Roberto Orci no longer directing Star Trek 3

[TigerClaw]

It looks like Roberto Orci, Will no longer direct Star Trek 3, the 3rd film would've have been his directorial debut. However Edgar Wright might direct the sequel.
http://deadline.com/2014/12/star-trek-roberto-orci-1201311255/

[turtlefanforever]

Mainly for his Simon peg & nick frost films though

[NinjaPug]

Yes!!! Get him away from Hollywood altogether.

[TigerClaw]

Here's some more details on why hes no longer directing the 3rd film, Its over a problem with the script.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=112019
My sources tell me that the script Orci was working on saw the Enterprise, the Vulcans and a new alien race competing to get a time travel device. The Vulcans want to go back and stop the destruction of their planet, and the time travel schtick is what would allow Chris Pine and William Shatner to share the screen. - Devin Faraci
Basically the story in the 3rd one involved a time travel device, That they could've used to wipe out the 1st two films.

[TigerClaw]

Justin Lin will direct Star Trek 3. He directed a couple of the Fast and the Furious movies.
http://deadline.com/2014/12/star-trek-3-justin-lin-director-fast-furious-helmer-1201333753/

[Cure]

Justin Lin will direct Star Trek 3. He directed a couple of the Fast and the Furious movies.
http://deadline.com/2014/12/star-trek-3-justin-lin-director-fast-furious-helmer-1201333753/

Oh my God, I'm so f*cking in.

[NinjaPug]

Interesting choice.

I love what Lin has done to the F&F franchise (he actually made me like it) but I don't know that he's the right guy for Star Trek. Trek has never been a franchise defined by its action set pieces, and Lin is a master at those.

Like I said, interesting choice. Anyone is better than Orci. Hopefully Orci's name is nowhere near the script.

[TigerClaw]

According to Trek Movie, The title for the 3rd Star Trek film will be. Star Trek Beyond.
http://trekmovie.com/2015/04/21/breaking-star-trek-xiii-to-be-titled-star-trek-beyond/

[TigerClaw]

Here's your first behind the scenes footage from Star Trek Beyond.

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Looks like the video was taken down, Here's an image from it.

http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Star-Trek-Beyond-03-480x320.jpg

[TigerClaw]

Looks like the Star Trek Beyond trailer got leaked, But it's in german, hopefully the official trailer will be out soon.

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[ZariusTwo]

Alternative link

http://bgr.com/2015/12/14/star-trek-beyond-trailer-leak/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

As the resident Trekkie, only here to say "Not my Star Trek!" :trazz:

Carry on, enjoy without me. :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

Paramount has officially released the trailer, since it got leaked earlier.

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[Foombamaroom]

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This looks terrible.

[plastroncafe]

Says you!
I, on the other hand, think this looks awesome.
Shakespeare? No. But a great action movie which finally breaks out of the shadow of the previous Trek incarnations and hopefully does its own thing instead.

[Vicky82]

Yeah, i'll think i'll be skipping this movie.

I can't imagine this being Paramounts big movie of the year. Looks like TMNT 2 will take the title.

[TigerClaw]

You know, This is the 2nd time that Paramount release a trailer earlier then expected after it gets leaked.

Paramount released the TMNT 2 trailer on Wednesday night, when it was supposed to be on Thursday morning, and now this happens again.

[Vicky82]

Reading the YouTube comments a lot of people are annoyed. I can see this is going to be the worst movie of 2016.

[Amaranthus]

Reading the YouTube comments a lot of people are annoyed. I can see this is going to be the worst movie of 2016.

So because YouTube people are annoyed it's going to be the worst movie of 2016?
What kind of dumb assumption is that?

[plastroncafe]

That's a bold statement based solely on a single trailer and the histrionic crybabies of the Youtube comments section.

[Amaranthus]

That's a bold statement based solely on a single trailer and the histrionic crybabies of the Youtube comments section.

It's also incredibly dumb because there's lots of bad movies. People just don't complain about them if they're not from a franchise they love.

[Vicky82]

So because YouTube people are annoyed it's going to be the worst movie of 2016?
What kind of dumb assumption is that?

I was only predicting, it probably end up being one of the biggest movies next year grossing more than $300M in the US.

[ZariusTwo]

I see they're now trying to make "third film=enterprise totalled" a thing now

[Amaranthus]

I was only predicting, it probably end up being one of the biggest movies next year grossing more than $300M in the US.

Your posts really make my head hurt at times.

[TigerClaw]

The ones complaining would be the Star Trek purists.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The ones complaining would be the Star Trek purists.

Yup. That's me.

[Jester]

I'll have to watch it again to be sure...but I couldn't follow it. Way too many quick cuts. I have no idea what's going on. I guess that would make for a "good" trailer. Give little away and make people want more.

[ProactiveMan]

It looks really pretty, and they are in outer-space doing outer-space things at last, so I'm happy.

Simon Pegg has been getting on my nerves of late, but I'll still go see this.

[JakeSully]

Interesting choice.

I love what Lin has done to the F&F franchise (he actually made me like it) but I don't know that he's the right guy for Star Trek. Trek has never been a franchise defined by its action set pieces, and Lin is a master at those.

Like I said, interesting choice. Anyone is better than Orci. Hopefully Orci's name is nowhere near the script.

Do you think Orci sucks badly?

[chrisdude]

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http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/12/15/star-trek-beyond-will-politely-ignore-into-darkness

I didn't realize there was a thread for this movie. Everything Pegg and Lin says sounds fantastic. I'm pretty pumped, at this point.

And my two cents is that Orci is freaking awful.

[NinjaPug]

Do you think Orci sucks badly?

Are you just trying to get your post count up?

[TigerClaw]

Star Trek Beyond is doing some reshoots and adding a new cast member.
http://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-beyond-reshoots/

[chrisdude]

I've got faith in the powers that be, this time around. And being a Federation big wig doesn't mean she has a big role or even much screen time. Unfortunately they had a real tight schedule with this movie. Hopefully this is them fixing a problem, and not the kind of scrambling that hurt TMNT.

[Andrew NDB]

I've got faith in the powers that be, this time around. And being a Federation big wig doesn't mean she has a big role or even much screen time. Unfortunately they had a real tight schedule with this movie. Hopefully this is them fixing a problem, and not the kind of scrambling that hurt TMNT.

Funny, as soon as I read about the reshoots the first thing I thought of was TMNT. Probably not far from the truth.

Like, "Uh oh... what the f*** have we made?"

[ProactiveMan]

They could be fixing plot problems, but it could be anything really. The ending may have tested badly or something.

[chrisdude]

Maybe this actress is replacing a actor who had as much screen time as Tyler Perry in the first film? It could be as insignificant as that.

[Candy Kappa]

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This looks terrible.

Wow... That was trash.

I thought this was supposed to be Star Trek, not a Fast & Furious space knock-off.

[chrisdude]

I encourage everyone to scroll up and watch that Simon Pegg clip.

[Candy Kappa]

I don't think the Pegg clip was all that reassuring. "Got a lot of Start Trek stuff". Yeah, then show it.

[NinjaPug]

This shouldn't be unexpected the way they rushed this movie into production.

[chrisdude]

I don't think the Pegg clip was all that reassuring. "Got a lot of Start Trek stuff". Yeah, then show it.Writers don't make the trailers.

[Candy Kappa]

Nor did he direct.

It's easy to say something else then what the trailer shows. A lot of things was said and claimed during the production and up to release of TMNT 2014.

[chrisdude]

To be fair, the trailer doesn't show much of anything terrible. While the trailer seems action oriented, it appears the same action sequences are referenced repeatedly. On the positive, we see new species, and what is, at least to my knowledge, a new idea in stranding the entire crew on planet. I think the offense, here, is presentation.

[Foombamaroom]

New Trailer:



Makes the movie look much better.
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[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, I'm excited for it now.

Nice shot of an N-X Class at the end too. Guess that's their Spider-Man/Wolverine money shot

[ProactiveMan]

Did they crib a scene from Batman Forever?

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[ZariusTwo]

The poster for Beyond mimics the Motion Picture (hope that ain't a sign)

http://i.imgur.com/l7VDCzJ.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The poster for Beyond mimics the Motion Picture (hope that ain't a sign)

http://i.imgur.com/l7VDCzJ.jpg

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, crib the poster design from the worst movie of the original ten Trek movies. THAT'LL win over the skeptics.

[chrisdude]

It was a great poster.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It was a great poster.

For the cinematic answer to insomnia.

[Spike Spiegel]

Good trailer.

Looks interesting enough for a matinee, at least.

[ZariusTwo]

Some spoilers from footage shown to fans

-A bored Kirk makes a reference to his five year mission feeling more and more like a string of "episodes"

-He and McCoy talk a bit about ageing, now that it's Kirk's birthday he's depressed that he's now older than his father was

-During the attack on the Enterprise, the Turbo life is ejected into space with Sulu still inside of it

-Kirk makes a defiant last stand within the ship like his father did in the 2009 movie

[NinjaPug]

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[ZariusTwo]

OH MY.

Inspired by George Takei's real life homosexuality, Sulu will come out in Star Trek Beyond

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/07/07/star-trek-beyond-to-reveal-hikaru-sulus-sexual-preference/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

OH MY.

Inspired by George Takei's real life homosexuality, Sulu will come out in Star Trek Beyond

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/07/07/star-trek-beyond-to-reveal-hikaru-sulus-sexual-preference/

It's about time Trek had a non-hetero character. Not surprised they picked Sulu. Glad to see they're keeping Demora canon.

[Andrew NDB]

This retroactively makes the "real" Sulu gay, too. It's not like the arrival of the Narada and the destruction of the Kelvin and Vulcan would have suddenly made Sulu gay. Can't really think of any TOS episodes with him going after any ladies, though, so it probably can jive but I could be wrong.

[Andrew NDB]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Yeah, crib the poster design from the worst movie of the original ten Trek movies. THAT'LL win over the skeptics.

ST:TMP is the worst? It's certainly... different than most of them, but I've always found it... exhaustingly fascinating, personally, if that makes sense. I think it did bore me to tears as a kid, though.

I'd probably rate them, best to worst:

2, 4, 1, 6, 8, 3, 11, 7, 5, 9, 10, 12

[ToTheNines]

This retroactively makes the "real" Sulu gay, too. It's not like the arrival of the Narada and the destruction of the Kelvin and Vulcan would have suddenly made Sulu gay. Can't really think of any TOS episodes with him going after any ladies, though, so it probably can jive but I could be wrong.

I knew something was up when Sulu didn't get in on the action in the porno.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

ST:TMP is the worst? It's certainly... different than most of them, but I've always found it... exhaustingly fascinating, personally, if that makes sense. I think it did bore me to tears as a kid, though.

I'd probably rate them, best to worst:

2, 4, 1, 6, 8, 3, 11, 7, 5, 9, 10, 12

I'd rather be laughing at or complaining about a poor Star Trek story than bored by a poor Star Trek story. So yeah, for me, the worst. THE WORST.

This retroactively makes the "real" Sulu gay, too. It's not like the arrival of the Narada and the destruction of the Kelvin and Vulcan would have suddenly made Sulu gay. Can't really think of any TOS episodes with him going after any ladies, though, so it probably can jive but I could be wrong.

Thinking over it in my head, I think he was attracted to that one lady from a lost civilization that could turn 2dimensional and then 1dimensional... her touch destroyed molecules or something... so there's at least one instance. "That Which Survives."

But yeah, knowing the actor and how they never did any Sulu+alienbabe stories, I'm fine with it. Makes sense.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't remember now, did anyone on the bridge of the Enterprise-B remark that Demora looks like her dad?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't remember now, did anyone on the bridge of the Enterprise-B remark that Demora looks like her dad?

The only thing I remember is "It wouldn't be the Enterprise without a Sulu at the helm."

[TheSkeletonMan939]

George Takei isn't pleased with their decision to make Sulu gay. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-reacts-gay-sulu-909154)

"I’m delighted that there’s a gay character. Unfortunately, it’s a twisting of Gene’s creation, to which he put in so much thought. I think it’s really unfortunate."

I'm glad Takei didn't feel obligated to bow down to the film producers (or whoever authorized the decision) and accept that his character was being used to pander to SJWs.

"I told him, 'Be imaginative and create a character who has a history of being gay, rather than Sulu, who had been straight all this time, suddenly being revealed as being closeted... I said, 'This movie is going to be coming out on the 50th anniversary of Star Trek, the 50th anniversary of paying tribute to Gene Roddenberry, the man whose vision it was carried us through half a century. Honor him and create a new character. I urged them. He left me feeling that that was going to happen."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

George Takei isn't pleased with their decision to make Sulu gay. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-takei-reacts-gay-sulu-909154)

"I’m delighted that there’s a gay character. Unfortunately, it’s a twisting of Gene’s creation, to which he put in so much thought. I think it’s really unfortunate."

I'm glad Takei didn't feel obligated to bow down to the film producers (or whoever authorized the decision) and accept that his character was being used to pander to SJWs.

"I told him, 'Be imaginative and create a character who has a history of being gay, rather than Sulu, who had been straight all this time, suddenly being revealed as being closeted... I said, 'This movie is going to be coming out on the 50th anniversary of Star Trek, the 50th anniversary of paying tribute to Gene Roddenberry, the man whose vision it was carried us through half a century. Honor him and create a new character. I urged them. He left me feeling that that was going to happen."

I don't find it pandering at all. Takei is a gay man most famous for playing Hikaru Sulu. He was in Hollywood at a time when it was still extremely damaging to your career to be homosexual.

I see the creative change as both honoring the actor and the character (it contradicts nothing from original Star Trek). I can understand Takei's position, but I don't agree with it.

[TigerClaw]

I don't find it pandering at all. Takei is a gay man most famous for playing Hikaru Sulu. He was in Hollywood at a time when it was still extremely damaging to your career to be homosexual.

I see the creative change as both honoring the actor and the character (it contradicts nothing from original Star Trek). I can understand Takei's position, but I don't agree with it.
This is the Kelvin Universe, so this version of Sulu can be gay, but in the primary universe Sulu would be straight.

[Andrew NDB]

This is the Kelvin Universe, so this version of Sulu can be gay, but in the primary universe Sulu would be straight.

No, not really. While the original untarnished timeline still exists (and will hopefully be revisited by CBS next year... most signs point to "yes") this branching timeline is only "different" from the moment the Narada appeared to destroy the Kelvin when Kirk was a baby. The only differences in the timeline stemming from there are as a result of the events therein... the Kelvin's destruction, the destruction of Vulcan, whatever tech Starfleet could strip off of the Narada's rubble and use, etc. (which apparently even had Borg tech in it if the IDW stories are to be believed). These changes drastically change characters like Kirk and Spock... now, Kirk lost his dad way earlier than he was supposed to so he never enters Starfleet when he was supposed to and subsequently becomes a brat, and Spock lost his mom and whole planet right in the middle of his burgeoning career (making him more emotional than ever). Everything before that moment (Star Trek: Enterprise, etc.) still happened and is still in-canon.

That's it.

What would not be changed is Sulu's sexuality. Unless you're to assume sexuality is a choice. i.e., toddler Sulu saw on the TV that Vulcan blew up and decided, "I was totally attracted to women, but f*ck this Vulcan being blown up business... now I'm attracted to men." Which is... crazy. At best we could say prime timeline Sulu is a closeted homosexual and the Abramsverse Sulu is an open one, but do we really want to do that?

[Andrew NDB]

Upon further thought... since I think Kirk is older than Sulu (he is, right?) and Kirk was just being born on the Kelvin when the Narada arrived to alter the splinter timeline...

Let's say a few years further in time than that in the original unaltered timeline, Mama and Papa Sulu were going to get it on. You know. Smooth jazz playing, the lights down low. They get it on and Hikaru Sulu is conceived. And he's totally straight.

Now, in the "Kelvin Timeline"... those same few years later in the now-altered timeline, Mama and Papa Sulu were going to have their "date night," but Papa Sulu remembered she had to go to the 4 Year Anniversary of the death of Rodrigo Sulu, his brother, who died on the Kelvin a few years back because Nero is a jerk. So he missed date night. They make it up a couple weeks later, and Hikaru Sulu is conceived. But different sperm, different egg. This one... totally gay.

So I guess that's possible, if one really, really wanted to distinguish the two.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

You're thinkin' about this waaaay too hard, Andrew. :lol:

I don't find it pandering at all. Takei is a gay man most famous for playing Hikaru Sulu. He was in Hollywood at a time when it was still extremely damaging to your career to be homosexual.

I see the creative change as both honoring the actor and the character (it contradicts nothing from original Star Trek). I can understand Takei's position, but I don't agree with it.

It is pandering. Takei said he made his position very clear beforehand to the producers. If they really wanted to honor him they would have listened to him and not have dicked around with his and Roddenberry's character.

But because they feel so obligated to push the message "gay is okay, gay is normal, etc." in a Star Trek film for some reason, they take a longtime character and change him to him fit their message. They think they're gaining bonus points because George Takei is gay.

I would bet money that the decision was made for good PR. The Star Trek movies suck and everyone knows it. Beyond has had a troubled production. Making a well-known character gay is good publicity and would please the tumblr crowd - maybe please them enough to make them see a third ****** Star Trek movie.

It's ridiculous, and another piece of evidence of why Abrams et al. really don't care about Roddenberry's Star Trek.

[plastroncafe]

This is something I've been thinking a lot about recently, why is pandering bad?

There's no doubt that some pandering is insincere, but isn't the problem then the insincerity and not the pandering?

I can see Takei's reasoning. By making Sulu gay it's easy to draw the line and say his portrayal of Sulu was gay because he was gay. As an actor myself I can see how one would find insult in that.

If you honestly think that the inclusion of every minority and sexual orientation other than straight and white is some sort of Insidious form of pandering, then you're ignoring the fact that by not making our media diverse you are pandering to the straight and white.

By all means attack the sincerity of the pandering, but don't lull yourself to sleep by thinking that this is the only pandering going on. Media panders to us all the time, that's pretty much how it works.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

If you honestly think that the inclusion of every minority and sexual orientation other than straight and white is some sort of Insidious form of pandering, then you're ignoring the fact that by not making our media diverse you are pandering to the straight and white.

There's a difference between truly trying to implement diversity in your TVshow/movie/whatever, and saying, "Well boys, what's our gimmick today?" Because that's all this is: a gimmick. I think making Sulu gay is the exact same thing as making Captain America a Hydra agent, ESPECIALLY since Takei voiced disapproval long before the decision was finalized. There's no sincerity behind it and it's just to generate a good company image.

And I don't think the "inclusion" of diversity is a form of pandering. I do think warping major established characters in the name of "social justice" - or worse, good PR - is.

If you want to change a character's race, I don't have a problem with that. They changed Liz Allan from white to Hispanic in The Spectacular Spider-Man and I had no problem with it.
I do have a problem with it though if it's to "generate buzz", as this Sulu situation and the recent casting of Hermione are.

Media panders to us all the time, that's pretty much how it works.

Of course it does. Sometimes it's called for and sometimes it isn't. You're right, the sincerity is more important than the act itself.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

It is pandering. Takei said he made his position very clear beforehand to the producers. If they really wanted to honor him they would have listened to him and not have dicked around with his and Roddenberry's character.

I agree that it is a little odd that the producers solicited Takei for his opinion and then ignored it, but they were under no obligation to do what he wanted, for better or worse.

But because they feel so obligated to push the message "gay is okay, gay is normal, etc." in a Star Trek film for some reason, they take a longtime character and change him to him fit their message. They think they're gaining bonus points because George Takei is gay.

Do you even understand what Star Trek is about? Kirk and Uhura shared the first interracial kiss in "Plato's Children", Dax and her former lover shared the first lesbian kiss in an episode of Deep Space Nine. Avery Brookes played Captain Sisko, a black starship captain, and then we have Captain Kathryn Janeway, a female starship captain. Star Trek has always been about transcending and evolving past our current "primitive" beliefs and prejudices. That Star Trek hasn't had a homosexual main character in its five television shows is utterly astonishing and, I hope I'm not the only to think this, a failure of the values that Roddenberry first envisioned for Star Trek.

I would bet money that the decision was made for good PR. The Star Trek movies suck and everyone knows it. Beyond has had a troubled production. Making a well-known character gay is good publicity and would please the tumblr crowd - maybe please them enough to make them see a third ****** Star Trek movie.

We agree on this, at least. The Abrams "Trek" movies are heartless apathetic unoriginal unintelligent Bay-level summer blockbusters with Alice Eve in her bra, explosions galore, and retreads of better movies.

They're exceptionally well cast, and in different hands, these movies would be amazing. Pine, Quinto, et al (except for Simon Pegg... no please) ARE the new Kirk, Spock, etc. They're just stuck in terrible terrible movies.

I can see Takei's reasoning. By making Sulu gay it's easy to draw the line and say his portrayal of Sulu was gay because he was gay. As an actor myself I can see how one would find insult in that.

I hadn't considered that angle; makes sense, and I can understand Takei's POV a little better now.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Do you even understand what Star Trek is about? Kirk and Uhura shared the first interracial kiss in "Plato's Children", Dax and her former lover shared the first lesbian kiss in an episode of Deep Space Nine.

I'm well aware of Star Trek being Roddenberry's vision for a greater future. But I'm sure he would have been disappointed to see LGBT inclusion in the name of (what I believe to be) a PR stunt.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm well aware of Star Trek being Roddenberry's vision for a greater future. But I'm sure he would have been disappointed to see LGBT inclusion in the name of (what I believe to be) a PR stunt.

Okay, I can see your point of view. If it was simply a PR stunt, I might feel differently.

I'd like to think this wasn't a PR stunt. I think Simon Pegg said some good stuff on it:

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-beyond-simon-pegg-george-takei-sulu-gay/

“I have huge love and respect for George Takei, his heart, courage and humour are an inspiration. However, with regards to his thoughts on our Sulu, I must respectfully disagree with him. He’s right, it is unfortunate, it’s unfortunate that the screen version of the most inclusive, tolerant universe in science fiction hasn’t featured an LGBT character until now. We could have introduced a new gay character, but he or she would have been primarily defined by their sexuality, seen as the ‘gay character’, rather than simply for who they are, and isn’t that tokenism?”

[plastroncafe]

I don't have the slightest issue with Sulu being gay in nuTrek. If I'm remembering correctly his sexual orientation was never addresses in the original text. So turning the default straight trope on its ears just fine by me

Regarding Hermione, go reread the Harry Potter books and show me where it specifically says that she's white. It's assumed that she is because there's no mention of her being any other ethnicity, and a good chunk of people take no mention as proof of white.

Regarding Hydra Cap, that was a change that affected the very fabric of the character. Turning cap day would not have changed the fabric of his character, neither would making him black or a woman. Making him a secret member of the organization he's been fighting for his entire comic book history is a bit different.

Especially so in modern times where the push to equate Hydra with super Nazis has been so prevalent.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

If I'm remembering correctly his sexual orientation was never addresses in the original text.

He had a wife.

Regarding Hermione, go reread the Harry Potter books and show me where it specifically says that she's white. It's assumed that she is because there's no mention of her being any other ethnicity, and a good chunk of people take no mention as proof of white.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/18b95fd239e48f5a58b24a8fa59c4739/tumblr_inline_nzqgxpnIrb1srvk0m_500.jpg

Rowling's own depiction of Hermione shows that she's caucasian. You can tell because she's standing next to Dean Thomas (a black kid).

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-02/11/15/enhanced/webdr02/enhanced-buzz-12345-1423685223-4.jpg

Regarding Hydra Cap, that was a change that affected the very fabric of the character.

Well, it's still a gimmick. Marvel telegraphed very clearly they wanted this to be an event. That's why the issue sold out. I bet within a year or two Cap will be back to his old self.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If I'm remembering correctly, he had a wife.

Well, it's still a gimmick. Marvel telegraphed very clearly they wanted this to be an event. That's why the issue sold out. I bet within a year or two Cap will be back to his old self.

Sulu had a daughter. Never do they confirm that he had that daughter with a wife.

And Hydra Cap is so clearly a gimmick. :tlol: I don't think I've ever been able to read any mainstream Marvel comic. Read "Alias" and a bunch of "Iron Fist"... I think that's it.

[plastroncafe]

Text, not images. The words themselves.
Rowling may have envisioned Hermione as white, but she didn't codify that actual words of the story, thus opening the door for colorblind casting.

If I remember correctly it wasn't until some of the later books that we learn the gender of Blaise zabini because I'd how they're referred to.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I don't think I've ever been able to read any mainstream Marvel comic. Read "Alias" and a bunch of "Iron Fist"... I think that's it.

Same. I just can't look at modern comics at all without being turned off by all the shenanigans. But you've never read ANY mainstream Marvel? Even stuff from, like, the '70s? Because that's some good stuff there.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Text, not images. The words themselves.
Rowling may have envisioned Hermione as white, but she didn't codify that actual words of the story, thus opening the door for colorblind casting.

I accidentally posted the same image twice. I now have textual evidence in my post.

[plastroncafe]

Oh well holy crap! I stand corrected!
Still love the casting decision are the play but, yeah can't deny that.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

If the leaked plot is true then the play is doomed to suck anyway, no matter who they cast as Hermione.

I'm looking forward to the inevitable film adaptation in 20 years with Radcliffe, Grint, and Watson though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Same. I just can't look at modern comics at all without being turned off by all the shenanigans. But you've never read ANY mainstream Marvel? Even stuff from, like, the '70s? Because that's some good stuff there.

Nah, I mostly read indie comics. I hate crossovers. I've come close to reading some X-Men, Iron Man, and Captain America... just haven't gotten around to it yet.

Oh well holy crap! I stand corrected!
Still love the casting decision are the play but, yeah can't deny that.

Personally speaking, I can't imagine anyone who isn't Emma Watson playing Hermoine. She owned that role.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If the leaked plot is true then the play is doomed to suck anyway, no matter who they cast as Hermione.

I'm looking forward to the inevitable film adaptation in 20 years with Radcliffe, Grint, and Watson though.

I'm optimistic that the leaked plot is BS. Goes against too much of what JKR wrote in the original stuff.

Like, NoNose doesn't feel love, yo.

[plastroncafe]

Personally speaking, I can't imagine anyone who isn't Emma Watson playing Hermoine. She owned that role.

As a kid yeah, but that age makeup was terrible in the epilogue. I would be curious to see the three of them play those characters again as adults.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

As a kid yeah, but that age makeup was terrible in the epilogue. I would be curious to see the three of them play those characters again as adults.

Yeah, absolutely. It felt very tacked on. Much better in the book, but then, everything is better in the books.

Terrible movies, amazing cast. Just like Abrams' Star Trek, except much less soulless.

[plastroncafe]

Yeah, with the exception of Cumberbatch as Khan the new trek casting people have been on point.

If only the screenwriters, costumers, and directors would follow suit

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, with the exception of Cumberbatch as Khan the new trek casting people have been on point.

If only the screenwriters, costumers, and directors would follow suit

Cumberbatch was a great villain, just not Khan. Imagine what he could have done as an original villain.

But why why WHY did they cast an amazing actor like Idris Elba and then cover him completely in latex, CGI, makeup or whatever?

[plastroncafe]

Cumberbatch was a great villain, just not Khan. Imagine what he could have done as an original villain.

But why why WHY did they cast an amazing actor like Idris Elba and then cover him completely in latex, CGI, makeup or whatever?

EXACTLY!
I know a lot of people are burned out on seeing Cumberbatch in things, but I'm still endlessly entertained by the guy.

But casting him as Khan? Was a HUGE mistake.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

EXACTLY!
I know a lot of people are burned out on seeing Cumberbatch in things, but I'm still endlessly entertained by the guy.

But casting him as Khan? Was a HUGE mistake.

That whole movie was a huge mistake. :tlol:

[plastroncafe]

That whole movie was a huge mistake. :tlol:

HA!
Agreed.
It's like...they don't understand what made Star Trek STAR TREK.
Sure there was drama and intrigue, but it wasn't just lens flare and explosions.

It was sure nice of them to fix the female officers' uniforms so there was room for rank insignia.
:roll:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

HA!
Agreed.
It's like...they don't understand what made Star Trek STAR TREK.
Sure there was drama and intrigue, but it wasn't just lens flare and explosions.

It was sure nice of them to fix the female officers' uniforms so there was room for rank insignia.
:roll:

No emotion, no statements on the human condition, no intelligence. Gah.

What'd you think of the 2009 reboot? Overall I thought it was "meh"... hated emotional Spock, thought the movie was rife with unintelligent and terrible writing, but hey; it left things in a good place. Now go tell new and interesting Star Trek stories.

But instead, "The Wrath of John Harrison" happened. And why is Uhura nothing more than the love interest? She's played by Zoe Saldana, for crying out loud.

Not My Star Trek. Not Even Star Trek At All.

But hey, Fast and Furious: Star Trek comes out later this year. Yippee.

[plastroncafe]

I'm hoping this third installment will be better than the previous two, because at least people who know and love the property will be making it.

Rather than Abrams, who used it as his audition to tackle Star Wars.
Which....he seems to "get" way more than Trek. SO at least there's that.

What I would really love though?
That cast doing a Trek TV show.
Karl Urban as Bones is freakin' INSPIRED.

[NinjaPug]

JJ's biggest strength as a filmmaker is his casting ability. There's just no substance behind any of his work though so tackling Star Trek was a bad fit from the beginning.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

hated emotional Spock, thought the movie was rife with unintelligent and terrible writing

Totally. I laughed out loud when child Spock asked his bullies, "I presume you have new insults prepared today?" It was just so corny. :lol:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm hoping this third installment will be better than the previous two, because at least people who know and love the property will be making it.

Rather than Abrams, who used it as his audition to tackle Star Wars.
Which....he seems to "get" way more than Trek. SO at least there's that.

What I would really love though?
That cast doing a Trek TV show.
Karl Urban as Bones is freakin' INSPIRED.

Karl does NOT get enough screentime. Every movie I've seen him in, that dude rocks. And he is absolutely BONES.

The casting for Kirk, Spock, Bones, Uhura, Checkov (RIP), and Sulu have been perfect. But Simon Pegg as Scotty is just bizarre to me... and I love Simon Pegg movies. But not in Star Trek, c'mon.

The Fast and Furious style trailer did not do anything to assuage my rage and disgust towards Abrams Trek. I predict it will be more of the same.

JJ's biggest strength as a filmmaker is his casting ability. There's just no substance behind any of his work though so tackling Star Trek was a bad fit from the beginning.

Agreed.

[TigerClaw]

The 1st reactions to the movie are very positive.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/scifi_movies/star_trek/first-reactions-for-star-trek-beyond-say-its-a-blast-a-a143441

[CyberCubed]

If this movie bombs it might be the last one with the rebooted cast. Now with a new series coming out I'm not sure this movie line will continue.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Let it die.

[Andrew NDB]

The Fast and Furious style trailer did not do anything to assuage my rage and disgust towards Abrams Trek. I predict it will be more of the same.

Did Rihanna's endorsement of the movie not change your mind?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Did Rihanna's endorsement of the movie not change your mind?

Sticks and stones may break her bones, but whips and chains excite her. And Star Trek, apparently. :tshifty:

Coming from a woman who starred in "Battleship", her endorsement doesn't exactly ring very loudly for me. :tlol:

[Spike Spiegel]

Sticks and stones may break her bones, but whips and chains excite her. And Star Trek, apparently. :tshifty:

Coming from a woman who starred in "Battleship", her endorsement doesn't exactly ring very loudly for me. :tlol:

I wonder if she's ever even watched an episode of Star Trek...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I wonder if she's ever even watched an episode of Star Trek...

Everybody's seen at least one episode of Star Trek. It's a fundamental law of the universe, like "equal and opposite reaction for every action"...

[Spike Spiegel]

Everybody's seen at least one episode of Star Trek. It's a fundamental law of the universe, like "equal and opposite reaction for every action"...

I knew a guy in undergrad who had never seen any Trek but was a huge Doctor Who fan.

[Cure]

The 1st reactions to the movie are very positive.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/scifi_movies/star_trek/first-reactions-for-star-trek-beyond-say-its-a-blast-a-a143441

That's good to hear. Super excited for this.

[Andrew NDB]

The 1st reactions to the movie are very positive.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/scifi_movies/star_trek/first-reactions-for-star-trek-beyond-say-its-a-blast-a-a143441

I dunno... some of those micro-reviews seem a little bit... a little...

http://mygreenapple.org/sites/default/files/Plant%20a%20garden%20LARGE%20RESIZED.jpg

[CyberCubed]

Everybody's seen at least one episode of Star Trek. It's a fundamental law of the universe, like "equal and opposite reaction for every action"...

I used to watch Star Trek with my father. I've seen roughly half TOS, half TNG, all of Deep Space 9, and most of Voyager. Probably half of Enterprise as well.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I used to watch Star Trek with my father. I've seen roughly half TOS, half TNG, all of Deep Space 9, and most of Voyager. Probably half of Enterprise as well.

My opinion of you just leveled up. :tcool:

[CyberCubed]

One day I do want to sit down and do a proper watch of TOS and Next Generation. Deep Space Nine is the only series I've seen every single episode.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

One day I do want to sit down and do a proper watch of TOS and Next Generation. Deep Space Nine is the only series I've seen every single episode.

Well, for my money, DS9 is the best. So you've got the essentials. TNG is my second favorite... lotta good stuff in there.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, for my money, DS9 is the best. So you've got the essentials. TNG is my second favorite... lotta good stuff in there.

Agreed. Though I maintain that the 3rd season of Enterprise -- taken as a whole, as it's one storyline -- is the best Trek I've ever seen.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Agreed. Though I maintain that the 3rd season of Enterprise -- taken as a whole, as it's one storyline -- is the best Trek I've ever seen.

I prefer DS9 Season's 5 and 6. :twink:

But Enterprise had some good stuff, too... my least favorite would be Voyager. It failed to live up to its potential.

[Andrew NDB]

my least favorite would be Voyager. It failed to live up to its potential.

Mine as well. It was never inherently terrible, but it was never really good either. Just sort of... subpar and average the whole way through. Like, pick any forgettable but not outright bad episode of TNG, and imagine a show that's 7 seasons worth of episodes like those, and that's Voyager.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Mine as well. It was never inherently terrible, but it was never really good either. Just sort of... subpar and average the whole way through. Like, pick any forgettable but not outright bad episode of TNG, and imagine a show that's 7 seasons worth of episodes like those, and that's Voyager.

nuBattlestar Galactica is what Voyager SHOULD have been. Each episode to the next, supplies dwindled, another part of the ship broke down, we need water, we need ore, we need supplies. Voyager just tootled along like it was hitting up Spacedock offscreen during commercial breaks.

And the Voyager/Maquis friction disappeared after, what, two or three episodes? That should have been kept longer.

And ALL of the crew were just Star Trek stereotypes by that point... especially the angsty Klingon. Janeway was a'ight... really wish they'd done better by her. Only Seven and the Doctor were unique and interesting characters for me.

[NinjaPug]

@colliderfrosty: Paramount is now lifting the STAR TREK BEYOND review embargo tomorrow at noon pst.

[plastroncafe]

Agreed. Though I maintain that the 3rd season of Enterprise -- taken as a whole, as it's one storyline -- is the best Trek I've ever seen.

Galaxy Quest is the best Trek I've ever seen.

[ZariusTwo]

A fourth Trek has been confirmed by Abrams, and Chris Hemsworth will return

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-trek/news/a801568/chris-hemsworth-back-for-star-trek-four/

[Andrew NDB]

A fourth Trek has been confirmed by Abrams, and Chris Hemsworth will return

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/star-trek/news/a801568/chris-hemsworth-back-for-star-trek-four/

"Confirmed" at this point only means they've hired a guy or two to write a script. A bomb-tastic showing of Star Trek Beyond will ground things at that.

[TigerClaw]

Star Trek Beyond currently has a 92% on Rotten Tomatoes, Looks like this one is way better then Into Darkness.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_beyond/

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Star Trek Beyond currently has a 92% on Rotten Tomatoes, Looks like this one is way better then Into Darkness.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_beyond/

There's a difference between being a good movie and being a good Star Trek movie.

[ZariusTwo]

Just got back from Beyond.

Overall, very pleasantly surprised. It's a grounded, solid done-in-one Star Trek escapade with a crop of characters you're all too familiar. Lots to enjoy here, like the old Spock/McCoy double-act

Kirk's "I'll see myself in the bar for a drink" from a tv spot is not in the final cut of the movie

People raised a big fuss about Sulu's sexual preference, but it's not a big deal at all, his husband gets no lines, and he and their daughter's only seen fleetingly in two scenes (one when they arrive at Yorktown, and when Yorktown is attacked by Krall's 'bees'), Sulu does do a lot in the film, like helming the crippled Enterprise, learning how Krall kept tabs on everyone, and flying the Franklyn.

Checkov got plenty to do, being Kirk's partner for much of the second act of the movie, and actually asking the questions the audience had directly to Kirk even if the answers were a little dodgy (like how Kirk knew not to trust the alien captain who set them up)

The theme of "Starfleet Military are assholes" crops up again as Krall is revealed to be the Franklyn's captain genetically modified, who's angry Starfleet left him and his crew on the planet

Quite liked how Kirk was able to hide the artefact Krall was seeking in the back of an alien crewmember's head, and then that same alien was swiftly killed by the same artefact's true power. Poetry.

"Fight the Power" is one of the soundtracks played on the Franklyn, and yes, "Sabotage" is what they use at the end to disrupt the swarm.

What I also liked was Kirk and Spock not telling the other the true extent of their decisions to retire, only to change their minds before addressing it, they sum it up as "more or less" in response to the other's questions and leave it at that.

The touching tribute to Ambassador Spock is handled with Spock looking at a photo of the classic series cast, and when Kirk toasts "absent friends", it takes on a significantly different meaning in light of Yelichin's loss.

I'd give it a ***1/2, if you're not into episodic Trek, it's probably not your thing.

[TigerClaw]

Saw it today, It was really good and way better then Into Darkness.

[Andrew NDB]

It had the lowest opening of any of the Abrams Treks at 59 million, 89 million worldwide. Still a stronger opening than "Ghostbusters."

That we're in a world where a Star Trek movie beats out a Ghostbusters movie can really only be a testament to a Ghostbusters movie being pretty bad.

[ranger_scout]

I went to see the film yesterday and I thought it was great. This was IMO an improvement over Star Trek: Into Darkness and it's clear that Simon Pegg, who co-wrote the script, really wanted to please the die-hard fans of the franchise. Karl Urban's performance was one of the biggest highlights of the movie. The tribute to Ambassador Spock was handled very well and I also liked that the rest of the original crew was acknowledged as well. Anton Yelchin will be greatly missed after this film.

[CyberCubed]

I liked it well enough. The cast has really grown into their roles and I've grown fond of them and their chemistry with each other. I really hope we get at least 6 movies out of this new young cast, sans Yelchin unfortunately.

The movie itself was pretty good, if too action oriented but what do you expect. If they can bring the science aspect of Trek back and make the movies more philosophical than action-oriented we'd have a winning formula.

[Andrew NDB]

It's OK, better than Into Darkness, but just sort of a reimagining of Insurrection with a bigger budget. But even with a good amount of chuckle-worthy moments and "Hey, that looks kinda cool" things, nothing is really changing the fact that this new timeline is sh*t and it's hard to feel anything but completely divorced from it.

[Zak The Neutrino]

I liked it well enough. The cast has really grown into their roles and I've grown fond of them and their chemistry with each other. I really hope we get at least 6 movies out of this new young cast, sans Yelchin unfortunately.

The movie itself was pretty good, if too action oriented but what do you expect. If they can bring the science aspect of Trek back and make the movies more philosophical than action-oriented we'd have a winning formula.

Yeah I mean they did 6 movies last time so we should get 6 movies this time.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah I mean they did 6 movies last time so we should get 6 movies this time.

No, they did 4 movies last time.

[Spike Spiegel]

No, they did 4 movies last time.

No love for Final Frontier and Undiscovered Country? Or are you ignoring TMP?

[Andrew NDB]

No love for Final Frontier and Undiscovered Country? Or are you ignoring TMP?

The "last" run of Trek movies was the TNG ones. Those lasted 4 films.

[Zak The Neutrino]

The "last" run of Trek movies was the TNG ones. Those lasted 4 films.

I was talking about original series to original series but it was also a joke. :tgrin:

[CyberCubed]

This movie has been pretty well reviewed. I also see a lot of Trek fans liking the movie on various forums. If it weren't due to the huge focus on action they could eventually make a pretty decent sub-series out of this universe.

[TigerClaw]

The movie is available for preorder on Amazon, and it comes with a USS Franklin statue, It cost 49.99.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/scifi_movies/star_trek/star-trek-beyond-collectors-blu-ray-gift-set-comes-with-an-a144295

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81kD%2BfRMOAL._SL1500_.jpg
https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Amazon-Exclusive-Digital-Blu-ray/dp/B01IWM3OX2/ref=tmm_mfc_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1470501254&sr=8-1

[plastroncafe]

I caught this today and really enjoyed it, so much so that I'm hoping to catch it again before it leaves theaters.

I don't know that I'd say this was a perfect Trek movie, but it's certainly far closer to the spirit of the original series than the previous two. And to be honest, I'd really watch that cast do just about anything.

In particular Karl Urban, who's Deforest Kelly impersonation I never tire of.

I fully admit to tearing up a bit when I first saw Checkov on screen.


The same went with every Nimoy/Spock reference.

Left the theater thinking to myself:
See Superman? THAT'S how to be a depressed reluctant hero rejecting your journey. That's how you do it. Be more like Cap'n Kirk, Kal'El.

[ProactiveMan]

I went to see this on Saturday and I liked it a lot. I'm not a diehard Star Trek fan, but I've seen the TV shows and the movies and I thought this one was really good. I was a bit dubious about Simon Pegg's involvement because for whatever reason he's been giving me the sh*ts lately, but he and the other writer did a good job, so it’s kind of a shame that they’re talking about the next one as though it will be another Orci Abrams joint.

[ZariusTwo]

I saw this again last Tuesday, and enjoyed it even more. It's just such a throwback to the eras of Trek I grew up on. I kind of wish the Franklin was used in the Discovery tv series.

[plastroncafe]

I think we might be past the point of network television getting Elba, but that would be something amazing, right?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think we might be past the point of network television getting Elba, but that would be something amazing, right?

The BBC got him. Check out Luther.

[plastroncafe]

The BBC got him. Check out Luther.

Oh I have, it's amazing.
Though he'll always be Stringer Bell to me first.

[TigerClaw]

How Star Trek Beyond Should Have Ended.

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[Andrew NDB]

What?! This is insane. I just sprayed water on my monitor when I read this.

https://www.slashfilm.com/1457551/star-trek-beyond-justin-lin-simon-pegg-almost-quit/?utm_source=FB-BP-SlashFilm&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_campaign=feed&fbclid=IwAR3NiT-xTXghNO96R1UUow3Y26_pI67UBlDVdgAZj9RBZVZS0qmbGPeKC Hs

Basically when Justin Lin was pitching his ideas for Star Trek Beyond, nobody liked them especially Simon Pegg... until they found common ground that they were all equally upset about the rise of "the Extreme Right" in both the US and England in 2016. And so the movie was inspired by Trump and Brexit. Just like Picard season 1!

wtf is it with these people?!

[Sumac]

Two retards found each other.

[ZariusTwo]

Remember the two Star Trek scripts that were making headlines a few years ago? One about Kirk teaming up with his dad, and the other a Quentin Tarintino flick about 1930s mobsters? I decided 'why not make them the same story?'


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[Andrew NDB]

and the other a Quentin Tarintino flick about 1930s mobsters?

It was never really confirmed that was what it was going to be about. The rumor flew out and people kept repeating it as if it was fact.

[neatoman]

I was a little confused as to why this thread got necroposted since, you know, he is definitely never making another movie again since last year.