James Holmes Trial In 2015

[Leo656]

This makes me sick.

http://news.yahoo.com/james-holmes-parents-theater-gunman-mentally-ill-and-shouldnt-be-executed-164809805.html

"WAAAAAAH! Don't kill my son! He's not a Monster! We love him!" :roll: How many other f*cking parents only WISH they had a chance to beg for mercy before your piece of sh*t son blew their kids away, you assholes?!

For anyone who doesn't know, this guy was enrolled as a PhD in Neuroscience, and before that was in several honors programs and in the top 1% of his class. NOW, he and his family and their lawyers want people to believe he's insane, wasn't in control of his actions when he shot 70 f*cking people, and just "needs help". Nobody who is "insane" could ever have pulled off being "normal" for so long and made it so far, that's completely impossible. His "insanity" is a calculated ruse by a proven genius, looking to escape punishment. Nothing more.

They say he doesn't deserve to be executed, despite the fact that he "executed" a dozen people all by himself, with no remorse. They want "compassion". What about compassion for the victims?! Do they realize that, if he gets life in prison, it is the surviving victims who will be paying for it out of their pockets for the rest of his life? How is that Justice?!

They say "He's Not Evil." BULLSH*T. Bull. SH*T. How an entirely planned-out and predetermined act such as his could ever be called anything BUT "evil" makes no sense, and it makes me sick to my stomach. If I lived in Colorado, I would outright refuse to let MY tax dollars go to feeding and sheltering this worthless piece of sh*t for another 60+ years. Let him burn. And if his parents are so hell-bent on being with him, then give them the lethal injection, too. Clearly they didn't raise him right. You really f*cking failed as a parent when your kid grows up into something like this.

His life in exchange for the ones he stole. More than fair. MORE than fair.

[pennydreadful]

Humanity sucks. Sh*t like this is why I spend my life as a shut-in lost in a fantasy world.

[AT-Man]

I'm pro capital punishment.

[Leo656]

Even if some people aren't, I get that, but... this guy, man... this is just too much. TOO much.

[snake]

It's about damn time. I say we get rid of him.

[TheCanadiandrome]

in some cases and certain circumstances yes i'm pro capital punishment

[MikeandRaph87]

I was at the theater watching the same film at the same time this tragedy struck. The average age of the deceased was my then age. This incident effects me in that sense and I want to see the sick turd die for what he die. There is no way he should be allowed to escape his punishment an not sending him out of this world is a punishment to the 58 survivors who were shot and the loved ones of the 12 deceased.

[Leo656]

Yeah. :ohwell: I remember having an awesome night at the premiere and coming home in an awesome mood, and five minutes later, BOOM. Everybody at the theater I was at was having a rip-roaring good time, and it was really everything a movie theater experience should be in every way. To even think of other people going from something just like that to suddenly dodging bullets (or not dodging them) without any warning at all... F*ck, man. And for no reason.

F*cking scumbag. Forget the needle, he should have to take a bullet for every person he shot. THAT's justice. Give me the gun, I'll do it. I'll do it right now, f*ck it. I wouldn't think twice about speeding up his trip to Hell. Deserves nothing less.

I've heard a ton of stories about how some people get beaten by guards and otherwise abused in prison. I sincerely hope it's all true in his case.

[Davetello]

Yes, if he is really insane, he wouldn't have been able to act normally (you imply that's what he was doing). It was clearly a mask of sanity and would imply that he's a sociopath. The genius level intellect is also common to some sociopaths.

[Leo656]

Sheeeet, I'm a frickin' borderline sociopath. I still have enough decency and common sense NOT to actually shoot up a movie theater and kill a bunch of people who just wanted to watch a Batman movie. Being a sociopath and being "insane", specifically, "So Insane As To Not Be Able To Be Held Accountable For Their Actions", are not the same thing.

He was never crazy. Guy went to college, started doing blow and X and probably some other sh*t, some skank didn't wanna go out with him, he started feeling "isolated", "alienated", and "misunderstood", got "depressed", and took it out on a bunch of innocent people. Now he's acting "crazy" because he doesn't want to face the punishment he's earned. I bet you all the money in the world, THAT is what REALLY happened.

[Davetello]

Probably.

You're not anywhere near being a sociopath, by the way. You show too much emotion about your life. If you were a genuine sociopath you wouldn't give a hoot about your birth certificate, arguments with the wife, and so forth.

[Leo656]

Maybe. Could be I just have a severe lack of empathy sometimes. Sometimes I genuinely don't care about anyone but myself.

Still wouldn't do sh*t like this, though. I'unno what the hell goes through these people's minds. Well, other than, "I'll Be Famous!" To some degree the media creates these people, now.

[Davetello]

Exactly, sometimes. Sociopaths are all the time. If you ever turn up a relative's funeral and feel absolutely no grief whatsoever, I might start believing you're a sociopath.

The media certainly contributes to these spree and mass killers, but I don't like laying the blame at their door as that removes accountability from the perpetrator.

[Redeemer]

Nobody who is "insane" could ever have pulled off being "normal" for so long and made it so far, that's completely impossible. His "insanity" is a calculated ruse by a proven genius, looking to escape punishment. Nothing more.


He could definitely be insane, its tough to say though as I am not a professional and have not met him in person. But he he began failing school and then eventually dropped out. He met with three mental health professionals prior to the event so he does have history.
From what I read they thought he might have dysphoria disorder which is a type of bi-poler.
What I don't understand is why he targeted innocent people instead of inflicting harm on himeself???:ohwell:
He may be mentally ill to a certain capacity, but he needs to be held accountable for his action even if that includes facing the death penalty.

[Leo656]

All that stuff that happened to him is common with A LOT of these people. So is 1. "Experimenting" with narcotics when they're in college (you can tell by his eyes, the guy's done a LOT of drugs), 2. Getting dumped or rejected by a girl way out of their league, 3. Not being able to handle the fact that not everyone they meet as an adult treats them like the genius they were told that they were since birth.

Then, they snap and kill a bunch of people, to "make the world pay." THAT is why he didn't "harm himself" instead. Look up the stories of just about every shooter in the last 10 years. All the same, virtually no exceptions. They're not "insane". Bipolar, depressed, maybe. But you can't be "insane", to the point where you don't know/can't be held responsible for what it is that you do, and be enrolled in a PhD program! You have to have your sh*t entirely together to make it anywhere CLOSE to that level.

His grades slipped because he was coked out and his "girlfriend" and "friends" rejected him. Not because he was losing his mind. Bet you anything. I can buy that the guy was drugged-out, that much is obvious just by looking at his eyes, but not "insane". He's playing "insane" because he doesn't want to die. He thinks he deserves better than the people who just wanted to watch a movie. He doesn't.

[Davetello]

On other news, have you guys seen photos of executed prisoners last meals? Some of them look scrumptious.

[Leo656]

I'd demand a 12-egg omelette made entirely of eggs from an endangered California Condor and milk from a pregnant White Bengal Tiger. It would take them forever, and they have to grant you that request, so they'd never be able to execute me.

Never take any sh*t from anyone, I say.

[Davetello]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Seen Gacy's last meal request? Greedy cvnt.

[Leo656]

Nah, I haven't, but I'm curious.

Sometimes people sh*t themselves when they die. A dozen Gorditas, washed down with two pots of coffee and 6 of those giant Red Bulls. If you're gonna go, take a few people with ya. :lol:

[Davetello]

They already took some people, hence they're on Death Row in the first place, the evil scumbags.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article754651.ece/alternates/s615/The%20last%20supper%20requested%20by%20John%20Wayn e%20Gacy%20hours%20before%20being%20executed%20on% 20death%20row

[Leo656]

Sheeeeet, if that was MY last meal, there'd be twice as much. You're dying, f*ck your cholesterol. :lol: Some good choices, though. But I'd need to have wontons one last time.

[Davetello]

I don't think I could physically eat that, even when I was a big eater. But Gacy was plump at the best of times.

[Leo656]

I have been accused of having an "empty leg". :lol: My wife teases me constantly about my borderline gluttonous ability to inhale food and yet not gain any weight. It's bad. I'm a big fan of food.

I mean it's good I don't gain weight. It's just bad that I eat like John Goodman does at Thanksgiving. Can't be healthy.

"I told you, you can have what's left!"
"There won't BE any left! There's NEVER any left!" :lol:

[Davetello]

HAHAHA.

How do you afford it? You see all these 70 stone people who eat more in a night than we eat in a week and you wonder how they manage. Surely the benefits don't stretch that far.

[Redeemer]

All that stuff that happened to him is common with A LOT of these people. So is 1. "Experimenting" with narcotics when they're in college (you can tell by his eyes, the guy's done a LOT of drugs), 2. Getting dumped or rejected by a girl way out of their league, 3. Not being able to handle the fact that not everyone they meet as an adult treats them like the genius they were told that they were since birth.

Then, they snap and kill a bunch of people, to "make the world pay." THAT is why he didn't "harm himself" instead. Look up the stories of just about every shooter in the last 10 years. All the same, virtually no exceptions. They're not "insane". Bipolar, depressed, maybe. But you can't be "insane", to the point where you don't know/can't be held responsible for what it is that you do, and be enrolled in a PhD program! You have to have your sh*t entirely together to make it anywhere CLOSE to that level.

His grades slipped because he was coked out and his "girlfriend" and "friends" rejected him. Not because he was losing his mind. Bet you anything. I can buy that the guy was drugged-out, that much is obvious just by looking at his eyes, but not "insane". He's playing "insane" because he doesn't want to die. He thinks he deserves better than the people who just wanted to watch a movie. He doesn't.

Bipolar disorder has two states a depressive and manic state. In a manic state a person can become temporarily insane if the state is severe enough. People have been known to hear voices,become paranoid, hallucinate ect.... while in a manic state so yeah a person with bipolar can become temporarily insane.

[Leo656]

HAHAHA.

How do you afford it? You see all these 70 stone people who eat more in a night than we eat in a week and you wonder how they manage. Surely the benefits don't stretch that far.


I shop smart and don't need a lot of variety. All my gyms are right near supermarkets, one of them by a really great budget place called Bottom Dollar where things are like 25% cheaper than everywhere else.

I do the opposite of what most people do, I don't "save" by buying in bulk; you throw a lot of spoiled food out that way when it sits on the shelf for too long and you end up wasting money. I eat breakfast, go to work, stop at the store on the way home, buy what I need for the rest of my meals that day and sometimes the day after, and that's it. I've had weeks where my food budget was less than 50 bucks, including my wife's food (she eats far less than I do). You'd be amazed what you can save when you only buy two days worth of food at a time, plus nothing ever goes to waste.

There's also only about 5 different meals that I/we make and they're all cheap and easy. And we only go out as a treat. There's ways. You can stretch a buck if you're smart about it. :)

Redeemer: I hear you, but I ain't buying it. Clearly he's a little cracked or he wouldn't have done it, but there was nothing to "push" him to become "temporarily insane" in the moment. He had explosives rigged up in his apartment. The entire thing was premeditated well in advance, meticulously planned out and executed. What you're describing in no way fits the situation. He's Just An Asshole.

[BubblyShell22]

Yep, this guy needs to go for what he did. It's despicable, but this happens all the time where people will plead insanity or something else. Look at Jodi Arias who stabbed her boyfriend, slit his throat, and shot him in the head. She claims she was a victim of domestic violence but there's no evidence to the contrary that he beat her and she's just using it as an excuse as to why she killed him. She's up for the death penalty, and I hope the jury can come to an agreement that she needs to die for what she did because that was the problem at the last trial. They agreed she was guilty, but they couldn't agree on the punishment.

[AT-Man]

I mean it's good I don't gain weight.

Go step on a lego.

[Leo656]

HAH! :lol: Hit the gym. :P

[snake]

If I could have any wish, it would be to have the ability to eat as much crap as possible and not gain anything. I have to watch my girlish figure.

[TheCanadiandrome]

They already took some people, hence they're on Death Row in the first place, the evil scumbags.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article754651.ece/alternates/s615/The%20last%20supper%20requested%20by%20John%20Wayn e%20Gacy%20hours%20before%20being%20executed%20on% 20death%20row

anyone else find it ironic that he once managed KFC? then he asks for it to be part of his last meal?? wow he must've been crazy :lol:

[BubblyShell22]

I think I saw something on Discovery or Nat Geo about death row and how their time is spent before they die and even described the three different ways that people can be sentenced to death. It was pretty interesting.

[TheCanadiandrome]

yeah it's kinda crazy sometimes

[BubblyShell22]

I learned that you can die by lethal injection, electric chair, gas, and even hanging is still around, which I didn't know about. Any of these would be good for this kid.

[TheCanadiandrome]

and may his last words heard be

http://meetville.com/images/quotes/Quotation-Q-god-soul-mercy-Meetville-Quotes-119678.jpg

[BubblyShell22]

I doubt he would care because if he did, he wouldn't have done what he did.

[Leo656]

We spent a section of Criminal Justice class in HS specifically discussing the death penalty. We each had to write a paper on it. The teacher was against it, but ONLY because as it's currently implemented, it fails to act as a necessary deterrent.

People only behave because they're afraid of consequences. Specifically, people only obey the law because they're afraid of being punished. People don't "value life" and NOT kill people because they actually "value life", it's because they either don't want to be executed/rot in jail, or burn in Hell, depending on what a person believes. It's that Fear of Punishment that keeps people being good.

That said, nobody is afraid of getting a shot. Lethal injection doesn't scare anyone, especially when they know it's going to be many years, probably decades, and they have an infinite number of appeals, before they ever have to deal with it, and in the meantime, they're actually going to have an easier life in prison than they will on the outside, unless they killed a little kid or something, in which case the other prisoners will make their lives hell. But otherwise, all their meals and everything are covered, they never have to get a real job or pay rent, and they get to lift weights, play video games, and watch cable TV, as long as they "behave" in there. Yes, they have no "freedom", but they're also free from a lot of the things that make life so miserable for most of us. There's a reason people who have been in for a long time can't adjust, and put themselves back in there. They're NOT being "punished", they've adjusted. They're Happier there. Ask any "lifer" or anyone on Death Row. They don't give a single f*ck. They're usually pretty open about the amount of f*cks they don't give.

That's why, you have to get rid of them, in a way that sends a message to other people: "DON'T DO THIS. YOU DON'T KILL PEOPLE. OR YOU WILL BE PUNISHED FOR REAL." That's why public executions like hangings or firing squad were the standard for the longest time, until we for some reason became soft on justice for scumbags in the last 50 years. My teacher was of the opinion that not only should some of those methods make a comeback, but we should televise them. Let every single person know, with no uncertainty, Your Actions have Consequences. That's the only thing that works.

There's also the stupid lawyers, and the ridiculous amounts of appeals these people get when they're on Death Row, but if people wanted to actually solve problems, there are ways around that. It's just sad how many rights these people get. Like Batman said once, "Sometimes I count them all, just to make myself crazy."

[Davetello]

Yes, two of the biggest myths around capital punishment are that it's a deterrent, and that it's more expensive to imprison for life. I actually had one guy talk to me like I was delusional because I argued it costs more to put someone on death row, despite the fact that all of the research backs my views. Some people just don't educate themselves at all.

I have to sort of disagree on one point, though. I'd certainly be scared of a lethal injection - some of the stories about what goes wrong. Eek.

[Leo656]

We actually covered all of that in my class, too, but the "cost" is all just the pencil-pushing lawyers and appeals nonsense. How it SHOULD work, at least in clear-cut cases like this, is your trial starts less than 6 months after you're arrested, and the second you're announced guilty, they take you away for your last meal, then someone puts a gun to your head and pulls the f*cking trigger. Even the most extravagant last meal isn't going to cost more than 50 bucks, and how much does a bullet cost? Seriously.

There is no VALID reason why it costs more to kill someone than it does to feed, clothe, and house them for 20-50 years. That is mathematically impossible. UNTIL you factor in that it takes about that long just to get them to the execution because of the appeals process. YOU ALREADY HAD A TRIAL! YOU WERE ALREADY FOUND GUILTY ENOUGH TO BE KILLED FOR IT! THAT'S THE F***ING POINT! I get that mistakes happen, thus the appeals process, and there should definitely be circumstances for cases where there is SOME reasonable doubt, but THIS? WHY are we even having a trial for this guy?! HE DID IT! NOBODY DOUBTS THAT! JUST KILL THE GUY ALREADY!

As far as it not being a deterrent, again, that's because we have a really pussified way of executing people. Violent and public. That's the way you do it. Do a bunch of guys at once to save time/money. That's why they used to hang a bunch of guys at once, in the public square, and they made a big production out of it.

Basically, there was a time when The System worked. Then we started giving criminals f***ing rights, as if they were People, and now, the system doesn't work anymore. We need to start treating things as they are. Too many shades of gray being forced in when some things are really black and white. These aren't People, they're Animals. And rabid dogs get put down.

[Davetello]

Of course the cost is because of appeals. OTOH, too many innocent people have been executed over the centuries. That's still a possibility even in this era of DNA and improved forensic science.

[Leo656]

That's why I said there should be some different circumstances when there IS some reasonable doubt. In this case, there's not.

The more time passes and the further we get from the crime, the less horrific it will seem and the more what he did will seem "not as big a deal" to some people. The more easily they'll forget that it was totally premeditated and meticulously executed without remorse. The more easily some will be fooled into believing his bullsh*t "insane" defense. They'll let doubt creep in, and then sympathy, and then you can just go ahead and forget about justice. They'll figure 20 years with good behavior is penance enough, and one day he'll see daylight again.

No. There is absolutely no reasonable doubt in this case and no reason to drag it out one second longer than necessary.

[Jester]

Sad thing is I can gauge this whole time line with my kid. We first heard the news when we were in the hospital for his delivery. Sad it's been almost 2 and a half years and only NOW he's going to trial. Should probably have been tried, convicted, and executed by now....

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah, I think people should die the way they killed their victims. It seems more fitting to met than lethal injection or anything else they come up with. You drown somebody, you should be drowned. You shot somebody, you should be shot too. You killed someone while driving drunk and hit them, you should be run over with a car yourself. That's the way it should be done, but it never will be.

And I watch Beyond Scared Straight on A&E all of the time. It's amazing how these prisoners really don't care about what they did or they regret their actions but it's too late because they have life sentences and can't get out. I love how they reach out to the kids and let them know that this isn't the life they want for themselves and they'd better change.