Live Action Mulan Remake

[Vicky82]

Yes, Disney have announced another live action remake this time it's Mulan. :roll:

Following Cinderella’s recent box-office success, Walt Disney Pictures has tapped Mulan as their next Disney animated character to remake into a live-action movie. Elizabeth Martin and Lauren Hynek are set to write the screenplay, while Chris Bender and J.C. Pink will produce.

Mulan, who debuted in the 1988 Disney Animation film, is one of the company’s more iconic animated heroines. In the original movie, Mulan told the tale of a young woman who takes her ailing father’s place in the ancient Chinese military. Posing a man in the male-only army, Mulan must save her country from the invading Huns.

Mulan continues Disney’s recent trend of adapting its classic cartoons into live-action films. So far, the studio has released a live-action version of Alice in Wonderland, Maleficent (a Cinderella prequel) and Cinderella. A live-action version of Beauty and the Beast, starring Emma Watson, will hit theaters in March 2017.

While no release date was announced, it’s likely that Mulan will arrive sometime in 2018.

http://comicbook.com/2015/03/30/disney-announces-live-action-mulan-remake/

For god sake Disney, what's next, a live action Bambi or The Lion King or The Fox and The Hound or what about saving your money and a do a

LIVE ACTION GARGOYLES MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Actually, I think Mulan could be pretty interesting. It hasn't been done to death like Cinderella has. I'm looking forward to it!

... Please don't hate me. :tlol:

[Jephael]

Call me when they do a live-action remake of Aladdin.

[Cure]

I saw Cinderella last week and it's the only live action fairy tale thing that was pretty good. I'll give this a chance. Might be interesting since it'll be more actiony, also.

[AT-Man]

A live-action Disney film full of Asians? I never...

[Autbot_Benz]

Enough of these Live Action Disney movies based on animated ones they made. I swear if they do Aladdin and Winnie The Pooh I am done :x

[Raph's Girl]

China has been making live action Mulan films since the 1920's and there's also been a couple stage plays and tv shows about her as well so Disney making a live action Mulan film is just...meh. The last live action Mulan film came out in 2009.

I just hope this one is more in tune with the actual (and rather tragic) story and that they cast the actress who plays her in Once Upon A Time.

[TurtleTitan97]

LIVE ACTION GARGOYLES MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could totally get behind this. Why Disney hasn't seen the awesome potential in doing a live-action adaptation is beyond me.

[Mew]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/animaljam/images/f/f9/Nonono_cat.gif/revision/latest?cb=20131023163224

[Kanon]

Call me when they do a live-action remake of Aladdin.

THAT would make sence! :D

I would vote for (please don´t hate me :embarass:) a little mermaid remake. If they make them look kinda like the ones from pirates of the caribbean, that would be awesome!

[BabyTurtles]

cool.....but they are gonna do all the princesses aren't they...??

oh man.

well can't wait for Aladdin and Little Mermaid.

maybe we can get some awesome fights in Mulan~

[Donatello19]

As long as they don't make a live action Frozen it's all good.

[DarkLightDragon]

As long as they don't make a live action Frozen it's all good.

Does Once Upon A Time sorta count?

[chrisdude]

cool.....but they are gonna do all the princesses aren't they...??

oh man.

well can't wait for Aladdin and Little Mermaid.

maybe we can get some awesome fights in Mulan~Yeah. They're doing all the Disney Princesses in live action, so they can set up the biggest crossover of all time, 'Avengers vs Disney Princesses.'

[Amaranthus]

Gotta milk dat cash-cow innit.

[Candy Kappa]

China has been making live action Mulan films since the 1920's and there's also been a couple stage plays and tv shows about her as well so Disney making a live action Mulan film is just...meh. The last live action Mulan film came out in 2009.

I just hope this one is more in tune with the actual (and rather tragic) story and that they cast the actress who plays her in Once Upon A Time.

But the Chinese movies aren't simplified and adapted to easily digested version a western/American audience can enjoy without needing to read subtitles. :P

And, isn't it just Chu Renho's version of the story where she dies?

[turtle1237]

But the Chinese movies aren't simplified and adapted to easily digested version a western/American audience can enjoy without needing to read subtitles. :P

And, isn't it just Chu Renho's version of the story where she dies?

No, she didn't die in Chu Renho's version, in that movie, she saves her section of her country(Since China was not unify during the real Mulan's time, more like a 12 kingdom kind of era.) She lost the one she loved to a marriage so peace can be made. Disney did change the story for a lot.


Now there is not much known about the real Mulan, No time of death or birth, but no record of her dying in battle. She serve the army as one of its greatness generals for ten years. It was not one or 2 battles, as Disney would like one one to believe. OH yeah and they were not fighting the Huns. It was a long drawn out war. Ten years. yes Mulan did retire after the war with high honors, and she just disappears from history after that.

I was never real sure with Disney using historic figures, as there Disney princesses, Pocahontas was bad, from Smith and Pocahontas being lovers, to Pocahontas being well build for a "12" year old. That movie had no historic fact. I felt Mulan would fall in the same way, yes I enjoy the movie, BUT like Pocahontas, which I did not enjoy, they wonder far off the truth.

I feel ok with a fiction princess like Snow White, but once you take a real life person, that was born, lived, eat, grow up, and died, than make a film that pretty much insult said person, than I don't think it should be done. Don't let Disney lie to you, Pocahontas was a insult to the memory of the historic Pocahontas. Were the movie Mulan was less of a insult being fun to watch, I not real sure the real Mulan would think about some facts being change.

[Candy Kappa]

No, she didn't die in Chu Renho's version, in that movie, she saves her section of her country(Since China was not unify during the real Mulan's time, more like a 12 kingdom kind of era.) She lost the one she loved to a marriage so peace can be made. Disney did change the story for a lot

Movie? no I mean the 1675 book by Chu Renho, pretty sure that's the one she commits suicide in.

[turtle1237]

Movie? no I mean the 1675 book by Chu Renho, pretty sure that's the one she commits suicide in.

In that one she retires, and is married off to her neighbor.

[Candy Kappa]

Reading up on Chu Renho's Sui Tang Yanyi. Mulan does commit suicide in that one.

[BubblyShell22]

Man, they're really pushing the live action stuff, aren't they? I liked the animated one with Mushu, so I wonder if they'll have him in this one. That would be cool.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Seems like Disney has really gone overboard with the LA movies of their old classic animated films, though I'm noticing a trend here- so far, they've all been fairy tales or legends, as opposed to things like Bambi, Lion King or the Pixar films. Bambi would be problematic to do in a LA format without looking silly, and Lion King suffers the same problem. Dumbo might be easier, given the "magical" element (aka elephants flying), but it looks like they're going for the fantasy element in all these LA remakes. That's a good sign that at least SOMEONE has some sense!

[Raph's Girl]

Bambi would be problematic to do in a LA format without looking silly

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[DarkLightDragon]

Seems like Disney has really gone overboard with the LA movies of their old classic animated films, though I'm noticing a trend here- so far, they've all been fairy tales or legends, as opposed to things like Bambi, Lion King or the Pixar films. Bambi would be problematic to do in a LA format without looking silly, and Lion King suffers the same problem. Dumbo might be easier, given the "magical" element (aka elephants flying), but it looks like they're going for the fantasy element in all these LA remakes. That's a good sign that at least SOMEONE has some sense!


I still blame Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland for making 1 billion worldwide for this trend.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Perhaps, but that wasn't the FIRST time Alice in Wonderland has been done in LA, either. It's just the most successful. The last one had Whoopie in it, IIRC.

[DarkLightDragon]

Perhaps, but that wasn't the FIRST time Alice in Wonderland has been done in LA, either. It's just the most successful. The last one had Whoopie in it, IIRC.

Yeah, but it was still licensed by Disney. The one you're thinking of wasn't, therefore Tim Burton's still can be attributed to all of these remakes getting greenlit.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

My point was that it's not JUST Disney doing LA versions of these stories, and Alice in Wonderland is pretty much one of the go-to stories for fairy tale/book-to-movie adaptations, along with Red Riding Hood, King Arthur, Oz, and few others I could point to. It's not really that uncommon, actually. The fact that they're legends or fairy tales mean no one owns the rights to them (public domain) so they can tell the story in any way the like. I'm not sure on the status of Wonderland books (Ie, whether any descendants of Lewis Carroll are still alive and/or still own the rights), but most stories over a certain age are pretty much fair game.

[Candy Kappa]

It would have been cool if Disney did some "original" movies between they LA remake phase they are in. I t would have been interesting to see a Disney Red Riding Hood, which they haven't done in a feature film, only two cartoon shorts and she appears in Once Upon a Time.

The only live-action Red Riding Hood movie I can recall on the top of my head was that 2011 wannabe-Twilight movie.

[DarkLightDragon]

My point was that it's not JUST Disney doing LA versions of these stories, and Alice in Wonderland is pretty much one of the go-to stories for fairy tale/book-to-movie adaptations, along with Red Riding Hood, King Arthur, Oz, and few others I could point to. It's not really that uncommon, actually. The fact that they're legends or fairy tales mean no one owns the rights to them (public domain) so they can tell the story in any way the like. I'm not sure on the status of Wonderland books (Ie, whether any descendants of Lewis Carroll are still alive and/or still own the rights), but most stories over a certain age are pretty much fair game.

I'm just saying Tim Burton's version made it popular with Disney to do, is all. No need for the public domain spiel.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Disney's been doing this for a long time, actually, with remakes of older films- Homeward Bound, Love Bug, and Shaggy Dog all had remakes, too. Zorro is another one that's been done MANY times, and Disney's TV serial in the 50's was one of them. Yes, they were all LA to start with, but the point is that Disney's been doing this for YEARS. Did everyone actually forget the LA 101 Dalmatians?? That was around long before Alice In Wonderland, but no one mentions that one. Burton's AIW didn't start the trend, it's just ONE of the first to do it with animated films. (And technically, it was more likely because of Depp's work with Disney on Pirates of the Caribbean....) And Jungle Book and Tarzan have had NUMEROUS ones, too! Heck, Beauty and the Beast has had TWO LA TV series! (Non-Disney adaptations, but still....) Disney is certainly not above mining old stories for new adaptations, any more than other film-makers are. (Hence my mention of public domain properties.) If anything, it's one of the things Disney is most known for- taking "old" stories that are well-known and familiar, and reimagining them for new generations. Though I'm still waiting for a Cat From Outer Space redeux.....

[DarkLightDragon]

Disney's been doing this for a long time, actually, with remakes of older films- Homeward Bound, Love Bug, and Shaggy Dog all had remakes, too. Zorro is another one that's been done MANY times, and Disney's TV serial in the 50's was one of them. Yes, they were all LA to start with, but the point is that Disney's been doing this for YEARS. Did everyone actually forget the LA 101 Dalmatians?? That was around long before Alice In Wonderland, but no one mentions that one. Burton's AIW didn't start the trend, it's just ONE of the first to do it with animated films. (And technically, it was more likely because of Depp's work with Disney on Pirates of the Caribbean....) And Jungle Book and Tarzan have had NUMEROUS ones, too! Heck, Beauty and the Beast has had TWO LA TV series! (Non-Disney adaptations, but still....) Disney is certainly not above mining old stories for new adaptations, any more than other film-makers are. (Hence my mention of public domain properties.) If anything, it's one of the things Disney is most known for- taking "old" stories that are well-known and familiar, and reimagining them for new generations. Though I'm still waiting for a Cat From Outer Space redeux.....

Once again, no need for the spiel.

[oldmanwinters]

I would really like a live-action Fox & the Hound, actually.

[Kanon]

What I also would like to see in live action (or in 3D animation):

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/basil_cover_6034.jpg

[DarkLightDragon]

Vincent Price though.

[THGhost]

Mulan and Cinderella are the only ones announced that make any sense. They can both be done with little-to-no CGI at all. Whereas Dumbo, Beauty & the Beast and The Little Mermaid will all need a ton of CGI. I still wish that Disney would nip this trend in the bud though.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Once again, no need for the spiel.

It's not a "spiel", I was just stating facts. My whole point is that it's not a RECENT trend, they've ALWAYS done this- and Disney himself was always fond of retelling fairy tales, legends, and classic novels. Mickey's Christmas Carol, Peter and the Wolf, Pete's Dragon (based on a book), Mickey in King Arthur's Court, The Three Mouseketeers, Paul Bunyan and Pecos Bill, etc..... Heck, you could almost say Disney's movie/TV empire was BUILT on this! Hmm, now that I think of it, a LA Paul Bunyan or Pecos Bill might be fun, too!

[Vicky82]

I'm not going to do another thread but Disney are at it again

http://comicbook.com/2015/04/08/live-action-pinocchio-movie-in-the-works/

Disney is working on a live-action adaptation of Pinocchio, to be scripted by Peter Hedges.

The original Deadline report says the film will be loosely based on the original Pinocchio story, but its unclear exactly how loosely or if the film is more directly based on Disney’s 1940 animated film, or the 1883 novel The Adventures Of Pinocchio, by Carlo Collodi, on which the cartoon was based.

Disney’s Pinocchio will be in competition with a darker Pinocchio movie currently being developed by Guillermo del Toro and the studio behind The Book of Life. That film will be stop-motion animated.

This is just the latest of several live-action adaptations Disney is working on, including live action films based on Beauty and the Beast, Mulan, and Winnie the Pooh.

It’s also not the first time they’ve found themselves in competition over a single property, as both Disney and Warner Bros. have live action Jungle Book movies in the works.

The actual story of Pinocchio is a fantasy story of a marionette who wants to be a real boy. He gets his wish, after a fashion, and comes of age by travelling Italy.

[DarkLightDragon]

Welp, I'll add another to the growing list.

[THGhost]

I swear I heard a live-action Pinocchio film was already being made with Robert Downey Jr. playing Geppetto. I wonder whatever happened to that idea. :P

And since when was Guillermo del Toro making a stop-motion Pinocchio film? That sounds awesome!

[ranger_scout]

The film is scheduled for release on November 2, 2018, which is actually around the 20th anniversary of the animated movie.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/773117-live-action-mulan-gets-a-2018-release-date

[ranger_scout]

Niki Caro, the film's director, says that right now she does not plan on including any songs from the animated movie. This is what her vision of the film be:

It's a big, girly martial arts epic. It will be extremely muscular and thrilling and entertaining and moving.

https://www.moviefone.com/2017/03/17/mulan-exclusive-niki-caro/

[Autbot_Benz]

Niki Caro, the film's director, says that right now she does not plan on including any songs from the animated movie. This is what her vision of the film be:



https://www.moviefone.com/2017/03/17/mulan-exclusive-niki-caro/

that's stupid You gotta have I'll make a man out of you its the best song from the movie.

[CyberCubed]

Disney will let the director do whatever they want?

[ranger_scout]

Lea Salonga, who provided the singing voice for Mulan, said that she is okay with the film not having any songs.

The original legend of Mulan existed for over 1,000 years without the music. The new film will stand proud and tall without the songs.

https://twitter.com/MsLeaSalonga/status/843887606769180672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

She also asks for these things for the live-action version:

I ask for two things from the live-action Mulan: one, an Asian actress that'd be believable as a boy or a man, and a hunky Shang.

https://twitter.com/MsLeaSalonga?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

[Shark_Blade]

No songs? Might be boring for the kids now......

[ranger_scout]

Disney has found their Mulan and it's Liu Yifei.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/disneys-mulan-finds-star-1061585?utm_source=twitter

The director also says that the film still might be a musical.

https://news.avclub.com/never-mind-the-live-action-mulan-might-still-be-a-musi-1798259442

[ranger_scout]

In case no one already knew, the film has been delayed till 2019.

https://movieweb.com/mulan-disney-remake-new-release-date-2019-live-action/

[ranger_scout]

Disney has now scheduled the film to be released on March 27, 2020.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/live-action-mulan-pushed-back-more-a-year-spring-2020-1090015

[NinjaPug]

Donnie Yan has joined the cast

http://deadline.com/2018/04/donnie-yen-mulan-disney-live-action-film-1202362542/

[ranger_scout]

Donnie Yan has joined the cast

http://deadline.com/2018/04/donnie-yen-mulan-disney-live-action-film-1202362542/

Looks like he will be playing a new character.

[NinjaPug]

Looks like he will be playing a new character.

Some more casting including Jet Li as the Emperor. Looks like they're changing a good bit from the movie with the villain.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/disneys-live-action-mulan-lands-gong-li-jet-li-1101994?__twitter_impression=true

[Shark_Blade]

Looks like this mess is gonna be a turd like Maleficent.

Li Shang will not be in this remake.
https://twitter.com/nerdyasians/status/985901721678303233?s=21

So he bullies her until he finds out he’s a woman. Genius storytelling. :roll:

First no music, now this? What about Mushu or the cricket? Train wreck after train wreck.

[oldmanwinters]

It's 2018.

"Be a Man" is gonna mean something completely different.

[Shark_Blade]

It's 2018.

"Be a Man" is gonna mean something completely different.

Check Mulan’s part (she’s the first one). :tlol:

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[ranger_scout]

Looks like this mess is gonna be a turd like Maleficent.

Li Shang will not be in this remake.
https://twitter.com/nerdyasians/status/985901721678303233?s=21

So he bullies her until he finds out he’s a woman. Genius storytelling. :roll:

First no music, now this? What about Mushu or the cricket? Train wreck after train wreck.

Is that really an accurate source?

[Shark_Blade]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/shang-disney-live-action-mulan_us_5ad61b50e4b0edca2cbe516e

[ranger_scout]

More casting has been announced today. The film is apparently going to have lots of new characters. Utkarsh Ambudkar (Brockmire) has signed on to play a con artist named Skath. Also, Ron Yuan (Marco Polo) will portray Sergeant Qiang, the second in command of the Imperial Regiment.

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/948091-utkarsh-ambudkar-and-ron-yuan-join-live-action-mulan

[ranger_scout]

Mulan will have a different love-interest in this film named Chen Honghui. He will be played by newcomer Yoson An. Looks like that Tweet from earlier was accurate.

https://deadline.com/2018/06/mulan-yoson-an-disney-live-action-movie-1202404804/

[Autbot_Benz]

ugh this and Aladdin are gonna suck. I will stick to the awesome animated movie that nobody asked to be made into live action

[Shark_Blade]

Mulan will have a different love-interest in this film named Chen Honghui. He will be played by newcomer Yoson An. Looks like that Tweet from earlier was accurate.

https://deadline.com/2018/06/mulan-yoson-an-disney-live-action-movie-1202404804/

Just...why....?

Why create a new love interest when there’s one exist already.:trolleye:

That’s like Aladdin loving another character like Anna or something. Ugh.

[drgon78]

So how is this supposed to be Disney's Mulan.

[ranger_scout]

Jason Scott Lee has been announced to play the other film's villain. His character is named Bori Khan, a warrior leader who is intent on avenging his father's death.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/disneys-mulan-adds-jason-scott-lee-1129918

[Shark_Blade]

I just knew there’s gonna be some more bad news before looking into this thread...

[Utrommaniac]

There are times when I think there's more than enough room for remakes to take artistic liberties. TMNT is an example of this and the DC and Marvel multiverses. I usually won't complain to much about remakes.


This, however...is barely connected to Mulan at all except for the "Chinese lady joins the army in man drag" element.

[Shark_Blade]

To recap so far.

The only characters from the classic mulan that appear in the live-action film are: Mulan & the Emperor of China.

REMOVED: Li Shang, Mushu, Shan Yu (og villain), the iconic songs

ADDED: a witch, a sister, commander tung, a thief/bandit, basic music, & Mulan having superpowers.

I hope this will flop so hard, the dishonor is real.

[Ninjinister]

I hope this will flop so hard, the dishonor is real.

They bring dishonor to us all.

Actually if this were supposed to just be a Mulan movie and not one of the Disney live-action remakes, I think a lot more people would be down for that. The story's been reinterpreted a lot of different ways over the millennia and I don't think what's been added here is too out there.

[ranger_scout]

Here is our first official look at Liu Yifei as Mulan.

https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2018/08/mulan.jpg?w=446&h=299&crop=1

Plus, additional casting has been announced.

Rosalind Chao (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine), Cheng Pei-Pei (Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon) and Nelson Lee have joined the cast of Disney’s Mulan, the latest live-action remake of the studio’s animated classics. Production is now underway on the Niki Caro-directed pic with locations in New Zealand and China.

https://deadline.com/2018/08/mulan-production-starting-new-cast-disney-1202444587/

[Utrommaniac]

]They bring dishonor to us all.

Actually if this were supposed to just be a Mulan movie and not one of the Disney live-action remakes, I think a lot more people would be down for that. The story's been reinterpreted a lot of different ways over the millennia and I don't think what's been added here is too out there.

Yeah, I would agree on that, but since this is part of the "remake" chain, every update is just

87qstckIwqs

I mean...why New Zealand??? Does China not have enough grand sweeping landscapes for them to work with???

And I know I tend to not be bothered by a lot of "changes" from TMNT, but there's a difference between those kinds of remakes, and something that's part of a chain of movies that has been, for the most part, either trying to recreate an entire movie, tell another perspective, be a "sequel", or try to "correct" what casual viewers complain about while missing the point of the story (I have...issues...with the complaints about Cinderella).




It also really feels like it's following the chain of "uwu Mulan is such a rebellious tomboy" people. Which is...no??? She was content to conform to what her family needed her to be, and was unhappy she couldn't live up to those expectations, so she jumped the gun (crossbow?) far beyond what she was capable of or what she was expected to do, because she felt her father's health and safety were important in that snap of a moment. It wasn't even something she fully thought through. She was someone who had spent that entire day fvcking up, ruining her chance of marriage in the only way she could honor her family in that culture, embarrassing her father in front of an entire crowd of people - and that is what her father felt dishonored by. Not the fact that she made a complete fool of herself in front of the matchmaker (though no one was aware of the cricket involved), that eventually led to her being set on fire...but the fact that she embarrassed him in front of the Emperor's councilor and military officials and entire crowd of people because she was freaked out over him being drafted, while elderly and handicapped by a previous war wound (supposedly). She had the flip of the coin to either restore her family's honor (and uplift her own self-respect) or be caught and sink even further down the path. And so she took that flip because her family was worth that chance. It wasn't because she was a tomboy itching to prove women were capable of more than being a happy homemaker and mother (WHICH SHE WAS CONTENT TO DO!), it was because she felt it was the only path for her to take!

And BOYYYY did she never, ever plan on going into full-on combat with the leader of her country's enemies and utterly annihilating him...and his entire army! Girl got a body count of thousands even if it was never her intent. And she did all of this, not dressed as the soldier she left home in, but in her freakin' dress!







I have a lot of feelings about Mulan and she deserves better than the "rebellious tomboy" visage people keep giving her. Not to say it's a bad thing for a character to be a rebellious tomboy, but Mulan is neither of those things.




Stay tuned for when I go on another rant on how Cinderella just wanted to take a break from work and abuse for a night, how Aurora was given absolutely no agency or control in her life, how Bell never took any of the Beast's sh*t, and that Ariel's actions to go on land were more based on her father treating her like a child and not respecting anything she had to say even before Eric came into the picture.

[ranger_scout]

Judging by this image, which was shared by director Niki Caro, it appears that "Reflection" and other songs will be included in the film after all.

Mulan. Day #1. Reflections.
#mulan #disney #yifei_cc

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dkkw0IjXgAA_XeR.jpg

http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/966591-mulan-director-shares-first-photo-from-set

[MsMarvelDuckie]

]

Yeah, I would agree on that, but since this is part of the "remake" chain, every update is just

87qstckIwqs

I mean...why New Zealand??? Does China not have enough grand sweeping landscapes for them to work with???

And I know I tend to not be bothered by a lot of "changes" from TMNT, but there's a difference between those kinds of remakes, and something that's part of a chain of movies that has been, for the most part, either trying to recreate an entire movie, tell another perspective, be a "sequel", or try to "correct" what casual viewers complain about while missing the point of the story (I have...issues...with the complaints about Cinderella).




It also really feels like it's following the chain of "uwu Mulan is such a rebellious tomboy" people. Which is...no??? She was content to conform to what her family needed her to be, and was unhappy she couldn't live up to those expectations, so she jumped the gun (crossbow?) far beyond what she was capable of or what she was expected to do, because she felt her father's health and safety were important in that snap of a moment. It wasn't even something she fully thought through. She was someone who had spent that entire day fvcking up, ruining her chance of marriage in the only way she could honor her family in that culture, embarrassing her father in front of an entire crowd of people - and that is what her father felt dishonored by. Not the fact that she made a complete fool of herself in front of the matchmaker (though no one was aware of the cricket involved), that eventually led to her being set on fire...but the fact that she embarrassed him in front of the Emperor's councilor and military officials and entire crowd of people because she was freaked out over him being drafted, while elderly and handicapped by a previous war wound (supposedly). She had the flip of the coin to either restore her family's honor (and uplift her own self-respect) or be caught and sink even further down the path. And so she took that flip because her family was worth that chance. It wasn't because she was a tomboy itching to prove women were capable of more than being a happy homemaker and mother (WHICH SHE WAS CONTENT TO DO!), it was because she felt it was the only path for her to take!

And BOYYYY did she never, ever plan on going into full-on combat with the leader of her country's enemies and utterly annihilating him...and his entire army! Girl got a body count of thousands even if it was never her intent. And she did all of this, not dressed as the soldier she left home in, but in her freakin' dress!







I have a lot of feelings about Mulan and she deserves better than the "rebellious tomboy" visage people keep giving her. Not to say it's a bad thing for a character to be a rebellious tomboy, but Mulan is neither of those things.




Stay tuned for when I go on another rant on how Cinderella just wanted to take a break from work and abuse for a night, how Aurora was given absolutely no agency or control in her life, how Bell never took any of the Beast's sh*t, and that Ariel's actions to go on land were more based on her father treating her like a child and not respecting anything she had to say even before Eric came into the picture.


Where is the applause button when I need one? Agreed to this.

[ranger_scout]

Yesterday, it was also announced that two fan-favorite characters from the animated film would be appearing in this movie. Jimmy Wong and Doua Moua have been cast as Ling and Po, respectively.

https://insidethemagic.net/2018/08/disneys-live-action-mulan-adds-jimmy-wong-and-doua-moua-as-returning-character-ling-and-po/

[ranger_scout]

Ming-Na Wen was in the dark about whether or not she would be making a cameo in the film during an interview.

“We already know for sure that it’s not gonna take another 25 years for this to happen again. So, that’s kind of nice,” she said of the film.

https://deadline.com/2018/08/ming-na-wen-joy-luck-club-anniversary-25-crazy-rich-asians-agents-of-shield-mulan-1202446156/

Just in case, no had seen it, this was reaction to her first finding out that Liu YiFei landed the part.

Congrats to #LiuYiFei ! Great choice for live action #Mulan! 👏👏👏👏#Disney

https://twitter.com/mingna/status/936042010682605568?lang=en&scrlybrkr=5a53516d

She also talks about it from 3:00 to 4:08 and 17:06 to 18:13 of this video.

q6m5FKcmb2o

[ranger_scout]

Mushu will appear in the film and the music from the original movie will be in this one as well.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2457265/the-indestructible-mushu-will-make-a-comeback-in-disneys-live-action-mulan

[Shark_Blade]

Mushu will appear in the film and the music from the original movie will be in this one as well.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2457265/the-indestructible-mushu-will-make-a-comeback-in-disneys-live-action-mulan

They finally cower in to put the musics back huh?

[ranger_scout]

The other day it was announced that another familiar character would be in the film. Chen Teng has been cast Yao.

https://deadline.com/2018/09/adrian-martinez-disney-lady-and-the-tramp-mulan-chen-tang-1202469095/

[Sage Ninja]

I really hope this doesn't suck. I want this succeed so badly. Getting rid of Shang and the reasons behind it are soooo stupid. Mulan having magical powers really lessens her abilities of being able to succeed as a warrior through sheer determination like how she did in the film and also in the original story.

I am glad tat they are slowly adding back in elements of the animated feature but I am still kind of alarmed at how things are going, since too many changes can make the movie bloated and incoherent. Mulan deserves better than that.

[ranger_scout]

Ming-Na Wen had more to say about the film, but she still can't say if she's going to have any part in this movie. My guess is that she probably will. She also really enjoyed all of the live-action adaptations of animated films that have been released.

“Disney has done such an amazing job with the other live-action [remakes], and I love them all, like Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella, and Maleficent,” Wen says. “So I’m definitely excited that they chose Mulan of all the other great Disney movies to turn into live-action. I think they’ll do a great job with it, and it’s great to keep that legacy alive.”

Regarding a potential return to the cinematic property she holds dear, Wen remains playfully elusive.

“I can’t say!” she says with a laugh when asked if she’ll have a role in the remake. “What is it that [Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. co-creator] Jed Whedon always says? It’s so funny… ‘I can neither confirm nor deny.’ So, yeah!”

Either way, Wen is glad to see that “Asians are really hot right now in Hollywood - thank goodness - because of Crazy Rich Asians.” And in the case of Mulan, she says, “It’s great to keep an incredible character and story of Chinese folklore going in any form.”


https://ew.com/movies/2018/10/15/ming-na-wen-mulan-remake-interview/

[ranger_scout]

There's a rumor that Kevin Hart is being eyed to voice Mushu.

https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/02/27/disney-mulan-live-action-kevin-hart-mushu-rumor/

[ranger_scout]

Liu Yiefi has been in contact with Naomi Scott, who is playing Jasmine in the live-action Aladdin. Scott can't wait to see Yiefi's performance in this movie next year.

Goosebumps 😳 @NaomiScott @disneyaladdinLiu Yifei


https://twitter.com/yifei_cc/status/1131995846386409472

😭😭😭😭 Girl, I cannot wait for you to slay my life next year. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

https://twitter.com/NaomiScott/status/1132320002948849664

[ranger_scout]

Rumor has it that a Phoenix will be replacing Mushu as Mulan's sidekick. Also, the cast will apparently not be singing the classic songs during the film. There will only be instrumental versions of them. This could all change after test screenings and reshoots.

EXCLUSIVE: Phoenix Possibly Replacing Mushu In ‘Mulan’; Cast Will Not Sing Classic Songs (https://thedisinsider.com/2019/06/29/exclusive-phoenix-possibly-replacing-mushu-in-mulan-cast-will-not-sing-classic-songs/)

[ranger_scout]

Here is the first teaser. The film looks stunning and action-packed.

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[newfan]

Just quickly browsing the thread, is Mushu in this or not? Looked liked he was then might not be.
Anyway, preview looks ok.

[TigerClaw]

Just quickly browsing the thread, is Mushu in this or not? Looked liked he was then might not be.
Anyway, preview looks ok.
Word has it that Mushu got replaced by a Phoenix for this adaption.

[Shark_Blade]

I got chills watching the teaser trailer.

Also, it’s understandable why Mushu, Li Shang and other things won’t be in this remake.

https://twitter.com/imwonwoo1796/status/1145713031394914304?s=21
Why are people mad when Disney is actually doing a more curtural appropriate to Mulan? Yall probably don't know the Chinese criticized the cartoon so it flopped there because of how ridiculous it was and practically mocking their culture but yall still want a talking dragon? 🙄

It just shows how yall like to scream cultural appropriation when it fits but when Disney is actually doing the right thing yall mad cuz it didn't fit your western version of Mulan? people in China are actually upset for their Legend being american movie with chinese decoration.

in China they hate mushu, they hate how the emperor bow to mulan because it's just ridiculous and not respecting their culture. They didn't like the love interest because it was never in the orginal legend, they hate the songs (except reflection), the jokes, eveything.

If Disney still followed their cartoon verion of Mulan that's basically nail to the coffin considering rumors this movie has a budget of $300M. But I guess we don't care how China would feel as long as the western audience is satisfied right? 🙃

Good news! the Chinese citizens are actually looking forward to #Mulan when they saw the trailer. Most reception on Weibo (biggest sns platform in China) has positive reviews, there are still some problems but it's only a minor so I really hope Disney got it right this time.



https://twitter.com/iamcindychu/status/1147932481435234304?s=21Hua Mulan’s story dates to as early as 386 AD frm a folk song & later a transcription in the 6th century. Disney’s live action film is attempting to honor the OG version for Western & Eastern (China) audiences. There is no Mushu or Li Shang in the original so please, shut up!

[ZariusTwo]

https://twitter.com/iamcindychu/status/1147932481435234304?s=21

Stay classy.:roll:

These replies made my morning:

Disney SHOULD be trying to honor the original film that many people came up with. Mushu and Li Shang are in the movie that even made the story popular. So maybe ya shouldnt be telling people to shut up. Dunno, not very open minded.

There is no Mushi or Li Shang in the original because the original is boring

[DarkFell]

Disney had a knack for 'dressing up' the animated movies than what was described in the original versions of the very stories & legends that... had other variations told as well.

Some of the original stories were rather dark. Supposedly Ariel from The Little Mermaid committed suicide. Each of the stepsisters in Cinderella, had their foot bones broken and toes severed, just so they could wear the glass slipper.

If there are people that would prefer the original tales, that's great. But slamming a movie for a talking dragon, a love interest, and for the defeat of a Hun invasion, is rather silly.

[Sage Ninja]

Ooh! I really like this trailer. Interest tentatively renewed. Based on what is shown I think that this new Mulan movie is going for the more poem accurate depiction of Mulan being good at martial arts before she even goes to take her father's place in the army and is already proficient in that area. In the original poem Mulan was proficient in both traditional womanly arts as well as martial arts and liked them both. She didn't have disdain for either, and fought in the war because she saw it as her duty to her country and her family. So I am a little worried that she seems upset that she is going to get married. But I love how when the match maker is talking about the qualities that make a good wife: quite, composed, graceful, disciplined, are juxtaposed that those qualities are what makes a good warrior. That's how you show off theme in a trailer. I hope that there is some exquisite martial arts in this that rival Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon movie. Depending on how they handle this I might be able to overlook the exclusion of Shang (even though I still irked by it).

[IndigoErth]

Mushu I can live without, but no Shang? Aw, come on. :tconfuse:

I mean, they don't have to end up together :trazz:; maybe just make him a supporting character. (Though Mulan was always that awesome rare one where she wins the guy, instead of visa versa. That was always kinda nice.)

Out of all these live action remakes though that haven't really been catching my interest all that much (heck not even Lion King...), Mulan is probably the one I've been a bit curious about. Maybe its story is just more suited to impress in live action, and perhaps has the potential to be a more down to earth "Wonder Woman," to so speak; a movie with an ass kicking girl.

[ranger_scout]

One of the directors of the original film is excited about seeing this movie.

Having worked on the original, I am pleased to see this re-vision of Mulan is original yet respectfully reminicient. I’m a fan

Original Mulan Director Excited to See Disney's Remake (https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/07/08/mulan-original-director-excited-live-action-remake/)

Ming-Na Wen also shared her thoughts on the teaser.

EPIC!!! Excited to see this #Mulan. Love seeing my friends @rosalindchao & @tzima8 as her parents. #YifeiLiu looks amazing as the warrior! 👍👏😘

Original Mulan Star Ming-Na Wen Comments on Disney's Live-Action Trailer (https://comicbook.com/movies/2019/07/08/mulan-trailer-movie-live-action-spoilers-ming-na-wen-disney/)

[Mr Salk]

Call me when they do a live-action remake of Aladdin.


RINGRING

Hello? Is Jephael home?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

RINGRING

Hello? Is Jephael home?


Um, that post was from 2015. He's no longer even here.

[Voltron]

Oh, man. I'm going to miss Shang.

[ranger_scout]

The teaser was seen over 175 million times in its first 24 hours, including 52 million views from China.

https://deadline.com/2019/07/mulan-teaser-trailer-175-million-views-24-hours-china-worldwide-disney-1202643480/

[Andrew NDB]

I like this as a template for the live action Disney stuff. Scrap out the song and dance stuff, scrap out the goofier elements, and try and make it "realistic" while still more or less hitting the same story beats as the animated version. That kind of justifies the live action versions better to me.

[Shark_Blade]

I wonder if the naked bathing at the river scene is still in the movie. :tlol:

“I AM YAO, KING OF THE ROCK”

[Sage Ninja]

I like this as a template for the live action Disney stuff. Scrap out the song and dance stuff, scrap out the goofier elements, and try and make it "realistic" while still more or less hitting the same story beats as the animated version. That kind of justifies the live action versions better to me.

Me too. :D

[Papenbrook]

I'm glad that Disney is faithfully following the source material. They need to be as culturally accurate as possible, and they need to avoid offending/upsetting it's intended audience. ( In other words, it should pay tribute/respect to the culture/history of China. )

May this film be a lesson to future studios; I hope it is successful in its endeavors.

.... and, it looks like I may have spoken too soon .... (https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/mulan-trailer-criticized-china-historical-inaccuracies-1202157142/)

[Egon1982]

So this is less a remake of the Disney film and more based on the actual legend?

[ranger_scout]

Just in case on one had already seen it, here is the first poster.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-4qvoCU0AUsNqD.jpg

https://twitter.com/DisneysMulan/status/1147902024270241792

[Andrew NDB]

So this is less a remake of the Disney film and more based on the actual legend?

Yes, but I think less because they actually wanted to do that and more that because doing Mulan the way the animated movie did now might invite a whole lot of cultural backlash from SJWs. Still, I'm interested in what they come up with.

[Sumac]

I'm glad that Disney is faithfully following the source material. They need to be as culturally accurate as possible, and they need to avoid offending/upsetting it's intended audience. ( In other words, it should pay tribute/respect to the culture/history of China. )

May this film be a lesson to future studios; I hope it is successful in its endeavors.
Yeah, also, fat China-bux won't hurt anyone, right?
Especially when its coming to super-hyper-progressive Hollywood, because, they don't care about principles, when it comes to origin of money, right?
:lol:

Yes, but I think less because they actually wanted to do that and more that because doing Mulan the way the animated movie did now might invite a whole lot of cultural backlash from SJWs. Still, I'm interested in what they come up with.
Well, at least something good had happened because of SJW or "even idiots can be useful...once in a year".
:lol:

[ranger_scout]

An Australian actor named Chum Ehelepola will be playing a characted named Ramtish in the film.

Chum Ehelepola Signs With APA, Will Appear In Disney’s Live Action ‘Mulan’ (https://deadline.com/2019/07/chum-ehelepola-signs-apa-mulan-1202645752/)

[turtle1237]

I disagree with that. All the actors should be Asian.

[Mr Salk]

I disagree with that. All the actors should be Asian.

Does that include voice-actors in animated work?

[Utrommaniac]

He is Asian? He's Sri Lankan? (Even with being raised partly in Australia)

[ranger_scout]

Liu Yifei, the star of the film, is expressing her support for the Hong Kong Police. This is certainly not good for the PR folks at Disney, but let's not forget that they had controversial people like Sarah Silverman, Pauly Shore and Gilbert Gottfried voice characters in their animated films.

Mulan: Disney Star Liu Yifei Expresses Support for Hong Kong Police (https://www.cbr.com/mulan-disney-star-liu-yifei-support-hong-kong-police/)

[The Deadman]

Which leads to this

Hong Kong Protestors Call for Disney Boycott After 'Mulan' Star Voices Support for Police Crackdown
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hong-kong-protestors-call-disney-boycott-mulan-star-voices-support-police-crackdown-1232216

[Sumac]

LOL.
I wonder, will she take her statements back or not?

[Andrew NDB]

What a mess.

[Redeemer]

I disagree with that. All the actors should be Asian.

Unless Eddie Murphy reprises his role :lol: then I agree

[Coola Yagami]

Yes, but I think less because they actually wanted to do that and more that because doing Mulan the way the animated movie did now might invite a whole lot of cultural backlash from SJWs. Still, I'm interested in what they come up with.

It's been eons, what did the animated version that would upset the SJWs?

[Andrew NDB]

It's been eons, what did the animated version that would upset the SJWs?

Eddie Murphy not being Asian, etc., etc..

[Papenbrook]

Apparently, a #SupportMulan movement is currently developing/expanding in China. (https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-mulan-crystal-liu-yifei-hong-kong-twitter-facebook-china-1203309089/)

Disgusting.

I will cease any further support for the film.

[Autbot_Benz]

Apparently, a #SupportMulan movement is currently developing/expanding in China. (https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-mulan-crystal-liu-yifei-hong-kong-twitter-facebook-china-1203309089/)

Disgusting.

I will cease any further support for the film.

https://i.imgur.com/DCpGHlO.gif

[Sumac]

Apparently, a #SupportMulan movement is currently developing/expanding in China. (https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-mulan-crystal-liu-yifei-hong-kong-twitter-facebook-china-1203309089/)

Disgusting.

I will cease any further support for the film.
Truly a big loss. :tcry:

[Autbot_Benz]

Truly a big loss. :tcry:

ya I heard Disney's Stock tanked when Pappen Announced she wouldn't support this movie :lol:

[ranger_scout]

Smart move on Disney's part.

‘Mulan’ Star Crystal Yifei Liu Skips D23 Amid International Controversy (https://variety.com/2019/film/news/mulan-cast-d23-boycottmulan-1203311115/)

[ranger_scout]

Empire sat down with producer Jason Reed and he talked about the approach they decided to take when it came to making this movie.

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/mulan-disney-remake-david-lean-akira-kurosawa/

[ranger_scout]

Extensive reshoots are reportedly going to happen over the next four months.

https://thedisinsider.com/2019/10/18/exclusive-disneys-live-action-mulan-remake-to-undergo-extensive-reshoots/

[Utrommaniac]

Ah yes, the Perfect Disaster continues and it is a joy to watch.

[Shark_Blade]

So she likes seeing Hong Kong people being oppressed by their police? What a shining role model she turns out to be :trolleye:

[ranger_scout]

A new trailer will be released tomorrow morning. In the meantime, here is a new poster.

https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/79797785_2742215075817356_7896879904405323776_o.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=hMbKpranSYEAQlOqeC5Rbyk7FFCWC7_Ej8GEQlZquJ TxdZBqvYvChGt_Q&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=b43533afe3f6668db93aa01f6144d590&oe=5E70E44B

https://www.facebook.com/WaltDisneyMulan/photos/a.171537062885183/2742215069150690/?type=3&theater

[Sumac]

How many people from Disney dicksuckers will remember her opinion about Hong Kong?

[ranger_scout]

Here is the new trailer. There are still a ton references to the original film, but this movie still stands out with its new characters and elements.

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[ranger_scout]

Despite all the controversy that has happened in the last year, it is still the '4th Most Anticipated Movie of 2020' according to Fandango users and the 'Most Anticipated Family Movie of 2020'.

https://www.comingsoon.net/movies/news/1116469-fandangos-four-most-anticipated-movies-of-2020-revealed

[Sumac]

It is obvious that very few people care about "controversial" stuff, outside of Internet circle jerk.

[ranger_scout]

The film's director Nikki Caro had to say about the lack of singing in the film.

We don’t tend to break into song when we go to war. Not saying anything against the animation because the songs are brilliant and if I could squeeze them in there, I would have. But we do honor the music from the animation in a very significant way, that’s all I’ll say

She also says that actor Jason Scott Lee almost turned the role he ultimately played in the movie because of his physical shape, but he got a great trainer.

He was a little round, shall I say, and the villain in my head did not look like that. We had a very brilliant trainer with us the entire time and he shredded Jason in two months with just organic food and exercise.

https://insidethemagic.net/2020/01/mulan-2020-director-no-singing-tm1/

[Utrommaniac]

https://i.imgflip.com/3m92k3.jpg
Has this guy ever heard of non diegesis??? Most of the time they're probably not literally breaking into song.

[Leogeddon]

Well, this is going to be interesting. I wonder if it'll have any ounce of soul or be another soulless cash grab like Aladdin and Lion King remakes were.

[ranger_scout]

Nikki Caro, the film's director, explains why Mushu won't be in the film.

I think we can all appreciate that Mushu is irreplaceable.

You know, the animated classic stands on its own in that regard. In this movie, there is a creature representative – a spiritual representation of the ancestors, and most particularly of Mulan's relationship with her father.

But an update of Mushu? No.

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a30517030/mulan-disney-live-action-remake-mushu-update/

Also, new character posters have been released.


https://i.ibb.co/jb6g5cj/mulan-yifei-liu-1204418.jpg (https://ibb.co/vVwZB7M)

https://i.ibb.co/kHDgGYW/mulan-donnie-yen-1204419.jpg (https://ibb.co/HFPDKmk)

https://i.ibb.co/Mf7RdZ5/mulan-gong-li-1204420.jpg (https://ibb.co/m04HpbF)

https://i.ibb.co/25STjqL/mulan-jason-scott-lee-1204421.jpg (https://ibb.co/4J2HjWD)

https://i.ibb.co/DKSy1FG/mulan-jet-li-1204422.jpg (https://ibb.co/9YCLp0w)

https://i.ibb.co/TYr7wpx/mulan-yoson-an-1204423.jpg (https://ibb.co/Nt7JFQd)

https://comicbook.com/movies/2020/01/25/new-mulan-character-posters-disney/

[Shark_Blade]

All I’m thinking about is Corona virus outbreak in China at the moment.

[ranger_scout]

Tonight a new trailer for the movie will be shown during the Super Bowl. Here is a sneak peek of it.

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[ranger_scout]

The final trailer is here.

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[ranger_scout]

This will be the first Disney remake to be rated PG-13.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mulan-receives-first-pg-13-disneys-live-action-remakes-1279892

A producer also gave additional information about why Mushu and the songs won’t be in this film.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/mulan-remake-producer-explains-absence-of-mushu

[ranger_scout]

This article talks about how the stakes for this remake couldn’t be higher, especially with the Corona Virus spreading all over China.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/inside-disneys-bold-200m-gamble-mulan-stakes-couldnt-be-higher-1280999

[IMJ]

Have any of you guys ever seen or heard of the Jet Li movie "Hero"? This remake of Mulan reminded me of how beautifully filmed Hero was. It's an honest to God wire-fu masterpiece that came after Crouching Tiger and basically perfected the formula but was also filmed perfectly with captivating environments and amazing color.

Seriously, if Mulan interests you at all, or you like kung-fu flicks with sensibility check out Hero. It's a period piece so it hasn't really aged at all. It could've been filmed yesterday for the most part. Donnie Yen is in that one as well.

[newfan]

Have any of you guys ever seen or heard of the Jet Li movie "Hero"? This remake of Mulan reminded me of how beautifully filmed Hero was. It's an honest to God wire-fu masterpiece that came after Crouching Tiger and basically perfected the formula but was also filmed perfectly with captivating environments and amazing color.

Seriously, if Mulan interests you at all, or you like kung-fu flicks with sensibility check out Hero. It's a period piece so it hasn't really aged at all. It could've been filmed yesterday for the most part. Donnie Yen is in that one as well.

I'd not heard of that but I think I might go and look for it.

[IMJ]

I'd not heard of that but I think I might go and look for it.

Please do, it's a masterpiece. I haven't had cause to discuss it in years. If you check it out then start a thread! It will give me a reason to re-watch it too. I've bought every iteration of it's release - still waiting on 4k with HDR. The color pallet in that flick - wow.

[newfan]

Please do, it's a masterpiece. I haven't had cause to discuss it in years. If you check it out then start a thread! It will give me a reason to re-watch it too. I've bought every iteration of it's release - still waiting on 4k with HDR. The color pallet in that flick - wow.

It was easy to find, both Prime and another TV service I use, not sure if to rent or buy as it's not expensive, I'll def watch it either later on or tomorrow anyway.

[IMJ]

It was easy to find, both Prime and another TV service I use, not sure if to rent or buy as it's not expensive, I'll def watch it either later on or tomorrow anyway.

Awesome! Finally a digital on-demand service comes through with an impulse search! :)

[ranger_scout]

Disney has once again hired Christina Aguilera to sing a new version of "Reflection" for the film along with some other new material. It reminds of when Celine Dion returned to sing "How Does a Moment Last Forever" for the live-action Beauty and the Beast.

https://ew.com/movies/christina-aguilera-new-mulan-music/

Also, the reason why Shang won't be in this movie is apparently because of the #MeToo Movement according to a producer.

We split Li Shang into two characters. One became Commander Tung (Donnie Yen) who serves as her surrogate father and mentor in the course of the movie. The other is Honghui (Yoson An) who is [Mulan’s] equal in the squad.”

I think particularly in the time of the #MeToo movement, having a commanding officer that is also the sexual love interest was very uncomfortable and we didn’t think it was appropriate.”


https://collider.com/mulan-li-shang-not-in-live-action-remake-reason-why/

[Sumac]

Nice going - changing story for the sake of Twitter ****.

Can authors working for the big corporations maintain at least some sort of professional dignity and integrity?

How long before we get to the point where questionable content will be outright removed from everything, because, it doesn't fit world view of some blue checkmarks on Twitter and fragile losers with "brave and stunning" personalities? What will left of those stories in this case?

[Autbot_Benz]

removing Li Shang cause of the me too movement is ****ing stupid. Li Shang never used his commanding officer status to force himself on Mulan. He waited until the end of the movie when she asked if he wanted to stay for dinner to start a relationship.

[IMJ]

removing Li Shang cause of the me too movement is ****ing stupid. Li Shang never used his commanding officer status to force himself on Mulan. He wated until the end of the movie when she asked if he wanted to stay for dinner to start a relationship.

But even if he did, it would have been a story-driven component. So basically even if Li Shang did do this in-story how does removing the character do anything to benefit society or the film or so on? I just can't help but feel that what we are seeing going on is all phony and misguided. These "deletions" and "canceling" are all false action. False statements. It's basically all a virtue signaling lie born of social justice gone mad.

Either way, now that we can see that they've mired this movie in overzealous statements and positioning, I'm out. Not gonna add my dollars. I'll watch "Hero" at home.

[Sumac]

But even if he did, it would have been a story-driven component. So basically even if Li Shang did do this in-story how does removing the character do anything to benefit society or the film or so on? I just can't help but feel that what we are seeing going on is all phony and misguided. These "deletions" and "canceling" are all false action. False statements. It's basically all a virtue signaling lie born of social justice gone mad.
It is obvious that big wigs at studios don't give a **** about SJWs and their "ideology" (if compilation of teenage maximalism with marxism and idiocy can be called that).

I want to understand why they cater to the blue checkmarks on the Twitter? They don't bring money. They might spread a good or a bad word, but as Joker proved that even when the real media is trying to discourage people from seeing a movie it doesn't work if a movie is good. Considering that most regular people don't give a **** about what SJW kids are thinking, they should be even less relevant.

[IMJ]

It is obvious that big wigs at studios don't give a **** about SJWs and their "ideology" (if compilation of teenage maximalism with marxism and idiocy can be called that).

I want to understand why they cater to the blue checkmarks on the Twitter? They don't bring money. They might spread a good or a bad word, but as Joker proved that even when the real media is trying to discourage people from seeing a movie it doesn't work if a movie is good. Considering that most regular people don't give a **** about what SJW kids are thinking, they should be even less relevant.

I'm just sick of the phony narratives man. The nonsense is so many ways deep that "normally operating society" basically needs to quit trying to figure it out, or quit assigning defining language to defeat it. Instead just continue to reject it without further explanation at every turn.

Birds of Prey - Ewan McGregor opens his mouth about "everyday misogyny"? Rejected purchase.

Terminator Dark Fate - Director making blanket statements implying that if you don't like his movie you'll be revealed as a terrified misognyst?
Rejected purchase.

Comic Book Industry - Forced diversity via hostile takeover and publishing patterns that imply a traditional readership is problematic & hateful?
Rejected purchase.

Gillette - launches virtue signaling ad campaign about "toxic masculinity"?
Rejected purchase.

These rejections need to keep happening, but needs to include any organization that doesn't start rejecting these overt movements themselves. And so, ironically to diminish outrage/cancel culture for normal society and fix the problem, cancel culture & virtue signalers need to be diminished by their own tactics.

[Sumac]

So far SJWs are not canceled themselves all the way, because, a lot of people support general message about "social justice" and "equality". They don't delve deeper that that and don't see or understand how toxic and hateful SJW "culture" is, sadly.

[IMJ]

So far SJWs are not canceled themselves all the way, because, a lot of people support general message about "social justice" and "equality". They don't delve deeper that that and don't see or understand how toxic and hateful SJW "culture" is, sadly.

Exactly. Rejecting these products and this culture is rejecting the insanity but not rejecting a belief in equality.

[ZariusTwo]

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[Candy Kappa]

claiming that Li was removed due to #metoo smells like bs, it's probably more likely to avoid China's censorship so they can get that sweet Chinese BO.

[ranger_scout]

Here are the first reactions to the movie following its world premiere.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/mulan-first-reactions-premiere-1283199

ETA: I wasn’t expecting people to say that this would be the best live-action remake with off the changes they made.

[Autbot_Benz]

Mulan cancelled because of Coronavirus

Disney has canceled its release plans for Mulan (March 27), The New Mutants (April 3) and Scott Cooper‘s horror movie Antlers (April 17), the studio announced Thursday. Unlike No Time to Die and F9, it’s unclear when any of them will hit theaters,

https://collider.com/mulan-new-mutants-release-canceled-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

[ranger_scout]

Just in case no one already knew, the movie is scheduled for release on July 24, 2020. However, there is no guarantee if it will open by then.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-widow-mulan-nab-new-release-dates-jungle-cruise-delayed-a-year-1286854

[ranger_scout]

A theatrical release for the movie might not happen now that San Francisco is targeting to re-open theaters in mid-August. Other major cities like Chicago, New York and Los Angeles might follow the city's guidelines and they are key into making money for Disney at the domestic box-office.

https://deadline.com/2020/05/disney-no-way-to-jam-people-on-theme-park-prices-mulan-theatrical-streaming-1202946549/


https://deadline.com/2020/05/as-san-francisco-targets-mid-august-reopening-for-theaters-wall-streeter-sees-second-half-release-schedule-in-flux-1202946418/

[ranger_scout]

Oh brother. Here we go again.

https://insidethemagic.net/2020/06/disney-considers-delaying-mulan-tm1/

[Sumac]

At this point I have a feeling this movie SUX.

[ranger_scout]

Oh what a surprise.

'Mulan' Moves Release Date To August 21 With NY, LA & China Theaters Still Not Open (https://deadline.com/2020/06/mulan-release-date-change-august-21-1202971501/)

[ranger_scout]

Disney has now postponed the film’s release date indefinitely.

https://variety.com/2020/film/box-office/mulan-release-date-delayed-disney-1234699183/

[Autbot_Benz]

In another major blow to movie theaters, Disney announced ?Mulan? will forgo its planned theatrical release. Instead, the movie will premiere on Disney Plus on Sept. 4 for a premium rental price of $29.99.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/mulan-disney-plus-premiere-1234711185/

[CyberCubed]

Good. Hopefully they do the same for Black Widow, it's ridiculous if the movie is delayed by a year.

[neatoman]

The idea of there being no meaningful distinction between theatrical, TV special and direct to home video anymore seems odd. I wonder how they'll justify massive budgets without movie theatres? Maybe they won't and just slice the production values going forward?

[Andrew NDB]

Well... I guess this means it's day and date simultaneous release with Piratebay and the like. *shrug* Not for me, but many. The wife really wants to see this in theaters whenever that's possible.

Good. Hopefully they do the same for Black Widow, it's ridiculous if the movie is delayed by a year.

In that particular case they probably should, even if they lose money by doing so. The MCU doesn't really have any momentum or enduring goodwill at the moment... this could help. You know, assuming its actually a good movie.

[CyberCubed]

Let's put it this way:

1. I watched all of The Mandolorian and Star Wars Clone Wars Season 7 and I don't have Disney+

2. I watched Castlevania Season 3 and I don't have a netflix subscription.

3. I watched Young Justice Season 3 and I don't have DC Universe.


I don't "pay money" to watch things, so the more stuff that goes directly to online streaming over theaters, the better. I only used to see about 3-4 movies in theaters a year, and only the biggest movies, so I would wait for everything to come online.

If something comes to streaming more people can watch. It's called, "through the power of google search bar."

[ranger_scout]

Honestly, Disney should've done what Warner Bros is doing with Tenet. They should've released it internationally first and then in select U.S. theaters.

[neatoman]

Let's put it this way:

1. I watched all of The Mandolorian and Star Wars Clone Wars Season 7 and I don't have Disney+

2. I watched Castlevania Season 3 and I don't have a netflix subscription.

3. I watched Young Justice Season 3 and I don't have DC Universe.


I don't "pay money" to watch things, so the more stuff that goes directly to online streaming over theaters, the better. I only used to see about 3-4 movies in theaters a year, and only the biggest movies, so I would wait for everything to come online.

If something comes to streaming more people can watch. It's called, "through the power of google search bar."

I strongly suspect that you are the norm and not the exception in this matter. Online buzz about many shows and movies seems to be more common than it should be if everyone was an honest subscriber/customer. I seriously doubt that many people subscribe to Netflix, Disney+, Hulu, HBO, CBS All Access, DC Universe and whatever else all at the same time. It's not a collective price that many people can/want to pay.

[Sumac]

The idea of there being no meaningful distinction between theatrical, TV special and direct to home video anymore seems odd. I wonder how they'll justify massive budgets without movie theatres? Maybe they won't and just slice the production values going forward?
Hopefully this is will be an outcome.

On the other hand, with the recent trend of TV series having almost movie-like quality (Game of Thrones), it might not have a significant effect. Or we might get even more TV series with blockbuster quality.

[ranger_scout]

The people who pay for the movie will have access to it as long as they continue to be subscribers to Disney+

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/mulan-rental-confirmed-to-last-length-of-disney-plus-subscriptio/

There are some analysts who are saying that this could be a sign of Disney ending their relationship with movie theaters. Others are saying that they trust what CEO Bob Chapek was saying about this decision being a "one-off" as opposed to a "new business windowing model". They have lost a lot of money this year on their theme parks and they really can't go into TV production right now.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/mulan-disney-premiere-exhibition-corornavirus-1203004223/


Here is his statement from earlier. The movie is also still going to play at theaters in countries that don't have much access to Disney+

We?re pleased to bring Mulan to a consumer base that?s been waiting for it as we?ve had to move our (release) dates several times?We?re looking at Mulan as a one-off as opposed trying to say that there?s a new business windowing model. as you know it?s fairly expensive to produce for consumers the quality we?re known for. Rather than simply rolling (the movie) into a free offering, we thought we can test anything when you have your own platform. We?re trying to establish a new premiere access window to capture that investment we got (in the film). We?ll have a chance to learn from this. From our research under a premiere access offering, not only does it get us revenue from our original transaction of PVOD, but it?s a fairly large stimulus to sign up for Disney+.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/mulan-new-release-date-disney-earnings-call-1203003942/

[Shark_Blade]

I wonder if someone stop subscription for a while and continue again, would the film still be accessible?

And it’s pretty redundant to pay for one movie now only for it to be included later like the rest of the Disney films..

[ssjup81]

I have a Hulu/Disney + bundle plan. I got it when we downgraded from Hulu Live to regular Hulu. My folks were missing live too much, so we put it back to Hulu + live back in April and still have Disney+, no price change for that. Anyway, it was the only way I could watch the Mandalorian and man did I enjoy it and looking forward to season 2...sad how I like the Mandalorian more than the recent Star Wars trilogy films. I also wanted it to catch myself up on Marvel films...which I still never got around to doing.

Anyway, Mulan was one of the movies I was really looking forward to seeing this year in the theater. Out of all these Disney movies getting live-action remakes, Mulan was one of the ones that actually made sense to me to do since the story itself is grounded in actual reality. There's nothing really magical or supernatural about the story.

Given that rental price for this film, I'm going to, unfortunately, pass on that. In my opinion, for a rental, $30 is too much. It'd be cheaper to go to the theater and I'm just going to wait until that happens.

As for the MCU....in all honesty, I personally have never been fully into it. I haven't seen all of the films. I saw the first Avengers, saw the Iron Man films (1 and 3 in theaters...invited both times), the first Captain America, all three Thor films and...that's about it. Out of them, I'd only been particularly interested in Thor. Liked the first, indifferent on the second, loved the third (no Natalie Portman was a plus). After Endgame, I'm kind of surprised that they're still doing much of anything. Is the Black Widow movie taking place before the Avenger films?

[ZariusTwo]

Is the Black Widow movie taking place before the Avenger films?

I think it's set after the first two Avengers but before Infinity War and Endgame, but it will likely still contain things that move the story of the MCU forward

[ranger_scout]

Variety polled over 93,000 people and 85% of them said that they will not rent the movie for $29.99.

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1290763398045564929

Yesterday, Adam Aron, the boss of AMC Theaters, said that he was not upset at Disney for not releasing Mulan in their theaters. He understands that they are losing a ton of money like his company is and that Disney has always been supportive of releasing their movies at AMC.

You might think I?m disappointed that Mulan is moving, but AMC has no bigger friend than Disney. They provided us with more content last year than other studio in the world. As both companies do businesses, we will thrive. Disney just announced earnings. Just like AMC, they?re under duress. They are under pressure too and at some point need to monetize their slate. We?ll benefit from Disney titles with or without Mulan. We understand what they did.

Our biggest reaction to the Mulan announcement is how much it reaffirms our wise decisions last week (with the Universal PVOD deal) to take the risk and sign on to PVOD because right now Disney?s choice under the current world order are two choices: Take it to the home or they take it to theaters. They can?t do both. Under PVOD, they could take it to PVOD and theaters at least with that 17-day lag.

I?d like to give them an opportunity to do an ?and? and not an ?or. We?d make far more money on Mulan if it was released to our theaters then to PVOD, especially if we got a cut than if Mulan went to straight to the home and us not benefiting from it. Some of our competitors are anxious about this change. Change is difficult for some to cope with.



https://deadline.com/2020/08/amc-boss-adam-aron-talks-mulan-madness-doesnt-see-cannibalization-from-universal-pvod-deal-1203006395/

Variety in the meantime is estimating how much the film might make for rentals and how much of a gamble it was to skip theaters.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/mulan-box-office-pvod-profits-potential-1234727271/

[neatoman]

I can't say I'm surprised most people would not pay 30 bucks to rent a digital release. Who would?

[AquaParade]

I'd pay $30 for a movie I'm looking forward to. That being a few comicbook adaptions and a few indies a year.

It's a great value if you have one or two people to watch with. I have a pretty good setup and watching Black Widow as a new release from my couch sounds glorious.

[Leo656]

I really, really can't abide people who steal. Doubly so people who brag about it like it's something virtuous. In the back of my mind I often wish someone would break into their house while they're not home, steal all their sh*t and leave a note saying, "Well, I wanted this stuff, but I didn't feel like paying for it, hope you don't mind." The level of entitlement is vulgar as f*ck.

That said, it's downright hilarious that Disney thinks someone would pay $30 to watch this or any movie on a streaming service. Same reason they think their DVDs need to cost $30 when everything else is $10-15, I supposed. I won't cry for them, I hate them as a company. I just also can't abide thieves.

I have my own theories about what's to come insofar as movies going forward. They'll absolutely have to stop spending over $100 million to make them because - as this thread proves - anyone who wants to watch a movie online also feels they're "special" and shouldn't have to pay for it. So when studios collectively said "We're not going online-only because we can't make any money that way," they weren't lying. There's no way to make a cent through online releases when everyone is so open about wanting to steal. So the only thing studios can do is cut their losses and make things for a lot less money. They still won't make any profits, but they won't bleed out as quickly.

[neatoman]

I'd pay $30 for a movie I'm looking forward to. That being a few comicbook adaptions and a few indies a year.

It's a great value if you have one or two people to watch with. I have a pretty good setup and watching Black Widow as a new release from my couch sounds glorious.

Are you serious? Twice the price of a movie ticket for the experience of watching it on a home screen, and you don't even get to keep for yourself like you could with a blu-ray, which still costs less.

Short answer is that I wouldn't, especially when you'll eventually be able to have an identical experience for a cheaper price than what you normally pay to wipe your ass.

[ssjup81]

I'd pay $30 for a movie I'm looking forward to. That being a few comicbook adaptions and a few indies a year.I would maybe, and I do mean maybe, consider paying that amount, if it was mine to keep. To get something at that price that you can't even keep if you do away with the streaming service is just unfathomable to me. That's the price of two movies, practically. I also don't buy movies, unless I liked them enough to want to rewatch them. To me, theatrical releases are like a preview for me. If I really really liked the film, I'll either go see it again or later on get a home version...like I did with Joker recently to show my mother as I'd wanted to watch it again since seeing it in theaters last year. I bought the digital release, which means I can permanently keep it.

Maybe if they offered it in a way that we could keep it after purchase, then maybe more people would be willing to spend $30 for it.

[ranger_scout]

Here are a new poster and trailer.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfOpxQXXgAQkFp_?format=jpg&name=900x900

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[ranger_scout]

Christina Aguilera and Disney debuted a music video for the song "Loyal, Brave, and True", which was written for the movie.

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[ranger_scout]

And here she is once again singing "Reflection".

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[ssjup81]

So, it seems that for those who aren't going to pay the $30 rental fee, will be able to see the film for free with their subscriptions in December. If this is indeed true, then I have no problem waiting to watch this.

[CyberCubed]

I will see the movie for *free either way. Because that's how I roll.

[Leo656]

If I were a lesser man, I would pay someone to ransack and burgle your house while you're asleep, just for the sake of Karmic Balance.

But I'm not a lesser man. AND I have no money for that. But oh boy... IF.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Let me know when we finally get to watch Black Widow. I'll sign up for Disney+ for that.

$30 is about the cost of 2 tickets plus hiring a drunk homeless guy to babysit my kids. And watching from home has less chance of tetanus or scurvy!

[oldmanwinters]

Let me know when we finally get to watch Black Widow. I'll sign up for Disney+ for that.

$30 is about the cost of 2 tickets plus hiring a drunk homeless guy to babysit my kids. And watching from home has less chance of tetanus or scurvy!

You really underpay that drunk homeless guy!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

You really underpay that drunk homeless guy!

Honestly, I'm taking advantage of him. But he pilfers from the medicine cabinet each time to get back at us. Ol' Mac sure likes his ibuprofen...

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, sure, that's really the strongest thing in your medicine cabinet. :twink: And why are you getting a homeless drunk, when a teen girl will do it cheaper? Especially one with braces and no social life. You're looking in the wrong places for babysitters....

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, sure, that's really the strongest thing in your medicine cabinet. :twink: And why are you getting a homeless drunk, when a teen girl will do it cheaper? Especially one with braces and no social life. You're looking in the wrong places for babysitters....

Hiring homeless drunks doesn't violate court orders. :tshifty:

[Leo656]

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[ZariusTwo]

Well, it doesn't suck

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mulan_2020

[ranger_scout]

Wow, a 78% rating on Rotten Tomatoes and the consensus is:

It could have told its classic story with greater depth, but the live-action Mulan is a visual marvel that serves as a stirring update to its animated predecessor.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mulan_2020


So, it seems that for those who aren't going to pay the $30 rental fee, will be able to see the film for free with their subscriptions in December. If this is indeed true, then I have no problem waiting to watch this.

It is true.

https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/mulan-disney-plus-all-subscribers-no-extra-charge-1234757666/

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Hiring homeless drunks doesn't violate court orders. :tshifty:


I knew there was something you weren't telling the class.... And how far away from schools do you have to stay? Details, man!!

[CyberCubed]

At the very least it should have some good kung fu fighting like a martial arts film. To see a bunch of Asians do back flips and karate chops is good enough for me. It's more or less based on a true story as far as I know anyway, so it should be interesting.

They hired mostly Chinese actors right? I mean I know they're going to speak in english, but it would be weird if they used Japanese or other Asian actors. I can't tell the difference between a Chinese and Japanese accent anyway, it's all "Ching chong" to me either way.

[IndigoErth]

You think this film will still go ahead with some theater showings later? Once this whole virus mess is gone.

Really hate that streaming services have taken over the way they have. Would like to see it, but yeah, no, having to buy another service for one movie is stupid and out of the question. :ohwell: (And god forbid Netflix hardly even make itself worth it much anymore as far as newer-ish movies go unless it's their own content. :roll:)


it's all "Ching chong" to me either way.
If any Asian members would like to thwack him upside the head I'll volunteer to hold him still...

[Leo656]

Yeah, everybody knows it's "Ching-Chong Bing-Bong." You can't just lop off half of it, it ruins the entire flow. :tgrin: What a rube!

[Shark_Blade]

Welp that was bad.

Like:
- the actress
- Cinematography is beautiful
- Christina Aguilera songs

Dislike
- the witch which is totally overly powerful at the start but became useless as story goes. She’s not needed at all tbh
- the Phoenix is pointless, just glorified cgi with no purpose
- Mulan discarding her armor in the middle of war to be “her true self” and became super saiyan on everyone else wtf
- the emperor fighting using curtains to defeat soldiers wtf
- finale fight not at royal palace but some ugly bamboo construction site

6/10

[oldmanwinters]

- Mulan discarding her armor in the middle of war to be “her true self” and became super saiyan on everyone else.

lol the really have her taking on a whole army or just the main Big Bad?

[CyberCubed]

Finished watching this, I really hope nobody paid $30 for this because this was really bad. I actually really enjoyed the live action Beauty and the Beast, and Alladdin/Lion King were ok....but this was genuinely bad.

I mean it was honestly so boring. It was joyless and played straight, scenes didn't flow properly from one to the next. And if I hadn't watched the original film I'd be more or less lost on the story, all you knew is Mulan joined the army and disguised herself as a man so her sick father didn't have to fight in the war...but then the whole movie goes nowhere after that but a montage of training scenes and then the fight scenes.

Also all the characters in the movie were boring, including Mulan herself. None of her soldier friends were interesting nor were the villains. Only good thing I can say about the film is a few of the action scenes were alright and it looked visually good. I'd give it a 4/10.

This is why I don't pay to watch movies before I've seen them once, you never know if they're going to be worth it.

[Vicky82]

It was OK.

If I'd saw it in cinema it probably would of looked amazing.

The score and Cinematography were great, it had some good fight scenes.

It was a bit boring in some parts, The final fight was a bit bland and short. I didn't think much of the witch.

I liked that it was bit more mature than the other live action Disney films, It had quiet a lot of deaths in this movie but didn't show any blood.

[ssjup81]

For those of you who watched it, do you feel this was worth watching in theaters, or better off on the smaller screen?

[ranger_scout]

Okay, I watched it yesterday with my two friends and I honestly don't know why critics liked this movie so much. It was a joyless film and had very little-to-no charm. Nearly every character is so serious and unmemorable. Some of the soldiers in the army try to give you some laughs, but most of their jokes fall completely flat. In the animated movie, I was rooting for Mulan from start to finish. I just couldn't this time around because I didn't think she had much personality. The fights and choreography look cool and the scenery can be majestic at times but there is just no heart in it. The one thing that was really nice was Ming-Na Wen making a cameo as an imperial lady who introduces Mulan to the Emperor during the celebration, but that's basically it.

This ranks at the bottom of the remakes for me next to Alice Through the Looking Glass. All of the other recent ones like Beauty and the Beast, The Lion King, and Aladdin made me feel like a kid again. They all also still had the heroes I know and love and antagonists I love-to-hate. The Jungle Book was a visual treat and paid the right amount of homage to its predecessor. Cinderella was beautiful to look at and it had wonderful leads and a great villain along with solid supporting characters. Pete's Dragon and Christopher Robin had heart and wonderful family messages. Dumbo was gloomy, but at least they tried to do a unique take on it with neat visuals like Alice in Wonderland did. Maleficent told a story we all know from a different perspective and it occasionally had some humor and its leading lady had solid chemistry with Elle Fanning, who gave depth to a princess that a lot of people found boring. I don't care for its sequel, but it was a mess in a kind of a good way. This Mulan lacked enjoyment in so many ways imaginable.

[Andrew NDB]

Okay, I watched it yesterday with my two friends and I honestly don't know why critics liked this movie so much.

Diversity.

[Shark_Blade]

lol the really have her taking on a whole army or just the main Big Bad?Yes she pretty much wiped like half the entire army I think what with the jumping backflips and kicking spears everywhere like the OP she is.

It still boggles my mind that anyone would discard their armour protection in a middle of a war, disregarding precaution and safety, her long hair now let loose freely billowing in the air all over her face.. unless they’re absurdly overly confident of their own ability. That’s just awful imo, isn’t she supposed to be the smart one in her village?

For those of you who watched it, do you feel this was worth watching in theaters, or better off on the smaller screen?Depends on what you’re looking forward to. You want to enjoy big graphic and live audience interaction with the movie? Cinema it is.
You just want to see check out the story and it is sufficient for you to watch on tv? Home it is.

For me, I went to the movie. Some of the audience’s funny reaction (like gasping when they found out one of Mulan’s friends “died” but then he’s actually alive got them laughing aloud) made me smile.

The river bathing scene got a lot of laughs too.

So that’s enhanced experience for me.

[Andrew NDB]

So is it way different than the animated movie, dragon aside?

[Shark_Blade]

So is it way different than the animated movie, dragon aside?

The main story plot is similar but with lots changes along the path like no songs, General Shang no longer her muse but a fellow soldier is, the falcon is a witch, etc.

If you don’t mind spoiler check this Chinese woman’s funny tweet thread to get a taste of how it is: https://twitter.com/xiranjayzhao/status/1302352476465590272?s=21

[Vicky82]

For those of you who watched it, do you feel this was worth watching in theaters, or better off on the smaller screen?

I thinks it's worth seeing this movie on the big screen for the Cinematography and fight scenes but not for the story itself.

[Andrew NDB]

Hm. So they go straight up war movie? Probably can't do that in PG-13. Yeesh. I think I can already envision the movie, without having watching it. A lot of kicks and slow-mo and no blood and sword swings that are mostly blocked, etc.. Sound about right?

Rubbish. Just bring in the cartoon dragon, then. You have to decide what you're making or don't go that route.

[Leo656]

A "safe" war movie. You know, for kids! :tgrin:

[AquaParade]

Yeah, even Black Panther's finale is hard to take seriously. I find myself watching all the extras, hoping for just one to be impaled in a plight for realism.

[Leo656]

It's funny how in Disney cartoons, you can kill anyone you want so long as it's not too graphic. You can even be really suggestive about it. Scar's death in "The Lion King" and Sykes's death in "Oliver and Company" were both especially harsh. Yet in live action pretty much nobody dies, ever. Like, once every hundred years, maybe, but even then there's loopholes and sometimes they even get "un-killed" in a later project just so nobody ever feels too bad for too long.

Disney has some weird f*cking rules about this kinda sh*t.

[Andrew NDB]

A "safe" war movie. You know, for kids! :tgrin:

It's been happening since they decided the "Mortal Kombat" movie needed to be OK for 13 year-olds. Beyond ridiculous. Before that, it'd be weird if such things weren't R. It wasn't even a question .

[Leo656]

Back in MY day, you could have some blood (as long as it wasn't excessively graphic) and one or two F-bombs in a PG-13 flick. Even tits were Perfectly Fine by PG-13 standards on occasion, as long as they were displayed "tastefully" or "artistically" and weren't too big.

Hell, "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen" was a simple PG flick "for kids" and you totally see Uma Thurman's tits in that. Mmmm MMM!

.....Some people swear that people as a whole haven't turned into pussies in recent times. I say, evidence strongly speaks to the contrary.

Also the Munchausen flick is actually really good. Very "quirky" but quite humorous. Uma's funbags are just a fun bonus.

[AquaParade]

Disney has done some weird things in regard to censorship but it seems to be more a symptom than anything else.

I know this is beating a dead horse, but our societies hang-up with sexuality just seem weirder to me the older I get. At least speaking for the United States, but I think it goes beyond that. Just lots of taboo and shame involved in a way that seems harmful.

[Leo656]

Oh, absolutely.

Nipples are awesome, and we all got 'em. Excluding my late brother-in-law who lost his in a skateboarding accident, true f*cking story. But anyway he's dead so I'm reasonably sure everybody else has nipples, so I have never understood why we're not supposed to look at 'em or why they're so taboo.

Lookit Episode One of Thundercats. Cheetara's bare-ass naked! And thank God, but anyways, how absurd is that? That a perfectly nude and rather shapely female form can be displayed uncensored and without complaint... simply because you don't see a hint of nipple, beav, or gash. "Just" the entire nude form is perfectly acceptable, perky tits and all. But throw a couple tiny circles and a dash mark on there and you got yourself some pornography, fella. For real, "The Line" between Art and Pornography in some cases is literally that, JUST a line (or circle).

It's all so incredibly, incredibly stupid.

If I had my way, outside of extreme weather conditions chicks would be naked by law. At least the hot ones.

I don't know if I'm a very good role model but I have lots of fun ideas for how things ought to be.

[AquaParade]

Hmm. Too much good in that post to respond to. I'll just say I'm happy to have it confirmed that nippies don't grow back.

[Leo656]

I think the "not actually nipple" part did somewhat grow back but not the actual "nipple" nipple. I confess I never hung out with him much when he didn't have a shirt on. :lol:

I discovered this fact in the strangest way, too. We were drinking, right, and I was like 13 or 14 which was when I did most of my heavy drinking because this dude and my sister were just terrible role models and I spent most weekends with them, but anyways. We were pretty drunk and sharing random stories when out of nowhere he was like, "Y'know I ain't got any f*cking nipples?" and he proceeded to give me the full story. Apparently it is not good to chest-plant off of a skateboard at high speed on cement. I would have guessed that even without the visual aid, but apparently it's even worse than one would think!

I'm not sure what was more strange, the fact that this indeed happened to him, or that he broached the subject exactly as casually as he would tell me the dog was outside or whatever mundane thing. *I* would've told the story completely differently. I would've woven a tale of intrigue and suspense, gradually building in intensity and drama until finally reaching the climactic nipple-shearing moment, delivering the reveal in just such a way as to make the listener react with the perfect amount of shock, horror, and incredulous revulsion.

Instead he just blurted it out like he would've said the cat took a sh*t. "Y'know I ain't got any f*ckin' nipples?" :lol: That, to me, is the most absurd part of the entire tale, the fact that he relayed this information so casually as if it were something that happens to everyone at one time or other.

But no, they apparently don't ever fully grow back. Good thing he landed on his chest and not his crotch I guess.

[Sumac]

Okay, I watched it yesterday with my two friends and I honestly don't know why critics liked this movie so much.
Chinese money.

It's been happening since they decided the "Mortal Kombat" movie needed to be OK for 13 year-olds. Beyond ridiculous. Before that, it'd be weird if such things weren't R. It wasn't even a question .
Mortal Kombat had some gory stuff, just without blood: Scorpion was set on fire and exploded (he is a ghost, but whatever), Sub-Zero was impaled by icicle and frozen, Shang was impaled.

[Leo656]

The rating/censorship of the Mortal Kombat film was bullsh*t, but they did the best they could within the limits they were given. It's still a good movie.

It was weird. Like a concession of what most of us already knew but nobody on their end was "allowed" to say out loud. "Mortal Kombat is absolutely NOT for kids, you guys... but no, seriously, we're well aware that it's totally for kids, we know that's who loves this sh*t the most."

Very strange. But given the fact that there were literally court hearings about Mortal Kombat back in the day... I actually don't think anyone Then or Now should have been surprised that they handcuffed the movie.

Parents pitched a fit over how "violent" TMNT 1990 was. They didn't get any "better" about that sh*t five years later, if anything they turned into even bigger pussies. The parents who bitched about TMNT would have been picketing the movie theaters if the MK flick was Rated R as it arguably should have been. Because it was NO secret that despite what the video game's box said, it WAS totally aimed at children. Kids always love most the things they're "not supposed to" have, like porn and beer and horror movies and violent video games. Teens and adults played MK as well obviously but it was a HUGE hit with the under-12 crowd, especially the home versions. And they ALL just "had" to see the movie.

It's very easy to look back and say "Yeah man, the MK flick definitely should've been Rated R, that's bullsh*t." And technically, that's true. But given how vividly I remember that time and the cultural climate... that was simply impossible. Post-2000, it's plausible, as that generation has "grown up" with the games and they could very sincerely market the movie NOW as being aimed at the 30-somethings who were only 10 when the games came out. Back then, it was a "kids' thing" despite the tongue-in-cheek pretense that it wasn't, because only like ten adults actually played video games in 1994. They couldn't have said, "This MK movie is strictly for adults" because adults didn't actually care about or play Mortal Kombat. There was absolutely no room for plausible deniability on their end. Adults play it NOW, but that was not generally true Then. Only kids and teens generally played it. They would have gotten WAY too much heat if they'd made the film R-Rated. People were still convinced that these games were going to turn their kids into serial killers and mass shooters, and it took them more than 5 more years to get over that silly sh*t (and some people never have). A movie where they went out and ripped people's heads off and pulled their hearts out and all'a that sh*t would've caused riots.

I wish it had been different, too. A "proper" MK adaptation should always be Hard R. But in that time, in that place... no, that was completely, utterly impossible. It was SUCH a different time.

If anything, it's another case of "We should be grateful they even went as far as they did with it." Wouldn't wanna get ol' Tipper Gore's panties in a twist. :roll:

For what it's worth, MY Dad thought everything about the MK franchise was cool as f*ck, despite not playing video games himself. But he was kind of a weirdo. He let me watch horror movies and drink beer and didn't even care if I saw hardcore porn. HE thought a guy ripping out another guy's spine in a video game was all in good fun, and was blown away by how far the graphics had come from back in the early-80s. But MOST parents were pretty much on the opposite end of the "Cool Dad" scale. HE liked the movie just fine, but I also knew plenty of kids whose parents wouldn't let them watch it, so they had to sneak it home from the video store.

Just a totally different time.

[AquaParade]

Leo, that MK movie situation reminds me of South Park. I remember buying an Eric Cartman plushie at Target in elementary school. Seemed clearly intended for kids and I'm pretty sure it was stocked with all the other toys.

And, yeah, that MK movie is awesome. Probably my favorite "bad movie", aside from "Billy Madison", if we want to call it that.

[Andrew NDB]

No, MK was bullsh**. If you're making a video game adaptation that can't even keep the same tone as what it's adapting... what are you doing?

I'll grant that the movie was moderately entertaining on its own... but jesus. And the sequel, Annihilation? Probably on my top 10 worst movies of all time list.

[AquaParade]

Bullsh** or not, it's a lot of fun. The soundtrack and fights work and it is charming seeing that world and it's characters come to life with care. The gore wasn't true to the tone of the game, but considering we were watching harmless sprites at the time in the game, the film didn't feel that egregious in it's lack of full on gore. Seeing that "grunt" ninja shattered into popsicle-bits by Sub-Zero in the middle of a dinner ceremony was actually pretty disturbing as a kid.

It's harmless fun. But I agree that Annihilation was total ass. Probably the worst movie I had seen in theaters until Suicide Squad came into my life. Looking forward to the new MK movie though, even if I'm not necessarily holding my breath. At least it will be violent.

[Leo656]

No, MK was bullsh**. If you're making a video game adaptation that can't even keep the same tone as what it's adapting... what are you doing?

I'll grant that the movie was moderately entertaining on its own... but jesus. And the sequel, Annihilation? Probably on my top 10 worst movies of all time list.

Cashing in. "Making hay while the sun shines". The same reason they forced out a cartoon show and toy line aimed at Very Young Children right after the movie came out, despite adamantly insisting "This thing we're making is in no way for Very Young Children. WINK. Ahem." They knew they very likely weren't going to be around forever with this "Mortal Kombat" thing and needed to pull in as much money from as many projects as possible before the bubble burst. They didn't have the luxury in 1994 of being able to look back 25 years later and say "We should've done This or That instead."

No WAY did they expect MK to still be a franchise in 20 years; hell, they probably half-expected the government to get their way and shut them down because at one point that was a VERY real concern. And if it wasn't that then it was gonna be another "fad" that people dropped out of quickly, which they had every right to expect as well. In any case, they very clearly and obviously figured, "This is our One Chance to make a movie so we might as well just get it done as best we can." They had no reasonable expectation that they'd ever get another chance. From their perspective all they had to concern themselves with was, "If it's even a little bit better than the Street Fighter or Double Dragon movies, then We Win." And they succeeded in that. That's the only bar they were concerned with clearing at that time.

And frankly the movie did have the exact same tone as the games did. It just didn't have the gore. The games were violent but even from the beginning were VERY tongue-in-cheek; by that, the movie was far more serious than it maybe still could have gotten away with. In any case, "Tone" and "Aesthetic" are not the same thing. And it wasn't going to have the gore in 1994, that was never going to happen. BUT, they had a very real impetus to still get a movie on the market and collect as much money as they could possibly get before either the MK fad died, the "video game movie" fad died, or BOTH died. They didn't have the luxury of waiting for the audience to grow a bit older or for cultural standards to relax themselves. "We have Five Minutes to cash in. Let's do the best we can." Compared to everything else in its genre - and I've said this about lots of things that were similarly Of A Certain Time - it's a miracle its as good as it is.

Their foresight was proven semi-correct as well. A few short years later the "Tomb Raider" movies made decent money based off of Jolie's chest prosthetics and nothing else, BUT the Video Game Movie fad DID die - MK pretty much being considered "The Only Good One Ever Made" until Sonic came out - and while MK did not "die" it DID go into a huge lull for several years very shortly after the movie's success when MK4 under-performed and "Mythologies" was terrible. SO, their "Let's just get it done within whatever limitations we have before people stop paying any attention to us" approach was not only proven to be wise, it was very successful because the movie was a decent hit and is still fondly remembered. Almost 25 years as "The ONLY good or even decent Video Game Movie" is nothing to sneeze at. If they'd waited for the kids playing the games to grow up and be able to buy tickets to see R-rated movies, they'd have missed their entire window. By 2004 when MK was back on the rise, video game movies were rightly seen as a bad joke, with the MK movie from the 90s being the sole exception to that "Rule." Remove the 1990s MK movie from existence, you don't get any of what came later. You maybe don't even still have an MK franchise at all after the bottom drops out of the franchise in 1997.

I keep noticing how a lot of people can't seem to properly put things like this into the proper historical context because they're too busy looking back through a modern lens with the "Would'a-Could'a-Should'a." You can't do that, as fun as it may be, because it simply doesn't work. Context is everything. Historical perspective is everything. Putting one's self "in the moment" while trying to make sense of these decisions is everything, if we're sincerely trying to understand the "Why". Despite their outward pretenses, in 1994/5 MK was a "kids property" (See: the fact of how they made kids' clothing and comic books and stuff like that already BEFORE the movie or cartoon ever came out), and in turn they made a movie reflecting that, which still stayed as close as anyone possibly could to the spirit of the games if not the ultra-violent aesthetic.

Anyway, that's the Very Long Answer to your question. :lol: "What Were They Doing?" The very best they could while having a gun pressed to their head and a ticking clock counting down the seconds remaining for them to remain culturally relevant, in a time and place where video game franchises didn't stay popular for 30 years. "You can do EVERYTHING from the games... except show blood" in all honesty wasn't even THAT bad of a compromise, all things considered. They could have gone the, "Just change everything, people are stupid and won't care" approach. Thankfully, they didn't.
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"Annihilation" on the other hand truly IS godawful. Easily one of the worst movies ever made with no redeeming factors outside of maybe a couple hot chicks. Even "DOA: Dead Or Alive" was better because at least they knew they were making junk and leaned into it unapologetically. MK:A is just worthless.

Biggest difference I felt between the two MK films, was that with the first one, they at least TRIED to make a "good movie" and not JUST a cash-in. MK:A, they saw those last few sands in the hourglass about to fall and said "F*ck it. Let's cram in as many characters from MK2 and MK3 as we can, this thing's about to hit a wall anyway" and cranked it out in desperation. Same problems X-Men 3 had, "Let's just cram a million characters in for two-second cameos and not have them DO anything of importance. People will be too busy going 'Hey, it's ______!' to notice or care that they may as well be cardboard cut-outs." Except, people DID notice.

First movie is goddamn "Citizen Kane" compared to the SECOND one. Good Lord. I really don't actually get legitimately angry at movies very often because I have better things to do. BUT, MK:A is admittedly very bad for my blood pressure. No soul whatsoever. At least with the first one, they TRIED.
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I'm actually not looking forward to the new MK movie very much, because it wasn't that long ago they were trying to sell a script with the main characters being teenaged kids and they wanted everybody to be all excited about it. I know that's not the project currently in development, but it tells me that, like TMNT, the people running the movie arm of the franchise don't know what they have and will just fling sh*t at the wall until they get something workable.

Wish I could be excited, but I'll believe it's worth being excited over when I see that for myself. They've made like two dozen announcements for MK movies "in development" over the last 20 years, all terrible, all never made. But NOW they suddenly figured it out? I don't buy it. But hey, I'd love to be wrong. The web series was great. BUT, they had a lot more freedom than a movie will have, though. Different stakes, different standards.

We shall see.

[AquaParade]

Definitely reason to be skeptical over the new MK movie. As a fan of the franchise, I'm extremely curious to see what they come up with, and I expect to have a good time experiencing just that, but a great movie would certainly be a welcome surprise.

The producer's only comments so far seem to be that the movie will have fatalities and gore. That's a good message to get out there, but after a few of those comments I'm left thinking "okay, and what else?"

[Leo656]

They have a great lore and mythology and whatever else to work with, so I want to be excited. SF games might be "better" but I think part of why MK survives and occasionally thrives is that they have a MUCH better story and more memorable characters. I like SF just fine but by comparison it's very bland. MK just has a much richer tapestry of elements in play.

The "Raiden" spot from the web series with him stuck in the asylum and unable to summon his power is one of my favorite things ever. Felt like Snyder directed it. :lol: It amazes me how much people hate it, but then I read the comments and it's like, very clear they didn't "get it".

That whole entire series was great. A few creative choices I wouldn't have made but on the whole it felt like they did much more Right than Wrong. Any movie would do well to try and stick close to what they did there.

[AquaParade]

I agree. I've always preferred the mechanics of Street Fighter, but I've played way more Mortal Kombat, just because I'm a sucker of that mythology and those characters.

[Sumac]

No, MK was bullsh**. If you're making a video game adaptation that can't even keep the same tone as what it's adapting... what are you doing?
MK movie was as close as you can get to MK1 aesthetics.
Original MK game was essentially "Bloodsport", but with ninjas and magic. Heck, whole MK franchise grew up out of attempt to make a video game based on Van Damme flicks, with him as the lead in the game, before he quit to make a game with Sega, which never came out.

Movie is essentially Bloodsport, but with ninjas and magic. And gore...MK1 gore was VERY mediocre. MK2 was where the meat is (mind the pun), but movie did its best with the climate it was made in.

"Annihilation" on the other hand truly IS godawful. Easily one of the worst movies ever made with no redeeming factors outside of maybe a couple hot chicks. Even "DOA: Dead Or Alive" was better because at least they knew they were making junk and leaned into it unapologetically. MK:A is just worthless.
Annihilation was exactly that: execs believed that it'll make money on the name alone and released what was essentilally unfinished cut of the movie (which explains awful CGI and some other stuff, like Rain dying twice and embarassing green screen explosion).

In fact, this is what nearly killed the series, since Midway higher ups thought that slapping MK logo on a piece of **** would be enough to make it a blockbuster. They were in for a rude awakening, when MK4 was a mediocre success (outsold by all contemporaries, like Tekken and DOA and SoulEdge), MKM was a failure, MK Gold (on Dreamcast was unneeded and outdated), Special Forces and Advance (which got 0 score in some magazine) nearly put series into grave.

Gladly at this point Midway managers realized it was life or death situation for the series and gave developers enough time to make a decent game with updated mechanics, putting series back on the map.

I don't have faith in a new MK movie. Even if they nail gore, they need as well get fun and entertaining characters and some semblance of coherent plot.
Lately most blockbusters are lacking both of those elements, and most of the video game based movies, especially ones based on fighting games, end up as utter crap. We'll be lucky if it good enough to produce some memes. Last big Street Fighter movie was such garbage it was not even good for that.

The "Raiden" spot from the web series with him stuck in the asylum and unable to summon his power is one of my favorite things ever. Felt like Snyder directed it. :lol: It amazes me how much people hate it, but then I read the comments and it's like, very clear they didn't "get it".
This was my favorite episodes in the web-series, alongside one with cyborgs. Because cyborgs doing martial arts is a sure way to make me orgasm. :lol:

I agree. I've always preferred the mechanics of Street Fighter, but I've played way more Mortal Kombat, just because I'm a sucker of that mythology and those characters.
I always preferred MK control scheme, and this is why I hate MK11, since it plays more like hybrid between MK and SF, rather than MK game.

[ssjup81]

It's been happening since they decided the "Mortal Kombat" movie needed to be OK for 13 year-olds. Beyond ridiculous. Before that, it'd be weird if such things weren't R. It wasn't even a question .I still find it crazy how I was a Mortal Kombat fan at the time, but didn't notice the lack of...well...all the stuff that made Mortal Kombat, Mortal Kombat when seeing this film at the time because I was so focused on the story, the soundtrack, and the characters and liking all of those...especially after being disappointed with stuff like Super Mario Bros and Street Fighter. I think the only time while originally watching that had me react to the lack of signature Mortal Kombatish stuff was when Goro killed Johnny's friend. I was so waiting for that fatality that had been done to me countless times in the game. lol I was like...hey, wait! That's not a fatality! Ooo, stage fatality with Shang Tsung, cool... lol I was going on 14 at the time, I think.

My aunt was the one to point out how tame the movie was back then and then it hit me. I'd enjoyed it without all the gore without fully realizing it. lolNo, MK was bullsh**. If you're making a video game adaptation that can't even keep the same tone as what it's adapting... what are you doing?Because the ones who played the games wouldn't have been able to see it otherwise. They had to tone it down in some way. I know if this movie had been R-rated, I wouldn't have been able to see it because my mother wouldn't have let me see it. She was strict when it came to content in movies and television in regards to adult content and stuff. As for Mortal Kombat's game, she felt it was too silly to be taken seriously. Ironic, I know.I'll grant that the movie was moderately entertaining on its own... but jesus. And the sequel, Annihilation? Probably on my top 10 worst movies of all time list.Ugh...Annihilation needed to be annihilated. Just a cash grab. Man, I remember how excited I was for it too. I remember Entertainment Tonight talking about it. I was hyped for it.

Then I saw it...not opening weekend, but the second weekend. My cousin and I should've seen the signs, but it's not like we could leave since we were dropped off. There were maybe about six people in the whole room. The reputation had gotten around, apparently, and I'd missed that.

Even though the first film wasn't gory or anything, at least, for the most part, they kept the story in-tact with borrowed elements from game 2. The acting was okay too and the music was cool. That dumpster fire of a second movie was just awful on all levels. They threw in characters just because. They turned Shao Khan into a whiny wimp with daddy and family issues that shouldn't have been there in the first place because they never existed! They made Shinnock unintimidating and unnecessary in general. The characters didn't seem to even know what they were supposed to be doing and nothing they did really accomplished anything. Jax was a walking stereotype. Raiden wasn't entertaining. They had a bajillion characters in the film that didn't need to be there. They threw in younger Sub-Zero but instead of having him help, he vanishes for the rest of the film and only had him fight Scorpion (who's just there for no reason) because people like Scorpion vs Sub-Zero and even then, they didn't do that right since Scorpion was more of a neutral character, not a bad guy lackey, which they messed up in the first film too. Nightwolf was pointless. Sheeva was pointless. Jade, one of my favorites in the game...pointless. Baraka was an abomination with his Party City mask, teased Kabal and Stryker, but didn't use them, tossed in Mileena just because,...ugh...

Geez, the story to MK3 was straight-forward and to the point in the game. Why didn't they just follow that plot and have earth's warriors gathering troops to go up against Shao Khan and his minions and get Sindell back to normal? They even had a bigger budget than the other film. Where did that money go? The Beast Wars CGI effects? >_>

I left that theater, my $6.50 (or whatever it was) completely wasted! I'm ashamed that I even contributed to their ticket sales!

[Leo656]

I think it says everything that needs saying about "Mulan" upon realizing that this is now the Mortal Kombat thread. :lol:

I also must say I admire Sumac's passion and knowledge with regard to the MK franchise. Jupi as well.

I personally can fumble my way through most fighting games okay against the computer but am very much an amateur. But I always found the MK games much easier and fun for someone like me who had neither the time, skill, nor inclination to "git gud" compared to the SF stuff. Not that MK is one-dimensional or anything like that, it's just much easier in general to pick up and play those games without a lot of experience, in my opinion. Like, you play video games to see and do Cool Sh*t, and the MK series has a much lower barrier for doing so compared to many other fighters. I probably wouldn't have gotten into other fighting series later on if I hadn't dabbled so frequently in the MK pool back in the 90s. Now, I pretty much play anything.

It's funny, because I didn't really consider myself "a fan" of the series back in the day, I just played the games once in a while at friends' houses and whatnot. I did have a sweatshirt featuring some awesome Tobias artwork of multiple characters after the first game came out (The series TOTALLY wasn't being marketed to kids, though. :lol: Having officially-licensed apparel designed and sold for 10-year olds was just a happy accident, really!), but I didn't pick it out, I got it as a gift from a well-intentioned but ill-informed relative for Christmas. Then I liked the movie alright. Then I really fell in love with "Juke Joint Jezebel" by KMFDM and thus bought the soundtrack for the movie... and then the OTHER movie soundtracks (including "More Kombat"). Then the "newer" MK games started coming out with "Deadly Alliance" and I had a lot of fun with all of those.

Yet, in spite of all that I've always been very hesitant to label myself a "fan" and I don't even know why. :lol: Maybe because I'm actually not that good at the games (least I don't think I am, I'unno) and thus labeling myself a fan seemed disingenuous. That's very silly, though, in thinking about it and realizing how much time and money I've spent on the brand. I guess I am a fan of the franchise when looking at the big picture, maybe even a pretty big one depending on criteria. I generally would have said "I merely enjoy and have a fond appreciation for the franchise and what it does" but I admit that REALLY seems like splitting hairs at this point. :lol:

[Papenbrook]

Mulan was possibly filmed next to concentration camps.

They've thanked/credited a number of organizations that are involved in the oppression of Muslim Uighurs. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2020-09-08/mulan-end-credits-xinjiang-boycott%3f_amp=true)

[turtle1237]

Mulan was possibly filmed next to concentration camps.

They've thanked/credited a number of organizations that are involved in the oppression of Muslim Uighurs. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2020-09-08/mulan-end-credits-xinjiang-boycott%3f_amp=true)

It's not going to look good, but let's be real here, I do not think China or Disney cares about this sadly. All Disney sees is Green and China can out right oppress it's people.

[turtle1237]

They have a great lore and mythology and whatever else to work with, so I want to be excited. SF games might be "better" but I think part of why MK survives and occasionally thrives is that they have a MUCH better story and more memorable characters. I like SF just fine but by comparison it's very bland. MK just has a much richer tapestry of elements in play.

The "Raiden" spot from the web series with him stuck in the asylum and unable to summon his power is one of my favorite things ever. Felt like Snyder directed it. :lol: It amazes me how much people hate it, but then I read the comments and it's like, very clear they didn't "get it".

That whole entire series was great. A few creative choices I wouldn't have made but on the whole it felt like they did much more Right than Wrong. Any movie would do well to try and stick close to what they did there.

Back in the 90's LINES were drawn. :lol: You were either Team Street Fighter or Team Mortal Kombat. I choose Team Mortal Kombat. To this day I own at least some form of each game from Sega Genesis to the Switch. Hell I even have the 1up version of Mortal Kombat.

I think the reason MK is so strong today is because of Story, Characters, Blood, willing to go the extra rating were most fighting games are happy with Teen, and of course the battle stages. Each game is pretty good in it's own way. With all the hate MK4 gets, it was a pretty amazing 3D game at it's first attempt. Johnny Cage was always my favorite out of the cast.

[Coola Yagami]

Y'all forgot that another reason the Mortal Kombat movie was better than the rest if because it had a story and they mostly stuck to it.

While I admit the Mario movie kept the bare essence of Mario and Luigi rescuing the Princess from Koopa, look at all the extra mess they threw in there to fill up the time slot.

The Double Dragon movie kind sorta kept the bare essence of Billy and Jimmy Lee saving Marion from gangs, but look at all the extra nonsense they threw in there to fill up the time slot.

The Street Fighter movie, which easily could have been about a gawd damn international martial arts tournament considering the fact that Van Damne has already been in similar movies, and we could have had Guile and Chun Li going after Bison for revenge was discarded for whatever the hell crazy-ass over-convoluted plot De Sousa was on. What pisses me off the most was the fact that in an interview in EGM (or Gamepro I forget) he literally he could have made the movie be about some martial arts tournament and maybe they discover Bison is a druglord or whatever, but that would be a small budget film, we got a big budget, we can do better!. WTF dude.

Mortal Kombat dealt with a deadly martial arts tournament, the last one that Earth simple HAS to win or Outworld will take over, and guess what... they kept all of those details in the movie! They kept stuff that was in the official lore like Sonya only being involved cause she was chasing Kano and such. The director didn't look at the game's lore and just said 'eh, we could do it better'. They actually stuck to the script! A movie based on a tournament fighting game that actually has a tournament in it, like who woulda thought right?

I swear De Sousa just took a look at Guile and Bison's uniforms and thought 'yeah, let's make this a military type movie about rescuing hostages! Let's rent some tanks and choppers! Cause that's Street Fighter! Not this Ha-Do-Ken crap."

[Leo656]

Yeah, I agree with all of that. I was always blown away by how faithful the MK movie was to what I knew of the story at that time - which wasn't much, but everything I recognized was in there in some form or fashion. It wasn't completely "In Name Only" like every other video game movie I'd ever seen up to that point or most of them since. I came away from it thinking, "Well it wasn't perfect, but overall, THAT's how you do these things." And then nobody ever bothered to try after that. It's still the only one I'm aware of that treats its source material faithfully even a little bit. No gore, sure... but everything else is there, and I'd honestly argue that's more important.

I mean let's be honest... if someone made a "Mortal Kombat" movie, and there were no recognizable characters or settings and it was set on Earth to save money, and there was no Outworld or tournament and Shang Tsung was just some international crime boss or whatever, and Goro was just a regular guy on steroids and so on... BUT, you had guys ripping heads off and ripping out hearts and all of that... would that HONESTLY be better? I think that'd be terrible, frankly. "Well, at least it was violent!" Yeah, but if they lost everything else, it'd have even LESS to do with MK than the sanitized and relatively bloodless original movie did. I think they proved that you CAN lose the gore and still remain faithful, but you can NOT lose the story, setting, or characters and still say it's Mortal Kombat. In the Big Picture, some things are ultimately much more important than others.

My wife still unapologetically loves the first SF movie, but she's biased as hell as a fan of the franchise and to this day is all "I'm just happy they even made it." Also Guile is her favorite character so again, more bias. We don't "fight" about it, but I'm totally not allowed to say it's bad without getting some kind of fierce rebuttal. :lol: It's SO bad, though. Guile's little "rah-rah" speech near the end was nice, but on the whole the movie is such crap. I really don't see how even a fan could ever excuse it. Like, I enjoy the DOA movie, but I'd never say it was GOOD, it ain't good, it's just a very entertaining Bad Movie that was at least faithful to its source material. SF wasn't even THAT; it was neither faithful nor particularly entertaining. Although by all accounts JCVD was absolutely coked off his tits for the entire duration of filming so that's sort of fun to watch once you know that. :lol: But by that point you're reaaaaally reaching for something to be entertained by if you're reduced to looking for that kinda thing.

Who ever thought they'd ever make a WORSE SF movie? And then, somehow, there's "Legend of Chun-Li". Full-Stop, pretty sure that's the absolute worst thing ever made. It's GOTTA be up there. The only entertaining thing about that movie wasn't even IN the movie; it was the time someone from the cast went on "Attack of the Show" and they played a clip from it, and when they came back you could just see Kevin Pereira trying harder than he'd ever tried in his entire life NOT to just rip the entire goddamn thing to shreds on live TV. How he ever kept a straight face, I'll never know, but you could see it in his eyes. I'm sure as soon as they cut to commercial he just exploded, but he kept it together until then and I tip my hat to him for that.

Like, Good LORD. There's Bad Movies, and then there's goddamn "Legend of Chun-Li." I don't understand how some sh*t even gets made. Seriously. They could've looked at the dailies on like, Day Two and realized that thing wasn't gonna work, and they should've cut their loses then. I'd be all about a REAL SF movie, but... Lord knows THAT ain't happening. I doubt any reputable studio would ever touch the brand again after "Legend of Chun-Li".

[Sumac]

One of the draws of MK over its competitors, was easier control scheme and the fact that characters only had different special moves, but their regular moves were the same.

Then all characters got different normal moves and then developers had started adding subsystems upon systems in the gameplay, catering to the competitive crowd, which I think is a mistake since MK was never popular competitive fighting game and it has become a best-seller solely because it was appealing to casuals. MK11 is especially guilty of this, IMO.

Even this days, when WB wasted crapton of money to the keep MK and Injustice tournament scenes alive, those games survive as active disciplines only for about 2-3 years before being replaced by their successors.

Street Fighter movie is a crap, but it is such hilarious and memetic crap, I can't hate it.

Double Dragon as well. Despite being made in the 90s it perfectly captured style of 80s schlockbuster movies. This alone is a good reason for me not to hate it.

[oldmanwinters]

The Critical Drinker comes through again:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIH-eFqBLP4

[ZariusTwo]

China ban all media coverage of the movie

https://www.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2611FP


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[Sumac]

I will never not be amused by fragility of Chinese state.

[CyberCubed]

So how much money did Disney lose on this? Didn't it cost like 200 million or something?

No theatrical release, no release in China which it was made for, how much money did they lose? Not to mention most of the people watching it digitally are doing it either illegally or with a Disney + subscription already

[Leo656]

Hopefully they lost enough to put an end to this entire "live-action remake" experiment. Blech.

[Galactus]

I've never watched the original Mulan as it came at a time that Disney's second golden age was waning and I was losing interest but I saw one of those budget DVDs they have by the the check out of supermarkets of it so I decided to check it out before going into the new version. It was actually much better than expected. I'd put it ahead Hercules and Hunchback of Notre Dame easily.

As for the new version I liked it fine. I tend to think these live action remakes are in an awkward position of recreating something which was not designed to be live. The new Mulan didn't even try to go in that direction and I think was better for it but I understand if people think otherwise.

Oh and...

As a kid I loved them both I lost track of Street Fighter mid way through the Alpha series though I did pick up Super Street Fighter IV and didn't pick up any Mortal Kombat game after III but going back and playing the series SF over MK.

Also the first Street Fighter movie is the anime it's also the only Street Fighter movie anyone should recognise. Not even Ming Na and Kylie Minogue could get me to watch the live version again.

[Shark_Blade]

Kylie Minogue is Cammy in Street Fighter omg??? :tlol:
Just saw some vids she did okay in that campy movie I reckon.

But yeah the Street Fighter 2 animated movie is the best. It really hold up surprisingly - bloody brutal fights, engaging story and beautiful animation. Saw it like 2 weeks ago and I’m surprised people don’t talk more about it. One of the reason why I changed my avatar to Ryu heh.

[Galactus]

I'd also recommend the original Street Fighter II manga. It was the first manga I ever read so I have a soft spot for it but I still think it's genuinely good, different but similar story to the movie but still good.

[ranger_scout]

Hopefully they lost enough to put an end to this entire "live-action remake" experiment. Blech.

The Little Mermaid and Peter Pan & Wendy are still happening. They’ve already announced casting and the cameras will begin rolling for them at some point. Next year, we have Cruella with Emma Stone. We’ll see if Marc Webb will ever bring his version of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs to life.

[ssjup81]

The more I hear about the Mulan film, the more indifferent I'm becoming in regards to viewing it. One thing I really enjoyed about the original was how Mulan's character had to work hard to become a good soldier. She was terrible and struggled, but she managed to persevere and pull through while also earning the respect of her fellow soldiers. I'm under the impression that Mulan for this live-action version doesn't get that type of character growth because she's being portrayed as the perfect, strong independent woman....which would make her a boring character and a bit Mary Sue-ish. For the original, we were rooting for her to pull through and after that reveal, we rooted for her to get out of her situation. Is there any validity to this?The Little Mermaid and Peter Pan & Wendy are still happening. They’ve already announced casting and the cameras will begin rolling for them at some point. Next year, we have Cruella with Emma Stone. We’ll see if Marc Webb will ever bring his version of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs to life.I still don't get why they would want to do The Little Mermaid. It's so unnecessary. Peter Pan & Wendy...I can give a slight pass to. Live-action Peter Pan films have been a thing for years, haven't they? It also seems like it would be easy to do.

Didn't know about the Cruella DaVille movie. Wow, what could that be about. Will there be no 101 Dalmations?

Snow White and the Seven Dwarves can be easily pulled off in live-action too (I know I've come across something live-action-ish as a kid...maybe a short special or something), I feel. It's kind of grounded in reality. The story didn't have supernatural elements or all that much magic in it, outside of what the evil queen was doing when trying to kill Snow White.

[Leo656]

The fact that there's actually been so many live-action Peter Pan movies is why I simply can't ever get excited about the possibility of another one. I also question who the audience would be. Kids AND adults are a lot more cynical nowadays and I feel like that's why all the reboot attempts over the last 20 years or so have fallen flat. Who are they for? Kids no longer take much mirth in wonder and whimsy, and adults have no time for reflection in their race to politicize and be outraged by everything.

There's just no place for stories about "the boy who refused to grow up" in our modern society. Perhaps there should be, but I'm afraid it's become passe' and outdated and I think that's why all the reboots fail. The moral of the story literally says, "Don't be in a rush to grow up" and yet Real Life in the present day is all about the exact opposite of that: "Grow up, find your Pet Cause, get outraged, and grab your picket signs." These things simply don't gel.
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As for "Mulan", the last thing I read about it was yesterday, where a bunch of people are apparently outraged that it "wasn't queer enough", because they removed the General guy character who was supposedly showing interest in Mulan while she was "male-presenting" in the original, so a bunch of people are angry at Disney for "removing such an obvious bisexual icon" and thus "ruining" the entire story.

And again, this is why we can't have nice things. Because apparently the worst thing about a Disney movie, to some people, is "It didn't do enough to undermine hetero-normative dominance in our patriarchal society."

Good gravy. Wish this ride had an Emergency Stop button. I've been ready to get off for a while now.

[Vicky82]

The Little Mermaid and Peter Pan & Wendy are still happening. They’ve already announced casting and the cameras will begin rolling for them at some point. Next year, we have Cruella with Emma Stone. We’ll see if Marc Webb will ever bring his version of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs to life.

There is also, Lilo & Stitch, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, The Sword In The Stone, Pinocchio, Jungle Book 2, Aladdin 2, Bambi, Hercules and Robin Hood, They are all in Development. But some of them are being released in Cinema while others are going on Disney plus.

[ranger_scout]

Didn't know about the Cruella DaVille movie. Wow, what could that be about. Will there be no 101 Dalmations?


Disney has decided to give Cruella the same treatment as Maleficent. We are going to be given a backstory about what made her such a terrible person.

Pinocchio

That one almost ended up like the canceled film Gambit. It lost more than one director, but they finally got Robert Zemeckis to seal the deal as the film's director. Plus, Tom Hanks is in talks to play Gepetto.

[Leo656]

I can't wait to sympathize with the woman who skins puppies for fashion. Awesome.

[Coola Yagami]

The more I hear about the Mulan film, the more indifferent I'm becoming in regards to viewing it. One thing I really enjoyed about the original was how Mulan's character had to work hard to become a good soldier. She was terrible and struggled, but she managed to persevere and pull through while also earning the respect of her fellow soldiers. I'm under the impression that Mulan for this live-action version doesn't get that type of character growth because she's being portrayed as the perfect, strong independent woman....which would make her a boring character and a bit Mary Sue-ish. For the original, we were rooting for her to pull through and after that reveal, we rooted for her to get out of her situation. Is there any validity to this?I still don't get why they would want to do The Little Mermaid. It's so unnecessary. Peter Pan & Wendy...I can give a slight pass to. Live-action Peter Pan films have been a thing for years, haven't they? It also seems like it would be easy to do.



That's the woke 2010s for ya. Women can't be portrayed as having flaws, they can't struggle, we're not allowed to see how they start off weak or as losers until they overcome whatever they need to overcome to become the hero of the story. No, in today's media women must be shown as bolder, faster, stronger and superior to men in every way since the opening act.

Men get the hero's journey. Women get to be perfect from the first line of dialogue.

[neatoman]

I can't wait to sympathize with the woman who skins puppies for fashion. Awesome.

Me too! Here's my personal list of sympathetic characters they should do next:

The Witch Queen who poisons her stepdaughter for being pretty
The aristocrat who enslaves her stepdaughter just to be cruel
The literal Pirate who wants to murder children for petty revenge
The usurper prince who overtaxes his subjects
The Butler who drowns kittens for money
The Undead demon king with a zombie army
The brotherkiller
The judge who wants genocide
The gorilla poacher

[ranger_scout]

Me too! Here's my personal list of sympathetic characters they should do next:

The Witch Queen who poisons her stepdaughter for being pretty


They did that in a book.

https://books.disney.com/book/fairest-of-all/