What's in store for Sacks

[neatoman]

Fichtner signed on for multiple movies. This makes sense as Sacks was originally meant to be Shredder, but of course that was altered due to backlash at the last minute.

So then the question is, what will they do with Sacks in the sequels?

[ToTheNines]

I'd say make him an Utrom. That'd explain why he needed to get "stupid rich" if he was trying to build a teleportation device, or space ship.

[neatoman]

I'd say make him an Utrom. That'd explain why he needed to get "stupid rich" if he was trying to build a teleportation device, or space ship.

In that case he's probably Krang.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

They'll probably just make the same movie over and over again, with Sacks making up all sorts of stupid get-rich schemes that culminate in a turtles vs. Shredder boss battle.

The first movie made a sickening amount of money for the studio. In that regard - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[IndigoErth]

I could go for that, particularly if they'd reveal it in a surprising way like the current series would.

Turtles try to kill him, almost promising us that it's his final movie, let those swords actually slash into him and...

...2014 version à la 2012...
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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Making him Krang in disguise seems the only way to keep Eric Sachs in the films, fulfill contract obligations, and somewhat mollify TMNT fans who hated him in the first movie.

... So it probably won't happen.

[ToTheNines]

Making him Krang in disguise seems the only way to keep Eric Sachs in the films, fulfill contract obligations, and somewhat mollify TMNT fans who hated him in the first movie.

... So it probably won't happen.

.... I lol'd.

[Candy Kappa]

I hope he's just a smarmy ruthless business man. Getting "stupid rich" is amazingly great character motivation for a character you're meant to love hating.

[neatoman]

I hope he's just a smarmy ruthless business man. Getting "stupid rich" is amazingly great character motivation for a character you're meant to love hating.

A rich man wanting to get "stupid rich" seems like it does not have potential for three or four movies though...

[Candy Kappa]

A rich man wanting to get "stupid rich" seems like it does not have potential for three or four movies though...

I know, right? And it would have been amazing if he got away scotch-free with money every time, while main villain takes the fall.

[IndigoErth]

:tlol: Literally. "Sorry, Shredder, I was just using you. I probably also want to steal your position with the Foot. (And I'm telling you this because I like to fully explain my plans to people, just like how I told the Turtles.)"

[Galactus]

I've never understood why people were so eager to believe the Sacks character was going to be an Utrom or Kraang or similar alien character or why people seem convinced retroactively making him one in the sequel is a good idea.

Granted we don't really know how Ch'rell or Krang would act in this new movie series but the writing of the character and Fichtner's performance didn't strike me as particularly alien.

Not to mention Sachs' established backstory doesn't really gel with making him a character like that. He lost his parents and was raised by Shredder so does the exo-suit grow from child to manhood? Why would a Krang or Ch'rell or similar character do such a thing?

I honestly think the best thing to do is just dispense with the character all together. Just forget about him or add in a line that he was sent to jail or something. The fact that Fichtner has a three picture deal doesn't mean much, they can either buy him out or transfer him to another Paramount movie. Dare I say Fictner might prefer that; After all he signed on to play the primary antagonist in what he was told to be a faithful yet mature re-imagining of TMNT. Not playing second in command in something that has the majority of people who follow franchise up in arms in one of the most light and stupid takes on TMNT yet.

That being said the fact that we're getting Vern back makes me think that's unlikely so an alternative would be having him as something of a stand-in for Chaplin or the '87 version of Baxter Stockman as Shredder's lead scientist.

[Powder]

My hope was that they'd turn him into The Rat King. He's lost his empire, he's a wanted man, he was in a lab that blew up & was full of test subjects (rats) & mutagen. It'd be easy as hell to essentially render him Nick's version of the character. But like my homeboy said, if it makes sense, they won't do it.

Either way, this movie would be too jam packed to focus on Shredder, B&R, AND Rat King...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

My hope was that they'd turn him into The Rat King. He's lost his empire, he's a wanted man, he was in a lab that blew up & was full of test subjects (rats) & mutagen. It'd be easy as hell to essentially render him Nick's version of the character. But like my homeboy said, if it makes sense, they won't do it.

Either way, this movie would be too jam packed to focus on Shredder, B&R, AND Rat King...

Now that you bring it back up, I really like that idea! Much more natural. But even less chance of that happening...

Now I'm trying to figure out in my mind what William Fichnter would be like as the Rat King. :tlol:

[Cryomancer]

Hopefully nothing.

[Bitsy83]

I want him to get the Cyclops from X-men: The Last Stand treatment. Just have him be in the first five-ten minutes of the movie and then be killed off.

I already made a theory of how Stockman is secretly working with Kraang and his Utrom army, take over Sachs's mansion while he's away, when Sachs comes back from prison (I assumed he was arrested or on bail or something), Stockman hands him over the Kraang, then we don't see him until the middle of the movie where he gets mutated into a monster that the Turtles have to fight and eventually kill.

.....Hey, they said he'd be in the movie; they never specified how long.

[TrickOrTreater]

Make him the main bad guy again, holding Super-Shredder's leash.

[evan2000]

I'm surprised nobody speculated that he becomes Agent Bishop of this universe. Think about it, owning a lab that conducts genetic experiments, having knowledge and access to alien technology (mutagen), being filthy rich enough to fund an entire engineering team that build all the lab equipment, military weapons and Shredder's armor;

Oh, and wearing a suit all the time, who else would that be? :tcool:

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Make him the main bad guy again, holding Super-Shredder's leash.

I like that idea. He'd kind of be like Grand Moff Tarkin.

Darth Vader is cool, sure, but remember that audiences were introduced to him as a servant to Grand Moff Tarkin. The man could tell Vader to do anything and Vader would obey. Think about how cool that is for a minute.

If Sacks weren't such a loser he'd make an awesome Grand Moff Tarkin ripoff.

[CyberCubed]

I just hope he dies. Let him blow himself up or get electrocuted or something.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Ohhh nooo...

Here we go again...

[neatoman]

He becomes Shredder of course!

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Damn it! I really hope the writer never watched the movie and is just going by outdated information.

[IndigoErth]

Hope so too.

Heck, I've seen a couple articles that have claimed the sequel title as being Secret of the Ooze... :lol: if they can mess that up, I won't be surprised if some info is false for a while.

But I wouldn't be surprised either if they just decide that Shredder died or is badly/permanently injured throughout the second and Sacks takes over for him.

Although I'd prefer a more creative take, if they must switch it, such as maybe he tries to grab power over the Foot and the members have no idea it's Sacks and not the actual Shredder.

[Kanon]

He will seek revenge for his dead master......Nope, not really character like.
I thought he is more the business guy, who doesn´t give a **** about others.

What about Karai taking over the foot and Sacks get in touch with Krang for more mutagen to build an army? Sounds at least a little better. :ohwell:

[Shark_Blade]

So Saki is dead now Sacks replaces him...?

[DarkLightDragon]

Well it looks like they're going to have their cake and finally eat it after all with this development.

F***'s sake.

[TurtleTitan97]

This had better not be the case....

[Autbot_Benz]

how about we wait for ACTUAL INFO instead of making a big deal about an article that is from last month.

The same article says rumored to be in Casey Jones so it was before Amell got cast.

[Leo656]

I'unno. After every single thing about the first one became a worst-case scenario, I kind of forgive people for expecting every single thing to go wrong again this time. They're just going by precedent.

[pennydreadful]

I'm pretty sure the writer just made a mistake in the article but even if they didn't, it's not really going to matter. We know what we're in for with the sequel - second verse same as the first. This movie has the same weak writers and production team as the last one - it's highly unrealistic to expect an increase in quality, particularly with Bay's involvement. Bay has a formula for his movies, they make bank regardless of how much people complain, so he has no real reason to listen or change the way he does things just to please people complaining on the internet. And we've seen in the past that when he does listen (changing Fichtner to Sacks instead of Shredder at the last minute), he's still botched the execution.

It's all just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic at this point. Some people will hate it, critics will loathe it, enough people will still throw their money at it and say it's not that bad that the studios will pat Bay on the back and greenlight a third movie, and we'll all be back here again for The Great Movie Wars: Part 3. :tlol:

I've developed a rather fatalistic attitude towards the whole thing at this stage.

[TrickOrTreater]

I like that idea.

I was being facetious. It's an awful terrible idea and Shredder shouldn't be on anyone's leash.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I was being facetious. It's an awful terrible idea and Shredder shouldn't be on anyone's leash.

Shredder's already a lame-ass in this franchise anyway. Thomas the Tank Engine could beat him in a fight.

Megan Fox kicked him with her tennis shoe and the Shredder lost.

If you're that awful of a supervillain then you deserve to be on someone's leash.

[IndigoErth]

Maybe he's just in the process of devolving back to his kitchen gadget state as inspired by.

[Donny]

I'm surprised nobody speculated that he becomes Agent Bishop of this universe. Think about it, owning a lab that conducts genetic experiments, having knowledge and access to alien technology (mutagen), being filthy rich enough to fund an entire engineering team that build all the lab equipment, military weapons and Shredder's armor;

Oh, and wearing a suit all the time, who else would that be? :tcool:

Yeah, maybe he could be the Bishop of this universe. The problem to me though is that if he is going to take on that role we may get another movie with him as the main villain which I don't think we need. He was not an interesting enough character to reuse without changing him. I love the Bishop character but we need his relations to the government and the super soldier plot if using Sacks. And the super soldier thing was meant to be the plot of the first movie (the first movie would actually have been way better if they sticked to the super soldier plot, and had Fichtner playing Bishop instead and save Shredder for the sequel!)

I like the idea of Shredder doing experiments on him as a punishment for the failures in movie one, resulting in Sachs turning into the rat king. But then again Sachs should maybe just be all forgotten now, since I am really not that interested in him. He is sadly just a standard character now he is not the Shredder.

[Allio]

*Have him go to prison because of the acts of the first movie
*Gets released, it's because of Bishop
*Twist, Sachs is working for Krang
*Twist, Sachs is Ch'rell and he back stabs Krang

[CyberCubed]

Well now that Shredder is cast as an Asian we know he won't become Shredder. We also have a Baxter now so I don't know what they can do with him.

Don't like the idea of him being Krang or an Utrom as it doesn't really fit. Who knows.

[Shark_Blade]

On the contrary, I think he fits Kraang perfectly, all businesslike mind talk.

[Huzzah]

It's obvious, Sachs becomes Bebop. Because originally he was supposed to be a race changed Shredder (traditionally Asian), so this time he becomes a race changed Bebop (traditionally black). Then that'll be retconned and in the third movie he becomes Karai...

[Tora]

It's obvious, Sachs becomes Bebop. Because originally he was supposed to be a race changed Shredder (traditionally Asian), so this time he becomes a race changed Bebop (traditionally black). Then that'll be retconned and in the third movie he becomes Karai...

This is Perfect.

[senpai]

I wish he didn't have the name Sacks. During his speech, he probably said Sacks twenty times, and I'm just like "Stop saying that word."

[newhire13]

I'm actually starting to wonder if his character is being written out in favor of Baxter Stockman. He could potentially just have a cameo.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm actually starting to wonder if his character is being written out in favor of Baxter Stockman. He could potentially just have a cameo.

I would love that. Write him out, or use him as either an Utrom exosuit or forerunner for Bishop. No, scratch that. I don't trust PD to successfully redact Sachs to be Bishop.

Write him out or Utrom exosuit.

[bushido]

In the first film, when Sacks made ​​his speech, he talked about Sacks Robotics. We can assume Baxter Stockman works there.

[Andrew NDB]

Fichtner signed on for multiple movies. This makes sense as Sacks was originally meant to be Shredder, but of course that was altered due to backlash at the last minute.

So then the question is, what will they do with Sacks in the sequels?

Just because they signed him for 3 movies doesn't mean they have to use him for 3 movies. It just means he can't say no if they ask him.

[CyberCubed]

So that means we can see Shredder kill Sacks in the first 5 minutes of the new movie for failing him in the previous one. It will set the darker tone for the new movie and showcase the new Shredder's acting talents and we get to see Sachs killed off in the most brutal way possible.

Win/win.

[TrickOrTreater]

So that means we can see Shredder kill Sacks in the first 5 minutes of the new movie for failing him in the previous one. It will set the darker tone for the new movie and showcase the new Shredder's acting talents and we get to see Sachs killed off in the most brutal way possible.

Win/win.

Just like that suppuku scene that totally wasn't cut and absolutely was in the movie.

You're not getting brutal anything from the same people who gave you the first movie and the same person who gave you Earth to Echo.

If anything, they'll go MORE kid friendly.

[Andrew NDB]

What they could have done to reedit the movie when they did their reshoots to salvage things would have been... include some scene with Sacks betraying Saki near the end, poisoning him, and stealing his armor. Sacks then goes fighting the Turtles at the end and gets killed, and at the very end we see Saki, recovered, putting on some more traditional Shredder armor, setting up the sequel.

This way, #1: Sacks gets a payoff and a sendoff with a nice little ribbon and #2: Shredder gets an excuse for sucking in the final battle (it isn't Saki in it).

[Powder]

If anything, they'll go MORE kid friendly.

At this point, I wish they would. Shave off the adult humor, get rid of the hard to take serious seriousness, just embrace the batsh*tness that is this film. It'd at least be a more honest movie at that point.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

So that means we can see Shredder kill Sacks in the first 5 minutes of the new movie for failing him in the previous one. It will set the darker tone for the new movie and showcase the new Shredder's acting talents and we get to see Sachs killed off in the most brutal way possible.

Win/win.

I'd be up for that! But I think the best possible use for Sachs would be turning him into the Rat King, as one of our own has suggested at least twice on different threads...

Just like that suppuku scene that totally wasn't cut and absolutely was in the movie.

You're not getting brutal anything from the same people who gave you the first movie and the same person who gave you Earth to Echo.

If anything, they'll go MORE kid friendly.

Please, not Secret of the Ooze all over again! :tcry:

What they could have done to reedit the movie when they did their reshoots to salvage things would have been... include some scene with Sacks betraying Saki near the end, poisoning him, and stealing his armor. Sacks then goes fighting the Turtles at the end and gets killed, and at the very end we see Saki, recovered, putting on some more traditional Shredder armor, setting up the sequel.

This way, #1: Sacks gets a payoff and a sendoff with a nice little ribbon and #2: Shredder gets an excuse for sucking in the final battle (it isn't Saki in it).

That would indeed have been much better.

Andrew, I'm curious; with all your different "fan" projects (I use fan in quotation marks because you're aligned with the likes of Fosco, Carlson, Larsen, Murphy, Berger, and probably one or two others I'm not remembering), have you ever devoted any thought to what your own take on a TMNT reboot movie would be? I've love to hear your take.

[Shark_Blade]

Please, not Secret of the Ooze all over again! :tcry:
Safe to say there will be fights in this movie just like last one. Secret of the Ooze was the lowest of the low the franchise has ever gotten imo. No fighting? No weapons. Just dancing, talking and cheesy jokes. Ew lame and dull. Even TMNT3 and 2k7 were better.

[CyberCubed]

Safe to say there will be fights in this movie just like last one. Secret of the Ooze was the lowest of the low the franchise has ever gotten imo. No fighting? No weapons. Just dancing, talking and cheesy jokes. Ew lame and dull. Even TMNT3 and 2k7 were better.

There was plenty of actual fighting in the second movie. Try watching past the opening.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

You know, so much effort has been put into developing this worthless character, I say just turn him into Rocksteady and be done with it.

[Powder]

I'd rather him go the Dr. Falco route & let his madness turn him into Rat King.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I'd rather him go the Dr. Falco route & let his madness turn him into Rat King.

This'd work too. As much as I hate him, so much time and effort has been wasted on him, turn him into s classic character and make him useful!

[Huzzah]

Only if they do it to set him up for a future movie, because God knows there are enough new characters in this film, so Rat King wouldn't get any screen time worthwhile. Of course, I'd need them to redesign Splinter a bit because a Rat King would mean he'd be deeply involved and I couldn't stand seeing that ridiculous fu manchu and top knot an entire film.

[Shark_Blade]

I don't think Sacks will be in this movie at all. He won't be mentioned and people would assume he's in jail or something, much like Heath Ledger's Joker's fate in Dark Knight Rises.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

He won't be mentioned and people would assume he's in jail or something, much like Heath Ledger's Joker's fate in Dark Knight Rises.

That's different. Ledger died and out of respect for him it was decided to leave the Joker's fate undecided (the novelization mentions that no one knows where he is, though...).

Fichtner is alive and well, and signed on to do more movies. They probably don't have any use for his character now though that he's no longer the Shredder. Who knows what'll happen?

[TurtleMikey]

Sachs won't be in this film. At best, we'll get a line where they say he was arrested and his company was absorbed by TCRI, which is headed by Baxter Stockman. Thus, making Stockman the perfect replacement in Shredder's plans.

[Huzzah]

More and more this movie seems a soft reboot to the franchise.

[Galactus]

What they could have done to reedit the movie when they did their reshoots to salvage things would have been... include some scene with Sacks betraying Saki near the end, poisoning him, and stealing his armor. Sacks then goes fighting the Turtles at the end and gets killed, and at the very end we see Saki, recovered, putting on some more traditional Shredder armor, setting up the sequel.

This way, #1: Sacks gets a payoff and a sendoff with a nice little ribbon and #2: Shredder gets an excuse for sucking in the final battle (it isn't Saki in it).

I think there'd be a few flaws with this. Much as dislike the movie "Saki" didn't really suck in the final battle other than Megan getting the final blow, prior to that he would have won against the turtles easily.

Then again it could be that the turtles themselves sucked as fighters. I highly doubt it was intentional but Shredder saying how Splinter didn't teach them well is a great way to show that...after all they did learn from a book.

Perhaps a bigger problem with this idea is with even with a greatly skilled Saki he'd never win against poorly skilled yet super strong turtles in the 2014 movie without some kind of aid which of course highlights the huge flaw in this series. No one was really pleased with the designs but the defense just became a circular discussion; why do the turtles have to be so damn big? Because Shredder has jacked up super armor of course. So then why does Shredder have to have jacked up super armor? Because the the turtles are that damn big.

[Powder]

Sachs won't be in this film.

He's already been confirmed. Months ago.

[Wolfie65]

What's in store for a ridiculously (have a shot - it's a game....) rich guy in his...what?...late 50s? Well, lessee.....
Hair loss, hemorrhoids, arthritis, fading eyesight, some shrinkage, Viagra, 'sports' cars, cruises, the pursuit of much younger (and increasingly more skanky) women (who love him for his maturity and personality.....), and, of course, mo' & mo' money to buy less and less happiness with.
How does any of this fit into not 1 but several Turtle movies?
You tell me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What's in store for a ridiculously (have a shot - it's a game....) rich guy in his...what?...late 50s? Well, lessee.....
Hair loss, hemorrhoids, arthritis, fading eyesight, some shrinkage, Viagra, 'sports' cars, cruises, the pursuit of much younger (and increasingly more skanky) women (who love him for his maturity and personality.....), and, of course, mo' & mo' money to buy less and less happiness with.
How does any of this fit into not 1 but several Turtle movies?
You tell me.

It's the latest crossover... think Wolf of Wall Street meets TMNT. It will be the movie to finally earn DiCaprio an Oscar.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I think the perfect final fate for Sachs is a scene in this move would be where April and Casey have to find him to get some information about Shredder, and they find him as a crazy homeless man living in the sewer and dressed in rags, with the rats as his only companions. Shredder abandoned him after the defeat in the first film, and now he's gone crazy and believes himself the 'rat king'. A fitting end for this poorly-conceived character.

[Powder]

That's what I've been saying for the last year. :tlol:

[Candy Kappa]

Nah, Sacks should get scot free thanks to his army of lawyers making it look like he was innocent and Shredder forced him into it. Sacks industrie are thriving thanks to a campaign where they are working to fix the problems the Stomping Foot have casued in New York, giving Sacks more work contracts, and he gets rich... richer, like filthy rich.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

i believe his goal was "Stupid" rich

[Candy Kappa]

right, well. Now that he's filthy rich, he'll need a new sceme to become stupid rich. :P

[Powder]

Well there's certainly plenty of stupid going around in that board room.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I wouldn't be surprised if he's reduced to a small cameo, or just written out altogether! Sachs is now dead weight from the first film, who hasn't been seen in any of the recent filming, and serves no purpose in the sequel's plot. three movie deal or no, Fictner is outta this franchise!

[CyberCubed]

I was thinking that too. He may not have more than a 5 minute scene in the movie with Shredder killing him for his failure.

I'd love to see Shredder slash his throat with his talons, and leave Eric Sachs bleeding on the floor to death. I don't think I've ever hated a TMNT character more than Eric Sachs.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I was thinking that too. He may not have more than a 5 minute scene in the movie with Shredder killing him for his failure.

I'd love to see Shredder slash his throat with his talons, and leave Eric Sachs bleeding on the floor to death. I don't think I've ever hated a TMNT character more than Eric Sachs.

Dude, have you even HEARD of Venus de Milo!? :teek:

[IndigoErth]

Eric should totally become Venus to infiltrate the Turtles.

[Powder]

Dude, have you even HEARD of Venus de Milo!? :teek:

Venus > Sacks

Any day of the week.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Venus > Sacks

Any day of the week.

Personally I'd agree with you two on this. I'm surprised anyone else hates Sachs that much. :tlol:

[Powder]

I don't even hate him that much in general, moreso what he represents, the fact he was there in place of other characters, how poor the script was, etc.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I don't even hate him that much in general, moreso what he represents, the fact he was there in place of other characters, how poor the script was, etc.

Exactly. At least Venus was something new. And the original vision for Sachs would've been as well. But what we got... that was insulting.

[Coola Yagami]

He shouldn't be in the movies at all. It's a TMNT movie... why waste time with a non-TMNT character? You don't announce a new TMNT movie and think 'gee, I wonder how this version will adapt Walker and Winters?'. You don't watch Batman to see him face Ketchup Man or watch the Avengers so they can all face Camera Director Man. I don't want a TMNT movie wasting time with Stupid Rich Man. Leave him on the cutting room floor.

Yeah, sucks for Fitchner, but it was kinda their fault for bringing into this mess and playing some made-up character. You know... kinda like landing the role for Otis in a Superman movie. Don't expect to appear in many sequels.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

He shouldn't be in the movies at all. It's a TMNT movie... why waste time with a non-TMNT character? You don't announce a new TMNT movie and think 'gee, I wonder how this version will adapt Walker and Winters?'. You don't watch Batman to see him face Ketchup Man or watch the Avengers so they can all face Camera Director Man. I don't want a TMNT movie wasting time with Stupid Rich Man. Leave him on the cutting room floor.

Yeah, sucks for Fitchner, but it was kinda their fault for bringing into this mess and playing some made-up character. You know... kinda like landing the role for Otis in a Superman movie. Don't expect to appear in many sequels.

True, but a new character can become a TMNT character. I point to Dr. Victor Falco from the nick show, who became the Rat King. Sacks could do that, too.

[CyberCubed]

He shouldn't be in the movies at all. It's a TMNT movie... why waste time with a non-TMNT character? You don't announce a new TMNT movie and think 'gee, I wonder how this version will adapt Walker and Winters?'. You don't watch Batman to see him face Ketchup Man or watch the Avengers so they can all face Camera Director Man. I don't want a TMNT movie wasting time with Stupid Rich Man. Leave him on the cutting room floor.

Yeah, sucks for Fitchner, but it was kinda their fault for bringing into this mess and playing some made-up character. You know... kinda like landing the role for Otis in a Superman movie. Don't expect to appear in many sequels.

Well he is a TMNT character NOW, as much as we don't like it.

[Coola Yagami]

True, but a new character can become a TMNT character. I point to Dr. Victor Falco from the nick show, who became the Rat King. Sacks could do that, too.

True, true... but why? To cover up their mess ups? To prevent Fitchner from suing them for breach of contract? They could also involve Otis in experiement turned wrong and turn him into Bizzaro, but why? It's a waste of time.

[TurtleTitan97]

True, but a new character can become a TMNT character. I point to Dr. Victor Falco from the nick show, who became the Rat King. Sacks could do that, too.

Here's the thing tho. Falco was actually a GOOD villain, even before he became Rat King. Sachs wasn't.