When will they bring gangsters/mobsters into the Nick cartoon?

[CyberCubed]

An aspect in every TMNT series is sometimes the Turtles just fight regular organized crime that has nothing to do with the Foot, mutants or aliens. The Nick show is really missing the human crime-lord element of the series. And no the Purple Dragons don't count.

Mirage: Had a ton of mobster/gangster stories. In the Image series a mob boss tried to reclaim Shadow from Casey Jones.

Original toon: Big Louie, Pinky McFingers, Don Tortelli and Mad Dogg Mcmutt.

4kids: Gangsters/Mob from "Lone Raph and Cub" and "City at War."

Archie: The Dog Star gang

IDW: The Savate (?) plus the stuff in Eastmans Annual


Where are the human gangsters/mobsters with handguns?

[neatoman]

Well we'll get Hun, a gang leader, that's close enough.

[Tarris Vaal]

Perhaps that is how they will introduce Hun - as a kind of mafia hit man. Lets face it, the mafia can't have failed to notice everything that's happened since Battle for New York!

[victory_angel]

Perhaps that is how they will introduce Hun - as a kind of mafia hit man. Lets face it, the mafia can't have failed to notice everything that's happened since Battle for New York!

Hun is being introduced as the new leader of the Purple Dragons, and he's having the PD's rob a bank in his debute. So it is possible he's trying to turn the Purple Dragons into a Mafia group similar to the way they were in the 2k3 version

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Except for Hun, there haven't been any memorable gangsters or mobsters. It's slim pickings, unless you're just using a name and physical image for a new character, in which case, plenty of pre-existing templates.

I would personally argue Big Tony Puzorelli (the mob boss grandfather of Shadow Jones in Image's Volume 3) was incredibly memorable, but he's "non-canon" to Mirage so...

Yeah, slim pickings.

[BubblyShell22]

I'd love to see some mafia type group, but maybe there will be once Hun turns the PDs into a formidable group. I'd also like to see a rival gang that goes against the Dragons as that would be neat.

[Powder]

Except for Hun, there haven't been any memorable gangsters or mobsters. It's slim pickings, unless you're just using a name and physical image for a new character, in which case, plenty of pre-existing templates.

I would personally argue Big Tony Puzorelli (the mob boss grandfather of Shadow Jones in Image's Volume 3) was incredibly memorable, but he's "non-canon" to Mirage so...

Yeah, slim pickings.

What are you talking about? Big Louie & Don Turtelli at the very least are remembered by most turtle fans who watched the OT, & they're just a drop in the bucket. There were tons more, as Cybercubed notes. Most of them had pretty well defined appearances, with personalities being clear cut.

& Vol. 3 is canon to more people than it is not. Most folks accept Vol. 3 as the natural progression of Mirage canon. Pete decided he wanted to pretend it didn't exist, but Pete hates tons of beloved Mirage stuff, so it's kinda silly to use his way of thinking as your own.

[TigerClaw]

What are you talking about? Big Louie & Don Turtelli at the very least are remembered by most turtle fans who watched the OT, & they're just a drop in the bucket. There were tons more, as Cybercubed notes. Most of them had pretty well defined appearances, with personalities being clear cut.

& Vol. 3 is canon to more people than it is not. Most folks accept Vol. 3 as the natural progression of Mirage canon. Pete decided he wanted to pretend it didn't exist, but Pete hates tons of beloved Mirage stuff, so it's kinda silly to use his way of thinking as your own.
Ah yes, Don Turtelli, He'll make people talk by just tickling there feet.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What are you talking about? Big Louie & Don Turtelli at the very least are remembered by most turtle fans who watched the OT, & they're just a drop in the bucket. There were tons more, as Cybercubed notes. Most of them had pretty well defined appearances, with personalities being clear cut.

& Vol. 3 is canon to more people than it is not. Most folks accept Vol. 3 as the natural progression of Mirage canon. Pete decided he wanted to pretend it didn't exist, but Pete hates tons of beloved Mirage stuff, so it's kinda silly to use his way of thinking as your own.

I honestly don't remember any mobsters from the OT, but if other people do, that's fine with me.

Hey, Image Volume 3 was my favorite version of TMNT until IDW came along to tie with it. It is totally canon in my mind, but as you said, from an official perspective, it is non-canon.

What else does Laird hate that is beloved Mirage stuff? Or at least, not acknowledge?

[DevilSpooky]

An aspect in every TMNT series is sometimes the Turtles just fight regular organized crime that has nothing to do with the Foot, mutants or aliens. The Nick show is really missing the human crime-lord element of the series. And no the Purple Dragons don't count.

Mirage: Had a ton of mobster/gangster stories. In the Image series a mob boss tried to reclaim Shadow from Casey Jones.

Original toon: Big Louie, Pinky McFingers, Don Tortelli and Mad Dogg Mcmutt.

4kids: Gangsters/Mob from "Lone Raph and Cub" and "City at War."

Archie: The Dog Star gang

IDW: The Savate (?) plus the stuff in Eastmans Annual


Where are the human gangsters/mobsters with handguns?

Don't forget Silver on Next Mutation :P

[Cryomancer]

Would rather see Triads or Yakuza personally. How well that meshes with NY? eh.

[Powder]

That'd be awesome, but unlikely, I'm guessing.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Oooh, Purple Dragons verus the Yakuza, would be neat to see. And there were the Turks in 2K3, the rival gang that the PD's tried to wipe out. And that guy who took over from Hun in the BttS season. We really DO need more human villains! And I wouldn't be upset if Tortelli or Big Louie somehow ended up in the show, either. While we're at it, we can add another OT gang- the Cyber Punks! I draw the line at Wally and Timmy(?) "The Beaver" Cleaver, though! Or Tony "The Butcher" Vivaldi.

Does anyone know if R&B's old gang had a name? As long as both of them are in the new show, we ought to at least get some sort of homage to their original version's gang. Or would that have been the Purple Dragons, since they were working for Shredder, and he's always been tied to them?

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

I honestly don't remember any mobsters from the OT, but if other people do, that's fine with me.



Various gangsters would sometimes fight alone, and sometimes team up with Shredder and fight for him in exchange for access to Krang's rayguns. Some would instead team up with a mad scientist.

[NinjaPug]

Looks like you got your answer with today's episode.

[Powder]

I figured with that dude being morbidly obese that he was Big Louie, given the namesake implies a gent of a certain size. Bummed that was not the case, especially given he was likely a throwaway character who will never return. Either way, I enjoyed his inclusion!

[CyberCubed]

They don't make models in this show without the intention of re-using them so I'm sure we'll see this mobster again. The show needs more human down-to-earth enemies since the Turtles face mutants, aliens and robots all the time in this series.

More human mobsters with guns would be great. I want to see more organized crime in this show.

[ToTheNines]

I figured with that dude being morbidly obese that he was Big Louie, given the namesake implies a gent of a certain size. Bummed that was not the case, especially given he was likely a throwaway character who will never return. Either way, I enjoyed his inclusion!

I thought the same thing. We can just pretend his name is Louie Vizioso lol.

[Powder]

I thought the same thing. We can just pretend his name is Louie Vizioso lol.

That works for me. Maybe he'll return as CC predicts, & Mikey will dub him Big Louie. :tlol:

[BubblyShell22]

Well, Shredder called him Don Vizioso, but that doesn't mean that his name isn't Louie. After all, the Don is the big boss in a mob, so all of them are called Don Something or Other.

[NoName999]

They don't make models in this show without the intention of re-using them so I'm sure we'll see this mobster again.

Rahzor's, Fishface's, Rocksteady's, and Bebop's human forms say hi.

[CyberCubed]

Rahzor's, Fishface's, Rocksteady's, and Bebop's human forms say hi.

And all their human forms reappeared in multiple episodes before they were mutated. So you're proving my point.