What do you think about "modern" Rock-bands?

[Barkworm]

Since there are a lot of Rock-threads these days, I decided to start a thread about the popular Rockmusic which has come up within the last 7-8 years. I want your opinion especially on the following genres:
The Nu-Metal bands: Bands like Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Deftones but also Korn and Slipknot who do quite heavy music with a lot influence of Hiphop and Electro. Although I own some albums I never got used to this kind od music. The riffs are too simple (of course that's just my opinion since I never learned to play an instrument) and the Hiphop influence is often quite lame. This music isn't my cup of tea.
The New-Grunge stuff: Bands like Creed, Puddle of Mud, Nickelback, Staind etc. who tried to bring back one of the greatest Rock-genres ever. Of course they have some good songs but they'll never be near as good as Grunge has been back in the early nineties. Plus a lot of their stuff is too similar and boring.
The Retro-Rockbands (or the new "The"-bands :wink: ): Those are the press-darlings. Their music is not really "new" since they have a huge 70s-influence but bands like Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, The Hives, The Vines or The White Stripes are doing some cool ****. From the three genres I have listed I like them the most by far.
Of course there are other, maybe even more important bands like Radiohead or Queens of the Stone Age but they are not that easy to categorize.
So what do you think?

[That Matt Guy]

:dead: :dead: :dead:

[Taloniss]

I like the modern stuff. Bands like KoRn, Linkin Park, Deftones, White Stripes, Foo Fighters, Slipknot, and Papa Roach all adorn my CD collection.

[That Matt Guy]

I can tolerate some of them, but Korn and Papa Roach really make me want to puke.

[damnhooligan]

I personally dig Audioslave and Sevendust myself.

Though I'm more into trip hop and bossanova (Really!). I stopped avidly listening to rock after the grunge phase fizzled out.

[Voltron]

I find it amazing how 90+% of everything that comes out anymore sounds like someone gargling their own vomit.

[That Matt Guy]

Where the hell did the term "Nu Metal" come from? That's the lamest expression I have ever seen.

[Brodie]

I like some new stuff. Not Limp Bizkit or KoRn, but bands like Ill Nino, Murderdolls, Powerman 5000, The Blank Theory, Nothingface, In Flames and Seether are great. I'm really starting to get into bands like Spineshank.

[Raven]

i think modern bands are ok, i like the foo fighters, sevendust, korn, disturbed, ect.
there ok, for the moment, but i still like mushroomhead more.

[Eternelle]

I'm all for bands like Audioslave and Disturbed, and even some Linkin Park. My favorites though are more the Pop-rock groups like Matchbox Twenty, GooGoo Dolls, Fuel, Third Eye Blind, 3 doors Down, Smashing Pumpkins, and Counting Crows...though I'm not really sure what category the last few fit into...

[Reznorite420]

I can tolerate some of them, but Korn and Papa Roach really make me want to puke.Don't walk into my room if you hear sound, in that case ;)

Anyway, I guess I'll go for Disturbed and Audioslave. You should've read the editorial in my school newspaper about "the rock comeback". It basically went on to explain how rock is emerging from it's "crappy pop hiatus" into what it should really sound like; according to him, stuff that was released from the early 80's Metallica-ish stuff to around '92.

[SkaterMike]

I think good rock music is finally starting to come around again. In fact, I'm listening to The Strokes as I write this. Since the Ramones and the Clash are two of my favourite bands, I'm really glad to see music like this making a comback. I also really like the Foo Fighters. I'm not too big on the nu-metal stuff, but don't mind it every once and a while. Say what you want about Sum 41, but they have some amazing guitar work and alot better, more heavy metal sound on their new album

[Kid Icarus]

I can tolerate some of them, but Korn and Papa Roach really make me want to puke. *nod*

Add the 'new' punk, if you can even call it punk, and that's my view on it.

the 'The' bands are okay. the vines were pretty horrid though, they sounded like Nirvana and the Beatles squished together (get free has the same set up as Negative Creep. The exact same). The Hives were good, unless you listend to them more than twice a day. Same for the Strokes.

nu-metal needs to go far away. *nods*.

nu-grunge needs to go too. Audioslave and Pearl Jam should stay though.

also, the new Gn'R. Buckethead? -_-. Velvet Revolver is good though.

edit: just rememberd Radiohead. If you're open to... um.. i'll just say diffrent... music, they're really really kick ass.

[Brodie]

Yes, Velvet Revolver.

What does Our Lady Peace classify as?

[Leo656]

Buckethead is an awesome guitar player and that's all there is to it. I honestly couldn't care less that he dresses up like a freak.

[Dr. Doom]

It all sucks. I like to go to concerts that my local "new rock" station holds, and turn the firehose on everybody. These people wouldn't know music it it was a pineapple shoved up their asses.

[Quiller-Bee]

I'm really liking Audioslave right now. I always liked Soundgarden and Rage Against the Machine, so I was pretty sure I'd like 'em . . . I just never woulda guessed that I would this much. I'll be happy when they get another CD out because I'm more than ready for some new stuff from them.

The vast majority of this pop-punk "number band" stuff doesn't do a helluva lot for me, and I can't say that I'm overly sorry to see that's it's on the decline now. Most of it just can't stand up to the greats of the past.

As far as the "The" bands go, I'm pretty much with Gwgtrunks. A few of them are enjoyable for a little while, but start to wear thin rather quickly.

I'm about evenly split with the Nu Metal bands. A few of 'em are pretty cool, but many of them I can do without. Limp Bizkit tops that list.

Honestly, I listen to a lot of different stuff from a number of genres and time periods. (If you browsed through my numerous CD's, you'd think I was schizo.) No matter how it's divided up and categorized, I've found that almost every type of music has its good stuff as well as its crap.

BTW . . . Eternelle, good to see another Pumpkins fan!

[Reznorite420]

I'm really liking Audioslave right now.I was immediately hooked after hearing Show Me How to Live the first time.

[Voltron]

Thats Audio Slave? But....But....it doesn't sound like ****! What the hell is up?

[Kid Icarus]

Buckethead is an awesome guitar player and that's all there is to it. I honestly couldn't care less that he dresses up like a freak. I'll always like Slash more. Sure, he didn't show his face either... *shrugs*. And anyone can be a good guitar player, it just takes a lot of practice ( i know this. i spent the last 15 minutes learning the verse to Black Hole Sun).

[Psycrow]

www.club977.com

Tis the radio station I listen to :D

[Leo656]

Oddly enough, Slash is even more of a cartoon character than Buckethead...

I mean, Buckethead wears a KFC bucket on his head atop a Mike Meyers mask... but hell, the last time I saw Slash, he was in a f*cking Puff Daddy video. I'll take the freak with the chicken bucket any day.

See, I'm sorry but I get pissed easy about the "new" GNR, and people always saying that the new band sucks "because Slash isn't there". Well, you know what? F*ck Slash. I love him, he's one of the greatest guitar players ever in my opinion, but he is NOT the be-all, end-all of guitar players. In fact, I'd go so far as to say Buckethead KILLS Slash, because he can play everything Slash can play and a million things Slash never even heard of.

I've heard a few of the brand new GNR songs, and they're great. Most of the ones I heard sound like "classic" GNR. But the album still aint gonna sell. And why? Because the only two Gunners anyone ever remembers are Axl and Slash, and they think that somehow that formula was the only reason for the band's success. So everyone has it drilled in their heads that any version of GNR without Slash HAS to suck, and that's why "Chinese Democracy" is gonna flop despite the fact that it's gonna be a great album. And it pisses me off.

I wasn't talking about you or anyone specefically, either, Gwg, it's just that every DAY I hear someone say how "GNR sucks without Slash" and I needed to vent.

[Reznorite420]

Thats Audio Slave? But....But....it doesn't sound like sh**! What the hell is up?I think Voltron just had an epiphany...

[Barkworm]

I just think it's not really going to be "GNR", not because Slash isn't in the band but because Duff and Izzy aren't in the band either. It's more like the new "Axl Rose"-band. I mean, if you hear the name of a famous band you expect at least two faces which have always been in this band, don't you?
Nevertheless I'm sure Axl is doing some sweet stuff (even though I wasn't too fond of that "Oh my god"-song).
BTW Leo, have you already heard that "Velvet Revolver" Song? I think its name was "Set me free" or something. Let's say that song shows that Izzy, Duff and Slash aren't too good without Axl! :D

[That Matt Guy]

Whats the deal with Axl Rose anyway? What with the shaved eyebrows and such.

[GK Punk]

I like Velvet revolver. I don't think Izzy is in the band though, unless he just recorded on the Track.

GNR actually has two members, Axl and Dizzy.

[Barkworm]

I like Velvet revolver. I don't think Izzy is in the band though, unless he just recorded on the Track
Oh, I didn't know that. And to be fair, I just know one song, maybe the rest is better.
GNR actually has two members, Axl and Dizzy.
Yeah, but Dizzy is not one of THE members who were around when the band started and he didn't do a lot of the songwriting.

[GK Punk]

yeah, I guess only hard core GNR fans would recognize dizzy lol.

[Dr. Doom]

Axl Rose is a shmuck.



I thought your GnR fans might like this, or at least appreciate it more than a non-fan such as me did. In Mega Man X5, all the level bosses, or Mavericks, in the game were given names incorperated with people who supposedly all have something to do with the band when it was translated to english....take a look. I imagine if you're a fan, I won't need to point out who's who. Not in appearance, really, but in name.


http://megaman.retrofaction.com/mmx/games/mmx5/grizzly_s.png
Grizzly Slash

http://megaman.retrofaction.com/mmx/games/mmx5/duff_m.png
Duff McWhalen

http://megaman.retrofaction.com/mmx/games/mmx5/squid_a.png
Squid Adler

http://megaman.retrofaction.com/mmx/games/mmx5/dark_d.png
Dark Dizzy

http://megaman.retrofaction.com/mmx/games/mmx5/izzy_g.png
Izzy Glow

http://megaman.retrofaction.com/mmx/games/mmx5/skiver.png
The Skiver

http://megaman.retrofaction.com/mmx/games/mmx5/mattrex.png
Mattrex

http://megaman.retrofaction.com/mmx/games/mmx5/axle_r.png
Axl The Red

[Kid Icarus]

Oddly enough, Slash is even more of a cartoon character than Buckethead...

I mean, Buckethead wears a KFC bucket on his head atop a Mike Meyers mask... but hell, the last time I saw Slash, he was in a f*cking Puff Daddy video. I'll take the freak with the chicken bucket any day.

See, I'm sorry but I get pissed easy about the "new" GNR, and people always saying that the new band sucks "because Slash isn't there". Well, you know what? F*ck Slash. I love him, he's one of the greatest guitar players ever in my opinion, but he is NOT the be-all, end-all of guitar players. In fact, I'd go so far as to say Buckethead KILLS Slash, because he can play everything Slash can play and a million things Slash never even heard of.

I've heard a few of the brand new GNR songs, and they're great. Most of the ones I heard sound like "classic" GNR. But the album still aint gonna sell. And why? Because the only two Gunners anyone ever remembers are Axl and Slash, and they think that somehow that formula was the only reason for the band's success. So everyone has it drilled in their heads that any version of GNR without Slash HAS to suck, and that's why "Chinese Democracy" is gonna flop despite the fact that it's gonna be a great album. And it pisses me off.

I wasn't talking about you or anyone specefically, either, Gwg, it's just that every DAY I hear someone say how "GNR sucks without Slash" and I needed to vent. trust me, i know what you're talking about with pepole slamming bands you like. i get "you know Kurt is dead, right?" or "they can't play" every time i wear a Nirvana shirt to school... and this is from Good Charlotte and local 'punk' fans. :| .

i'll pry check out Gn'R's new album... not sure if i'll buy it or not though.

[GK Punk]

:lol:

Yeah, I think I heard about that before. That's a great little "Tribute" to GNR.

and Gwg, I usually tell people to listen more to Kurt's song writing than actual abilities at playing the guitar. Song writing was his best talent.

[Kid Icarus]

and Gwg, I usually tell people to listen more to Kurt's song writing than actual abilities at playing the guitar. Song writing was his best talent. :lol: those people wouldent know good lyrics if it bit them on them ass. they think "girls don't like boy girls like cars and money" is an example of song writing genious.

[GK Punk]

LOL

Yeah, I Know what you mean -_-

[Leo656]

Well, I kinda like that song, mostly cuz it's... y'know... TRUE and all. :lol:

Regardless, I don't see how anyone could knock Nirvana... even the rap kids back in school liked at least a few Nirvana songs.

And Axl may or may not be a schmuck, but he IS my hero. And he can do no wrong in my eyes.

[Raven]

I like Velvet revolver. I don't think Izzy is in the band though, unless he just recorded on the Track.

GNR actually has two members, Axl and Dizzy.

oh man I love velvet revolver!!!! I heard that they got cut from there record deal or somthing like that, i cant remeber.

[GK Punk]

I like Velvet revolver. I don't think Izzy is in the band though, unless he just recorded on the Track.

GNR actually has two members, Axl and Dizzy.

oh man I love velvet revolver!!!! I heard that they got cut from there record deal or somthing like that, i cant remeber.

I'm not sure, I know they jumped from one label to another at some point, I'll go look in to if they got dropped.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=788

[Raven]

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=788

:D thanks, I knew it was somthing like that.

[GK Punk]

yeah, no problem! It sounds like their full album will be out before too much longer!

[Kid Icarus]

yeah, no problem! It sounds like their full album will be out before too much longer! but how much longer untill Wieland gets him self caught with drugs again? I give it 6 months... unless he actually does clean up this time. :oops:

[GK Punk]

Yeah, that could be a huge problem. I guess it's a wait and see kinda thing.

[Barkworm]

yeah, no problem! It sounds like their full album will be out before too much longer! but how much longer untill Wieland gets him self caught with drugs again? I give it 6 months... unless he actually does clean up this time. :oops:
:lol:
It's funny, he never looked like a hardcore junkie to me but it seems like he can't get his hands off of the H. Anyway, guys who beat up their women are just pathetic. :evil:

[GK Punk]

Yeah, there's no excuse for that ****

[Hennie]

I like some new stuff. Not Limp Bizkit or KoRn, but bands like Ill Nino, Murderdolls, Powerman 5000, The Blank Theory, Nothingface, In Flames and Seether are great. I'm really starting to get into bands like Spineshank.

Brodie I see you like Seether did you know they are a South African band aka Saron Gas

Seether ROCKS!!! :evilgrin:

[Kid Icarus]

I like some new stuff. Not Limp Bizkit or KoRn, but bands like Ill Nino, Murderdolls, Powerman 5000, The Blank Theory, Nothingface, In Flames and Seether are great. I'm really starting to get into bands like Spineshank.

Brodie I see you like Seether did you know they are a South African band aka Saron Gas

Seether ROCKS!!! :evilgrin:

Seether is awesome. I have some friends in SA that knew the band before they even considered signing to Wind Up :D .

[GK Punk]

Seether rocks. I have a few guitar magazines with them in it actually.

[Raven]

yeah, no problem! It sounds like their full album will be out before too much longer! but how much longer untill Wieland gets him self caught with drugs again? I give it 6 months... unless he actually does clean up this time. :oops:

I think he was just caught mabey 2 months ago, not to long ago.

[Kid Icarus]

yeah, and he got parole... again. Which is good, because now Velvet Revolver get to finish the rest of the album and release it. pry won't be able to tour till his probation's up though. -_-.

[heretic888]

Today's music, neh??

Well, I like anything. Good stuff I like more than crappier stuff, but I see the value in all music.

I don't like to rate bands by genre. Its retarded. Papa Roach and Rage Against the Machine are both "rap metal", but they sound next to nothing alike.

That being said, I do have a few modern favorites. Sevendust is always good. Korn is brilliant, especially their newer work. Deftones are great. Tool, too. Primus. A Perfect Circle. NIN. I really like Nirvana too, although they are definitely overrated. Disturbed is probably the only newer "nu metal" band worth a lick. Although, I am really starting to grow onto linkin park a bit. Mudvayne are cool. Limpbizkit are amazing, they're ability to constantly reinvent their style and their genre never ceases to impress me. Their live show is unbelievable.

Another band I like that many people haven't heard of is Skrape. And, unlike many people, I actually like the new Metallica.

I really like older rock, too, but the people that flat out say that all the new rock out today "suck" are, very frankly, close minded. They need to lighten up and broaden their horizons. The majority of rock out today is in fact better than the majority of rock out during the 60s and 70s. Of course, there are always a few gems of note. Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, GnR, Metallica, love em all....

Heh. I even like some rappers out today, like Nas and Eminem. Tupac was cool, too.

[Kid Icarus]

And, unlike many people, I actually like the new Metallica. I love the new Metallica. It's great to see them doing more than thrash guitar. Infact, the new Metallica sounds like what Nirvana was starting to before Kurt died.

[Dr. Doom]

I like the new stuff too. All of it. As equally as I like the old stuff. There are a lot of good songs on Load & Reload that remain neglected.

[Raven]

i really love the new metallica, but than again ive always liked them.

[Reznorite420]

OMG!!!!! HERETIC POSTED!!!!!

[GK Punk]

I can't help but dislike the new metallica. It sounds like they are trying to hard to fit in to Mainstream rock. (Down tuned guitars?? YOUR METALLICA!! PLAY A SOLO FOR GOD SAKES!)

/end rant

[Leo656]

The Ramones were never very big on solos either, and I'd never say a bad word about them. There's more to music than guitars and solos. Of course, since you're a guitar player, you're biased. :P

I really like newer Metallica, since Lars is actually playing aggressively on the drums again and the whole album just makes me wanna fight and break stuff which is what Metallica at their best is all about. :evilgrin:

[GK Punk]

Well, there is a difference actually. Metallica has always been about guitars and tone, and solos. The Ramones actually had next to no talent. (Even they have admited that)

Metallica has changed their sound twice now, once to fit in with Grunge, and Now to fit in with SOAD. I'm sorry, but It's very noticeable that they are using SOAD Techniques.

[Leo656]

I thought I heard more a resemblance to some Godsmack stuff rather than System (who I like but I also think are incredibly overrated). Besides, it's damn near impossible for any band to do anything these days without sounding like someone else cuz everything's already been done more or less (Like I swear I've heard at least three recent rap songs with a sample from the Knight Rider theme song). I mean, Mudvayne claims to use some advanced mathematical equations to write their music... and they still sound like everyone else. :P It's like they said on South Park... "Everything's already been done... even before The Simpsons." :P

Ramones? Talent? Didn't you ever see "Up In Smoke"? "It's punk music, man... you don't gotta know how to play, you just gotta... be a punk!" :lol:

[heretic888]

The most amazing thing in the world is when people erroneously believe that technical complexity is the equivalent of artistic "talent" in music.

If you truly believe technical complexity to be so important, why the hell are you listening to rock music?? Its one of the most technically simplistic genres there is (not that that is necessarily a bad thing).

Solos a great band does not make.

[GK Punk]

The most amazing thing in the world is when people erroneously believe that technical complexity is the equivalent of artistic "talent" in music.

If you truly believe technical complexity to be so important, why the hell are you listening to rock music?? Its one of the most technically simplistic genres there is (not that that is necessarily a bad thing).

Solos a great band does not make.

Actually, I just said METALLICA should be doing solos. When did I say every band should? I hate to steal a line from Rez, but use common sense when talking to me, son.

[Eternelle]

I agree that the new Metallica could use some more solos, but I don't totally dislike their new sound.

[Leo656]

I suppose, but I listened to the new album repeatedly and didn't notice the lack of solos until someone mentioned it to me.

Maybe their musical priorities changed or something, and putting long solos in every song just isn't what they want to do anymore, or maybe they just didn't feel like having any on THIS record. Or who knows... maybe it's just not a priority to them at all anymore. Maybe since they and everyone else knows how good they can play, they don't feel the need to have a solo in every song anymore. Because really, isn't the solo really, at it's core, at least a *little* bit of self-indulgent egotism on the part of the performer? A bit of "look at me, look how good I am"? Yes, it's a great thing and the world is far better off with guitar solos than without them... but are they NECESSARY? No, not really.

I mean, it wasn't all THAT long ago when the words "guitar solo" were looked upon with disgust by fans and musicians alike who were annoyed with how pompous and self-important rock music had become. And what was the spawn of that "no time for solos" era in music? Punk, one of the greatest and most influential genres in music history.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into things and it was just Lars hogging the spotlight for himself, since people have been saying since "Load" that he can't play anymore, and now on the new record the drums are louder than the vocals half the time. What a showoff. :P

Either way, I look at the whole "Metallica stopped putting guitar solos in their songs" thing the same way as I look at the "the TMNT had red masks in Mirage so they should have red masks all the time" thing... in short, it just doesn't bother me enough for me to actually CARE. I enjoy the product for what it is and not what it isn't. In the case of Metallica, it IS a new Metallica album, and it ISN'T Staind or The Strokes or Incubus or any other band I hate. And that's good enough for me. :D

[GK Punk]

eh... For the love of god. Kirk Hammet actually talks about people like you guys in an old issue of Guitar Magazine. He talks about how it's trendy to not do solos, so people like you will constantly say "Solos suck!" yet, one day when solos are popular again, you'll all flip flop and say "solos rule!"

Anyways, I dont mean he should do full shredd solos, I just think something like copying the volcal melody on a couple of tracks would be cool. Jesus. Im done with you people.

[Kid Icarus]

my two cents about solos: if it makes the song stronger, and better, then include it. a lot of my favorite songs don't have solos (Lithium by Nirvana is one of those). I have a feeling the reason most of the bands now don't solo is because they can't, rather than won't. solos are hard to pull off and blend in to the song (you don't want the song to stop just to fit a solo in to it). I'll stop before this becomes a rant though ;)

[GK Punk]

my two cents about solos: if it makes the song stronger, and better, then include it. a lot of my favorite songs don't have solos (Lithium by Nirvana is one of those). I have a feeling the reason most of the bands now don't solo is because they can't, rather than won't. solos are hard to pull off and blend in to the song (you don't want the song to stop just to fit a solo in to it). I'll stop before this becomes a rant though ;)

See, that's how I feel on solos. And you are right, alot of Guitarists now CANT do them. (I barely can -_- But hey, I just bought a Les Paul, so I can fake it!) Lithium is my favorite Nirvana song too, actually... But another favorite of mine is Disarm by the Smashing Pumpkins. Two Versions of this song, One, the accousting album version no solos, and its just a great song. Version 2 is on the Live DVD and they also played at the VMAs, and included atleast 1 solo, but Im thinking two was the actual number. The Accoustic version ended up beter.

One of my favorite solos, however is in Smells like Teen spirit, and alls it is, is Kurt copying Vocal melodies on his trusty Mustang.

Im feel like Im dying right now, so I am just going to end my rant.

[Leo656]

Hey, congrats on finally getting that Les Paul GK! I know you've been wanting that for a while. :D

[Raven]

hey has any one heard pefect circles new song?
it kicks ass!

[GK Punk]

Hey, congrats on finally getting that Les Paul GK! I know you've been wanting that for a while. :D

Thanks :)

I had to special order the finish I wanted, but it will be here by the end of the week, or the begining of next :)