Why did Davetello get banned?

[Mew]

My good friend Davetello got banned today. Does anybody know what happened? I would like to know.

[Netkeeper]

It's literally tagged "why Davetello got banned". (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=50647)

[The Stryker]

Misogyny, Transphobia, ragging on someone for not mourning their grandmother enough, making fun of people's looks and/or penis size....

Take your pick.

[Mew]

WTF? Is that what he did? Damn.

[ZariusTwo]

He was starting to talk to me via PM about things, but by then it was too late, I should have made that offer to him earlier

[Candy Kappa]

I'm more curious what happened to Coola.

[Darthknuxward]

I'm more curious what happened to Coola.

Same here.

[Lethal Lullaby]

I'm more curious what happened to Coola.

Same here.

Ditto. I saw Coola Yagami was banned and got confused, so I'd also like to know what happened to him(or was Coola a girl?)

[Jester]

Coola kept riling up things in the movie sub-forum with his "It sucked, get over it!" posts. He's just temporarily banned.

[Candy Kappa]

Ah, right.

[Mew]

Is Dave just temporary banned?

[evan2000]

I had a shock as I logged in today to find two familiar names banned out of the sudden. I understood Dave's situation fairly quickly by looking at his last few posts, but Coola's case was less obvious. His last few posts didn't reveal anything suspicious.

I sincerely hope it's just a temporary ban. It's not the first time Dave exploded like this, and staying away from the forum might be the best course for him at the moment until he cools down and return normal later. I've seen his "normal" posts in the TMNT sections quite regularly and even find many of them a good read. Dave, if you're reading this, please find a way to set things right and come around okay? I understand that you could have personal issues setting you back, but just remember that you still have friends here who would rather see you return as your normal self again, as soon as you get your troubles sorted out. Oh yeah, and don't stay awake for 48 hours (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?p=1402098#post1402098) again, you know how bad it can affect your health, mood and temper (which requires lots of work). Wish you all the best!

I don't usually visit the Everything Else section, in a way, this unfortunate turn of event sort of brought me here :tconfuse:

[Mew]

Yes. When I logged on he posted his last post on my user page. Go look at it. He didn't explode at me at all, or ever.

[plastroncafe]

Lucky you.

[Katie]

FWIW I think the biggest problems Dave had were the people ("friends"?) who were supposedly egging him on in his arguments while many more people from a wide demographic of forum users who gave him the sound advice to ignore people he didn't like we're immediately vilified as being part of some vast conspiracy against him.

Those people should be ashamed of themselves. IMO those are not friends. Look what happened because of it.

The other thing was that he needed to have the last word and didn't know how to just leave an unproductive discussion.

I don't care what anyone thinks of me or anyone else, but the very best advice anyone could give to anyone else is to ignore people you don't like and don't respond to things that get you emotional. Simple.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, was likewise curious about Coola.

Shame about Dave, he did start some interesting topics and whatnot sometimes... But there's a line that was crossed, by maybe about a mile or two, and stooping to become a no-holds-barred runaway train of anger is a low point no one should reach for.

Hope he's able to find some of the inner peace and whatnot he so clearly needs. And hope those affected by that - what ever that was - are able to put it out of mind pretty soon. Some pretty nasty stuff was said :( but not worth holding onto any of it.

Yes. When I logged on he posted his last post on my user page. Go look at it. He didn't explode at me at all, or ever.
That's good to hear. If anyone had such ideas I'd rather they took it up with older members.

[The Stryker]

I really hope it isn't a temp ban for Dave.

The things he said, not just in those two threads were really disgusting and borderline disturbing ('Monroe and Princess Di deserved to die young because they were money whores')

I dunno man. I don't know.

[Leo656]

I feel kinda bad. There's been plenty of times in the past where he PMed me saying he was angry and upset and "I feel like saying this...", and I'd be like "Dude, please don't," and somehow he'd calm down and things would blow over. But I wasn't around at all yesterday, and I feel like maybe I could've talked him down again before things got bad. I guess not, though, a lot of it was building for a while, obviously. Guess it was inevitable.

I've probably talked to him more than most, he's a sharp guy but he's very open about his mental issues, his depression and anger and whatnot, and I do think some people might be more considerate of that sometimes. I mean, I don't know, I just know I've got my problems and been through counseling and told flat-out I don't need any medication, so I can only guess what it's like to be someone who has such little control of themselves and their feelings that they DO need it. I also know he's said he's had complications with his meds recently and other things have been going on. Point being, he's not a bad guy, but he has issues, and there are factors. It's never as simple as, "Eh, that guy is just an asshole." If that were the criteria for damnation, this place would have all of five people. I won't defend any of what was said - by anyone, honestly - but I definitely saw some cats who couldn't resist poking the hornet's nest once they heard a buzz. For shame.

I was curious about Coola as well, so thanks for clearing that up. I will say if he was banned for "bait" comments like that, he's far from the only one guilty. At least it's just for a while. But he honestly seemed kind of tame compared to many, Iunno. Seems like an odd pick. Guess he just got the short straw.

[Mew]

Seeing his posts, he called people c***s, transexual and a bunch of other offensive things. I don't know what to think of him.

[Leo656]

Not gonna lie, but anybody who drops a C-note on anybody is Forever Gold, in my book. :lol:

[Amaranthus]

I'm surprised you didn't make a poll about it.

[Leo656]

:lol: C'mon, be nice. :lol:

Does make a lotta polls, though... eh. :lol:

[Prowler]

I feel kinda bad. There's been plenty of times in the past where he PMed me saying he was angry and upset and "I feel like saying this...", and I'd be like "Dude, please don't," and somehow he'd calm down and things would blow over. But I wasn't around at all yesterday, and I feel like maybe I could've talked him down again before things got bad. I guess not, though, a lot of it was building for a while, obviously. Guess it was inevitable.

I've probably talked to him more than most, he's a sharp guy but he's very open about his mental issues, his depression and anger and whatnot, and I do think some people might be more considerate of that sometimes. I mean, I don't know, I just know I've got my problems and been through counseling and told flat-out I don't need any medication, so I can only guess what it's like to be someone who has such little control of themselves and their feelings that they DO need it. I also know he's said he's had complications with his meds recently and other things have been going on. Point being, he's not a bad guy, but he has issues, and there are factors. It's never as simple as, "Eh, that guy is just an asshole." If that were the criteria for damnation, this place would have all of five people. I won't defend any of what was said - by anyone, honestly - but I definitely saw some cats who couldn't resist poking the hornet's nest once they heard a buzz. For shame.

I was curious about Coola as well, so thanks for clearing that up. I will say if he was banned for "bait" comments like that, he's far from the only one guilty. At least it's just for a while. But he honestly seemed kind of tame compared to many, Iunno. Seems like an odd pick. Guess he just got the short straw.
I've talked to him a lot as well, but mostly about soccer, since we're both big fans of the sport.

Shame he wasn't able to keep his cool. Even though some things he said were a bit uncalled for, I doubt he really felt what he was saying. He seemed like a nice guy for the most part. People sometimes hurt others without thinking it twice. Anger clouds one's judgement at times. And if he really has such deep mental issues, then it only reinforces what I'm saying.

As for Coola, the movie section is a cesspool of people fighting about Bay's film. Many of them only joined this place to talk about the upcoming film and never showed up again. Weird that Coola was the one to get banned. Maybe they thought making an example out of a veteran would give other people a hint?

[plastroncafe]

There's nothing offensive about being called a transexsual, because there's nothing wrong with being a transexual. That he considered it was and attempted to use it as a slur is shameful.

I hope he takes this time to reflect on just how shameful he was yesterday.
Seriously, bringing up my dead grandmother? The slights against my virtue, mental health, weight, relationship status, and significant others...that I'm used to. But telling me that my grandmother would be pleased at how he was addressing me? Outright saying that I didn't mourn her enough?

He should be ashamed of himself.
I don't care how non-neurotypical he is, that's unacceptable.
Not being neurotypical is not an excuse for being a jackhole, which is exactly what he was yesterday.

[Katie]

We can take one look at Dave's wall and see someone who encouraged him in his arguing. This is what I'm talking about. And that person has been around long enough to know the consequences. And didn't openly participate in the argument. But he encouraged Dave.

Dave is an easily riled guy and he was exploited and encouraged down the path he ended up on. Some friend.

[Mew]

That's what I ment. Its not bad at all. You are right. But being called a c**t is.

[plastroncafe]

That's not really insulting either, Mr. Meow.
It's just a word for a part of a woman's anatomy, and parts of our body aren't shameful. So it can't be an insult to be called that.

At the end of it all we are responsible for our own words and actions.
Someone might have been egging him on, but...he still posted what he did, and therefore is responsible.
He's also responsible for managing his own illnesses, just as I'm responsible for managing mine.

[Mew]

:lol: C'mon, be nice. :lol:

Does make a lotta polls, though... eh. :lol:
Polls are kind of my thing.

[Dirty Blond]

I will miss reading Davetello's posts.

[Amaranthus]

That's not really insulting either, Mr. Meow.
It's just a word for a part of a woman's anatomy, and parts of our body aren't shameful. So it can't be an insult to be called that.

You obviously don't know how insults work.

[plastroncafe]

You obviously don't know how insults work.

I think you've got that backwards, mate.

[Prowler]

I will miss reading Davetello's posts.
Even though I didn't share some of his views and his threads were a tad controversial, I did enjoy reading what he had to say. And discussing with him as well. I've never had a problem with him.

[Turo602]

Good riddance. He was too out of control and just came off as a total dick, especially to people who didn't deserve it.

[Amaranthus]

I think you've got that backwards, mate.

Fast reply. You're obviously used to arguing online.
Insults are insults. You could say assh*le (I don't know how the swearing rules work) shouldn't be an insult because it's a part of our body, but that's just ridiculous.

[Mew]

I'm surprised you didn't make a poll about it.
Yeah! I make alot of polls!

[Dirty Blond]

Fast reply. You're obviously used to arguing online.

Could be a bot.

[Amaranthus]

Could be a bot.

I don't even want to start trouble. But the sjw feminist that is "it's a female body part, it's not a real insult" just annoys me to no end.

[plastroncafe]

Fast reply. You're obviously used to arguing online.

Or I'm at my keyboard and am proficient at using the home row.

Insults are insults. You could say assh*le (I don't know how the swearing rules work) shouldn't be an insult because it's a part of our body, but that's just ridiculous.

Maybe for you it is, but less so for me.
I just...don't see the insult in being called a vulva/vagina.
Really, the use of C*nt as a slur says more about the person using it, than the person it's being used again. How frightened of women they must be. It's sad really.
Please don't misdesignate my class: I'm a social justice cleric, not warrior.

[Amaranthus]

Or I'm at my keyboard and am proficient at using the home row.



Maybe for you it is, but less so for me.
I just...don't see the insult in being called a vulva/vagina.
Really, the use of C*nt as a slur says more about the person using it, than the person it's being used again. How frightened of women they must be. It's sad really.

People use d*ck too. It's all good.

[plastroncafe]

People use d*ck too. It's all good.

I don't find them offensive either.

[Amaranthus]

I don't find them offensive either.

You shouldn't. They're just words.
Which is why it's not a big deal.
It's only a problem when people start using homophobic or racial slur, to me at least.

[CyberCubed]

In the main TMNT section Dave made some really good threads and I enjoyed discussing Turtles with him. Its really only here in the general section that he went off on everyone. Maybe he should have just stuck to the Turtles sections and everything would have been better off.

I'm more perplexed by this post he made most of all, aside from telling everyone to die or get their teeth kicked in:

Anyway, it's clear what's going on here. A systematic attempt to wind me up and keep me angry. Hence the refusal to address my points and the little one-liners instead. Probably pre-meditated - planned by Peanut, Ninjmoron and plastroncvnt. The clearest example of this is the 'post count' accusations by plastron, when I've made it abundantly clear on multiple occasions that I abhor post counts. They should be fvcking nuked.

This post baffled me most of all. He seriously believed completely different people on the forums all planned to "gang up" on him and systematically edge him on. He seriously believed half the forum was out to get him, even though all these people don't even talk to each other regularly. It was definitely some odd case of paranoia going on here, thinking everyone is planning something sinister against you when in reality nothing is going on? I'd hate to see something like this in real life where it could have led to real-life violence.

[Redeemer]

Not gonna lie, but anybody who drops a C-note on anybody is Forever Gold, in my book. :lol:

lol same here, but we have younger members on here. We can't have members using language like that especially sense we have younger members on these boards.

Good riddance. He was too out of control and just came off as a total dick, especially to people who didn't deserve it.

Yeah He went over the top, but I like the fact he didn't take BS from the usual suspects ;)

[Turo602]

This post baffled me most of all. He seriously believed completely different people on the forums all planned to "gang up" on him and systematically edge him on. He seriously believed half the forum was out to get him, even though all these people don't even talk to each other regularly. It was definitely some odd case of paranoia going on here, thinking everyone is planning something sinister against you when in reality nothing is going on? I'd hate to see something like this in real life where it could have led to real-life violence.

Lol, reminds me of the silver kryptonite episode from Smallville.

[DarthRaphael]

The dude was a Pringles can. Once he popped he just couldn't stop. I hope his interactions IRL don't get that heated.

[plastroncafe]

This post baffled me most of all. He seriously believed completely different people on the forums all planned to "gang up" on him and systematically edge him on. He seriously believed half the forum was out to get him, even though all these people don't even talk to each other regularly. It was definitely some odd case of paranoia going on here, thinking everyone is planning something sinister against you when in reality nothing is going on? I'd hate to see something like this in real life where it could have led to real-life violence.

You and me both, especially considering how often he likes to pepper his insults to me with personal information of mine. Almost as if reinforcing the idea that he knows me and where to find me.

[Cure]

This thread taught me what neurotypical means.

Thanks, Davetello.

[ZariusTwo]

You and me both, especially considering how often he likes to pepper his insults to me with personal information of mine. Almost as if reinforcing the idea that he knows me and where to find me.

I had talked to him about a prior experiance on another forum where people were doing this precise thing to me, and he goes "oh, sorry that happened to you"

[IndigoErth]

It was definitely some odd case of paranoia going on here, thinking everyone is planning something sinister against you when in reality nothing is going on?
Yeah, and he did mention paranoia a few times. I had to clear the air/reassure him a number of weeks ago that no, something I had said in passing once had nothing to do with him and certainly wasn't a jab of any sort. And I was glad he brought it up though so I was aware that he was sensitive to stuff, I don't want anyone thinking I'm some kind of meanie, and assured him that while I might occasionally poke at someone just in fun, not in any bad way, I'd be sure to try to avoid it with him.

I've got some sympathy for him (as well as those who were targeted, so no sides being taken here), but he's really got to get some of that under control for his own good.

[Leo656]

With regards to me instigating anything: Hilarious. I'm the one who talked him OUT of posting explosive things more than anyone. Agreeing with an observation about someone else's pattern of behavior is not "encouraging". We've had disagreements with a lot of the same people. Fair enough. Plenty of "I been there, man, and I hear ya." Fine. That doesn't change the fact that there were countless days when I flat-out begged the guy to let sh*t be and walk away until he cooled down, which he almost always did. Believe what you want.

That particular conversation could easily have been private and probably should have been, fair enough, but he hit me on my "wall" first and my PM box is clogged so we kept doing it that way. I was trying to get a chuckle out of the guy when he was angry, and it worked, because he calmed down and went to bed or whatever instead of blowing up (at that moment in time) which was his original plan. Sooooorrryy. For some reason he always "got" when I was being tongue-in-cheek and it seemed to help.

Me specifically, and repeatedly saying, "DON'T say things like what you're telling me you want to say, it's what they want, and it's only going to get you in trouble," is the exact opposite of "encouraging". Like literally the exact opposite. I'm not gonna post PMs but don't assume you know the entirety of what people talk about based on like, three sentences.

Also? At LEAST one of us was drunk when that specific convo happened. Feel free to guess which one. Shocking, I know.

I also did my best to debunk his "conspiracy theories" and point out where some folks' "ribs" were being taken too seriously. For example, To My Knowledge I've never had any beef with plas, or if I did it must've passed quickly because I don't recall it. Were Dave here, he'd tell you his own self how often I'd reply to him with, "Well, she doesn't really come off that way to me, I mean granted I don't know her that well but I think you may be misreading or imagining some of it."

Literally ANY issues he had with anyone were of his own making. Not mine. I have had problems with *some* of the same people, not Most of them. And all I did yesterday was go to work. And all I ever did *Before* that was tell him to relax. Ain't NO blood on my hands whatsoever this time.

See, I kinda get why he snaps at people, because it's like how I try and stay out of things, or at least semi-neutral on things, and I get brought into it anyways. Literally wasn't even here, yet I'm the "Mastermind". Maaaan, I *wish* my powers of suggestion were that strong. Some'a you cats give me way too much credit.

[Katie]

...but you said earlier that you weren't around at all yesterday. Clearly with that conversation you were and were feeding his anger. Instead of sort of privately encouraging him, why not just help him figure out ways to ignore Peanut and whoever else he disliked? Why join in on the hate party?

[DarthRaphael]

I don't think it is important to analyze why he posted the things he did, but to learn how we all should interact with each other in a virtual social setting. After all, the basis for all of us being here and what unites us is our love / interest in TMNT. For all the reasons already discussed, is why some forums choose to not have a general discussion area.

[CaliperCat]

...but you said earlier that you weren't around at all yesterday. Clearly with that conversation you were and were feeding his anger. Instead of sort of privately encouraging him, why not just help him figure out ways to ignore Peanut and whoever else he disliked? Why join in on the hate party?

I think what Leo's saying is that there had been times previously where Davetello almost reached the same point, and he talked him out of it. All of those examples were from sometime in the past, not yesterday. Yesterday Leo was not around at all, so no such conversations took place.

I don't really see how agreeing with someone about certain people makes that person an instigator of anything. I've got friends who share mutual dislike of certain people with me (not here), and we'll rant about those people occasionally to one another. That does more to calm us down than it does to rile us up, because we can blow off steam in a safe setting where no one else is getting hurt, and then we can deal with said annoying people in a civil manner. But if one or the other of us can't, and crosses a line, that doesn't make it the other person's fault. In the end, we're all pretty much responsible for ourselves.

[Bry]

Please don't misdesignate my class: I'm a social justice cleric, not warrior.

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But anyway - clearly the dude needs some help dealing with his emotions/anger, and I hope he gets it. There's no shame in that, and I've had to seek some out myself in my worst moments. It doesn't help anything to start attacking each other for whatever "roles" people think others played in it now that he's gone - ultimately he's responsible for his own actions, right?

...but you said earlier that you weren't around at all yesterday. Clearly with that conversation you were and were feeding his anger. Instead of sort of privately encouraging him, why not just help him figure out ways to ignore Peanut and whoever else he disliked? Why join in on the hate party?

Maybe not my place here, but I can say from experience that having someone to vent to in private (or at least away from the main "room") can help a lot. I've avoided blowing up in public more than once because I had people I could vent to, get it out of my system and regain some perspective.

Doesn't work for everyone, unfortunately. Which I think we've seen proof of.

[Leo656]

If "wee hours of the morning" is yesterday, you're technically correct. Frankly I forgot when it was, because once more, I wasn't entirely "with it" and entirely forgot that conversation even happened until you brought it up. When I'm here, I'm here. When I'm not, I'm someplace else. So okay then, it WAS "yesterday". To my recollection it was before that. Seeing it now, my recollection is spotty, clearly. Oops. I was drunk, it happens.

And I wasn't "feeding" his anger. Fact? He made an observation about someone's posting style and I happened to generally agree with it based on my own history/observation. I did NOT agree that he needed to make a gigantic case over it in public. At all. Me saying, "Yeah, Canadians" is clearly a nonsense statement that is also clearly me trying to get him off of the rant and onto something else.

I told him MANY times to just ignore people. ONE TIME I instead say something absurd because I know it's going to make him chuckle, and suddenly that erases or overshadows everything else? I don't see it that way. The guy thought it was funny, and he didn't blow up at that moment. That was the beginning and end of my "mission". I wish the guy was here to tell you himself that he blew up because he felt like it and not because "I told him to" or "encouraged" it. Those things Never happened.

All I ever genuinely "encouraged" him to do was read his posts at least three times before posting them and remove anything that could get him arrested, assaulted or sued if he said it on the streets before he hits "Submit". Clearly, he lost sight of the message.

And I genuinely don't hate anyone here. I'm well aware there are plenty who hate me but that's their decision, irreversible, never to be changed, so I don't fret over it. I don't spend a second of my time worrying about things that can't and won't ever change. I'm never going to go out of my way to antagonize them, or anyone, but I'm not going to put my hand out, either. I know better by this point.

[Katie]

I get venting, but where I come from venting consists of the angry party stating their frustrations and the listener saying something soothing in return. Ie "sorry you feel that way" or "you could always do such and such to try and work it out"

What I see is more commiseration, which validates the anger for him. I hardly see conversation that includes stuff like congratulations on baiting homophobes, or whatever it was to be benign venting.

Dave took it to a very bad level but in his mind he was justified because he received "so many PM's" agreeing with him. He said that more than once. I don't get how commiserating does any good in calming anything. If anything it helps him validate his position because his friend feels the same way.

Maybe you weren't the only one, it's just that what you wrote with him was publicly viewable.

[IndigoErth]

Well if it counts for anything, at quick glance I don't see anything egging him on. Nothing there to provoke someone to go after people. Agreements over an incident or members is in most cases probably going to be harmless, sometimes people just need to be heard out and felt like they're understood. You know, as a common example, similarly to how most might simply agree with a friend that a guy/girl they were seeing, who they are now mad at, is a [insert suitable explicative], even if you haven't personally had issue with them or might not even have met them. Wouldn't make you libel for it if they turned around and set fire to the person's house though. lol

[Candy Kappa]

Reading the conversation like a creepy stalker, I don't see it either.

[Turo602]

Guys, we can't blame Leo for anything. I honestly don't see how anything he said was to encourage Dave to keep posting his garbage. Yeah, he was in agreement with him but also tried making light of the situation. Even then, Davetello is not a child and understands the repercussions of the kind of content he posts. No one is to blame but Dave.

[snake]

He was a d*ck who thought using big words made him smarter then everyone else.


He was cool in the turtles threads though.

[Leo656]

Yeah, see, Turo gets it, and Turo F'n hates me! :lol: (Possibly? I can never keep it all straight! :lol:)

I'll take fair heat for it being better served in private, but I didn't start the conversation. ((Shrug)) At the time I was just glad it wasn't clogging up my inbox but looking back that's clearly sloppy on all sides. I was having a laugh with my buddy and trying to cheer him up, not hoping it instigated a whole mess of anger, bitterness, and hurt feelings down the line. Short-sighted, sure, absolutely.

Truth? I for some reason didn't think people who disliked the guy would go on his "wall" or whatever and thus would never see it to be upset by it and didn't think what was said was "bad" enough to be hidden in the first place. I'unno.

Snake: Kinda harsh, bro, Dave always spoke very highly of you, for whatever it's worth. Just sayin'. I actually think you were one of his favorites.

[Peanut]

So, I think this thread should be locked and/or deleted entirely first of all. It's upsetting sh*t went down the way it did and I get people may need to discuss things for their own reasons, but I don't think this conversation is going to get any of us anywhere.

That said - I've tried my absolute best to stay out of this entire thing, which for the record I was watching Gamera and drinking last night while the majority of this sh*t went down, but this...

Literally ANY issues he had with anyone were of his own making.

...is patently f*cking untrue.

I had a single conversation with Davetello before his rock-hard hatred of me kicked in and that conversation consisted entirely of me saying I liked something and him recommending me something else to compliment said thing I liked. That was it! That was the extent of our contact.

Suddenly he absolutely loathes me and I'm being bombarded by him with threats and insults and claims that I've drive one of his suicidal friends to the bitter edge. That didn't just come from nowhere and the one person I know I upset (Netkeeper), entirely in my own ignorance, I contacted and spoke to directly, because as someone who has suffered for the way my brain works I felt absolutely awful in having done that damage, however large or small it might have been.

Dave directly attacked me over you on multiple occasions. It was the thing he kept bringing up to me in the multiple attacks I ignored from him. He would also make constant references to my "past" and things of the sort, despite the fact that I've been chill as sh*t since long before he was around with everyone except CyberCubed, who I now kind of love in an insane way. I have absolutely gone out of my way to mend fences and apologize to people I feel I've been unfair to over the years and I've also pretty much stuck to my own little world in the VG for a really long time.

And I'm not even here saying you were some kind of "mastermind" behind his sudden and unprovoked attacks, but you're literally the only thing he ever attacked me over, aside from this perceived notion I dislike debate and/or conversation with any "depth" to it, which again, is something you've complained to him about in public.

I'm not blaming you for his actions, because they are his actions and his alone, but you have to get where I'm coming from on this sh*t. You and I are pretty much exactly the opposite of each other in a vast majority of ways, we could never get along, but for the most part we ignore each other. Jabs here and there is all good, because we're f*cking human beings and like you said sometimes you drink a bit and sh*t just comes out, but to be attacked so viciously by someone I had never had a real conversation with? Someone who has seemingly been here for 4+ years and never had an issue with me? I don't know. That doesn't quite seem right.

And again, for the record and the absolute last damn time - I have never and will never hate you. We are totally incompatible personalities and to be honest I've enjoyed the jabs we've thrown for over a f*cking decade more than I care to admit. The fact that you find it totally alright to down me so openly and harshly in public is a f*cking downer.

[snake]

Yeah, see, Turo gets it, and Turo F'n hates me! :lol: (Possibly? I can never keep it all straight! :lol:)

I'll take fair heat for it being better served in private, but I didn't start the conversation. ((Shrug)) At the time I was just glad it wasn't clogging up my inbox but looking back that's clearly sloppy on all sides. I was having a laugh with my buddy and trying to cheer him up, not hoping it instigated a whole mess of anger, bitterness, and hurt feelings down the line. Short-sighted, sure, absolutely.

Truth? I for some reason didn't think people who disliked the guy would go on his "wall" or whatever and thus would never see it to be upset by it and didn't think what was said was "bad" enough to be hidden in the first place. I'unno.

Snake: Kinda harsh, bro, Dave always spoke very highly of you, for whatever it's worth. Just sayin'. I actually think you were one of his favorites.

I know, and he was fun before he became paranoid. I just didn't want to say anything to him. Like I said before, before he argues, he's cool, but once you say something to him he'll rip you apart.

[Cure]

I know, and he was fun before he became paranoid. I just didn't want to say anything to him. Like I said before, before he argues, he's cool, but once you say something to him he'll rip you apart.

Don't worry about it. You saw through his weird "academia" bullsh*t.

[pennydreadful]

I don't think it is important to analyze why he posted the things he did, but to learn how we all should interact with each other in a virtual social setting. After all, the basis for all of us being here and what unites us is our love / interest in TMNT. For all the reasons already discussed, is why some forums choose to not have a general discussion area.

Well-said.

Look, this thread seems to have just turned into muck-raking; perhaps I'm no better than some of the posts here given that I'm now posting. On the other hand, maybe it's best to clear the air. Might as well get some good out of the whole sorry affair. (And I should clarify, I'm not taking sides - that's not something that I have any interest in).

It seems to me that, for reasons I am not aware of and don't understand (given my newness here), there's some tension between certain groups. Specifically, Katie - you and your friends don't seem to get along with Leo and some of his friends. Maybe I'm on that list as well; I dunno - truthfully, I like to get on with everyone and have always had good intentions, but in the grand scheme of things... there's not much point getting upset over someone on the internet not liking me - it's really quite silly, actually. It's only as important as I let it be and realistically it doesn't matter. The sun's still going to come up tomorrow, regardless of what someone thinks of someone else. I'm not trying to dredge up old grudges; I only bring it up for the purpose of clearing the air. Most online hostilities seem to be borne from just not knowing people that well and misunderstanding one another because of that.

Regardless, as you've said - it seems easier to just ignore the folk you don't get along with, rather than getting worked up over words on a computer screen. Turning yesterday into a finger-pointing match (and I'm directing this at the room here) seems like it's just going to continue the drama. We come here for fun - there's really no need for things to be like this.

I think it's very sad that things went down the way they did yesterday, and it's a shame that it escalated to the degree that it did. I'd like to hope that some good can come of it and that moving forward, we can all make an effort to be more civil to one another and treat each other with respect. We all have people that we don't get on with or agree with, but that doesn't mean that we can't be polite or empathic.

I hope that this post hasn't offended or upset anyone as that wasn't my intent - as I said, I'd just like to see everyone get on. We don't all have to be bosom buddies, but we should at least be able to share the same online space.

[Turo602]

Yeah, see, Turo gets it, and Turo F'n hates me! :lol: (Possibly? I can never keep it all straight! :lol:)

On the contrary. I think you're an excellent poster and I tend to agree with most things you say despite our lack of interaction.

[Leo656]

Turo: Aww, thanks pal. I know we had a spat or two so I genuinely had no idea.

Peanut: I do. I do see where you're coming from. Trust me.

First, I'll agree with you a Lock is coming and deserved, but it seems like people needed to clear the air first, which is fair game.

I never asked for a Defender and I never asked for any more Heat from You, either, which is why I stayed out of that stuff 99% of the time, even though I saw it and was aware of it. I'd asked him NOT to do that, and apparently, he felt that strongly about it. Others do, too, I'm not going to lie. I get plenty of "Why does (X) hate you so much?" PMs, and I always reply to the effect of, "I only kind of know, but I don't really worry about it anymore because I'm pretty sure they've made up their minds." What I'm saying is, you DO come off to people at times like you're attacking me, or else I wouldn't hear about it as much as I do. Dave, for whatever reason, really didn't like it. I told him, many, MANY times, "I don't even reply most times, it's ten years running by this point, I'd let it go." He genuinely felt that you and other people were coming at me at times. Did he/they feel more strongly about it than I did? Yes. Very. But I'm not his handler, either. It's odd that he cared THAT much about me of all people. But he spoke to how he saw things. I couldn't tell him different. And I DID try.

And if you don't hate me, fair enough, that's Brand New to me. Because I DID send you a PM once upon a time (and others) saying "I don't know why you seem so angry at me sometimes but I'd like to forget it", and never got a holler back. The next time I saw my name mentioned by you it was something negative. What's a guy to think? It was years ago, who knows. Maybe you never got it for all I know. But if you don't hate me, well... you come off like it at times, at least, because I get PMs about it sometimes. Some of 'em, it's their first day here. So... maybe you just come off a little stronger than you mean to. I know I sure do sometimes. I know you only hop on quick sometimes, maybe in the moment you're not realizing how your words might be seen in the big scheme of things. I'unno.

I don't think we're incompatible personalities at all, in fact we have a lot of the same hobbies and interests and I just don't talk about it because it seems like it only for some reason makes you ornery. Like, I probably play more games than you if you can believe it. Lots of the same ones! I keep my opinions to myself (Shock: We agree more than we don't) because there were a few too many times I made a general statement and your first comment to anyone in days would be JUST popping in to tell me "that game sucks, I've noticed you have terrible taste in everything". What's a a guy to think, seriously? I think that about some people every day, I just try real hard not to, y'know, tell 'em so because I don't think it's necessary. :lol: Maybe you had a bad day. I'unno.

You honestly remind me of a ton of my friends in real life and I've always been frustrated that for some reason we didn't hit it off on here. Same with Those Other Guys. I could swap any of 'em in for people who are like my family. What I resent the most is 1. Implications from you, at times, that I'm not honest or sincere, when I always am (except where it's obvious I'm kidding), and 2. Accusations I'm playing an "internet persona". Fact is, I'm just the same guy everywhere (and I'd never recommend anyone else be This Guy). That, is one thing I think that's caused us serious problems. You've implied I'm somehow false. That really bothers me no matter who does it. BUT, we've never met, so it's forgivable, I guess. I'd just prefer to be taken at face value more. My words say what they mean. I go to... great lengths to illustrate that. :ohwell:

I don't think we're "incompatible", I think I probably just said something screwy forever ago that probably lingered in your mind and slanted your way of reading everything I've said since. Happens. If you wanna start from Now, though, that's music to my ears, brother. We can just go ahead and let that other sh*t lay. It ain't doing either of us any good. I'm down.

[Mew]

I just wanted to know what happened to Dave! What the Meow?

[Turo602]

I just wanted to know what happened to Dave! What the Meow?

Hey, if those two guys can hash out whatever problems they have, then at least something positive can come out of this thread.

Turo: Aww, thanks pal. I know we had a spat or two so I genuinely had no idea.

Wow, really? I don't recall.

[Leo656]

I swear it was soooo loooong ago. But for some reason I remember us having a tiff. A couple more likely. Don't ask what about, I got no clue. Waaaaay back.

I'm sure I've flipped sh*t on Kappa and plas, too. I'd put money on it. Can't recall the conversations, but for some reason I swear we had a couple rows over the years. Real brief, nothing epic. I don't dwell on that stuff. It's just sometimes, someone will say something about me, and I haven't said anything to or about 'em in forever, and I'm like, "What, again? Seriously?"

Some tiffs I remember very well and others not at all, depending on who it involved.

[Turo602]

I swear it was soooo loooong ago. But for some reason I remember us having a tiff. A couple more likely. Don't ask what about, I got no clue. Waaaaay back.

I'm sure I've flipped sh*t on Kappa and plas, too. I'd put money on it. Can't recall the conversations, but for some reason I swear we had a couple rows over the years. Real brief, nothing epic. I don't dwell on that stuff. It's just sometimes, someone will say something about me, and I haven't said anything to or about 'em in forever, and I'm like, "What, again? Seriously?"

Some tiffs I remember very well and others not at all, depending on who it involved.

Haha, well it was probably nothing serious. Looking back, I know I've said a lot of things I'm just embarrassed to read.

[Powder]

It would be awesome if, like a phoenix from the ashes, peace came out of this mayhem. It did kinda seem yesterday like Dave's hatred was uniting parties who would have otherwise never said a word to one another lest it be negative. It's a shame things happened as they did, nobody deserved to be attacked in that fashion, but if y'all/we can use it to our advantage & have stronger ties to one another as a result, that's really cool.

& since people are clearing the air & all that lovely stuff- If anyone thinks my strong personality was ever an attack, shoot me a PM, 'cause I'm not a grudge-holding guy & I'm not usually out to hurt anybody's feelings either. There's only one person on here who I'd like to leave me alone & they know who they are (so I'd appreciate they ignore this post :tlol:) but yeah man, peace & love.

[Mew]

Hey, if those two guys can hash out whatever problems they have, then at least something positive can come out of this thread.



Wow, really? I don't recall.
True! They should work it out and not be like Dave.

[The Stryker]

I will never ever ever like The Cure. Screw that guy. I hope his body explodes like a crash test dummy action figure.

[Cure]

Davetello and Mr.Meow: The Hallowed Uniters of the Drome.

I will never ever ever like The Cure. Screw that guy. I hope his body explodes like a crash test dummy action figure.

You can't possibly mean me because there's no "The" in this username, buddy.

[The Stryker]

You can't possibly mean me because there's no "The" in this username, buddy.

THAT'S IT.

Your teeth are getting kicked in as soon as I see you!

[Leo656]

Dave pulled some Ozymandias sh*t and realized everyone needed a common enemy for peace to ever truly exist. :lol:

Not gonna lie, though, he's my boy and I'm really sad this all went down. I mean I only known him a few months. But when he's "on" he's a sharp cat. Like really sharp. As in, "If he ever uses his powers for evil it could be really dangerous". :lol: I'll keep in touch with him through email but it won't be the saaaame. I only check my email like twice a year. Pokes about whether Irish or Scots are the True Celts and thinly-veiled accusations of homosexuality are always better Fresh.

Stryker: If I ever get a Christmas card from you, don't worry. I'll make sure someone notifies your family and tells them you've been captured and replicated by pod people. They'll probably never find you... I mean, killing you IS part of the whole "pod/replication" process... but at least they'll know for a fact it's an imposter. :lol:

[Mew]

Davetello and Mr.Meow: The Hallowed Uniters of the Drome.



You can't possibly mean me because there's no "The" in this username, buddy.
What's that supposed to mean?

[snake]

What's that supposed to mean?

You united everyone here. It's a good thing.

[Leo656]

Going to work, 99% sure this'll be locked up tight by the time I get back. So hey, anyways, maybe we'll laugh about all this one day soon.

[pennydreadful]

It would be awesome if, like a phoenix from the ashes, peace came out of this mayhem. It did kinda seem yesterday like Dave's hatred was uniting parties who would have otherwise never said a word to one another lest it be negative. It's a shame things happened as they did, nobody deserved to be attacked in that fashion, but if y'all/we can use it to our advantage & have stronger ties to one another as a result, that's really cool.

& since people are clearing the air & all that lovely stuff- If anyone thinks my strong personality was ever an attack, shoot me a PM, 'cause I'm not a grudge-holding guy & I'm not usually out to hurt anybody's feelings either. There's only one person on here who I'd like to leave me alone & they know who they are (so I'd appreciate they ignore this post :tlol:) but yeah man, peace & love.

Word - it would be really good if something positive came out of this.

And again, if I'm not somebody's cup of tea - that's cool. If something I say rubs someone the wrong way, please know that I'm approachable and not the type to hold a grudge. I've got strong opinions on some topics but I'm not a spiteful person and I don't need to have people agree with me in order to get on with them. And if I come off sounding like I'm taking a chop at someone, it's probably because I'm having a bad day so don't think I don't like you! Or if I say something in jest and it fails to deliver on a humorous level, it's probably just because I'm socially inept, not because I'm out to be an asshat. :lol:

FWIW, Dave always made an effort to ask how I was doing with my depression, and I appreciated that he took the time to listen even though he had no real reason to take an interest in me. Dave was out of line with the personal attacks, but he also had good traits. I think everybody has good and bad in them, and we should all try to look for the good in everyone.

Let's spread the lurve, y'all. :tlove:

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[Powder]

Shut up, Penny. Sheesh.

I am so totally joking, & I also hope you're not colorblind 'cause then you'll not see this, haha.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Cure: There used to be. Pretty sure he remembers it before you changed it. I know I do.


Wow. This is the first time I've been on in days, and I come in to find Dave gone?!! I'm shocked, though I guess I shouldn't be. I kind of wish I'd been here, as I might have been able to help talk him down. Like Leo, I've talked to him probably more than almost anyone, mostly through PM's or on the few occasions we've fallen on the same side of a debate- but like others, I've also enjoyed some of the discussions he's started, so I feel like I know him better than most. Just three days ago, before a temporary loss of net service forced me to take a mini-hiatus, I was talking to him almost right up until my net went out. Only called it a night because he went to bed, which I'm guessing was much needed.

If it's a permanent ban, I am sincerely sorry and will miss him. If it's only temporary, then I hope he'll come back with a better mind-set and realize that he has gone over the line a time too many.

Leo: It's obvious the only TRUE Celts are the Irish, LOL!! Speaking AS an Irish-blood, of course....

[Cure]

Cure: There used to be. Pretty sure he remembers it before you changed it. I know I do.

It was a joke between friends.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ah. I see. Y'know, sometimes your jokes fall a bit flat, dude. Just sayin..... :twink:

[Katie]

Just for the record since somehow I'm a leader of any kind in any group, im not. My only beef with Dave was him saying cure deserved to be in the hospital. Period.

And my postings were in defense of Dave actually. I think he never would have carried the arguments on so long if others had not been cheering him privately or otherwise. Most people won't.

I also apologize if I've ever offended anyone. The only person on this website that ever truly got under my skin was Hannah and that was years ago. I'm a direct, serious, and dry personality and I know that doesn't always translate well through words but I rarely mean any harm. This place has actually hardened me quite a bit over the years, making it all that much worse.

[Dirty Blond]

Just for the record since somehow I'm a leader of any kind in any group, im not. My only beef with Dave was him saying cure deserved to be in the hospital. Period.

And my postings were in defense of Dave actually. I think he never would have carried the arguments on so long if others had not been cheering him privately or otherwise. Most people won't.

I also apologize if I've ever offended anyone. The only person on this website that ever truly got under my skin was Hannah and that was years ago. I'm a direct, serious, and dry personality and I know that doesn't always translate well through words but I rarely mean any harm. This place has actually hardened me quite a bit over the years, making it all that much worse.

Davetello would have loved Hannah!

:tlol:

[Cure]

Ah. I see. Y'know, sometimes your jokes fall a bit flat, dude. Just sayin..... :twink:

OK. Next time I'll pepper in some :lol::lol::lol: and some LOL!!'s so people like you will know.

[Bry]

Man, this whole thread turned into one big love-in fast. :tlol:

Hey, while we're at it - sorry if I've ever come on too strong or ticked anyone off myself. Even if I didn't realize it. Especially if I didn't realize it. (Possibly particularly in the movie thread. BayTurtles was like war. It... changed people.)

I'm not exactly a constant presence or an institution like some here, but I've met some cool folks and I've had some great conversations, and it sucks when things get too hostile or on-edge. I've kept checking back in for 12 years now. It's a good place. And for the most part it's felt like most of youse guys can overlook differences in opinion or personality and get along pretty well, and keep a good sense of humour about it all. (Or at least manage to toughen up and deal with it without exploding or holding grudges, anyway?)

[B-Man]

I'm only just catching up properly now & the whole thing leaves a bad taste in the mouth. The Davetello Incident appeared to be years of pent-up feelings unleashed. If you're reading, Dave, which I bet you are, I'm one of the ones who liked you (which seems to be the majority) & am gonna miss your comments, dude. No-ones pissed me off here enough for me to relate to what you were feeling yesterday but I can imagine years of face-less names rubbing you the wrong way on a message board can build up (though that was some pretty insane sh*t you said lol). Proves the whole casual "ribbing" thing, which the more acerbic members here feel is so necessary, can be absorbed by some horribly over time. Christ, this feels like a eulogy. I'm sure he'll be back somewhere down the line. Either way, this should turn out positively for him as he gets to have a break & gain some perspective & for us as no-one here wants to see this happen again.

[IndigoErth]

Christ, this feels like a eulogy.
Oh good, I'm not the only one (about the thread). lol Glad it's not.


*hands out cookies*
*extra cookies for those attacked in that mess*
*sends one to Dave to wish him better days*

Now chill out, cheer up, chin up, and how 'bout dem Turtles. I've been accused elsewhere in the past of wanting to make it (what ever forum it was) a hug box, I'm not afraid to do it again!! :P

[MsMarvelDuckie]

OK. Next time I'll pepper in some :lol::lol::lol: and some LOL!!'s so people like you will know.


Soooo, basically anyone who's not "in" on your private jokes? Kk. Sounds fair enough.

(Side note- I'd KILL for an internet "app" or whatever that puts in a "humor font" or maybe a vocal reader that lets you hear posts in the person's actual voice- so whenever someone's trying to be funny or ironic/sarcastic, etc, you know for sure. T'would probably solve a LOT of the problems around here....)

[B-Man]

:tgrin: haha you're awesome IndigoErth. Gonna go actually have some cookies now since you've brought it up :lol:

MsMarvelDuckie, couldn't agree more.

[pennydreadful]

Shut up, Penny. Sheesh.

I am so totally joking, & I also hope you're not colorblind 'cause then you'll not see this, haha.

Fortunately, I'm not colorblind. :P

Just for the record since somehow I'm a leader of any kind in any group, im not. My only beef with Dave was him saying cure deserved to be in the hospital. Period.

And my postings were in defense of Dave actually. I think he never would have carried the arguments on so long if others had not been cheering him privately or otherwise. Most people won't.

I also apologize if I've ever offended anyone. The only person on this website that ever truly got under my skin was Hannah and that was years ago. I'm a direct, serious, and dry personality and I know that doesn't always translate well through words but I rarely mean any harm. This place has actually hardened me quite a bit over the years, making it all that much worse.

Sorry if it came off sounding like I was inferring that you were some sort of leader - not my intent - I just meant in in terms of "you and some other people who you are friends with", not in like a "you and your winged monkeys whose strings you pull because you are an archfiend" way. :ohwell: Gah, I don't even know how to express it clearly now; anyway, it was just the way I put the sentence together - not my intent to offend and wasn't meant as a personal attack. And though Leo656 and I are chummy, I definitely don't think of him as my leader either. :lol:

Anyway, yeah - I think everyone should do their best to just put this behind us and let bygones be bygones. As it's been said before, it's easy to misinterpret things that people say online because we're not able to gauge facial expression, body language, tone of voice, things like that - and I think sometimes people say stuff that was innocent enough or meant in jest, but sometimes it comes off sounding mean or grumpy or whatever, and people then start thinking that there's a problem where there isn't one. (See previous posts under Appendix B: Misunderstandings).

I feel bad that Dave is obviously doing it tough re his mental health and I hope that he feels better soon.

I also have no idea who Hannah was but she sounds like she must have been a bit of a character! :lol:

[IndigoErth]

(Side note- I'd KILL for an internet "app" or whatever that puts in a "humor font" or maybe a vocal reader that lets you hear posts in the person's actual voice- so whenever someone's trying to be funny or ironic/sarcastic, etc, you know for sure. T'would probably solve a LOT of the problems around here....)
Someone hurry up and invent that! I'm rather 'addicted' to frequent use of smiles and 'lol' just so people hopefully don't take some stuff the wrong way. An app like that would be most welcome.

[AT-Man]

Someone hurry up and invent that! I'm rather 'addicted' to frequent use of smiles and 'lol' just so people hopefully don't take some stuff the wrong way. An app like that would be most welcome.

The jokes better be written in Comic Sans.

I, for one, think having Dave here was mostly a positive thing and I hope he's not permanently banned.

[Peanut]

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[DarkFell]

Good to see folks getting along in here.
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And whoah five pages of people being communicative towards each other, sharing a few feels, and even got a few folks here missing Dave. Anybody think that some parts of this thread might put a grin on his face?

[Darthknuxward]

I'm glad everyone's getting along here! But, I'm going to say piece:

I've not always been the best when comes to arguements over topics which I am passionate about. However, over the 5 months(doesn't feel that long ago) I've really only had on big arguement while I've been active. And we made peace before the thread was locked.

I read through every one of Dave's posts yesterday and wow... just wow. I feel like he had this on his chest for quite a while and it just got so bad that it came out in one big tidal wave of anger. But, hopefully he's doing better now.

[Machias Banshee]

This thread turned into something unexpectedly fantastic... let's end on a good note. :)


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