An all Male Ghosbusters movie is also in the works at Sony

[TigerClaw]

The all Female Ghostbusters reboot isn't the only movie Sony is doing, They are also planning an all male Ghostbusters film to compliment it.

In fact Sony has created a separate studio to handle the Ghostbusters franchise and branding, This new studio is called, Ghostcorps, The studio will be runned by Ivan Reitman and Dan Aykroyd.
http://deadline.com/2015/03/ghostbusters-channing-tatum-joe-and-anthony-russo-drew-pearce-ivan-reitman-dan-aykroyd-1201388917

[MikeandRaph87]

This is an interesting development. Could it be the daughters of the four Ghostbuster members reforming their father's business while this is a reboot? This one has me interested and its nice to see Dan involved.

[TurtleTitan97]

Anyone wanna bet their only doing this in response to some of the outrage because of the female Ghostbusters movie?

[Mew]

This better be based on the Filmation series!
None of you get that.:roll:

[TigerClaw]

Plus the Russo Brothers will direct the all male Ghostbusters movie, They previously directed Captain America: The Winter Soldier and I believe are going to direct Civil War next.

[oldmanwinters]

This is so weird.

[TigerClaw]

This is so weird.
I know right? It sounds like an April Fools joke, But its legit, If this is what it takes to make new Ghosbusters movies, I'm all for it.

[Peanut]

This better be based on the Filmation series!
None of you get that.:roll:

You're on the Internet. Everyone gets that.

Also, this sounds like Sony doing what Sony does and preparing to double down on something so hard they run it straight into the ground. If there's one thing Sony knows how to do it's mishandle and then bury viable IP.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

What the...?

The all-female Ghostbusters movie was in development hell for HOW LONG? And now suddenly they're planning another Ghostbusters?

?!?!?!?

[IndigoErth]

All male Ghostbusters because its never been done! :roll:

You know what I'd rather see? Since they already did it in comic... do a Turtles/Ghostbusters crossover film. :D

[Jester]

Could we just cut the bull and have a team of Ghostbusters that's blended?

[Powder]

Dan Akroyd has always been a favorite of mine, but God damn, he needs to sit down & give it a rest.

[Mew]

Could we just cut the bull and have a team of Ghostbusters that's blended?
Yes! With a gorilla!

[Peanut]

Where's my transgender Ghostbusters film? Where's my all Korean Ghostbusters film? I'm sick and tired of there being no Ghostbusters film about quadriplegics.

Mini Ghostbusters. All small person cast. Get Sony on the horn. I'm pitching it as Willow with ghosts.

[CyberCubed]

This sounds like a trainwreck waiting to happen. I can now see people purposely skipping the one with the all-female cast and watching this one instead, so now Sony will lose a tremendous amount of box office sales on the all-female movie.

Over saturation is never a good thing. Oh well, its Sony.

[THGhost]

It gets worse! :lol:

Anyone wanna bet their only doing this in response to some of the outrage because of the female Ghostbusters movie?

Yep. :roll:

Could we just cut the bull and have a team of Ghostbusters that's blended?

Please don't remind me of that dreadful movie. :P

[plastroncafe]

Ugh. What a pandering gimmick of a movie idea.

[ProactiveMan]

Confusing. Sounds like a whole lott'a bunch'a crap, and I'll be surprised if it actually happens.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Why don't they make one Ghostbusters movie that might actually be a little bit good?

Both of them are probably doomed to suck, though I'm a little more confident in the newly announced one since the Russo bros. are involved. But geez... Sony really is desperate at this point, aren't they?

[Jester]

Ugh. What a pandering gimmick of a movie idea.
Can't say I disagree. It seems silly to basically say, "Hey rabid fanboys who are so bent out of shape about the Girl Ghostbusters, don't worry, we're totally gonna do an all dude one, because I mean...it's how it's SUPPOSED to be."

Just do one movie with a 4 person squad with a Hard core scientist, a true believer, a snarky jerk, and the normal person. Cast the BEST whoever for the role.

[NinjaPug]

Also, this sounds like Sony doing what Sony does and preparing to double down on something so hard they run it straight into the ground. If there's one thing Sony knows how to do it's mishandle and then bury viable IP.

Yep, classic Sony.

Can't wait for ASM3, ASM4, Sinister Six, Venom, Female Spidey character spinoff and the Aunt May spinoff.

[Allio]

Well, y'all can do all the complaining you want to. I'll just be over here reading the amazing Ghostbusters IDW comics

[Venom]

Well, y'all can do all the complaining you want to. I'll just be over here reading the amazing Ghostbusters IDW comics

I like how IDW evolved the team, like having Kylie being hired to take over Ray's store.

That's a logical way to introduce a good female character in another live action GB movie.

[THGhost]

Yep, classic Sony.

Can't wait for ASM3, ASM4, Sinister Six, Venom, Female Spidey character spinoff and the Aunt May spinoff.

ASM3&4 are cancelled, remember? :P

[Coola Yagami]

Can't say I disagree. It seems silly to basically say, "Hey rabid fanboys who are so bent out of shape about the Girl Ghostbusters, don't worry, we're totally gonna do an all dude one, because I mean...it's how it's SUPPOSED to be."

Just do one movie with a 4 person squad with a Hard core scientist, a true believer, a snarky jerk, and the normal person. Cast the BEST whoever for the role.

They better have a Hispanic in there or no deal.

[snake]

Two movies with the same f*cking character types? AND PRODUCED BY SONY?! CANT F*CKING WAIT

[Brodie]

Where's my transgender Ghostbusters film? Where's my all Korean Ghostbusters film? I'm sick and tired of there being no Ghostbusters film about quadriplegics.

Mini Ghostbusters. All small person cast. Get Sony on the horn. I'm pitching it as Willow with ghosts.

http://geekoutlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ghostbusters-pushcart-2.jpg

Ghostbusters Day Out.

[plastroncafe]

Where's my transgender Ghostbusters film? Where's my all Korean Ghostbusters film? I'm sick and tired of there being no Ghostbusters film about quadriplegics.

Mini Ghostbusters. All small person cast. Get Sony on the horn. I'm pitching it as Willow with ghosts.

If only someone would think of the straight, white, male demographic. Why don't we ever see anything that caters to them?! They're so...marginalized and oppressed.

We can't expect straight white male children to see people other than themselves on screen, there'll be confusion.
Real wrath of God stuff. Cats and dogs living together, MASS HYSTERIA!

(tell him about the twinkie, Ray.)

[Wildcat]

Wow, this is awesome but also strange. I mean is it a sequel to the first 2? Will it be in continuity with the all female one or it's own thing?

Also anyone who thinks they're only doing this because of all the hate for the reboot is wrong. There was talk about Dan wanting to do a Ghostbusters Universe before the reboot was official. There was an article about it and interview with him last year. Wonder if I could find it again.

Anyway I'm really happy this franchise is finally growing after all the struggling, and with 2 movies currently in the works. I hope it's not a joke.

Edit: Just looked back on imdb for the article but couldn't find but found a post from January that claims this exact news and it was found in the Sony hack. So most likely not a joke. Only had 2 replies. Obviously nobody believed that person at the time. Who would? Most of that board has been sarcastic hate for the reboot.

[TurtleTitan97]

Also anyone who thinks they're only doing this because of all the hate for the reboot is wrong. There was talk about Dan wanting to do a Ghostbusters Universe before the reboot was official. There was an article about it and interview with him last year. Wonder if I could find it again.


IDK. Still sounds fishy to me....

[Wildcat]

Found it - http://www.slashfilm.com/dan-aykroyd-ghostbusters-franchise-like-marvel/

I don't think it's fishy at all. Dan has been the most dedicated to continuing the franchise all these years.

[ProactiveMan]

That's a big Twinkie.

[Candy Kappa]

What a stupid idea. I bet they are gonna make the all-women buster team non-canon and the all-guy team as a apart of the canon for the previous movies, that would be a huge ******** move.

[Wildcat]

What a stupid idea. I bet they are gonna make the all-women buster team non-canon and the all-guy team as a apart of the canon for the previous movies, that would be a huge ******** move.Did you even read up on it? It's meant to become a universe. The female team and this would co-exist and probably crossover.

This is what I've always wanted...an expansion, multiple branches of the business. I hope it not all set in NY. Different locations opens things up.

This even opens up the possibility that the original team still exists. As long as the reboot doesn't use the same plot or storyline.

After thinking about it this (male version) can not be a totally new start. It just wouldn't work. Having 2 separate teams that have their own storylines must be the way they go. I mean it can't be all new yet still acknowledge another team (the girls) with the same name.

[Candy Kappa]

There's a long road between saying soemthing and doing it. So pardon me that I'm not all that enthusiastic about the possibility that the female-cast movie might be thrown under the bus.

[Wildcat]

There's a long road between saying soemthing and doing it. So pardon me that I'm not all that enthusiastic about the possibility that the female-cast movie might be thrown under the bus.Well I guess I can see what you're saying. I'm all for the female ghostbusters. I don't want it to be brushed off.

I don't think it would though. There's been talk of a universe recently plus it gives them another reason to make more movies which makes them more money.

[Shred Head]

Just when you think the reboot can get any more stupid then it already was a him and her version happens. Oh well at least its got some talent on it and a better vision for it then Ghostbusters but without the penis. Well Channing Tatum that's not a good name to be thrown into the mix but I can deal. This one seems like the lesser of two evils so I can at least take this.

[Allio]

(tell him about the twinkie, Ray.)

Like both of these upcoming films
It's all fluff and filler

I'll kick your heiny man
I'm a savage killer

[ZariusTwo]

Pets next.

Ghost Buddies.

[ProactiveMan]

If I were running Sony Pictures right now, I'd bring back the original cast, i.e. big fat Aykroyd, Erny Hudson, and replace long time hold-out Bill Murray with his 69 year-old brother Brian Doyle-Murray as Peter Venkman. Then, using the same CGI wizardry that brought dinosaurs to life in Jurassic Park; resurrect Harold Ramis, and hold a nation wide competition in the form of a reality TV show to cast a voice actor who can do a serviceable impression.

Channing Tatum could do the motion capture for the CGI Egon if he wanted, but otherwise he's out.

Next step, call... no, text Paul Feig and tell him we're moving him off campus. His dumb idea about women doing things in a movie has no place in this department, or this... movie studio.

The people have chosen the form of the destructor, and Many Shuvs and Zuuls... well you get the point.

Sony!

[Sumac]

This is...bizzare, to say the least.

OK, which one will be "The Real Ghostbusters" and which will be an "Extreme Ghostbusters"?

[plastroncafe]

My money is on the DudeBusters being EXTREME, because...guys.
There'll be lens flare and explosions and guys being cool while walking away from explosions.

Because...dudes.

[The Stryker]

Well. That's now TWO Ghostbusters movies I don't want to see. Neat.

[ToTheNines]

Foolish idea. They should be more worried about making a good movie than pandering to specific demographics. Even still... no one was asking for an "all female" Ghostbusters, just as no one was asking for a "male oriented" version.

I just wanted something Ghostbusters oriented, believe it or not. But I quit caring about a true sequel the day Harold Ramis died, and apparently so did Sony.

The Russo's and Feig's respective involvement almost make me interested, but they both just seem like awful ideas.

[Amaranthus]

Male actors?
Absolutely disgusting. I demand the characters to be played by ftm transgenders.

[THGhost]

Well. That's now TWO Ghostbusters movies I don't want to see. Neat.

Of course you do. You'll eat them up along with everyone else. :P

[plastroncafe]

Male actors?
Absolutely disgusting. I demand the characters to be played by ftm transgenders.

Female to Male trans actors are Male.

[Peanut]

Male actors?
Absolutely disgusting. I demand the characters to be played by ftm transgenders.

I already made the transgender joke. TRY AGAIN!

[Amaranthus]

I already made the transgender joke. TRY AGAIN!

Curse you, Peanut!
Curse you!

[snake]

Of course you do. You'll eat them up along with everyone else. :P

Yeah, no. F*ck these movies.

[Bry]

Anyone wanna bet their only doing this in response to some of the outrage because of the female Ghostbusters movie?

Uuuuuugh, probably. And in doing this as well, they're kinda diminishing that project. Stupid, stupid Sony.

That said: I'll actually get 100% behind this if the Russo Brothers cast their leads from "Community". Donald Glover, Joel McHale and Danny Pudi in the Ray, Peter and Egon roles would be kind of incredible. :lol:

Plus the Russo Brothers will direct the all male Ghostbusters movie, They previously directed Captain America: The Winter Soldier and I believe are going to direct Civil War next.

And the two-part Avengers: Infinity War, I believe. They're keeping busy.

Also, this sounds like Sony doing what Sony does and preparing to double down on something so hard they run it straight into the ground. If there's one thing Sony knows how to do it's mishandle and then bury viable IP.

And they just had to get Marvel to bail them out of their Spider-Man mess, too. They'll never learn, will they?

Found it - http://www.slashfilm.com/dan-aykroyd-ghostbusters-franchise-like-marvel/
It's meant to become a universe. The female team and this would co-exist and probably crossover.

The idea of building a shared universe "like Marvel" is the same dumb thinking that tanked the Amazing Spider-Man series. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is a shared universe built on of a bunch of otherwise-separate properties that are strong enough to work on their own and have for decades. Ghostbusters only has one property: Ghostbusters. I just don't think branching out/spinning off from that works as naturally.

[mexichrist83]

Wow. I never would have thought I'd be so unenthusiastic about the possibility of a new Ghostbusters movie let alone two. Years ago I was actually down for a third movie when it was still proposed to have the original cast. I didn't even really care about the current all female cast version because after all this time I just lost interest in a reboot of the franchise and I'm just kind of sick of reboots, remakes and even sequels. I would have seen the movie out of sheer curiosity but that's about it. This newly announced male Ghostbusters movie is clearly an attempt (and an insanely lame one at that) to undermine the female cast Ghostbusters movie and a blatant sign that Sony obviously has no faith in an all female cast taking over a well known franchise like Ghostbusters. It's actually really crappy when you think about it. Also, I've said it once and I'll say it again. Enough with the movie universe crap! It's lame and in this instance a really poor excuse to validate the announcement of this all male Ghostbusters movie.

Frak both of these movies.

[Wildcat]

I don't see how the universe is so bad. I mean it'd probably be 2 teams with their own storylines. Like Ghostbusters NY and Ghostbusters LA for example. It's actually better than cramming a bunch of ideas in 1 movie. There's also more you can do once you're not limited to just NY.

Again anyone whole seriously thinks they're only doing this over the reboot's criticism is just dumb. Why would they go through the trouble of making a whole separate movie to appease the fans against the female one? Thatd be alot of money and resources being used up just because of "internet complaining". It makes no sense. It'd be easier to make changes to Paul Feig's version.

It's well known that Dan Aykroyd has always wanted to do more Ghostbusters and apparently they were thinking about the universe thing well before the female reboot was decided.

Plus if it was the other way around (male version announced first) people would only be complaining about the female version, as they have. Instead of jumping on the whole thing and saying it's all stupid.

[TurtleTitan97]

Again anyone whole seriously thinks they're only doing this over the reboot's criticism is just dumb. Why would they go through the trouble of making a whole separate movie to appease the fans against the female one?

Probably because they're desperate. Remember, this was the same studio that was actually considering a Spider-Man spin-off about Aunt May just so they could keep the rights. AUNT MAY!! :trolleye:

Having two movies about two teams going by the name "Ghostbusters" sounds ridiculous. Sorry if you don't agree, but I'm pretty sure that's how most of us feel.

[Amaranthus]

Congratulations, Marvel. You've successfully infected other movie companies with the "Shared Universe Circlejerk" Virus.

[Bry]

I mean, I guess it can work, but it seems to dilute the brand. Ghostbusters, as a concept and a movie, is special because there aren't multiple teams/films doing the exact same thing at the same time.

The Marvel comparison doesn't really fit, because there you've got very different characters doing different things in different ways. Their world feels diverse, and any time their paths cross it feels special and interesting. "Ghostbusters Team A and Ghostbusters Team B" just can't be as unique from each other as Thor is from Iron Man.

What they seem to be planning here sounds more like the CSI franchise - Ghostbusters: New York, Ghostbusters: Los Angeles, Ghostbusters: Dover, Delaware, Ghostbusters: Now the Ghosts Are On the Internet... Trying to maximize the brand as much as possible, but not necessarily in a natural way. I'm concerned the focus is on quantity (thinking "more movies = more money!") instead of quality.

Again... it could work. With the right creative teams anything's possible. But I'm feeling there might be too much similarity to how Sony mis-handled Spider-Man here, and that wouldn't be a good thing.

[Wildcat]

Well the thing about Ghostbusters is it's a business and the supernatural can occur anywhere. As happy as I am that there's new movies happening staying in NY feels repetitive to me. The first two were set there and that's fine but all these years later it should expand.

One way or another there was gonna be a new team. Another team taking over in a true part 3 or reboot with a fresh start.

Maybe we don't need 2 teams with their own movies (GB NY, LA etc...is probably better suited for a TV show) but at least show there are other branches in other locations. Have the main team take a road trip to investigate a problem or something.

[TheCanadiandrome]

at least Dan Aykroyd is involved

[THGhost]

at least Dan Aykroyd is involved

That's not necessarily a good thing. :P

[IndigoErth]

but at least show there are other branches in other locations.
Agree with this, excellent idea.

Might also get rid of some of the hostility over an all-women version and what ended up looking like a rather redundant all-men rebuttal.

And fits well with the trend of some tv series having different location versions, such as the Walking Dead getting another one.

[TheCanadiandrome]

That's not necessarily a good thing. :P

true enough but that means at least one original GB is involved

[Wildcat]

Agree with this, excellent idea.

Might also get rid of some of the hostility over an all-women version and what ended up looking like a rather redundant all-men rebuttal.

And fits well with the trend of some tv series having different location versions, such as the Walking Dead getting another one.Ya but I'd still like to see other teams working. I imagine each would have their own style and cars. Guess this works better in a TV series than separate full length movies.

I'd actually prefer a live action TV series than movies that take years to release. You can do more storylines. We don't even know exactly what they have in mind by "universe" anyway. I just assumed multiple team-movies but that does seem harder to do now that I think of it.

[TigerClaw]

Ya but I'd still like to see other teams working. I imagine each would have their own style and cars. Guess this works better in a TV series than separate full length movies.

I'd actually prefer a live action TV series than movies that take years to release. You can do more storylines. We don't even know exactly what they have in mind by "universe" anyway. I just assumed multiple team-movies but that does seem harder to do now that I think of it.
Or an animated series like The Real Ghostbusters, That was a great show back in the days.

[Wildcat]

Or an animated series like The Real Ghostbusters, That was a great show back in the days.Ya I'd be happy with a new cartoon but now that it's possible to do a live action show with decent special effects I'd rather have that.

Ghostbusters Inc. was a title suggested on imdb for a storyline involving other branches. This was well before the reboot was announced. Anyway I really like that name.

[Leo656]

I maintain that doing another movie, period, is an AWFUL idea, and anyone who supports it should feel bad. This franchise is done.

This whole article is pretty good (shockingly so, since it's Cracked and it's post-2012), but the part about why the Ghostbusters brand needs to be put down is practically bullet-proof.
http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-beloved-movie-franchises-we-have-way-too-much-faith-in/

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"Let me ask you all a question, and feel free to write your answer down or just speak it aloud to whatever room you happen to be sitting in -- what was it about Ghostbusters that made that movie so great?

Was it the rich, sprawling mythology of the ghostbusting universe?

Or was it Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, and Harold Ramis teaming up to make a comedy in the prime of their careers?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's that second one.

See, people have a borderline rabid sense of nostalgia for Ghostbusters and the Ghostbusters brand, but the movie is about those three actors, period. Three of the biggest giants in the history of comedy came together to make a weird, funny movie. That's what the fans clamoring for another Ghostbusters film and the maniacs who greenlit two different reboots don't seem to understand -- the Ghostbusters brand and the performances of Murray, Aykroyd, and Ramis are the same thing. They're inseparable. That movie could've been about f*cking time-traveling cab drivers and it probably would've had the exact same impact on all of us. It was a unique premise executed by three of the most unique comedians ever captured on film. Without them, the brand is meaningless."
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That's entirely it. Without the originals, there is NO POINT. I loved and worshiped those movies to a degree that is 100% embarrassing as an adult, but like the article says, its "classic" status was completely and totally because of the original ingredients. Do that same movie with literally any other actors, and it's just another stupid "goofball comedy". You cannot recreate the chemistry of the original. Reviving the brand NOW - and, god forbid, expanding it, as they say they plan to do - is the most cynical, soulless kind of consumerist logo-worship. "Yaaaay, it has the same sticker on it as something I liked as a kid! Literally everything about it is different, and it kind of sucks really hard, but YAY, I enjoy things I remember!!!" :roll:

People should not be happy about either of these movies being made. Like lottery tickets, they do not offer you a gateway into something you've always wanted or dreamed of; it is simply an illusion presented by people who want to keep you ignorant and take your money. Nothing more. Don't support it. People DON'T want more Ghostbusters movies, what they always wanted was for those exact guys to somehow make a movie together one day that was as awesome as that one, and that can't ever happen.

So, now, instead of a universe where people refer to Ghostbusters and say, "Man, I remember that, it was awesome", like we have now, we get to have a universe where the brand will forever be spoken of as, "That one good movie, and an increasingly-depressing slide into National Lampoon-levels of embarrassing self-parody and irrelevance through a slew of gimmicky trash sequels." That's shameful.

[Brodie]

I maintain that doing another movie, period, is an AWFUL idea, and anyone who supports it should feel bad. This franchise is done.

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"Let me ask you all a question, and feel free to write your answer down or just speak it aloud to whatever room you happen to be sitting in -- what was it about Ghostbusters that made that movie so great?

Was it the rich, sprawling mythology of the ghostbusting universe?

Or was it Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, and Harold Ramis teaming up to make a comedy in the prime of their careers?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's that second one.

See, people have a borderline rabid sense of nostalgia for Ghostbusters and the Ghostbusters brand, but the movie is about those three actors, period. Three of the biggest giants in the history of comedy came together to make a weird, funny movie. That's what the fans clamoring for another Ghostbusters film and the maniacs who greenlit two different reboots don't seem to understand -- the Ghostbusters brand and the performances of Murray, Aykroyd, and Ramis are the same thing. They're inseparable. That movie could've been about f*cking time-traveling cab drivers and it probably would've had the exact same impact on all of us. It was a unique premise executed by three of the most unique comedians ever captured on film. Without them, the brand is meaningless."
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That's entirely it. Without the originals, there is NO POINT.


You say this, but there are other instances of great Ghostbusters stuff. The Real Ghostbusters cartoon is great. Its what you're saying, about having the same sticker....but it IS Ghostbusters. Its fun, and interesting, etc. Its Peter, Ray, Egon and Winston, not exactly Akroyd, Murray or Raimis, but that's fine2.

Is it as good as the first movie? No, but its fantastic.

I agree that two more movies don't need to be made, but I completely disagree with the idea that only those two movies need to exist, and everything else thereafter is trash.

I liked the game, it was the only Ghostbusters 3 I'd need, and I get that now. I've come to terms that I won't get the Ghostbusters 3 movie I've wanted since I was a kid.

I think expanding the universe in this way, with these two movies...its dumb. Its increasingly unnecessary considering the comic books with IDW are doing such a spectacular job of expanding the movie universe, and tying in all the other materials; cartoons, games, etc. The art is great, and the writing hits on damn near close to movie levels at times.

The game and comics are what I'll take away as expanding Ghostbusters. These movies don't need to be made, and they won't be as good as the originals, the cartoons or even the comic books at this point.

But to say those original two movies are the only valid piece of Ghostbusters? That's ****ing horseshit.

[Leo656]

I'll agree that the cartoon and game were great, but even with that, it was still mostly connected to the "roots" of it all. There is absolutely no reason to have more product based on the brand NOW. The concept itself isn't exactly something people are in love with, it was just the characters.

[Wildcat]

The concept itself isn't exactly something people are in love with, it was just the characters.Tell that to everyone who ever made a proton pack replica and/or customized a car to look like an Ecto 1.

There are people who only liked it for the cast, I've come across many, which is fine but it just tells me they were never really Ghostbusters fans. Again fine.

If "Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis and Hudson: The Movie" is all some people were in it for...well ok but then I guess I didn't matter what kinda movie they made. O_o. Someone on imdb even said it was never about the ghost business...lol Ya tell that to Dan Aykroyd.

I know every thing has against-ers (not a word, someone used it here for TMNT '14). but this is the only franchise I've seen this happen to. To write off the movie itself and claim it was only good for its cast.

It's just bizarre. I've never seen this in any other franchise or fandom. I know it's just one side of it but it's still very strange. To then deem said-thing pointless but after the fact. I really wanna know what Dan thinks of this because he's known for being into the supernatural and stuff. His original script was apparently far more elaborate.

[Leo656]

Brother, I was a bigger mark for Ghostbusters than you'll ever know, so you ain't telling me anything I don't know. Doesn't change the fact that if they'd done the movie with John Candy instead of Dan Akroyd, nobody would be talking about it today. It was the actors' chemistry that made it work so well. People can argue that, but they're wrong. "Doughy nerds babbling about Ectoplasm and shooting laser beams at stuff that isn't there" is a concept with a very, VERY limited range of appeal and you need the right people to sell it.

And again, as the article mentioned and I quoted, no, it really didn't have to be about ghosts or anything. It was about those guys, in that time and place, being absolutely untouchable on screen. It could have been a movie about four guys and a dry cleaning business, or a fast food restaurant, and maybe it wouldn't have gotten its own cartoon show but people damn sure would have responded to it just as positively.

See, the only reason people are so hardcore for this franchise is that we were all kids when it came out and we actually took it seriously, most of us oblivious to the fact the entire thing was a gag. We didn't get it. Our parents sure did - "Oh, that rascal Bill Murray! He's just on ALL the cocaine! Just look at him ad-lib!" - but we thought it really WAS a movie about these four guys proving ghosts were real and saving the world, and not just an excuse to throw the three greatest comedic actors alive in 1984 into a situation where they could be goofy and do improv. You can't just say, "OK, so ghosts are real, and four goofy nerds are gonna save the world." Pretend the movie etc. never existed; that's one of the dumbest concepts anyone ever spoke out loud. You only care NOW because Murray, etc. made you care THEN. You can't just re-shoot it with different actors and different jokes and pretend it's the same thing. It's not.

Even beyond this franchise, I'm very concerned/disturbed lately with just how many people share this really strange obsession with seeing their childhood recycled, if that's even the right word for whatever you call, "They're doing that movie/cartoon/thing they did when I was a kid, but sh*tty." For one, you're not a kid anymore, and secondly, why not just be happy with what you had? People pretend its not about themselves - "I just want to see things get brought back so a new generation can enjoy them!" - while completely ignoring the fact that kids don't give a single s*** what their parents or older siblings liked when they were 5. They don't do these things for a "new generation", not at all, they do it for these people who are stuck in some kind of vortex where the air doesn't move and they're still little kids. Frankly, it's unhealthy.

[Peanut]

the only reason people are so hardcore for this franchise is...

I like how you're under the impression you can tell people why they care about something.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Doesn't change the fact that if they'd done the movie with John Candy instead of Dan Akroyd, nobody would be talking about it today.


Hey, don't be knockin' on Candy! Actually, had he been in it (instead of, say, Hudson) we'd then have had all FOUR of the comedy greats from that era. Now THAT would've been something!


I like how you're under the impression you can tell people why they care about something.


And yet, he's pretty much hit the nail on the head. Try to imagine the movie with anyone else in those roles from that time, and I'd bet even money you would've thought it sucked. The movie worked BECUASE of those guys, and because two of them were directly involved with the script. Without that synergy, it would've been a mere footnote in cinematic history, not one of the biggest hits of the day, and an iconic movie franchise. With its own comic, cartoon, and video game.

[ProactiveMan]

Wasn't John Candy going to play Louis Tully at one point? I think they talk about it on the commentary of the old DVD. He had some weird ideas about playing the part with a German accent and having huge dogs, which Reitman and Ramis did not agree with.

[Wildcat]

@leo656, Like I said tell Dan Aykroyd the ghost busting business was one the dumbest ideas ever.

And really out of all the different sci-fi/fantasy franchises and fandoms we have fighting the supernatural with special weapons is the one that's just too dumb to actually like or build on?

Liking the original cast is understandable and I'd love for them to reappear (as part of the old team, not new characters). However to now turn it around and be all...oh now that I'm grown up I realize how dumb that was but thankyou for making me think I actually liked what I was watching for awhile.

That's some pretty twisted logic right there.

I understand being against a reboot and with an all-girl team. I wanted a legitimate sequel. I wish they would change their minds here and somehow tie the new movies with the first two.

[Leo656]

I like how you're under the impression you can tell people why they care about something.

True story? I generally am a very good judge of people and their motivations. I study them. Most people, by and large, don't know themselves at all, and don't even have any idea why they "like" or "dislike" anything they claim to, and when you actually engage them in conversation and pay close attention, it's easy enough to read between the lines and figure them out. It's not exactly an impossible skill to learn; therapists and the like do it all the time. All it takes is the ability to actually pay attention to what people are saying, not wait for one thing you can "call them" on.

Human beings are simple creatures, they're not at all complicated, and they like stupid things for stupider reasons. Doesn't take Freud to figure them out, just a keen sense of observation. In this case, especially. Not one person born after 1994 or so gives one sh*t if there's ever another Ghostbusters movie or who is in it. Hardly anything controversial in that statement, or the previous one that you seemed to take such offense to. True things don't stop being true just because you don't care for the person saying them or you think they're coming off as condescending. When you're right, you don't have to be nice about it or apologize for it. So, I'm not and I don't.

@leo656, Like I said tell Dan Aykroyd the ghost busting business was one the dumbest ideas ever.

Look, I love the guy, and the franchise, but holy sh*t, in literally every other context it's ever been done in, the entire concept of "ghost busters/hunters/whatever" has been repeatedly dismissed as corny, from Storch and Tucker and their fake gorilla all the way down the line to whatever fake "reality" show that toys with it. I'm glad the fact HE thinks there are really ghosts gives the guy's life a purpose, and it's cute he's so committed, but be real, the only person who takes ANYthing Dan Akroyd says seriously is Akroyd. In fact, him being so gung-ho on a new GB franchise is a pretty big hint that it will be terrible. He was the one who insisted they do another Blues Brothers movie 20 years later and like 15 years or so after Belushi died. And it was dogsh*t. Starting to sound familiar? I love the guy, but seriously, he has imbibed HEAVILY on his own bullsh*t for the last few decades. Nothing he says means anything.

My point stands, the characters/actors/execution made the movie into so much more than what it was. Not the concept in and of itself.

[Wildcat]

True story? I generally am a very good judge of people and their motivations. I study them. Most people, by and large, don't know themselves at all, and don't even have any idea why they "like" or "dislike" anything they claim to, and when you actually engage them in conversation and pay close attention, it's easy enough to read between the lines and figure them out. It's not exactly an impossible skill to learn; therapists and the like do it all the time. All it takes is the ability to actually pay attention to what people are saying, not wait for one thing you can "call them" on.Wow, Ghostbusters aside that's one the most arrogant and condescending things I've ever read someone say.

It's a good thing your around to tell us who we actually are.

Thankyou poster on the internet.

[Leo656]

Look, it's not my f*cking fault people are simpletons, I just report on it.

Case in point: People making any argument whatsoever for these movies actually happening. Keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. It's hysterical.

[Candy Kappa]

I think the all-male movie is going to be a bad move, they already announced a all-female movie which already is a high risk-high reward project, case in point how the internet reacted. A all-male movie just looks like a cowardly backpedaling. Sure franchising fits in-universe, but they should focus on one movie at a time.

[Powder]

Wow, Ghostbusters aside that's one the most arrogant and condescending things I've ever read someone say.

It's a good thing your around to tell us who we actually are.

Thankyou poster on the internet.

He's kinda right, & it's "you're".

[Bry]

Tell that to everyone who ever made a proton pack replica and/or customized a car to look like an Ecto 1.

There are people who only liked it for the cast, I've come across many, which is fine but it just tells me they were never really Ghostbusters fans. Again fine.

If "Murray, Aykroyd, Ramis and Hudson: The Movie" is all some people were in it for...well ok but then I guess I didn't matter what kinda movie they made. O_o.

Well... it's not that fans only like the concept for the original cast, but I think it's fair to say that it was the original cast that made us care about it in the first place. The overall fandom is kind of an extension of that. I love the props and vehicles and sets a ton too, but without the magic of that original movie, built mostly on the cast, it wouldn't mean much.

The cartoon was great because it had really good writing (especially for an '80s kids cartoon), the game was fun and had the novelty of getting the original cast back together one more time, and the IDW comics had really good writing that captured the characters well. All of the most "successful" follow-ups knew they had to capture that feeling and chemistry the best they could. Because ultimately that's what makes the whole thing work.

That said - I think a Ghostbusters reboot could work, but only if they're able to make a movie that's as funny as the original, with a cast that has as much chemistry and improv skill, and deliver a story that manages to scratch that "nostalgia itch" but also do something surprising and interesting on its own merits. That's a damn tall order, though.

[plastroncafe]

Look, it's not my f*cking fault people are simpletons, I just report on it.

Case in point: People making any argument whatsoever for these movies actually happening. Keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. It's hysterical.

Well...you know what the cure for hysteria is...

[Cure]

Case in point: People making any argument whatsoever for these movies actually happening. Keep telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. It's hysterical.

What's hysterical is you think you're on the same level as therapists only because you people-watch. You're so full of ****.

[Peanut]

True story? I generally am a very good judge of people and their motivations. I study them. Most people, by and large, don't know themselves at all, and don't even have any idea why they "like" or "dislike" anything they claim to, and when you actually engage them in conversation and pay close attention, it's easy enough to read between the lines and figure them out. It's not exactly an impossible skill to learn; therapists and the like do it all the time. All it takes is the ability to actually pay attention to what people are saying, not wait for one thing you can "call them" on.

Yoooooooo! This is some mad arrogant nonsense, even for you.

[Leo656]

It speaks. It speaks to me as though invited. It addresses me as if somehow equal. It amuses me. It is mistaken.

It takes no genius whatsoever to plainly see that I was, am, and remain the single most intelligent person in THIS crowd. I have simply grown entirely tired of pretending otherwise.

[Wildcat]

@ Peanut and Cure...Just ignore him now. Obviously with that last post above he's just having fun with it now but before...I mean when someone's best defense is "I'm smarter than you" it really ruins their whole argument. It can't even be taken seriously at that point.

@ Bry, I don't know. I still think the cast is getting way to much credit for why people like it. I would say it's 50-50, good cast/writing with a cool idea.

[Leo656]

I mean when someone's best defense is "I'm smarter than you" it really ruins their whole argument. It can't even be taken seriously at that point.

Not when it's true. But, whatever makes you feel better.

Nice job on catching that the last part was just being colorful. More perceptive than most folks are.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Leo, stop feeding the trolls, LOL! You know they always try to bite. And apparently, they can't resist the lure, either.

He IS right, however, whether anyone wants to admit it or not. Most people are pretty easy to "read", and figuring out what makes them tick isn't hard, it just requires some patience and intuition. Something a lot of folks don't seem to have, especially in this day and age of self-gratification and entitlement.

The original Ghostbusters film WAS mostly due to the cast- I will agree with Leo 100% there- and the remainder was due to the script- which, AGAIN was due to Ramis and Ackroyd, not surprisingly. Those guys knew what they were doing, and without them, it never would have even been MADE! And we wouldn't now be arguing over whether a movie re-boot with a new cast is a good idea....

[Brodie]

Is anyone really arguing "whether a movie reboot is a good idea"?

I'm just stating there are other valid portrayals of the Ghostbusters in other mediums, and the new movies sound like trash.

And I cannot believe some of the other ridiculous ******** being posted in this thread.

What a ****ing joke.

[Sumac]

Oh my, so much arrogance in one thread. One guy think that he can **** on everyone just because, other - that he is the smartest pants in the known universe.
It's like an awkward circus really. :D

On topic though: Sony is insane or incompetent. The last thing was fairly obvious after what they've done with Spider-Man, though.

[Allio]

on a related note, the IDW ghostbusters will be teaming up with "The Real" ghost busters"

[ToTheNines]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CAZlGKJUIAAxjEy.jpg

:D

[chrisdude]

The cast was wonderful, together. Sure, a cast can make a dumb concept work (How else could "road trip" or "buddy cop" become film genres?), but I don't really buy that everyone is just too dumb to realize why they liked the movie. Kids wanted to be Ghostbusters because it was cool to be a Ghostbuster, not because they fantasized about riffing with Bill Murray. That's not why I had my proton pack and ghost trap, anyway.

[Wildcat]

The cast was wonderful, together. Sure, a cast can make a dumb concept work (How else could "road trip" or "buddy cop" become film genres?), but I don't really buy that everyone is just too dumb to realize why they liked the movie. Kids wanted to be Ghostbusters because it was cool to be a Ghostbuster, not because they fantasized about riffing with Bill Murray. That's not why I had my proton pack and ghost trap, anyway.Exactly. What kids even cared or knew Bill and Dan were on SNL? I didn't.

I understand having doubts about reboots but not coming to some backwards conclusion years later that we were too blinded by the cast to see it was a stupid idea for a movie.

It's like the only franchise this has happened to. Usually being against updates its over a new plot or casting or cgi. Which ok but not..."Dumb, I only thought I liked it for this reason". Never seen such bizarre logic for something.

I know that's just one side of it. Not everyone claims that. They just don't like the all-girl idea and the fact it's a reboot. This naysaying only bothers me because it's such an odd version of it.

[Slap-Happy]

Can I ask why the Russo's are the biggest thing in Hollywood right now? They've made a single film, and now they're the "it" directors.

[CyberCubed]

Outside of the first Ghostbusters movie I've never seen anything else of the franchise, (the cartoons or comics) so what did they do in those series that gave the franchise an actual storyline rather than a one-shot movie? I'm honestly curious. Is the 80's cartoon worth watching for someone who has never seen it before?

[NinjaPug]

Can I ask why the Russo's are the biggest thing in Hollywood right now? They've made a single film, and now they're the "it" directors.

I haven't seen anyone call them the biggest thing in Hollywood.

[Slap-Happy]

I haven't seen anyone call them the biggest thing in Hollywood.
It's Hyperbole. They're doing this, Civil War, and are in line to take over Avengers from Whedon. They're getting huge.

[chrisdude]

It's Hyperbole. They're doing this, Civil War, and are in line to take over Avengers from Whedon. They're getting huge.Well, the Marvel part makes sense, because they're responsible for the best movie in the MCU.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Outside of the first Ghostbusters movie I've never seen anything else of the franchise, (the cartoons or comics) so what did they do in those series that gave the franchise an actual storyline rather than a one-shot movie? I'm honestly curious. Is the 80's cartoon worth watching for someone who has never seen it before?


So you never saw the second movie?! Seriously??!! Y'know, the one with Vigo the Carpathian!! And Dana's tub tried to eat the baby.... Yeah, loved that one. Janine wants to have a baby with the guy that was turned into the demon dog (Rick Moranis' character) in the first one. And we get the Stature of Liberty walking down (I assume) Broadway to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Good times.

And yes, the cartoon was fun, pretty well-written, and in-character. Slimer was a fun addition, and there were a few other call-backs from the movies. And lots of mythology and legends from around the world got tossed into the mix for "villains" and such. We even got a Christmas episode with Ebenezer Scrooge. Yes, THAT Scrooge.

[Cryomancer]

First movie -> Second movie -> recent-ish Videogame -> IDW comic book is all a continuous story.

The cartoon I believe was supposed to be, according to the show, "the real guys" and the movies were licensed adaptations of their exploits they signed off on, so I guess they happened in some similar way, like they did fight Gozer or whatever but the specifics aren't stated. The first few seasons range from solid to surprisingly good episodes but eventually it kinda goes down hill and I lost interest. I think Extreme picks up years later from there? but I don't really know about that one.

IDW comic feels like the most "meaty"/substantial Ghostbusters you can get into, personally. But I'm not the biggest fan in the world either so I'm sure my opinion isn't the most common one.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, the cartoon was supposed to pick up shortly after the first movie (there WAS a five-year gap between the two movie plots in-universe) and thus had several references to Gozar, Stay Puft, and other elements. Rick's character (can NOT remember his name!!) shows up sometimes, and of course Janine is their assistant as in the movies. No Dana, though (guess this was after the "break-up"?) and I think it ended before the second movie came out. Of course, it was a long time ago, so my memory may be slightly faulty. But those are the things I remember, more or less.

[Leo656]

"Louis Tully". I'm sorry but it's really unforgivable for anyone to forget the names of Ghostbusters movie characters. Especially the first movie. like, I can forgive forgetting or not knowing how to correctly pronounce "Janosz", but not someone forgetting about poor Lois Tully.

The RGB cartoon was great until it became "Slimer and..." Then it got pretty awful. Pretty sure nobody but Venkman even showed up consistently anymore by that point, and it was more aimed at the youngest audience. I pretty much stopped watching it by that point. The earliest seasons were great, though.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

LOL, thank you, Leo! I don't know WHY I have such a hard time remembering his name. I guess it's because it only ever gets mentioned a couple of times, though I DO love the character. Especially when he tries to "rescue" the guys by donning a spare suit and pack in the second movie. For some reason, I always feel sorry for the guy, as he always seems to end up with the short end of the stick, LOL!

[Leo656]

He got to nail Possessed Sigourney Weaver back when that meant somethin', so he's got that going for him. Which is nice.

Snicker. "Keymaster". "Gatekeeper". "Jokes About F***ing That Go Over Your Head When You're 4."

[MsMarvelDuckie]

He got to nail Possessed Sigourney Weaver back when that meant somethin', so he's got that going for him. Which is nice.

Snicker. "Keymaster". "Gatekeeper". "Jokes About F***ing That Go Over Your Head When You're 4."

Yeah, it figures you'd latch onto that one. Although, I certainly "got it" back then. But I wasn't 4, either. And I was reading adult novels by 4th grade, so.... Little ahead of the curve, I guess.

[Andrew NDB]

The RGB cartoon was great until it became "Slimer and..." Then it got pretty awful. Pretty sure nobody but Venkman even showed up consistently anymore by that point, and it was more aimed at the youngest audience. I pretty much stopped watching it by that point. The earliest seasons were great, though.

I think that's about when I tuned out. Though I seem to remember it being... harder to find to watch? Or when I did, it'd always be the same reruns?

[superstaff]

So did this concept end up morphing into Afterlife, or are they still doing an 'all-male' GB?

[Andrew NDB]

So did this concept end up morphing into Afterlife, or are they still doing an 'all-male' GB?

My guess is that the "all male Ghostbusters movie" was Afterlife all along. That because it wasn't using the GB 2016 cast and wasn't all-female, somewhere early on the wires got crossed with, "Oh, it must be all-male then."