If the TMNT franchise ever dies...

[Davetello]

Leo656 wrote a post which made for very uncomfortable reading. He said that he thinks the franchise will die in future if Viacom doesn't freshen it up. Essentially meaning they need to make it more mature in theme, or at least create a branch of the franchise which is more adult.

So if the turtles ever cease to exist - no more shows, no more films, no more comics, no more toys etc - how will you cope with it? It would be devastating to many of our lives, I expect.

[CyberCubed]

By now there's enough TMNT material to rewatch or re-read for a lifetime that it doesn't matter if we never get anything new after the Nick era ends:

- Original cartoon (193 episodes)

- 4kids cartoon (157 episodes and Turtles Forever)

- Nick cartoon (probably over 150 something episodes by the time it ends)

- 5 movies with a 6th on the way

- Mirage with every series combined comes out to nearly 300 issues

- Archie TMNT is over 100 issues with all specials

- IDW TMNT will likely hit over 100 issues when it ends


This is more than enough to rewatch or re-read even if the franchise ends after the Viacom era.

[Davetello]

I knew someone would say that. However, the point is that we always want to see new takes on the characters. Clearly we will be watching and reading all that has gone before no matters what happens in future, but it's great to have fresh iterations & interpretations.

[CyberCubed]

I dunno, TMNT isn't like Batman or Spiderman that needs to be constantly rebooted and last 70 years.

I'm sure there will be more incarnations after the Nick era, but I also wouldn't mind if the franchise takes a 10 year break after it ends just to recharge.

[Davetello]

A hiatus is fine. Just not a permanent stop.

[Leo656]

Believe it or not, I feel the same way as Cubed that we'd still be Fine. I already had "accepted" that it was over by 2000. I swore this thing was Dead. (Keep in mind I'd literally only had the internet for, like, 5 minutes. I swore I was the only person who still cared.) I didn't know the 2003 cartoon was coming, so obviously I'm much, much happier it WASN'T dead, but by 2000 it had been years since anything TMNT was relevant and I hadn't talked to anyone about it in anything other than, "Hey, remember that?" for a long, long... LONG time. My wife was the first person I met who was still REALLY into it, not just, "Eh, the movie's alright" and that's all they wanted to do with it anymore. Lucky me. :)

But yeah, we would have long conversations about and watch old VHS tapes of Ninja Turtles, but it was still all "Remember when...?" and "I wonder if they'll ever do anything with it again." We were still, like, 5 minutes from 80s Nostalgia really being a thing, yet, for those of you who were either not around or still in diapers, bound to be a couple of 'em reading this. :lol: The closest thing we had to any 80s property getting a "revival", was when Toys R Us briefly re-released a handful of the old He-Man toys. I don't think anyone predicted that, for the next 15 years, we'd be literally drowning in "Nostalgia".

So that's why I thought it was already dead, and was already accepting of it. That's actually why I wrote my first (and only completed) fic, because there were literally No New TMNT Stories being told and my (then-girlfriend, now-) wife wanted to read a new one, so I wrote one. Now we have even more stuff, though. I would prefer it if TMNT one day becomes an "Ever-green (Pun Kind Of Intended)" property like Superman and Batman. That's my hope.

But, IF that doesn't happen, we've still been pretty spoiled. We've got plenty to keep us busy until the end of time. And, of course, people would always get bored and keep themselves amused with fanfic. :) I'd just prefer TMNT doesn't slide into being a "drag it out and shake it off every 15-20 years for a Nostalgia Pop" kind of thing. TMNT deserves a better fate than "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan does, for cryin' out loud. :lol:

[CyberCubed]

If anything the Nick revival happened too quickly.

The 4kids cartoon ended in 2009, and the Nick show started in 2012 only 3 years later. The IDW comic also started in 2011 only 1 year after Mirage put out their final Tales issue.

[Powder]

This is more than enough to rewatch or re-read even if the franchise ends after the Viacom era.

This. & there will always be fan-comics, fan-fics, etc. to soak up.

[Davetello]

What happened to Dawn of the Ninja? There have only been two chapters. Did the guys lose interest?

[Candy Kappa]

They probably lost interest, or lack of funds.

[Davetello]

I enjoyed the first couple of chapters. Is MNT: Gaiden still going? Been years since I read that. Obscure Zodiac.

[Shark_Blade]

Anything in this world is not permanent, but I feel TMNT still are kicking and are still gonna be around for a long time, what with the recent excellent movie release and Nicktoon. :)

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah, Obscure Zodiac/Tiger Fog is still doing the comic

[Davetello]

Anything in this world is not permanent, but I feel TMNT still are kicking and are still gonna be around for a long time, what with the recent excellent movie release and Nicktoon. :)

True, I think there's plenty life left in the old turtles yet. The topic is hypothetical, though.

Yeah, Obscure Zodiac/Tiger Fog is still doing the comic

That must be abput 8 or 9 years it's going, yes?

[LeoRaph]

I still have faith it won't die and WB will pick it up...one day... BUT if worse comes to worse I'd rather see it sold off to a Japanese Company. It might not ever see a live action movie or tv series that's more serious but at least it will be given the freedom it deserves in an animated sense as Japan would not hesitate in doing a more mature anime and mangas as well as kids versions. Hell, I'd even look forward to the 'reverse dub' with American actors.

[Davetello]

I still have faith it won't die and WB will pick it up...one day... BUT if worse comes to worse I'd rather see it sold off to a Japanese Company. It might not ever see a live action movie or tv series that's more serious but at least it will be given the freedom it deserves in an animated sense as Japan would not hesitate in doing a more mature anime and mangas as well as kids versions. Hell, I'd even look forward to the 'reverse dub' with American actors.

Yes, I was thinking that anime would be a great compromise for the property. You're the second person I've seen suggest it today, so there are plenty of us thinking along those lines. Anime has no constraints.

[LeoRaph]

Anime has no constraints.

Also, the it's for kids stigma doesn't exist in Japan. I remember riding the trains there a few years ago and seeing men and women between 20-60 with mangas and even 3DS's. It's just in the culture there and what a more fitting place for the turtles to end up in then their 'actual story origin' mother land :tcool:

[Davetello]

Also, the it's for kids stigma doesn't exist in Japan. I remember riding the trains there a few years ago and seeing men and women between 20-60 with mangas and even 3DS's. It's just in the culture there and what a more fitting place for the turtles to end up in then their 'actual story origin' mother land :tcool:

Very true.

Going to sleep now. I hope this thread grows while I'm asleep.

[IndigoErth]

If the current owners decide to shelve it indefinitely, they better aught to be open to selling should someone make them an offer. Would rather they were a perpetual foster child of companies and move on at some point if the current company decided it was done paying attention to them.

Yes, there is plenty of media to continue to enjoy if the franchise called it quits. At the same time though, that's like looking at photos of old friends, it's great and all and grateful to have those mementos to remember those times with them, but it's not the same as still having them around.

(Noooo... no anime please... lol)

[Prowler]

It came close to death at the end of the 2k3 toon. And then, suddenly, Nick/Viacom acquire it out of the blue. It was kinda sad at the time knowing the turtles could be near their end and most people outside of a few more "hardcore" fans didn't know or care about it.

Since Nick/Viacom acquired it, I began to believe that TMNT is gonna live for a long time like many other iconic franchises. If it ever dies, though? Well, I'll be a bit sad to see a big part of my childhood and my favorite franchise dying just like that. But on the other hand, many good things come to an end. And like others have said already, the franchise is gonna leave a hell of a history behind it that would take quite sometime for a new fan to watch everything.

[neatoman]

It's possible for the TMNT franchise to die but I don't really think it would matter much if it did.

All good things must come to an end, as they say. If we were to in a couple of years see the end of TMNT that would not really be much of a big deal, TMNT will still have existed and we will still have some level of access to it (I would assume). I have not watched Firefly, but I guess any Firefly fan would tell you that they would much rather want Firefly to have had it's short run, rather than for it to never have existed in the first place.

Still I doubt that TMNT will ever truly disappear forever, maybe it will be gone for a decade or so before someone decides to dust it off again.

[Shark_Blade]

(Noooo... no anime please... lol)Go watch "Attack on Titan".

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Something as epic as that would be awesome for the franchise. But alas all we got a wacky tmnt anime... wtf robots.

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[LeoRaph]

(Noooo... no anime please... lol)

Anime done well that isn't OTT is damn good. You'd just have to accept that there would be a OTT kids version as well. But imagine a more serious anime with good writing where the turtles are older dealing with the actual reality of being a mutant turtle in a human world (Japan know the theme of otherness and isolation very well) AND they get to use their weapons properly :tgrin:

[IndigoErth]

I'd at least like to see TMNT last until it's first generation of fans is them/ourselves dying out, is that too much to ask? lol

Although someday when it really is gone for good, world won't even realize how big of a loss it is in various ways. Such creativity and uniqueness, being underdogs in both story and pop culture fame, being simply the joke between aspiring comic artists and symbolism that the little guy can not only make it but what succeeds may be entirely unexpected.



Where anime is concerned, as great as older Turtles with more serious stories and good writing would be.. sorry, it's the art/animation style(s) typical of anime that I don't care for.

[LeoRaph]

Where anime is concerned, as great as older Turtles with more serious stories and good writing would be.. sorry, it's the art/animation style(s) typical of anime that I don't care for.

Fair enough...agree to disagree :tsmile:

[pennydreadful]

I'm on Team Fanfic, myself - the options are pretty much limitless in terms of tone and where you want to see the characters go. If they never made anything new in the TMNT franchise again, I could still cope just fine as long as I had fanfic.

[Shark_Blade]

Where anime is concerned, as great as older Turtles with more serious stories and good writing would be.. sorry, it's the art/animation style(s) typical of anime that I don't care for.But anime is not much different from OT and 2k3 style...:ohwell:

2k12 toon, eventhough it's cgi, has very heavy anime influence moreso than ever i.e. sweat drop, big head when mad, angry eyes, etc. So to be put off by anime is just odd.

[IndigoErth]

Well I can't expect anime fans who may look for similarities to understand why it looks different to someone else. Sorry to hear you find it unacceptable and "odd" to not see it as anime.

As LeoRaph said
Fair enough...agree to disagree :tsmile:


But we digress, this thread is not about anime...

[MikeandRaph87]

A hiatus is fine. Just not a permanent stop.

It did happen in a hiatus for three and a half years winter '98 to late Fall 2002. After Next Mutation was decided to be just one single season and the promotion and begining of toy line for the 2003 cartoon. VHS tapes were few and far between with Ebay in its early years and we had the Ring of Green which is all. A dark time indeed that was filled with fan fiction and watching the same 35% of the '87 cartoon over and over that had been released. It will never happen again due to every episode of the '87 cartoon and two thirds of the '03 cartoon with internet streaming to finish it out. The Nick series should be complete as well. Then there is your choice of comic series to read through. I am glad we don't have to go through that again. It was a time I and others thought their favorite TV show was gone for good and it was just an unfortunate rest between eras.

[Cipher]

Continue to go back to the Mirage books and encourage others to read them in whatever form they're available.

Basically the way I interact with it now, but without the niggling curiosity/urge to check in on new parts of the franchise every couple months.

[ToTheNines]

It depends on how it "ends". I was ready to let go of TMNT and move on after Turtles Forever, but I ended up falling in love with the Viacom era stuff too lol.

[Sabacooza]

I don't think it will ever die. There will always be some licensee that will want to make some money off the brand. I doubt Viacom will say no to making money any way they can. If someone else comes along and flashes a high number, Viacom would probably sell off the property anyway. Everything can be bought for the right price.

[IndigoErth]

Maybe someday (I assume no doubt long from now), TMNT might exist within "public domain" laws and be free for use to any fans with the cash and ability to create a movie, series, comic, etc., without the legal hurdles. That might be pretty cool if fans had it in their own hands to collectively and legally continue it themselves. (I mean stuff outside of the fan fiction and art that already happens.) Basically becoming a franchise and characters owned by the fans.

Imagine a movie like 2014 being made like that, film makers who legitimately care about TMNT independently connecting with others online and pulling together a team of fellow fans who could provide various needed talents, skills, and funding.

[Galactus]

My two cents...


I don't think it will ever fully die as I'm sure we'll never go too long without new merchandise or a comic book series and an attempted revival whenever a new generation is coming in but in terms of mainstream media unless something is done to really get people interested I actually foresee it being mothballed in the not-too-distant future.

But we've got a movie that's getting a sequel.

The movie series is where the big money should be. Not just in terms of takings from the box office but in a being the tent pole for the whole franchise and while it's made a profit and outperformed the lowered bar a lot of people had for it but it's not that much really.

I would argue Paramount feels the same. They are more or less indebted to to a sequel but if they were that pleased with the movie and confident about a sequel we'd be getting Leibesman back not a new director alongside claims they want to go in another direction. They may as well be holding up a sign saying "we know a lot of y'all hated it but come to the next one, it'll be better we promise"

So that's a good sign? To me I can't say I see it that way right now. Based on the takings and general audience reaction to this years movie I don't think Paramount has much faith in any sequel to make big money otherwise we'd be getting a bigger director and a very clear picture of what this new direction is. While I', sure the next movie will have a distinctly different feel to the current one right now it seems the important changes are cutting down costs. Hiring a cheaper director and one known for doing things on a slim budget etc. It all looks like they are trying to maximize what they expect to be a slim profit margin as opposed to shooting for a bigger one.

Unless something happens to get people really interested in a TMNT movie and wash away any stigma they may have based on this years feature I don't see a long series of movies.

Who cares we've got the Nick cartoon and that's great.

I actually enjoy the current animated series a lot. It's great that they are shooting for a long run and laudable they seem to want the show to grow up with it's audience....but it can't last forever. Not only will storywise will it reach a natural conclusions but eventually the boys and girls will get to the age they will be hooked on other things like each other and TMNT may seem too kiddie for them until they're old enough to feel nostalgia.

Of course there's always the possibility of a fourth animated series and wave of TMNT stuff for the generation after and that's great but the whole lather, rinse repeat cycle can only be done so many times without noticeable progress.

So what's your answer Mr Know-it-all?

I don't necessarily agree that the franchise as a whole needs to be targeting at a more mature audience but rather it should have different branches aimed at different audiences but always keep in mind there will be other interested parties.

In fact I think I think that's what Nickledeon aimed for. The current animated series is very much a childrens show but it's not only cognizant of of it's adult audience but of the franchises rich history. In other words it's a childrens show that can be appreciated by adults.

Despite the revisionist history by it's apologists I firmly believe the movie was made in the opposite. It was made for an older audience but cognizant that there will be younger viewers and trying appeal to them also but they failed. Regardless that's what the movies should be.

That's the rather sad part of all of this. It did look a while ago like we were making progress but it looks like a case of one step forward, two steps back.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think it will ever die. There will always be some licensee that will want to make some money off the brand. I doubt Viacom will say no to making money any way they can. If someone else comes along and flashes a high number, Viacom would probably sell off the property anyway. Everything can be bought for the right price.

Very true, its quite possible Viacom will sell TMNT to someone else after they feel they made all the money they can from it and are done with it. Probably won't happen for a good decade from now though, since Nick will air the cartoon in reruns long after its cancelled.

Honestly had the 4kids or Nick era's not have happened, its quite possible TMNT would have died sans the Mirage comics in the 2000's, which came to an end to.

But now that we've gotten two revivals its safe to say its been too ingrained in culture and comic book franchises that it'll always be brought back somehow.

[Shark_Blade]

Well I can't expect anime fans who may look for similarities to understand why it looks different to someone else. Sorry to hear you find it unacceptable and "odd" to not see it as anime.

As LeoRaph said



But we digress, this thread is not about anime...

It's just an observation there's no need to get upset, goodness gracious.

[LeoRaph]

Not taking any sides here but nick definitely uses elements of anime and I always thought visually 2K3 was a hybrid of anime and western style animation (minus the typical emoting stuff :twink:). Either way 2K3 always had an eastern visual feel which worked whether it was influenced by anime or not.

[snake]

It probably won't die. And if it did? I have tons of stuff I never played/read so that would keep me busy. I'd probably move on with my life too.

[ZariusTwo]

I think for the time being we're well past the point where the brand is going to suffer. At it's worst we've had "niche" eras, but seldom do we have a period in the wilderness, when we do, it's usually because bigger things are in store by a year or two.

[BubblyShell22]

I'd be sad if TMNT were never brought back, but I have a feeling that won't happen. Even if the Nick show ends, I'm sure someone else will buy the property and we may get another show in there somewhere. I was sad when the 2K3 series ended and really wasn't sure where the franchise was going to go. When I heard Nick bought it, I was leery because I wasn't sure if the show was going to be good. I gave it a chance, and I'm glad to say I love it and am glad I can continue to enjoy it and write fan fic in that universe.

But if it were to die off, I'd be okay. After Red Sky ended, I got interested in other things, so the same thing might happen again, and there's always fan fiction to keep me going. You can do any number of things with that.

[jenna]

There's a lot more life left in this machine. There's is still a lot of potential in Nick and the film line.

There have been some slow deaths in the franchise's history where things just got reworked into worse and worse formats until everyone just gave up or sold it. But so far it's always come back in a new and more positive format.

During the hiatuses we've had, I was fine. Just rewatched old stuff. It gets a bit boring though. I probably watch seasons 1-4 of 2k3 once a year anyway. It is good to have fresh material going into the pot. I really hope to see a decent run in the Nick series.

[IndigoErth]

Given all the things from the childhood of my generation that have shown up again to some extent, some of them not even nearly as beloved as the Turtles... it's possible current young fans who remain fans will be part of the driving force of future returns when they're older. Rinse and repeat.

Just gotta make sure the Turtles stay so beloved that people just can't quite let them go. :twink:

[METALHEAD]

i seriously need to see straight to video, mature animation based on the tales of leo, don, mike, and raph. in the same style as the art in the comics.

maybe even a animated version based on the first issues. in mirage style. something the company can do while showing the tv series. biggest question on my mind is, after the 2012 series, and it ends, how will nick continue? revive it with a reboot? a spin off? what? :ohwell: hrrrmm...

[IndigoErth]

biggest question on my mind is, after the 2012 series, and it ends, how will nick continue? revive it with a reboot? a spin off? what? :ohwell: hrrrmm...
Maybe Nick will eventually do a spin-off from the movie. Not sure if that's a scary idea or not. :lol:

Although I can't say I've seen too many 2D depictions I liked much... one image of a shirt I saved and small amount of fan art. That's about it though.

[Refractive Reflections]

I'd be content with the OT, first movies from the early 90s, and to a degree the 2K3 version, since no other TMNT show/movie has captivated me like those versions. Who knows, maybe I might get the chance to read the TMNT comics... :lol:

I knew someone would say that. However, the point is that we always want to see new takes on the characters. Clearly we will be watching and reading all that has gone before no matters what happens in future, but it's great to have fresh iterations & interpretations.

That's what I was hoping with the Nick series, but in my opinion and I've mentioned times before (:lol:), Nick seems more of a tribute series or "greatest hits" nods to previous TMNT versions or horror franchises. When I think of the Nick series originality, the only aspects that promeniently come up are the teenage versions of the main characters and Karai/Miwa being Splinter's daughter with Shredder and Splinter's past history. ...That's it. The series is even more disappointing and not worthwhile in following with its prevalent plot amnesia, which makes following the details of whatever story it is that they want to tell, even more frustrating.

If the TMNT franchise continues to go down this "tribute" direction with subsequent shows after Nick, and continues the visual "loudness" (i.e. the Turtles' shells being bulletproof and having Hulk-like strength) and stereotypical ostentatious displays like in the 2014 movie in movies after that universe closes, I won't really care if TMNT exists or not afterward. The Nick series and the direction of the 2014 movie (which I still haven't bother to care enough in watching yet), are already waning my fandom for the TMNT franchise.

[Luckyday]

I'd be content with the OT, first movies from the early 90s, and to a degree the 2K3 version, since no other TMNT show/movie has captivated me like those versions. Who knows, maybe I might get the chance to read the TMNT comics... :lol:



That's what I was hoping with the Nick series, but in my opinion and I've mentioned times before (:lol:), Nick seems more of a tribute series or "greatest hits" nods to previous TMNT versions or horror franchises. When I think of the Nick series originality, the only aspects that promeniently come up are the teenage versions of the main characters and Karai/Miwa being Splinter's daughter with Shredder and Splinter's past history. ...That's it. The series is even more disappointing and not worthwhile in following with its prevalent plot amnesia, which makes following the details of whatever story it is that they want to tell, even more frustrating.

If the TMNT franchise continues to go down this "tribute" direction with subsequent shows after Nick, and continues the visual "loudness" (i.e. the Turtles' shells being bulletproof and having Hulk-like strength) and stereotypical ostentatious displays like in the 2014 movie in movies after that universe closes, I won't really care if TMNT exists or not afterward. The Nick series and the direction of the 2014 movie (which I still haven't bother to care enough in watching yet), are already waning my fandom for the TMNT franchise.

Would you like to see TMNT in a dramatically turn or maybe even set in a different location? What are some things that essential that has to remain the same no matter what?

[Davetello]

Would you like to see TMNT in a dramatically turn or maybe even set in a different location? What are some things that essential that has to remain the same no matter what?

They should be kept in New York and New England. That's a staple of the series.

I suppose an elseworlds where they're from Europe or South America might work (done properly, not like the OT vacation eps), but it just wouldn't feel like the TMNT.

[Luckyday]

They should be kept in New York and New England. That's a staple of the series.

I suppose an elseworlds where they're from Europe or South America might work (done properly, not like the OT vacation eps), but it just wouldn't feel like the TMNT.

Maybe but to be honest, there not many tmnt stories that are New York specific. I mean Batman can work in Gotham in a small scale setting if the setting is Gotham because Gotham is really corrupt but others characters like say the Teen Titans can honestly take place anywhere because most of their stories are tie to themselves and the only tie to the location is to save the city. Nothing else and nothing more.

I suppose they would still have to stay within the miles radius of the birth place of where they had mutated so that they can deal with other mutants but if the series want to establish that the turtles are only mutants in existent
then I don't see how the series can't set in another cities with same sort of grim and crime like New York but nots the point of being dramatically different.

What I suggesting is to have a different location all together to replace to location of a city with a forest that nearby a small town that have stories of urban legends with the mutant turtles just be one of them and it all takes place somewhere close to Roswell, New Mexico.

We don't like to see some things change in the franchise, especially if it mess up what makes the original work so well but sometimes some changes can be for the better or it create new situations and challenges that can bring new life to TMNT.

[IndigoErth]

Would be fun to visit other places (anyone have an exchange vigilante program?) as they've done before, but would rather their home remain NYC, it's (at least to me) part of their core identity.

Eh, just out them, get them accepted and protected and working alongside the local government and U.N. so then they can go where ever the Turtles Special Ops (the TSO - sounds cool) is needed. Then have good guy mutant contacts in other cities, a whole network of them working for the greater good.

[Luckyday]

Would be fun to visit other places (anyone have an exchange vigilante program?) as they've done before, but would rather their home remain NYC, it's (at least to me) part of their core identity.

Eh, just out them, get them accepted and protected and working alongside the local government and U.N. so then they can go where ever the Turtles Special Ops (the TSO - sounds cool) is needed. Then have good guy mutant contacts in other cities, a whole network of them working for the greater good.

Fine
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But I going to keep in mind that this is the same group of people that said no to teenage april. :P

[Davetello]

Would be fun to visit other places (anyone have an exchange vigilante program?) as they've done before, but would rather their home remain NYC, it's (at least to me) part of their core identity.

Eh, just out them, get them accepted and protected and working alongside the local government and U.N. so then they can go where ever the Turtles Special Ops (the TSO - sounds cool) is needed. Then have good guy mutant contacts in other cities, a whole network of them working for the greater good.

Luckyday makes some good points, but I concur. The whole secrecy and stealth of clandestine ninja clans simply fits perfectly in New York City.

As Frankie said, "New York New York".

[Luckyday]

I suppose you can have them live in forest of North Hampton or Poughkeepsie in the beginning and they follow the trail to find their missing master which leads to New York City.

[Davetello]

The most logical alternative location would probably be where it all starts - Japan. Why not just have Yoshi and Saki still living in Nippon - Yoshi never needing to flee in exile and Saki never following him. The turtles being Japanese.

[Luckyday]

The most logical alternative location would probably be where it all starts - Japan. Why not just have Yoshi and Saki still living in Nippon - Yoshi never needing to flee in exile and Saki never following him. The turtles being Japanese.

Maybe you could set in a certain time period. Not feudal Japan because that's too predictable but maybe during the Meiji Restoration.

[Davetello]

Maybe you could set in a certain time period. Not feudal Japan because that's too predictable but maybe during the Meiji Restoration.

Possibly. Or how about in China, at the height of the Qing dynasty's empire?

[Luckyday]

Possibly. Or how about in China, at the height of the Qing dynasty's empire?


Are you suggesting a Chinese Game of Thrones?

[Davetello]

Are you suggesting a Chinese Game of Thrones?

Not really.

[Luckyday]

Not really.

Awwww man.:ohwell:

[Davetello]

Awwww man.:ohwell:

If you want that though feel free to daydream. I guess the new Netflix show Marco Polo is something resembling a Game of Thrones style series set during the time of an Asian empire.

[Luckyday]

If you want that though feel free to daydream. I guess the new Netflix show Marco Polo is something resembling a Game of Thrones style series set during the time of an Asian empire.

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[Ravenshell]

What I suggesting is to have a different location all together to replace to location of a city with a forest that nearby a small town that have stories of urban legends with the mutant turtles just be one of them and it all takes place somewhere close to Roswell, New Mexico.


Taos Muntant Ninja Turtles... I could get behind that. *l* Ninjas and Navajos. Turtles in Truth or Consequences. The Shredder of Santa Fe... someone stop me, I'm having too much fun. ;p

[LeoRaph]

I think a modern time period allows more possibilities in terms of creativity and development otherwise it would just be TMNT 3 but animated or even 2K3 Season 5. Which to me works as a one off but not the entire show.

If Japan were to happen you could have them just switch modern New York for Modern Tokyo or even Modern Osaka AND if you wanted to make it more traditional you could have them in a modern Iga Ueno hidden in the mountains similar to the anime Basilisk which again is too similar to 2K3 Season 5. The only major problem with the mountains being that they are too isolated and have to really venture out to see the world which to me the whole point is for them to exist in a world just out of arms reach that they can NEVER really be a part of. So The Modern Kyoto Sewers would probably be BEST then being it is a city that is more traditional than modern in terms of visuals but still has modern life in it.

[Prowler]

Not really on-topic but I have a question:

After the FW series was over, did you guys ever expect to see another TMNT cartoon in the future? And were you surprised when the 4kids series was announced?

[LeoRaph]

Without a doubt. It was hard to see the fred wolf series here after the first 5 seasons and they were hard to access being the internet wasn't really a thing then. By that time as well High School happened and TMNT was long forgotten about.

Then just after High School, seeing barely the first 5 mins of the premiere episode of Next Mutation put such a bad taste in my mouth that I never even gave it another thought. It wasn't until my mid twenties I saw 2K3 and I thought whoa it's much much much better and got into it all over again. So yeah I definitely wasn't even thinking about another animated series till I saw 2K3.

Glad I gave it another chance :tgrin:

[Redeemer]

Leo656 wrote a post which made for very uncomfortable reading. He said that he thinks the franchise will die in future if Viacom doesn't freshen it up. Essentially meaning they need to make it more mature in theme, or at least create a branch of the franchise which is more adult.

So if the turtles ever cease to exist - no more shows, no more films, no more comics, no more toys etc - how will you cope with it? It would be devastating to many of our lives, I expect.

Honestly I don't think we have anything to worry about. I agree with others I don't think TMNT will especially sense a big name like Nickelodeon is in control.

Before the 2k3 show things look pretty bleak for the franchise, but 2k3 revived it.

TMNT seems to have a formula for success with kids that no other super-heroe franchise has. TMNT has had the biggest and most successful cartoon runs in history for comic based cartoons. No else comes close.

Tmnt also has comics for older audiences.

I believe TMNT will become a big franchise like Spider-man, Super-man, and Batman.

[IndigoErth]

If they moved their hometown... You think Raph would still sound like Raph, or would they keep it within his character to be the one that actually sounds like he's from the area? Because depending what city or town they moved it to, some dialects and slang might be rather amusing coming from him. :lol:

[Luckyday]

If they moved their hometown... You think Raph would still sound like Raph, or would they keep it within his character to be the one that actually sounds like he's from the area? Because depending what city or town they moved it to, some dialects and slang might be rather amusing coming from him. :lol:

Well depending on their situation, they may not even know how to speak english and just japanese. Raph's accent sounds brooklyn but in for my version, Raph sounds the way his does because the Casey Jones in my story has been friends with the turtles since they were children and his accent rub off on most of the turtles but Raph especially since he hangs out with Casey the most.

[Coola Yagami]

Not really on-topic but I have a question:

After the FW series was over, did you guys ever expect to see another TMNT cartoon in the future? And were you surprised when the 4kids series was announced?

Honestly no. This was a little before the era of remakes started. And yeah I know we has stuff like the new adventures of speed racer and he-man but eh it was before we had stuff like The Batman, Spectacular Spiderman and xmen evolution. I don't know. Before the news hit that volume 4 was being made I thought the tmnt were gone for good.

[LeoRaph]

If they moved their hometown... You think Raph would still sound like Raph, or would they keep it within his character to be the one that actually sounds like he's from the area? Because depending what city or town they moved it to, some dialects and slang might be rather amusing coming from him. :lol:

Yeah, tough is tough no matter what dialect/accent it is. There's tough types everywhere. There are also region specific dialects that work for the tough type just like Pais's Brooklyn/Bronx accent which was the original basis for the 'Raph' we know which simply is just ONE dialect that worked really really well.

At the end of the day, it's essentially just a basic universal personality launching pad, like calm, fun, smart. It's voice acting so you have to carry it all in your voice, the more specific the better ;). You can improvise the little 'isms' without it being in the writing. As long as they sound like their personalities I don't think it would be that big a deal providing casting is right.

[Prowler]

Honestly no. This was a little before the era of remakes started. And yeah I know we has stuff like the new adventures of speed racer and he-man but eh it was before we had stuff like The Batman, Spectacular Spiderman and xmen evolution. I don't know. Before the news hit that volume 4 was being made I thought the tmnt were gone for good.

The American version of Speed Racer was a letdown, but I still liked it as a kid. Even that cheesy opening. :lol:

[Refractive Reflections]

Would you like to see TMNT in a dramatically turn or maybe even set in a different location? What are some things that essential that has to remain the same no matter what?

My position goes hand-in-hand with this post (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1401303#post1401303), I made earlier.

With me, it doesn't have to be radically different for me to be content. Take for example with Baxter Stockman. We already had him be a fly and being part machine, if the Nick series could have turned him into something else other than those two I would be fine with it. When you combine this with having the Technodrome, Irma, the OT Turtles (now appearing twice in the series), Rocksteady and Bebop appearing soon, etc.... it blurs the series into seeming like a derivative copy of the OT.

I do credit the Nick show for having a different spin with the Shredder-Karai-Splinter backstory, and enjoy how IDW brought a reincarnation aspect to their universe and even had Raphael separated in the beginning for some time, even though this reincarnation aspect wasn't a favorable twist in storytelling for me. I was even open to teenage April, Casey, and Karai for the Nick series, but at this moment, it seems mostly used to fulfill shallow romantic crushes between the supporting human characters and Turtles, rather than exploring the uncertain and awkward stage of adolescence (which Nick seemed to imply in the beginning), which is why I look so unfavorably with this decision to make them teenagers. At least in the other incarnations, it forced the storywriting to make these Turtles and human characters bond with each other without resorting to more obvious romantic cliches.

But to go back to your question, I guess for me the mutations and some form of a Hamato Yoshi backstory should remain the two core foundations, because obviously we need these Turtles to become humanoid and there has to be some deep feud that builds the antagonism against Hamato Yoshi, and thus against the Turtles which forces them develop their ninjitsu skills and fighting. I see these two aspects as fundamentally important, otherwise the story becomes something other than Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. But other than that I'm fairly open to anything else. I may not like everything introduced, but at least it's different.

Not really on-topic but I have a question:

After the FW series was over, did you guys ever expect to see another TMNT cartoon in the future? And were you surprised when the 4kids series was announced?

I didn't expect another TMNT cartoon because I knew the likelihood was slim since it was unheard of cartoons coming back on television unless they were staples of American culture like the Flintstones or the Jetsons. I was kind of surprised during the 2000s since not many cartoons/franchises of the 80s were being revived, but after hearing Peter Laird was leading the direction of the new 4Kids series, I was no longer surprised. I figured it was only natural that Laird would want to finally have far more creative control over what he wanted to tell for the Turtles in a cartoon format. Therefore, it wouldn't be the brightly colored, comedy-driven cartoon we were accustomed with in the OT.

[Prowler]

Yea, it seems like the TMNT were seen as something that had its 15 minutes of fame and was gonna be nothing more than a mere afterthought afterwards. Hell, the TMNT will always be an 80s phenomenon, I guess. The 4kids series didn't get anywhere mainstream success, but the Nick series is the closest thing that's gotten near mainstream since the FW series and the 3 live-action films. Bay's film made bucks but was very criticized, though, so who knows if it's gonna have a positive impact on the franchise as a whole.

Nowadays, the Turtles are almost like a staple "superhero" franchise as Batman, Spider-man, etc. are. There will always be something going on.

[TheCanadiandrome]

it'll never end

[CaliperCat]

I don't think it will die, especially not within the next 10 or 20 years. I only started paying attention to Ninja Turtles last year (talk about being late to the party, eh?), but I remember it being around as a kid somewhere in the background. Ninja Turtles would be fairly popular, and then it'd ebb, only to be popular again a few years later. As long as there are re-runs, or some hint of it being present (not to mention all the parents who'll have DvD's to show their kids), there will always be kids falling in love with the turtles, fueling the franchise, then growing up and continuing to produce Turtles television/movies/comics. It may not achieve the hugeness of Batman or Spiderman, but the niche should always be big enough to maintain itself.

[Luckyday]

My position goes hand-in-hand with this post (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1401303#post1401303), I made earlier.

With me, it doesn't have to be radically different for me to be content. Take for example with Baxter Stockman. We already had him be a fly and being part machine, if the Nick series could have turned him into something else other than those two I would be fine with it. When you combine this with having the Technodrome, Irma, the OT Turtles (now appearing twice in the series), Rocksteady and Bebop appearing soon, etc.... it blurs the series into seeming like a derivative copy of the OT.

I do credit the Nick show for having a different spin with the Shredder-Karai-Splinter backstory, and enjoy how IDW brought a reincarnation aspect to their universe and even had Raphael separated in the beginning for some time, even though this reincarnation aspect wasn't a favorable twist in storytelling for me. I was even open to teenage April, Casey, and Karai for the Nick series, but at this moment, it seems mostly used to fulfill shallow romantic crushes between the supporting human characters and Turtles, rather than exploring the uncertain and awkward stage of adolescence (which Nick seemed to imply in the beginning), which is why I look so unfavorably with this decision to make them teenagers. At least in the other incarnations, it forced the storywriting to make these Turtles and human characters bond with each other without resorting to more obvious romantic cliches.

But to go back to your question, I guess for me the mutations and some form of a Hamato Yoshi backstory should remain the two core foundations, because obviously we need these Turtles to become humanoid and there has to be some deep feud that builds the antagonism against Hamato Yoshi, and thus against the Turtles which forces them develop their ninjitsu skills and fighting. I see these two aspects as fundamentally important, otherwise the story becomes something other than Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. But other than that I'm fairly open to anything else. I may not like everything introduced, but at least it's different.


I see. I agree that the Hamato Yoshi background story is one of the important aspect because where does theme of circle of violence come into play if there is nothing personal about it?

To me the mutation aspect is never really explore as a possible concept in xenofiction. It's always just there on the surface. I mean we are talking about something that can contradict the laws of nature and might even bend the laws of physic. And there the fact they were once low life animals change to something with a higher consciousness. I can't imagine what that's must feel like or I guess it was a good thing they were mutated so young so that they might remember their pre mutant life but then again it just makes me wonder about their psyche in general. Writers have taken the easy way out by writing them as humans but I find them more interesting when they have bit of an alien mind towards them. Heck I made a entire thread about what a social structure of mutants would look like and the conversation got really dark and disturbing like something out of Island of Dr. Moreau. :teek:

The Eusociality of Mutant Animals (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=50086)

I had little bit of an idea that their mutation was not so much an accident per say but a test in science is to see if was possible but of course they were going to be put down or kill while they were still in the egg because bringing them into the world where they will brand as inhuman will be consider "unethical" in the scientific community and having April who is a scientist in this version was the one who voted for the eggs be destroyed but then I realize it may be hitting too close to home with pro choice and pro life.

[Refractive Reflections]

I see. I agree that the Hamato Yoshi background story is one of the important aspect because where does theme of circle of violence come into play if there is nothing personal about it?

To me the mutation aspect is never really explore as a possible concept in xenofiction. It's always just there on the surface. I mean we are talking about something that can contradict the laws of nature and might even bend the laws of physic. And there the fact they were once low life animals change to something with a higher consciousness. I can't imagine what that's must feel like or I guess it was a good thing they were mutated so young so that they might remember their pre mutant life but then again it just makes me wonder about their psyche in general. Writers have taken the easy way out by writing them as humans but I find them more interesting when they have bit of an alien mind towards them. Heck I made a entire thread about what a social structure of mutants would look like and the conversation got really dark and disturbing like something out of Island of Dr. Moreau. :teek:

The Eusociality of Mutant Animals (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=50086)

I had little bit of an idea that their mutation was not so much an accident per say but a test in science is to see if was possible but of course they were going to be put down or kill while they were still in the egg because bringing them into the world where they will brand as inhuman will be consider "unethical" in the scientific community and having April who is a scientist in this version was the one who voted for the eggs be destroyed but then I realize it may be hitting too close to home with pro choice and pro life.

Not only that, but the issues of quality of life with extreme mental disability and eugenics could also inadvertently slip into the debate because it's a psyche that isn't fully "human", and with it, bring a lot of controversy. That's a very thought-provoking perspective there LuckyDay! :) ...And it's certainly something that could be explored.

I think in the end, however these Turtle mutants are used, they are used as a metaphor to reflect upon our own humanity from an outsider point of view, which can help create greater understanding amongst differing demographics. ...Which is another reason why TMNT appealed to me more than other comicbook superheroes.

[DarkFell]

I doubt the TMNT franchise will ever die; the fans will keep it alive and so will IDW, some cartoon production studio, *be it Viacom or another company* and those wonderful merchandise production people that keep us happy.

[SuperXShredder]

I'll survive...the nick toons are alright but it's the original cartoon series that i've really had a connection with and very fond of...and that ended years ago.

[pannoni1]

Think of other classic Nickelodeon properties that were popular and died: Doug, Ren & Stimpy, Aaahh! Real Monsters, Rocko's Modern Life, and Rugrats (which was bigger than TMNT for a time). All were definining shows to any '90s kid, but most haven't been released onto DVD and people still view these as "remember when" and I don't expect revivals of these, and I feel that as soon as Nick's TMNT ends, it will go the same way. I just feel that TMNT was as much an iconic part of popular culture just like The Flinstones and The Jetsons (depsite having just 26 episodes for the later for over 20 years before its revival) due to its huge presence that was felt, especially in the early '90s where it was commonly referenced by non-fans. Just before TMNT 2003, He-Man 200X started up, Transformers Animated was starting, and My Little Pony was moving on to G3, so I knew that with those shows, a new TMNT series was a possibility. I would look back on the brand just like all those other shows I've mentioned. I probably would be a member at Comic Book forums or Toon Zone instead to cover everything, actively tape trade for original TMNT episodes aired on TV or watching them on Youtube, and still share the nostalgia of all those properties at conventions and still research the creators of those properties. I actually may enjoy it more since there would be more of a mystique behind the creation. The only problem I find is that so many revivals denies the chance for completely new properties to become popular; sure they're out there, but in essence very few have the chance to "make it".

[Eurydemus]

I, too, don't think TMNT will truly "die". The franchise's single biggest advantage is the fact that it doesn't exist in only one medium. Even if the shows and movies come and go, the comics will - hopefully - still be there in some form or another to introduce new content. While I love the shows, I'll be okay if I only have the comics to look forward to.

[Metalwolf]

Think of other classic Nickelodeon properties that were popular and died: Doug, Ren & Stimpy, Aaahh! Real Monsters, Rocko's Modern Life, and Rugrats (which was bigger than TMNT for a time). All were definining shows to any '90s kid, but most haven't been released onto DVD and people still view these as "remember when" and I don't expect revivals of these, and I feel that as soon as Nick's TMNT ends, it will go the same way. I just feel that TMNT was as much an iconic part of popular culture just like The Flinstones and The Jetsons (depsite having just 26 episodes for the later for over 20 years before its revival) due to its huge presence that was felt, especially in the early '90s where it was commonly referenced by non-fans. Just before TMNT 2003, He-Man 200X started up, Transformers Animated was starting, and My Little Pony was moving on to G3, so I knew that with those shows, a new TMNT series was a possibility. I would look back on the brand just like all those other shows I've mentioned. I probably would be a member at Comic Book forums or Toon Zone instead to cover everything, actively tape trade for original TMNT episodes aired on TV or watching them on Youtube, and still share the nostalgia of all those properties at conventions and still research the creators of those properties. I actually may enjoy it more since there would be more of a mystique behind the creation. The only problem I find is that so many revivals denies the chance for completely new properties to become popular; sure they're out there, but in essence very few have the chance to "make it".The difference though between TMNT and those shows is that TMNT has had multiple iterations. I don't think TMNT will die out anytime soon, as it seems to be one of those franchises that adapts well to different takes. Good as they were, those other Nick franchises you mentioned were one trick ponies, and you can't really do much with them once the novelty has run it's course.

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

Why not reboot TMNT into a 19th century version? With april working as a newspaper journalist and Krang, of course, being from Mars!

[neatoman]

Why not reboot TMNT into a 19th century version? With april working as a newspaper journalist and Krang, of course, being from Mars!

... Why? I could see that being some kind of crazy mini-series by IDW, but not as a major part of the franchise.