DC Comics' Vixen: The Animated Series

[TurtleTitan97]

Arrow's Marc Guggenheim will bring an animated series based on DC Comics' Vixen to The CW's online component, CW Seed, the network announced today at the Television Critics Association (via KSite TV).

The series expected to debut in the fall and will share a universe with The Flash and Arrow.

The story centers on Mari Jiwe McCabe, an African-born orphan whose mystical Tantu totem that gives her the abilities of one animal at a time. In some iterations, she's been tied to The Red, the life web that connects all animals and also powers Buddy "Animal Man" Baker.

Following the wild success of The Flash this year, there had been speculation that The CW would launch another DC Comics series; producers had admitted they had some ideas they were considering, but it had been some time since it was openly discussed. In the meantime, Greg Berlanti's Supergirl has taken root at CBS and Andrew Kreisberg's recently-updated bio still says he's working on Booster Gold with Syfy and Warner Horizon.

This is the second high-profile CW Seed launch in as many years; earlier this year, iZombie producer Rob Thomas debuted Play It Again, Dick, a Veronica Mars spinoff, on the platform.



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[Raph's Girl]

Yep. So the Arrowverse has gained an animated series with Vixen!

It's about danged time she got her own show after being in JLU and Batman Brave and the Bold!!

Arrowverse now consists of: Arrow, Flash, Vixen, and Supergirl with possibilities for Static Shock and Teen Titans.

[TurtleTitan97]

It's about danged time she got her own show after being in JLU and Batman Brave and the Bold!!


Yeah, she was pretty great in both of those shows.

[TurtleTitan97]

Marc Guggenheim reveals more details about Vixen:


The CW surprised reporters at its Television Critics Association Winter Press Tour session Sunday afternoon with the reveal of "Vixen," in the form of promotional handouts announcing the animated project. Expected to debut in the fall, it'll be set in the shared universe of live-action hits "The Flash" and "Arrow," and stream on The CW's online platform, CW Seed.

The DC Comics character headlining "Vixen" is a bit more obscure than Green Arrow or The Flash. Created by Gerry Conway and Bob Oksner and first introduced in 1981's "Action Comics" #521, Vixen -- also known as Mari Jiwe McCabe -- is a character with African roots, who has been a member of multiple Justice League incarnations. Her powers are tied to the magical Tantu Totem, which puts her in a different category than the relatively grounded vigilantism of "Arrow" and the super-science of "The Flash" -- which, according to "Arrow" executive producer Marc Guggenheim, is kind of the point.

Guggenheim is also at the front of "Vixen," and CBR News spoke to the writer following the "Arrow"/"Flash" TCA event. Guggenheim described "Vixen" as a "six-part origin story," and shared that the team behind it plans to take advantage of the type of scale that's much easier to achieve in animation than in live-action -- along with depicting some big character moments that won't be seen elsewhere.



CBR News: Marc, what can you share about the just-announced "Vixen" animated project?

Marc Guggenheim: It's a great deal of fun, I have to say. I always love working in different mediums. We're going to do basically an animated spinoff. It's going to center on Vixen who, for me, I came to know as a former member of the Justice League.

It's a six-part origin story, but characters from "Flash" and "Arrow" are prominently involved. It's in the continuity and the world. There's actually a question I've been getting on Twitter a lot, "Is Oliver going to find out that Felicity kissed Barry?" That's actually going to happen in the "Vixen" cartoon. Part of the fun is that close cohesion.

And Vixen's such a great character. First of all, she represents magic, which is an area that we haven't explored on either of the two shows just yet. One thing we're always saying is, "'Flash' is very different from 'Arrow,' 'Arrow' is very different from 'Flash.'" If "Arrow" is crime and "The Flash" is science, "Vixen" has a big magic component.

The other thing is, it's a strong African-American hero who's, like I said, a former Justice Leaguer. It's set in Detroit, as a nod towards those Justice League [Detroit] stories. It's done with the same love of the source material that we bring to everything.

Two of the writers on the project, Keto Shimizu and Brian Ford Sullivan, are every bit as geeky as I am, so look for all the things hopefully you've come to know and love from "Flash" and "Arrow" in "Vixen": the Easter eggs, winks, the nods and the cool action.

One of the things we can do in animation is really push the envelope in a way that we can't on either of the two shows. So there's a much larger production value. We're taking advantage of the animated form. That's the other reason to do it.

Could this potentially lead to the character being seen in live-action?

We always say "never say never," and if the character resonates with people, that would be wonderful. I would love to be in a position where CW said to us, "Hey, we want a 'Vixen' live-action show." That'd be wonderful. We'll have to sort of see how things play out. But our goal really is to produce the highest-quality animated series. We want people to come to this who don't normally watch an animated show. We really want fans of "The Flash" and fans of "Arrow" to go to CW Seed. We really tried to approach it the same way we approach a pilot.

Will the actors from the show voice their characters?

It's funny -- a lot of the actors are just finding out. But the response has been very favorable and very cooperative. I can't speak for them, but all signs are good.


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[neatoman]

Seems cool, let's hope for the best.

[BabyTurtles]

OMG YES!!!

BRING IT BRING IT BRING IT!!

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

This isn't really exciting me. I know nothing about this character, and I could name a dozen characters that I would have preferred to see get a show.

But CW seems like they definitely know what they're doing; I was skeptical of The Flash until I saw the first episode and I love it a little more than Arrow now. :tlol:

So color me skeptical yet optimistic.

[Leo656]

Yeah, me too. I like the character, but... never really seemed interesting outside of a team setting, for some reason. It's definitely an odd pick.

I mean, I'm not exactly knocking it. But if you asked me a couple months ago, I'd predict that Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Supergirl, Nightwing, Booster Gold, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman, SHAZAM!... well, I'd have expected just about 90-95% of the DC roster would get a solo animated series before Vixen. They draw this from a hat, or what?

Frankly, if they were going to pluck a "B-Teamer" to have their own show, Booster Gold would be by far the most interesting, but I'm pretty sure they're not going to ever do that.

I'unno, anyway this'll probably be pretty good but I doubt it'll get a long run. Mostly due to the double whammy "cartoons need toys to stay on the air/girls don't buy action figures" problem, one that's going to be especially tough to work around on a show with a female protagonist. We'll see. I'll see it but I probably won't go out of my way to watch it.

[BabyTurtles]

Yeah, me too. I like the character, but... never really seemed interesting outside of a team setting, for some reason. It's definitely an odd pick.

I mean, I'm not exactly knocking it. But if you asked me a couple months ago, I'd predict that Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Supergirl, Nightwing, Booster Gold, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman, SHAZAM!... well, I'd have expected just about 90-95% of the DC roster would get a solo animated series before Vixen. They draw this from a hat, or what?

Frankly, if they were going to pluck a "B-Teamer" to have their own show, Booster Gold would be by far the most interesting, but I'm pretty sure they're not going to ever do that.

I'unno, anyway this'll probably be pretty good but I doubt it'll get a long run. Mostly due to the double whammy "cartoons need toys to stay on the air/girls don't buy action figures" problem, one that's going to be especially tough to work around on a show with a female protagonist. We'll see. I'll see it but I probably won't go out of my way to watch it.


I realllly hope this show does awesome.

A black female hero getting an animated series (even if it's a short one)

awesome cakes! if all we ever do is Wonderwomen or Supergirl.....other female heroes will never get any attention
I know it's a risk...but I hope it does well!

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Aside from a couple Justice League Unlimited episodes I've never really heard of Vixen. I'll give it a chance, though.

It's nice to see DC actually trying something new instead of making another Batman cartoon.

It'd be cool if they brought in the respective actors from Arrow and Flash to voice the characters in this show.

[Candy Kappa]

Oooh, a female Superhero with her own show. Sign me up.

[sdp]

Well for those of you not wanting the show because you don't know the character why not use this show to check out the character, maybe you'll find out that it's a character that you end up liking...Aren't people always complaining that Batman and only the main JLers appear in animated shows? Well we finally have a show that stars a character that isn't well known and you whine that its not one of the well known ones.

I'm also not a huge fan of the character and only know her from JLU but the Arrowverse is awesome and I'm sure if they chose to give her a chance it's for a reason, hope its good and it does well.

[Leo656]

A black female hero getting an animated series (even if it's a short one)


Kind of the problem, though. I'm pretty sure they DID in fact use that little "checklist" to decide who the star of the next cartoon would be. Not a huge fan of "affirmative action characters". Point of fact, someone who couldn't even carry her own book probably shouldn't leapfrog a bunch of better-known characters to get their own TV show, all things being truly "Equal".

They didn't pick the show based on whether or not people would be interested in it, but rather, if they could get some brownie points with the PC police. I haaaate when they do that.

You know why I said they'd "Never" do a Booster Gold show? Because he's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white guy. A guy who can travel through time and to parallel realities, and who's actually off-and-on been a huge, major "player" in the DCU, and whose cartoon show would be super-interesting and hilariously funny, can never and will never have his own show, because his creators accidentally made him an Aryan Wet Dream, thus you can't actually DO anything with him, despite him being a super-interesting character, "Because PC Reasons".

Vixen's fine, she's always been fine in the JLA and she should have honestly been in the JL/JLU show instead of Hawkgirl and a few others really, but it's questionable to give someone who's never been portrayed as a solo character THAT big of a spotlight like a solo cartoon series, and the fact that, yeah, they're doing it for the "wrong" reasons is annoying. I mean I "Get It". It's still not the right reason to give such an obscure character their own show. It's borderline pandering.

You know what I'd honestly rather see? A "Justice League Detroit" series. You still get Vixen, but also in the same context where she initially became important in the first place. I think there's better stories there, what with the team of "B-Listers" struggling to live up to the title of "Justice League" that they inherited from their "superiors" and Vixen struggling to prove herself a capable leader. It'd probably be too similar of a concept to Young Justice but I think it would be pretty good, plus the characters are all pretty obscure so you'd have a little more freedom. Heck, since everyone but Vixen was dead by the end of that book's run you could even get really dark with it if you wanted to. Plus, I've always been a huge mark for Commander Steel. They could leave out Vibe, though, I don't think anyone would cry about Vibe staying home. :lol:

To me, Vixen's kinda like Plastic Man. Just fine in the context of a group or a team, occasionally pretty solidly awesome. Solo? Ehhhhhh. Some characters weren't made for that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I think you're misunderstanding us; it's not that we don't want the show, it's just that this character is so obscure for we the majority that we're confused why the powers that be aren't going with a more well-known B-lister for a show. Vixen... what is she, D or E list? :trazz:

Well for those of you not wanting the show because you don't know the character why not use this show to check out the character, maybe you'll find out that it's a character that you end up liking...Aren't people always complaining that Batman and only the main JLers appear in animated shows? Well we finally have a show that stars a character that isn't well known and you whine that its not one of the well known ones.

I'm also not a huge fan of the character and only know her from JLU but the Arrowverse is awesome and I'm sure if they chose to give her a chance it's for a reason, hope its good and it does well.

[Leo656]

I'd say C-List with an occasional, but brief elevation to B-List.

She's been a decent fixture in the JLA at times, BUT the editors have also occasionally gone stretches of close to a decade where they forget/ignore she even exists. Never once been seriously attempted as a solo character, though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You have inspired me, good sir, to browse Wikipedia and search for African-American female protagonists who are more well-known and would have been a better choice! :tlol:


Kind of the problem, though. I'm pretty sure they DID in fact use that little "checklist" to decide who the star of the next cartoon would be. Not a huge fan of "affirmative action characters". Point of fact, someone who couldn't even carry her own book probably shouldn't leapfrog a bunch of better-known characters to get their own TV show, all things being truly "Equal".

They didn't pick the show based on whether or not people would be interested in it, but rather, if they could get some brownie points with the PC police. I haaaate when they do that.

You know why I said they'd "Never" do a Booster Gold show? Because he's a blonde-haired, blue-eyed white guy. A guy who can travel through time and to parallel realities, and who's actually off-and-on been a huge, major "player" in the DCU, and whose cartoon show would be super-interesting and hilariously funny, can never and will never have his own show, because his creators accidentally made him an Aryan Wet Dream, thus you can't actually DO anything with him, despite him being a super-interesting character, "Because PC Reasons".

Vixen's fine, she's always been fine in the JLA and she should have honestly been in the JL/JLU show instead of Hawkgirl and a few others really, but it's questionable to give someone who's never been portrayed as a solo character THAT big of a spotlight like a solo cartoon series, and the fact that, yeah, they're doing it for the "wrong" reasons is annoying. I mean I "Get It". It's still not the right reason to give such an obscure character their own show. It's borderline pandering.

You know what I'd honestly rather see? A "Justice League Detroit" series. You still get Vixen, but also in the same context where she initially became important in the first place. I think there's better stories there, what with the team of "B-Listers" struggling to live up to the title of "Justice League" that they inherited from their "superiors" and Vixen struggling to prove herself a capable leader. It'd probably be too similar of a concept to Young Justice but I think it would be pretty good, plus the characters are all pretty obscure so you'd have a little more freedom. Heck, since everyone but Vixen was dead by the end of that book's run you could even get really dark with it if you wanted to. Plus, I've always been a huge mark for Commander Steel. They could leave out Vibe, though, I don't think anyone would cry about Vibe staying home. :lol:

To me, Vixen's kinda like Plastic Man. Just fine in the context of a group or a team, occasionally pretty solidly awesome. Solo? Ehhhhhh. Some characters weren't made for that.

[Leo656]

Oh, by that criteria, she's a "perfect" choice. I just don't think that Those Things should be your starting criteria when developing a cartoon show. :lol:

I'd start with, "Which character has the best story (and toy) potential?" You know who you get? Booster Gold. You win double with that, because you could market awesome "alternate timeline" versions of all the more well-known DC characters for action figures. Alternate sculpts and repaints out the ass. That's the kind of thing animation companies drool over, since all cartoons are just toy commercials. They're always looking for a way to cram those variants and things into a toyline, and with that show, there'd actually be an organic reason for it. And beyond that, did I mention the guy travels through time and protects the Multiverse, and has a wisecracking robot sidekick? It's like all the work has already been done!

But nah. White, blonde, male? Three strikes, you're out. No show for you, Gold. Take your awesome costume and your flawed yet lovable underdog character and your "Doctor Who For People Who Aren't Giant Nerds" storyline and your hilarious robot sidekick, and hit the bricks. There are already Too Many Of You, despite how unique and awesome you actually are when looking past the surface. :lol:

[BabyTurtles]

Ya know...this thinking is just so...infuriating.

so when WILL we get a black female hero getting spotlight?? when WILL we get a Latino female hero?? An Asian hero?? (having their own animated show)

"b-but they were given a chance! They had a solo book that failed!!"

yea sure, sometimes I feel like it wasn't the book that was the problem, it is the fans that aren't willing to give the character a chance JUST because they aren't an A lister.

we will NEVER have any minority heroes get ANY spotlight if we keep wash rinsing and repeating all the already extremely popular heroes. (which surprise, surprise are mostly white)

Static Shock would have never been a show and gain popularity if people were too afraid to try someone else.

at the end of the day Vixen is a character, A cool character. (from what I remember from JLU) I'm tired of everyone saying it's a propaganda! it's a all about PC! Same thing happened with Miles Morales (like anyone is actually gonna convince me that a spider would bite another white male in New York city with how diverse it is.)

but funny how no one would be yelling affirmative action if the character was Question.

[Leo656]

Well some people genuinely Don't Care. I'm sorry but if anyone is going to try and convince me that ANY character from DC's ashcan deserves a cartoon show JUST because they're a minority, you're not going to convince me. Not when Dick Grayson hasn't been Robin for 30 years and can't swing his own show, or when Wonder Woman, the original "affirmative action" character, doesn't "deserve" her own show.

When characters people actually care about and actually have a fanbase get pushed aside, and others get elevated JUST because of their minority status, well, that's actually Just As Big Of A Problem from a different direction.

That's the tricky thing. Not caring about someone's race goes both ways. It means, literally, that you Don't Care. Equal means "equal", not "Better". Vixen is in no way a "better" choice to get her own show just because she happens to be both female and black. She's NOT a solo/leading character! She wasn't even *created* to be that (and, in truth, like Vibe, her very creation came about for some Very Racist And Pandering Reasons). Her "character" in itself is pretty thin, so almost any "characterization" they do is going to be almost entirely made-up for the show.

Again, you have hundreds of characters both well-known and obscure to pick from, and you pick your lead based on the PC Checklist? That's terrible. I shouldn't have to explain why that's Bad.

And honestly, The Question actually would be a much better character to use for a cartoon because both versions of the character were fully-formed solo characters with a semi-decent fanbase. I mean, nobody is asking for that show, either, difference is, nobody is going to "force" it to exist based on race.

Just leave the PC garbage out of it and make good shows people want to see. You can already tell how this one is going to go: Cancelled in one season because nobody really knows the character and there's no toys. People cry about how it only failed because the character was a black female, when it's really because you started the project for entirely nonsense reasons from the beginning. Teeth are gnashed, nobody wins, and they do another six Batman cartoons instead because it's "Safe".

[BabyTurtles]

Just leave the PC garbage out of it and make good shows people want to see. You can already tell how this one is going to go: Cancelled in one season because nobody really knows the character and there's no toys. People cry about how it only failed because the character was a black female, when it's really because you started the project for entirely nonsense reasons from the beginning. Teeth are gnashed, nobody wins, and they do another six Batman cartoons instead because it's "Safe".

Okay, How do you know Vixen's animated series is not gonna be just that?

just because you have a character no one really knows much about doesn't mean the series won't be great.

Static Shock anyone?

[Leo656]

Can't speak to what I haven't seen yet, I didn't have cable when that show was on. I only really found out about it fairly recently. Seems to have lasted a while so that's good for them. I honestly never followed the character much, I really like Black Lightning and Static seemed kind of too similar.

One thing Vixen and Static both have in common, though, is that until their shows were announced, literally nobody ever said, "I really hope someone does (X) as a cartoon." There's still a dozen fairly obscure characters that are nonetheless more well-known than they are, who would get a much better response if someone announced they were doing a cartoon. Power Girl. Zatanna. Lobo. Just spitballing, but I mentioned a bunch of others, earlier. It's not a small list. They're not just going "obscure", with Vixen, they're going waaaaay obscure. And it seems to be for less-than-pure intentions.

I mean, heck, even Black Lightning. That guy's been really popular off and on, and they've always portrayed him as a big deal. Thing is, giving him a solo show wouldn't make a ton of sense, because he's always been part of a group, almost never a solo act. And that's the same thing with Vixen. Some characters weren't created to be Stars. But at least a ton more people actually know who Black Lightning is.

I mean, it'll probably be just fine, she has a rather unique power set and almost all of DCs cartoons are pretty good, but there's a lot of "iffy" decisions going on behind-the-scenes, is all I'm saying. No WAY was she the first choice they came up with. I'd like to know which ideas they passed on before approving this one. I'm curious.

[BabyTurtles]

Can't speak to what I haven't seen yet, I didn't have cable when that show was on. I only really found out about it fairly recently. Seems to have lasted a while so that's good for them. I honestly never followed the character much, I really like Black Lightning and Static seemed kind of too similar.

One thing Vixen and Static both have in common, though, is that until their shows were announced, literally nobody ever said, "I really hope someone does (X) as a cartoon." There's still a dozen fairly obscure characters that are nonetheless more well-known than they are, who would get a much better response if someone announced they were doing a cartoon. Power Girl. Zatanna. Lobo. Just spitballing, but I mentioned a bunch of others, earlier. It's not a small list. They're not just going "obscure", with Vixen, they're going waaaaay obscure. And it seems to be for less-than-pure intentions.

I mean, heck, even Black Lightning. That guy's been really popular off and on, and they've always portrayed him as a big deal. Thing is, giving him a solo show wouldn't make a ton of sense, because he's always been part of a group, almost never a solo act. And that's the same thing with Vixen. Some characters weren't created to be Stars. But at least a ton more people actually know who Black Lightning is.

I mean, it'll probably be just fine, she has a rather unique power set and almost all of DCs cartoons are pretty good, but there's a lot of "iffy" decisions going on behind-the-scenes, is all I'm saying. No WAY was she the first choice they came up with. I'd like to know which ideas they passed on before approving this one. I'm curious.

if Vixen (one of the most well-known black female DC characters) is not "star" material something is wrong.

do you understand what that means? do you get how sad that is?

[Leo656]

It means simply that she wasn't "built" for that? Her entire roster of the JLA from her to Vibe to Gypsy were "scabs". C-Listers. That was the entire point of their creation. Further, they were created JUST to be half-assed "ethnic" characters. Of that group, only Vixen was able to hang and evolve into something of a "real" character. That's already a huge victory. Just ask Vibe. "Chica." :roll:

Leave race out of it entirely. If she was created to be a "back-up player", and has only ever been played that way, and doesn't even really HAVE a character of her own outside of her race (she's basically DC's female version of Black Panther), then WHERE is the sudden logic in making her a Main Solo Character? Aside from pandering, there isn't one. It's literally, "Well, we need a 'Type', or we're gonna get letters, and she's the only one who fits." THAT is wrong. That's an entirely backwards way of telling stories and developing characters. In fact, it's exactly the problem with her creation in the first place - She was literally only created to be "Female And Black", and it took 30 years for her to become "just" a character, and now she's a "Type" again.

That's not progress, it's the opposite! I'm sorry you think it is progress, but it's not. If race really doesn't matter, then they would have picked anyone else to be in the show just for the sake of someone other than hardcore comics fans actually knowing who she is, and in turn actually watching the show. It was not, from purely a common sense/"We want good ratings" perspective, a wise decision. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that Young Justice got canned, and that show was full of recognizable characters. So, after that gets canned, their next attempt is a Vixen solo series? To which most of the potential audience replies, "Who?" That's just... that's so illogical on so many levels.

I've noticed that you do sometimes have a way of bringing race/gender into things despite that not always being the issue. I get that you want things to be "progressive", and that's good. But when things are done and decisions are made for questionable reasons, that's NOT progressive, it's actually kind of ham-fisted and offensive. Like Vibe. Vibe's creation was kind of sincere - more Latino super-heroes, fair enough - but his portrayal was SO goddamn racist they'd have been better off never bothering at all. Nobody was ASKING for that character, DC just *thought* they were doing a good thing and instead they made a big mistake that even their own staff were pissed over. The guy drawing the book, who was Latino, asked to be taken off the book because the Vibe character was so blatantly, stereotypically, cartoonishly portrayed. "But it came from a good place! People wanted more minority characters! We were just trying to help!" One step forward, two giant steps backwards.

Vixen, if you didn't know, came out of the exact same pitch meeting. A pitch meeting that more or less began with, "So, we need to sell more comics to non-whites. How can we do that in the absolute broadest way possible with the least amount of actual effort?" So let's not give them credit they don't deserve for their clumsy, awkward, bumbling attempts to expand the diversity of their super-hero cast. They've done okay at times and failed miserably at others. But they fail the most spectacularly when they go to great lengths to point out how "Important" it is that the character in question isn't white.

So, AGAIN, if we leave race out of it, Vixen still doesn't warrant her own show simply Because She Exists. Neither does Hawkgirl, Aqualad, Elongated Man, Starfire, Cyborg, Steel, The Eradicator, The Ray, Damage, Black Condor, Maxima, Ms. Martian, Max Mercury, Mr. Terrific, Dr. Mid-Nite, or Wildcat. Those are some of my favorite DC characters (and a few I just kind of like). Some are black, some are white, some are girls, and I'm pretty sure Black Condor was most recently a Native American. They're all awesome, and a few of them even had their own books off and on. You know what they're NOT, though? SOLO STARS. They weren't created to be anything but Team Players, and none of them are going to get their own cartoon show anytime soon, even though some of those would be amaaazing. Now, I'd love to see any of them in a show as part of their respective teams, like the Titans, the JSA, The Outsiders, etc. None of them make ANY sense as the star of their own series. At all. And neither does Vixen, IF we're being totally objective about it.

It's not about the race. It's that she's a C-List Back-Up Player by her very design. Her character is very thin, don't do a show JUST about her, simple. Like I said before, do "Justice League Detroit" and make her the team leader? I'm down, I'd LOVE to see that show, just because they're never going to do that show. Heck, if they're going to play the race card, as I mentioned earlier, that book was mostly "ethnic" heroes, and a cartoon version could actually be a lot *better* because those characters would surely be written much better now than they were 30 years ago. They could "fix" the mistakes they made years ago and actually maybe redeem some of that material (which was actually pretty good when it wasn't being Accidentally Racist). There are Good Reasons to do that show.

A show *just* about Vixen, though? She's one of many characters that just doesn't have that kind of clout. It's nothing personal and it's not about race. It's that her being a "Type" is very likely the only reason they're doing the show. And THAT is "sad". We're supposed to be past that kind of thinking.

Nobody is ever going to convince me one character is "better" or "more deserving" than another JUST because of race or gender. If all things are truly "Equal" and "those things don't matter", then they completely don't and shouldn't matter.

Keep in mind, in all likelihood I'm going to see the show even if it's not religiously. And I've spoken in favor of More Vixen many, many times, mostly in the JLU cartoons. I'm curious about it. I'll most likely buy the DVD, and I haven't even seen it yet. But I don't like their apparent reasons for choosing this particular character over so many potential others.

[BabyTurtles]

It means simply that she wasn't "built" for that? Her entire roster of the JLA from her to Vibe to Gypsy were "scabs". C-Listers. That was the entire point of their creation. Further, they were created JUST to be half-assed "ethnic" characters. Of that group, only Vixen was able to hang and evolve into something of a "real" character. That's already a huge victory. Just ask Vibe. "Chica." :roll:

looks like DC needs to try harder to write better minority characters.
Just because they were made wrong doesn't mean they should be shafted...it means they need to be changed and written better. We can't simply discard characters like Vibe because that would mean less representation....just try again.

Leave race out of it entirely. If she was created to be a "back-up player", and has only ever been played that way, and doesn't even really HAVE a character of her own outside of her race (she's basically DC's female version of Black Panther), then WHERE is the sudden logic in making her a Main Solo Character? Aside from pandering, there isn't one. It's literally, "Well, we need a 'Type', or we're gonna get letters, and she's the only one who fits." THAT is wrong. That's an entirely backwards way of telling stories and developing characters. In fact, it's exactly the problem with her creation in the first place - She was literally only created to be "Female And Black", and it took 30 years for her to become "just" a character, and now she's a "Type" again

wait....Vixen has no personality or background? Why is she labeled "the female black girl?" Is it because they aren't many or something?
just because I feel her race is important, I don't want that to be all she's about.

That's not progress, it's the opposite! I'm sorry you think it is progress, but it's not. If race really doesn't matter, then they would have picked anyone else to be in the show just for the sake of someone other than hardcore comics fans actually knowing who she is.

Race is important. I've been saying it all day.
I'm sure they picked her because she's a black female and I'm glad they did. It's called representation and that's always and will forever be important.

of course she's also a cool character~ so BONUS! :D

I've noticed that you do sometimes have a way of bringing race/gender into things despite that not always being the issue. I get that you want things to be "progressive", and that's good. But when things are done and decisions are made for questionable reasons, that's NOT progressive, it's actually kind of ham-fisted and offensive. Like Vibe. Vibe's creation was kind of sincere - more Latino super-heroes, fair enough - but his portrayal was SO goddamn racist they'd have been better off never bothering at all. Nobody was ASKING for that character, DC just *thought* they were doing a good thing and instead they made a big mistake that even their own staff were pissed over. The guy drawing the book, who was Latino, asked to be taken off the book because the Vibe character was so blatantly, stereotypically, cartoonishly portrayed. "But it came from a good place! People wanted more minority characters! We were just trying to help!" One step forward, two giant steps backwards.

yup, people are bound to mess up, but that doesn't mean you stop making diverse characters that just means you learn from your mistake and try again.

It also means you re-write the characters for the better. (re-boot them!)

but if you stop trying....that's when we should worry.

Vixen, if you didn't know, came out of the exact same pitch meeting. A pitch meeting that more or less began with, "So, we need to sell more comics to non-whites. How can we do that in the absolute broadest way possible with the least amount of actual effort?" So let's not give them credit they don't deserve for their clumsy, awkward, bumbling attempts to expand the diversity of their super-hero cast. They've done okay at times and failed miserably at others. But they fail the most spectacularly when they go to great lengths to point out how "Important" it is that the character in question isn't white.

uh huh that's probably how it went, but in the end we got a black female character and today we are getting a show about said black female character, so in the end it was a good thing that they created her even if it was for the wrong reasons.

So, AGAIN, if we leave race out of it, Vixen still doesn't warrant her own show simply because She Exists. Neither does Hawkgirl, Aqualad, Elongated Man, Starfire, Cyborg, Steel, The Eradicator, The Ray, Damage, Black Condor, Maxima, Ms. Martian, Max Mercury, Mr. Terrific, Dr. Mid-Nite, or Wildcat. Those are some of my favorite DC characters (and a few I just kind of like). Some are black, some are white, some are girls, and I'm pretty sure Black Condor was most recently a Native American. They're all awesome, and a few of them even had their own books off and on. You know what they're NOT, though? SOLO STARS. They weren't created to be anything but Team Players, and none of them are going to get their own cartoon show anytime soon, even though some of those would be amaaazing. Now, I'd love to see any of them in a show as part of their respective teams, like the Titans, the JSA, The Outsiders, etc. None of them make ANY sense as the star of their own series. At all. And neither does Vixen, IF we're being totally objective about it.

well how do we know if these characters can stand on their own unless we give them a chance.

Static Shock! again.......

It's not about the race. It's that she's a C-List Back-Up Player by her very design. Her character is very thin, don't do a show JUST about her, simple. Like I said before, do "Justice League Detroit" and make her the team leader? I'm down, I'd LOVE to see that show, just because they're never going to do that show. Heck, if they're going to play the race card, as I mentioned earlier, that book was mostly "ethnic" heroes, and a cartoon version could actually be a lot *better* because those characters would surely be written much better now than they were 30 years ago. They could "fix" the mistakes they made years ago and actually maybe redeem some of that material (which was actually pretty good when it wasn't being Accidentally Racist). There are Good Reasons to do that show.

Justice league of detroit?? No thank you.

Vixen can have her own show. She doesn't need to be on a team for the rest of her life. Same with Wonderwomen, she doesn't need to be on a team either.

You don't gain popularity be staying in the same place!

if Green Lantern, and Flash can have a series by themselves so can they.
(WonderWomen did kinda have her own live action show though.)

A show *just* about Vixen, though? She's one of many characters that just doesn't have that kind of clout. It's nothing personal and it's not about race. It's that her being a "Type" is very likely the only reason they're doing the show. And THAT is "sad". We're supposed to be past that kind of thinking.

It's a risk and I'm glad they are trying it.

Nobody is ever going to convince me one character is "better" or "more deserving" than another JUST because of race or gender. If all things are truly "Equal" and "those things don't matter", then they completely don't and shouldn't matter

please nothing is equal.
if race didn't matter people wouldn't have complained so much about Miles Morales. (bunch of babies)

look Vixen is a neat character let's hope her show does well so maybe she can move up and stand on her own~

[Ninjinister]

What the flip is going on here? WAYYYYYY too much drama for a bloody web series.

S**t, you know what the only thought in my head was when I read the announcement? "Oh cool it's gonna be in-continuity with Arrow and Flash". That's literally it.

Y'alls overthink your superheroes.

[Leo656]

Ninjinister: Occasionally. :lol: It's not as heated as it seems, least I don't think so.

BT: Well, you apparently care more about race/gender than I do. I just want a good show that's done JUST to be a good show, not so the creators can pat themselves on the back about how awesome they are. Be real, they're not trying to Save The World or anything.

And again, exactly WHO says every character ever made deserves to be center stage, especially if that was never their intended role? I like Max Mercury. A Lot. There's never any reason to do a Max Mercury show, because he's 99/100 the same as Flash, and he only exists to be a back-up character to The Flash. He's interesting. You can tell some good stories with him. But only a few of them. Because after that, he's Exactly The Same As The Flash, and if you have one, you don't Need the other. He's great in Small Doses. That's most characters.

Vixen, for her part, is SUCH a supporting cast member, that if you skim her wikipedia page, you'll see that Every Major Story she's ever had, was about her Joining a team, or Leaving a team. That's literally all she does! :lol: That doesn't have to be "Bad". 99% of characters in comics Do Not deserve their own book, show, or movie. You can still do good stories with them, but a lot of times they're not really very good on their own. So, what's wrong with keeping them in situations where they thrive? Frankly, I wouldn't even mind a team-up show that wasn't the "Big Seven" Justice League or the Teen Titans. JLU was a good step in the right direction, as was Brave and the Bold, but too limiting because the "real" stars were ever-present. If you're serious about elevating B-Listers and C-Listers, why not "elevate" a bunch of them at once? What would be wrong with doing Justice League Detroit? Have you read it? SOME of it was really good, especially how it ended (Spoiler: Almost Everyone Died). They were able to get away with a lot just because they WERE using C-Listers, and at its best it was really interesting. SOME of it sucked but that's true of anything.

My original point still stands. If you HAVE to pick an obscure character to make a cartoon show out of, and they're not already proven to have the chops to carry their own story, then pick one more than a handful of people have heard of.

[BabyTurtles]

Ninjinister: Occasionally. :lol: It's not as heated as it seems, least I don't think so.

BT: Well, you apparently care more about race/gender than I do. I just want a good show that's done JUST to be a good show, not so the creators can pat themselves on the back about how awesome they are. Be real, they're not trying to Save The World or anything.

And again, exactly WHO says every character ever made deserves to be center stage, especially if that was never their intended role? I like Max Mercury. A Lot. There's never any reason to do a Max Mercury show, because he's 99/100 the same as Flash, and he only exists to be a back-up character to The Flash. He's interesting. You can tell some good stories with him. But only a few of them. Because after that, he's Exactly The Same As The Flash, and if you have one, you don't Need the other. He's great in Small Doses. That's most characters.

Vixen, for her part, is SUCH a supporting cast member, that if you skim her wikipedia page, you'll see that Every Major Story she's ever had, was about her Joining a team, or Leaving a team. That's literally all she does! :lol: That doesn't have to be "Bad". 99% of characters in comics Do Not deserve their own book, show, or movie. You can still do good stories with them, but a lot of times they're not really very good on their own. So, what's wrong with keeping them in situations where they thrive? Frankly, I wouldn't even mind a team-up show that wasn't the "Big Seven" Justice League or the Teen Titans. JLU was a good step in the right direction, as was Brave and the Bold, but too limiting because the "real" stars were ever-present. If you're serious about elevating B-Listers and C-Listers, why not "elevate" a bunch of them at once? What would be wrong with doing Justice League Detroit? Have you read it? SOME of it was really good, especially how it ended (Spoiler: Almost Everyone Died). They were able to get away with a lot just because they WERE using C-Listers, and at its best it was really interesting. SOME of it sucked but that's true of anything.

My original point still stands. If you HAVE to pick an obscure character to make a cartoon show out of, and they're not already proven to have the chops to carry their own story, then pick one more than a handful of people have heard of.

I'm not getting mad either :3 we are just debating Ninjinister

I'll just go down the paragraphs~

1) I do care about race XD because it makes me happy~ Seeing someone that looks like you kicking butt is awesome! it's like a crazy jolt of happiness! it's just nice ya know~ All my life I learned to see myself in any hero because there weren't alot of heroes that looked like me anyway, but when I came across a hero that does.....it feels good, especially if they are getting their own series! I know it's a little sappy...but it's so much easier to image yourself as a hero when you look like them.

I know others also feel this way...so I will always look forward to diverse characters.


and of course I want Vixen to be written well! I don't want them to just stick her in there and be like "here's a black girl....be happy."

2) I didn't say every character HAS to have a series about them, I just said any character can get their chance.

3) but Vixen CAN become important. Just because her character has been fueled by other character doesn't mean it can't change. It's obviously changing now.

4) eh, I knew nothing about guardians of the galaxy and I gave that a shot and was happy. I'll give any obscure hero a shot XD

let's be serious...if it's gonna be animated who wouldn't give the hero a chance?? XD

[Leo656]

I think the longer this goes the more I feel like what I'm more annoyed about, is the fact that a LOT of interesting C-Listers won't get their own show because their respective teams don't have the name brand of the "real" Justice League. Some characters are just plain better off on a team, and some of the better ones - Justice League International, The Outsiders, Suicide Squad - probably won't see an animated adaptation in the near future, and thus, neither will their respective characters. I mean even if you wanted to, you couldn't give every single one of them their own show. But I'd settle for more Team shows. I mean, there are so many team shows to begin with it can't be that hard. It's just like JLA/Titans is all they think they can "sell". Because I really would like to see some of those characters get more play, too... just not in Starring Roles. If they're not built for it it's really hard to pull it off.

I admit, as far as super-hero race relations I'm too far removed from it to be so attached to it. I never read comics at a time when those characters didn't exist, they were already there by the time I showed up, even the ones that weren't done so well. I can see where you're coming from, I'm just so completely neutral on it that I can see from a mile away when they're doing something to pander, and I'm just not a fan of that particular approach. I can see wanting to see oneself in the material, I just never really read comics that way. I never really cared that Black Lightning was, indeed, black, I just always thought his power set was "Holy Sh*t" levels of bad-ass, what with being able to generate and manipulate electricity. Then there was that time he kick-started Superman's heart after he "died" from Kryptonite poisoning. A guy who can do stuff like that seems genuinely handy to have around. :lol:

...But HE never got to be in any of the Justice League cartoons. :tgrumble: That always bugged me. They'd go to huge lengths to make up someone else who was "Just Like But Not Quite Black Lightning". I'm like, "Just Use That Guy!" :lol: "Black Vulcan"... geeeeet outta here.

I'unno, I honestly never thought much about who was what race until I had the internet. I mean, Fire was from Brazil, Vixen was black, Katana was Japanese... that's just how it always was and I never thought twice about it. No, not a ton of them were Superman or Batman level, but then who is? They were a big part of the stories they did appear in and as long as they were played well I never gave anyone's ethnicity a second thought. ((Shrug))

That accent on Vibe, though... even at 7 years old I had some reservations about that. :lol:

[BabyTurtles]

:3 it was nice talking to you Leo656

on another note for anyone that doesn't know much about Vixen (power-wise)

here's a cool video of her kicking butt and taking names XD
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[Leo656]

It's always nice to have a little debate going, if only to prove conclusively that it doesn't HAVE to end up an argument. :)

You, you're good, you.

[BabyTurtles]

It's always nice to have a little debate going, if only to prove conclusively that it doesn't HAVE to end up an argument. :)

You, you're good, you.

I know right :D
Who needs a sour argument?

peace and love is where it's at!

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[sdp]

What do Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy and Green Arrow have in common? Before their respective shows/movies they were B to D grade heroes until their respective shows and now they are household names to the average Joe. Here we have a character whose superpowers are not the usual kind we get in shows, she's black and a woman also two things we don't normally get, its a breath of fresh air. Yes I'd love a Hawkgirl show or whatever but whose to say she deserved the show more than Vixen? If the show is terrible then alright I can agree but why did GotG get a movie before a much more well known hero like Black panther?

[Leo656]

I'll grant you that most nobody ever knew/cared about Guardians, but Iron Man and Green Arrow were at least HUGELY popular among comics fans. What makes them different from Vixen is that, in her case, even most comics fans have very little idea who she is.

I know, "If they don't try to elevate a character we'll never know if they can," but it doesn't deter my original point that when you pick a character that even the hardcores have to look up, it's a questionable choice on at least some level.

It's like getting a "practical" gift for Christmas. "Hey, this is neat. I mean, I like it. I can use it. But I definitely didn't ask for it, and I probably never would have... but yeah, it's not bad or anything, thanks." It's just never going to mean as much or be received as well as something you actively wanted/asked for/pursued/etc.

[sdp]

Iron Man was still a nobody to the mainstream audience, it didn't matter if he was comic book popular, that doesn't mean jack with the mainstream. Would you had given a chance for Green Arrow of all characters to start this DCTV Universe?
If anything the Arrowverse has already proven itself that it can do things correctly, I don't see how this is anything but a good announcement, sure I'd be more excited for an animated series based on another person but this doesn't meant his one was a bad choice, wait until you see it. In fact its likely the only reason we're even getting this show at all is because it was pitched as a black woman superhero cartoon which is something that hasn't been done before instead of another generic superhero which are a dime a dozen.

[Leo656]

What I'm saying is, whether those characters had "mainstream" cred or not, they at LEAST had a reputation with People Who Were Actually Going To Watch The Show Anyway. Whether or not they had to win over any non-fans, they STILL had a guaranteed, built-in audience they could build on.

Vixen doesn't have that. People "like" her, but she's not anyone's "favorite character". She's crazy obscure even to people who read the books. That's why it's a "questionable" move. I really don't see what's so complicated about this. To YOU, it "makes sense" for "social justice warrior"-type reasons. Fine, but that doesn't mean it actually does make sense from a logic or business perspective. It's just, "Eh, let's throw some sh*t at the wall."

It's seriously not complicated. Those other characters at least had a dedicated fanbase before they went "mainstream". Not this one. If they picked almost ANY other character, it would have been a "smarter" choice. That's the facts whether you agree with them or not.

[BabyTurtles]

Hey...anyone know how long these episodes are gonna be?

I'm already sad that this animated series is only gonna be 6 episodes....but it would be more of a bummer if each episode is only like...5 minutes long.

...T_T I hope they are at least 20-something minutes.....(regular episode length)

[Leo656]

Yeah, it'd be nice if they at least put some meat on it. It's really gonna be silly and pointless if it's just a couple of quickies.

[BabyTurtles]

Yeah, it'd be nice if they at least put some meat on it. It's really gonna be silly and pointless if it's just a couple of quickies.

T___T .....I want these to be as long as they can!

(hour long episodes would be aweeeeesssommme~.....but that'd be a miracle!)

In the end though....I'll take whatever~ just make the characters interesting and the action scenes entertaining~

[Leo656]

:lol: If they took every adventure Vixen ever had where she wasn't standing next to a dozen other characters, they STILL wouldn't have enough material for even one hour-long episode. :lol: That's kind of the "problem".

I mean, yeah, they can and probably will just make up any ol' thang, but these projects usually rely heavily on pre-existing material from the books. So, again, simply by it being Vixen, they're kind of in a hole where they have to do way more work than they'd have to do if it was, say, Blue Beetle instead. It's always better, or at least Easier, when you have Too Much story to try and adapt than Too Little.

We'll see what they do, though.

[BabyTurtles]

:lol: If they took every adventure Vixen ever had where she wasn't standing next to a dozen other characters, they STILL wouldn't have enough material for even one hour-long episode. :lol: That's kind of the "problem".

I mean, yeah, they can and probably will just make up any ol' thang, but these projects usually rely heavily on pre-existing material from the books. So, again, simply by it being Vixen, they're kind of in a hole where they have to do way more work than they'd have to do if it was, say, Blue Beetle instead. It's always better, or at least Easier, when you have Too Much story to try and adapt than Too Little.

We'll see what they do, though.

Well I don't know alot about Vixen anyway (except for JLU)

so whatever backstory they pull or make up I'll gladly accept~

making up stories isn't that hard really~ (in fact it's kinda fun to start with a blank canvas)

I'm sure they can pull off hour long episodes~ The Flash and Green Arrow are gonna play a part in the series so it will be fun to watch them together.

still...an hour long most likely won't happen anyway....I just want a normal episode length.

[Raph's Girl]

Hey...anyone know how long these episodes are gonna be?

Unfortunatly most of the stuff on The Seed are like 6 - 7 min long. There's a Veronica Mars spin-off on there that's currently up to 9 episodes. They're ALL short like that. :ohwell:

[BabyTurtles]

Unfortunatly most of the stuff on The Seed are like 6 - 7 min long. There's a Veronica Mars spin-off on there that's currently up to 9 episodes. They're ALL short like that. :ohwell:

NOOOO!!
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[sdp]

Vixen doesn't have that. People "like" her, but she's not anyone's "favorite character". She's crazy obscure even to people who read the books. That's why it's a "questionable" move. I really don't see what's so complicated about this. To YOU, it "makes sense" for "social justice warrior"-type reasons. Fine, but that doesn't mean it actually does make sense from a logic or business perspective. It's just, "Eh, let's throw some sh*t at the wall."

It's seriously not complicated. Those other characters at least had a dedicated fanbase before they went "mainstream". Not this one. If they picked almost ANY other character, it would have been a "smarter" choice. That's the facts whether you agree with them or not.

You're playing armchair CEO of a company of an industry you don't understand. You can bet there were a lot of decisions taken to give this obscure unknown black female hero a cartoon and reasons why it was chosen over other heroes, I already told you my personal theories on why they probably didn't choose any other heroes for this animated show, its a risk they're willing to take and they want to go with a market they've never tried to tap before, it was either this or NO cartoon of any superhero whatsoever since they weren't interested.

Hell I didn't really want a Vixen cartoon and would've wanted another but based on the quality of the other DC shows the CW has done and they're willing to introduce cool stuff that isn't as popular makes me happy to check it out. Seems like you're only mad because they aren't making a cartoon of a superhero you like.

[TurtleTitan97]

Katie Cassidy (Black Canary) posted this on Facebook. Judging by the artstyle compared to the first two images, some are speculating this is for the Vixen show.

https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11156200_882834161774282_6417890667707374588_n.jpg ?oh=3eb57a848289fecb123cd9808a955337&oe=55CD9B19

[M.O.D.O.K.]

I'm liking Black Canary's design, but Oliver looks worse. The eyes are all messed up, the bow and arrow are too small, and he needs some gloves.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I do NOT like that art style. At all.

That looks nothing like what they posted of Vixen.

[TurtleTitan97]

A sneak peek of Vixen will be shown at San Diego Comic Con's Hall H on July 11: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=121623

[BabyTurtles]

A sneak peek of Vixen will be shown at San Diego Comic Con's Hall H on July 11: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=121623

yes yes yes!!!!

[TurtleTitan97]

The first official description:

Originally from Africa, Mari McCabe’s parents were killed by local greed, corruption, and wanton violence. But the orphaned Mari refuses to succumb to the terrors surrounding her. Inheriting her family’s Tantu Totem, Mari can access the powers of animals-anything from the super-strength of a gorilla to the speed of a cheetah. As Vixen, she fights valiantly to protect the world from threats like those that claimed her family. This six-episode series debuting on CW Seed this fall, featuring the voices of Stephen Amell (Arrow) , Grant Gustin (The Flash) , Emily Bett Rickards (Arrow) , and Carlos Valdes (The Flash) . It follows Mari’s path as she first learns to embrace her incredible abilities and discovers the source of the mysterious Tantu Totem’s power.

http://bamsmackpow.com/2015/06/28/sdcc-2015-comic-con-schedule-for-saturday-july-11-2015/

It also looks like they've gone back and did some minor changes to the designs since the first promo images:

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/11540900_741444845966530_136224244600920959_n.png? oh=c2c1741ade9c4a9ad6f62a3e82136ef5&oe=563302D3

[TurtleTitan97]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=122340

Megalyn Echikunwoke will voice Vixen

[BabyTurtles]

The first official description:



http://bamsmackpow.com/2015/06/28/sdcc-2015-comic-con-schedule-for-saturday-july-11-2015/

It also looks like they've gone back and did some minor changes to the designs since the first promo images:

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p720x720/11540900_741444845966530_136224244600920959_n.png? oh=c2c1741ade9c4a9ad6f62a3e82136ef5&oe=563302D3

sweet! I like her tiger stripes ^_^

[Raph's Girl]

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/markcassidycbm/news/?a=122340

Megalyn Echikunwoke will voice Vixen

Looked up some info on Megalyn. Her grandfather's a leader of the Igbo tribe in Nigeria.

Fun fact: Actor Chiwetel Ejiofor who was cast as Baron Mordo in Doctor Strange is ALSO of the Igbo tribe!

[TurtleTitan97]

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[BabyTurtles]

C6rSM_0L5pk

YESSSSSS!!!
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I'm ready.

[Raph's Girl]

Sisco!! Stop naming things!! Yeesh!! :P

[BabyTurtles]

Since I'm hyped for Vixen I drew a little drawing of Vixen~ ^_^ Can't wait for the show!

https://40.media.tumblr.com/046fbec2a8aacca084663db5331779ec/tumblr_nrozfavVOu1rmjp1so1_540.jpg

also anyone notice the Lion shadow around 28 seconds in the vid? pretty cool~

[BabyTurtles]

here's some new footage~ Vixen looking strong~

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[Leo656]

Not for nothin' but it's bizarre how pale she is. That's... not what she looks like, traditionally. :lol: I kinda don't like that, it's kind of like they don't think people would like the character if she was "really" black the way she's supposed to be.

I'unno. Over-thinking it I know. :lol: I just know when I looked at that I had no idea that was supposed to be her at first and that's odd.

EDIT: Actually it looks like it's just the lighting in some of the shots doing that. Still weird though. The art style is nice but the coloring is... "weird" and kind of washed-out.

[CyberCubed]

Her skin is much noticeable lighter than it was back on Justice League Unlimited.

[BabyTurtles]

Not for nothin' but it's bizarre how pale she is. That's... not what she looks like, traditionally. :lol: I kinda don't like that, it's kind of like they don't think people would like the character if she was "really" black the way she's supposed to be.

I'unno. Over-thinking it I know. :lol: I just know when I looked at that I had no idea that was supposed to be her at first and that's odd.

EDIT: Actually it looks like it's just the lighting in some of the shots doing that. Still weird though. The art style is nice but the coloring is... "weird" and kind of washed-out.

Yea...that's my only complaint...she was really dark in JLA.....

but with diversity....we can't be too picky sadly. :ohwell: *sigh*

[Leo656]

She originally grew up in Africa in the comics, so... yeah, not to be "weird" about it, but, she'd definitely be a LOT darker than that.

It's a dirty little secret of the entertainment industry that they prefer heroic characters to be an "acceptable" level of black, in both appearance and behavior. Sounds awful but I swear to you it's true. I don't get it frankly; I get why it started a long time ago but you'd hope we were over it now. In this kind of case, in particular, it kind of gets into "why bother?" territory. Her heritage is like 90% of her character; really undermines the whole thing if you go out of your way to "lighten her up", in my opinion.

I can imagine the conversation behind it, though. It's tough to get a show approved with either a female lead or a minority lead. A show with both, something's gotta give. That's just way to much "progressiveness" all at once for the average entertainment executive to wrap their heads around.

Ah well. The art on the whole is pretty nice though.

[BabyTurtles]

She originally grew up in Africa in the comics, so... yeah, not to be "weird" about it, but, she'd definitely be a LOT darker than that.

It's a dirty little secret of the entertainment industry that they prefer heroic characters to be an "acceptable" level of black, in both appearance and behavior. Sounds awful but I swear to you it's true. I don't get it frankly; I get why it started a long time ago but you'd hope we were over it now. In this kind of case, in particular, it kind of gets into "why bother?" territory. Her heritage is like 90% of her character; really undermines the whole thing if you go out of your way to "lighten her up", in my opinion.

I can imagine the conversation behind it, though. It's tough to get a show approved with either a female lead or a minority lead. A show with both, something's gotta give. That's just way to much "progressiveness" all at once for the average entertainment executive to wrap their heads around.

Ah well. The art on the whole is pretty nice though.

yea...seriously sucks....I mean I showed this to my mom (we are black) and she instantly asked if she was half white. I told her she was straight from Africa and both her parents were black (unless I missed something) and she said "yea sure." :D LOL My mom is light skinned herself...but this vixen's skin is probably the only thing that makes her black...so making that light isn't really helping.....

but...if you complain too much then they are gonna think we just don't want a black female lead....so...we gotta watch and make sure they know we want diversity, cause representation is important....all we can do is hope they see the problem and do better in the future (that rare chance we even get another animated black hero show)

the art is nice~ I'm glad it looks like Young Justice~ and she does look like she can kick a lot of butt!

[Raph's Girl]

here's some new footage~ Vixen looking strong~

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Arrow: "Stop!"
Vixen: "I know, I know. I failed my city!" :lol:

Can't wait for Tuesday! :D

Vixen looks more hispanic than anything else...

[Leo656]

Yeah, I could see that. She's pretty off-model on the whole. Well-drawn but it really doesn't look like her at all.

She's got the necklace, the rest is just whatever. :lol:

[BabyTurtles]

Yeah, I could see that. She's pretty off-model on the whole. Well-drawn but it really doesn't look like her at all.

She's got the necklace, the rest is just whatever. :lol:

If she looked more like this...it would have been nice... (except with shorter hair)
https://41.media.tumblr.com/fb9788c93b0d2cf6625737bba62dfd71/tumblr_ntcfxiySuM1qdtkwzo1_500.png

[Leo656]

I'm generally just a bigger fan of her 80s look because that's the period where I followed her the most because of Justice League. I don't think the haircut would make the cut nowadays, though. :lol: But the 80s costume with the 2008 haircut would also be fine. Her modern outfits are definitely "eye-catching" and that's just fine with me, for sure, but it also doesn't seem like the kind of thing that character would actually wear. She never seemed all that "showy", back in the day, so it seemed odd to see her suddenly rocking the shirt cut to the navel and cleavage everywhere.

Not at all complaining, mind you. Just never seemed like a costume choice that specific character would have made for herself. :lol:

[BabyTurtles]

I'm generally just a bigger fan of her 80s look because that's the period where I followed her the most because of Justice League. I don't think the haircut would make the cut nowadays, though. :lol: But the 80s costume with the 2008 haircut would also be fine. Her modern outfits are definitely "eye-catching" and that's just fine with me, for sure, but it also doesn't seem like the kind of thing that character would actually wear. She never seemed all that "showy", back in the day, so it seemed odd to see her suddenly rocking the shirt cut to the navel and cleavage everywhere.

Not at all complaining, mind you. Just never seemed like a costume choice that specific character would have made for herself. :lol:

All I know is her JLA costume (and anything that resembles that)....and that one never appealed to me. (cause it's too revealing....I know I can't help it)

I don't mind this new one though (with the tiger stripes) it looks good to me.
It's just her I have the problem with.

[Leo656]

You never read JLA Detroit Vixen? That's like the character's Golden Age. After that she did a ton of nothing for about 15 years, then got a little push about 8 years ago but didn't actually do a whole lot, so... yeah 80s Vixen is pretty much the high point.
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy132/dcbloodlines/1989MayfairGamesDCHeroesVixenCharacterCardFront.jp g

Not altogether too different from the newer look - she's actually had a lot of costumes - but even though it's kind of "flashy" it's still within reason and pretty standard for comic book fashion of the day. They basically removed the whole top half of her outfit and replaced it with suspenders when they brought her back a few years ago. :lol: I don't pay attention to New 52 more than a little bit so I have zero idea what she's been wearing lately.

I think they'd definitely have to update the "Flock of Seagulls" haircut she used to have but the 80s costume still holds up. :lol:

[BabyTurtles]

You never read JLA Detroit Vixen? That's like the character's Golden Age. After that she did a ton of nothing for about 15 years, then got a little push about 8 years ago but didn't actually do a whole lot, so... yeah 80s Vixen is pretty much the high point.
http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy132/dcbloodlines/1989MayfairGamesDCHeroesVixenCharacterCardFront.jp g

Not altogether too different from the newer look - she's actually had a lot of costumes - but even though it's kind of "flashy" it's still within reason and pretty standard for comic book fashion of the day. They basically removed the whole top half of her outfit and replaced it with suspenders when they brought her back a few years ago. :lol: I don't pay attention to New 52 more than a little bit so I have zero idea what she's been wearing lately.

I think they'd definitely have to update the "Flock of Seagulls" haircut she used to have but the 80s costume still holds up. :lol:

whoa...those shoes........dat hair. (reminds me of wolverine)

I think her batman brave and the bold outfit looked pretty good~ (except that collar....so high.......so popped)
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110728183606/marvel_dc/images/f/f7/Vixen_BTBATB_01.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Vixen,_animated.jpg

plus I like black lipstick~ and her top isn't too revealing...

[Leo656]

Popped collars are the bomb, you're too young to know any better so I'll let that comment slide. :lol: Vixen, Deadman, Booster Gold and Nightwing all disagree with you about popped collars, and we'll just leave it at that.

http://www.brendanmckillip.com/blog/images/NightwingOld2.jpg
Never NOT bad-ass. It actually takes a REAL man to pull off that kind of sh*t in the first place. :tcool:

[BabyTurtles]

Popped collars are the bomb, you're too young to know any better so I'll let that comment slide. :lol: Vixen, Deadman, Booster Gold and Nightwing all disagree with you about popped collars, and we'll just leave it at that.

http://www.brendanmckillip.com/blog/images/NightwingOld2.jpg
Never NOT bad-ass. It actually takes a REAL man to pull off that kind of sh*t in the first place. :tcool:

My youth curses me :(.....I cannot see a popped collar as anything but uncool...

Your wise older mind thinks this
http://33.media.tumblr.com/97b372ef34b60717a9cfff60b9aaa99e/tumblr_nmxvjyKHhB1r3f7q1o1_540.gif

While my youth thinks this
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/theamazingworldofgumball/images/9/90/The_Safety_13.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width/640?cb=20150206161702

[snake]

Popped collars are f*cking rad

Up there with single shoulder pads, leather jackets, and blue and red 3d glasses for me

[Leo656]

My youth curses me :(.....I cannot see a popped collar as anything but uncool...

Your wise older mind thinks this
http://33.media.tumblr.com/97b372ef34b60717a9cfff60b9aaa99e/tumblr_nmxvjyKHhB1r3f7q1o1_540.gif

While my youth thinks this
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/theamazingworldofgumball/images/9/90/The_Safety_13.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width/640?cb=20150206161702

Blasphemy. If I happened to bother wearing collared shirts I'd be popping my collar right now in defiance of your insolence.

Popped collars are f*cking rad

Up there with single shoulder pads, leather jackets, and blue and red 3d glasses for me

This dude gets it! :lol:

Meanwhile...
http://pre06.deviantart.net/f0d1/th/pre/i/2012/123/4/8/booster_gold_by_wil_woods-d4yebyx.jpg

Yeah, pretty sure I win. :tgrin: Booooooooooosterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Gooooooooooooollllllllllllllld!!!! :trazz: :trazz::trazz:

[BabyTurtles]

Blasphemy. If I happened to bother wearing collared shirts I'd be popping my collar right now in defiance of your insolence.



This dude gets it! :lol:

Meanwhile...
http://pre06.deviantart.net/f0d1/th/pre/i/2012/123/4/8/booster_gold_by_wil_woods-d4yebyx.jpg

Yeah, pretty sure I win. :tgrin: Booooooooooosterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Gooooooooooooollllllllllllllld!!!! :trazz: :trazz::trazz:

Well I can't beat that, I surrender.

seriously though he doesn't look that bad XD

[Leo656]

He is Legend. Greatest of all time. Literally. All Hail.

[Raph's Girl]

He is Legend. Greatest of all time. Literally. All Hail.

And his son is a timelord/master this winter on Legends of Tomorrow! :D

[BabyTurtles]

Just a reminder~ Vixen airs tomorrow (Tuesday 8/25)

[Raph's Girl]

Just a reminder~ Vixen airs tomorrow (Tuesday 8/25)

The episode will probably be up at midnight ET tho.

[BabyTurtles]

Saw the first episode~

...ARRGG...it was too short....

[Raph's Girl]

Just as I feared. Only 5 min long. *sighs* Ah well... it was an interesting start at least.

[BabyTurtles]

Just as I feared. Only 5 min long. *sighs* Ah well... it was an interesting start at least.

Yea...I felt like they cut out some of the action to squeeze it all in there.
But Vixen was pretty cool nonetheless ^_^ I like her attitude.

Still...wish they had more faith in Vixen and gave us at least 6 full episodes (30minutes)

[BabyTurtles]

Welp all the episodes are out and it was pretty good (Vixen was a cool character no complaints there and her powers are pretty fun~)

but it could have been so much better if they made it longer.
(......and got actually voice actors....at least for Flash and Arrow...and Cisco)
wish they cut out those credits....and that arrow and Flash trailer....could have been more time used for Mari.

overall I feel like this
http://33.media.tumblr.com/0e8a7d4c8a2dfff0f3f157070e6a4a55/tumblr_inline_nt0f2amszV1supqte_500.gif

but they did the best they could with that short amount of time and it was cool~

Still watch it! and support Vixen so we can maybe get a longer animated series for this chick! She's an awesome character! (or a live action show)

[TurtleTitan97]

Vixen gets renewed for another "season": http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=129824

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Vixen gets renewed for another "season": http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=129824

Wow! Another TEN MINUTES of Vixen!!!

[BabyTurtles]

Wow! Another TEN MINUTES of Vixen!!!

I know.......why can't they just at least give us an hour special!

I rather have an hour special than 6 rushed mini episodes.

[Raph's Girl]

I know.......why can't they just at least give us an hour special!

I rather have an hour special than 6 rushed mini episodes.

Eh don't worry. She's gonna be in an upcoming ep of Arrow so we'll get more than 10 min in live action at least.

[TurtleTitan97]

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[Raph's Girl]

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Weather wizard can control the ocean now?!

[Raph's Girl]

Season 2 hath begun on The Seed. Only those in the U.S can watch it tho. First ep is 7 min long. Haven't seen it pop up on youtube yet.

http://cwseed.com/shows/vixen/s2-episode-one/?play=74315115-2f11-4448-abc9-5a1a5324e506

[Autbot_Benz]

Vixen is coming to Blu Ray May 23rd 2017 It also comes with a special feature and 2 Justice League Unlimited episodes.

http://i.imgur.com/mGX6p4e.jpg