The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

[Drifty]

The evidence that the Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio is crushing. The US government can't censor the evidence that's on the internet but it can bury it with disinformation and obfuscation. If you enter "Apollo hoax" in Google, you'll find about fifteen pro-Apollo sites for every hoax site. I made a collection of some of the hoax evidence the government is trying to bury.

[Mod Edit by Machias: Okay... you don't exactly get off on the right foot when the first thing you do is do a huge self-advertisement of your own videos/ personal political agenda. :ohwell: ]

[Leo656]

We had one of you already about ten years ago and they were a lot more entertaining. Bye.

[Drifty]

...continued

[Mod Edit: Same as above. Why don't you tell us about yourself? What do you like about the TMNT? Do you read comic books, or write or draw turtles?]

[Drifty]

...continued


[Mod Edit by Machias: Speaking of the moon... I remember there was a TMNT action figure of a astronaut...]

[Leo656]

I swear, they let just anyone in here nowadays.

[Candy Kappa]

Cool story bro. Gonna tell us that the Aliens made the pyramids as well?

[Leo656]

Wasn't Jarrah White that fruit basket that used to post here with all his nutbag conspiracy theories? I thought for sure the lizard people would have dragged him to their subterranean lair and eaten him alive for exposing too many of their secrets by now.

[Candy Kappa]

Reptilians don't eat stupid people, it's contagious.

[Raven]

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.608053050364920349&pid=15.1&P=0

[Drifty]

[Mod Edit by Machias: I do have to say, I did try space ice cream once. Kinda dry and chewy, but it was alright. I also have an original Fisher space pen - it writes upside down and in either super hot or sub-zero temperatures. VERY useful... ]

[Aaronardo]

I sense a certain Unit for this thread in the future.
Seriously though, come on, most of the time I tell trolls they're not trying hard enough, but this is just way too hard .-.
Anyway, head on over to a Conspiracy Theory forum to talk about this, not a TMNT forum. Last I checked, TMNT had nothing to do with the Apollo Moon missions.
...or are they?!

[Leo656]

I can't stick around because this cybercare is about to close. I'll be back tomorrow.

Jesus, f*ck, no. Seriously, don't f*cking do that.

[Candy Kappa]

Well, they where originally meant to be aliens with the Bule adoor script for the 2014 movie...

They might have faked the moon landing

[pennydreadful]

... you joined the forum just to post about this?

What are they putting in the coffee here lately? *checks coffee mug suspiciously*

[Leo656]

A lot of older folks have popped up again recently. If by some chance this turned out to be that cat from back in the day, I'ma laugh my balls off.

[Candy Kappa]

Reptilians mucous, all conspiracy mooks drink that kind of Kool aid.

[Cure]

Wasn't Jarrah White that fruit basket that used to post here with all his nutbag conspiracy theories? I thought for sure the lizard people would have dragged him to their subterranean lair and eaten him alive for exposing too many of their secrets by now.

Yeah, it was him. Also loved Venus porn.

[IndigoErth]

That much research to equal that many links surely can stand as established proof that one has too much time on his or her hands.

And why about the moon still. Europe recently landed a thingy on a frikking comet, is that going to be debated too? If not, then why not. lol That's like trying to land a kitten in an armored remote controlled suit on a speeding fright train from 100 miles away.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, this guy definitely has too much time on their hands. I never was around when Jarrah was, but he sounded like a nutcase.

[TurtleTitan97]

......What the heck did I just look at?

[BubblyShell22]

Crazy gibberish from a crazy person.

[Peanut]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/tmntrule/jarrahOHGOD.jpg

[ObiWanFan4life]

I thought I'd seen it all with a guy pretending to be the shredder, turns out I was wrong........again.

[Cure]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/tmntrule/jarrahOHGOD.jpg

Oh my God, I forgot about that.

[Machias Banshee]

Sorry guys... it's not Jarrah.


Maybe I shouldn't be sorry...

[Jester]

White....Jarrah White Jr.

[Raven]

Yeah, this guy definitely has too much time on their hands. I never was around when Jarrah was, but he sounded like a nutcase.

A hilarious nutcase!

[blindturtle02]

White....Jarrah White Jr.

To quote Jack Skelington,"What... is... this?" My screen reader just crashed! Seriously had to restart it. Well oooo... kay. I'm gonna go drink some hot chocolate now.(backs away slowly) Anyone else got this stuck in their heads? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE

[Jester]

To quote Jack Skelington,"What... is... this?" My screen reader just crashed! Seriously had to restart it. Well oooo... kay. I'm gonna go drink some hot chocolate now.(backs away slowly) Anyone else got this stuck in their heads? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE
"Who rigs every Oscar night!" totally reminded me of Tapped Out. :P

[snake]

I totally agree! Do you own a tinfoil hat too? Did you know the 9/11 was an inside job?

[Jester]

I totally agree! Do you own a tinfoil hat too? Did you know the 9/11 was an inside job?
w-0TEJMJOhk

How did it take me THIS long to post this!?

[snake]

w-0TEJMJOhk

How did it take me THIS long to post this!?

Love the turn at the end of that video. Hilarious.

[Leo656]

I was kinda hoping it was Jarrah for a second.

This place has its share of "annoying" and even plain ol' "stupid", but I think what this cesspool has been missing for a while is just plain Batsh*t Crazy. If for no other reason than it tends to unite the regular members against a common enemy.

[Katie]

He may not be Jarrah, but he's a fan. He posted this same post...under the same name....on other forums as well.

Google "drifty Apollo hoax". That should bring it up.

Busy little Rhode Islander.

[Leo656]

I'll take your word for it. :lol:

With as much time as these cats have to do all their "research", they clearly don't have jobs, and yet, they can afford those lovely tinfoil hats. Amazing.

[ProactiveMan]

He may not be Jarrah, but he's a fan. He posted this same post...under the same name....on other forums as well.

I assume that is the government trying to discredit him.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I'll tell you one thing, Machias' mod edits are quite funny.

[Mayhem]

Yeah, gave me a chuckle.

The most compelling evidence that all was genuine is that the Russians never complained, never stated they didn't believe the Americans got to the moon during the 60s or 70s. If they believed, and I'm sure they would have done their research and checking otherwise, then who shouldn't?

[AT-Man]

x7RP6JqZgQ8

[Katie]

Yeah, gave me a chuckle.

The most compelling evidence that all was genuine is that the Russians never complained, never stated they didn't believe the Americans got to the moon during the 60s or 70s. If they believed, and I'm sure they would have done their research and checking otherwise, then who shouldn't?

I read somewhere that better than 50% of modern Russians don't believe the U.S. went to the moon.

At some point Occam's razor has to come into play with these conspiracy theory guys. If your "truth" requires a lot of mental gymnastics and worlds of different groups all working together to make your stance correct, it might be time to step back and look at the most simple solution.

[Drifty]

Why don't you tell us about yourself?
I didn't want to bore the viewers but, if you insist...

I'm an American. I live in Madrid. I work as an English teacher.

I saw the first TMNT movie when if first came out back in 1990 or so. My girlfriend wanted to see something else but I talked her into seeing it.

I do like fantasy films and some people think that's a little strange. I saw Iron Man and Thor.

This is my favorite cinema in Madrid.
https://www.google.es/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=eHyRVKCeBpGt8wfGjYLoBg&gws_rd=ssl#q=filmoteca+madrid+spain

I like it because it shows movies that are on the black list that aren't shown in normal cinemas such as these.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=battle+of+algiers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjrrcLuU5hA&index=1&list=PL5Di349qQ9BZQ3n4ai2f1ivgy0pSlNKHL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-1LZ9L6dhQ
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ice+robert+kramer

I had no idea that my not talking about myself would be frowned on. I'm just trying to show young people what the government doesn't want them to see.

[Peanut]

I like you, Drifty. Stick around.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I had no idea that my not talking about myself would be frowned on. I'm just trying to show young people what the government doesn't want them to see.

The government is a VERY Risky subject on the 'Drome.

[ZariusTwo]

Yeah, this guy definitely has too much time on their hands. I never was around when Jarrah was, but he sounded like a nutcase.

Two words: Preggers Ranma1/2 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4104EF06AC32B357)

[BubblyShell22]

Wow, Zar. Thanks for directing me to that. Definitely sounds crazy.

[Katie]

Young people...

Ya know "young people" can realize the government has secrets and doesn't tell the population everything without buying into crazy conspiracy theories.

There is absolutely no evidence that has been presented on the Apollo hoax front that has ever given me any reason to NOT believe that man stepped on the moon.

[Leo656]

Guy's a teacher. ((Shudder))

[Venom]

Guy's a teacher. ((Shudder))

I feel sorry for his students, especially if he tries to pass if such trite as the moon landing hoax conspiracy as fact.

There is plenty evidence we did go to the moon, such as the Apollo landing site being visible with a telescope, and the lunar laser ranging retroreflector array that we bounce lasers off of to ping the distance from the Earth and moon.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

You know, it's not a very good conspiracy if even the English teachers know all about it.

[tmnt transformer]

The government does hide a lot of things…. but honestly, there is absolutely nothing to disprove the apollo moon mission. Even the mythbusters disproved all of the conspiracy theorists claims…. Now the real question is, why is this guy not banned yet. He obviously just another guy who thinks he belongs here because he saw the 1990 movie as a kid.

[Leo656]

Eh, it's because of the movie getting released on DVD. Every time any new TMNT media gets released, the collective IQ of the entire forum drops about 80 points with all the jokers who storm the gates.

[tmnt transformer]

Eh, it's because of the movie getting released on DVD. Every time any new TMNT media gets released, the collective IQ of the entire forum drops about 80 points with all the jokers who storm the gates.

No wonder….. that needs to be changed….

[pennydreadful]

I'm just trying to show young people what the government doesn't want them to see.

You are aware that the majority of the active forum members are actually adults, right? You're not on the clock here dude - you don't need to educate us or show us The Big Truth. We're not all sheeple in need of guidance - we have our own opinions and our own truths.

[Gunpowder]

You know what, Drifty? Troll or not, I respect you for speakin' up for what you believe is the truth. But you gotta realize you're not fooling anyone, and that 99% of us are gonna think you're a nutcase. :tlol:

[slashpieturtlemix]

This thread made me laugh. I like to think of myself as a highly intelligent person and I don't normally see conspiracies for things I think of as a solid fact lol keep it up!

I hope we can do more conspiracies. We need to do more random ones. Like how Reeses stole their recipe from Abraham Lincoln!

[Peanut]

Dog piling is ugly, kids. Knock it off.

[Gunpowder]

Dog piling is ugly, kids. Knock it off.

I don't really consider what I said as "dog piling"... But all right.

[Slade]

I believe ya maaaan

[BubblyShell22]

I don't because I think it's all a load of B.S.

[Slade]

I was doing that in a stoner voice....

[MsMarvelDuckie]

LOL, that was exactly how I read it, too!

As long as we're on about conspiracies- we all know that Hitler was never killed, right? He spent his remaining years in Hawaii, to be joined later by Marilyn Monroe and Elvis.

[snake]

LOL, that was exactly how I read it, too!

As long as we're on about conspiracies- we all know that Hitler was never killed, right? He spent his remaining years in Hawaii, to be joined later by Marilyn Monroe and Elvis.

And JFK. Don't forget JFK.

[Peanut]

I don't really consider what I said as "dog piling"... But all right.

Did I specifically mention you or imply I meant everyone in the thread?

[Gunpowder]

Did I specifically mention you or imply I meant everyone in the thread?

You implied that everyone in the thread, including me, was attacking the guy. Which isn't true. But I agree with you - people should ease up on him.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

And JFK. Don't forget JFK.

D'oh! I knew there was someone else in that time-share.... :trazz:

[BubblyShell22]

I was doing that in a stoner voice....

Oh, okay. I wasn't sure if you were serious or not. Hard to tell when you're typing.

[Drifty]

I want to discuss the actual anomalies in question.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

Let's hear some analyses of the anomalies. Let's have a real discussion that actually goes somewhere.

[snake]

I want to discuss the actual anomalies in question.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

Let's hear some analyses of the anomalies. Let's have a real discussion that actually goes somewhere.

Cool. But I still don't buy it.

[Leo656]

I'm genuinely baffled that someone thinks THIS place is a good place to have this talk, regardless.

That's like someone discovering concrete proof that 9/11 was an inside job, and they reveal it to the world on the f*cking Bozo The Clown show.

[slashpieturtlemix]

I want to discuss the actual anomalies in question.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

Let's hear some analyses of the anomalies. Let's have a real discussion that actually goes somewhere.

Well NASA announced recently that they are planning trips to revisit the moon in about two years. So if they never went to the moon before, then they are going to have a tough time with their policy of taking pictures every five minutes to document their trips. This will be interesting to see how NASA can fake this one! At least we know that the rocket launches are real.

[Davetello]

I'm genuinely baffled that someone thinks THIS place is a good place to have this talk, regardless.

That's like someone discovering concrete proof that 9/11 was an inside job, and they reveal it to the world on the f*cking Bozo The Clown show.


:lol: :lol:

I've seen some intelligent political analysis on places you certainly wouldn't expect.

[Netkeeper]

Sneaking suspicion op may be a bot or something similar.

[Davetello]

The fly that landed on my moon during my last shower certainly wasn't fake. Little pr!ck.

[Leo656]

...Yours or the fly? BOOM! :tlol:

[Davetello]

I was flaccid, so both. I'm a grower not a shower.

[Peanut]

You implied that everyone in the thread, including me, was attacking the guy. Which isn't true. But I agree with you - people should ease up on him.

Maybe if you live in an alternate reality where the word "kids" is used to imply "everyone", maybe. Either way, no, that wasn't my intention.

[Davetello]

Well, dog piling means that more and more people are ganging up on a sole person. And seeing as Gunpowder was the penultimate person to post before you made the comment, it's quite clear that his post contributed to your comment.

But hey; if you wanna try and weasel your way out of it, that's up to you. I personally think you should stand your ground when someone says something to you, but that would require some mental fortitude I suppose.

[Gunpowder]

Maybe if you live in an alternate reality where the word "kids" is used to imply "everyone", maybe. Either way, no, that wasn't my intention.

Then I am MAJORLY confused, because you did use the word "kids" to refer to everyone. But if you wanna get technical about it and try to tell me you were using the term literally, snake and I have been amongst the youngest users (if not THE youngest) to post to this thread, so no matter what way you used "kids", I still would've been involved.

If you were referring to a specific group of people, well, you didn't specify. So the way I (and everyone else) interpreted it, you were referring to everyone. Not trying to make a big thing out of this - just clarifying.

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I still don't buy the whole fake moon landing thing. As far as I'm concerned, it really happened.

[slashpieturtlemix]

Then I am MAJORLY confused, because you did use the word "kids" to refer to everyone. But if you wanna get technical about it and try to tell me you were using the term literally, snake and I have been amongst the youngest users (if not THE youngest) to post to this thread, so no matter what way you used "kids", I still would've been involved.

If you were referring to a specific group of people, well, you didn't specify. So the way I (and everyone else) interpreted it, you were referring to everyone. Not trying to make a big thing out of this - just clarifying.

And I am surprised that people didn't pop out and say that the term "kids" is plural lol

[BubblyShell22]

I don't care if someone were to call me a kid because they don't know how old I am. Hell, I look younger than I am, and I'm sure there are a lot of people who would mistake me for a young kid anyway.

[Cure]

What is even happening anymore? Christ.

[BubblyShell22]

I have no idea, but this is the Drome where topics often get derailed.

[tmnt transformer]

This needs to stop. It's really sad that a tmnt forum is turning into a battleground of random topics and dumb people spread thier dumb-butt opinion everywhere...

[Leo656]

Diiiiid ya notice this section is called General Discussion?

As in, a place where people can talk about other stuff besides TMNT.

Some of this stuff IS pretty dumb, but it's all in fun and it don't hurt anybody.

[pennydreadful]

I can't believe that 5 pages have been wrung out of this thread so far. :lol: This thread is like, the forum version of a Seinfeld episode: it's the thread about nothing.

[Peanut]

Then I am MAJORLY confused, because you did use the word "kids" to refer to everyone. But if you wanna get technical about it and try to tell me you were using the term literally, snake and I have been amongst the youngest users (if not THE youngest) to post to this thread, so no matter what way you used "kids", I still would've been involved.

If you were referring to a specific group of people, well, you didn't specify. So the way I (and everyone else) interpreted it, you were referring to everyone. Not trying to make a big thing out of this - just clarifying.

Holy sh*t. Get a grip. I didn't specify a group in a super obvious way to cater to people who lack comprehension skills, but I was VERY CLEARLY referring to everyone jumping this guy all at once. Your post WASN'T dog piling on the negativity being directed at this guy, so why would you assume I was speaking to you?

If I walked into a room where a bunch of people were sh*tting in the corner and said "Stop sh*tting in that corner, kids!" And you WEREN'T sh*tting in the corner...would you think I was referring to you specifically?

Either way. WHO GIVES A SH*T!? Christ.

[Katie]

Well you need to chat while you're crafting that fine tinfoil hat. There's plenty of threads to wear it in tonight

[snake]

Well you need to chat while you're crafting that fine tinfoil hat. There's plenty of threads to wear it in tonight

I'm loving every second of it.

[Davetello]

Well you need to chat while you're crafting that fine tinfoil hat. There's plenty of threads to wear it in tonight

It seems that anything even slightly conspiratorial is deemed as 'wearing a tinfoil hat' in your world. It must be wonderful to live life in such a naive fashion.

[Katie]

I'm loving every second of it.

Me too! It's so interesting to see what lengths people will go to in order to believe some of these conspiracy theories.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Yeah, I still don't buy the whole fake moon landing thing. As far as I'm concerned, it really happened.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/077/824/Its-Still-Real-to-Me-Dammit.jpg

[Gunpowder]

Holy sh*t. Get a grip. I didn't specify a group in a super obvious way to cater to people who lack comprehension skills, but I was VERY CLEARLY referring to everyone jumping this guy all at once. Your post WASN'T dog piling on the negativity being directed at this guy, so why would you assume I was speaking to you?

If I walked into a room where a bunch of people were sh*tting in the corner and said "Stop sh*tting in that corner, kids!" And you WEREN'T sh*tting in the corner...would you think I was referring to you specifically?

Either way. WHO GIVES A SH*T!? Christ.

"Get a grip"? I'm not the one who's overreacting and getting pissed off.

I've already said I agreed with what you meant by what you said, so let's both just drop it and move on.

[Drifty]

Let's talk about some actual hoax evidence.

Watch what happens as the astronaut trots by the flag at the 2:35 time mark of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

He doesn't touch the flag and it moves. Air made it move so this is proof that the footage was taken in a studio.

This video shows that it started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with atmosphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

So does this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
(18:50 time mark)

Here's some other stuff about the flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzk6H4voUGo
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker%3A+The+Flags+Are+Al ive
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker%3A+Flagging+The+Dea d+Horses


Let's hear some analyses of this anomaly.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I don't know much about the moon's atmosphere and gravity, so I'm not in a position to argue against any of that.

But you know, I doubt you have any idea what you're talking about either. I'm sure you've done no studying or research on the matter, and your only teacher is YouTube videos.

I thought you were a TMNT fan. You've spent your whole time here advertising your foolishness through a thread about how fake the moon landing was. Why don't you try posting in some other, TMNT-related threads?

[Katie]

Still nothing to convince me that man wasn't on the moon.

PS. I've seen the landing sites and flags and footprints through a telescope. Unless you figure out how all that and the footprints got there without man, let me know. Until then, Occam's Razor.

[Netkeeper]

I thought you were a TMNT fan. You've spent your whole time here advertising your foolishness through a thread about how fake the moon landing was. Why don't you try posting in some other, TMNT-related threads?
Because as I said earlier, it's probably a bot. I can't even call this a troll.

[BubblyShell22]

Let's talk about some actual hoax evidence.

Watch what happens as the astronaut trots by the flag at the 2:35 time mark of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

He doesn't touch the flag and it moves. Air made it move so this is proof that the footage was taken in a studio.

This video shows that it started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with atmosphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

So does this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
(18:50 time mark)

Here's some other stuff about the flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzk6H4voUGo
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker%3A+The+Flags+Are+Al ive
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker%3A+Flagging+The+Dea d+Horses


Let's hear some analyses of this anomaly.

Well, if he's in space, there has to be wind there, so that's why the flag moves. You don't have to touch a flag for it to move. That's just grasping at straws, dude.

[Katie]

Actually, there is no wind in space. It's a vacuum. The flag moves from being touched and the action/ reaction motion that follows and winds down eventually.

[BubblyShell22]

Ah, okay. I always thought there was wind in space. My bad.

[ZariusTwo]

Ah, okay. I always thought there was wind in space.

Watching Power Rangers will convince you of that.:P

[Drifty]

PS. I've seen the landing sites and flags and footprints through a telescope. Unless you figure out how all that and the footprints got there without man, let me know. Until then, Occam's Razor.

Not even the Hubble can see with enough resolution to be able to make out something the size of the Apollo landing sites.
http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.cat=topten&id=77

Please tell us which telescope you used.

Also, tell us what you think of this.
http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm


More here...
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

[Candy Kappa]

Are you the guy who have the picture of the "C" stone?

[Katie]

It's not hard to find an observatory which has time to view the LRO. Also helps that I live in a NASA town.

Tha paralaxis stuff doesn't convince me.

[Leo656]

I can't remember what they said but Mythbusters also explained the flag moving thing.

Also, who is "us"? Are you presenting this thread to someone else as part of some kind of sociology study or something? I'm still trying to figure out exactly WTF it is you're doing here besides stirring sh*t.

Watching Power Rangers will convince you of that.:P

So will that piece of sh*t Superman IV movie you love so much. :P J/K. YOU MY BOY, BLUE!

[snake]

I can't remember what they said but Mythbusters also explained the flag moving thing.

Also, who is "us"? Are you presenting this thread to someone else as part of some kind of sociology study or something? I'm still trying to figure out exactly WTF it is you're doing here besides stirring sh*t.



So will that piece of sh*t Superman IV movie you love so much. :P J/K. YOU MY BOY, BLUE!

I really need to watch that Mythbusters episode. It sounds awesome.

[Katie]

I can't remember what they said but Mythbusters also explained the flag moving thing.

Also, who is "us"? Are you presenting this thread to someone else as part of some kind of sociology study or something? I'm still trying to figure out exactly WTF it is you're doing here besides stirring sh*t.



So will that piece of sh*t Superman IV movie you love so much. :P J/K. YOU MY BOY, BLUE!

He's using us as in him and the rest of the drome. As if you all buy this and I'm defending something no one else believes

[Leo656]

I wasn't sure if it was just that or if he was showing all this to someone else or something.

[Drifty]

I can't remember what they said but Mythbusters also explained the flag moving thing.

MythBusters was discredited a long time ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ajIVmGiQE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23BIb_PMJ4M
http://aulis.com/mythbusters.htm

Here's the MythBusters video you mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8


The first video on the above list exposes it as lame sophistry.

[ZariusTwo]

So will that piece of sh*t Superman IV movie you love so much. :P J/K. YOU MY BOY, BLUE!

...You have my voice...:P

"NO, YOU HAVE MY VOICE"

[Leo656]

Not gonna lie, I loved that part. :lol:

[TheCanadiandrome]

Watching Power Rangers will convince you of that.:P

bwahahaha! :lol:


So will that piece of sh*t Superman IV movie you love so much. :P J/K. YOU MY BOY, BLUE!

haha yes :lol:

[BubblyShell22]

Watching Power Rangers will convince you of that.:P

I always hated Power Rangers and called it Potty Trainers instead. My brother used to watch it though.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ah, okay. I always thought there was wind in space. My bad.

Technically, you're not wrong. There IS solar wind, but that is really more like radiation. Still, it's "wind"! And it does affect objects in space, too.

[Mayhem]

Simplest explanation for the differences in flag movement is... the Mythbusters guys (and gal) used a lot more force in their experiment than was actually needed on the moon. The flag calms down eventually because of the resistance applied against the flag pole and holder itself.

As for the flag moving at 2:37 when the astronaut moves past, I'm pretty certain he touched it ever so slightly with the left side of his suit or arm. But you'll never have a camera angle or better quality footage to prove otherwise.

[Drifty]

Simplest explanation for the differences in flag movement is... the Mythbusters guys (and gal) used a lot more force in their experiment than was actually needed on the moon. The flag calms down eventually because of the resistance applied against the flag pole and holder itself.

Compare the flag movement at the 00:50 and 1:50 time marks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00

At the 1:50 time mark the movement of the support rod shows how the astronaut is turning the pole. The astronout is obviously not moving the pole in a way that slows the flag down. The flag slows down the same way it does in air in the MythBusters experiment. Their experiment was an attempt at obfuscation by people who knew the moon missions had been faked in a studio.

As for the flag moving at 2:37 when the astronaut moves past, I'm pretty certain he touched it ever so slightly with the left side of his suit or arm. But you'll never have a camera angle or better quality footage to prove otherwise.

This video shows that the flag started moving before he got close enough to touch it.

Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg


The flag movement is one hundred percent consistent with its being in atmosphere.


Here's something else.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jYLRglPxYo

Look how the guy from MythBusters avoids actually discussing the issue. It seems that he doesn't even want the audience to see what's being pointed out. He's behaving like a cornered sophist.

[Katie]

Jarrah is an idiot.

Not sure why you worship him so much. Looks like Grant was trying real hard not to tell him what an idiot he is. He used to be a part of this board....for actual TMNT talk.

Physics in a vacuum explains the movement. The flag pole was touched. Action / reaction explains the movement until all the kinetic energy wears out, then the flag remains static, which it would not in an atmosphere considering all the movement around it.

Occam's Razor, dude, Occam's Razor.

[Peanut]

Wait...he's linking Jarrah sh*t? There's no way this isn't Jarrah.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

This brings up a nice little side-note- a Late Renaissance Italian motto of unknown attribution- Se non è vero, è ben trovato ("Even if it is not true, it is well conceived") when referred to a particularly artful explanation. The "fake" lunar landing theory certainly falls under this category.

[Drifty]

Physics in a vacuum explains the movement. The flag pole was touched. Action / reaction explains the movement until all the kinetic energy wears out, then the flag remains static, which it would not in an atmosphere considering all the movement around it.

I showed that the movement in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU
(2:35 time mark)

...started before he got close enough to touch it with these two videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg


Just saying that it was touched doesn't debunk what those videos show. Tell us why those two videos don't show that the flag had already started moving before he got close enough to touch it.


You've also got these two to explain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
(18:50 time mark)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yup, you've convinced me- it was solar wind. Definitely a studio on the moon. I guess all those "moon rocks" they brought back were faked, too? I've YET to see anyone explain THAT as a hoax!!

[Drifty]

Here's some stuff about the rocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSIlgQhUi9A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AQQHTjeMkA
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker%3A+Moon+Rocks+Revis ited&aq=f

What Happened on the Moon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W79mIGx9Ib4
(3:27:23 time mark)

[snake]

He's Jarrah if he's linking him. I don't even know who that is, but they sound the same from what I heard.

[Leo656]

http://playingrickymorton.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/gorilla-monsoon-tshirt.jpg

I'd listen. Gorilla don't f*ck around.

[BubblyShell22]

Yep, makes me think he's Jarrah under a new name.

[pennydreadful]

Do I dare ask who Jarrah is/was?

[BubblyShell22]

A crazy guy who used to be a part of the forums who hated NASA and kept saying the moon landings were fake and things like that. He was also obsessed with Venus porn. I wasn't around when he was, but I've heard things, and he definitely sounds like a nutcase.

[Drifty]

Do I dare ask who Jarrah is/was?
Check out his work before you judge.

http://blog.happierabroad.com/2010/07/moon-hoax-debate-young-aussie-whips.html
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=moonfaker
http://www.moonfaker.com/home.html

This is especially good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ajIVmGiQE
MoonFaker: Phil Plait, Mythbusters & Dirty Tricks.

It gets really good in part 2.

[slashpieturtlemix]

I love how this thread became a discussion about physics. Luckily I kept my physics college book incase anyone needs formulas or anything :)

I also found this and I love it!

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/entertainment/top-5-proofs-that-the-moon-landing-happened.html

[tmnt transformer]

How the shell does this discussion keep continuing page after page?! Has this guy talked about anything other than how much he wants the moon mission to be fake?

[ZariusTwo]

Can someone do a double-check on this guy's IP so we can verify if this he is or isn't Jarrah?

[Leo656]

Too bad there are rules, We could just post some Venus porn and gauge his reaction. That'd clinch it. :lol:

[slashpieturtlemix]

Too bad there are rules, We could just post some Venus porn and gauge his reaction. That'd clinch it. :lol:

My mind would explode from hilarious moments that would follow lol

[Sumac]

A crazy guy who used to be a part of the forums who hated NASA and kept saying the moon landings were fake and things like that. He was also obsessed with Venus porn. I wasn't around when he was, but I've heard things, and he definitely sounds like a nutcase.
Oi.
Now, I can understand everything, but obsession with "Venus porn"?! :o

[BubblyShell22]

Yep, this guy was apparently in love with it.

And I agree with Leo that if it weren't for rules, that would be the best way to gauge his reaction.

[Drifty]

Regarding this-
http://uk.askmen.com/top_10/entertainment/top-5-proofs-that-the-moon-landing-happened.html

Here's some stuff about the Soviets.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker+cold+war&aq=f

http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
(excerpt)
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Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
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http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
(excerpt)
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The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
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Everyone should read Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.
http://libcom.org/history/articles/cold-war-1940-1989?quicktabs_1=0
(excerpt)
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On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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The fact that there are lots of photographs doesn't prove that the photographs weren't taken in a studio.

I alread posted some info on the rocks.

The faact that we don't read that no one on the inside disputed it doesn't mean anything.

http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/27709
(excerpts)
---------------------------------------------
Q: Why do prominent astronomers like Sir Bernard Lovell and Patrick Moore support the Moon landings if they were faked?

A: Scientists and astronomers around the globe know full well that the Moon missions were faked, but rely on NASA to gain access to the vital data beamed back to Earth from the Hubble space telescope. They cannot slag off NASA otherwise NASA would deprive them of this essential information, which they so much require.
---------------------------------------------
Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out.

A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”. Read comments from people who worked on the Apollo program in the APOLLO FEEDBACK section.
---------------------------------------------

It could have been faked more than once. They could have used the same studio more than once. Anyway, nothing on that page makes the clear proof of a hoax go away.

[slashpieturtlemix]

Regarding this-
http://uk.askmen.com/top_10/entertainment/top-5-proofs-that-the-moon-landing-happened.html

Here's some stuff about the Soviets.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=moonfaker+cold+war&aq=f

http://www.nardwuar.com/vs/bill_kaysing/index.html
(excerpt)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
(excerpt)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Everyone should read Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.
http://libcom.org/history/articles/cold-war-1940-1989?quicktabs_1=0
(excerpt)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The fact that there are lots of photographs doesn't prove that the photographs weren't taken in a studio.

I alread posted some info on the rocks.

The faact that we don't read that no one on the inside disputed it doesn't mean anything.

http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/27709
(excerpts)
---------------------------------------------
Q: Why do prominent astronomers like Sir Bernard Lovell and Patrick Moore support the Moon landings if they were faked?

A: Scientists and astronomers around the globe know full well that the Moon missions were faked, but rely on NASA to gain access to the vital data beamed back to Earth from the Hubble space telescope. They cannot slag off NASA otherwise NASA would deprive them of this essential information, which they so much require.
---------------------------------------------
Q: What about the vast number of people involved in Apollo, wouldn’t someone have spoken out.

A: Pan’s claim there were half a million people involved in the Apollo program, but that includes all the humble engineers working on machine parts in many companies around the globe. So if someone is making a part in some engineering factory in Seattle, and his boss tells him it’s for the Apollo spacecraft, is that engineer proof the landings took place? No of course it is not proof, and even if that engineer knew they never made it to the Moon, he would still brag to his friends that he made a part that went to the Moon just to make him feel proud in some way or other. Parts for the Apollo program were made at many different factories around the globe. For example the laser reflector supposedly left on the Moon was manufactured in France. NASA collected the unit from the French company, and that was the last they saw of it. It’s probably stashed away in some archive at Langley, but one things for certain it’s not on the Moon. Are those French engineers proof they landed on the Moon? No of course not, as very few, (probably less than 200 people), were actually involved in bringing the whole lot together, so as to minimize what was actually taking place. No need for any of them to speak out because (A) They are 100% patriotic to the USA, and would say nothing that would go against America, even if it were true. (B) They do not need millions of dollars to safeguard their future, as they have already received substantial amounts from NASA just to “keep mum”. Read comments from people who worked on the Apollo program in the APOLLO FEEDBACK section.
---------------------------------------------

It could have been faked more than once. They could have used the same studio more than once. Anyway, nothing on that page makes the clear proof of a hoax go away.

O.k. I may be misunderstanding something. It seems to me that you are claiming that the Soviets had this mega secret illuminati pack with the U.S. to not rat about the moon landings being fake? That just sounds absurd. I know my cold war drama pretty well because I was a history major and I doubt the Soviets would have this illuminati pack just to get some grain.

[Leo656]

How many Dead Baby jokes will it take to get you to bail? Is it six? I have more than six. Most people bail after about two, but you seem to be of sterner stuff than most.

[Drifty]

O.k. I may be misunderstanding something. It seems to me that you are claiming that the Soviets had this mega secret illuminati pack with the U.S. to not rat about the moon landings being fake? That just sounds absurd. I know my cold war drama pretty well because I was a history major and I doubt the Soviets would have this illuminati pack just to get some grain.

You've been schooled in mainstream American information. Mainstream American info gives an upside-down picture of what's really happening. Start getting your info from alternative sources such as these.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://www.ihr.org/

You should read Noam Chomsky's analyses of the American media...
http://www.chomsky.info/
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f

...and those of other anti-establishment pundits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0

Mainstream American historians are propogandists. Start reading the works of revisionist historians such as Mark Weber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qx6sIReMcA

Get informed on what the US really does in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qx6sIReMcA

[slashpieturtlemix]

You've been schooled in mainstream American information. Mainstream American info gives an upside-down picture of what's really happening. Start getting your info from alternative sources such as these.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/
http://www.ihr.org/

You should read Noam Chomsky's analyses of the American media...
http://www.chomsky.info/
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=chomsky+media&aq=f

...and those of other anti-establishment pundits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=Wi5h3vZl6uo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbnxsPgcsH0

Mainstream American historians are propogandists. Start reading the works of revisionist historians such as Mark Weber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qx6sIReMcA

Get informed on what the US really does in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qx6sIReMcA

O.k. I am going to let that slide because you are an English teacher and are not that educated on these topics. I said I was a history major. I am not an "American" history major. I studied world history. I research Roman culture for fun dude. You can't pull the conspiracy theory concept on someone who reads history for enjoyment. If I was in high school or something, then I can understand the idea that the books may be biased. That is not the case. The case is that your theory is flawed with a world power not speaking out. If the grain is what bought the Russian's commitment, then what stopped them from spilling the beans after the grain was shipped or after the Union dissolved? Oh and please have a good excuse because I research things and I will look into your reasoning.

[Drifty]

I am not an "American" history major. I studied world history.
The point is that you seem to have studied world history in America. What we read and are taught in the US may be quite different from what's happening behind the scenes. If you study history in the US, you study propaganda. You have to be sure that what you're studying reflects reality. Check out Noam Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.

http://libcom.org/history/articles/cold-war-1940-1989?quicktabs_1=0
(excerpt)
-------------------------------------------------
On the Soviet side, the events of the Cold War were repeated interventions in Eastern Europe: tanks in East Berlin (1953) and Budapest (1956) and Prague (1968). These interventions took place along the route that was used to attack and virtually destroy Russia three times in this century alone. The invasion of Afghanistan is the one example of an intervention outside that route, though also on the Soviet border.

On the US side, intervention was worldwide, reflecting the status attained by the US as the first truly global power in history.

On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.

The Cold War provided that too. No matter how outlandish the idea that the Soviet Union and its tentacles were strangling the West, the "Evil Empire" was in fact evil, was an empire and was brutal. Each superpower controlled its primary enemy - its own population - by terrifying it with the (quite real) crimes of the other.

In crucial respects, then, the Cold War was a kind of tacit arrangement between the Soviet Union and the United States under which the US conducted its wars against the Third World and controlled its allies in Europe, while the Soviet rulers kept an iron grip on their own internal empire and their satellites in Eastern Europe - each side using the other to justify repression and violence in its own domains. The Cold War even had a cultural component, with rival interventions in the art world.
------------------------------------------------------

Don't take anything that's mainstream seriously. Read revisionist history and the essays of anti-establishment pundits.
http://www.chomsky.info/
http://petras.lahaine.org/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Parenti/Michael_Parenti.html
http://well-temperedforum.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9130004433/m/1101037356/p/1

Here's a good book.
http://www.amazon.es/Lies-My-Teacher-Told-Everything/dp/0743296281

It's on-line. Copy and paste this link. I don't know why it didn't come out a hotlink.
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HOLA/Mis%20documentos/Downloads/Lies%20My%20Teacher%20Told%20Me.pdf


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Ralph Nader is an important anti-establishment pundit.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ralph+nader

The TV channels refuse to sell him air time because they don't want the people to hear his words.

[Katie]

Merry Christmas and may all the tinfoil Santa Hats fit y'all well.

Few thoughts: You Tube and conspiracy theory sites are not good references nor do they help you present a credible argument.

Linking Jarrah's videos instantly make you lose credibility with most here.

50 years later there is no reason for anyone to continue a cover up. We know a lot of the behind the scenes stuff from that time period and the Cold War and space race in general. If the moon landing was fake, if would be mainstream knowledge by now, not just fringe theory.

Try looking for an observatory with time on the LRO. See it with your own eyes.

Occam's Razor.

[Mayhem]

The point is that you seem to have studied world history in America. What we read and are taught in the US may be quite different from what's happening behind the scenes. If you study history in the US, you study propaganda.
Yes, because studying history in any other country is not also subject to propaganda or bias whatsoever :roll:

(you only have to see what is taught in Japan about WW2 for example)

[slashpieturtlemix]

The point is that you seem to have studied world history in America. What we read and are taught in the US may be quite different from what's happening behind the scenes. If you study history in the US, you study propaganda. You have to be sure that what you're studying reflects reality. Check out Noam Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.

http://libcom.org/history/articles/cold-war-1940-1989?quicktabs_1=0
(excerpt)
-------------------------------------------------
On the Soviet side, the events of the Cold War were repeated interventions in Eastern Europe: tanks in East Berlin (1953) and Budapest (1956) and Prague (1968). These interventions took place along the route that was used to attack and virtually destroy Russia three times in this century alone. The invasion of Afghanistan is the one example of an intervention outside that route, though also on the Soviet border.

On the US side, intervention was worldwide, reflecting the status attained by the US as the first truly global power in history.

On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.

The Cold War provided that too. No matter how outlandish the idea that the Soviet Union and its tentacles were strangling the West, the "Evil Empire" was in fact evil, was an empire and was brutal. Each superpower controlled its primary enemy - its own population - by terrifying it with the (quite real) crimes of the other.

In crucial respects, then, the Cold War was a kind of tacit arrangement between the Soviet Union and the United States under which the US conducted its wars against the Third World and controlled its allies in Europe, while the Soviet rulers kept an iron grip on their own internal empire and their satellites in Eastern Europe - each side using the other to justify repression and violence in its own domains. The Cold War even had a cultural component, with rival interventions in the art world.
------------------------------------------------------

Don't take anything that's mainstream seriously. Read revisionist history and the essays of anti-establishment pundits.
http://www.chomsky.info/
http://petras.lahaine.org/
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Parenti/Michael_Parenti.html
http://well-temperedforum.groupee.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9130004433/m/1101037356/p/1

Here's a good book.
http://www.amazon.es/Lies-My-Teacher-Told-Everything/dp/0743296281

It's on-line. Copy and paste this link. I don't know why it didn't come out a hotlink.
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HOLA/Mis%20documentos/Downloads/Lies%20My%20Teacher%20Told%20Me.pdf

For someone who is claiming that American history is biased and full of propaganda, you are doing the exact same thing for your cult version of history. You are letting this illuminati ideology cloud your mind to basic historical facts. When you can provide some actual proof of these events instead of cryptic videos and links to web sites made by college students, then I will take you serious. We all know that history can be biased based off of each country but common sense would tell you that there is history that the world agrees upon. We all agree that the Egyptians built the pyramids, the Chinese built the great wall, that America went through a revolution in the 1770s and that WW2 decimated Europe. The historical community also agrees that the United States landed on the moon. If you can give some actual proof, then please submit it to Wikipedia so that the world can know this magical truth. And don't claim that Wikipedia is a faked website. We can only handle so much stupidity in one day.

[Drifty]

This calls for an objectivity test.

The Chinese spacewalk was obviously faked. The official NASA position is that it was real.

Here's a partial summary of the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked. Tell us whether you agree with the NASA position that it was real, or think it was faked. This is for all of you pro-Apollo posters.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW__oOciq2c
http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/

In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM

Watch it at these time marks.
0:50
2:10
3:00
3:10
6:08
6:44
6:53

It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water.

Watch the first video on the list at the 3:45 time mark to see the astronaut holding the buoyant safety cable down so that its buoyancy won't be so obvious.

At the thirty second mark in this clip the astronaut moves the flag from right to left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM

The flag flutters the way it would in a medium such as water.

The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
(1:55 time mark)

[slashpieturtlemix]

This calls for an objectivity test.

The Chinese spacewalk was obviously faked. The official NASA position is that it was real.

Here's a partial summary of the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked. Tell us whether you agree with the NASA position that it was real, or think it was faked. This is for all of you pro-Apollo posters.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW__oOciq2c
http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/

In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM

Watch it at these time marks.
0:50
2:10
3:00
3:10
6:08
6:44
6:53

It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water.

Watch the first video on the list at the 3:45 time mark to see the astronaut holding the buoyant safety cable down so that its buoyancy won't be so obvious.

At the thirty second mark in this clip the astronaut moves the flag from right to left.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM

The flag flutters the way it would in a medium such as water.

The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g
(1:55 time mark)

Now I am looking at these videos of the faking and I want to see the actual video. I don't want to see some magical video explaining to me what is faked.

The smart thing would be to get someone who is trained in physics and who is trained to study space and its effects on objects. Want to know why? Because they would be able to give an opinion that would not be considered biased or idiotic. I am not trained in such matters so I can care less. Now I am trained in history so we can go all day with your radical opinions if you want.

[slashpieturtlemix]

O.k. let's go about this like this. You are posting conspiracy theories and youtube videos to prove something was faked. I will post some references too. Here is a list of references from Wikipedia proving it was real. Bear in mind that there is a ton of these websites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing
http://www.spaceline.org/flightchron/apollo11.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0714_040714_moonlanding.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1959-014A
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/apollo11_40th.html
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1962-012A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1959-014A
http://www.aai.ee/~vladislav/program_yft0060.html
https://archive.org/stream/galaxymagazine-1957-07/Galaxy_1957_07#page/n61/mode/2up
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19780007206.pdf
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1962-012A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1964-007A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1962-055A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1964-041A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1965-010A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1965-023A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1961-021A
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraftDisplay.do?id=1961-032A
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/lunae6.htm
http://science.nationalgeographic.com/science/space/space-exploration/moon-exploration-article.html


These sites are only half of Wikipedia's list of references. Now notice that it doesn't seem to be cult sites. We got sites from the white house, nasa, national geographic, archiving websites, science websites, etc. I posted the rest of the references below.

Now some of them seem odd but you could always just Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing .

There seems to be tons of things made up on here from what you are saying. I see made up science, made up landing sites, made up space ships, made up interviews, etc. It is so made up that my intelligence is going to explode! This faking is so well documented that we should get the international community to honor this deed with a world wonders claim. This faking is obviously more creative than the gardens of Babylon, colossus of Rhodes, or the mausoleum of Halicarnassus could ever be.

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[Drifty]

Now I am looking at these videos of the faking and I want to see the actual video. I don't want to see some magical video explaining to me what is faked.
This is the typical reaction of the government-employed disinfo agent.
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/
http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/articles/twenty_five_ways.html

You can't say it was faked because you can't go against the official US government version of things. You can't say it was real because you'll lose all of your credibility because a twelve-year-old could see it was faked.


O.k. let's go about this like this. You are posting conspiracy theories and youtube videos to prove something was faked. I will post some references too. Here is a list of references from Wikipedia proving it was real. Bear in mind that there is a ton of these websites.

Choose the link that goes to what you think is the clearest proof that the moon missions were real and we can talk about whether it is really proof.


I present the flag movement as proof that the missions were faked.
----------------------------------------------------------------

At the 2:36 time mark of this video...


"Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

Apollo 15 flag waving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y

(two links to the same video in case one goes off-line)


...the flag starts to move when the astronaut trots by it.

This video shows that it started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

Air made it move. They were in a studio.


This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with atmosphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

So does this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
(18:50 time mark)


Here's some other stuff about the flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzk6H4voUGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jYLRglPxYo
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker%3A+The+Flags+Are+Al ive
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker%3A+Flagging+The+Dea d+Horses

----------------------------------------------------------

You pro-Apollo posters still haven't shown this to be wrong.

More info here.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

[Katie]

Kinetic energy....physics......find me a really real physicist who will back you up.

That flag was touched and jumbled around and displays waning kinetic energy as can be expected. Each time someone jostles it, it will move, and move longer than you expect because their is no atmospheric friction to slow its movement.

Those suits are massive and bulky. Just cause you think they are too far away from it to have jostled it doesn't make it true.

There is no reason to believe any of this hoax malarkey.

[slashpieturtlemix]

This is the typical reaction of the government-employed disinfo agent.
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/
http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/articles/twenty_five_ways.html

You can't say it was faked because you can't go against the official US government version of things. You can't say it was real because you'll lose all of your credibility because a twelve-year-old could see it was faked.



Choose the link that goes to what you think is the clearest proof that the moon missions were real and we can talk about whether it is really proof.


I present the flag movement as proof that the missions were faked.
----------------------------------------------------------------

At the 2:36 time mark of this video...


"Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU

Apollo 15 flag waving
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y

(two links to the same video in case one goes off-line)


...the flag starts to move when the astronaut trots by it.

This video shows that it started moving before he got close enough to touch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

Air made it move. They were in a studio.


This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with atmosphere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(00:50 and 1:50 time marks)

So does this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA
(18:50 time mark)


Here's some other stuff about the flag.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzk6H4voUGo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jYLRglPxYo
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker%3A+The+Flags+Are+Al ive
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=MoonFaker%3A+Flagging+The+Dea d+Horses

----------------------------------------------------------

You pro-Apollo posters still haven't shown this to be wrong.

More info here.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

I really really really want to know where you went for your history lessons. Do you have a degree in this topic? I am claiming it is not fake because you are not providing enough information to convince me that it is not true. Your conspiracy theory ideology is not enough to convince people who are smarter than your average 12 year old. I agree with Katie completely. She understands basic science. You seem to have a misunderstanding of it.

Incase you seem to be confused on this concept, here is a Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy

Here is another link in case you do not understand the law of action and reaction: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/momentum/Lesson-2/The-Law-of-Action-Reaction-(Revisited)

[Drifty]

That flag was touched and jumbled around and displays waning kinetic energy as can be expected. Each time someone jostles it, it will move, and move longer than you expect because their is no atmospheric friction to slow its movement.

Those suits are massive and bulky. Just cause you think they are too far away from it to have jostled it doesn't make it true.

This video shows that it started moving before the astronaut got close enough to touch it.

Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg


So does this one.

The flag that moved
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0

[Powder]

Surely there's medication for your kind in Madrid, no?

[Drifty]

Here's another anomaly I'd like to see you people address.
------------------------------------------------------

Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip when they were supposed to be halfway to the moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:52 time mark)

The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.


Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.


The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)


It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

That ain't micro-gravity that they would encounter halfway to the moon. One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.

[slashpieturtlemix]

Here's another anomaly I'd like to see you people address.
------------------------------------------------------

Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip when they were supposed to be halfway to the moon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:52 time mark)

The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.


Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4

That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.


The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)


It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4

That ain't micro-gravity that they would encounter halfway to the moon. One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.

O.k. well before I even open the videos I need to clarify something. Where do you get your understanding of space? Have you personally experienced space to the point that you can actually disprove a video? I bring this up because you are arguing like you have been to space and you can claim beyond all doubt that all of these videos are faked.

[slashpieturtlemix]

Now here is a video of someone that is actually in space. As you can see, it can't be disproven with this common water theory because he uses water in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z2KNDGNnlc

Can you disprove the recent videos too?

[Drifty]

Where do you get your understanding of space?
All you have to do is compare the movements.


These two movements are the same so they are obviously both in strong gravity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc
(00:52 time mark)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4


That same gravitational force is obviously not working on the straps in this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o
(3:17 time mark)

...or the jacket corners in this video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4


Any child can see this. The Apollo astronauts were not in space when that footage was taken.

[BubblyShell22]

Why the hell are we even humoring this guy? He's obviously delusional enough to believe this sh*t and nothing any of us say is going to convince him otherwise.

[pennydreadful]

I really don't understand the point of coming to a Ninja Turtles forum and posting only on this subject and nothing else, unless you're just trying to take the piss. Go to the forums at abovetopsecret.com, lunaticoutpost.com, godlikeproductions.com - there are dozens of messageboards dedicated to discussion of this subject.

[ZariusTwo]

Everyone bow your heads...and pretend to be serious:)

[BuzzHeavy]

So anyway, this guy spams forum after forum with the same crap and ignores where he gets his butt handed to him.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

Collins Jacket, Apollo flag, Chinese Spacewalk. Rinse and repeat. He actually keeps a record of his stupid exploits on a forum where everybody basically ignores or insults him -

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201736&page=30&p=7729552&viewfull=1#post7729552

Got to laugh at this guy - he has to be a bit mad.

[BubblyShell22]

Everyone bow your heads...and pretend to be serious:)

Good one, Zar. Good one.

[Drifty]

So anyway, this guy spams forum after forum with the same crap and ignores where he gets his butt handed to him.

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/
Anyone who actually reads what that guy says will see that it's just a lame attempt at damage-control. That guy knows the Apollo moon missions were faked as well as the truthers do. He's a government disinfo agent.
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/
http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/articles/twenty_five_ways.html

I had a debate with that guy on this forum. I'm Scott. He's Betamax101.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/211182-man-has-landed-moon-july-20-1969-sir-questions-sir-12.html#post4767755

I had a debate with him in this thread too.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/362999-air-caused-flag-move-so-obviously-studio.html

He says lame things with an authoritative patronizing attitude.


Those pro-Apollo posters are like the Black Knight in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

They do the victory dance the whole time they're losing.


If you people aren't disinfo agents and really believe your arguments, you'll follow up on what I said in post #153.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1398191&postcount=153

[Amaranthus]

Are there really no moderators to take care of this, lol?
Conspiracy theorists are idiots. Why would anyone try to reason with them?

[ZariusTwo]

If you people aren't disinfo agents


OxKYfTvZFb8

[BubblyShell22]

Damn, Zar, you're on a roll again!

[BuzzHeavy]

Anyone who actually reads what that guy says will see that it's just a lame attempt at damage-control.

I read it as do many people. He handed you your butt. The most frightening thing is you doing this same identical crap on hundreds of forums.

That guy knows the Apollo moon missions were faked as well as the truthers do.

Bullcrap. You know it happened, you just have some sort of brainfart going on in your head.

He's a government disinfo agent.

Prove it!

I had a debate with that guy on this forum. I'm Scott. He's Betamax101.

You actually created three identical threads with the same crap as here. No idea how they let you get away with that! Betamax101 tore you a total new one. The video series he did on Collins' jacket tears your claim apart totally. Anyone who can't see that is just plain dumb. Oh wait!

If you people aren't disinfo agents and really believe your arguments, you'll follow up on what I said in post #153.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1398191&postcount=153

Ha ha, disinfo agents. What is going on in your head pal?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA042F23232F0B1AF

Owned.

[pennydreadful]

Anyone who actually reads what that guy says will see that it's just a lame attempt at damage-control. That guy knows the Apollo moon missions were faked as well as the truthers do. He's a government disinfo agent.
http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/09/26/disinformation-campaign-exposure-confessions-of-a-paid-disinformation-poster/
http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/articles/twenty_five_ways.html

I had a debate with that guy on this forum. I'm Scott. He's Betamax101.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/211182-man-has-landed-moon-july-20-1969-sir-questions-sir-12.html#post4767755

I had a debate with him in this thread too.
http://www.politicalforum.com/moon-landing/362999-air-caused-flag-move-so-obviously-studio.html

He says lame things with an authoritative patronizing attitude.


Those pro-Apollo posters are like the Black Knight in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhEw7nD9C4

They do the victory dance the whole time they're losing.


If you people aren't disinfo agents and really believe your arguments, you'll follow up on what I said in post #153.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1398191&postcount=153

So you admit that you go from forum to forum spamming the same stuff over and over? You're the internet equivalent of the smelly weirdo standing on the street-corner shoving poorly-xeroxed copies of his homemade newsletter into everyone's faces, whether they want it or not.

It's bloody rude to join a forum for the express purpose of using it as a platform to repost about this topic, when you have no intention of participating in the community or its discussions.

[BubblyShell22]

I agree with Penny here. If you're not going to actually contribute to the rest of the forum, then you need to leave.

[Netkeeper]

How many times do I need to tell you people.

It's a bot.

[slashpieturtlemix]

He is an idiotic bot lol I am going to message a mod and hopefully we can get his idiotic thread locked. Feels like we are arguing with a rock.

[BuzzHeavy]

It's a bot.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Apollo%22+%22Black+Knight+in+this+vide o.%22&num=100&newwindow=1&filter=0&biw=1360&bih=621

Just one of his numerous cut and paste responses. Frightening isn't it.

[Netkeeper]

Precisely. I'd googled this earlier.

[slashpieturtlemix]

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Apollo%22+%22Black+Knight+in+this+vide o.%22&num=100&newwindow=1&filter=0&biw=1360&bih=621

Just one of his numerous cut and paste responses. Frightening isn't it.

Wow Drift needs to get a life and change his wording at least!

[slashpieturtlemix]

I messaged a bunch of admins to get this nonsense locked before we stoop down to this level of ignorance.

[BuzzHeavy]

I messaged a bunch of admins to get this nonsense locked before we stoop down to this level of ignorance.

If that happens, I guarantee he will post some crap on that spursforum thread about being censored:lol:

[slashpieturtlemix]

If that happens, I guarantee he will post some crap on that spursforum thread about being censored:lol:

The illuminati Apollo hiding government folks are censoring him again! Oh noes!

[Leo656]

No family or otherwise anything better to do on F'n Christmas? Sad. So, so sad.

[Sumac]

Illuminati - a secret society do exist. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kJZ80-bC6I)
;)

[Drifty]

I read it as do many people. He handed you your butt.

Everybody take a look at the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked.
(post #145)
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1398141&postcount=145

That guy tried to obfuscate the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked.
http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com.es/2011/07/chinese-spacewalks-part-2.html

This shows him to be a sophist who doesn't even believe his own arguments; the anomalies in the Chinese spacewalk are too clear to obfuscate.

You people never did respond satisfactorily to my request that you say whether you agreed with NASA and thought the Chinese spacewalk was real, or whether you thought it was faked. Please respond and take a stand. Don't sidestep the issue the way this person did.
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showpost.php?p=1398144&postcount=146

[BuzzHeavy]

Everybody take a look at the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked.

Nobody is interested in your brainless rubbish. You claim some cables prove it was in water, whilst vacuously ignoring a flag being twirled around without even the slightest billowing or resistance. Doesn't somewhere in that head of yours shout derrrrrrr, well that's impossible in water?


That guy tried to obfuscate the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked.
http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.com.es/2011/07/chinese-spacewalks-part-2.html

Get a clue. He kicked your butt.

This shows him to be a sophist who doesn't even believe his own arguments; the anomalies in the Chinese spacewalk are too clear to obfuscate.

Nope. It shows you are blinkered weirdo who couldn't see proof if it smacked you in the forehead.

You people never did respond satisfactorily to my request that you say whether you agreed with NASA and thought the Chinese spacewalk was real, or whether you thought it was faked. Please respond and take a stand. Don't sidestep the issue the way this person did.

Just so everybody knows, this is his "credibility test". If you think China successfully performed a spacewalk, you are automatically a disinfo agent or a sophist. The irony? The source of his claim is a man who fervently disbelieves in the 911 conspiracy or the Apollo so called hoax.

His explanation for this massive kick in the nuts for his credibility test? The guy was got at. On that note , I must stop typing, my brain always starts to hurt at the mental gymnastics this pillock gets up to to make his spamming work.

[snake]

Why is this thread going again?