Would anyone want to see the original cut of the film?

[Xav]

We know a lot of things got changed in the development of this film. We know the original cut had:

A darker tone
Sacks as Shredder
The create heroes storyline
Pete Ploszek voicing Leonardo
Danny Woodburn voicing Splinter
The Mutagen being used on the Foot
Raph in disguise
Foot Solider Hari Kari/Sepuku scene
Vern in the sewer lair
April and Vern vs the Foot
Kevin Eastman's cameo
April getting her job back
Turtlevan out in the daytime
Extended elevator scene
Shredder in dojo with ninja

Does anyone else want to see a directors cut of this film?

[Powder]

Of course. I'm always down for alternate stuff. While I think most of the things they changed were in fact best left out, it probably would have been a slightly more cohesive film before re-shoots. That's something, I guess. Having heard Woodburn's Splinter in those video games, I'd definitely have preferred him to Shalhoub.

[Candy Kappa]

Sure, it might even be a overall better made movie compared to what we got.

[Mew]

Yes.
It would probably be like a drastically different back story. I would like to see what it would be like with these differences. I wouldn't mind a different back story, just like I don't mind Venus in Next Mutation. I wish it were more sci-fi like Guardians of the Galaxy. With Don being like Rocket Raccoon, but not drinking all the time.
The only Turtle design I don't like is Donatello's, but I wonder what Raphael would look like. The Playmates toy? I don't know. I would like to see it more gritty, with way more blood, swearing, and death. I would like to see William Fichner be Shredder, because he is a GREAT villain.
So yeah, I would like to see it, but I don't know how it would be.

[joefsas]

I'd love to put Pete's voice against Leo, so yeah i'd wanna see it. Would also be interesting to see Raph in disguise...

[TrickOrTreater]

No thanks.

[joefsas]

No thanks.

What a surprise :lol:

[TrickOrTreater]

What a surprise :lol:

Why would I want to see a maybe slightly more cohesive version of a bad movie?

[TigerClaw]

I would like to see more deleted scenes, But it would probably be expensive for the studio to put out, Some of them probably don't have FX.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yes. In retrospect, they should never have changed Sachs to just be Sachs. :trolleye:

[Xiewin]

Yeah I guess I'll be up for it, I admit I'm pretty interested in the Mutated soldier storyline; not to mention all the BTS footage that was cut or edited. But at the same time, Jonathan Liebesman did confirm that the script was always under a 100 minutes, so nonetheless I think it still would've had a ton of pacing issues.
But I would really like that see how dark the movie originally was; I have been waiting for a edgy turtles movie for years, but of course Michael Bay had to ruin it. :ohwell:

[IndigoErth]

If it existed in a complete, viewable form, yes please.

[snake]

Sure. Anything to make this movie better for me.

[Michael-Andrew-lo]

It can be very interesting how much difference a re-edit can make. It literally could make a bad movie, better, maybe even GOOD! But usually the best re-edits would need at least a small amount of re shoots. So unfortunately its something we will prob never see. But lets hope they take some of these fan responses on board for part two, eh?

[Galactus]

Yes. In retrospect, they should never have changed Sachs to just be Sachs. :trolleye:

In retrospect they should never have written and shot Sachs as Shredder in the first place.

[plastroncafe]

Sure, why not.
Just lemme pre-game first.

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Nope, I wouldn't.

[neatoman]

Well yeah, it would likely still suck and there would not have been a demand for it unless we got a (possibly) worse theatrical cut, but I'm still interested.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Since they seem to have to Keep Sachs because of Fincher's three movie deal, I wonder if we'll even see Baxter at all. Sachs fills his role in this new universe, sadly.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

does anyone think in tmnt 2016. we will see more of karai and baxter stockman will be in it this time. I hope so

Sadly, no. We know it will feature Bebop and Rocksteady, and probably Krang and Shredder... and maybe even (ugh) Eric Sachs again. If they even appear, Karai and Stockman aren't going to get anymore screentime or dialogue than they got in the first film. Which is a damn shame. :tgrumble:

[IndigoErth]

Baxter I wouldn't be surprised to see, though also wouldn't be surprised if the role was relatively minor. Karai on the other hand... questionable if she's even alive. So little attention was given to her though and just left unknown so I guess it could go either way. But if she was able to pull herself out of her damaged vehicle, with prob broken bones and the works, and manged to make it to safety off the side of a cold, snowy mountain and survive...

[BlueKatanas]

I would love to see an original cut. I could clearly see every point in the theatrical release where something had been cut out or pasted in, and I think this butchering of the original film so late in the game is what lead to many of the films plot holes. I'm happy Oroku saki replaced sachs, as there was no need to white wash that character in the first place, but just pasting him in without a complete overhaul of the script (just like all the other rewrites) made for some glaring plot holes.

I don't think the original cut would have been perfect, but it clearly would have made more sense. I guess what I'm saying is the original may have been a crappier turtle movie, but a slightly tighter film.

Even with the theatrical cut "as is" there are parts of the film I find enjoyable. As a filmmaker I would definitely be interested to see them side by side for a more complete analysis of what was always bad, and what simply got worse with all the re-shoots.

[pennydreadful]

I'd definitely need a strong drink to sit through this movie again in any format. I suppose it couldn't really hurt, but part of my brain's just going "aw man... do we really have to do this again?!"

[Raven]

I would be game to see what they originally had planned. Not sure if it would make the movie any better, but I would defiantly love to see where they were going to take Sachs before the rewrites, or what they changed in general.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Baxter I wouldn't be surprised to see, though also wouldn't be surprised if the role was relatively minor. Karai on the other hand... questionable if she's even alive. So little attention was given to her though and just left unknown so I guess it could go either way. But if she was able to pull herself out of her damaged vehicle, with prob broken bones and the works, and manged to make it to safety off the side of a cold, snowy mountain and survive...

SleepingSeeker wrote a fic for that. Leo and Donnie went back to check for more blood canisters, and Leo rescued her. Cue Leo-rai ship in next movie....

[Leo656]

Seen enough to know I've seen too much.

Editing can't fix the horrible acting and dialog, after all. And that... "script". Given what they had to work with it would literally have to be a completely different movie to be worth it. Nah, no thanks.

[Candy Kappa]

I'd definitely need a strong drink to sit through this movie again in any format. I suppose it couldn't really hurt, but part of my brain's just going "aw man... do we really have to do this again?!"

I'm feeling much the same. I really should re-watch the movie as I feel like I've forgotten half of the movie.

[Leo656]

That Cinema Sins clip sated my appetite to ever see anything from this again. That is a whoooooole lot of "shut your brain off" crammed into one movie. It's literally TOO awful for me to even sit through it. And it's not just a bad movie, it's a bad movie about something I care about. Booo! :ohwell:

[ssjup81]

Seeing some actual martial artists would be nice...I mean seeing the Foot with guns all terrorist style in the trailer turned me away from the film initially and killed my interest...but if I'm wrong please correct me.

[Leo656]

There's a lot of shooting and taser-ing but not a lot of actual "martial arts", sorry. They do dumb sh*t like attack en masse wielding guns and then forget they're holding guns and move in one-at-a-time to get their asses kicked, and occasionally swarm clumsily like flies. That's about it.

Um... Spoilers, I guess? :lol:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Thus leading to one of my favorite running-gags in the movie- taser-bait Leo....

[TrickOrTreater]

Seeing some actual martial artists would be nice...I mean seeing the Foot with guns all terrorist style in the trailer turned me away from the film initially and killed my interest...but if I'm wrong please correct me.

Nope. The "foot" don't use martial arts or martial arts weapons of any kind.

Lots of boring guns and stun batons.

[Leo656]

Thus leading to one of my favorite running-gags in the movie- taser-bait Leo....

Sigh. Down like a bitch. :ohwell:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

??? Elaborate? Hubby and I made a joke about taking a shot every time one of them got tazed. Leo obviously got it the worst.

[B-Man]

Thus leading to one of my favorite running-gags in the movie- taser-bait Leo....

:tlol: I thought it was funny too ("Oh, come onnnn...")

[ssjup81]

So...a franchise based around martial arts had practically no martial arts...

Welp, back to the 1990 movie for me... :P

[Leo656]

??? Elaborate? Hubby and I made a joke about taking a shot every time one of them got tazed. Leo obviously got it the worst.

My favorite character in the franchise and one of my favorite fictional heroic characters period was a Total Bitch.

I suppose you get that when you get your skills from "Ninjas For Dummies", but it's infuriating. Especially when everyone hates your favorite character to begin with.

Like I said elsewhere, a LOT of things about the movie seemed like a cosmic prank, as if someone, somewhere, was making the entire movie just to piss ME off, specifically, doing every single thing possible to make me hate it. Like, every few seconds, "Oh, F*ck you, movie!" It's uncanny. I've literally never had this exact experience.

Then again, I've only seen "Batman and Robin" in five-minute snippets or so, and never to completion. I'm not a sadist. But that was pretty similar, I guess. That movie also felt like the people making it were giving me the finger the entire time.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ah, I see. Yeah, I feel you on poor Leo getting treated like that in the movie. Even Raph didn't get it as bad as he did. Except for that shell-cracking thing.

[IndigoErth]

That film was damn hard on him, sequel better cut him some slack and give him a bit of development rather than just beating him up. (Can we get a Leo fan on that script...)

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, we'll save that for Raph in the sequel- he's the "tough" one, after all- he can take it..... :trazz::twink: Just as long as they leave my sweet Mikey alone! (Okay, sweet in MOST versions, at least. Here- well, he could tone down the horn-dog act, but otherwise, I liked him.)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Leo did take it on the chin... but it was at least comforting to see that he was also the one who made all of the sacrifices. LEO took the tazing; LEO rescued April and "that old guy"; LEO dove off the mountain; LEO was the first to go to Splinter's rescue.

I agree that they should have made Leo more badass... but I appreciated that Leo, as the leader, was the one to sacrifice the most. I'm just disappointed that this is probably entirely me just reading into it and not at all the actual intent of the script. :tgrumble:

[B-Man]

Leo was awesome in the movie. Gets tazed unconscious/wakes up/immediately back into action/tazed again/keeps going. I prefer my heroes fallible, fallible is more relatable (like early John McClane). Plus it's their first adventure in the real world, of course they're gonna screw up constantly.

[IndigoErth]

Leo did take it on the chin... but it was at least comforting to see that he was also the one who made all of the sacrifices. LEO took the tazing; LEO rescued April and "that old guy"; LEO dove off the mountain; LEO was the first to go to Splinter's rescue.

I agree that they should have made Leo more badass... but I appreciated that Leo, as the leader, was the one to sacrifice the most. I'm just disappointed that this is probably entirely me just reading into it and not at all the actual intent of the script. :tgrumble:
Nah, I did take away the same and likewise appreciated it. (And then he threw the "Dad!" in there. Right in the feels.)


But I'm cereal, next film maker that tazes him is getting tazed themselves... lol

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You go! Ad I'll be right behind you to taze whatever turd-monkey goes after Mikey. Raph can fend for himself. :tlol:

[Leo656]

"Fallible" is one thing. "Constantly getting smacked around and made to look totally weaksauce" is another. Then again, "Bad-Ass" was Raph's job, can't have anyone encroach upon that. :roll: Even though he did a decent job of getting smacked around his own self.

I don't care if it's their "first outing" or not. They took plenty of lumps in the old movie without looking so damn incompetent half the time. "Raph Vs. 100" is one of my favorite fight scenes in any movie ever. He knows he's overwhelmed, doesn't back down, takes out a few, does his best... and still almost gets beaten to death, then thrown through a skylight, and he doesn't "pop back up all bad-ass", he's in a coma for an indeterminate amount of time.

Call me crazy, but I felt that more.

[TrickOrTreater]

"Fallible" is one thing. "Constantly getting smacked around and made to look totally weaksauce" is another. Then again, "Bad-Ass" was Raph's job, can't have anyone encroach upon that. :roll: Even though he did a decent job of getting smacked around his own self.

I don't care if it's their "first outing" or not. They took plenty of lumps in the old movie without looking so damn incompetent half the time. "Raph Vs. 100" is one of my favorite fight scenes in any movie ever. He knows he's overwhelmed, doesn't back down, takes out a few, does his best... and still almost gets beaten to death, then thrown through a skylight, and he doesn't "pop back up all bad-ass", he's in a coma for an indeterminate amount of time.

Call me crazy, but I felt that more.

It's so great.

[B-Man]

Raph's rooftop scene is my favourite scene in any Turtles movie. But no point comparing everything to the original movie cause everything is gonna pale & the conversation comes to a halt.
The sequel should have a scene where a Foot Soldier shoots a taze at Leo & he catches it by the side, breaks it in his hand, grins, then roundhouses the soldier. They could all be seasoned crime-fighters next time around, cleaning up the city with ease. Until Bebop & Rocksteady show up...

[Bry]

I don't care if it's their "first outing" or not. They took plenty of lumps in the old movie without looking so damn incompetent half the time. "Raph Vs. 100" is one of my favorite fight scenes in any movie ever. He knows he's overwhelmed, doesn't back down, takes out a few, does his best... and still almost gets beaten to death, then thrown through a skylight, and he doesn't "pop back up all bad-ass", he's in a coma for an indeterminate amount of time.

Call me crazy, but I felt that more.

Absolutely. It had actual impact because Raph was vulnerable. He was tough, but he wasn't indestructible - he could be hurt, and potentially killed. That gives the conflict real stakes and weight. You need that. And it makes his eventual recovery and their final battle actually feel earned and important.

Also - hey, I couldn't resist (http://brykotyk.tumblr.com/post/108412867449/ive-been-shaking-my-head-for-five-months):

http://s24.postimg.org/t4p7vp8vp/abridged.jpg

[Leo656]

:lol: Not even the first time today I've seen that joke, but it's still really, really funny. :lol:

"Guys... what if we have them learn with the ACTUAL Abridged Book Of Ninja Fighting! ((ssssssssssssnnnnnnnnnneeeerrrrrrrt)) I have SO many good ideas right now!!!"

Drugs, man. S'no good.

[Bry]

:lol: Not even the first time today I've seen that joke, but it's still really, really funny. :lol:

"Guys... what if we have them learn with the ACTUAL Abridged Book Of Ninja Fighting! ((ssssssssssssnnnnnnnnnneeeerrrrrrrt)) I have SO many good ideas right now!!!"

Drugs, man. S'no good.

Ha, has it been "memed" (or attempted-memed) before? God knows I've joked about it, and I've seen others joke about it before that, but I don't recall if I'd seen a picture version. (Apologies if someone here's done it already!)

But yeah... they took a diss from Raphael and made that their actual origin. I've almost gotta respect that level of devotion to a terrible idea. :trazz:

[ssjup81]

Absolutely. It had actual impact because Raph was vulnerable. He was tough, but he wasn't indestructible - he could be hurt, and potentially killed. That gives the conflict real stakes and weight. You need that. And it makes his eventual recovery and their final battle actually feel earned and important.

Also - hey, I couldn't resist (http://brykotyk.tumblr.com/post/108412867449/ive-been-shaking-my-head-for-five-months):

http://s24.postimg.org/t4p7vp8vp/abridged.jpgThat's hilarious. Perfect. :tlol:

[IndigoErth]

Why did that joke never enter my mind before, it's so obvious now. :lol: Too funny.

The sequel should have a scene where a Foot Soldier shoots a taze at Leo & he catches it by the side, breaks it in his hand, grins, then roundhouses the soldier.
Do ett.

[pennydreadful]

I'm feeling much the same. I really should re-watch the movie as I feel like I've forgotten half of the movie.

Yeah, when I was watching the Cinema Sins thing I felt like I'd forgotten half the movie as well - I was seeing stuff and going "Wait... did I see that?". Either my brain's trying to block out the memory of having sat through it or it really was that forgettable as a film.

[Mew]

I think that the movie would be weird.
Reshoots galore.
Too many. You can see where they are.

[Candy Kappa]

I wouldn't have minded Leo getting tazed back and forth had he actually had some decent fight scenes. But every time he tries to do something he gets stopped, I guess they just didn't find anyone stunt performer that could do dual Nihonto, so Leo didn't get any proper fight scenes..?

[LeoRaph]

Ha, has it been "memed" (or attempted-memed) before? God knows I've joked about it, and I've seen others joke about it before that, but I don't recall if I'd seen a picture version. (Apologies if someone here's done it already!)

But yeah... they took a diss from Raphael and made that their actual origin. I've almost gotta respect that level of devotion to a terrible idea. :trazz:

I knew it wouldn't be long till someone would do a meme about this, I've never seen any of this one done before and now that I have it's ROTFLMAO FUNNY :tlol:

Nice One Bry!

Yeah, respect for sure... ride those bad ideas all the way to the razzies. Only TMNT movie in 25 years to do so and in 5 Major Categories. Respect PD, RESPECT :twink:

[MikeandRaph87]

Yes. I would love to compare and contrast the two versions. See which one I like better. If Platinum Dunes/Viacom can put out something like Rogue edition of Days of Future Past then that would fantastic.

[Bry]

What I'd really like to see is an "April's Not a Moron" cut. And you'd only have to change the third act: April, Raphael and Vern have just rescued the Turtles from Sacks' house/compound. But instead of drawing the attention of the Foot Soldiers outside and getting into a high-speed chase down a mountain, April uses her skills and knowledge as a reporter to call the appropriate authorities and tell them about Sacks' plan, sending them geo-tagged photo evidence of Sacks' illegal activities from his Evil Crime Lab and a shot of the Shredder (from when he decided to just walk away) so they'd know what they were in for. Then the Turtles can deal with the Foot Soldiers at the compound while an adequate response team infiltrates Sacks' building and deals with the threat more quickly and efficiently than two unarmed reporters and four teenagers without projectile weapons. The Turtles then rush home to take care of the injured Splinter, and April saves her career by busting a major story and saves the city with journalism.

[Shark_Blade]

Yes. I would love to compare and contrast the two versions. See which one I like better. If Platinum Dunes/Viacom can put out something like Rogue edition of Days of Future Past then that would fantastic.
YES. Do it Michael Bay!

[TrickOrTreater]

What I'd really like to see is an "April's Not a Moron" cut. And you'd only have to change the third act: April, Raphael and Vern have just rescued the Turtles from Sacks' house/compound. But instead of drawing the attention of the Foot Soldiers outside and getting into a high-speed chase down a mountain, April uses her skills and knowledge as a reporter to call the appropriate authorities and tell them about Sacks' plan, sending them geo-tagged photo evidence of Sacks' illegal activities from his Evil Crime Lab and a shot of the Shredder (from when he decided to just walk away) so they'd know what they were in for. Then the Turtles can deal with the Foot Soldiers at the compound while an adequate response team infiltrates Sacks' building and deals with the threat more quickly and efficiently than two unarmed reporters and four teenagers without projectile weapons. The Turtles then rush home to take care of the injured Splinter, and April saves her career by busting a major story and saves the city with journalism.

Are you kidding? She was a moron the entire movie.

First of all, what kind of investigative journalist only has ONE CAMERA on them? And a crappy cell phone camera that she can't even bother to keep charged. HD handycams cost like 200 bucks and are very easy to carry around.

Second of all, spouting out in a meeting with your colleagues and boss that there are magic ninjas running around without a shred of proof is also stupid.

Third of all, going to your boss with what amounts to a blurry photo of Bigfoot as proof is also so, so stupid.

She was a clueless moron the entire movie, and really, really bad at her chosen profession. Which she didn't get back at the end of the movie.

[Bry]

Are you kidding? She was a moron the entire movie.

I am definitely kidding you to a certain degree. :twink:

And hey, I totally agree. But it's par for the course with this movie - every single character made the dumbest possible decisions to every single conflict throughout. The "Everything Wrong With" video just got me thinking about it again. (And my wife is a reporter, so my first thought was, "in an emergency situation, what would she know to do?" Because actual reporters have a list of emergency contacts.)

The biggest plot hole of all might be how April managed to get a job at a major news organization in New York City in the first place. It's actually quite competitive, and someone of her skill level would probably end up in rural Idaho.

[Leo656]

every single character made the dumbest possible decisions to every single conflict throughout.

Ding.

And if they hadn't cut it short, that "Everything Wrong With" video could easily have been as long, if not longer, than the movie itself.


The biggest plot hole of all might be how April managed to get a job at a major news organization in New York City in the first place.

Sabrina f***ing Spellman was a better "journalist" than her.