Better Call Saul

[THGhost]

Couldn't find an official thread, so...

What do you all think of Better Call Saul so far?

I really wish they'd used this as its intro :P:

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I'm loving the show so far, particularly the most recent Mike episode - who knew there was so much more to his character?

I also like how each episode (except #5 for some reason) is one word and ends with an "o" - Uno, Mijo, Nacho, Hero, Five-O, Bingo, Rico, Pimento, Marco...

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

I really like it. I really enjoy the slow build to Jimmy going from good to Saul. I love that it's taking him a lot longer to "break bad" than it did for Walt.

[Powder]

This show is God-tier, & I love what they're doing with Mike. He was my favorite character on Breba, so having a ton more of him just makes my day.

[AT-Man]

I agree, it's great. Very happy to get to see where Mike came from. I also like how the intro doesn't take longer than few seconds in every episode.

[Jester]

I guess I'll give this a watch eventually. I mean his real name is Jimmy McGill....his alias at the beginning of the series is Gene...by names alone i'm 2/3s obligated to watch this show.

[THGhost]

Breba

Calling it that is a thing? :P

[DarthRaphael]

I like this so far. The pacing of the episodes is much different than other shows besides Breaking Bad. Getting Mike's back story is a big plus.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

That was a good finale. Not as emotional as last week's, but it built up Jimmy's "breaking bad" moment well.

Also, I loved the Breaking Bad callbacks.

[Jester]

Haven't seen tonight's episode, but "Pimento" was great. Love seeing Mike in action.

[Wingnut]

Haven't seen tonight's episode, but "Pimento" was great. Love seeing Mike in action.
Same and same.

Mike has always been my favorite character and that one liner cemented it :lol:

[Powder]

I found the finale lackluster. A great series overall, though, & I can't wait for more.

[CaliperCat]

I missed the second half of the finale, owing to helping a friend with his homework, but I really enjoyed the first half. I definitely wasn't expecting for Chuck to be the real villain in Jimmy's lack of career movement, or for Howard and Jimmy to get along so well after the whole fiasco.

I'm glad I'm not the sole member of the Mike fan club. Love the character to pieces.

[Cure]

I found the finale lackluster. A great series overall, though, & I can't wait for more.

I think it suffered from lack of a B plot. Still, good overall.

[Powder]

I think it suffered from lack of a B plot. Still, good overall.

Yeah, that's exactly it. I guess there wasn't much they could do with Mike that wouldn't need further development, but still. Anything would've helped. The bingo & scam sequences felt way too long, as well. A finale shouldn't feel like filler (which this kinda did, to me).

[Jester]

Thought both were fun, if a little long.

Were the 2 girls that Jimmy and Marco conned a jab at 2 Broke Girls...which also airs on Monday nights?

[Cure]

I think that's a reach, homie.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Thought both were fun, if a little long.

Were the 2 girls that Jimmy and Marco conned a jab at 2 Broke Girls...which also airs on Monday nights?

They were a reference to a story Saul tells Walt on Breaking Bad. He tricked a woman into thinking he was Kevin Costner because HE believed it!

[MutantBear]

I'm really enjoying the show so far. In some ways it's more serious then Breaking Bad. Although not as violent as Breaking Bad, it's themes and stories are dark and really interesting. The only thing I'm a little bummed out about is the fact that the seasons are a little short. Unless it's the mid-season finale.

[Powder]

This comes back with season 2 in about an hour, y'all.

Excite!

[Cure]

This show is great. It has me hooked by wondering what a damn switch does.

[Powder]

It kills a random stranger & replaces them with a portion of jelly beans, according to Vince Gilligan, who said so on "Talking Saul". :tlol:

[Cure]

Damn, I should have put that to record, as well.

[Powder]

Don't fret, it was pretty damn boring.

The only real benefit was a 30 second clip of next weeks episode at the very end:

Pryce, the prescription pill pushing putz pulls up to Mike's toll-booth on the way into the police station, surprised to see him, naturally. Mike tells him to pull around so they can have a little chat.

[M.O.D.O.K.]

I dunno. I had fun seeing Jimmy and Kim ruining KENWINS's day once again. Or technically, the first time.

[Powder]

I was talking about Talking Saul.

[Commenter 42]

Haven't watched the premier yet, didn't know it was back.
Looking forward to catching up tonight.

[Cure]

Yooooo, that one really long shot of Chuck on the hospital bed was really impressive and well done.

Now they just need to tell me what that switch does.

[Andrew NDB]

The return of the show last night for season 5 was good. The annual Gene stuff was pretty nerve-wracking... very well written. You finally start to feel like, "PHEW! Guess it's all a false alarm for Gene" and then BAM. And soooo awkward/uncomfortable.

[Andrew NDB]

3 episodes in... so, so good. This last one was basically Kim's own Breaking Bad. Very well done.

#1: This cinches it. She's become like Jimmy and she loves it.

#2: The guy Lalo is making Crazy 8 snitch out... it's got to be Tortuga, right? It can't be Gus' people or any of the Salamancas... so who else could it be?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm almost done with Season 4 on Netflix.

Really feel like Kim shouldn't have pulled the scam in Lubbock. I'm predicting she ends up disbarred as an outcome of this scam being discovered further down the road...

[CyberCubed]

Anyone watch the finale? Lalo is out for blood.

Also looks like Kim is going to be the reason Saul becomes what he is in Breaking Bad. I don't think she is going to die, it just wouldn't fit Saul to keep doing what he's doing in Breaking Bad if he lost her. I actually think she's still with him now in the Breaking Bad timeline just doing things behind the scenes. But obviously something bad will happen eventually post Breaking Bad's last episode that has Saul working in hiding in Cinnabon.

[Andrew NDB]

Anyone watch the finale? Lalo is out for blood.

Also looks like Kim is going to be the reason Saul becomes what he is in Breaking Bad. I don't think she is going to die, it just wouldn't fit Saul to keep doing what he's doing in Breaking Bad if he lost her. I actually think she's still with him now in the Breaking Bad timeline just doing things behind the scenes. But obviously something bad will happen eventually post Breaking Bad's last episode that has Saul working in hiding in Cinnabon.

Yeah, I saw it. I LOVED the few episodes before it, and I dug the tension at Lalo's house during the invasion... but I was a bit disappointed. I was hoping for something punchier, since it'll likely be like 2 years before we see season 6. Like, I was fully expecting Nacho to pop in at the end and shoot Lalo, or something crazy. And MAN, that episode with Saul and Mike in the desert? Wow, that was awesome. That's probably on par with the best Breaking Bad episodes. Pound for pound, probably this is the best Better Call Saul season overall.

I keep watching that scene with Saul in the desert with Walt and Jesse for clues.

"It wasn't me, it was Ignacio (Nacho)!"

"Lalo didn't send you?"

That implies that Nacho does something big that Saul is worried about blowing around back to him from the cartel(s). It also implies that Lalo survives Better Call Saul, though Gus's later comment to Hector that "the Salamanca line dies with you!" in Breaking Bad implies otherwise.

[CyberCubed]

It is probably likely Lalo dies next season and Saul just never finds out, which is why he thinks he's still alive in Breaking Bad. I assumed Nacho was going to live either way, he's basically the "Jesse" of this series, in that he's the young guy who just winds up with a lot of bad luck but wants to do the right thing. Nacho is the hispanic version of Jesse.

Lalo is too good a villain I can see why they want him around for the final season of the show. Hopefully we get some more scenes with Gus too because we're not going to see anything of him after next season of course. And yes the desert episode was one of the best episodes, reminded me of the Season 2 BB ep when Walt/Jesse were stuck in the desert for 4 days in the mobile home.

Kim is also probably the best written female character of the whole franchise. Breaking Bad's weak point were the female characters, as of course Skyla/Marie basically existed just to complain/whine and cause tension whenever they appeared. And Jesse's girlfriends all existed just to die...lol.

Kim is probably the breakout female character of the whole series, that's why I don't think she'll ever be killed off. Not only is Saul too cheery and peppy in BB and her death would absolutely devastate him, but she's become too popular a character herself. I definitely think Saul/Kim are still together in BB, we just never see her.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, Kim has become surprisingly great. What a character arc.

I was hoping for Lalo's end this season, but also not. In just a couple of seasons, Tony Dalton really brought that character to life.

Hopefully we get some more scenes with Gus too because we're not going to see anything of him after next season of course.

I've still got my fingers crossed for "FRING: A Breaking Bad Story." There's still time.

* Edit: surprising that no Hank in the finale. They made such a big deal of bringing him back and it was for like 2 episodes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I would watch the everloving crap out of a Los Pollos Hermanos spinoff.

And yeah, Breaking Bad was pretty light on compelling main female characters, although I really dug Skyler. She was always caught between a rock and a hard place. But nobody compares to Kim.

[CyberCubed]

Man, the sad thing is how much the actors have aged. I've been rewatching Breaking Bad and am in Season 2 when Gus, Saul, and Mike debut...and I forgot how YOUNG they look. Gus especially, I can't believe how much the actor aged in real life in just under a decade. Mike too kinda because he acts older and gruffer in Better Call Saul than in Breaking Bad.

I can't see any possible way they could get Gus to do a prequel, he's going to be way too old by the time Better Call Saul ends as it is. It's just so weird to watch a prequel when the actors are older than they are in the following series, you can't really watch the shows back to back for this reason.

I mean when you just watch Better Call Saul on its own you assume, "The actors always looked like this, didn't they?" Then you go back to Breaking Bad and you're like... "Wow." Good god, and these are famous actors and the shows aren't really more than a decade apart and everyone has aged tremendously.

[Andrew NDB]

Man, the sad thing is how much the actors have aged. I've been rewatching Breaking Bad and am in Season 2 when Gus, Saul, and Mike debut...and I forgot how YOUNG they look. Gus especially, I can't believe how much the actor aged in real life in just under a decade. Mike too kinda because he acts older and gruffer in Better Call Saul than in Breaking Bad.

Even Saul himself has aged a lot, especially this season... a lot of the crow's feet type stuff they could take care of, but they don't. He's supposed to be what... 38 at this point?

I can't see any possible way they could get Gus to do a prequel, he's going to be way too old by the time Better Call Saul ends as it is.

Not a prequel series, a one-off movie like El Camino. They could en-youngen him for something limited like that. Though I notice lately he's getting a bit of a belly?

"Wow." Good god, and these are famous actors and the shows aren't really more than a decade apart and everyone has aged tremendously.

At this point we're only 1 year away from Breaking Bad season 1, since they said Tuco gets released in a year.

Also, just rewatched the season 5 finale and I noticed something I didn't catch the first time. At the very end, when Lalo has immobilized the assassin whose face he burned with the hot grease, who he forces to call and tell his people that the hit was successful... before we cut to Lalo walking out of there, there's a shot of Lalo looking at the bottle of liquor Nacho brought out and the glasses coming into focus. Then I remembered, we never saw Nacho drink any of it. It could be he was looking at the bottle to imply he would walk over, grab it, and smash the guy with it... but why would he need to do that? Was it just to underscore Nacho not being there?

Did Nacho poison Lalo? Could episode 1 of season 6 be Lalo staggering out past the gate, then dropping dead?

I would watch the everloving crap out of a Los Pollos Hermanos spinoff.

Like... some kind of dark sitcom in the restaurant itself?

And yeah, Breaking Bad was pretty light on compelling main female characters, although I really dug Skyler. She was always caught between a rock and a hard place. But nobody compares to Kim.

I'm pretty much in the popular "I don't like Skyler at all" camp. They had many opportunities to redeem her in season 4 and 5 but they would always take the opposite way.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Like... some kind of dark sitcom in the restaurant itself?

I'm pretty much in the popular "I don't like Skyler at all" camp. They had many opportunities to redeem her in season 4 and 5 but they would always take the opposite way.

No, I was thinking the early days of Gus and Max. And maybe frame it with black-and-white restaurant scenes.

Eh, I wouldn't say I LIKED Skyler. But I felt pretty sorry for her. Her husband was completely untrustworthy and ruined their relationship.

Why should I take Walt's side against her?

[CyberCubed]

The only other type of movie I can see them making is something with Flynn/Walter Jr. as an adult with his sister Holly, but that would have to take place in the real time that passed so like 10+ years after Breaking Bad ended since the actor is old now. And even then what would you do.

Jesse is in Alaska so he is out of the picture, and well, everyone else is dead. I'm sure Saul and Kim will get some kind of ending when Better Call Saul ends so they wouldn't be considered.

[Andrew NDB]

No, I was thinking the early days of Gus and Max. And maybe frame it with black-and-white restaurant scenes.

Oh, I see. Yeah, at this point, if we're doing SUPER young Gus, it's got to be somebody else. Which doesn't mean that yeah, there couldn't be a narrative framework with Giancarlo Esposito as older Gus.

Eh, I wouldn't say I LIKED Skyler. But I felt pretty sorry for her. Her husband was completely untrustworthy and ruined their relationship.

Why should I take Walt's side against her?

It's a complicated situation. Mostly I just wanted her to either come more into his corner and help him out or conversely just move out and that's that. This middle of the road "I'm not going to snitch on you (only for selfish reasons, though), I'm just going to sit here and wait for you to die and maybe sometimes cheat on you" doesn't sit right with me.

The only other type of movie I can see them making is something with Flynn/Walter Jr. as an adult with his sister Holly, but that would have to take place in the real time that passed so like 10+ years after Breaking Bad ended since the actor is old now. And even then what would you do.

Oh, plenty. And it's crazy enough that it could work, we talked about this earlier. Though could that guy carry a SERIES on his back? I'm not sure. It'd need to have a hook. I'm sure they could if they put their minds to it.

Jesse is in Alaska so he is out of the picture, and well, everyone else is dead. I'm sure Saul and Kim will get some kind of ending when Better Call Saul ends so they wouldn't be considered.

Yeah, probably not. My guess is that some of the extra 3 episodes in season 6 are full-on Gene/Cinnabon stuff. And he finds some way to reunite with Kim, or Kim rescues him somehow. Like, when he used the Disappearer, he probably never even told her about that... he just wanted to protect her. But ever since she's been looking for him.

[CyberCubed]

Since Robert Forster died in real life they're probably not even going to use the vaccume guy in the last season, (if he's mentioned it'll just be off-screen).

While making a whole series about an adult Walter Jr/Flynn might be a hard sell, if anyone could do it, it's the creators. If you told me 5 years ago they were going to make a whole prequel spinoff about Saul Goodman, a silly comical side character in Breaking Bad, and somehow make 5 seasons out of it, it would have sounded ridiculous. But they made it work and many even feel the show is better than Breaking Bad.

Flynn began to hate his father by the end of the series so I don't know how they could use that angle. And seeing a now 60+ year old Skyla and 10-12 year old Holly might be interesting. I mean it's too bad Hank died because he and Flynn had an interesting dynamic going for awhile they could have used now that he's an adult, oh well

[Andrew NDB]

When adult Walt Jr. gets all that money it could change everything. In fact, that should be the end of the first episode.

[CyberCubed]

I mean this is what "Walt Jr." looks like now:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/RJ_Mitte_April_2015.jpg

There would obviously have to be the same kind of time skip between when Breaking Bad ended back in 2013 as there was in real life for him to play the character. 7+ years had passed, he's not a 16 year old anymore.

[Andrew NDB]

So, about the same.

When did Walt say Walt Jr. would get the money? It'd be a bit problematic to kick off the show with Walt Jr. already having that money for many years. Not impossible though.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So, about the same.

When did Walt say Walt Jr. would get the money? It'd be a bit problematic to kick off the show with Walt Jr. already having that money for many years. Not impossible though.

On his 18th birthday, 6 months from when Walt leaves the money with Gretchen and Eliot.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh no!

https://deadline.com/2021/07/bob-odenkirk-collapses-set-better-call-saul-hospital-1234801211/

[neatoman]

Oh no!

https://deadline.com/2021/07/bob-odenkirk-collapses-set-better-call-saul-hospital-1234801211/

I hope he'll be fine. Does he have any history of health problems?

[Andrew NDB]

Still bizarrely no word about season 6 (or "6A" as I guess it will be called), but as I'm doing a rewatch of all of Saul and now Breaking Bad again... I gotta wonder.

Assuming Nacho survives Saul season 6, and maybe even Lalo. Some kind of post-Breaking Bad show with Nacho, Pinkman, and Saul, Lalo circling about while Walt Jr. gets Walt Sr.'s money... maybe that could be something.

[CyberCubed]

I honestly keep forgetting this show is still going and we're getting one last season. It's just so strange, a lot of people feel the Breaking Bad universe ended in 2013 or so, but here we are in 2022 and the universe that started in 2008 is STILL going.

It's crazy, this franchise is almost 15 years old.

[Andrew NDB]

Trailer for the last season:

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Season hits 4/18.

I'm wondering who the hell that guy is supposed to be at the end of the trailer that's in front of Lalo Salamanca. Is that the same guy who was bugging Saul in last season's Cinnabon flash-forward?

[sdp]

I honestly keep forgetting this show is still going and we're getting one last season. It's just so strange, a lot of people feel the Breaking Bad universe ended in 2013 or so, but here we are in 2022 and the universe that started in 2008 is STILL going.

It's crazy, this franchise is almost 15 years old.
Breaking Bad is so overrated, I'm sure this show is good since the premise works for side stories but I just have no interest in returning to that universe or ever rewatching it. I liked it but meh, I also didn't watch the epilogue movie either. I feel most people feel that way about spin offs.

[CyberCubed]

I didn't watch Breaking Bad when it originally aired, I saw it for the first time I think back in 2018 or so? And rewatched it twice since then, the performances of the cast really sell the series. Even rewatching it and knowing this time around what will happen and where certain character arcs go, it's even more rewarding because you pick up on things you missed or didn't notice the first time around.

Better Call Saul is arguably a better series though. The trailer looks fantastic.

[Andrew NDB]

Breaking Bad is so overrated, I'm sure this show is good since the premise works for side stories but I just have no interest in returning to that universe or ever rewatching it. I liked it but meh, I also didn't watch the epilogue movie either. I feel most people feel that way about spin offs.

Well you're in the minority. And thank goodness for that. When Saul is over we'll have gotten 11 seasons of critically acclaimed and awarded TV and even a movie to boot. I say bring on the Rise of Gus series or a movie or a Walt Jr. sequel series.

[Powder]

Losing my mind at this trailer, things are gonna get so intense.

Seeing Jeff at the end working with Lalo spells a nasty end for Gene, I suspect... I'm riddled with anxiety! :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Seeing Jeff at the end working with Lalo spells a nasty end for Gene, I suspect... I'm riddled with anxiety! :tlol:

That IS Jeff, right? Just with a mustache?

Could be Saul helps Lalo escape via the Disappearer and then Saul calls in a favor with Lalo to handle Jeff. Maybe. And bet at some point in the last episodes the Gene stuff fades from B&W to color and fully becomes "the present."

[CyberCubed]

It's weird how exciting that trailer is despite knowing the ultimate fates of everyone like Saul (for the most part), Gus, Mike, Hector, and the rest of them besides Kim, Nacho and I guess Howard.

It says a lot about the storytelling that we all know where most of the characters will end up yet it still feels very exciting to watch. I predict Kim will live and reunite with Saul after the future segment.

[Andrew NDB]

We don't know for sure about Lalo either. We just know that Gus believes he is dead in Breaking Bad.

It says a lot about the storytelling that we all know where most of the characters will end up yet it still feels very exciting to watch. I predict Kim will live and reunite with Saul after the future segment.

Definitely. She was working with him behind the scenes during Breaking Bad (and living in that house for sale they randomly visited last season) and then will reunite in the Cinnabon stuff. Like, we'll see their tearful goodbye when Saul has to go to the disappearer.

[CyberCubed]

Yeah, it also wouldn't make sense for Saul to be acting the way he does in Breaking Bad if Kim was dead. I could see her being locked up in jail for some time too as that would explain her absence, but I'm sure she's alive.

Pretty sure Lalo will die as all villains in this series meet their end, and it ties up loose ends. Nacho will probably kill him.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, it also wouldn't make sense for Saul to be acting the way he does in Breaking Bad if Kim was dead.

Then again... in Saul's first appearance on Breaking Bad, he makes chauvinistic remarks about wanting to have sex with his secretary. Though I think that was because they were just figuring out his character at that time... because we never hear him say anything like that again.

I could see her being locked up in jail for some time too as that would explain her absence, but I'm sure she's alive.

Surely Saul would have insulated her from any of that stuff. That would be the whole point of her remaining the "secret wife." Though you can bet while he went to the Cinnabon courtesy of the Disappearer, Kim has been working behind the scenes to find him or something.

Though that brings up an interesting point. When Walt was first considering using the Disappearer (before it turned out that Skyler spent all of their money), the Disappearer was going to disappear his whole family, together. If Saul was still with Kim, even if the law wasn't looking for her... surely the Disappearer could have sent them off together, as a couple, similarly? So either Kim was like, "This is your fault! You disappear, I'm not going!" or what's more likely, is that Saul just Disappeared himself and maybe left a note or something. Taking the bullet and not wanting to ruin her career/life any further.

Pretty sure Lalo will die as all villains in this series meet their end, and it ties up loose ends. Nacho will probably kill him.

I agree he'll probably die... but the possibilities if he does not are more intriguing.

Also, clearly something bad happens between Mike and Saul in this. Yeah, they're still associates by the time of Breaking Bad, but Mike was 100% ready to execute Saul halfway into the show. I don't see the Mike currently in Better Call Saul as being willing to do that.

[Andrew NDB]

Both Walt and Jessie are going to be in season 6:

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-news/better-call-saul-breaking-bad-walter-white-pinkman-1335540/

[Powder]

My first laugh of the day. That's great.

[CyberCubed]

Sometimes I legit forget we're getting another season. My mind still feels like Better Call Saul ended a few years ago now.

[Andrew NDB]

Just saw the first new episode of season 6. Badass! Though they broke the tradition of opening the season with Gene so they must be saving that for the end. Instead the opening scene was what looks like the aftermath of Breaking Bad, the government seizing everything inside that house he was looking at with Kim last season (which has now been Scarfaced up).

Gonna watch the second one in a bit. Lalo is a beast.

[Andrew NDB]

Damn... they just

killed Nacho. Brutal.

[Andrew NDB]

So I'm gonna venture a theory and we'll see if it's true:

Kim and Saul separate when we hit the end of the Breaking Bad era. Like, Kim probably wants to go with Jimmy with the Disappearer but Jimmy somehow "tricks" her and goes alone, as we see in BB. So he's alone as Gene at the Cinnabon and all. Now, at the end of all the Gene stuff... Kim finds him. Turns out Lalo is still alive, even then. Somehow, some way with Kim's help it is worked out that as long as Jimmy helps the feds/testifies against Lalo or otherwise "gives" them Lalo, he is able to return to his normal life with Kim. Probably doesn't get to practice law anymore, but something.

This is also predicated on something happening soon that makes Gus completely convinced Lalo is dead.

[CyberCubed]

I didn't expect Nacho to die so early in the season. Literally episode 3...I thought he would make it till the end.

The rest of the season is fine, if a little show so far. We're basically just seeing Saul/Kim carry out their pranks on Howard, but some of it is amusing. Gus is paranoid that Lalo will come for him which will happen at some point. I'm pretty sure Kim is just going to jail for whatever happens to Howard by the end, and she's in jail for the period Breaking Bad is airing.

I expect Saul and Kim to reunite after it ends.

[Andrew NDB]

I didn't expect Nacho to die so early in the season. Literally episode 3...I thought he would make it till the end.

Jeeze. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense, particularly them probably wanting to start things off with a meaningful bang.

I was hoping for big things for him, possibly even the potential to spin him off into something. Though as we get into the Breaking Bad timeframe and beyond, maybe not much of a place for him, and his sidestory would take away too much from the A Plot?

Also, a little bit disappointing how his death sort of just happened in a vacuum. It happened, and two episodes later and no one is grieving him or seeing any repercussions for him. Though I can definitely see Giancarlo incorporating his reactions to that in almost everything he's doing now.

The rest of the season is fine, if a little slow so far. We're basically just seeing Saul/Kim carry out their pranks on Howard, but some of it is amusing. Gus is paranoid that Lalo will come for him which will happen at some point.

The latest episode makes it clear he will. No idea at all what Gus is thinking with what he did in the superlab there. A trap? Seems awfully presumptive.

The Howard stuff is fantastic. I wish it would keep going, but I know we're running out of runway here. They keep hinting about "what comes next" with him, as if it's all planned out. I wonder what it will be. I'm sure Howard's private eye thing is going to backfire for him. Maybe Saul even is counting on it. ALTHOUGH... one thing they've definitely set up here is the cars following people stuff.

* We know from Kim's meeting with Mike that she now knows that Lalo is alive. We know that she isn't telling Saul that, because it would rattle him and she doesn't want to do that. We also know that Mike convinced her that the people following her around are just looking out for Lalo, so she should ignore them. But now we have Howard's private eye driving around following people... so we may end up with a scenario where Howard's private eye is seeing Saul doing something bad and Kim seeing it and her saying nothing about it. Add in paranoid Gus to the equation, and there seems like several unpredictable elements on a collision course here.

Whatever the case, obviously it doesn't stick. Saul seems completely golden by his first appearance in Breaking Bad.

I'm pretty sure Kim is just going to jail for whatever happens to Howard by the end, and she's in jail for the period Breaking Bad is airing.

Naw, no way. I bet she's active for all of it and then the plan is they go into get Disappeared together but he fakes her out somehow. Something like that. Him sort of falling on his sword for her.

Plus if Saul Goodman's wife went to jail that would be a public records thing. That would put her out in the open and also rub off on Saul. Plus Saul would never allow that to happen.

I expect Saul and Kim to reunite after it ends.

100%.

[superstaff]

I know this is a thread for BCS, but I got this recommended to me on Youtube today, and I think BrBa and BCS fans alike (...which BCS fans tend to like BrBa anyhow, lol) can appreciate this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KvRpO7oNNA

God, everything about Breaking Bad is a masterpiece. Everything. That is all.

Edit: I also got this clip, also related to Saul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Oc25Y2kG0

It was so satisfying to see Jesse's greedy, narcissistic, jerk ass parents get got.

[CyberCubed]

Rhea Seehorn just turned 50 years old. Shocking.

[Andrew NDB]

I don't know... can we really blame Jesse's parents for their actions? We catch Jesse at a particular juncture in his life and don't get to see all the sh**ty things he did to them over the years.

Rhea Seehorn just turned 50 years old. Shocking.

I didn't used to like her but she's definitely grown on me bigtime over the years.

[superstaff]

I don't know... can we really blame Jesse's parents for their actions? We catch Jesse at a particular juncture in his life and don't get to see all the sh**ty things he did to them over the years.


Yes. I blame them.

He wasn't perfect, and he had problems, specifically drug problems, but their solution was to basically kick him out of their lives, and also act like he was a burden whenever he did come around. Rather than attempt to hear him out, and get him real help (and not dump expectations on him), they decided to just treat him like he's scum. Even in the clip I linked, they basically cringe at his presence.

They also very much make their favoritism of Jesse's younger brother very obvious, and also seem to be lumping a lot of expectations on him, in spite of the stress they are putting on the young kid... I think they are snobby a-holes who want their children to be the way they deem fit, or they'll be cast out. I've known some Jesse types who have parents like his, so it helped me to put the pieces together on the show as well. Also, judging from the fact Jesse's bro also began to smoke as a means of coping with their crap makes it obvious to me that his parents are a huge part of why Jesse turned to drugs.

[Jester]

Oh my god, they killed Howard.
You bastards!

[Andrew NDB]

And that's been a huge rumor going around for like a year. "Lalo's gonna kill Howard!" But I've always dismissed it, like that's ridiculous.

Kind of an odd choice for a mid-season break, though? Like, they can't do the time skip now, do they?

[Andrew NDB]

It's back tonight! I expect good things or at least big things.

[CyberCubed]

After the Lalo confrontation pretty much expecting this ep to be slower than the previous one since it's meant to unwind.

I suppose the Lalo/Gus confrontation will happen around the third new ep, as there will only be 3 eps after that to wrap up any present Gene/Kim stuff.

[Andrew NDB]

After the Lalo confrontation pretty much expecting this ep to be slower than the previous one since it's meant to unwind.

I suppose the Lalo/Gus confrontation will happen around the third new ep, as there will only be 3 eps after that to wrap up any present Gene/Kim stuff.

I guess not? Done in one.

[Powder]

Well, back with a bang, eh? It's a little frustrating how slow some episodes are, considering how much there is left to wrap up in so little time, but it was great all the same.

[CyberCubed]

The tension was so great in this episode, Rhea Seehorn's acting was amazing especially in the car as she was driving to Gus' home, she's a great actress and you can tell she was believeably scared out of her mind.

Lalo was amazing in the ep and Gus was handled really well. He pretty much expected Jimmy or whoever to get killed going to Gus' house, and then he was probably going to come back and kill the other one left behind. There were also a lot of good shots in the episode. I liked how Mike and the others had to figure out what was going on.

The minor scenes like Gus calling Lyle to take over the store as manager the same night Gus was shot in body armor made me laugh. Gus is down to business even the same night he almost got assassinated. :lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Episode wasn't exactly what I wanted and was a little predictable but... plus side, now the last 5 episodes can focus on Saul getting where he needs to be, for sure.

Well, back with a bang, eh? It's a little frustrating how slow some episodes are, considering how much there is left to wrap up in so little time, but it was great all the same.

I wouldn't call the latest episode slow. It did wrap up the single largest subplot from the last 3 seasons with a nice little bow and finesse. Now that that's put to bed, though, they can't afford to be slow with these last 5 episodes. We better rapid fire get a ton of things. Bill Burr, superlab completion, Walt & Jessie, satisfying Gene resolution.

The tension was so great in this episode, Rhea Seehorn's acting was amazing especially in the car as she was driving to Gus' home, she's a great actress and you can tell she was believeably scared out of her mind.

Lalo was amazing in the ep and Gus was handled really well. He pretty much expected Jimmy or whoever to get killed going to Gus' house, and then he was probably going to come back and kill the other one left behind.

Probably. He killed the wife of that guy whose body he burned to pass off as his own, and that was in Mexico. Surely he'd kill Saul when the deed was done.

There were also a lot of good shots in the episode. I liked how Mike and the others had to figure out what was going on.

100% Gus hatched a plan from the moment he put the gun in the tractor treads episodes ago and it 100% worked. My only criticism would be that it was too neat and tidy. Everything hinged on Lalo not immediately shooting Gus in the head and allowing him to speechify in the lab, which was gambling on a lot of random factors.

The minor scenes like Gus calling Lyle to take over the store as manager the same night Gus was shot in body armor made me laugh. Gus is down to business even the same night he almost got assassinated. :lol:

I took that as not down to business but Gus being understandably in a very, very good mood. Did you see that huge smile? It is full steam ahead for him now, smooth sailing. He can resume construction on the superlab and all, undeterred.

[CyberCubed]

Also Kim pointing to the Gus body double saying she was supposed to shoot him was hilarious too. Speaking of that I'm surprised Gus told them to let Kim go just like that. Maybe Mike persuaded him or he was in a good mood as you said.

So Lalo and Howard were buried under the lab all this time. And Saul did never find out Lalo died just that he wasn't coming back so it fits with Breaking Bad.

[Andrew NDB]

Also Kim pointing to the Gus body double saying she was supposed to shoot him was hilarious too.

That was pretty good.

Speaking of that I'm surprised Gus told them to let Kim go just like that.

Yeah, there's a lot of big flags there. Kim could easily later on look up the address of whose house that was, see that it belongs to Gustavo Fring and connect the dots that he must be somehow in bed with the cartels. Risky business on Gus' part. Mike had to have vouched for her, particularly with her being the wife of Saul and all.

So Lalo and Howard were buried under the lab all this time.

Practically on top of one another. That was messed up.

Also, what about all of Gus' dead henchmen upstairs that Lalo killed? Is there some reason they wouldn't go in the hole, too?

And Saul did never find out Lalo died just that he wasn't coming back so it fits with Breaking Bad.

Yeah, Mike told him he wasn't coming back without explicitly saying he was dead. Just enough doubt that he might still say what he says here:

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That reminds me. Damn. 5 episodes from the end of the series and Saul hasn't even gotten his LWYRUP car yet.

[CyberCubed]

We're definitely going to get whole episodes set in the "present" which is why we still have 5 eps left and all the major plots are pretty much wrapped up. I definitely think next week will just be a wind-down or aftermath ep, seeing Saul and Kim move on with their work while maybe Cliff asks them about Howard. I also imagine we'll see Gus pay Hector a visit again and maybe more with Lyle at Los Pollos Hermanos (a week can past by in-universe).

I think we need another breather episode, so next week should be slow and steady. I guess the weeks after will be setting Saul up more in his office at the strip mall, and the signs of whatever happens with Kim. I don't think she'll die and I definitely don't think she and Saul ever break up, this ep proves she was willing to kill a complete stranger for his safety.

[Andrew NDB]

We're definitely going to get whole episodes set in the "present" which is why we still have 5 eps left and all the major plots are pretty much wrapped up. I definitely think next week will just be a wind-down or aftermath ep, seeing Saul and Kim move on with their work while maybe Cliff asks them about Howard. I also imagine we'll see Gus pay Hector a visit again and maybe more with Lyle at Los Pollos Hermanos (a week can past by in-universe).

I was saying this elsewhere, but also maybe Gus finds some way to help Nacho's dad. Out of the respect he finally had for him, at the end.

I think we need another breather episode, so next week should be slow and steady. I guess the weeks after will be setting Saul up more in his office at the strip mall, and the signs of whatever happens with Kim.

They have to move into that house, he has to get that car, he has to get the strip mall office its blow-up Statue of Liberty from the Kettlemans and... about a year has to pass before it'll hit the beginning of Breaking Bad season 1.

So some kind of time skip or time skip montage is coming, for sure.

I don't think she'll die and I definitely don't think she and Saul ever break up, this ep proves she was willing to kill a complete stranger for his safety.

But obviously they do separate. Kim didn't go with Saul to the Disappearer. I'm almost 200% sure he does that to protect her, though, and without her knowledge.

Also, I didn't realize that Spooge from this season...

https://i.ibb.co/1vg372W/Untitled-2.jpg

... is this guy from Breaking Bad:

https://i.ibb.co/MCdSTCN/Untitled-4.jpg

[CyberCubed]

As an aside since we only have 5 eps left, I am happy they never "confirmed" that Gus was gay. Some speculation his partner that was killed in front of him in those flashbacks was his lover but they left it ambiguous and never confirmed it. If this was any other series they would be making a big deal out of Gus "revealed" to be gay to pander to certain crowds, so I'm glad they didn't do it.

Granted Gus is a murderer and drug smuggler, so revealing he's gay would probably be anti-representation for these people. I don't think they need to homo him up, but his lack of a wife at his age (especially in his 40's) is suspicious.

[Andrew NDB]

As an aside since we only have 5 eps left, I am happy they never "confirmed" that Gus was gay. Some speculation his partner that was killed in front of him in those flashbacks was his lover but they left it ambiguous and never confirmed it. If this was any other series they would be making a big deal out of Gus "revealed" to be gay to pander to certain crowds, so I'm glad they didn't do it.

Granted Gus is a murderer and drug smuggler, so revealing he's gay would probably be anti-representation for these people. I don't think they need to homo him up, but his lack of a wife at his age (especially in his 40's) is suspicious.

There were children's toys and drawings in his house all over the place in Breaking Bad so we've seen a little bit of a retcon here. Here, we see inside his house and it's immaculately clean with no toys or drawings of any kind anywhere.

I think we're to infer that he staged the toys/paintings for Walt's benefit, doesn't have a wife/kids, and is in fact a homosexual. But maybe closer to asexual, after he lost his "butt brother" (Hector's words). And yeah, while probably the thought crossed their heads about officially outing Gus, TPTB probably thought better of it when considering how that might be received. i.e., the LGBTQ outcry about a black gay male being depicted as the leader of a global meth empire/mafia, because LGBTQ are only allowed to be angel-like characters in the arts now.

[Andrew NDB]

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Damn, let this guy take a crack at the whole show.

[Powder]

The re-casting of Jeff is quite unfortunate, but, I guess it doesn't matter, considering I can't really see the original guy doing what the new one did. He was a lot scarier, after all.

Sure didn't expect the whole rest of the series to be Gene episodes, but it seems that's the route we're going. Finally, IMO!

[neatoman]

Anyone thinking the "bad crowd" might have been the neo nazis?

[Andrew NDB]

The re-casting of Jeff is quite unfortunate, but, I guess it doesn't matter, considering I can't really see the original guy doing what the new one did. He was a lot scarier, after all.

Sure didn't expect the whole rest of the series to be Gene episodes, but it seems that's the route we're going. Finally, IMO!

Yeah, the first Jeff actor was way better. More weasely. I guess he was busy, I read. But two years between seasons and they couldn't figure out scheduling for him?

I know we'll get more Saul during Breaking Bad somehow but I hope it's not going to be a Darth Vader in the SW prequels situation... where you only get a tiny bit at the end. Or maybe things happen in reverse. We get the Kim reunion with Gene then they happily reflect on what they were up to during key Breaking Bad stuff.

[CyberCubed]

I hope all the remaining episodes aren't in black and white. We're going to get least one Breaking Bad era episode, since Walt and Jessie are confirmed to be in an ep, I wonder why they didn't place it before this one in the episode order since the previous episode led right into it. I guess we'll see Mike and Gus one last time in that ep, maybe. If not, the previous ep was Gus' final appearance.

After that I guess the final 2 episodes are just Saul and Kim reuniting, they really have nothing else to do. Saul now solved the Jeff situation and all other plotlines are resolved, so unless it's just him making Cinnabon rolls for the next last 2 episodes, I guess we'll see how he and Kim reunite. I get the feeling next time we see Kim though she'll have moved on, revealed she married someone and has 2 kids or something.

[Andrew NDB]

They've already said Walt and Jessie will be in "more than one."

[Andrew NDB]

Well, we got it.

Walt and Jessie show up. It's a recreation of the scene where they first took Saul to the desert. It follows them when they go back into the RV and that's where the new stuff happens. Jessie asks who Lalo is. Nothing really substantial happens and it could probably be cut out just fine.

Yeesh, but about the episode itself. I'm enjoying things but I'm NOT liking where things appear to be going. Gene became pretty unrepentantly evil here with his latest scheme which doesn't bode well for getting too much of a happy ending. At best, maybe it's going to be he finally goes to prison and Kim just comes and visits him there at the end.

[CyberCubed]

While I liked last weeks in isolation with the Cinnabon plot, I am kinda disappointed the last 4 episodes will apparently just be about Gene and Jeff schemes to con people. One episode was fine to resolve Jeff from not ratting Saul out, but the whole rest of the series? Having most of the episode in black and white doesn't help matters either.

We know he'll meet Kim again probably in the next episode, but aside from that having not just Better Call Saul, but the entire Breaking Bad universe which started in 2008 end with this "story arc" feels kinda weird. Especially since barring another prequel series, this is probably the end of this universe. I hope there's some other twist in the final two episodes then.

Besides that it's weird how much older Jessie looked here than in El Camino, when that movie came out as recently as 2019. Did Aaron Paul really age that much in just 3 years? Even his voice is different now. I mean he obviously looked a little older in El Camino than Breaking Bad, but here he looks much older for some reason. And this was only filmed like 3 years apart?

[Andrew NDB]

I don't think we're going to get more Gene and Jeff schemes. I think that is it, and he may not even get out of this one a free man.

I'm sure the idea was that even the mention of Kim from his secretary was enough to turn him "full evil." That they're that bad for each other. I really hope they don't go down a depressing route.

[CyberCubed]

I don't think they'll kill Saul, but the scene of the grave Walt/Jessie dug for him transitioning into him sleeping in his bed doesn't bode well. But I still think it's unlikely since they killed off a lot of major characters this series.

Jail time is the most likely, even if it'll be kinda predictable. Otherwise they would just keep him working a low-profile job like Cinnabon for the rest of his life, but Saul just can't stay put.

[Powder]

One thing of note, which could very well just be misdirection, is that Vince has said he's read tons of theories online about how the end will go down, & supposedly nobody's really gotten it right.

[Andrew NDB]

One thing of note, which could very well just be misdirection, is that Vince has said he's read tons of theories online about how the end will go down, & supposedly nobody's really gotten it right.

"Gene starts pulling schemes and gets arrested and goes to prison and then gets a visit from Kim at the end" hasn't been a running theory, so yeah... :(

[neatoman]

So it seems that a twist with Kim was "leaked" by way of German dubbing ****ing up the intent of the phone booth scene:
During the phone call, it turned out that Kim is in prison and that she turned herself in.

[CyberCubed]

The weird thing is the time gap. At this point of the series Saul and Kim have been separated for what, around 5 years? The Gene eps take place in 2010. Kim was absent for the whole Breaking Bad era.

At this point you would assume Kim would have moved on and gotten married to someone and have 2 kids by now. Which might very well happen, because it doesn't make sense for her or Saul to still be in contact after 5+ years. I hope the writers don't treat this like it's just a few months later or something.

Most likely we'll find out Kim remarried a random person and is now a mother, so that's why she and Saul won't wind up back together.

[Andrew NDB]

The weird thing is the time gap. At this point of the series Saul and Kim have been separated for what, around 5 years? The Gene eps take place in 2010. Kim was absent for the whole Breaking Bad era.

The Gene eps take place less than a year after the end of Breaking Bad (which was also 2010), which only seemingly began about a year after Kim left Jimmy. It couldn't be more than that since it would take about a year -- at most -- to complete work on the superlab and everything was brand new, in the wrapping paper even when it was gifted to Walt.

So... Saul and Kim have been separated for about 2 years and some change, at most.

Most likely we'll find out Kim remarried a random person and is now a mother, so that's why she and Saul won't wind up back together.

Well, apparently we know the answer, if you peep the spoilers in neatoman's post above.

Though if she's in prison, what would she be there for, exactly? Beyond kind of being an accomplice in defaming Howard, what would be prison-worthy? Perhaps she does something during the Breaking Bad days we haven't seen yet, and that's what she turns herself in for.

[neatoman]

Oh, I need to make a bit of a retraction here, turns out I misread the information.
It's not that Kim turned herself in, it's that Saul points out that she might as well turn herself. The implication seems to be that she either has done something or that she is telling Saul to come out of hiding and face justice.

[Andrew NDB]

Oh, I need to make a bit of a retraction here, turns out I misread the information.
It's not that Kim turned herself in, it's that Saul points out that she might as well turn herself. The implication seems to be that she either has done something or that she is telling Saul to come out of hiding and face justice.

Christ, that's even worse.

[Andrew NDB]

Well this second to last episode was a doozy. Gene is almost murderous now. I don't know how we'd get a happy ending at all, at this point.

And Cybercubed did call it. Kim did marry a random dude.

[neatoman]

You know what's funny? They didn't find Howard's body despite the site of his grave getting a thorough investigation after Walt blew it up.

[Andrew NDB]

They didn't find Howard's body despite the site of his grave getting a thorough investigation after Walt blew it up.

Or did they?

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1642468/better-call-saul-howard-lalo-bodies-breaking-bad-amc-netflix

[neatoman]

Or did they?

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1642468/better-call-saul-howard-lalo-bodies-breaking-bad-amc-netflix

No, Walt killed two guys who were guarding Jesse and left their bodies in the inferno. Those are clearly the two bodies being referred to, had they found Howard and Lalo, they would have referenced four bodies.

[Andrew NDB]

So that's that.

Saul is in prison forever and occasionally will get visits from Kim. Meh!

[CyberCubed]

I loved all the final scenes with each character like Mike, Walt and Chuck. They did so much with their characters in those flashbacks especially since they're all dead now. Lots of talk about regrets.

The final arc was Saul reverting back to Jimmy and accepted everything he had done which is why he confessed and brought his sentence from 7 years back to 86. What I also liked is Kim is back on her feet and seems to return to law again and is not ready to stay as a wallflower anymore. Most likely she will leave the waterworks and yup man after this episode and try to get reinstated in law. She also still showed affection for Jimmy and is thankfully not left to rot like her previous ep.

While Jimmy going to jail is predictable I liked how they did it. He's basically a celebrity in jail and will likely help some of the inmates with their law problems. Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn both said in interviews they believe their characters visit each other regularly after this episode and that Rhea feels Kim is a romantic at heart. So I guess that implies they will always care for one another. Whether Jimmy does the full 80 years essentially the rest of his life in prison or not remains to be seen.

[Andrew NDB]

It would have been good if the 7 years thing had been fully locked in, Saul still does his tell-all, and then we fast forward to 2022 and we get an epilogue of him getting out of prison and Kim waiting there for him.

[neatoman]

It would have been good if the 7 years thing had been fully locked in, Saul still does his tell-all, and then we fast forward to 2022 and we get an epilogue of him getting out of prison and Kim waiting there for him.

... How much "good behavior" would you need to reduce 80 years to 11 years?

[Andrew NDB]

... How much "good behavior" would you need to reduce 80 years to 11 years?

I mean, if his deal with the DA for the 7 years was airtight. Meaning, no matter what he said after that, it wouldn't hurt him. As it was, they threw the 7 year deal out the window as soon as he started going on and on about his crimes.

[Powder]

I loved all the final scenes with each character like Mike, Walt and Chuck. They did so much with their characters in those flashbacks especially since they're all dead now. Lots of talk about regrets.

The final arc was Saul reverting back to Jimmy and accepted everything he had done which is why he confessed and brought his sentence from 7 years back to 86. What I also liked is Kim is back on her feet and seems to return to law again and is not ready to stay as a wallflower anymore. Most likely she will leave the waterworks and yup man after this episode and try to get reinstated in law. She also still showed affection for Jimmy and is thankfully not left to rot like her previous ep.

While Jimmy going to jail is predictable I liked how they did it. He's basically a celebrity in jail and will likely help some of the inmates with their law problems. Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn both said in interviews they believe their characters visit each other regularly after this episode and that Rhea feels Kim is a romantic at heart. So I guess that implies they will always care for one another. Whether Jimmy does the full 80 years essentially the rest of his life in prison or not remains to be seen.

It would have been good if the 7 years thing had been fully locked in, Saul still does his tell-all, and then we fast forward to 2022 and we get an epilogue of him getting out of prison and Kim waiting there for him.

https://c.tenor.com/UAyJAtrZqZQAAAAC/yup-better-call-saul.gif

[Andrew NDB]

Most likely she will leave the waterworks and yup man after this episode and try to get reinstated in law.

I thought it was implied that she already was? Before she came in didn't the guard say something about "lawyer"?

Although, even if she was able to be reactivated (or I guess she never was deactivated?)... wouldn't she almost immediately be disbarred? Jimmy got disbarred almost forever just for smashing his brother's cassette tape earlier in the show while Kim just turned in a whole detailed confession to being complicit in a murder cover-up.

[CyberCubed]

She said something about her New Mexico license never expiring, forgot the exact sentence she used without going back to check. But also going to that small time law office to volunteer to help people in need makes it obvious she's going to become a full fledged lawyer again. Her final scene leaving the waterworks made it obvious she wasn't coming back, I only wish we got a scene where she broke up with her Florida boyfriend.

I think a lot of people assumed the writers would leave Kim miserable forever like the previous ep showed, so I'm glad they didn't. Kim's entire character has always been about fixing herself when she's down, "I fix me" as she did several times in past seasons, so it's who she is.

[Andrew NDB]

The showrunner hints that we may get a Kim show one day:

https://www.amc.com/blogs/better-call-saul-qa-co-creator-peter-gould-breaks-down-the-series-finale--1057584?fbclid=IwAR3qfu6nIAfkspSOVquUvsHyLv9DYibhX 4iqaENozVJp_aKAuvqiMkh0GoY

Which is funny because Rhea Seehorn herself was all but saying that had been "talks" at some point or another earlier.

[CyberCubed]

My guess is they'll do another El Camino type of movie for Kim, but I can't see a full series. An epilogue story for Kim and if Jimmy gets out of jail at some point seems like a thing we might see in the next few years.

[Andrew NDB]

It is better. Watch 4 and 5.

[sdp]

I thought Better Call Saul was supposed to be as good as breaking bad? I watched the 3 seasons already and it's disappointing. I mean I enjoy it but it's nothing special and it's not likeI was expecting to watch Breaking Bad, I wanted a Saul show, then again I never understood Breaking Bad autists that think for some reason that's the greatest show ever made. Those autists don't even realize walter white was not a bad guy and did everything for his family, way to miss the ****ing point guys.

Anywho it really takes me out of the story to see all these characters acting like they're young when they're already old as sh-t. I get it that the actors are older than they were in breaking bad and this is a prequel but omg seeing Jimmy in the flashbacks is just odd, hell even if they dim the lights so you know it's a flashback and dress them up, it looks ridiculous like that meme how do you do fellow kids. I like seeing Jimmy be more like Saul so hopefully we get more of that later. The show is also so stretched out, each season could've easily been 5 episodes tops. I love building tension for the pay off but for the silly plots the show has, it doesn't work. I definitely enjoy the show more than what my post might signal, hope it gets better.

Finished watching, seasons 4-6 are a big disappointement and downgrade over S1-3. It stopped being Better Call Saul and became "Breaking Bad Lite: The Prequel". Except it just didn't work and the only great moments in those seasons were stuff that resembled the first 3 seasons more, like wexler v goodman.

The ending was ok, I'm glad they reincorporated Kim into it but I also would've preferred a happy ending for Jimmy. Yeah crime doesn't pay blah blah, but it's the same ending as Breaking Bad, main character wants to pay for his mistakes and make things right for the ones he loves. I agree that they should've pulled a "Jimmy gets 7 years, despite confessing and because of good behavior and overcrowding he's out in 3 and gets back together with Kim". I mean they redeemed Jesse..

I also watched El Camino..what a boring concept for a BB movie, it's just a unnecessary long epilogue and if anything it tries to portray him as a good guy and a victim which couldn't be more wrong, he was definitely far worse than someone like Jimmy. The aging of the characters is super distracting,especially since they do so many flashbacks and even the "present" segments since they technically took place in years before they were filmed, and years before Todd had one too many old country buffets. I'm sure they could've done a better job, people used AI after Rogue One to make a better younger princess Leia in Rogue One and that was from a fan edit in 2016.


Both Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul are overrated as f-ck. But They're still good shows. BCS absolutely nailed it in the Jimmy/Kim dynamic and chemistry, it made the show.

[CyberCubed]

:trolleye:

[Andrew NDB]

The ending was ok, I'm glad they reincorporated Kim into it but I also would've preferred a happy ending for Jimmy. Yeah crime doesn't pay blah blah, but it's the same ending as Breaking Bad, main character wants to pay for his mistakes and make things right for the ones he loves.

On this point I agree. There had to be a way to semi-redeem him while still giving him a happy ending and NOT have him end up in prison. If someone told me before watching season 1, "In the end, he's going to prison for many years and that's that" I probably would never have started watching.

I also watched El Camino..what a boring concept for a BB movie, it's just a unnecessary long epilogue and if anything it tries to portray him as a good guy and a victim which couldn't be more wrong, he was definitely far worse than someone like Jimmy.

El Camino is a snore, that's true. Sadly. A few nice moments but nothing more, really. There just isn't a lot of meat on the bones. And they really should have waited until the Meth Damon actor could have slimmed down to do it, or just not included that character at all.