Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep7: "Eyes of the Chimera"

[Machias Banshee]

After another long hiatus, we're finally back to some new episodes! Aaaand it looks like we've got another horror-based monster this week.... At this point I'm pretty much waiting for Vison Quest. Have fun watching in the morning, we'll have a poll up after the airing. :)

[CowabungaMikey]

I'm stoked!

[Zulithe]

dang it I hate the new Sunday schedule, they don't go on iTunes early this way... hope they change back to any day other than Sunday

[ssjup81]

*Sighs* So, what time does the show air now? Wish they'd keep the time consistent. It's annoying.

[Aaronardo]

Was a little disappointed that we're not getting the Vision Quest ep this morning but, eh.

[JTH]

dang it I hate the new Sunday schedule, they don't go on iTunes early this way... hope they change back to any day other than Sunday

This was always when they went on early.

Last year, they just started doing it from Manhattan Project and on.

[Bitsy83]

This was always when they went on early.

Last year, they just started doing it from Manhattan Project and on.

Yeah, I was really hoping to download it before work! And I have to get up for the opening shift tomorrow, so it'll be even harder to watch it....unless I just upload it onto my phone and watch it on my lunch; that could work. Still, watching it on phones makes it sort of tedious. Guess I'll have to avoid Tumblr and this thread for the next 24 hours.

[TigerClaw]

And it begins. :)

[Vicky82]

Oh my god it's written by Greg Wiesman :D

[Amaranthus]

I'm going to have to avoid this thread now for the sake of spoilers.
*Sigh*

[Powder]

I'm going to have to avoid this thread now for the sake of spoilers.
*Sigh*

What would you expect there to be other than spoilers? Speculation happens as information is revealed, in the official info thread.

[snake]

Oh my god it's written by Greg Wiesman :D

Noticed that. He's so good.

[Amaranthus]

What would you expect there to be other than spoilers? Speculation happens as information is revealed, in the official info thread.

I never expected anything else than spoilers. I just expressed my sadness about having to avoid threads now.

[Bry]

Oh my god it's written by Greg Wiesman :D

:teek:

Well my excitement level just tripled. He's the best.

[TigerClaw]

It was a good episode, Even though it was another one of those mutant of the week ones, Next week's episode should be fun.

[snake]

It was a good episode. I really enjoyed seeing April and Leo interact. The chimera was cool too.

[Vicky82]

Well I couldn't get into the episode because it kept freezing so I jave to watch it again later when that other site uploads it later.

Can't wait for next weeks episode :D

[CyberCubed]

I liked the episode. Soaring through the sky was also a nice change of pace for the show.

[Powder]

Well, that was... another episode. Cannot wait for next week. Sick of filler.

[ObiWanFan4life]

First viewing thoughts :

- What a surprise, Continuity in between filler episodes.

- When did Leonardo become Mr. Glass from Unbreakable?

- Casey "Another Mutant? " Even the show realizes the mutant-of-the-week formula Is getting ridiculous.

- Congratulations, Greg Weisman, you've just given potential Leo and April Shippers fuel.

- We interrupt this episode to bring you "How to Train your Chimera".

- How did they survive that rockslide ?

Overall thoughts:

Really fun motw episode, but it's about time we get back to the story. 8/10

[IndigoErth]

Wow, serious points to whoever had spotted that bird, I can't believe it really was it. GOOD eye!

And I thought some other mutants were kinda gross...

Love the random Grinch mountain. lol


And guess I learned the actual pronunciation of that word...:trazz:

[pannoni1]

Guess what? Another random mutant that only hardcores will be able to remember after this series ends. But all things considered, it isn't too bad. A Chimera as you know is a mythological, multi-animal creature that often comes out of a mountain in a place called Lycia, and this isn't a bad take on that. We get the typical somebody is feeling funny, a random mutant appears out of nowhere, heroes get trapped, the leader must figure out what's wrong while assisting the affected ally, the other dudes need their help, the leader thinks of a brave idea to take a chance and ride the Chimera, makes a bold move underwater,drives it to the place of need by the others, and another Hail Mary rescue occurs while the sidekick gets cured of weird abilities. A fine episode if you haven't seen it as we get a little rooster continuity, but I'm still longing for what's going on in New York/Dimension X, as a cut scene really should be due. At least we get to see some use of the weapons here along with Casey making something out of his powers. I would have liked to see such as event to see what's happened to Splinter/The Foot/The Kraang after a break just to see where things stand. Seeing next weeks preview just looks to be a variation on the same "special ability" theme.

Overall: 7/10

[CyberCubed]

Honestly all these episodes are pretty good as stand-alone episodes, the problem is they're all back to back in a row. I'm willing to bet if these filler episodes were scattered across a season instead of back to back people would have loved each of them.

[aliena]

I actually liked this episode a lot. I love that Leo and April had a bonding episode for once(I promise not to ship them, at least until Karai's story is resolved (joking ;)). At least it wasn't Donnie. However, I did like how Donnie was with April in this episode. He was himself the entire time. He wasn't trying to be anything different.

It did have some continuation at least, if only it was the same thing with Leo's knee and April's powers again. I had a strange feeling that April would "heal" him in some way and then when he suddenly just stopped and said "Oh, I can stand", I was like What? Why is he suddenly okay out of nowhere?

Maybe it was all psychological and his knee is not even damaged anymore. Hopefully, they will dwell on that a little more in Leo's quest. I liked some of the lines, Raph saying he was glad Leo was the leader again, who would he have to complain about if he wasn't and Mikey's burned bum.

[Luckyday]

Honestly all these episodes are pretty good as stand-alone episodes, the problem is they're all back to back in a row. I'm willing to bet if these filler episodes were scattered across a season instead of back to back people would have loved each of them.

The only problem is that they would have to retconned a explanation on why they are out in the middle of the forest but I suppose they can just include a single line of dialogue "It was sure nice for Master Splinter to let us go camping." Knowing this show, we will probably be back to North Hampton once again but this time it won't be in the middle of a freak'n story arc. You can probably put like two of these episodes after a new episode of them camping and it wouldn't feel out of place.

Is anyone surprise that the guest writer is better at addressing the continuity then the permanent writers of the show?

I really like the idea of geyser instead of a regular volcano but I am not sure if they would be able to breath...ah who cares, I'm just glad that April didn't suddenly learn to possess the bird and gain a new power. Yes she did telekinesis but it was because of Kraang tech, not because she suddenly pull it out of her ass so yup I am not going to complain.

This was a genuinely good episode. It may be a type episode that you have seen before but the execution was solid.

Another thing...did anyone notice that Donnie was using a radio for his experiment? More fuel to my "April's telepathy is electromagnetic base" head canon. http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/emotawesomepm9.gif

[victory_angel]

Is anyone surprise that the guest writer is better at addressing the continuity then the permanent writers of the show?


The guest writer was the guy who created Gargoyles and he was very clear about continuity in that show.

In the seconded (cannon) season most of the episodes had a small clip montage telling you which episodes the story was gaining continuity from.

[Vicky82]

Really enjoyed the episode, seeing Greg Weisman name popped up totally shocked me, I never expected it and he never mentioned it on the Ask Greg Website but he did say he has some work coming up. I hope he writes more episodes and have a few Gargoyles references :D

Loved the interaction between Leo and April and all the bromance moments.

Anyone catch the foreshadowing the Turtle blimp moment when Mikey said we should make a big balloon. :lol:

[Luckyday]

The guest writer was the guy who created Gargoyles and he was very clear about continuity in that show.

In the seconded (cannon) season most of the episodes had a small clip montage telling you which episodes the story was gaining continuity from.

It just seems like the usual writers forget things but this guy (I am aware that he is an awesome guy in the cartoon industry) actual read past scripts and did his homework.

Although maybe the continuity was just Leo's injured leg.

[VaughnMichael]

Not a bad episode but really looking forward to next week.
All those human bones in the nest had me like :o twas a nice touch!
So it seems April is sort of an animal man (woman) character.
I'm going to be she will be able to control animals when she gets it all figured out and this may really come into play in helping the guys out from stopping animal mutants in future episodes.

[IndigoErth]

Anyone catch the foreshadowing the Turtle blimp moment when Mikey said we should make a big balloon. :lol:
Yup! :D


Glad to get a decent Leo-April episode, nice to see them interact a bit more rather than just co-existing in the same room.

Agree the "oh I can stand now!" moment is a bit...ohhhkay... You dreaming of meteors again? lol

Oh, and then when April is reacting to the thoughts of that monster and basically wanted to eat Leo. Lil' awkward there. :teek: :lol: Seriously, April, no means no.

[TigerClaw]

Mikey scrapping his butt on the ground, when part of it touched that boiling water, and calling it his tushy.

[Vicky82]

Mikey scrapping his butt on the ground, when part of it touched that boiling water, and calling it his tushy.

That was cute , I was like aww poor Mikey he burnt his bum :lol:

I laughed when they said they could become turtle soup :lol:

Splinter got a cameo in this episode

https://31.media.tumblr.com/c556c6df9c872198f082d20adc32d551/tumblr_inline_ni10xdvd0M1sdcr50.png

[Cure]

Is Talbit somebody or something in TMNT? Sounded like the name of the Mountain was Talbit or something.

Anyway, OK episode.

[Amaranthus]

Is Talbit somebody or something in TMNT? Sounded like the name of the Mountain was Talbit or something.

Anyway, OK episode.

Eric Talbot was a comic book artist who drew for the Mirage TMNT series.

[Cure]

Well, there you go.

[Autbot_Benz]

I will say that episode was the best of the horror filler episodes since the Punk Frogs. Bring on the Vision Quest next weekend.

[victory_angel]

I know ninja's have endurance, but Casey at least be passing out from that level of heat.

[Xav]

Anyone else realize the Turtles are still paying for the events of "Buried Secrets"?

[Huzzah]

Am I the only one slightly disturbed by the sheer number of human skeletons in the nest, and what the implications of those are. In a short period of time, an inordinate amount of people have been devoured by this creature, and the population of Northampton can't be that large. That's got to be a cause of concern in the region...

[kelligrafie]

Mikey scrapping his butt on the ground, when part of it touched that boiling water, and calling it his tushy.

Yeah this show has a thing for butts.

[CyberCubed]

The human skeletons was a nice touch because it would fly over the heads of children yet older fans see the dark implications there.

[evan2000]

Loved this episode! This part was the best!

http://i.imgur.com/PZJ1FVZ.gif

[Amaranthus]

Loved this episode! This part was the best!

http://i.imgur.com/PZJ1FVZ.gif

The fanfic basically writes itself.

[OrangeNinja1987]

Great episode overall. A lot of the Leonardo/April interaction was great, because I can only remember so many times when they've exchanged more than one line of dialogue in a scene.
I think the reason Leo realized he could stand was that he was so dependent on his crutch and down on himself already that his injury had become more psychological than physical. He's been healing for the whole season and he just had to realize that now, even though he occasionally hurt, he didn't need the crutch.
Loved Raph and Casey's exchange about getting frequently kidnapped by mutants. I also saw a lot of Casey and Raph dynamic in this episode, and I'm glad because Casey usually talks to Donnie more.
Basically, the only part of this episode I didn't like was the little bit where Donnie is on one of the cards but April guesses it's a worm, so Donnie's head turns into a worm (?!). Kind of an off-putting image. I was like "Oohh-kay..."

[Xiewin]

This was the best of season 3, I really enjoyed this episode.

[Foombamaroom]

Probably the second best episode of the season. I loved how the show acknowledged that there are so many mutants. I'd rank the episodes...
1. Within the Woods.
2. Eyes of the Chimera
3. In Dreams
4. Buried Secrets
5. The Croaking
6. Race with the Demon
7. A Foot Too Big.

[Foombamaroom]

Also, this episode helped me get used to Seth's voice.

[Vicky82]

IGN review up

7.7 :(

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/01/11/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-eyes-of-the-chimera-review

[evan2000]

Also, this episode helped me get used to Seth's voice.

His voice got a tad too deep when he yelled "NO" right after Casey said "you can still spar with us" that I thought it was Master Splinter! Then I realize it was just Leo who said it, and not a surprise visit by Master Splinter :tlol:

Other than that I've come to accept that Leo's new voice is pretty much permanent by now.

[Foombamaroom]

His voice got a tad too deep when he yelled "NO" right after Casey said "you can still spar with us" that I thought it was Master Splinter! Then I realize it was just Leo who said it, and not a surprise visit by Master Splinter :tlol:

Other than that I've come to accept that Leo's new voice is pretty much permanent by now.

I don't like how his voice does that, either. Like, on a regular basis, it doesn't sound bad. But I miss Jason: his voice will always be the epitome of 2012 Leo's voice to me. Dominic was pretty good, too.

[TigerClaw]

Yeah this show has a thing for butts.
Of course, The show has an obsession with showing April's butt.

[Vicky82]

When the Chimera freed himself from the rubble, roaring and stone debris flying about, that was a reference to Gargoyles. :D

[ShelleyQuick]

Finally got to see the episode. It was fun, I think it's one my favorites so far this season. Kind of embarrassing when I realized I've been pronouncing chimera wrong for a week, but, ahh well. I can't wait for the Spirit Quest.

[BubblyShell22]

I loved this episode but that's no surprise as I'm a huge Leo fan. I agree that his whole deal with his knee was definitely more psychological than physical. Yeah, it would twinge a bit, but he made more out of it than he should have and he should have just calmed down. I agree that his being able to stand was a bit quick, but it was good to see him getting back to himself. Loved the look he got after April said, "Let's go rescue the guys." Yeah, the moment where April wanted to eat him was definitely awkward for sure, but it was funny as was Mikey getting burnt by the water. The part where Leo and April are riding the chimera was the best and I loved the music with it, too. Overall, an awesome episode, and it looks like we haven't seen the last of the chimera.

Oh, and don't worry because I've always missed pronounced it. I've always pronounced it as the way it's spelled like chim-err-ah. Guess I was wrong. Bring on the Vision Quests!

[Vicky82]

I loved this episode but that's no surprise as I'm a huge Leo fan. I agree that his whole deal with his knee was definitely more psychological than physical. Yeah, it would twinge a bit, but he made more out of it than he should have and he should have just calmed down. I agree that his being able to stand was a bit quick, but it was good to see him getting back to himself. Loved the look he got after April said, "Let's go rescue the guys." Yeah, the moment where April wanted to eat him was definitely awkward for sure, but it was funny as was Mikey getting burnt by the water. The part where Leo and April are riding the chimera was the best and I loved the music with it, too. Overall, an awesome episode, and it looks like we haven't seen the last of the chimera.

Oh, and don't worry because I've always missed pronounced it. I've always pronounced it as the way it's spelled like chim-err-ah. Guess I was wrong. Bring on the Vision Quests!

Yeah the music was beautiful durring the flight scene, that scene also reminded me of the movie How to Train your Dragon.

[NinjaPug]

This was probably my favorite episode of the season so far. None of these episodes have really done much for me though as these stories don't really encompass what Northampton has always been for the Turtles. Next week looks promising though.

[evan2000]

Kind of embarrassing when I realized I've been pronouncing chimera wrong for a week

Oh, and don't worry because I've always missed pronounced it. I've always pronounced it as the way it's spelled like chim-err-ah. Guess I was wrong.

I've been pronouncing it wrong for years! I used to assume its pronunciation is like chimpanzee, how wrong I was :tconfuse:

[neatoman]

So anyone else getting tired cliffhangers that likely won't be followed up upon? I swear if the Chimera returns (not as an hallucination or a quick cameo) I will be really surprised.

[Vicky82]

I was watching the episode again and noticed that Mikey knows about Mythology but he couldn't remember the name, Chimera. I thought that was cute.

[IndigoErth]

Splinter got a cameo in this episode

https://31.media.tumblr.com/c556c6df9c872198f082d20adc32d551/tumblr_inline_ni10xdvd0M1sdcr50.png
Awesome, didn't catch that. Well good, at least it's a suggestion that they do think about him while the episodes have largely ignored the past events.

Oh, and don't worry because I've always missed pronounced it. I've always pronounced it as the way it's spelled like chim-err-ah.
Sounds similar to mine, I've been putting a 'shim' on it for years. (Anyone saying it wrong for only a week is nothing to be ashamed of. lol) I like the wrong version though, it's a prettier word. :lol:


Those skeletons... If the area was only sparsely populated with people, it's even more-so now. I could see visiting fishermen being common target though.

[TigerClaw]

I was watching the episode again and noticed that Mikey knows about Mythology but he couldn't remember the name, Chimera. I thought that was cute.
I believe he called it the Turducken
http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Turducken

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/tmnt/images/5/57/Splash-tmnt20150111-600x375.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150108174959

[TigerClaw]

Here is IGN's review of the episode, They gave it a 7.7
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/01/11/teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-eyes-of-the-chimera-review

[Donnieangelo]

Loved this episode! This part was the best!

http://i.imgur.com/PZJ1FVZ.gif
Uh, oh! APRIL IS NOW PSYCHOTIC! :lol:

[Ninjinister]

How is chimera pronounced in the show? It should be "kai-mair-uh" or "kim-air-uh"

[Cure]

How is chimera pronounced in the show? It should be "kai-mair-uh" or "kim-air-uh"

The first way. AKA the right way.

[TigerClaw]

How is chimera pronounced in the show? It should be "kai-mair-uh" or "kim-air-uh"
I think its probably as kai-meer-ra

[JH24]

It was another "mutant of the week" episode, but in contrast with the others I fully enjoyed this one. Cleverly and well written. In a subtle and good way it felt different from the other episodes.

Loved the many character interactions. From Casey, Raph and Leo at the start, to Raph and the others trying to escape, to Leo and April trying to save the others, this episode was full of it. And I enjoyed every moment.


Characters were well written too, with lines and jokes that actually fit them without being annoying. Really liked this take on Mikey. And it seems there's still a bit of rivalry between Casey and Donnie, which will likely remain between them.

My favorite episode so far this season. It actually re-ignited my interest for this series again. Looking forward to the next episodes.


EDIT: I think I'm finally getting used to Seth's voice for Leo. I enjoyed his voice in this episode.

[Vicky82]

It was another "mutant of the week" episode, but in contrast with the others I fully enjoyed this one. Cleverly and well written. In a subtle and good way it felt different from the other episodes.

Loved the many character interactions, from Casey, Raph and Leo at the start, to Raph and the others trying to escape, to Leo and April trying to save the others, this episode was full of it. And I enjoyed every moment.


Characters were well written too, with lines and jokes that actually fit them without being annoying. Really liked this take on Mikey. And it seems there's still a bit of rivalry between Casey and Donnie, which will likely remain between them.

My favorite episode so far this season. It actually re-ignited my interest for this series again. Looking forward to the next episodes.

It was written by Greg Weisman, creator of Gargoyles that's why it was so well written. I hope he writes more episodes. :D

[IndigoErth]

Loved this episode! This part was the best!

http://i.imgur.com/PZJ1FVZ.gif
Completely love Leo's expression/reaction. :lol:

[Bitsy83]

YEEEES!!! Good news, everyone! (yes, I said it in the Dr. Farnsworth voice) I was able to get to work early today and got to the break room JUST as the credits for Spongebob were rolling and didn't miss a minute. So I don't have to worry about avoiding Tumblr or this forum. :lol:

Well, this was a pretty great episode, to be honest. When I read the synopsis about how April had to overcome an obstacle, I thought it'd be a cold or something lame like that. But having her be semi-blind/psychically attached to the chimera was not only clever, but helpful to the plot. Plus, how weird would it be if you were able to do that. You're not technically possessing another body since you're still in your physical body, but it's almost like an out-of-body experience!

Although the chimera (Yeah, I've been saying it wrong, too) is another MotW, it's a pretty creative one. In fact, ALL the MotWs have been pretty clever in design. That's the only thing keeping me from hating them. I love how they made the talons be worm segments and the wings like fish fins. I've always been a sucker for detailed designs in stuff like this.

Leo and April. I love how April was showing a lot of tough love to Leo, even though you know she still thought highly of him. And this really gave Seth Green a chance to perform better as Leo aside from the weak, helpless Leo from the beginning of the season. And when they hugged, I could almost hear THOUSANDS of shippers squeeing their heads off...

All in all, I think this season gets better and better with each passing episode. I can't wait to see what The Spirit Quest will give us and I'm curious as to whether the bad guys from the city are actually THERE or it's part of some weird....vision.

Plus, I can't help but wonder why Donnie is paired off with Tigerclaw. I really thought that Tigerclaw would go against Leo.

[Jester]

I liked it. Good action, good story, good character bits all around.

[Jephael]

Really enjoyed this episode. I was kind of expecting a Ghostbusters reference during the part with the flashcards because it reminded me of that scene with Venkman who was doing the same thing with that geeky dude and the pretty co-ed.

[LeoRaph]

For a Mutant of The Week Episode, this one was done really well and probably is the best of the season so far for me. Seth Green did a great Job, you could hear all the inflections in his voice and his vulnerability as Leo, his voice was deep in the dramatic moments but a higher Calmer 'Leo' voice when normal. I think he finally has Leo and I look forward to seeing where the writers take him and how he plays it.

There was some nice character development for Raph as well, through out Season 3 he has become the unconscious leader of the team and has showed another softer side to him in almost every episode whilst still being 'Raph' if/when he becomes dark Raph it makes it all the more heart breaking. I have to say the little tongue in cheek of Raph commenting on a mutant of the week joke was a nice touch :twink:

This episode just had such a nice balance of Comedy, Tension, Vulnerability and even a little darkness (human skeletons a little 2K3ish guys :twink:) the fact that Greg Weisman from Gargoyles was a guest writer on this shows what he could do with the series if given the chance.

Yeah, I was happy with this one, it was an excellent 'final' to the mutant of the week episodes and a great 'transition episode' for Leo to get into the right frame of mind for the Spirit Quests. Can't wait to see more :tgrin:

[CyberCubed]

I think they've exhausted just about every mutant of the week type monster mutant that they possibly can. Especially if you count the ones in Seasons 1-2 where they did a Loch Ness homage, Aliens homage, a ghost, the Pizzaface ep were zombies, the Parascita wasps, etc.

[Jephael]

I think they've exhausted just about every mutant of the week type monster mutant that they possibly can. Especially if you count the ones in Seasons 1-2 where they did a Loch Ness homage, Aliens homage, a ghost, the Pizzaface ep were zombies, the Parascita wasps, etc.

You forgot plants. Infact Snakeweed was the very first mutant monster they had to face and he was a plant. I'm there's something the writers haven't thought of yet. I'm sure there's a good chance we'll see an ice monster, or some winter themed mutant at some point.

[BabyTurtles]

I think they've exhausted just about every mutant of the week type monster mutant that they possibly can. Especially if you count the ones in Seasons 1-2 where they did a Loch Ness homage, Aliens homage, a ghost, the Pizzaface ep were zombies, the Parascita wasps, etc.

Which means they will go back to reuse some of the mutants later.

They weren't kept alive for nothing I guess....

[TigerClaw]

Which means they will go back to reuse some of the mutants later.

They weren't kept alive for nothing I guess....
I just hope they go back to more humanoid mutants, and I know where getting some with Bebop and Rocksteady, and Mondo Gecko later on during the season.

[CyberCubed]

Even Rahzar is based on a werewolf. Snakeweed was a plant monster who absorbs humans, Mutagen Man is literally a freak of nature. Cockroach Terminator was literally a bug terminator. We had an evil robot schoolteacher, etc.

There aren't many "animal" mutants aside from Tiger Claw, Bebop/Rocksteady, Fishface and Baxter.

[drgon78]

Great episode, love the Leo/April interaction, Raph and Casey being buds, the card part, and April's blind/psychic link thing.

[Ninturtle]

Probably the second best episode of the season. I loved how the show acknowledged that there are so many mutants. I'd rank the episodes...
1. Within the Woods.
2. Eyes of the Chimera
3. In Dreams
4. Buried Secrets
5. The Croaking
6. Race with the Demon
7. A Foot Too Big.

for me it would be
1within the woods
2the croaking
3dream bevers or in dreams
4buried secrets
5eyes of the chimera
6race with the demon
7a foot too big ( I really dislike this episode one of my least favorite in the series)

[TrickOrTreater]

That was a hilarious episode.

Can't wait for the next one.

[TigerClaw]

Even Rahzar is based on a werewolf. Snakeweed was a plant monster who absorbs humans, Mutagen Man is literally a freak of nature. Cockroach Terminator was literally a bug terminator. We had an evil robot schoolteacher, etc.

There aren't many "animal" mutants aside from Tiger Claw, Bebop/Rocksteady, Fishface and Baxter.
Also the Punk Frogs, And sometime later this season, We will get to see Mondo Gecko.

[ssjup81]

This is seriously annoying. Ep still isn't up anyplace. I can't use iTunes, I refuse to pay for Hulu Plus (as I already have a Netflix subscription), I can't use Nickelodeon's site because you need a cable service provider or whatever that nonsense is, and Amazon still only has up to ep 6.

No love for those of us who can only watch it online. :(

[Donatello19]

Well, that was... another episode. Cannot wait for next week. Sick of filler.

My thoughts exactly.

[Jester]

Really enjoyed this episode. I was kind of expecting a Ghostbusters reference during the part with the flashcards because it reminded me of that scene with Venkman who was doing the same thing with that geeky dude and the pretty co-ed.
Wait....that wasn't?

[TrickOrTreater]

Wait....that wasn't?

It sort of pretty much was, but the backs of the cards were different.

That's basically the only thing different about it.

Scientist testing the psychic ability of girl he likes with cards with images on them, she gets them wrong.

GOD I love this show. It's catering to me in ways I never could have imaged.

Feels good man.

[CaliperCat]

Jeeze, Mikey, way to be a jinx! :lol:

I really, really liked this episode, and it's got to be one of my favorites in the series. It's probably one of the ones that's made me laugh the hardest- poor Donnie's face when April told him she was picturing a worm. :lol: I'll never be able to hear about turducken's again without snickering!

Leo's knee suddenly healing kind of bugged me as well, but other than the quickness with which it happened (which I supposed they had to do if they didn't want to address it in the Spirit Quest episode), but the psychological aspect makes a lot of sense. Leo did say later that he wasn't going to let pain stop him, which implies that he was still feeling some physical wackiness in his knee. The mental frustration that appeared during the training session had probably been building for a while, and finally just bottled over. Leo has doubts about his leadership ability even when he's not injured, so that was definitely in character for him. He knee may be something that always bothers him a little bit, but he's probably not going to think about it so much.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the first episode where we've seen Leo actually stab something that wasn't a robot. That, and the obviously human skeletons in the chimera's nest added a lot to the show for me. I love the series to death, but it's nice to have an episode where stuff like that wasn't coddled as much as it had been.

[Klunk1234]

This another episode in Northampton, but this was a good one. Leo started to have doubts of being leader of the group and thinks that his knee will never heal. But April encouraged him to be strong. So both of them went to a search for the others and suddenly Leo doesn't feel pain on his knee. I like that he and April have a closer interaction. When they ride the chimera, it remain me of the strange creatures of Avatar.

I hope they returned to New York soon.

[Donny's computer84]

The episode had good action, I like the way April was encouraging Leo to rescue the others. Still trying to get past Leo's voice. I like the classic audio system that Donnie used for his psychic device. :)

[ssjup81]

Okay, finally got to see the ep thanks to a couple of you here. Thanks. ^_^

I really liked this episode and, once again, we see April in a situation where her psychic powers go haywire because of something connected to the Kraang. We still, to my knowledge, have only one episode where April was in control of her power with something non-Kraang related and that was the Dream Beaver ep and even then, still felt like she was using Splinter's teachings to try concentrating and focusing while trying to connect with the four. I guess this is why I don't have a problem, so much, with her power. Seems it's always directly or indirectly linked with something Kraang-ish or Kraang related. So I ask, WHY do people get annoyed over her powers when there's clearly a pattern?

Anywho, liked the Ghostbusters reference with the cards. Oh and I loved how Mikey was going on about knowing of a creature similar to the Chimera in mythology but couldn't come up with a name and called it Turducken. I also liked Mikey's random balloon comment...so yep, guess that's alluding to the fact that they'll be doing something with the Turtle Blimp soon.

I'm glad that they finally went back to Leo's injury and I'm so not surprised that he was still having trouble with it. IMO, this is being portrayed very realistically. It's easy to physically heal, but the mind can be very strong. It's not as easy to mentally heal from a traumatic experience. Not comparable, but with my hospital visit, I was still highly paranoid after my release. Knowing I could've died given how serious my condition was still haunts me. It took a while to get over that. Same after the earthquake/tsunami incident. I was suffering from PTSD after that without realizing it. Even when I returned to the US, I was still showing signs of it. Logically I knew I was safe, but the irrational side of my mind didn't see it that way,if it makes sense.

Okay, enough of that. Other things I liked...oh yeah, everyone's interactions. I like how Raph and Casey were worried about Leo and how Mikey was bugging Donnie (typical siblings, eh?), and Leo and April's interactions were nice and like how she tried to eat him. I also like how April got Leo to try. He still has to mentally fight and I wonder if this'll apply in his spirit quest journey.

Oh! I loved how Raph was getting on the other three for not having their grappling hooks and Raph's pointing out that they're mutants and that it should be expected that others'll show up. Don't know about you guys, but that felt like something that could've been used in the OT. I could see OT Raph saying something like that for some reason...then again, quite a few things 2k12 Raph says (as well as this Donnie when in a sarcastic mood), I could see being delivered in an OT sense. lol

Welp, not sure what else I can say, but if I were to rank the episodes, it would be...

Chimera ep
Dream Beaver ep
Punk Frog ep
A Foot too Big (this ep still makes me laugh because of The Finger)
Mom-Thing
Within the Woods
Demon Car

I don't mind these eps and I still don't consider eps like the "Mom-thing" one as fillerf or the Car Demon ep, to an extent...but I still feel if all of these eps would've been aired together without the breaks, it wouldn't feel that way or as frustrating.

It's just like, imo, the Chimera Ant Arc for the Hunter x Hunter manga. I really like this series, but the manga-ka always takes long hiatuses. It's gotten to the point where fans call the series Hiatux x Hiatus. That arc felt like it dragged on and deemed by some people as their least favorite arc of the series because it went on for so long, but reading it through with all the chapters complete, it's not bad at all. I know by doing this, I didn't feel frustrated with it like I did when I was originally reading it with the hiatuses. He's in a hiatus currently. Nothing since August, despite having just come out of a hiatus June of last year. So he put out something from June - early August. Hiatus. Before June, he hadn't put out anything since 2012. He's lucky I'm a loyal fan and want to know how the story ends or else I wouldn't bother. ><

[CowabungaMikey]

Good episde. I was actually hoping they would go back to New York, but hey. This works.

7.5/10

[Wildcat]

Ok episode.

I was expecting a Ghostbusters reference too but was it really a reference? I thought the cards would have shapes and wavy lines. Then I would have considered it a reference.

They had animals to tie in with the monster and April's visions.

[Powder]

I was expecting a Ghostbusters reference too but was it really a reference? I thought the cards would have shapes and wavy lines. Then I would have considered it a reference.

How is that not a reference?

Scientist testing the psychic ability of girl he likes with cards with images on them, she gets them wrong.


& the thing on her dome was a nod to the colander on The Keymasters head, too. I mean, really, it could be no clearer. What do you want, someone to say "Who ya gonna call?" :tlol:

[JH24]

It was written by Greg Weisman, creator of Gargoyles that's why it was so well written. I hope he writes more episodes. :D

Gargoyles? That was one of my favorite childhood series. :)

Yeah, I agree. Definitely hoping we'll see more of Greg's writing in this series.

He could have decided to go the easy way with a mutant and some action and call it a day, but instead he focused on some great character interaction and development, with some action added into the mix as a bonus. And I loved it.

[Powder]

I didn't find this episode particularly special by any means but I did enjoy the references in it. Ghostbusters, the mention of Talbot, the nod to the third flick ("If we're not back in *measurement of time*, we're turtle soup!", & there may have been others that I can't recall. & it was cool to see Dr. Cluckingstein return. Hope it sticks around.

[Tarris Vaal]

Not a bad episode at all. Good to see Leo back on his feet!

I liked that they had some bonding between Raph and Casey/Leo. Its good to see a stronger friendship there.

I was also pleased that Donnie apologises to April at the end. They could easily have left that out completely, but its a nice touch I thought.

In regards the worm head joke - Earthworm Jim reference?

[tmntfanuk]

Well, that was... another episode. Cannot wait for next week. Sick of filler.

So much this! Lets go home aready!

[DarthRaphael]

I think this was an important episode in that is the first step in moving the story along.

The entire reason they have been hiding out is to let Leo heal and it seemed every episode he had a setback. The injuries he received in that fight with Shredder were psychological along with the physical. I think he was concentrating on his knee so much it impeded the healing process. I'm not too bothered by the 'quick' heal in the forest. I think that scene demonstrated that the physical body was good but Leo had to get over the mental aspect of his injury. He was concentrating on April's condition and he suddenly realized he was OK. They can now move on and get back to NYC.

I think this episode is important for April as well. It shows how much her psychic abilities have developed since I think it is going to play a key role in how they defeat the Kraang.

A good 'mutant' episode. My favorite after the Frogs.

[evan2000]

Just noticed on 2nd viewing, Dr. Cluckingsworth chuckled and face-palmed (face-winged?) when April guessed the picture of Donnie as a worm :tlol:

http://i.imgur.com/dTz5UmX.gif

This needs to be a thing! :tgrin:

http://i.imgur.com/rFrsPHC.gif

[ShelleyQuick]

Just noticed on 2nd viewing, Dr. Cluckingsworth chuckled and face-palmed (face-winged?) when April guessed the picture of Donnie as a worm :tlol:

http://i.imgur.com/dTz5UmX.gif

This needs to be a thing! :tgrin:

http://i.imgur.com/rFrsPHC.gif

That is hilarious!:lol: Didn't even notice that, I'm really growing to love that chicken(by the way the giant brain thing still grosses me out):teek:

[Cheese-sickle]

I really enjoyed this episode. Despite it being filler, it was action packed, funny and addressed issues of Leo's injury. But this episode was written by Greg Weisman so I expect nothing less.

Finally we get to see some April and Leo bonding time and it's nice to see April working to overcome a genuine obstacle.

The monster this week is homage to the wondrously bad movie 'the giant claw': 1957 I was a little put out when nobody mentioned a battle ship :lol:

8459

Really looking forward to next week.

[THGhost]

Anyone have a link where I can watch this? Hola's not letting me access Nick.com for some reason.

[Asha]

Just noticed on 2nd viewing, Dr. Cluckingsworth chuckled and face-palmed (face-winged?) when April guessed the picture of Donnie as a worm :tlol:

http://i.imgur.com/dTz5UmX.gif

This needs to be a thing! :tgrin:

http://i.imgur.com/rFrsPHC.gif

In the first GIF the chicken missing in the shot of Donnie's worm head and magically appear on the table.

[Vicky82]

I like the little fist pump between April and Mikey.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/aa1f29140337534bebdc2f53d2c2bcfa/tumblr_ni2t3yC8lN1qhciipo1_400.gif

[snake]

I like the little fist pump between April and Mikey.

https://38.media.tumblr.com/aa1f29140337534bebdc2f53d2c2bcfa/tumblr_ni2t3yC8lN1qhciipo1_400.gif

Those tumblr filters hurt my eyes.

[lindz247]

What the crap I looked on my tv guide last night and it said it wasn't coming on seriously?? :-?

[Ravenshell]

When your old fandom intersects with your new fandom: geekout level: over 9000!

Me, browsing the thread: "OMG! Greg Weisman guest-wrote this episode!"
husband: "What?! Seriously?!"
me: "Unless everyone on here is lying, then, yeah!"
husband: "Is it up anywhere yet?"
both of us: "EEEEEE!!!"

Turducken... Mikey's book of "mythology" was a cookbook. ;p

I'm concerned about the number of bleached human bones were in that nest... this thing was on the loose how long??

Also, I guess we get an answer to what happens if more than two creatures were involved with the mutation process... mutant itself was wicked!

I guess I'm one of those geeky kids who grew up knowing how to pronounce chimera...

[blindturtle02]

Great episode, although I agree with Powder. I just want to get back to the main story, but Weisman totally delivers as he always does. I was really digging his continuity bits. Props to whoever spotted that bird after Speed Demon went kabloohoohooey. Loved Leo and April's interactions. Mikey's Turducken name made me think of an episode from Supernatural season 7, where the main villains of the season used this type of sandwich for nefarious purposes. Anywho, awesome to see Weisman writing an episode for the series and I'm also hoping for more stories by him. I'm a huge Gargoyles and Spidy fan, so more Turtles via Weisman would make me very happy. Bring on Vision Quest and the glorious Return To New York! Well it'll be more Kraangy than glorious, but you get the picture.

[kelligrafie]

Anyone have a link where I can watch this? Hola's not letting me access Nick.com for some reason.

Yeah same with my Hola.

But even so, they've put this thing on the Nickelodeon website where you now have to enter your TV provider details before you can access the episode so Hola or no Hola, you can't watch it on the site.

[Wildcat]

How is that not a reference?

& the thing on her dome was a nod to the colander on The Keymasters head, too. I mean, really, it could be no clearer. What do you want, someone to say "Who ya gonna call?" :tlol:Well sci-fi style helmet things are used in many things. Not just ghostbusters. The cards could be a coincidence...they didn't use shapes.

[IndigoErth]

Comcast has it available already on-demand. (Nice to see them adding the new episodes that quick, took them a long time to start bothering to do that.)

[BubblyShell22]

I never noticed Cluckingsworth face palming. Nice catch to whoever saw that!

[Lethal Lullaby]

Well this was most certainly a fun episode to watch. I watched it again on YouTube today. I liked the Leo and April bonding as well.

Other things I enjoyed:

Casey and Don wokring together (even if there was the slight hint of trying to get April's attention after they climbed up the Chimera's neck) and the both of them helping her down when the avalanche was happening.
How the cards related to the Chimera being part worm, fish, and bird.
Mikey scooting around on his tush after burning it. :lol:
Idk why but I liked when Casey was like, "Listen to Casey Jones!" When they were all having that argument about being prepared.
Chimera still lives!

[Metalwolf]

Yeah same with my Hola.

But even so, they've put this thing on the Nickelodeon website where you now have to enter your TV provider details before you can access the episode so Hola or no Hola, you can't watch it on the site.VerizonFIOS no longer has Nick as part of it's primary subscription plan so even putting in my info will no longer let me watch it, even though it's still up. It stinks because it was free, I guess they had some sort of breakup during the hiatus :ohwell:

[MisfitKraang]

I thought it was pretty good, The Chimera was so rad I know most people are sick of the mutant of the week episodes but I certainly am not I love seeing what things they can come up with, although I also would like some more plot development.:D:D:D I cant wait to see the vision quest next week:D

[Powder]

Well sci-fi style helmet things are used in many things. Not just ghostbusters. The cards could be a coincidence...they didn't use shapes.

You sir, are an exercise in frustration. :tlol:

[Wildcat]

You sir, are an exercise in frustration. :tlol:Ha, well ok yes it definitely could have been a Ghostbusters reference it's just for me the shapes and wavy lines thing was what would have driven it home for me. Guess because I always remember the movie's quotes.

[Karai Samurai]

VerizonFIOS no longer has Nick as part of it's primary subscription plan so even putting in my info will no longer let me watch it, even though it's still up. It stinks because it was free, I guess they had some sort of breakup during the hiatus :ohwell:

Really? Because I have fios and Nick is still free. But omg. For the holidays I got a new television and although I don't care too much for flatscreens and HD (I had my old TV for 13 years) it makes my viewing experience so much better. I'm really appreciating the better quality.

Loved this episode. The Chimera was cool without being problematically gross (mom thing) and for the first time for ...I don't know a season and a half, we got some great character interaction. Leo and April made a great team, Donnie and Casey weren't crushing too much, Mikey was being cute without lacking an IQ, and Raph is just awesome. Weird premise for an episode, but entertaining none the less because of the great character development. Some one upthread mentioned that they're still suffering the effects of mom thing and emphasizing April's powers so I guess that's the link between all of these filler-y episodes, but still. Less filler, let's get back to New York.

Ranking of S3 episodes (so far):
1. Eye of the Chimera
2. In Dreams
3. Uhhh...the rest. Didn't really care for any of the other episodes

Looking forward to more of Weisman's writing.

[CowabungaMikey]

Well this was most certainly a fun episode to watch. I watched it again on YouTube today. I liked the Leo and April bonding as well.

Other things I enjoyed:

Casey and Don wokring together (even if there was the slight hint of trying to get April's attention after they climbed up the Chimera's neck) and the both of them helping her down when the avalanche was happening.
How the cards related to the Chimera being part worm, fish, and bird.
Mikey scooting around on his tush after burning it. :lol:
Idk why but I liked when Casey was like, "Listen to Casey Jones!" When they were all having that argument about being prepared.
Chimera still lives!



That Filthy Frank signature

[Syb3rStrife]

Don't care much for the new time slot (overslept and missed the first 15 mins and had to wait till it was online to see the rest) but regardless this was a pretty good episode. The scene with April sniffing Leo (which is going to most likely spawn so many fanfics) is definitely one of my favorite moments of Season 3 so far.

I can't help but feel like all these new mutants that seem to be invincible are going to play a major role in helping the guys win the city back over.

[hypnock]

Why didn't April get burned from the explosion?

[THGhost]

Thanks to the 4 people who sent me links to this. :lol:

This one was fun. I liked the scenes with Leo and April.
The Chimera's design was cool too. That's "kai-mair-uh", btw.
I'm actually starting to like Leo's voice now. :P


Did anyone else notice that Mikey's mouth didn't match what he was saying when he said "Oooh, bird, worm and fish"?

Probably not the first to ask this - where was the bird at the end of that last one? I just watched it again and cannot see it.

When did Leonardo become Mr. Glass from Unbreakable?

I thought that too. :lol:

The human skeletons was a nice touch because it would fly over the heads of children yet older fans see the dark implications there.

Sure about that? :ohwell:

http://i.imgur.com/rFrsPHC.gif

:lol::lol::lol:

[BeanoKid95]

I liked this episode and...

April with Ninja Turtle eyes! :D

[zipper]

And yet another mutant of the week episode. I'm looking forward to Sunday's episode though.

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

I liked the episode pretty good. When Donnie started conducting that experiment on April did anyone think they were gonna do an homage to Ghostbusters when Venkman was showing the hot chick the cards and telling her she got it right when she actually got it wrong? Also, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but Turducken is actually a thing that John Madden used to award to the best player on whatever Thanksgiving day game that he called. I was curious if there were some football fans on the writing staff that might have snuck that in there because of that. If that was a just a random word they though up then I'd say that's a pretty big coincidence. I liked it but I'm ready for them to go back to NY and try to find Splinter.

[blindturtle02]

So that's why I was thinking of football! Thanks. I had the mental equivalent to a rock in my shoe for the last two days.

[DevilSpooky]

I liked the episode pretty good. When Donnie started conducting that experiment on April did anyone think they were gonna do an homage to Ghostbusters when Venkman was showing the hot chick the cards and telling her she got it right when she actually got it wrong? Also, I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but Turducken is actually a thing that John Madden used to award to the best player on whatever Thanksgiving day game that he called. I was curious if there were some football fans on the writing staff that might have snuck that in there because of that. If that was a just a random word they though up then I'd say that's a pretty big coincidence. I liked it but I'm ready for them to go back to NY and try to find Splinter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken

[Levia24]

I think in general it was a nice episode, despite extremely improbable things happening, like Leo being able to walk for no reason whatsoever, April and Leo surviving the ride on Chimera's back, as well as everyone surviving the rock avalanche, etc. It was all more or less acceptable because episode had some nice touches, like Leo and April bonding. The hug they shared at the and was so adorable ^__^

What I can't get over with since the start of season three, is Seth Green's voice. He's voice is just way, way too deep, Leo sounds like a grown up compare to the rest of the gang. I have a genuine dislike for Seth Green playing Leo to such measure, it ruins my experience of the whole 2012 show. I even think creators don't care much for the show anymore if they could hire someone like Seth Green to do Leo without noticing anything wrong. For this reason I'm afraid my interest in this show fades away, and I'm not seeing myself being able to watch it with same enthusiasm anymore :(

[T-U-R-T-L-E POWA!]

So that's why I was thinking of football! Thanks. I had the mental equivalent to a rock in my shoe for the last two days.

Well after seeing that Wikipedia article about it now I wonder if it has to do with the actual food or as an homage to John Madden. LOL. Either way it's good that I helped you get that figurative rock out of your shoe. I can't stand that feeling either.

[DevilSpooky]

Well after seeing that Wikipedia article about it now I wonder if it has to do with the actual food or as an homage to John Madden. LOL. Either way it's good that I helped you get that figurative rock out of your shoe. I can't stand that feeling either.

Oh c'mon dude, even Mikey gives you an hint of what they're referencing here.

Michelangelo:Ooh! Bird, worm and fish. Three animals, one body. I know this one, there's like a perfect name for it in mythology!

Donatello: Chimera?

Michelangelo: No, Turducken!

3 animals? One body? A chicken inside a duck, inside a turkey?

[kelligrafie]

I liked how it did a flashback to demon car episode. I wouldn't want that in every episode but after a hiatus, it was a good idea.

I thought this episode was ok. I didn't love it, I didn't hate it. I'm glad that despite it being filler, most fans seemed to enjoy it, which makes a nice change.

I liked the idea of bonding between Leo and April but as neither of those two are anywhere near my favourite TMNT characters, it didn't mean as much to me as it would have if say Raphael and Donnie were bonding, or Mikey and Casey.

Man I would love a Mikey/Casey episode.

But I wouldn't be too bothered if the chimera never showed up again. Boring. Probably my least favourite villain this season.

[BubblyShell22]

I think in general it was a nice episode, despite extremely improbable things happening, like Leo being able to walk for no reason whatsoever, April and Leo surviving the ride on Chimera's back, as well as everyone surviving the rock avalanche, etc. It was all more or less acceptable because episode had some nice touches, like Leo and April bonding. The hug they shared at the and was so adorable ^__^

What I can't get over with since the start of season three, is Seth Green's voice. He's voice is just way, way too deep, Leo sounds like a grown up compare to the rest of the gang. I have a genuine dislike for Seth Green playing Leo to such measure, it ruins my experience of the whole 2012 show. I even think creators don't care much for the show anymore if they could hire someone like Seth Green to do Leo without noticing anything wrong. For this reason I'm afraid my interest in this show fades away, and I'm not seeing myself being able to watch it with same enthusiasm anymore :(

But they explained why his voice changed due to his ambush, so I think it's great that they did that. And there's nothing wrong with it at all. The creators do care about the show and thought Seth was a good fit, which he is. I'm sorry you don't like his voice for Leo, but I think it's a great fit and enjoy listening to him as I think he's come into his own with the role. Yes, it took some getting used to at first, but I'm accustomed to it now, and that's a good thing.

[penumbra369]

I loved this ep so much!

Just the other day I could've launched into a ginormous complaint about self-righteous, overpowered, Mary-Sue'd April in the official vent thread. She's just rubbed me all kinds of wrong.

Then I watched this ep. Greg Weisman has shown me that all April needed was a touch of humor. I realized the biggest flaw in April was that the writers, for the most part, put her on way too high a pedestal. But Eyes of the Chimera had her walking into a tree, lecturing thin air where she thought Leo was, bantering pretty realistically ("That's a little difficult right now!"), and just being so much more approachable without losing her basic inner strength. Bless Greg Weisman's heart.

Also, I'm a sucker for bromance. This ep had it in spades. :tgrin: My favorite moments were between Casey and Raph, both dialogue and body language. Bros for life right there!

I'm cool with Seth Green's Leo, liking him more with each new ep - this might put me in the minority, but IMO Leo's better off with a whole new voice than one trying to imitate the old voice. All respect for Jason Biggs and Dominic Catrambone, I just don't expect Seth Green to stuff himself into their mold. Neither does the show, or he wouldn't have been cast. I think he's doing fine. 8)

[Levia24]

Glad to hear there are people who are getting used to Seth Green's voice and are able to enjoy this show. Personally, I have nothing against Seth Green, heck he seem quite enthusiastic about his work and is a fan of turtles. It's just that for me, his voice in this show stands out from the rest of the cast so painfully obvious, it's hard to listen. He's voice is somehow too loud, too deep and have a coarse quality, which would make him a perfect cast for a grisly bear, for instance. But teenage Leo? A character that in all previous incarnations had a higher pitched male voice, even as a grown-up? No. Decisively not.

Not to go off topic, I really liked Chimera's design in this episode, this is one of the rare monsters that are actually scary and interesting to look at. But that might be because the creature is copypasta from "The Giant Claw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Giant_Claw)" 1957 science fiction film, lol.

And April, I finally agree - she is becoming a huuuge Mary-Sue black hole, isn't she? Not only does she have two of the main cast in love with her, but now she's the driving force behind Leo's resolve? Dude, did they overpower her or what... not to mention how she's constantly right about everything and have pivotal role in every main plot turn. I admit didn't notice this at first, but now I think I'm seeing what everyone has been talking about regarding April's unrealistic character.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I think the problem with Seth Green's voice for Leo is not that it's bad but that it's a radical change from the other two's voices. It gives Leo a much deeper tone where as Jason's made him sound more like a teen who's building up to be a leader and Dominique's made him sound more like a chill teen.

If you want my opinion, I think Leo's upgrade in voice actors is getting better for me. Seth Green sounded jarring at first and he still sounds less like a teenager then the other two but honestly at this point, I could care less about the teenage aspect of this show. I for one am enjoying his voice as it makes Leo sound more like the Leo I know and love. I welcome Seth Green with open arms and wished he voice Leo from the start of this series. But voice actors tend to change, so what can you do. *shrugs* :ohwell:

[Shark_Blade]

I finally got to see it, love the Apritello moment at the end. :tlove:

April hugging Leo was nice too.

[BubblyShell22]

I think the problem with Seth Green's voice for Leo is not that it's bad but that it's a radical change from the other two's voices. It gives Leo a much deeper tone where as Jason's made him sound more like a teen who's building up to be a leader and Dominique's made him sound more like a chill teen.

If you want my opinion, I think Leo's upgrade in voice actors is getting better for me. Seth Green sounded jarring at first and he still sounds less like a teenager then the other two but honestly at this point, I could care less about the teenage aspect of this show. I for one am enjoying his voice as it makes Leo sound more like the Leo I know and love. I welcome Seth Green with open arms and wished he voice Leo from the start of this series. But voice actors tend to change, so what can you do. *shrugs* :ohwell:

Totally agree that Seth should have been there from the beginning, but he's here now, and he's rocking it, so that's good.

And I agree about April, too. I thought she was pretty balanced and not too Mary Sueish, but she is a partial Sue. I think I would call her a total Sue if she used her powers all of the time, but that usually is the case while dealing with the Kraang, and considering the chimera got mutagen poured on it, it would make sense that April's powers would work that way, too with her seeing it. So I don't think she's a total Sue, but more of a borderline Sue. If she starts using her powers more to rescue the guys to the point where they don't even fight anymore, then I'll call her a total Sue.

[Luckyday]

Totally agree that Seth should have been there from the beginning, but he's here now, and he's rocking it, so that's good.

And I agree about April, too. I thought she was pretty balanced and not too Mary Sueish, but she is a partial Sue. I think I would call her a total Sue if she used her powers all of the time, but that usually is the case while dealing with the Kraang, and considering the chimera got mutagen poured on it, it would make sense that April's powers would work that way, too with her seeing it. So I don't think she's a total Sue, but more of a borderline Sue. If she starts using her powers more to rescue the guys to the point where they don't even fight anymore, then I'll call her a total Sue.

Well it depend if she is never challenge, is always right, beloved by everyone even by the bad guys, and everyone constantly telling us that she is awesome then yes she would be a complete mary sue.

But let's look at some idealized characters are sometimes falsely label as mary sues.

Example A: Superman
Superman so overpowered but you what? He actually a better written character then...Batman. Yes Batman! :x. Superman may be stupid strong but in the hands of a good writer, he is never unchallenged because his enemies are often demigods that even sometimes succeed in killing him.

Batman on the other hand will know every field of science know to man, is a super genius detective, master martial artist that can easily defeated 20 guys.

The only thing that keeps Batman in check is that he has morally questionable motives that borderlines on being a complete sociopath. But if no one question him or calls him out of his BS then he is freaking Sasuke. In other words an anti sue.

Example B: Tohru Honda from Fruit Basket
Now I will admit that this harder to defend but what makes this character works and what others fail is that Honda's life was hard and even though she has bad days, she puts on a brave face and works her ass off in her part time job as a janitor while still going to high school (which she has a hard time keeping up with) instead giving a diatribe on how horrible her life is. That is what makes this character brilliant because instead her just telling the sob story or having moments of explosion of diarrhea angst, we see subtle signs of her pain through out the story.

Example C: Twilight Sparkles
Just because she an alicorn princess doesn't mean she doesn't have her share of troubles because let me tell you, when you ascend to level of power, it comes a whole new level of scrutiny. **** is going to get real my friends and god forbid if you make a mistake or appear human because the public has a way of never living it down. Just go ask Princess Luna.

So when we look at April, is she really a sue? It depends on who writing her because execution is what matters most.;)

What I want to see done with April is to go through a internal character struggle of being who she wants to be vs she is in real life.

Now I am not saying she should never try to improve herself, but I have notice that she had a ugly duckling stage and even more so, she doesn't seem to have a lot of friends outside of Casey and the turtles. I am betting that stage was un pleasant. She probably didn't really like herself back then. You could say that her problem was that she had a poor self image but I betting that it goes deeper.

Her father is a ethologist (animal psychologist) that study rats in mazes. Being a single parent, he probably brought his work home more then once, and April would always play with them which lead her to have this fascination with rats and that fascination grew into zoology and xenofiction (science fiction, fantasy and realistic stories that were told from an animal perspective or anything that was nonhuman). However when she told all the girls in elementary school, their respond was anything but positive. Everyone and everybody had this strong mental image of rats as disease vermin, but no one knew that rats were smart, strong and loving creatures and no one cared. She wasn't really tease but she wasn't notice either. There just wasn't anything that she could related to the other kids. Then one day when she finally had her braces off, she look in the mirror and smiled. "Wow, I don't look a nerd anymore." It was at that moment when she had an epiphany.

My point is to avoided going on about this unintentionally head canon fan fic is that April wants to be this idealized awesome cool popular person but there this nerdy Eliza Thornberry side who won't shut up about the freaking animals!
This all change after being around Donnie because wow, nerds can save the world, but there a bit of hesitation because you see she have been this new persona for a long time to a point where she sort of became the mask. She not sure if she can go back to be that smart little girl again that knew a lot about animals. Does she even want to or should she focus on improving her ninjustsu that fits with her new persona? Or maybe she can have a balance of both? Personal improvement and renewing an old interest that was a huge part of her life.

I know it's not exciting to put in a single laser focus character episode but at least it something for April.
Be yourself vs To change yourself to be better.

[ssjup81]

Personally, a Mary Sue/Gary Stu to me is a character portrayed as being unable to do anything wrong, liked by practically all of the characters, never or rarely having any consequences for her actions, and seen as being flawless. April is flawed to me and not viewed as liked by everyone (meaning the characters in the show).

The only character who comes to mind for me who fits the Mary Sue thing, imo, is Lola (or was it Lila?) from Hey Arnold...although granted, she was purposely written that way. Everyone, minus Helga, adored her and she came across as perfect in every way. Even the way she spoke was "perfect". Seriously, she could've gone on a killing spree and the other characters still would've praised her. :lol:

Luckyday: When I saw "Twilight Sparkles", I thought it was a jab at Edward from Twilight. lol

[penumbra369]

So when we look at April, is she really a sue? It depends on who writing her because execution is what matters most.;)

What I want to see done with April is to go through a internal character struggle of being who she wants to be vs she is in real life.


Great point about execution - that's why I was so pleasantly surprised by how Weisman wrote her, and I like your ideas as well. I too think she's in an unenviable phase of life; she even says so herself in "Karai's Vendetta." I guess those moments she's rubbed me the most wrong (like when she calls herself almost a full-fledged kunoichi after training only a few months *imagines Karai rolling her eyes* or when she tells off Master Splinter for "doing nothing" as if she knows exactly what he has endured) can be explained by her frustration with her own struggles.

Still, I would agree she's at least a borderline Sue, as BubblyShell22 says. :ohwell:

[penumbra369]

I think the problem with Seth Green's voice for Leo is not that it's bad but that it's a radical change from the other two's voices. It gives Leo a much deeper tone where as Jason's made him sound more like a teen who's building up to be a leader and Dominique's made him sound more like a chill teen.


Seth's voice is quite different, that's true! And I do miss Jason Biggs. He does Big Brother the best - whether resolute, competitive, goofy or dorky, Jason nailed it all. Seth's Leo definitely took time to grow on me after that, but I'd say it has, even if he feels less Big Brother-like...and maybe that's the whole point, that Leo's becoming something more as the turtles' horizons expand. So yeah, I'm with you in welcoming Seth. :)

[Shark_Blade]

I'd still say Jason Biggs's voice is the best, his lines delivery was always top notch and spot on for the emotions required for the scenes. Dominique's a good replacement but since we get stuck with Seth.... tbh he's not absolutely bad, but he's lacking a firm voice/tone of a leader.

I'm still open to hear more from him though. It could be worse, but hey let's make the best out of it. :)

[Levia24]

But they explained why his voice changed due to his ambush, so I think it's great that they did that. Actually, I think it's lame they addressed that. It reminds me of TV soaps where they try to explain actor quitting and being replaced by a new actor via saying he/she survived some accident, and had to go under face & body reconstruction. That trick is quite often used and it's pretty annoying.

[BubblyShell22]

I'd still say Jason Biggs's voice is the best, his lines delivery was always top notch and spot on for the emotions required for the scenes. Dominique's a good replacement but since we get stuck with Seth.... tbh he's not absolutely bad, but he's lacking a firm voice/tone of a leader.

I'm still open to hear more from him though. It could be worse, but hey let's make the best out of it. :)

Actually, he did use the leader voice in "Within the Woods" when Donnie and Mikey tried to challenge his orders of who was paired up with who, so we know he can do the leader voice just fine. I'm sure he'll get more into the leader mode later on.



Actually, I think it's lame they addressed that. It reminds me of TV soaps where they try to explain actor quitting and being replaced by a new actor via saying he/she survived some accident, and had to go under face & body reconstruction. That trick is quite often used and it's pretty annoying.

Well, whatever. I think it's awesome they addressed it and it fits with what has happened to him.

[Groverman62]

This episode was really cool and fun. It was nice to see some interaction between Leo April have not seen much of that. And the bickering between Leo and the guys is funny

Im glad we have seemed to reach the end of the filler episodes

[travelingcat]

This was a great episode. So many good interactions between characters. And nobody was left in the background with one or two lines. I laughed so hard when Raph berated the others for not being prepared. "Do you know who we are? When wouldn't we get attacked by bird mutants?!" :lol: Pretty freaky to see all those skeletons in the nest after such a short time. And that moment when April tried to eat Leo, oh my...

Just noticed on 2nd viewing, Dr. Cluckingsworth chuckled and face-palmed (face-winged?) when April guessed the picture of Donnie as a worm :tlol:

http://i.imgur.com/dTz5UmX.gif

This needs to be a thing! :tgrin:

http://i.imgur.com/rFrsPHC.gif
Earthworm Jim reference! :D And bird facepalm is doubly hilarious.

[Levia24]

Pretty freaky to see all those skeletons in the nest after such a short time.Yeah, I thought that was weird for a kid's show. Didn't thought that would go uncensored, but I was wrong.

And that moment when April tried to eat Leo, oh my...lol, I know... what the heck happened there XD XD XD I can already see dozens of youtube videos with that scene edited "Oh man, Leo; I'm so embarrassed right now"

[IndigoErth]

http://i.imgur.com/PZJ1FVZ.gif
That never gets old. :lol:

Thank god it wasn't Donnie... He prob wouldn't have run, thinking his dreams just came true. Then showed up with a couple bite marks on his neck and they've got some awkward explaining to do. :tlol:

[Vicky82]

This was posted on tumblr, thought this was funny

http://dtaina.tumblr.com/post/107815333529/plot-bunny

Plot Bunny

dtaina:

This popped into my head after seeing April trying to eat Leo, and I could NOT resist…

Leo: Donnie, you won’t believe what happened to me! We were out in the woods and April started smelling my neck!

Don: NO!

Leo: And then she told me I smelled… GOOD!

Don: NO!!

Leo: And then she threw herself on me with the hungriest look I’ve EVER seen on a woman!

Don: NO!!!

Leo: And then she tried to EAT ME!

Don: [runs off crying his eyes out]

Leo: What’d I say?!


:lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

ROFLMAO!!! That's good.

[IndigoErth]

:lol::tlol: They could have totally gotten away with that in the show.

Leo be all like...

April...
http://i.imgur.com/5Eh3JWn.gif
http://i.imgur.com/8W6JVdA.gif

Karai...
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzcnfrvzad1r7u19c.gif

[Mini-Turtle]

Must say that I REALLY enjoyed Mikey getting dipped in the caldera! "My sweet little turtle tush! Ow! Ow! Ow!" Never though I'd see something in TMNT more hillarious than "My toes! My toes!" Also enjoyed it when April ran into the tree. "I meant to do that!" Darkwing Duck reference? Never really thought of the worm-headed Donnie thing as an Earthworm Jim reference, thought.

Wonder if we'll see the Turducken again, or if it will be something that is still alive but remains unseen, like the Necro Monster in 2K3.

[Amaranthus]

Wonder if we'll see the Turducken again, or if it will be something that is still alive but remains unseen, like the Necro Monster in 2K3.

Basically every mutant/monster of the week survives their episode. Only to be barely mentioned or seen ever again.

[BubblyShell22]

This was posted on tumblr, thought this was funny

http://dtaina.tumblr.com/post/107815333529/plot-bunny



:lol:

Oh man, that's hilarious! I could totally see that happening.

[billbot85]

This episode was ok, wasn't very exciting for me. Although April's psychic connection with Chimera was pretty cool. April wanting to eat Leo was pretty funny, too. :tlol:

[Shark_Blade]

I seriously thought April was about to bang Leo... Pretty sure Leo thought so too, judging from his response: "Don't get any idea!". :tlol:

I love these adult jokes that keeps popping up in the series.

[ssjup81]

I seriously thought April was about to bang Leo... Pretty sure Leo thought so too, judging from his response: "Don't get any idea!". :tlol:

I love these adult jokes that keeps popping up in the series.My mind didn't want to go there, but I thought something similar too with that line since it didn't make sense for him to even say it. He wouldn't have known April was "hungry" and wanted to eat him *giggles again* Seriously, just saying, "April wanted to eat Leo" I crack up. *ahem* So yeah, that popped into mind too. He was probably thinking about Donnie. We'd get that shot of Donnie, like in the ep where they went to see Leatherhead after losing the power cell and Mikey was making light of the fact that Leatherhead grabbed Donnie by the face. :lol:

You know, I wonder if Leo and Mikey still think Donnie doesn't have a chance with April. They felt that way first season, but have never expressed that to Donnie.

[neatoman]

Wonder if we'll see the Turducken again, or if it will be something that is still alive but remains unseen, like the Necro Monster in 2K3.

Well the difference is that the Necro Monster was an exception, not the rule...

[ranger_scout]

What I really enjoyed this episode is the character development that Leo went through. I also really believe that Seth Green is making the role his own.

[victory_angel]

At least we didn't need to have any of this in the episode.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/261f382ce1026df2ee1ad8d21130467f/tumblr_niju266z5Y1ttp13qo1_1280.jpg Image found on tumblr

[Luckyday]

At least we didn't need to have any of this in the episode.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/261f382ce1026df2ee1ad8d21130467f/tumblr_niju266z5Y1ttp13qo1_1280.jpg Image found on tumblr

I wonder how long until someone has a crazy idea to ship those two together and for some reason it started a large fan base.

[ssjup81]

I wonder how long until someone has a crazy idea to ship those two together and for some reason it started a large fan base.So Chinatown Ghost Story didn't put the notion in people's heads to ship them? :lol:

[Luckyday]

So Chinatown Ghost Story didn't put the notion in people's heads to ship them? :lol:

Give them time, ssjup81. Stranger things have happen at the last minute.

[Sumac]

Almost 2k3 quality writing here, which is surprising. And continuity...? NICE!!
Also, It maybe just me, but it looked as if animation was better in this episode.

Blind April and injured Leo have been an awesome combo.

This veriosn of April wasn't really annoying me from the begining, and now, when she is actually can be useful somehow, except for being token human ally, I like her even more. Casey has become less annoying, too. So, maybe after all this time some character development will occur? We see, when this season will go to the more interesting part.

Also, not for the first time, I notice, that creators imply some pretty dark stuff in the series. I mean, this Chimera seemingly hunted a lot of people and will continue doing so. And Turtles most likely will move on back to NYC, leaving poor people of Northhampton to be terrorized by this monster.

[Amaranthus]

Almost 2k3 quality writing here, which is surprising. And continuity...? NICE!!
Also, It maybe just me, but it looked as if animation was better in this episode.

Blind April and injured Leo have been an awesome combo.

This veriosn of April wasn't really annoying me from the begining, and now, when she is actually can be useful somehow, except for being token human ally, I like her even more. Casey has become less annoying, too. So, maybe after all this time some character development will occur? We see, when this season will go to the more interesting part.

Also, not for the first time, I notice, that creators imply some pretty dark stuff in the series. I mean, this Chimera seemingly hunted a lot of people and will continue doing so. And Turtles most likely will move on back to NYC, leaving poor people of Northhampton to be terrorized by this monster.

No continuity. The bird wasn't actually there in the end of the previous episode.

[Sumac]

No continuity. The bird wasn't actually there in the end of the previous episode.
Still, it's nice to see one episode being direct continuation of the other, even if the minor retcon involved.