Fans' opinion of a new reboot

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Do you think there is anyway we can reach out to Viacom/Nickelodeon about a proper reboot of the TMNT movie franchise? Like a mirage style movie like the first one. I feel that we are in an age where fans are more vocal and have a say on what we would like.

[TurtleTitan97]

I doubt it, honestly.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

yea...don't pay to see the second one...like at all...pretty much just dont go see it or watch anything about it

[plastroncafe]

There's no financial incentive for the studio to make a movie to cater to a small, and shrinking, niche market. Especially one with an effects-laden premise like TMNT.

Best we can hope for is a fan film of some sort.

[BubblyShell22]

No because I don't think Nick has any say in the movie since Platinum Dunes is the one doing it. As The Boston Ninja Turtle said, the best way to be vocal about it is to not buy the DVD and to not see the sequel.

[IndigoErth]

Do they understand what a proper reboot is though. The Nick show has done pretty well, at least in terms of the kind of version it's aiming to be, so not everyone with Nick is clueless, but with a movie... I dunno, somehow I have a feeling a lot of their role has been to just sign off on things and give their ok while letting film makers do whatever they please as long as it doesn't seem incredibly absurd (like aliens). With a big name like Bay in there they prob just let him and the rest of his team do what ever.

IMO fan power is prob more effectively aimed at pushing for better with the sequel. To keep that slight sting from criticism of the first still present enough they may be a bit more mindful this time. Even those who are in love with the first film still could help the next by acknowledging their own negative points alongside the positive.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

The 2014 TMNT movie is officially the most successful movie of 2014 combination of theater, dvd, and digital sales. There is zero chance they blow it up and start over.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

The 2014 TMNT movie is officially the most successful movie of 2014 combination of theater, dvd, and digital sales. There is zero chance they blow it up and start over.



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[Jester]

The 2014 TMNT movie is officially the most successful movie of 2014 combination of theater, dvd, and digital sales. There is zero chance they blow it up and start over.
Um....Ok....Where'd this come from? Guardians did 2x as much as TMNT. Heck, theatrically speaking, TMNT is #13 in box-office receipts for 2014. It'd have to trounce several films claim that spot. Heck, online estimates for Frozen at $161,380,104 in DVD sales and another $146,646,441 in Blu Rays for a total of $308,026,545. I'm sure that flick is killing home video sales.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

The 2014 TMNT movie is officially the most successful movie of 2014 combination of theater, dvd, and digital sales.

I don't think that's right. At all.

There is zero chance they blow it up and start over.

Yeah, I imagine Platinum Dunes is pretty pleased with the money the first film generated. I doubt we'll see another film reboot for at least another decade.

[TrickOrTreater]

Um....Ok....Where'd this come from? Guardians did 2x as much as TMNT. Heck, theatrically speaking, TMNT is #13 in box-office receipts for 2014. It'd have to trounce several films claim that spot. Heck, online estimates for Frozen at $161,380,104 in DVD sales and another $146,646,441 in Blu Rays for a total of $308,026,545. I'm sure that flick is killing home video sales.

I don't think that's right. At all.

I'm loving this. Couldn't be funnier if it was scripted.

This is such a non-thing and they're trumpeting it as if it is the crown jewel of 2014.

[NinjaPug]

The 2014 TMNT movie is officially the most successful movie of 2014 combination of theater, dvd, and digital sales. There is zero chance they blow it up and start over.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Can't stop laughing at how absurd and incorrect this statement is.

[Galactus]

The 2014 TMNT movie is officially the most successful movie of 2014 combination of theater, dvd, and digital sales. There is zero chance they blow it up and start over.

Source on this please.

[Shark_Blade]

No reboot for another 20 years. Or 24 years to be precise. Anyway, most peopl love it judging from the sales.

We're doing fine as is now, loads of enhancement and improvements can be made in the sequel for sure. Maybe introducing new technology technique. It's not surprisng how sequels can be better than the orignal i.e. like Terminator 2, Toy Story 2, etc.

[massakre]

The 2014 TMNT movie is officially the most successful movie of 2014 combination of theater, dvd, and digital sales. There is zero chance they blow it up and start over.

This.. sorry man.. give it another 25 yrs or so

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

As a fan of the new movie and excited for the sequel, I don't want a new reboot.

[TigerClaw]

As a fan of the new movie and excited for the sequel, I don't want a new reboot.
Yeah, I don't want another reboot either, And I was fine with the new film, Its just I'm not one of those super hardcore fans, that only likes one thing, I'm very open, and appreciate all incarnations of TMNT.

If people give you **** for liking something, that they do not like, Just ignore them and move on.

[plastroncafe]

This is such a non-thing and they're trumpeting it as if it is the crown jewel of 2014.

It was apparently the most Feminist movie of 2014, according to Forbes.
So I guess it has that going for it?

[Candy Kappa]

Makes one wonder if the was another TMNT movie that I've missed...

[plastroncafe]

Or just how bad the rest of the movies that came out this year really were...

[Candy Kappa]

2014 couldn't have been THAT bad...

[TrickOrTreater]

Its just I'm not one of those super hardcore fans, that only likes one thing, I'm very open, and appreciate all incarnations of TMNT.

Shut the f*ck up.

I'm so sick of THIS bullsh*t.

[IndigoErth]

Not for another 20 to 25 years.... just how old do you think some of us want to have to be by then? :lol: I don't even want to think about it.

Someone just make more decent movies between now and then, doesn't have to be reboots, I don't want to wait until I'm legit old. lol

[TigerClaw]

Shut the f*ck up.

I'm so sick of THIS bullsh*t.
And there's the evidence.

When you like something that someone else doesn't, They result to yelling and saying expletives.

These are the kinds of things you have to ignore.

[TrickOrTreater]

And there's the evidence.

Jesus christ, evidence of what? What are you talking about? You don't even know.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

remember when even bad movies were a fun experience


and movies where made by people who actually cared

[Commenter 42]

TMNT is a money making brand, especially when you push the spectacle angle. Of course it made money, but it made nostalgia money. You can only go to the well once if you screw up, and they screwed up.

If TMNT was the only superhero flick in 2016, it would do ok. Since it's not, and they're being cheap, well...
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[TrickOrTreater]

Oh look who just signed on. This should be fun and hard to read.

[NinjaPug]

Yeah, I don't want another reboot either, And I was fine with the new film, Its just I'm not one of those super hardcore fans, that only likes one thing, I'm very open, and appreciate all incarnations of TMNT.

If people give you **** for liking something, that they do not like, Just ignore them and move on.

No, you're one of those fans that like anything if it has the name TMNT on it.

I consider myself a "super hardcore fan" as you put it but I'm very open to any incarnation of TMNT especially if the people behind it care about the franchise (see Nick show/IDW). In fact, this PD movie is the only version of TMNT that I legitimately hate. It has no redeeming qualities in my eyes. The people behind it don't give a **** about the characters or mythology. All they care about is $ and thanks to fans like you they got what they wanted.

[TigerClaw]

No, you're one of those fans that like anything if it has the name TMNT on it.

I consider myself a "super hardcore fan" as you put it but I'm very open to any incarnation of TMNT especially if the people behind it care about the franchise (see Nick show/IDW). In fact, this PD movie is the only version of TMNT that I legitimately hate. It has no redeeming qualities in my eyes. The people behind it don't give a **** about the characters or mythology. All they care about is $ and thanks to fans like you they got what they wanted.
That doesn't sound like your open at all, You gotta be a fan of all things, TV, Movies, Video Games, Comics.

[TrickOrTreater]

No, you're one of those fans that like anything if it has the name TMNT on it.

I consider myself a "super hardcore fan" as you put it but I'm very open to any incarnation of TMNT especially if the people behind it care about the franchise (see Nick show/IDW). In fact, this PD movie is the only version of TMNT that I legitimately hate. It has no redeeming qualities in my eyes. The people behind it don't give a **** about the characters or mythology. All they care about is $ and thanks to fans like you they got what they wanted.

Exactly.


Yeah, I TOTALLY only love one version.

That one version being the original cartoon, the original movies, the 2003 cartoon, the 2007 movie, and the new cartoon.

Totally not open to new iterations of the Turtles as long as they're good.

It's bullsh*t apologist speak for liking a sh*t movie. "Oh teh movei isnt bad, you jus a HATER lol :trolleye::trolleye::trolleye:"

You gotta be a fan of all things, TV, Movies, Video Games, Comics.

See?

[NinjaPug]

That doesn't sound like your open at all, You gotta be a fan of all things, TV, Movies, Video Games, Comics.

I'm not open because I don't blindly accept a poor movie simply because it has the TMNT name on it?

That's not being open. That's being a sheep.

[Bry]

This.. sorry man.. give it another 25 yrs or so

Zero chance it'll take that long. Especially these days, established franchises don't get to lie dormant for long if there's any money to squeeze out of them. We'll be seeing a reboot pretty soon after this iteration has run its course.

I'm not expecting a Mirage adaptation necessarily, but if they do want to go in a different direction for the next go-round, taking more cues from the comics would be the smartest option. This movie series is bound to be remembered poorly, so I can see them wanting to "Batman Begins" the next round to give it a shot in the arm. Fingers crossed.

So alla y'all - if you want to see that happen sooner than later, please stop giving Platinum Dunes your hard-earned money. :twink:

And there's the evidence.

When you like something that someone else doesn't, They result to yelling and saying expletives.

These are the kinds of things you have to ignore.

Check your own post that he was replying too, homie. You took condescending shots at people and dropped a "****" yourself.

Glass houses... :trolleye:

That doesn't sound like your open at all, You gotta be a fan of all things, TV, Movies, Video Games, Comics.

That's not what open-mindedness means at all, though. Being open means you're willing to consider something on its own merits and give it an honest chance. A lot of people approached this movie with an open mind and tried to give it a chance, and wound up hating it because it was a bad movie.

What you're describing is putting on the fan-blinders and liking everything regardless of quality, just because it's a part of the property. Which is actually crazy closed-minded itself - you're not open to seeing the flaws in anything. Open-mindedness goes both ways, negative or positive. If you've got a bias toward being positive about everything, that's not being open-minded at all.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

That doesn't sound like your open at all, You gotta be a fan of all things, TV, Movies, Video Games, Comics.

You don't have to be a big lover of all TMNT stuff to be a "real" TMNT fan. Someone who is open will try said TV shows, video games, and movies, but might not necessarily like them.

Do all Star Wars fans have to love the Star Wars Holiday Special to be open?

[TrickOrTreater]

Check your own post that he was replying too, homie. You took condescending shots at people and dropped a "****" yourself.

Glass houses... :trolleye:

Friggin' hypocrites.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I don't like a lot of the things about the movie, especially poor creative descisions the 'learning martial arts from a book' thing. But I DO NOT want a reboot. I do want bay gone, I do want a new writing and directing and producing staff, and I want a 'GI Joe retaliation'-style continuation moving away from the first one's mistakes, but I 100% DO NOT want to sit through another origin AGAIN! Give me Bebop and Rocksteady, and Krang and the technodrome! Retelling the Shredder story again just to get the 'cycle of vengeance' B.S. incorporated? No thanks, I won't be getting a ticket!

[TigerClaw]

Some people just needs to learn to deal with it, This new version of TMNT, The TV Show, and the new Movie, Are aimed at a new generation. Some people just don't like change.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Some people just needs to learn to deal with it, This new version of TMNT, The TV Show, and the new Movie, Are aimed at a new generation. Some people just don't like change.

you do realize by just accepting you do more harm to your beloved franchise

[TrickOrTreater]

Some people just needs to learn to deal with it, This new version of TMNT, The TV Show, and the new Movie, Are aimed at a new generation. Some people just don't like change.

JESUS

You do realize there are people here who hate the movie but love the cartoon right?

Or does that just not fit your personal bias?

[TigerClaw]

JESUS

You do realize there are people here who hate the movie but love the cartoon right?

Or does that just not fit your personal bias?
I love the new cartoon and the new movie, Its made for a new generation, Your just trying to instigate things, For that I'm just gonna ignore and move on.

[TrickOrTreater]

I love the new cartoon and the new movie, Its made for a new generation, Your just trying to instigate things, For that I'm just gonna ignore and move on.

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[Bry]

Some people just needs to learn to deal with it, This new version of TMNT, The TV Show, and the new Movie, Are aimed at a new generation. Some people just don't like change.

And here you're trying to reframe the entire issue into something it never was.

While it's true that some don't like change, that's not true for everyone, or even most. The TMNT property has seen a ton of change over its 30 years - every iteration is different in some way from what came before, and most fans are able to roll with that and enjoy what comes next as long as the quality is good overall or it feels "right". And that's exactly the point here that you're trying to divert the conversation from - it's not about change, it's about quality. To many of us, this movie is just bad. Badly-written and badly-produced. It feels "wrong". Even to many of those who went into it with an open mind. And most of those who disliked the thing can back up their opinions very well.

I get that you don't like that, but don't act like everyone who disagrees with you is "closed-minded" or "hates change". It's insulting and false.

[IndigoErth]

But I DO NOT want a reboot. I do want bay gone, I do want a new writing and directing and producing staff
Agree on all that, would rather move on to improving it if at all possible. A reboot in the future to refamiliarize people with it if the Turtles were away from tv and movies for a while, that's one thing, but not this soon... all it might result in is some other block buster film team and another wacky idea and we never get any further.


Really do kind of despise the "new generation" sentiment... Welcome in the newcomers, but I ain't dead yet. Advances in movie technology and mediums aren't made for generations, they're just made.

People have been rather funny about change in regard to this though. People cry about "accepting change" but then they themselves may be adamant that certain things have to be included. (Like rap and defending that awful song on the basis of TMNT always including rap. Maybe it's time to try another music genre.)

[NinjaPug]

Some people just needs to learn to deal with it, This new version of TMNT, The TV Show, and the new Movie, Are aimed at a new generation. Some people just don't like change.

How are you missing the point?

Change isn't what people don't like. It's abominations of movies like the new TMNT that people don't like.

I love the new tv series.

I love the new comic series.

I hate this movie.

Yep, I clearly have a problem with change.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

To those woh dislike the movie, question; would you go see a sequel written by Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz, and Produced solely by Eastman (and maybe From, but no bay)? Just curious

[TurtleTitan97]

Some people just don't like change.

:roll: That's absurd. People like change, we just don't like changes that make something suck. Case in point, every single thing about this movie.

You wanna know why people like the Nick show and the IDW comics so much? Because not only do they tell good stories, they're still faithful to the source material while still being there own thing. Something this movie failed to do. THAT'S why so many people were against it in the first place. Saying that it's made for a new generation is no excuse to not criticize its faults.

[plastroncafe]

To those woh dislike the movie, question; would you go see a sequel written by Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz, and Produced solely by Eastman (and maybe From, but no bay)? Just curious

Set in the same universe with the same cast and the same production values?
No, probably not.

[TrickOrTreater]

To those woh dislike the movie, question; would you go see a sequel written by Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz, and Produced solely by Eastman (and maybe From, but no bay)? Just curious

A sequel with these same actors and design elements and tone?

Nope.

Soft to hard reboot with whole new cast and crew or I don't pay to see it.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

*shrugs* fair enough, I guess everyone has their personal sticking points. Just like I would despise an origin retread.

thanks.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

To those woh dislike the movie, question; would you go see a sequel written by Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz, and Produced solely by Eastman (and maybe From, but no bay)? Just curious

If it had the same tone and general "feel" as the first, I wouldn't.

If it was the same cast but a total change in tone and whatnot, I'd be cautiously optimistic about that.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

while eastman is a co creator...no i wouldnt..love the guy but he isnt the clear minded guy to lead his franchise

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

while eastman is a co creator...no i wouldnt..love the guy but he isnt the clear minded guy to lead his franchise

Again fair enough, it's a matter of personal taste. I personally steered clear of TMNT during the decade of Laird's solo tenure as head of the franchise, because I don't care for his interpretation.

[Bry]

To those woh dislike the movie, question; would you go see a sequel written by Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz, and Produced solely by Eastman (and maybe From, but no bay)? Just curious

I'd be a lot more curious to see it, at the very least. I don't want to say anything's unsalvageable - I've read enough comics in my life to know a good, new creative team can turn almost anything around. But for my tastes, you'd have to change so much (including tone, backstory, character designs and some cast) that it'd probably be smarter and easier to just reboot. Unfortunately they got so much wrong with the first one that it'd take some kind of miracle to course-correct enough in a sequel.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

The 2014 TMNT movie is officially the most successful movie of 2014 combination of theater, dvd, and digital sales. There is zero chance they blow it up and start over.

Well I skimmed through an article, and half read a headline, I should have done more research before making that claim. I am wrong about that. However, the movie made them a ton of money, and continues to make money through dvd, and digital sales. It's NOT getting rebooted.

It was apparently the most Feminist movie of 2014, according to Forbes.
So I guess it has that going for it?

I saw this article, that was written by a MAN. He would know true feminism....

[plastroncafe]

I saw this article, that was written by a MAN. He would know true feminism....

He might. You never know.

[Galactus]

And there's the evidence.

When you like something that someone else doesn't, They result to yelling and saying expletives.

These are the kinds of things you have to ignore.

I'm not really sure one persons lapse is really evidence of anything.

While you're generally polite a lot of this movie's defenders have been the ones to resort to insults and expletives far more than people with criticisms against it.

Not to mention a lot of the defenders including...if not particularly yourself are very condescending in your defense with constant claims that the rest of us are "stuck in the past" or "only appreciate one version" or "can't handle change" but that's not true at all, is it?. Look around. This is a board with many sections devoted to different versions of TMNT. I can only think one active member that claims to only really like one version and even then he seems to appreciate and respect a few others. As far as I know everyone seems cool with different interpretations.

Of the current output I personally like the Nickelodeon show, okay with the IDW comics but loathed the new movie. Clearly it's not that I can't handle change or any of the other claims you make otherwise we wouldn't like other current versions it's just that I don't the movie. The same is just a true for others; and you know that but still persist brushing it off seemingly as a way to ignore valid criticisms. At this point it almost seems like baiting people because you must have seen by now how this kind of response provokes a reaction.

[BubblyShell22]

Exactly. I get really sick of people who say that we're not "true fans" just because we don't like this movie. We don't have to like it to be a true fan. I like the Nick show, and that's all I need because the people behind it respect the franchise and the source material. The people who made this movie didn't care about any of it and just stuck together something they thought would be good but wasn't. I'm a TMNT fan, but if being a true fan means I have to like this movie, then count me out. I'll stick with the Nick show, thank you very much.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Exactly. I get really sick of people who say that we're not "true fans" just because we don't like this movie.

agreed on this

i mean i like some weird tmnt things..I actually like Next Mutation and THE Out of their Shells Tour

but i dont claim those that dont arnt "True tmnt fans" because they dont like all thats TMNT

[BubblyShell22]

I don't like Next Mutation, but if you do, that's cool. The whole point of being a fan is that there are some things we like and some things we don't like, but we're still fans of the boys in green. That's what brings us together, and to insult a percentage of people who didn't like this movie is just bad taste and narrow-minded.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

I don't like Next Mutation, but if you do, that's cool.

and see i have no issues with you saying you dont like it...granted i don't love it..its more of a quilty pleasure..but im not gonna sit here and berate you


im sure there are TMNT things you like i dont

as you said its not the individual things of TMNT we like or dislike its the TMNT idea that brings us here

[BubblyShell22]

Hey, guilty pleasures aren't a bad thing. I have plenty of guilty pleasures that aren't TMNT related, and I know there are some people who wouldn't like that. And you know what? That's okay. But what saddens me is that this movie has just turned people into elitists who think that those who don't like aren't really TMNT fans, and that's just sad.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, the "true fan" stuff is rather low blow in-fighting no matter who it's aimed at and just not needed. Sort of thing people start resorting to I think when they've got little else left to go on. :roll:

[TigerClaw]

Hey, guilty pleasures aren't a bad thing. I have plenty of guilty pleasures that aren't TMNT related, and I know there are some people who wouldn't like that. And you know what? That's okay. But what saddens me is that this movie has just turned people into elitists who think that those who don't like aren't really TMNT fans, and that's just sad.
Guilty Pleasures such as, Howard the Duck, That was the very first marvel comics movie.

And even the Super Mario Bros movie is also a guilty pleasure, Cause it was the first film based on a video game.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Guilty Pleasures such as, Howard the Duck, That was the very first marvel comics movie.

And even the Super Mario Bros movie is also a guilty pleasure, Cause it was the first film based on a video game.

but see man this is why people get annoyed..you completely brush over everything and only acknoledge the most random things that dont even have to do with the topic at hand

[TigerClaw]

but see man this is why people get annoyed..you completely brush over everything and only acknoledge the most random things that dont even have to do with the topic at hand
Someone mention guilty pleasures, so I made some examples.

[TigerClaw]

Do you think there is anyway we can reach out to Viacom/Nickelodeon about a proper reboot of the TMNT movie franchise? Like a mirage style movie like the first one. I feel that we are in an age where fans are more vocal and have a say on what we would like.
Now back to the topic at hand, I doubt they will ever use the Mirage comics as a point of references for the sequels, The new movie borrowed elements from the IDW comics, and I wouldn't be surprise if they used some of the ideas for Bebop and Rocksteady of the IDW series into the sequel.

[Leo656]

If "made for a new generation" and "made for simpletons" has to be the same thing, then screw it, this "TMNT" thing may as well get the ax.

The Nick show lasted one and a half good seasons before they ran out of steam, and the new movie is garbage to anyone who wasn't born yesterday. "Condescending"? Sure, it's also Plain Truth. The best things about this franchise currently is a decent comic nobody reads and a bunch of reprints of comics nobody's read in decades. And a bunch of people grasping at straws, arguing in circles about which piss-poor version of the brand is sucking more or less than the rest of it.

Hooray? Some "Renaissance."

"You're so mean! Nobody cares if anything's any good! It's about keeping 'the brand' alive! It's all for kids! All I care about is more plaaaaaastiiiiiic...." :roll:

The fact that so many people are willing to celebrate mediocrity, or even garbage, just because it has that brand name label on it... I honestly don't care anymore. We've Seen Enough. I'd rather the brand be remembered as something mostly good, with a few misfires, as it was for the first 30 years, and not the cycle of badly-done retreads it's apparently turning into. Nobody knows what to do with it, and the "fans" apparently can't tell sh*t from Shinola. Would it... would it really be so bad if they just... stopped? I'm actually rooting for that at this point.

"But if you don't like Everything, you're not a fan!" :roll: Guess I'm not a fan, then. Because it's gradually getting to the point where the TMNT stuff that Sucks is going to be far greater than the stuff that Doesn't Suck. And if you're "okay" with that, if "Being a TMNT Fan" means you suck it all down and say nothing about it, then screw it, I don't want to be lumped in with people like that.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

and see i have no issues with you saying you dont like it...granted i don't love it..its more of a quilty pleasure..but im not gonna sit here and berate you


im sure there are TMNT things you like i dont

as you said its not the individual things of TMNT we like or dislike its the TMNT idea that brings us here

What if you had to see Bubbly's hatred for the Next Mutation every time you post something? Would you either try and defend NM, or would you get annoyed at having to hear for the 1 MILLIONTH time that NM sucked?

[TrickOrTreater]

What if you had to see Bubbly's hatred for the Next Mutation every time you post something? Would you either try and defend NM, or would you get annoyed at having to hear for the 1 MILLIONTH time that NM sucked?

Hey, did you know the new Ninja Turtles movie sucked ass?


:lol:

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

If "made for a new generation" and "made for simpletons" has to be the same thing, then screw it, this "TMNT" thing may as well get the ax.

The Nick show lasted one and a half good seasons before they ran out of steam, and the new movie is garbage to anyone who wasn't born yesterday. "Condescending"? Sure, it's also Plain Truth. The best things about this franchise currently is a decent comic nobody reads and a bunch of reprints of comics nobody's read in decades. And a bunch of people grasping at straws, arguing in circles about which piss-poor version of the brand is sucking more or less than the rest of it.

Hooray? Some "Renaissance."

"You're so mean! Nobody cares if anything's any good! It's about keeping 'the brand' alive! It's all for kids! All I care about is more plaaaaaastiiiiiic...." :roll:

The fact that so many people are willing to celebrate mediocrity, or even garbage, just because it has that brand name label on it... I honestly don't care anymore. We've Seen Enough. I'd rather the brand be remembered as something mostly good, with a few misfires, as it was for the first 30 years, and not the cycle of badly-done retreads it's apparently turning into. Nobody knows what to do with it, and the "fans" apparently can't tell sh*t from Shinola. Would it... would it really be so bad if they just... stopped? I'm actually rooting for that at this point.

"But if you don't like Everything, you're not a fan!" :roll: Guess I'm not a fan, then. Because it's gradually getting to the point where the TMNT stuff that Sucks is going to be far greater than the stuff that Doesn't Suck. And if you're "okay" with that, if "Being a TMNT Fan" means you suck it all down and say nothing about it, then screw it, I don't want to be lumped in with people like that.

I think the Nick cartoon is excellent, and has been excellent all the way through. Am I just excepting mediocrity? I have an idea of what I would love to see as a TMNT fan, I haven't gotten it yet, but that doesn't mean I'm going to trash the failures or the iterations that I don't like, because if you actually go into something with an open mind, you might find things you never thought of and end up enjoying them.

Wishing they stop trying is really just dumb, sorry, but it is. You don't have to acknowledge the versions you don't like. They don't have to be in your life. I don't like a lot of versions of TMNT, I choose to only talk about or watch the ones I DO like. You have the same option.