEROR PALPATINE:We have a new enemy, the young rebel who destroyed the death star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.

DARTH VADER:How is that possible?

EMPEROR PALPATINE:Search your feelings, Lord Vader, you will know it to be true. He could destroy us.

DARTH VADER:He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

EMPEROR PALPATINE:The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

DARTH VADER:If he could be turned, he could become a powerful ally.

EMPEROR PALPATINE:Yes, he would be a great asset. Can it be done?

DARTH VADER:He will join us or die master.

I mean, it was stupid - there was no need to change it. "How is that possible" - WTF, they said in the opening crawl that Vader was obsessed with finding Luke. It's referred to all through the movie - his reason for sending troops down to Hoth is because he knew Luke was there; he even specifically says "That is the system, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them." He cannot honestly be dumb enough to think that hey, this kid in the Rebel Alliance just happens to have the same name.

Even if Vader was pretending that he didn't know - I mean, come on; the Emperor's not stupid. If Vader's out there cruising around in a Star Destroyer searching for him, name-dropping the kid to his commanding officers, it's not exactly subtle.

Overall the 97 versions are my favorite, but I'm biased because those were the first ones I'd seen in order all the way through.

Oh yeah, I can't rag on the 97 versions too harshly as I never would've gotten into Star Wars without them - they were the first ones I saw as well.

I should clarify, I dropped right out of the fandom for an extremely long time after the prequels - I can't stand them and I can't handle them as canon; no offense to those who do, it's my personal hangup and I fully accept that. :lol:

I rewatched the OT after the release of the new trailer and it got me thinking about how much the later edits still, to this day, piss me off.

Oh, another sucky change to Empire (from the 97 version) - having Luke scream after he tosses himself down the shaft in Bespin. Because why leave a self-sacrificing scene as is when you can throw in a Goofy-esque yodel as he flings himself to almost-certain death?

*deep breaths*

I am calm. :D

[Leo656]

Hm, I actually forgot about that one line change. Good call, definitely looks like they didn't think that one through.

Not gonna lie, I probably forgot because that scene happens right about the point in Empire where I start getting fidgety. I know it's "Everyone's Favorite" SW movie but it's not mine. Of all the original trilogy, that one seems really padded for length, despite Luke's entire Jedi training being condensed into a long weekend. I like it just fine but I've never understood the idea it's "So Much Better" than the others; other than by being "Dark" because the Bad Guys Win, there's really nothing much special about it. It's very much the Second Act of a Three-Act play, where long stretches of time passes with "nothing" happening or simply moving characters into place for the endgame. As its own self-contained piece it kind of drags. Maybe because they put the big action set piece at the beginning, and everything else that happens is kind of an anti-climax. Luke finally confronting Vader face-to-face at the end is neat, but the fight itself is so one-sided and laughable that it makes the scene kind of painful to watch, and I mean Luke is such an overconfident punk at that point you're half-hoping for him to get his ass kicked. And you know you've kind of lost control of your story when viewers are rooting for the villain over the protagonist.

I'unno, it's a good movie it's just got a lot of problems, and I think people over-elevate it a little. Like, yeah, a third of Jedi is rehash, and the Ewok stuff is kind of silly, but on the whole it's much more "fun", and the movie itself feels much more "lively" and less "sterile", so I prefer it to Empire.

I like the prequels, but I can forgive anyone for not. Personally, I think there's a lot going on in them that changes certain scenes in the original trilogy for the better. For example, whereas Luke originally was just a whiny brat for huge chunks of the films, it's a *little* more forgivable when you can see how he's acting parallel with Anakin's behavior in certain spots. Like, when you see for yourself how rash and impulsive Anakin was, a lot of Luke's behavior makes a lot more sense. Pretty sure that was on purpose. There's a lot more good things that I think those movies add to the overall series, but the acting and dialog on the whole was pretty awful and there was much too much CGI, so I can understand why some people would want to avoid them. They're fine with me.

[Gunpowder]

I'm not sure I totally understand the question.

If we're talking about controversial topics, I'm adamantly against circumcision and will talk down to anyone who tries to defend it as being a good thing (but that's just me). I might alone on that one, though.

If we're talking about nerdy stuff, then definitely Pokemon. I'll hear someone bitch about Rock Blast missing because "it has 95 accuracy", when it actually only has 90. But then I realize there's that "socially acceptable" level of nerdiness, so sometimes I hold back on correcting them... :tgrumble:

[Leo656]

That's an interesting hang-up, the circumcision thing. What's your basis? Feel free to discuss it privately if you'd rather, I'm just curious.

I've heard people theorize it traumatizes the kid but I have some really vivid memories going back to really early and that's not one of them, so I kind of call BS on that theory. Again, just curious.

[CyberCubed]

If we're talking about nerdy stuff, then definitely Pokemon. I'll hear someone bitch about Rock Blast missing because "it has 95 accuracy", when it actually only has 90. But then I realize there's that "socially acceptable" level of nerdiness, so sometimes I hold back on correcting them... :tgrumble:

LOL, the competitive battling aspect of Pokemon annoys me greatly, especially the elitists over at Smogon. I don't know how those guys memorize stats, EV traits, pokemon movesets, mathematical equations between which is better than which, etc.

They turn what a fun RPG is into some elitist competitive battling nonsense.

[Gunpowder]

That's an interesting hang-up, the circumcision thing. What's your basis? Feel free to discuss it privately if you'd rather, I'm just curious.

I've heard people theorize it traumatizes the kid but I have some really vivid memories going back to really early and that's not one of them, so I kind of call BS on that theory. Again, just curious.

Nah, it's got nothing to do with traumatizing (I highly doubt anyone who was cut as a baby remembers it - if they do, it's a rare case). Speaking non-religiously, the whole argument for having the operation done is that it's supposed to be cleaner. Statistically, dudes who are cut vs. uncut have a minimal difference in that department, because all you need to do is wash yourself. It might take more work with the extra skin, but hey, that's better than getting it snipped off permanently, if you ask me. It does have its benefits.

I can honestly think of zero legitimate benefits from being circumcised, to be totally honest. My biggest gripe is that the parents have all the say and the kid has none. It's true that the guy probably won't remember it (or the pain) if it's done as an infant, and that's probably the parents' logic a lot of the time. But, if he's older and actually has the option himself of whether to do it or not, odds are he won't do it. I mean, if you're born with it, it must not be a total burden, right? (trying very hard to avoid ranting...)

LOL, the competitive battling aspect of Pokemon annoys me greatly, especially the elitists over at Smogon. I don't know how those guys memorize stats, EV traits, pokemon movesets, mathematical equations between which is better than which, etc.

They turn what a fun RPG is into some elitist competitive battling nonsense.

Heh, yeah, it's startin' to get that way for me, too, unfortunately. :tanime: I'm definitely at the point where I pay attention to natures, EVs, IVs, what have you. And I basically know the power and accuracy of every single move. So I can't honestly complain about Smogon without being somewhat of a hypocrite.

[Leo656]

((Shrug)) I've heard there's slightly less infection risk and that on the whole, it's just easier to clean when you're circumcised, but that it's not major either way. I've also read that it makes your gear look bigger, so hey, F*ckin' A. :lol:

For sh*ts and giggles, I'll just say, I'm no pecker-checker, but as a straight guy who's seen his share (and your share, and their share, and that guy's share... A LOT, basically) of porn, and therefore of wang, if it were up to me it'd be mandatory. Non-circumcised penises look far too much like the sandworms from "Beetlejuice", and I can't abide that sh*t at all. :lol:

I get the "kids have no say" argument, but to me it's still no big deal. It's like someone of age getting a piercing or a tattoo; no, it's probably not going to make things better or worse either way, and a strong case could be made against it, but at the end of the day it won't hurt anything and it's just for aesthetics.

Anyways, thanks for sharing. Pretty sure we've grossed out a good 90% of those viewing, and I'm always down with that. :lol:

[pennydreadful]

I like the prequels, but I can forgive anyone for not. Personally, I think there's a lot going on in them that changes certain scenes in the original trilogy for the better. For example, whereas Luke originally was just a whiny brat for huge chunks of the films, it's a *little* more forgivable when you can see how he's acting parallel with Anakin's behavior in certain spots. Like, when you see for yourself how rash and impulsive Anakin was, a lot of Luke's behavior makes a lot more sense. Pretty sure that was on purpose. There's a lot more good things that I think those movies add to the overall series, but the acting and dialog on the whole was pretty awful and there was much too much CGI, so I can understand why some people would want to avoid them. They're fine with me.

Personally, I found Anakin to be a totally unlikeable douche (whereas Luke was actually likeable), but YMMV. I'm just very against the OT being changed to make it match the prequels. As I said, I've no beef with those who do enjoy them - I know that a big part of the problem lies with me, because the prequels were never going to measure up to what I had imagined in my head and the way I saw the characters' backstories, motivations, alliances etc; even before Lucas said he was going to do the prequel trilogy, I had my own take on stuff. I think where backstories are concerned, you're never going to make everyone happy for precisely that reason - not everyone is going to like what you come up with when you're dealing with already-established and much-loved characters.

I mean, I hated Wolverine's origin story in the comics as well, so it's not like it's a one-off.

I can honestly think of zero legitimate benefits from being circumcised, to be totally honest. My biggest gripe is that the parents have all the say and the kid has none. It's true that the guy probably won't remember it (or the pain) if it's done as an infant, and that's probably the parents' logic a lot of the time. But, if he's older and actually has the option himself of whether to do it or not, odds are he won't do it. I mean, if you're born with it, it must not be a total burden, right? (trying very hard to avoid ranting...)

I'm in total agreement re the circumcision thing; I think if someone wants to do it as a teen or adult, go nuts, but don't make the decision for an infant. I don't even like it when adults pierce their kids' ears - I think it's messed up to permanently alter someone's body without their permission for cosmetic reasons. If someone's foreskin doesn't roll back far enough, that's another story but just making the decision because "hey, it looks better and if we don't do it, girls won't want to f*ck him and other kids will laugh at him in the changing room"... that's just messed up, yo.

I will agree that cut looks more visually appealing, but really, we're conditioned to think that, the same way we're conditioned to think that women who don't shave are unattractive. Beauty standards are a social construct. My partner's not cut, so given that I've been up-close-and-personal with sea-cucumber for the last 10 years or so, I may have a certain perspective on the issue that others don't, but yeah. Cut or uncut has never made any difference in my sexual pleasure, I'll tell you that much, so the whole "girls like it better" thing really is reduced to just a question of aesthetics - and as I'm not down with women permanently altering their bodies solely to appeal to the opposite sex because they're told that what they have naturally is gross, so the reverse should hold true - guys shouldn't have to mangle their junk just because some girls are squicked by it. I'm in favor of leaving kids' junk alone until they decide what they want to do with it. In the meantime, teach him to clean himself properly and it's not a health issue.

[Gunpowder]

For sh*ts and giggles, I'll just say, I'm no pecker-checker, but as a straight guy who's seen his share (and your share, and their share, and that guy's share... A LOT, basically) of porn, and therefore of wang, if it were up to me it'd be mandatory. Non-circumcised penises look far too much like the sandworms from "Beetlejuice", and I can't abide that sh*t at all. :lol:

Excuse me while I try to stop laughing... :lol: Hey man, if we gross people out, so be it.

I'd say 90% of the people I have this conversation with (who are on the opposing side) mention that it makes your package look bigger as part of their argument. Aesthetically, it might look longer circumcised (not necessarily "bigger"), but it also makes it thinner; and a foreskin accounts for a large portion of a shlong's nerve endings, so the pleasure aspect is far greater if uncut. I think that's much more of an upside than just having it look subjectively bigger. Plus, the tip (glans) is biologically designed to be covered up and moisturized most of the time; otherwise, if it's constantly exposed, it rubs against everything and gets all dried out, which also takes away from that glorious feel-good moment.

People also seem to have this unanimous opinion that it looks ugly the natural way. But when it's erect, it looks fine. In the long run, it might not "hurt anything" to be cut, but I just find it totally unnecessary. Not one of those "this has to stop immediately!" types of things, but still not ideal in the slightest. Not from my perspective.

[Davetello]

I can see why some guys prefer to be cut. Sometimes when you go out in the rain you wanna wear a coat but nothing on your head - it feels good to get wet without a hood. I imagine it's the same for some men when fvcking.

[Leo656]

I'unno, I've actually thought about it and I'm glad I was cut on. Because it's definitely what I prefer, and there's NO way I'd have the stones to actually have that procedure done as a fully functioning and aware adult or semi-adult. Just the THOUGHT of anything sharper than a set of teeth going near there makes me nervous, so I'm kind of glad I didn't have to make that decision. Dead serious, I more feel like my parents did me a favor. But I can see how people would come to the opposite conclusion... I just think there's a little bit of over-thinking involved.

As far as sensitivity issues, I've never had any. I'd imagine that's probably another issue where the Pros and Cons of it are pretty slim either way.

Someone I'm friends with raised a similar issue on FB with another friend a while back about having your kids baptized, and I kind of feel the same. They raised the same issue, "Your kids had no choice in the matter", but I'm like, so what? I was baptized, I really don't know what my beliefs are in general, but I can't say on the whole I'm upset or anything by having that "decision" made for me. I figure, if there's no God, it won't matter anyways, and if there is, then great, they wanted to make sure I was "covered". At the end of the day, I got wet and got a certificate with my name on it, and I fail to see how that could ever be a huge problem. (And actually, just having that Baptismal certificate is going to help me with some legal problems I'm having on account of an erroneous birth certificate, so yeah, they actually DID do me a huge favor by removing my freedom of choice. That's why there's a thing called Circumstances. :))

I mean, I get it, but I don't get it, you know? I get why these are issues to some people, who are ostensibly thinking about the welfare of the child, but at the same time, I do think people kind of over-think things, sometimes. I never heard a child themselves complain that they were or weren't circumcised, or baptized, or pierced, or anything else, and if they came back and complained about it like 20 years later, then that person has much deeper issues. :lol: I do get the "child gave no consent" angle, I do... but if it were up to a child, they'd eat nothing but ice cream 6 meals a day, so it's not like their judgment matters regardless. It's not like we're deciding at birth if they're being indoctrinated into the Klan or anything, we're just talking about snipping some loose skin and saving them a little time in the shower later on. I just don't see it as being worthy of a crusade or anything. :lol: S'just me though.

The conversation really gets better around here when the lights go out.

[ssjup81]

In all honesty, I've always come across mothers having a circumcision performed on their infants for hygienic reasons and making it easier to keep the area clean. I don't think I've ever heard a parent say, "Yeah, we had our kid circumcised because it looks better"...but that's just my experience.

[Davetello]

It's a pain in the balls to clean as well. Well, a pain a little further away than the balls, to be more precise. Surely I can't be the only guy who finds pulling it back very painful.

Like Leo, I've seen lots of c0cks though as I too have seen way too much porn, especially really niche, weird porn. Cut doesn't necessarily look better imo.

This has been a revelation for me - I'd actually never consciously thought about the merits or not of circumcision until Gunpowder mentioned the issue.

Btw, I was under the impression that most American men were cut. Is that wrong?

[Leo656]

:lol: We talkin' stuff with midgets, Dave? Because I'll see you two Midgets and raise you a Granny. :lol: (My father's Porn Closet... contained horrors.)

I don't think guys often get a chance to discuss the matter of circumcision. I feel it's considered "impolite", or something they're Not Supposed To Talk About. I've actually had friends who didn't know what a circumcision was until they saw porn, or else they weren't but every one they'd ever seen was, and they had never had it explained to them so they thought they had something "wrong" with them. I don't know, it doesn't come up a lot and I'm not entirely sure why.

I couldn't give you statistics, Dave, but I think at one point it was a "standard" procedure that started falling out of favor in the late-70s or so. Like, it's often thought of as a Jewish thing, but my family's Catholic and it's just the universal thing. I think at one point it was an "Everybody's doing it!" kinda thing, but then someone published a theory that it could cause trauma and after that it started getting scaled back. So it's less common than it was, but I'd wager it's probably still a majority. Just a guess though, never took a survey. :lol:

[Davetello]

How about an amalgamation? Midget grannies? I've seen gloryholes, bukkake, watersports, BDSM, you name it. Not something to crow about but yeah, I'm depraved. I have to admit I like older women and dwarves are very sexy in those clips.

When I was young (very young, 17 or 18 ) a mate and me actually masturbated together watching a porn movie. I felt pretty uncomfortable if I'm being honest, and it's not something I can imagine doing again. I did see that he was uncut through and didn't keep himself 'tidy' down below. Sometimes I watch these porn films and see women sucking lots of tools at once, and I wonder how these straight guys can stand to have another man's tool rub against theirs, or another guy's sperm on their **** as it drips from her mouth.

The above might sound homophobic but I don't really think so. I'm a straight man so i really don't get how other supposedly straight men don't mind another guy's bell rubbing against theirs. Fvck that.

Yeah, this post has been filthy, but the topic has turned to penises so fvck it.

[Leo656]

Gross.

:lol: HAH just wanted to see if you were paying attention. That's twisted, and you're funny.

My "tastes" are more standard, though I know what you mean because I have a preference for watching the Group stuff myself. The same thought has crossed my mind, because you see guys "crossing swords" quite a lot just out of space limitations and all that. :lol: I guess you just have to be really secure in yourself to do that stuff, and when it came down to it, the breeding urge can override the "ick" urge. Like, if me and another guy were both gonna get it on with, I'unno, Nina Hartley in her prime, and in the heat of the moment, "Oops, they touched!", would I be more overcome with the fact that "that" happened, have to go collect myself, need therapy to assure me I'm as hetero as I ever was... or would I immediately ignore it and move on with Business because, Holy Sh*t, I'm about to nail Nina Hartley? If I'm being honest, it's the latter. :lol:

[Davetello]

Gross.

:lol: HAH just wanted to see if you were paying attention. That's twisted, and you're funny.

My "tastes" are more standard, though I know what you mean because I have a preference for watching the Group stuff myself. The same thought has crossed my mind, because you see guys "crossing swords" quite a lot just out of space limitations and all that. :lol: I guess you just have to be really secure in yourself to do that stuff, and when it came down to it, the breeding urge can override the "ick" urge. Like, if me and another guy were both gonna get it on with, I'unno, Nina Hartley in her prime, and in the heat of the moment, "Oops, they touched!", would I be more overcome with the fact that "that" happened, have to go collect myself, need therapy to assure me I'm as hetero as I ever was... or would I immediately ignore it and move on with Business because, Holy Sh*t, I'm about to nail Nina Hartley? If I'm being honest, it's the latter. :lol:

Ninja Hartley is the business.

:lol:
I know what you mean. On reflection I pondered my alleged heterosexuality. I mean I was watching porn and I stopped focusing on the female to think about the guys' ***** crossing paths? Maybe I'm not as straight as I think I am :lol:

For a while I had this bizarre fixation with male stripper porn. I'm not talking about that clearly staged sh!t like Dancing Bear, I'm talking about some of the British stuff like The Loverboys. Now, obviously they employ some fluffers, but it's clear and well-known that many of the women who attend these shows are just regular people with partners etc. Yet in these videos they're sucking off the strippers. It's obviously morally reprehensible but I couldn't help but be fascinated at how regular housewives could do that sort of thing without a hint of guilt. Imagine being a guy browsing for that sort of thing and seeing your gf sucking some buff stripper's knob :lol: :lol: Like I say it's ethically fvkced up but the sheer slutty nature of it really does it for me. These guys have the best job in the world after footballers, although most of the strippers are probably gay anyway.

Bukkake is my favourite though. I like to see 'em get totally drenched.

This has gone way, way too far. The under 18s should be banned from the topic. And man, Plastroncafe is gonna have a field day with this objectification of women, A fvcking field day!

[Mayhem]

How have we gone from Star Wars to circumcision and then bukkake? Only the internet :lol:

(for the record, I'm not cut, but that's pretty much the norm in the UK, and the American girlfriends I've had, have commented... they kinda preferred it that way for multiple reasons heh)

In "Empire", didn't Lucas just fix it so it was actually the guy who played Palpatine in the scene, instead of the old lady done up in robes?
Old lady?! :lol:

It was a bloke (Ian Revill) in heavy make-up, in the same way it was Ian McDiarmid in heavy make-up for RotJ. I do agree in the context of things, changing the hologram to be McDiarmid in Empire was a better choice. Maybe not quite changing the voice of Fett though, because even a clone wouldn't necessarily end up with the same voice as his father...

[Davetello]

How have we gone from Star Wars to circumcision? Only the internet :lol:



Lightsabers.

[Leo656]

Ah, yeah, I seen some of that stuff you mentioned, Dave. Had some of the same thoughts. I know there's places where if you're a chick getting married you can actually sign up for that, go like on a cruise with a bunch of your girlfriends, have an "interactive" male stripper show, and have the whole thing recorded basically as a source of revenue for their website (which is like WHY would you want that as a souvenir? Especially when, as you said, that stuff can come back to haunt you later on). Some of it's clearly staged as you said but yeah, you can tell the difference. I mean any normal person with the money can sign up to take part in that, which boggles my mind. I mean, sure, fun to watch, but as you said, pretty degenerate behavior on the whole.

A girl I knew was talking about doing that for her bachelorette party and seemed dead serious. ((Shakes head)) I'unno whatever happened with that, but after hearing her enthusiasm for the idea, I'd never let MY wife attend any of her social functions without me if they were friends, let's just put it that way. If that's how she planned the party before her wedding I'd hate to see what she would plan for her inevitable divorce. :lol:

[Commenter 42]

How about an amalgamation? Midget grannies? I've seen gloryholes, bukkake, watersports, BDSM, you name it. Not something to crow about but yeah, I'm depraved. I have to admit I like older women and dwarves are very sexy in those clips.

When I was young (very young, 17 or 18 ) a mate and me actually masturbated together watching a porn movie.




God I love freedom of speech.

Circumcision is faked up, sure, but I've only heard negative things from women I know IRL about uncircumcised men, which is messed up though, when you consider the travesty of female circumcision. It's a horror for women but for men in North America it's, almost standard? ( I know it's done differently for women, and am not suggesting it should be done to any woman, ever, obviously). Just think it's a bit of a double standard. You'd think by now the practice would have died off.

For any one that is uncut, is cleaning really that big of a deal?
I would love to know if it really feels that much better when your uncut, not that there's anyway to make a comparison of course.

[Davetello]

Ah, yeah, I seen some of that stuff you mentioned, Dave. Had some of the same thoughts. I know there's places where if you're a chick getting married you can actually sign up for that, go like on a cruise with a bunch of your girlfriends, have an "interactive" male stripper show, and have the whole thing recorded basically as a source of revenue for their website (which is like WHY would you want that as a souvenir? Especially when, as you said, that stuff can come back to haunt you later on). Some of it's clearly staged as you said but yeah, you can tell the difference. I mean any normal person with the money can sign up to take part in that, which boggles my mind. I mean, sure, fun to watch, but as you said, pretty degenerate behavior on the whole.

A girl I knew was talking about doing that for her bachelorette party and seemed dead serious. ((Shakes head)) I'unno whatever happened with that, but after hearing her enthusiasm for the idea, I'd never let MY wife attend any of her social functions without me if they were friends, let's just put it that way. If that's how she planned the party before her wedding I'd hate to see what she would plan for her inevitable divorce. :lol:

Exactly. The whole thing is fvked up but it's a turn on because it's a taboo. It is totally degenerate behaviour but there's something really kinky about a married woman turning up at her mate's hen party and sucking off some random stripper. I rarely watch it now but back in early 2010 I did develop a fixation, as I say.

The amazing thing is that most of these strippers aren't even attractive, facially. But they do have great bodies and large penises, and that's obviously the attraction for the females who go. They wanna have a laugh with their friends and play with some large you-know-whats.

The whole thing is generally sick though. I've read posts online from women who claim to have attended these things. Of course you can't tell who's lying, who's exaggerating, and who's a man posing as a woman, but you have to assume from the sheer volume of responses that some are genuine and legitimate. Some of them seem to go by the manrta "what my man doesn't know won't hurt him" which is well fvkced up. Imagine being a doormat for these slappers. :o

[Davetello]

God I love freedom of speech.

Circumcision is faked up, sure, but I've only heard negative things from women I know IRL about uncircumcised men, which is messed up though, when you consider the travesty of female circumcision. It's a horror for women but for men in North America it's, almost standard? ( I know it's done differently for women, and am not suggesting it should be done to any woman, ever, obviously). Just think it's a bit of a double standard. You'd think by now the practice would have died off.

For any one that is uncut, is cleaning really that big of a deal?
I would love to know if it really feels that much better when your uncut, not that there's anyway to make a comparison of course.

Hahaha yeah. I probably went over the top there but fvck it.

I think that's a cultural thing. Over here most men aren't cut so women don't care. In the US I believe that many men are cut so lots of women might be more used to that. There is a double standard though, as you say.

Cleaning is pretty uncomfortable, aye. We're getting into extremely personal territory here, but I'm pretty sensitive so pulling back the hood and feeling hot water on there is actually sort of painful for me. I certainly don't enjoy that part of maintaining daily hygiene. Also, if you ever miss a shower for a day or two (which has happened to me in the past because of depression) it really does get nasty down there :o

So yeah, being uncut isn't great from a practical perspective.

[Leo656]

Got ya covered. :tcool: ((Awful Pun Totally Intended))

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You're All Welcome.

[Commenter 42]

Hunh. Good to know.

A friend just had a kid, and the topic came up. They elected to have it done, and I suddenly found myself asking myself what I would do if it was my kid.

I'm staying far away from the porn convo. As much as I'd love to engage, enough folks are just looking for a reason with me these days.

As for the women "sneaking away" to these bachelorette parties, lol, I learned long ago, to let go. It's not for me to try and control, or give permission. The more you try to stop someones urges, the worse they get, and the more you'll be resented.
We're all just people at the end of the day. If you got an itch, scratch it. just be safe when you do, and get tested often.

[Davetello]

Leo - for guys in our thirties we really are easily amused :).

Commenter-

I get what you're saying, mate. People will do what they want to do. As for your hypothetical kid, I'd say you should let him grow and decide for himself.

[Commenter 42]

Leo - for guys in our thirties we really are easily amused :).

Commenter-

I get what you're saying, mate. People will do what they want to do. As for your hypothetical kid, I'd say you should let him grow and decide for himself.

Yeah, but seriously? I can't think of a single guy who'd elect to have it done later in life.

[Leo656]

Robin and his Merry Men sure didn't seem too thrilled with the idea. :tlol:

"Nah, I forgot, man, I already GOT one..." :tgrin:

[Davetello]

Yeah, but seriously? I can't think of a single guy who'd elect to have it done later in life.

Believe it or not reading through this topic has made me think it might be worth it. I reckon there are plenty of drawbacks to being uncut. Some I have illustrated above, and then there's the possibility that being cut is less risky for infections.

Robin and his Merry Men sure didn't seem too thrilled with the idea. :tlol:

"Nah, I forgot, man, I already GOT one..." :tgrin:

rofl. Wtf has happened to my topic? :lol:

[Candy Kappa]

I too really hate circumcision, it's an absolutely horrible custom. Beit by religious reasons or cosmetics reasons, it's barbaric and unnecessary ( and in rare cases the bady have died because of the procedure)

And getting cut because it's easier to clean it, sounds like one of the laziest things ever. Might as well pull out the fingernails as well, easier then clipping them now and then. :roll:

[Commenter 42]

So here's the million dollar question; will this thread get shut down due to human sexual conversation, while another stays up with inter species sexual conversation? (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=47327)

The answer, may surprise you.

[Commenter 42]

I too really hate circumcision, it's an absolutely horrible custom. Beit by religious reasons or cosmetics reasons, it's barbaric and unnecessary ( and in rare cases the bady have died because of the procedure)

And getting cut because it's easier to clean it, sounds like one of the laziest things ever. Might as well pull out the fingernails as well, easier then clipping them now and then. :roll:

Pretty sure pulling out fingernails....

Oh...sorry, I see what you did there ;)

[Davetello]

And getting cut because it's easier to clean it, sounds like one of the laziest things ever. Might as well pull out the fingernails as well, easier then clipping them now and then. :roll:

Well, you don't know what it's like to have a penis. It has nothing to do with laziness - it can be very painful to clean, at least for me it is. In saying that I'm not sure it would be any easier cut.

So here's the million dollar question; will this thread get shut down due to human sexual conversation, while another stays up with inter species sexual conversation? (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=47327)

The answer, may surprise you.

lol

[Candy Kappa]

There have been a lot debate about the topic in Norway, especially after a baby died from it back in 2012. And there's been 2 deaths this year.

It's difficult to make it prohibited like female gentialia mutilation, since male gentialia mutilation is wider spread. But for the most part only Jews and Muslims performs it on their children her. It's estimated around 2000 babies is being mutilated each year, and about a 100 of them gets complications later.

[Davetello]

There have been a lot debate about the topic in Norway, especially after a baby died from it back in 2012. And there's been 2 deaths this year.

It's difficult to make it prohibited like female gentialia mutilation, since male gentialia mutilation is wider spread. But for the most part only Jews and Muslims performs it on their children her. It's estimated around 2000 babies is being mutilated each year, and about a 100 of them gets complications later.

Thanks for letting us know. It's certainly a controversial topic.

[pennydreadful]

Yeah, but seriously? I can't think of a single guy who'd elect to have it done later in life.

I dunno, I mean, heaps of dudes have vasectomies... and it's done under general anaesthesia.

Believe it or not reading through this topic has made me think it might be worth it. I reckon there are plenty of drawbacks to being uncut. Some I have illustrated above, and then there's the possibility that being cut is less risky for infections.

End of the day, what a dude does with his junk is his business - I just feel that they should be given the choice about something that, well, is pretty f*cking personal. Again though, it's not my place to say what should go on when it comes to mens' dicks.

[Davetello]

End of the day, what a dude does with his junk is his business - I just feel that they should be given the choice about something that, well, is pretty f*cking personal. Again though, it's not my place to say what should go on when it comes to mens' dicks.

I agree. They should be allowed to make that choice themselves, as men. Agency is important.

You'd be surprised just how many women think it IS their place to say what goes on with mens' dicks :lol:

[Commenter 42]

I agree. They should be allowed to make that choice themselves, as men. Agency is important.

You'd be surprised just how many women think it IS their place to say what goes on with mens' dicks :lol:

Well, at times, they do have providence.

[Davetello]

Well, at times, they do have providence.

:lol: Very true

[Jester]

"Man, I bet this has got some feathers ruffled..."
*1 1/2 pages about wangs.
https://33.media.tumblr.com/ab79c0fba5e35251b470234e830bed4f/tumblr_mxwz17aMXb1qcm0m3o1_400.gif

[Davetello]

"Man, I bet this has got some feathers ruffled..."
*1 1/2 pages about wangs.
https://33.media.tumblr.com/ab79c0fba5e35251b470234e830bed4f/tumblr_mxwz17aMXb1qcm0m3o1_400.gif

Could be worse - could be 1 1/2 inches about wangs.

[Jester]

Could be worse - could be 1 1/2 inches about wangs.

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On circumcision, don't remember mine...don't have any issues with mine...can understand the consent issue.

[Davetello]

It is a far more common occurrence for you guys across the pond. It's relatively rare over here.

[Mayhem]

It is a far more common occurrence for you guys across the pond. It's relatively rare over here.
Yeah, I've had more than one American girlfriend, and they've all said I'm the only guy they've been with who hasn't been cut. Adds a bit of girth. Girth is good. Now that's a f***ed up Gordon Gecko quote :lol:

[Gunpowder]

Dammit. These conversations always get most interesting while I'm asleep. :roll:

I too really hate circumcision, it's an absolutely horrible custom. Beit by religious reasons or cosmetics reasons, it's barbaric and unnecessary ( and in rare cases the bady have died because of the procedure)

And getting cut because it's easier to clean it, sounds like one of the laziest things ever. Might as well pull out the fingernails as well, easier then clipping them now and then. :roll:
This chick gets it. You don't need to have a dick to understand the problems with getting part of it cut off.


End of the day, what a dude does with his junk is his business - I just feel that they should be given the choice about something that, well, is pretty f*cking personal.

Absolutely. :thumbsup:

Believe it or not reading through this topic has made me think it might be worth it. I reckon there are plenty of drawbacks to being uncut. Some I have illustrated above, and then there's the possibility that being cut is less risky for infections.
Wanna trade shlongs? :lol: We're in two totally opposite situations, my friend. But in all seriousness, I'd strongly advise against getting that done, because there's no going back once you do. And there's no guarantee you'll like it more the other way; eventually you might think it was a bad idea, but by then it'll be too late. No doubt it's harder to clean as long as you've got foreskin, but I imagine I'd get used to that after a while.

[Jester]

I'd strongly advise against getting that done, because there's no going back once you do.
Not entirely true...there are procedures to attempt to restore the foreskin.

Man...this topic took an odd 180...

[Jephael]

Man...this topic took an odd 180...

Tell me about it. I mention my favorite time travel movie and nobody bats an eye. Somebody starts talking about their reproductive organs and that's the hot topic of this thread. :trolleye:

[Cure]

Talking about one's own (and other people's) dick is irresistible, apparently.

[Gunpowder]

Not entirely true...there are procedures to attempt to restore the foreskin.

Man...this topic took an odd 180...

True, but based on what I've read, that stuff isn't all that reliable (I wouldn't expect it to be, either). It's called "tugging", if I remember correctly, and there are devices for it and all that jazz - but it's exactly how you described it: an attempt. Once you start getting into all of that, you're taking a risk, as there's never a guarantee you'll get the result you want; so I personally wouldn't even bother with it. It seems a bit desperate and last resort-ish to me.

And hey, at least we've moved on from talking about porn and midget grannies. :tlol:

[Peanut]

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/3204840swsw.gif

[Gunpowder]

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/3204840swsw.gif

Can't say I blame you.

[Metalwolf]

One thing I'm wondering is, if a bunch of guys pee at a row of urinals, why are guys afraid to look down at another guy's dong or stand too close together?

Why not just the proactive thing, and then offer the next guy a compliment? Like say "Wow, your junk looks impressive in size."

[snake]

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Thanks Peanut

[Commenter 42]

One thing I'm wondering is, if a bunch of guys pee at a row of urinals, why are guys afraid to look down at another guy's dong or stand too close together?

Why not just the proactive thing, and then offer the next guy a compliment? Like say "Wow, your junk looks impressive in size."


Because we're there to take a piss, not get punched in the face.
Looking at strangers dick is an invasion of privacy.

[ssjup81]

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/3204840swsw.gifYep, this thread has gotten to this point. :lol:

[pennydreadful]

I'd think if dudes were that worried about privacy, they'd pee in a stall instead. :-?

Then again, the idea of nudity in any form being kept private is foreign to me - when I lived at home, the other (female) members of my family walking in and out while I was in the shower/in the bathroom was a common occurrence. My nana grew up in a large household with very little privacy; it was kind of the norm. So yeah - admittedly, my upbringing might have something to do with my blase` attitude towards people seeing my rump roast. :lol:

I always thought that dudes kept their eyes firmly forward and try to abide by the "always have at least one urinal between you and the other guy (and other weird bathroom rules)" because they're uptight about Teh Gay. :roll:

[Commenter 42]

I'd think if dudes were that worried about privacy, they'd pee in a stall instead. :-?

Then again, the idea of nudity in any form being kept private is foreign to me - when I lived at home, the other (female) members of my family walking in and out while I was in the shower/in the bathroom was a common occurrence. My nana grew up in a large household with very little privacy; it was kind of the norm. So yeah - admittedly, my upbringing might have something to do with my blase` attitude towards people seeing my rump roast. :lol:

I always thought that dudes kept their eyes firmly forward and try to abide by the "always have at least one urinal between you and the other guy (and other weird bathroom rules)" because they're uptight about Teh Gay. :roll:

Not everything is about homophobia, seriously.

It's really uncomfortable to have a stranger piss beside you, simple as that.
It's even more uncomfortable to have a friend piss beside you.

Same goes for ********, if I'm being honest.

And some guy, looking at my dick, gay or straight, is an unwanted advance, period. It's really not cool.

[pennydreadful]

But why not use a stall then? I'm not taking a shot at you, for real - I just don't get it.

[Davetello]

Commenter is right. Not looking at another guy's weapon in toilets is an unwritten rile. Looking at their penis is just a big no-no.

Changing rooms are totally different. In that environment it's normal to walk around naked. And when you take a shower after the gym or sport, you generally take it with guys who you know and just trained with, so you've seen their genitals plenty of times before anyway.

Furthermore, some men are growers. That's why they aren't self-conscious about being seen naked - they know their penis is significantly bigger erect than flaccid, so they have no hang-ups if they think another man might be looking at them and thinking they're small.

[Leo656]

Yeah it's definitely an uninvited intrusion. Regardless of intent, it just feels creepy. Like, if you're not cruising, then why are you looking at my piece, homes? And if you ARE, then holy sh*t, that's still pretty uncouth simply because you're taking an uninvited glance when I'm in a vulnerable position. It's nothing to do with being insecure or homophobic, it's just a straight-up "WTF Is Wrong With You?" moment.

Like, MOST people I know don't have verbal phone conversations on the sh*tter, either. I'm sure some people do, but I avoid it. Taking a sh*t or a piss is a private moment and I'm neither in the mood to entertain a conversation nor a curious gaze. "Just go in the stall" in entirely impractical purely from space concerns, and also, those things are obscenely filthy (I understand girls have no choice, but guys do, and no guy should EVER sit on a public toilet seat under any circumstances if they can help it, given how rarely they're serviced and the generally awful condition most guys leave the stalls in).

I guess scat is just more social for girls or something, because I think I speak for pretty much Every Guy when I say, if I could only ever piss or sh*t in 100% privacy, I would. There is zero reason to engage another person in any way inside a restroom, other than "excuse me" if you both reach for the towels at the same time. To me that's just manners. "No, I know you're not trying to be creepy, but I'd still rather wait to talk to you until a time when I don't have one hand on my dick, if it can possibly wait. Fair enough? And if you wanna see my dick, ASK, don't cast sideways glances while I'm pissing."

Seems simple to me.

Locker rooms, changing rooms, locker room showers, that's all a different ball game. Some of the locker rooms I've been in, guys and girls changed together, nobody cares. It's less about seeing people naked, and more the fact that "Seeing People Naked When Filthy Waste Products Are Dripping From Them Is F*cking Nasty", and it says a LOT about the person who is willingly trying to check your piece while you're next to them at a pisser. To me, it says "This Person Has Boundary Issues and Should Be Avoided At All Costs".

[plastroncafe]

Then...why don't urinals have walls?

[Davetello]

Dammit. These conversations always get most interesting while I'm asleep. :roll:


This chick gets it. You don't need to have a dick to understand the problems with getting part of it cut off.



Absolutely. :thumbsup:


Wanna trade shlongs? :lol: We're in two totally opposite situations, my friend. But in all seriousness, I'd strongly advise against getting that done, because there's no going back once you do. And there's no guarantee you'll like it more the other way; eventually you might think it was a bad idea, but by then it'll be too late. No doubt it's harder to clean as long as you've got foreskin, but I imagine I'd get used to that after a while.


Let's get into the c0ck trade :)

[Davetello]

Then...why don't urinals have walls?

Because it's an unwritten rule - it's a subliminal message. If they start building walls to segregate the urinals then they're bringing the issue out into the open. The reason for no walls is so that we can still keep up the pretence of being comfortable around other men while peeing. All that time though the rule is being respected.

Just seen that Leo posted the same thing about changing rooms in his big reply as I did, at the same time. That guy clearly gets it - most men do.

[Dirty Blond]

Then...why don't urinals have walls?

Some are partitioned.

[Leo656]

Actually a LOT of urinals nowadays DO have segregation walls, but it's fairly modern and you only see it most often in fancier places. Probably because it costs money to install, and also you have to space the urinals slightly farther apart than you can if they don't have walls, because they're spaced apart factoring in the average height and thus shoulder width of the average male, but now you're losing an inch and a half on either side because of the walls, so actually choosing whether your bathroom has walls between urinals or not can be a fairly big design choice for your business. Especially if it's a pre-existing facility and you decide to renovate. It's not as simple as "Throw a sheet up between 'em and call it a wall".

The sh*t you learn doing move jobs for a decade. :lol:

This "problems guys and girls will never see eye-to-eye on" kick reminds me of a good one. The eternal "Seat Up Or Down" debate. I don't care WHO you are, male, female, whatever, if you don't look before you sit, you're stupid and deserve whatever happens to you. Even if the seat is down, someone could have piss or sh*t on it before you got there, so you should be looking before you sit anyway, and if the seat is up, it takes less than a second to put it down. This is some serious "We Just Want To Argue About Something" bullsh*t. If it's down, great, if it's up, holy sh*t, just put it down, Princess. :roll:

[Davetello]

There's something else which women aren't getting about this debate (understandably).

For a man, his penis is a source of great pride. He learns to treat it with respect. It's the key to his future potential fatherhood, his pleasure, his ability to pass water etc. Also, given the sheer quantity of phallic imagery, the male staff is a symbol of masculinity and everything that goes with it. For most men (there are rare exceptions), it's blasphemy to mock another man's manhood. It's simply a line that is rarely crossed. This is another reason why we don't look at one another in toilets - many people think sneaking a glance would be a competitive thing, but the reason that most of us don't look is because we don't want to possibly erode another man's self-confidence over that thing which is important to all of us. If I was to look at another guy's junk, and he saw me doing it, he might notice a look of disgust if I found it too small or weird. That would be a natural reaction but it's also a reaction I wouldn't want to have because I wouldn't want to suggest to the guy that his penis is inferior or inadequate. It's simply a line that shouldn't be crossed, other than in porn designed for it e.g. cuckold.

The penis is a symbol of male strength, pride, fertility. It should be respected and revered at all costs.

[plastroncafe]

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This "problems guys and girls will never see eye-to-eye on" kick reminds me of a good one. The eternal "Seat Up Or Down" debate. I don't care WHO you are, male, female, whatever, if you don't look before you sit, you're stupid and deserve whatever happens to you. Even if the seat is down, someone could have piss or sh*t on it before you got there, so you should be looking before you sit anyway, and if the seat is up, it takes less than a second to put it down. This is some serious "We Just Want To Argue About Something" bullsh*t. If it's down, great, if it's up, holy sh*t, just put it down, Princess. :roll:

The answer to this one is simple:
Close the lid on the toilet.

That way everyone is lifting something, everyone is putting something down, and when you flush the crap water isn't sprayed all over the bathroom. You know...where your toothbrushes live.

[pennydreadful]

... fair enough. :lol: Leo's explanation kind of broke it down enough for me to get it on some level, so I mean, I understand your perspective on "these are the social customs, this is how I feel" - it's just something I don't relate to emotionally. I can't lie, if I had a flesh-and-blood dick and I were at a urinal, I'd get really tempted to look at someone's stuff from the corner of my eye; less from a cruising perspective and more from a curious "does his look like mine" thing. Which is probably why I'd permanently have two black eyes if I were a cis-dude. :lol:

[Davetello]

... fair enough. :lol: Leo's explanation kind of broke it down enough for me to get it on some level, so I mean, I understand your perspective on "these are the social customs, this is how I feel" - it's just something I don't relate to emotionally. I can't lie, if I had a flesh-and-blood dick and I were at a urinal, I'd get really tempted to look at someone's stuff from the corner of my eye; less from a cruising perspective and more from a curious "does his look like mine" thing. Which is probably why I'd permanently have two black eyes if I were a cis-dude. :lol:

Tbh I am just taking the mickey with most of my recent posts. I make this sh!t up as I go along. All that stuff about phallic imagery & penises being revered is bollox, no pun intended.

[plastroncafe]

No joke!
I look at the other ladies in the locker room when they're changing. Not a long, lingering, leer, but just something out of the corner of my eye. I've studied way too much human anatomy to not be curious about how everyone around me looks naked.

[Metalwolf]

I can't lie, if I had a flesh-and-blood dick and I were at a urinal, I'd get really tempted to look at someone's stuff from the corner of my eye; less from a cruising perspective and more from a curious "does his look like mine" thing. Which is probably why I'd permanently have two black eyes if I were a cis-dude. :lol:Ohh me too, I'd do the same! I always wonder what I'd look like if I could be magically turned into a male for a while, I know I' be inspecting my own junk because it would be so new. Plus would I be tall or short, and would my face still look like mine, only more masculine? :D

One advantage of being a guy though would be knowing that when you enter a bathroom stall, you'll never have to worry about finding some stranger's menstrual blood covering the seat, or used tampons on the floor. Men are free from that kind of strangers' ickyness 8)

[Davetello]

Menstrual blood on a seat - I'm gonna vomit my fvcking soup up here.

If I was female for a day I'd spend that entire day fondling my breasts and toying with my muffin.

[pennydreadful]

LOL Dave, I figured you were joking. Either that or you were going to break out the drums and start smearing yourself with bear fat. :P

But yeah, plastron - I'm constantly looking at other people; sometimes it's sexual but a lot of the time it's more of a thing where I'm just aesthetically enjoying the body in its natural form... I mean, we don't often get the chance to see other bodies that aren't photoshopped, cellulite-free, hairless, toned and tanned, so really it's more a harmless curiosity thing on my part.

As far as the toilet seat thing goes - dude, in my house, that sh*t stays down for one very simple reason: my favorite cat likes to jump up and sit on there, and he does not look before he leaps. Cue a soggy, toilet-water-covered cat being chased around the house by me and then having to bathe him... it does not result in happy fun times for anyone involved. :lol:

[Commenter 42]

... fair enough. :lol: Leo's explanation kind of broke it down enough for me to get it on some level, so I mean, I understand your perspective on "these are the social customs, this is how I feel" - it's just something I don't relate to emotionally. I can't lie, if I had a flesh-and-blood dick and I were at a urinal, I'd get really tempted to look at someone's stuff from the corner of my eye; less from a cruising perspective and more from a curious "does his look like mine" thing. Which is probably why I'd permanently have two black eyes if I were a cis-dude. :lol:

Yeah, Leo went further, thanks for that Sir, but maybe this will cement it;
it feels like confrontation, and almost assault.

Dave might have exaggerated a tad, but almost all of what he said is pretty true.

In any event, I'm sure you've had the unpleasant feeling that accompanies unwanted advances. A guy clocking your c0ck feels exactly like that, and at least for me, I see red almost immediately.

[Davetello]

Yeah, I was joking about the masculinity thing, but not so much about the invasion of privacy.

One thing I've noticed is that, if I wake up and have to go to the bathroom, I will often be so exhausted that I can't actually stand up to urinate. In that event I tend to sit down. That erodes my masculinity because, well...I'm peeing like a girl. But I just don't have the energy to stand straight. And even if I did, my co-ordination at that point would make the act akin to Oliver Reed playing Call of Duty.

[Peanut]

So, hey. I was at a cousin's wedding years ago. I was maybe 8 or 9 max. I went to the bathroom there and as I was using the urinal some old creep f*ck from another wedding walked up to the one next to me, there were several others open on each side, and spent the next 20-30 seconds moving back and forth as I shifted away from him to stop him from trying to stare at my little kid dick.

From that day on I haven't used a urinal unless there's a partition, which is thankfully becoming a norm. I've also been in certain places where it's pretty f*cking easy to get your shoes pissed on by some drunk slob at a urinal. There are multiple reasons to not want to engage in the urinal thing or for feeling uncomfortable in that situation, but sometimes there's zero choice and you've got to deal with it, which totally f*cking sucks.

So, yeah. I guess I'm not comfortable with my sexuality or I'm worried about gays or something.

[plastroncafe]

Sounds to me like being side-eyed in the men's room feels exactly like being catcalled on the street.

[Davetello]

So, hey. I was at a cousin's wedding years ago. I was maybe 8 or 9 max. I went to the bathroom there and as I was using the urinal some old creep f*ck from another wedding walked up to the one next to me, there were several others open on each side, and spent the next 20-30 seconds moving back and forth as I shifted away from him to stop him from trying to stare at my little kid dick.

From that day on I haven't used a urinal unless there's a partition, which is thankfully becoming a norm. I've also been in certain places where it's pretty f*cking easy to get your shoes pissed on by some drunk slob at a urinal. There are multiple reasons to not want to engage in the urinal thing or for feeling uncomfortable in that situation, but sometimes there's zero choice and you've got to deal with it, which totally f*cking sucks.

So, yeah. I guess I'm not comfortable with my sexuality or I'm worried about gays or something.

Lol, sickening paedophiles eyeing up young boys really are the worst.

As for getting your shoes peed on, sometimes I'm more concerned with the piss that seems to be around the urinals. Some people are vile and can't be hygienic. In those cases I just use a stall.

Related to this, has anyone ever been forced into doing "that other thing" in toilets? It's happened to me on a few occasions where it could not be avoided, and sitting on toilets always makes me paranoid about infections. Well, I guess for women whether it's a p or s is irrelevant as they have to sit down either way.

Are you guys from the old school of covering the toilet in paper before sitting down?

[Peanut]

Sounds to me like being side-eyed in the men's room feels exactly like being catcalled on the street.

Maybe in my case, where I was very clearly being prayed on as a child. In that case it was scary, but a grown man getting leered at seems like it would be very different from a woman being hounded by dirt bags, which I would imagine is off-putting and frightening no matter how old you are.

Although, that's not exactly something I can speak to.

[Davetello]

Yes, a lot of women complain about that. Many very 'ample' ladies talk of men brushing against them on crowded busses, or being more explicit and trying to grope them.

I also have a good laugh when a man out of the blue tells an obviously beautiful woman that she's beautiful and expects her to be flattered. Like it's something she doesn't hear 15 times a day anyway. I don't believe in unnecessarily boosting egos like that. It also makes the guy appear desperate.

[Leo656]

In public stalls, if I HAVE to go (which, unfortunately, is another thing you can't avoid when you work manual labor as long as I did... I managed to avoid it for the first 3 years or so, but once I started getting sent on out of state jobs, you don't have a choice), I thoroughly wipe off and then cover the seat, with paper towels if necessary. If Most of the stalls are pretty bad and I happen upon a good one, I use more than one seat cover, just to be safe.

The only place I don't cover the seat is at work, since cleaning the bathrooms is part of everyone's job there and you actively see them get cleaned often. I'm actually more comfortable there than at home, sometimes.

All this bathroom talk reminds me of an anecdote, though. One time on a commercial job, we were finishing up the last day of the project in this huge office building. One of the office managers started getting really rude and disrespectful with a few of the people bringing the furniture in, so my buddy Anthony disappeared for a while, then came back whistling to himself, looking all proud. I'm like, "I'll bite, what's up?" He very calmly explained, "Well, that guy was being an assh*le, so I figured since today's our last day, I went ahead and took a sh*t in the bathroom sink near his office." I couldn't believe this motherf*cker. :lol: We saw people going in and out of there, so it was obviously discovered and dealt with, but nothing ever came of it. I still can't believe he did that. It's a fairly common movers' prank, though. Thank GOD I never walked in on one of those. That'd be ghastly. I mean, how does that occur to you, to do that? :lol:

[Davetello]

In public stalls, if I HAVE to go (which, unfortunately, is another thing you can't avoid when you work manual labor as long as I did... I managed to avoid it for the first 3 years or so, but once I started getting sent on out of state jobs, you don't have a choice), I thoroughly wipe off and then cover the seat, with paper towels if necessary. If Most of the stalls are pretty bad and I happen upon a good one, I use more than one seat cover, just to be safe.

The only place I don't cover the seat is at work, since cleaning the bathrooms is part of everyone's job there and you actively see them get cleaned often. I'm actually more comfortable there than at home, sometimes.

All this bathroom talk reminds me of an anecdote, though. One time on a commercial job, we were finishing up the last day of the project in this huge office building. One of the office managers started getting really rude and disrespectful with a few of the people bringing the furniture in, so my buddy Anthony disappeared for a while, then came back whistling to himself, looking all proud. I'm like, "I'll bite, what's up?" He very calmly explained, "Well, that guy was being an assh*le, so I figured since today's our last day, I went ahead and took a sh*t in the bathroom sink near his office." I couldn't believe this motherf*cker. :lol: We saw people going in and out of there, so it was obviously discovered and dealt with, but nothing ever came of it. I still can't believe he did that. It's a fairly common movers' prank, though. Thank GOD I never walked in on one of those. That'd be ghastly. I mean, how does that occur to you, to do that? :lol:

I've heard of that sort of thing :lol:

What was that film where guys are robbing a house or something and before they leave one of them decides to **** on the floor? It was in a film or TV show or something.

[pennydreadful]

Sounds to me like being side-eyed in the men's room feels exactly like being catcalled on the street.

Now see, I don't get catcalled. I can't work out whether it's more an American thing and just isn't as commonly done over here, or if I'm just too fugly for anyone to want to bother. :lol:

[Lethal Lullaby]

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/343/c/a/rarity__s_nervous_smile_by_mezkalito4p-d4imlqc.gif

Wow. This is interesting. I mean nobody is really getting at each other's throats. It's nice. .w. Umm... I don't really know what to say now. Derp. ^D^

[Davetello]

Now see, I don't get catcalled. I can't work out whether it's more an American thing and just isn't as commonly done over here, or if I'm just too fugly for anyone to want to bother. :lol:

I'm pretty sure it's because it's an American thing :) I've never seen a woman wolf whistled at in the street either.

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/343/c/a/rarity__s_nervous_smile_by_mezkalito4p-d4imlqc.gif

Wow. This is interesting. I mean nobody is really getting at each other's throats. It's nice. .w. Umm... I don't really know what to say now. Derp. ^D^

Cute pic. We are spreading the love.

[Mayhem]

It's like the modern version of Godwin's Law now... sooner or later, someone is going to post a pony pic :lol:

[PAAATE]

One topic that makes me act like an elitist is topics that make people act like elitists, AND YOU ARE ALL WELL AND TRULY MISINFORMED.

[plastroncafe]

Now see, I don't get catcalled. I can't work out whether it's more an American thing and just isn't as commonly done over here, or if I'm just too fugly for anyone to want to bother. :lol:

I don't believe either of those things are true.
Maybe it's just done to a lesser degree down under, but it's certainly not just an American thing.

[Netkeeper]

Sounds to me like being side-eyed in the men's room feels exactly like being catcalled on the street.
I think this is a very accurate comparison. Just going to put that out there.

[pennydreadful]

But I think we can all agree that the subject of social protocols within public bathrooms is something that people can be elitist about. :P (just teasing, folks...)

[Netkeeper]

I once saw an explosive internet arguement over flushing public toilets with your foot. Apparently I'm scum of the Earth to some people for not wanting to get my hands all over the nasty bathroom.

Not that I use public bathrooms much anyway. I'll hold it for as long as possible before having to use one of those nasty places. It doesn't help that I'm rather anxious about them for... certain reasons.

[Jester]

Movies based on internet memes....

....and yet I'm still watching. I need help.

[BubblyShell22]

There are certain things I'm pretty passionate about, but I wouldn't call myself an elitist per se as that sounds a bit too harsh. I am passionate about TMNT and wrestling the most though.

[pennydreadful]

I once saw an explosive internet arguement over flushing public toilets with your foot. Apparently I'm scum of the Earth to some people for not wanting to get my hands all over the nasty bathroom.

Not that I use public bathrooms much anyway. I'll hold it for as long as possible before having to use one of those nasty places. It doesn't help that I'm rather anxious about them for... certain reasons.

How on earth could anyone get irate over that??? People have to wash their hands after using the bathroom anyway; what's the difference whether someone's used their hand or foot to flush it? I suppose the reverse still holds true but either way, I don't get the problem with using ones foot to flush. :-? What am I missing here?

[Netkeeper]

The logic is that someone that uses their hand to flush gets the previous person's shoe germs all over their hands. And the soles of one's shoes are much nastier than the bathroom, most likely.

But you're right, I'm of the opinion that it doesn't matter since you wash your hands anyway.

[pennydreadful]

I'd rather touch the sole of someone's shoe than the unwashed hand of a person who'd just finished wiping their ass - call me crazy. :roll:

The flushing mechanisms of toilets are covered in germs anyway so someone putting their foot on it can hardly make it any worse.

[shuriken]

Probably boxing. As in the sport, not the act of making boxes, or putting things in boxes.
Sometimes TMNT related stuff. Not here, but for example if someone brings up how much they loved the TMNT and just call them by their color coded bandanas I get a little irked. I was at this bar with a buddy of mine and I was wearing a TMNT shirt. I somehow start talking to this one chick also wearing a TMNT shirt and I felt compelled to correct everything wrong she said about TMNT. Just little things that irked me. It was as if my inner Nerd just lashed out for no evident reason. So I try to avoid TMNT related conversations now. Because they help no one. Hell when BayTurtles was announced people would keep asking me about what I thought about it until I would just change the subject to avoid nerd raging.

[snake]

Probably boxing. As in the sport, not the act of making boxes, or putting things in boxes.
Sometimes TMNT related stuff. Not here, but for example if someone brings up how much they loved the TMNT and just call them by their color coded bandanas I get a little irked. I was at this bar with a buddy of mine and I was wearing a TMNT shirt. I somehow start talking to this one chick also wearing a TMNT shirt and I felt compelled to correct everything wrong she said about TMNT. Just little things that irked me. It was as if my inner Nerd just lashed out for no evident reason. So I try to avoid TMNT related conversations now. Because they help no one. Hell when BayTurtles was announced people would keep asking me about what I thought about it until I would just change the subject to avoid nerd raging.

I know. I once talked to one guy who is only into the ot. He didn't even know that the bandanas were red before the cartoon, but he did know his archie turtles pretty well.

[Prowler]

Not sure. When I know more about something than everyone else in a discussion, I like to explain things they aren't aware about. Does that make me an elitist? That's up to you to decide.

I guess I can be a tad elitist when it comes to discussing video games.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Why did you revive a three-year-old thread to talk about penises?

[Netkeeper]

Why wouldn't you revive a three-year-old thread to talk about penises?

[IndigoErth]

Why did you revive a three-year-old thread to talk about penises?
That isn't a valid reason?? :lol:


Well if we're bumping the thread...
Following on from the wars observed in relation the 2014 film (which I haven't been part of), name a topic which you might be snobby and sanctimonious about.
Honestly I'm not sure there is much of anything I'd get that way about. It would have to be very personal really, like defending my own character from someone who thinks their inaccurate assumptions are correct. Or things such as, for example, a prejudiced theist having tried to tell atheists about atheists, as if they know better who atheists are than said atheists themselves (seen it plenty often), and other more personal things along those lines.

Simple interests, such as fan stuff, just isn't usually worth the argument or acting superior about. Sure... I know more about some things than some people, but there are also others who know more than I do. I can live with a difference of opinion or being corrected. My preferences or interpretation aren't in danger if there is disagreement.

[Cure]

This thread makes me so happy that most of the people who kept this **** going in the first couple of pages are gone. One necropost I'm thankful for.

[Andrew NDB]

I think Bitcoin and NFTs.

[IMJ]

I think Bitcoin and NFTs.

Really? I don't recall seeing you in the Crypto thread (https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=63521)... :)

[oldmanwinters]

Land Before Time sequels

[Andrew NDB]

Really? I don't recall seeing you in the Crypto thread (https://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=63521)... :)

I've honestly never read that thread. I guess I didn't mean for me, personally, but what I sometimes see around the net.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Wow, can't believe I never saw this thread, especially since I was name-dropped in the first post, lol!

On the subject of elitism, there is possibly only ONE thing I might be "elitist" about is One More Day. That's the arc that killed Spider-Man's marriage in the comics, and it was, imho, the single biggest mistake ever made with the character. It is my only real "snobbish" or "purist" stance on anything, because his relationship and home life prior to that were one of the most humanizing things about him, and were part of what got me into loving him so much to begin with.

I guess the old vs new Star Trek universes is the only other thing. I can't stand what was done by Abrams to the mythos, it was unnecessary and just doesn't fit the spirit of the franchise, imho. He focused too heavily on the action and conflict, not enough on the ideals that made it so iconic. And his takes on some of the characters and storyline were just- why? But I just tend to ignore his version, and enjoy the rest.

That isn't a valid reason?? :lol:

Well if we're bumping the thread...

Honestly I'm not sure there is much of anything I'd get that way about. It would have to be very personal really, like defending my own character from someone who thinks their inaccurate assumptions are correct. Or things such as, for example, a prejudiced theist having tried to tell atheists about atheists, as if they know better who atheists are than said atheists themselves (seen it plenty often), and other more personal things along those lines.

Simple interests, such as fan stuff, just isn't usually worth the argument or acting superior about. Sure... I know more about some things than some people, but there are also others who know more than I do. I can live with a difference of opinion or being corrected. My preferences or interpretation aren't in danger if there is disagreement.


Interesting that this proved oddly prophetic. But it was bound to happen eventually, no? But, yeah, I'm kind of the same way. In my case, I think it's just a Sagittarius thing, being committed to the ideals of truth and justice/equity, and hating to see those ideals trampled in any form. Thus, I despise bullies, thugs, control-freaks, liars, and the like. I also have the compulsion to defend those being bullied or abused. Elitist? No, just an overdeveloped sense of justice and fairness.

[Leo656]

I think it's just a Sagittarius thing

Oh, hey, this reminded me of one! I'm "elitist" about Astrology, specifically that it's complete nonsense and yet some people still subscribe to it. :lol:

I once had a group therapist who seemed altogether very "with it" and sharp, and then one day we spent an entire group discussing Astrology and it just blew my mind that any sort of mental health professional would advocate for that sort of thing. It seems... irresponsible, if not outright dangerous. Telling people, especially people who you're dealing with because they have mental health issues, "You are the way you are because of 'the stars', your life is also the way it is because of That and it isn't up to you" seems VERY counter-productive to the entire foundation of mental wellness and self-improvement, just in general. I didn't make a big deal about it, but at the start when she asked everyone who Did, and then Did Not believe in Astrology to raise their hand, when she asked "So who here does NOT?" my hand shot up like a motherf*cker. :lol:

In my case, I admittedly AM very much a Libra, but I personally like to think that it's because valuing honestly, fairness, "justice", etc. are things we should all aspire to be putting value into in order to be a good person, not because some balls of gas that've been dead for a thousand years decided I should be that way. There's other Libras in my family and most of them are pieces of sh*t. So obviously the virtues skipped over them.

Meanwhile, to be perfectly blunt I most often see people use their "sign" as an excuse to abdicate all responsibility for a bad attitude or sh*t behavior, and I just can't abide that. My wife does that sh*t, the whole "I can't help it, I'm a Scorpio!" bullsh*t. Like the meme says, "No, it has nothing to do with that, you're just a raving bitch." :trazz:

To me it's all as much bullsh*t as a wishing well. Throw a coin in and wish for money, do it every day for 20 years, 30 years, whatever, at some point you might find a dollar (or more) lying on the street. Does that mean the "magic" wishing well actually works? Of course not. Just like your horoscope can tell you every single day for your entire life "Today is the day you find true love/hit the lottery!" You might, eventually, but that isn't why, come on now.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Oh, hey, this reminded me of one! I'm "elitist" about Astrology, specifically that it's complete nonsense and yet some people still subscribe to it. :lol:

I once had a group therapist who seemed altogether very "with it" and sharp, and then one day we spent an entire group discussing Astrology and it just blew my mind that any sort of mental health professional would advocate for that sort of thing. It seems... irresponsible, if not outright dangerous. Telling people, especially people who you're dealing with because they have mental health issues, "You are the way you are because of 'the stars', your life is also the way it is because of That and it isn't up to you" seems VERY counter-productive to the entire foundation of mental wellness and self-improvement, just in general. I didn't make a big deal about it, but at the start when she asked everyone who Did, and then Did Not believe in Astrology to raise their hand, when she asked "So who here does NOT?" my hand shot up like a motherf*cker. :lol:

In my case, I admittedly AM very much a Libra, but I personally like to think that it's because valuing honestly, fairness, "justice", etc. are things we should all aspire to be putting value into in order to be a good person, not because some balls of gas that've been dead for a thousand years decided I should be that way. There's other Libras in my family and most of them are pieces of sh*t. So obviously the virtues skipped over them.

Meanwhile, to be perfectly blunt I most often see people use their "sign" as an excuse to abdicate all responsibility for a bad attitude or sh*t behavior, and I just can't abide that. My wife does that sh*t, the whole "I can't help it, I'm a Scorpio!" bullsh*t. Like the meme says, "No, it has nothing to do with that, you're just a raving bitch." :trazz:

To me it's all as much bullsh*t as a wishing well. Throw a coin in and wish for money, do it every day for 20 years, 30 years, whatever, at some point you might find a dollar (or more) lying on the street. Does that mean the "magic" wishing well actually works? Of course not. Just like your horoscope can tell you every single day for your entire life "Today is the day you find true love/hit the lottery!" You might, eventually, but that isn't why, come on now.


I subscribe to it to a certain degree, personality wise, but I don't live my entire life by the stars. I do understand why and how it is supposed to work, so that might have some influence as to why I occasionally go into it. Generally, I think of it as a kind of basic template for certain personality types. And more often than not, they prove to fit. Not because of the stars per se, but people tend to fit certain molds depending on the time of year they were born. At least in my experience. YMMV, of course.

[Leo656]

I think it soured for me forever once I realized that most Libras I knew were gigantic f*cking liars with no moral compass whatsoever. I guess they never read about how they were "supposed" to act and therefore never went with the script. :lol:

Anyways, if nothing else it gave us this gem:

XjlD6yYq5as

Taurus:
You will never find true happiness...
What you gonna do, cry about it?
The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff, and then go back to sleep.

Scorpio:
Get ready for an unexpected trip,
When you fall screaming from an open window...
Work a little bit harder on improving your low self-esteem, you stupid freak.

Sagittarius:
All your friends are laughing behind your back.
KILL THEM.

Capricorn:
The stars say that you're an exciting and wonderful person...
But, you know they're lying.
If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows
And never, never, never, never, never leave my house again.


I wish someone would just run some of those every day and see how long it would take for anyone to notice. :lol:

[Jester]

I think it soured for me forever once I realized that most Libras I knew were gigantic f*cking liars with no moral compass whatsoever. I guess they never read about how they were "supposed" to act and therefore never went with the script. :lol:

Anyways, if nothing else it gave us this gem:

XjlD6yYq5as

Taurus:
You will never find true happiness...
What you gonna do, cry about it?
The stars predict tomorrow you'll wake up, do a bunch of stuff, and then go back to sleep.

Scorpio:
Get ready for an unexpected trip,
When you fall screaming from an open window...
Work a little bit harder on improving your low self-esteem, you stupid freak.

Sagittarius:
All your friends are laughing behind your back.
KILL THEM.

Capricorn:
The stars say that you're an exciting and wonderful person...
But, you know they're lying.
If I were you, I'd lock my doors and windows
And never, never, never, never, never leave my house again.


I wish someone would just run some of those every day and see how long it would take for anyone to notice. :lol:

Beat me too it.

Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely that
The relative position of the planets and the stars
Could have a special deep significance or meaning
That exclusively applies to only you
But, let me give you my assurance that
These forecasts and predictions are all based on
Solid, scientific, documented evidence
So you would have to be some kind of moron
Not to realize that every single one of them is absolutely true

[Prowler]

I don't know why so many women seem to take astrology seriously. It's the prime example of pseudoscience, if you can even call it that.

It's strange, but astrology is somewhat so ingrained in every culture that we all know what our Zodiac astrological sign is, even if we don't believe in or care about astrology one bit.

I know I'm a Scorpio because I was born in the 15th of November. I have no idea whatever else that means and why are people born in November called Scorpios. The idea that our personalities are determined by the month we were born in is beyond ridiculous.

[IndigoErth]

Astrology...

With those who take it too seriously... my guess is it plays on some people's need to want to try to predict things and see what's coming in life, just like how some people use religion to try to predict an unpredictable world, and is a comfort thing even if it's BS.

I mean... I like being a Taurus, thanks, much of it does describe me. I like that Capricorn and Taurus are said to be each others biggest BFF and my oldest friend since we were age 10 does happen to be one. Plus I've had other goods ones in my life as well. (Just one crappy one, but I guess someone had to prove they have a bad version.) edit: And their traits happen to fit my fave TMNT to a T.

Do I take all this seriously though? Nah, no more than fortune cookies and that kind of stuff. It's just a bit of fun. I've probably read more fortune cookie fortunes over the past decade than I have horoscopes.


Interesting that this proved oddly prophetic.
Yes, yes it is.

[Leo656]

I legit once got a cookie fortune that said "Order more Chinese food."

Ever since then I assume they're always 100% spot-on because they really nailed it with that one.

[IMJ]

I legit once got a cookie fortune that said "Order more Chinese food."

Ever since then I assume they're always 100% spot-on because they really nailed it with that one.

That's like putting a fortune inside a fortune cookie that says "Today You Will Eat A Cookie!"

[IndigoErth]

I legit once got a cookie fortune that said "Order more Chinese food."

Ever since then I assume they're always 100% spot-on because they really nailed it with that one.
lol It does sound like wise advice.

My most recent one: "Your fortune is on its way!" But... you were supposed to be my fortune?