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Honestly I think the only way to save this series is to do a soft reboot. Have the Turtles start out already have defeated Shredder once, but make no references to the previous film. Sorta what TMNT tried to do but done better.
Gunpowder
02-12-2015, 10:20 PM
I'm thinking/hoping Nick's TMNT might get to that eventually. But as for a completely separate rendition...I don't see that happening. Not while a TV show and film franchise are both in the works. It'd be cool, though, for sure.
B-Man
02-12-2015, 11:27 PM
For those who don't like the movie, the good news is that there's no guarantee it'll go any further than the sequel. If part 2 makes less than 1, it's game over. The Neil Patrick Harris-lead Smurfs movie surpassed all expectations, becoming one of 2011's major blockbusters. 2013's The Smurfs 2 was also a smash, but it's total was quite a bit less. So the studio quickly announced an all-CGI reboot (deleting all human elements), due next summer. Three years is a fast turnaround for a reboot. If TMNT 2 makes a lot less than the original, there's a good chance Paramount will wanna reboot & come at it from a different angle.
oldmanwinters
02-13-2015, 08:11 AM
Maybe they can join the Marvel Cinematic Universe? That seems to be the popular way to bail out a major film franchise these days. :tlol:
Maybe they can join the Marvel Cinematic Universe? That seems to be the popular way to bail out a major film franchise these days. :tlol:
Lol!
Well, if Spiderman is in it, what do the TMNT have to loose?
:lol:
TigerClaw
02-13-2015, 11:38 AM
For those who don't like the movie, the good news is that there's no guarantee it'll go any further than the sequel. If part 2 makes less than 1, it's game over. The Neil Patrick Harris-lead Smurfs movie surpassed all expectations, becoming one of 2011's major blockbusters. 2013's The Smurfs 2 was also a smash, but it's total was quite a bit less. So the studio quickly announced an all-CGI reboot (deleting all human elements), due next summer. Three years is a fast turnaround for a reboot. If TMNT 2 makes a lot less than the original, there's a good chance Paramount will wanna reboot & come at it from a different angle.
I doubt it, They will continue making the movies as long as it makes back the money it cost to make, The 2nd film has a new director, A director whose familiar with making family friendly films, Even all the previous TMNT films were family friendly.
Like it or not, the TMNT movies appeal to all ages.
Powder
02-13-2015, 11:39 AM
Like it or not, the TMNT movies appeal to all ages.
Who's saying otherwise?
TigerClaw
02-13-2015, 11:42 AM
The series does not need a reboot, They can improve on it and make it better with each sequel, Given that the sequel has a new director, There is no telling what the tone is going to be like, Maybe it'll be darker? Who knows, Maybe it'll be something like Secret of the Ooze? Who knows.
Like it or not, the TMNT movies appeal to all ages.
Yes. TMNT 2 was geared more towards kids, though.
Amaranthus
02-13-2015, 11:55 AM
I think people who don't like the new movies should let it go. This includes me.
They won't cancel it. Get over it and focus on TMNT stuff you like.
The series does not need a reboot, They can improve on it and make it better with each sequel, Given that the sequel has a new director, There is no telling what the tone is going to be like, Maybe it'll be darker? Who knows, Maybe it'll be something like Secret of the Ooze? Who knows.
Oh, God.
That movie is childish enough.
If it was like SotO there would be product placement after product placement!
I thought there was enough in teh first movie.
Amaranthus
02-13-2015, 12:01 PM
If it was like SotO there would be product placement after product placement!
Did you not notice Skype and Pizza Hutt?
TigerClaw
02-13-2015, 12:01 PM
Oh, God.
That movie is childish enough.
If it was like SotO there would be product placement after product placement!
I thought there was enough in teh first movie.
The reason why I made the Secret of the Ooze reference, was because it had Tokka and Rahzar in it, With the sequel being done, Bebop and Rocksteady will be in it.
That's the thing about Hollywood, especially these days - there are no guarantees. If a movie doesn't live up to expectations, whatever they are, a potential sequel can turn into a reboot or something else entirely. It's pointless to say something will or won't happen like it's fact, because anything can for almost any reason. Our "audience logic" doesn't apply.
Ninjinister
02-13-2015, 12:35 PM
Everybody's already too reboot-happy as it is. Plus there's nothing that a well-made sequel couldn't fix.
The Boston Ninja Turtle
02-13-2015, 12:56 PM
Plus there's nothing that a well-made sequel couldn't fix.
everyone thinks that a "Well made sequel" is gonna magically fix all the problems that we see or dont see
but in reality the problem isnt so much the movie but the people behind the movie..the studio, the producers, micheal bay
you all have faith in green but he is nothing more than a director puppet..a yes man to do whatever the big wigs say and do not talk back
even if we get a reebot as long as PD is attached it will be crap because they just dont care...they want the money at the cost of quality
saying people need to get over it is like saying people need to just accept what we get and we shouldnt, no matter what movie or studio it is we shouldnt accept lazy crap for etertainment
Whatswiththeheadbands?
02-13-2015, 12:56 PM
I think people who don't like the new movies should let it go. This includes me.
They won't cancel it. Get over it and focus on TMNT stuff you like.
Yep. this, 100%
Ninjinister
02-13-2015, 01:45 PM
everyone thinks that a "Well made sequel" is gonna magically fix all the problems that we see or dont see
but in reality the problem isnt so much the movie but the people behind the movie..the studio, the producers, micheal bay
you all have faith in green but he is nothing more than a director puppet..a yes man to do whatever the big wigs say and do not talk back
even if we get a reebot as long as PD is attached it will be crap because they just dont care...they want the money at the cost of quality
I've seen four films by Bay and none of them were unenjoyable. Liebesman directed a short film which I enjoyed the hell out of. These men ARE capable of good things. If your dog poops in your chair once, do you immediately get rid of him? And even in the case of a sequel, ditching everyone involved in the first one is a possibility, if you really are that adamant about that.
no matter what movie or studio it is we shouldnt accept lazy crap for etertainment
That's taking your entertainment way too seriously, I'd say. For one, there were a lot of people who legitimately enjoyed it. Ever hear of "one man's trash is another man's treasure"? You are not the deciding factor in what constitutes as quality any more than I am. It's purely subjective.
And for another thing, it's just entertainment. You don't have to "accept" the "crap" because you don't even have to pay attention to it. It is not a necessity like air, food, water, and sleep. And even if it were, it's like food where you have almost infinite varieties to choose from. This would be like saying "I don't like what steak has become, we need to change what steak is so that it becomes palatable for me, personally, again."
If there needs to be a reboot, at least wait another 5, 10 years. We don't need another Turtle film anyway. If we do, fine. If not, also fine.
I think people who don't like the new movies should let it go. This includes me.
They won't cancel it. Get over it and focus on TMNT stuff you like.
As long as "get over it" also means "stop paying for it", then... okay, sure.
People can say what they want, though. It's not healthy to obsess on it, or anything, but I think criticizing the movie and expressing what we'd like to see had some value. But everyone's gotta remember about this version of the movie franchise: the more money you give it, the longer it's gonna last. So, friends - if you really hated the movie and don't approve of the direction it's taking the property, come June 2016 maybe keep that ticket's worth of money in your bank accounts?
I just don't get the mindset where folks feel they have to support it because they're a fan of the property. I can kind of understand if from the Mirage days, when they were independently owned by the creators, but the TMNT property is owned by a multi-billion-dollar corporation now. If one particular movie version of the property doesn't hit their "success" level, worst-case scenario, they'll give it a brief time-out and try something else. Look at Bond and Batman: when "Batman & Robin" and "Die Another Day" stunk up their respective joints, they relaunched with really great movies not that long after.
oldmanwinters
02-13-2015, 06:25 PM
Everybody's already too reboot-happy as it is. Plus there's nothing that a well-made sequel couldn't fix.
Though I think the first movie's backstory may have created irreconcilable problems for the franchise's mythology, I think you're probably right. Whatever backstory oversimplifications could be glossed over by Splinter (or Sachs or Saki) rephrasing words of Optimus Prime from Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (terrible movie, of course):
"There is much we have kept from you."
Who's saying otherwise?Pretty much everyone defending the film saying it doesn't matter as long as the kids like it.
Look at Bond and Batman: when "Batman & Robin" and "Die Another Day" stunk up their respective joints, they relaunched with really great movies not that long after.Die Another Day isn't really a good example it was the highest grossing Bond film upon it's release. It was only rebooted because Pierce Brosnan wanted more money.
Commenter 42
02-13-2015, 11:34 PM
Let's face it, considering the juggernauts slated for 2016, no one outside of this forum gives a tinkers damn about the sequel. If they don't nail it this time, expect a minimum 5 year hiatus before any possibility of a reboot, and even then, resuscitation is unlikely.
They've killed this the same way they killed TF.
How have they killed Transformers? A fifth film is coming out next year.
How have they killed Transformers? A fifth film is coming out next year.
Yeah, I was just about to ask. I'm confused, too.
TrickOrTreater
02-14-2015, 12:05 AM
Everybody's already too reboot-happy as it is. Plus there's nothing that a well-made sequel couldn't fix.
Like the designs, actors, writers, producers, story, characters, etc?
Sounds like you're suggesting a reboot.
Commenter 42
02-14-2015, 11:26 AM
How have they killed Transformers? A fifth film is coming out next year.
Yeah, I was just about to ask. I'm confused, too.
Oh yeah, such a success. Mc Donalds, Cigarettes, and Meth are also big money makers, if cash is your yardstick.:roll:
Only the most petulant of manchildren are clamouring for another go.
Hahaha, OK, gotcha. You live in a world where multibillion dollar businesses aren't a success.
Mulder
02-14-2015, 09:21 PM
Transformers 5 is in major trouble. Its production is a mess right now, and it's probably going to be pushed back. Hasbro's even restructured their Transformers marketing plan away from Bayformers because of how up in the air, it's future is.
Autbot_Benz
02-14-2015, 10:01 PM
Transformers 5 is in major trouble. Its production is a mess right now, and it's probably going to be pushed back. Hasbro's even restructured their Transformers marketing plan away from Bayformers because of how up in the air, it's future is.
where is your source on this Sir? Don't come here saying anything unless you can back it up. If it was in "Major Trouble" all the movie sites would be reporting it.
http://i57.tinypic.com/24yzhqs.jpg
BayFormers have been doing well for Hasbro.
Mulder
02-14-2015, 10:04 PM
where is your source on this Sir? Don't come here saying anything unless you can back it up. If it was in "Major Trouble" all the movie sites would be reporting it.
http://i57.tinypic.com/24yzhqs.jpg
BayFormers have been doing well for Hasbro.
They're swinging their merchandising over to RiD and away from Bayformers because TF5 doesn't even have a director at this point.
Autbot_Benz
02-14-2015, 10:06 PM
They're swinging their merchandising over to RiD and away from Bayformers because TF5 doesn't even have a director at this point.
no duh they did all the figures for AOE they can't do anything for TF5 until a movie comes out:roll:
Mulder
02-14-2015, 10:09 PM
no duh they did all the figures for AOE they can't do anything for TF5 until a movie comes out:roll:
You obviously have no idea what a marketing plan is.
Ninjinister
02-14-2015, 10:22 PM
Like the designs, actors, writers, producers, story, characters, etc?
Sounds like you're suggesting a reboot.
Did I say I was suggesting a reboot? I could have sworn I didn't suggest a reboot. I must actually be going senile in my old age, because I was under the impression that s-e-q-u-e-l didn't spell reboot.
Only the most petulant of manchildren are clamouring for another go.
I'm pretty sure that particular nomenclature is reserved specifically for people who insult other for liking things that he or she does not.
TrickOrTreater
02-14-2015, 11:57 PM
Did I say I was suggesting a reboot? I could have sworn I didn't suggest a reboot. I must actually be going senile in my old age, because I was under the impression that s-e-q-u-e-l didn't spell reboot.
Hoo boy.
Fixing everything that requires fixing, which would be everything, would take the movie out of s-e-q-u-e-l territory and put it smack dab into r-e-b-o-o-t territory.
I hope that was slow enough for you.
Die Another Day isn't really a good example it was the highest grossing Bond film upon it's release. It was only rebooted because Pierce Brosnan wanted more money.
Well, money isn't the only measure of success. I mean, for Hollywood it usually is, but there's a reason they went in a very different direction with Casino Royale. If something's very unpopular with fans and a significant portion of the general audience, even Hollywood can be smart enough to change course. A lot of financially successful movies are considered failures and embarrassments due to reputation alone.
Jester
02-15-2015, 09:04 PM
Bloodsucker, Cure play nice....
If something's very unpopular with fans and a significant portion of the general audience, even Hollywood can be smart enough to change course. A lot of financially successful movies are considered failures and embarrassments due to reputation alone.Than how do you explain the Transfomers films? They are hated yet keep getting made. Same with Ninja Turtles, the film was disliked, yet they are making a sequel with the same people.
Commenter 42
02-15-2015, 10:49 PM
Hahaha, OK, gotcha. You live in a world where multibillion dollar businesses aren't a success.
I live in the real world, where most people agree the last few Transformers films sucked.
Where do you live, a bubble? You can make movies that make money, and still kill the franchise.
Compound ideas are hard, I know. Take your time Chief.
Most people don't agree the Transformers movies suck. The money comes from paying people. Most people wouldn't pay for a movie they think sucks. Most people is not the internet.
Logic!
I live in the real world, where most people agree the last few Transformers films sucked.
Where do you live, a bubble? You can make movies that make money, and still kill the franchise.Yeah but the franchise isn't dead. There are still action figures, comics, and a new film and TV series coming.
Anton Chigurh
02-16-2015, 04:21 AM
Most people don't agree the Transformers movies suck. The money comes from paying people. Most people wouldn't pay for a movie they think sucks. Most people is not the internet.
Logic!
Exactly....... why can't ppl understand that. Great point
Shark_Blade
02-16-2015, 05:11 AM
Why would you want to reboot something that just rebooted? :tlol:
It's fine as it is. Expand the story and there you go.
People do pay for movies they think suck.
I paid for the Bayturtles Movie for instance. :tcool:
Mulder
02-16-2015, 09:39 AM
Why would you want to reboot something that just rebooted? :tlol:
It's fine as it is. Expand the story and there you go.
Fun fact your sig is inaccurate. The unadjusted 22nd highest grossing movie of all time worldwide is Despicable Me 2-
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
TMNT 2014 isn't even in the top 100.
It's not even the 22nd unadjusted in America/domestically, that's Star Wars Episode III-
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
It's also not even in the top 100 unadjusted domestically/in America.
Candy Kappa
02-16-2015, 09:41 AM
Fun fact your sig is inaccurate. The unadjusted 22nd highest grossing movie of all time worldwide is Despicable Me 2-
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
TMNT 2014 isn't even in the top 100.
It's not even the 22nd unadjusted in America/domestically, that's Star Wars Episode III-
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
It's also not even in the top 100 unadjusted domestically/in America.
He knows, he just don't want to change it. It's been debunked in a previous thread dealing with the boxoffice stuff.
TheSkeletonMan939
02-16-2015, 10:02 AM
You know, I was wondering where the number in Shark_Blade's had come from. I couldn't find anything on Forbes about it.
Not surprised it's inaccurate.
According to Mulder's first link, it's the 142nd highest-grossing film.
Commenter 42
02-16-2015, 10:15 AM
Fun fact your sig is inaccurate. The unadjusted 22nd highest grossing movie of all time worldwide is Despicable Me 2-
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
TMNT 2014 isn't even in the top 100.
It's not even the 22nd unadjusted in America/domestically, that's Star Wars Episode III-
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
It's also not even in the top 100 unadjusted domestically/in America.
Welcome to the Drome, where logic is eschewed in favor of fallacy. Shark_blade is a Troll, while others here actually believe 2014 was the greatest film of all time.
Goodnight, and good luck.
People do pay for movies they think suck.
I paid for the Bayturtles Movie for instance. :tcool:
Sure, but my point was about Transformers, a franchise four movies deep. If TMNT 2 fails, then you'll be absolutely right. However, if the first Transformers was so disliked, why would people go see the second one? If that one is so widely disliked, why would they go see the third one? And if that one is so widely disliked, why did the fourth one make buku dinero? That's my point.
Whatswiththeheadbands?
02-16-2015, 01:40 PM
Fun fact your sig is inaccurate. The unadjusted 22nd highest grossing movie of all time worldwide is Despicable Me 2-
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
TMNT 2014 isn't even in the top 100.
It's not even the 22nd unadjusted in America/domestically, that's Star Wars Episode III-
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
It's also not even in the top 100 unadjusted domestically/in America.
Yep. Worldwide, it actually comes in at 142nd, just below Shrek and just above Saving Private Ryan
Domestically, it's 167th, just below Cars 2, and just above Men In Black II.
chrisdude
03-01-2015, 11:21 AM
Sure, but my point was about Transformers, a franchise four movies deep. If TMNT 2 fails, then you'll be absolutely right. However, if the first Transformers was so disliked, why would people go see the second one? If that one is so widely disliked, why would they go see the third one? And if that one is so widely disliked, why did the fourth one make buku dinero? That's my point.People liked the first one. That's why the second made way more money. The second disappointed people, so the third make way less money, even though nearly everyone agrees that the third was better than the second. So, the fourth one did well because the third one was good. I didn't see the fourth one, but I've heard it's awful. Spider-Man 2 was awesome, so 3 is the biggest earning Spider-Man movie of all, even though everyone agrees it was the worst one. People buy tickets based on expectations, not quality. They kind of have to.
This last Turtles movie was a financial success, but they could totally make changes based on reactions and reception. That's normal and common. I assume that's what will happen with Transformers, if this last movie is as bad as people say it was.
TigerClaw
03-01-2015, 11:31 AM
People liked the first one. That's why the second made way more money. The second disappointed people, so the third make way less money, even though nearly everyone agrees that the third was better than the second. So, the fourth one did well because the third one was good. I didn't see the fourth one, but I've heard it's awful. Spider-Man 2 was awesome, so 3 is the biggest earning Spider-Man movie of all, even though everyone agrees it was the worst one. People buy tickets based on expectations, not quality. They kind of have to.
This last Turtles movie was a financial success, but they could totally make changes based on reactions and reception. That's normal and common. I assume that's what will happen with Transformers, if this last movie is as bad as people say it was.
I actually like the 4th Transformers movie, It didn't have Shia Labeouf.
Galactus
03-02-2015, 08:25 PM
Most people don't agree the Transformers movies suck. The money comes from paying people. Most people wouldn't pay for a movie they think sucks. Most people is not the internet.
Logic!
Well someone better clue in Michael Bay himself into that logic because he's publicly stated more than once that he knows a lot of fans hate his Transformers movies but pay to see them anyway,
My personal opinion has long been that the high box office of Transformers movies is very deceptive.
Most people cop to Bay's first Transformers being decently executed for a concept completely foreign to cinema and most people would have said was unfilmable. It wasn't without flaws but simply pulling it off earned him a lot of faith.
Obviously there are people who genuinely liked the sequels and Bay has even built up a fanbase on their dubious merits but on the whole I think Chrisdude summed the rollercoaster people have had with the series. Not only have they reached a natural saturation point but also the the fact they they've all being varying degrees of awful has damaged the good faith hence why we're now seeing some notable decline.
In many ways you could see TMNT as a result of this. The vast majority of people viewed it as Michael Bay's Transformers but with turtles and it's had all the stigma and none of the leeway hence the much poorer box office. Also the fact that we've already had a movie which handled things pretty well means people are less inclined to give Bay/Liebesman props for getting a few things "right" and while yes there's a few who are also convinced they'll fix the designs, focus on the title characters and play things reasonably faithful to the source it's a lot less than were convinced Revenge of the Fallen would do the same.
Autbot_Benz
03-02-2015, 08:46 PM
I actually like the 4th Transformers movie, It didn't have Shia Labeouf.
I too loved the 4th movie it was the second best from the 1st.
Metalwolf
03-02-2015, 09:41 PM
I too loved the 4th movie it was the second best from the 1st.Same here, but for me up to a degree. A lot of the Sam-Megan stuff was tedious to sit through, and I really wish there was a fan edit to cut those parts out. Other then that, the first and the fourth ones are easily the best.
With TMNT I think I'd wait for a reboot. Sure the first movie wasn't totally OK, but I'm fairly certain that Bay has been learning from his mistakes. I would have to see the second to definitively say if this iteration has gone down hill, because Bay could just as easily pull a surprise hit.
Autbot_Benz
03-02-2015, 10:43 PM
Same here, but for me up to a degree. A lot of the Sam-Megan stuff was tedious to sit through, and I really wish there was a fan edit to cut those parts out. Other then that, the first and the fourth ones are easily the best.
With TMNT I think I'd wait for a reboot. Sure the first movie wasn't totally OK, but I'm fairly certain that Bay has been learning from his mistakes. I would have to see the second to definitively say if this iteration has gone down hill, because Bay could just as easily pull a surprise hit.
agreed I just ignore the human stuff. I think the 4th really did a good job and pushing the envelope with Optimus Prime's character in doubting humanity.
People liked the first one. That's why the second made way more money. The second disappointed people, so the third make way less money, even though nearly everyone agrees that the third was better than the second. So, the fourth one did well because the third one was good.You are wrong on that. Both the third and fourth films decreased their domestic gross and increased their foreign gross from their last film.
The Boston Ninja Turtle
03-03-2015, 03:02 PM
for me TF 4 wasnt bad it just didnt live up to the story 3 made..the invasion was huge and 4 just didnt measure up to it..i mean it had great moments...but also random odd ones
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