Daredevil the Series on Netflix [Archive]

TheSkeletonMan939

04-12-2015, 04:02 PM

Saw episode one and I am hooked.

The tone is perfect. It's dark and gritty, but not in a manufactured way like Gotham. It feels natural.

Music is spot-on. Actors are wonderful. Cinematography and directing is great as well.

It's very interesting to see a show whose main character can't even see himself. I have to constantly remind myself that Murdock can at best use his other heightened senses to figure out what's going on, and can't simply comprehend his surroundings visually.

Many clues in TV shows are gathered by the characters visually, like a label or writing of some kind; can a blind man be as effective at taking down a crime empire? Guess I'll see.

I love it, and I've heard nothing but overwhelming praise for the show from others. Will definitely continue.

TurtleTitan97

04-12-2015, 04:43 PM

Just finished the last episode. This series was just all around spectacular. I seriously hope we get to see an MCU version of Bullseye and Elektra appear in the "Defenders" mini series if they decide not to do another season.

Krutch

04-13-2015, 05:26 AM

Watched it over the weekend. Good stuff all around!

Purse Grabbin Puke

04-13-2015, 10:25 AM

I just read the single shot hallway fight scene in episode 2 is confirmed to be a real single shot...maybe one of the greatest scenes in television history.

M.O.D.O.K.

04-13-2015, 08:31 PM

I seriously hope we get to see an MCU version of Bullseye and Elektra appear in the "Defenders" mini series if they decide not to do another season.

I love the nods they did of those two. Even Stilt-Man got some love. :D

But yes, this was a great series. Finished it all under two days. Good acting, superb cinematography and action scenes, sharp writing and characterization, etc. This is my favorite version of Wilson Fisk, and Charlie Cox got the movie's bad taste out of my mouth.

agliarept

04-13-2015, 08:34 PM

God that Hallway shot was everything i've ever wanted to see in a Superhero...hell...any action series ever. so well done

Jester

04-13-2015, 08:35 PM

I loved the sly reference to the time way back when Matt pretended to be his own twin Mike with Night Nurse calling him Mike in her debut episode.

Redeemer

04-13-2015, 08:39 PM

I watched the first three episodes last night. Really enjoyed it, overall pretty good.

Redeemer

04-13-2015, 08:55 PM

I love how my country don't have Netflix.

Where the Hell do you live????? :lol:

DarthRaphael

04-14-2015, 01:15 PM

I just finished episode 5. Real good so far. The fight scenes are epic.

Andrew NDB

04-14-2015, 01:49 PM

I'm definitely digging it and am about 5 episodes in. This is pretty much awesome.

Turtle-X

04-14-2015, 03:42 PM

i'm on ep 10. trying not to burn through these episodes so fast. i really like it so far. some really fantastic fights. this series really puts Agents of SHIELD to shame.

plastroncafe

04-14-2015, 03:43 PM

I'm only two episodes in, and I'm loving this show.
It hits just the right balance between Slice of Life and Vigilante/Superhero for me. I can't wait to see the rest of it, and am on HIGH ALERT for spoilers.

Cure

04-14-2015, 04:53 PM

So what's up with Stick and this upcoming war or whatever? Is that a thing in the comics?

TurtleTitan97

04-14-2015, 06:44 PM

So what's up with Stick and this upcoming war or whatever? Is that a thing in the comics?

It is. In the comics Stick is the leader of the Chaste, a rival to the ninja clan known as "The Hand".

Krutch

04-15-2015, 08:28 AM

Purse Grabbin Puke

04-15-2015, 08:33 AM

Haven't really heard the general consensus regarding...

...his costume that he gets in the final episode, but I really wasn't a fan. It looked like a cross between Ant-Man and Captain America. And I know Marvel is kind of going for a universal look for their heroes it just looked kind of silly. Am I alone in thinking this?

I think this is the only downside to the show. The good thing is they can hear the backlash and fix it. I appreciate the effort of realism though, and I can live with it. The thing is, he was SO much cooler looking as "Black Mask" so it just might need some getting used to.

Autbot_Benz

04-15-2015, 01:44 PM

I finished Daredevil last night and I have to say its the best Comic show right now. I really really hope Marvel grants it a Second Season. If that boring crap Agents of Shield can get a second season and a spinoff series, Daredevil can get a second season.

Candy Kappa

04-15-2015, 02:12 PM

Just saw the first episode, pretty nifty stuff, it's so great to see fight scenes not filmed in Hollywood trope shaky cam style

Andrew NDB

04-15-2015, 02:44 PM

People expecting an immediate or close to immediate 2nd season aren't really paying attention to what Marvel's game plan currently is. The idea is a season of Daredevil, a season of AKA Jessica Jones, a season of Iron Fist, a season of Luke Cage, and then they all team up together in a season of "The Defenders." So barring some major game changing plans, if there will be a second season of Daredevil, it wouldn't be until after that... and that's quite some ways away.

I really hope we see a Daredevil cameo in Age of Ultron, smacking around some Ultron robots at least.

Purse Grabbin Puke

04-15-2015, 03:58 PM

Just saw the first episode, pretty nifty stuff, it's so great to see fight scenes not filmed in Hollywood trope shaky cam style

Wait until you see the end of episode 2... one word - "Amazing".

People expecting an immediate or close to immediate 2nd season aren't really paying attention to what Marvel's game plan currently is. The idea is a season of Daredevil, a season of AKA Jessica Jones, a season of Iron Fist, a season of Luke Cage, and then they all team up together in a season of "The Defenders." So barring some major game changing plans, if there will be a second season of Daredevil, it wouldn't be until after that... and that's quite some ways away.

I really hope we see a Daredevil cameo in Age of Ultron, smacking around some Ultron robots at least.

Yes, I think I saw that "The Defenders" is in pre production already. I can't wait for the Luke Cage show.

Andrew NDB

04-15-2015, 04:37 PM

Mona_Lisa

04-15-2015, 04:44 PM

I just finished binge watching this show on Netflix...WOW! I think I enjoyed it more than any other Marvel production I've seen so far.

Charlie Cox, who was incredible as Owen on Boardwalk Empire is absolutely incredible as Matt Murdock.

Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk is simply amazing.

The show is brutally violent, and there are incredible fight scenes...

I have been watching it too. I think it is awesome... But I have to admit they kept talking about the city being destroyed, and I'm like what? when? why ????? and then I'm like O, (head slap) Avengers... lol!:D

Candy Kappa

04-16-2015, 01:00 AM

I have been watching it too. I think it is awesome... But I have to admit they kept talking about the city being destroyed, and I'm like what? when? why ????? and then I'm like O, (head slap) Avengers... lol!:D

Oh yeah, I was rather (pleasantly) surprised that they references Avengers, and that we are seeing the after effects and the repercussions of the destruction of a good portion of New York. Soemthing we rarely experience in comic books or movies, a city usually is just a huge set piece to destroy without thinking about the people living there.

JakeSully

04-17-2015, 04:39 AM

Great show so far and the best Marvel show so far.

Isn't it nice to see Marvel aim at the adult market for once for a TV show?

Raph's Girl

04-21-2015, 07:08 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAND It's official! Daredevil has been renewed for a 2nd season!!!!!!!! :D

http://marvel.com/news/tv/24478/netflix_orders_a_second_season_of_marvels_daredevi l

TurtleTitan97

04-21-2015, 07:10 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAND It's official! Daredevil has been renewed for a 2nd season!!!!!!!! :D

http://marvel.com/news/tv/24478/netflix_orders_a_second_season_of_marvels_daredevi l

Awesome news to hear!!!

Autbot_Benz

04-21-2015, 08:11 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAND It's official! Daredevil has been renewed for a 2nd season!!!!!!!! :D

http://marvel.com/news/tv/24478/netflix_orders_a_second_season_of_marvels_daredevi l

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JakeSully

04-26-2015, 01:41 AM

Awesome man.

And who can't wait to see The Punisher on the show?

Revan

04-26-2015, 07:33 AM

Watched the entire first season. Loved it. Acting was great and I liked how they didn't rush the character development. I suppose that is the advantage to doing this as a series rather than a movie. They can take their time so the audience can get to know the characters over time.

One thing. My knowledge of Daredevil stems almost exclusively from the Ben Affleck movie in which he had that radar sense from sounds. That ability doesn't seem to be as strong in this Netflix series which I like. This series is a bit more grounded in reality. That Ben Affleck movie Daredevil was almost invincible... I like how the Netflix version is vulnerable. He takes a lot of beatings but keeps getting up. And his "radar" ability isn't so overpowering.

Great series. Excited for season 2.

Warhorse

04-26-2015, 12:00 PM

I didn't even want to mention it, but imagining a TMNT live action TV show in the vein of "Daredevil"...

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/438597_o.gif

It will never, ever happen, though.

Agree! Considering Daredevil's place in TMNT's history. Heck, I've seen some people fantasizing that the same company that was transporting the radioactive substance that Matty got hit with is also the same company that was transporting the ooze that the TMNT got mutated with.

If only the two franchise were owed by the same property, it could make for one badass crossover.

Thanks to this show and the tone set by the first movie in 1990, the thought of potential for the growth of the TMNT brand being squished by the effing soccer moms, has me :x

But yeah, loved this freaking show. One of my customers was bragging to me how great it was, him knowing I'm a pretty big fan of the comic book adaptions, so gave it a shot, and it had me hooked within the first 5 minutes. Charlie Cox/Matt Murdoch just might challenge Chris Evans/Steve Rogers as my favorite actor/character team of the MCU.

MikeandRaph87

04-26-2015, 12:25 PM

Do we have release dates set yet for the others? Will the tone be similar to Daredevil?
Also,how long is it generally between seasons of Netflix shows?

Warhorse

04-26-2015, 01:17 PM

Do we have release dates set yet for the others? Will the tone be similar to Daredevil?
Also,how long is it generally between seasons of Netflix shows?

All I know is that I read that season 2 for Daredevil will be out in 2016.

Cure

04-26-2015, 01:29 PM

Do we have release dates set yet for the others? Will the tone be similar to Daredevil?
Also,how long is it generally between seasons of Netflix shows?

Seasons of Orange is the New Black and House of Cards are usually a year apart.

Autbot_Benz

04-26-2015, 01:34 PM

I heard AKA Jessica Jones might be out at the end of the year if not next year.

NinjaPug

04-26-2015, 01:47 PM

Yeah, every Marvel press release for AKA Jessica Jones says it'll be out in 2015.

MikeandRaph87

04-26-2015, 01:55 PM

Its nearly done filming the 13 episode order. Filming started around February 8th. Information also says that Luke Cage is already cast and is a reoccurring character in AKA Jessica Jones which will lead into his own series. Iron Fist has yet to be cast. It would be great to be out before August so I can watch it when I have more free time.

snake

04-26-2015, 01:58 PM

I liked it. Very in tone and it really felt like an unexplored area of the MCU.

CaliperCat

05-11-2015, 08:33 PM

I just finished the first season: Waiting until next year for the second season is going to feel like eternity! I'm very impressed with the casting and plot movement, especially with the thought they put into Kingpin/Fisk. As terrible of a person as he is, the series actually made me feel sympathetic towards him, which isn't common with any super villain. My favorite episodes are the ones with flashbacks in them: The execution is just so well done, as it's something that tends to be clunky when attempted elsewhere.

Foggy is perfect comedic relief in what is otherwise a very dark, violent show. Avocados will never be the same again. :lol:

Warhorse

05-12-2015, 10:04 PM

Groovy

05-16-2015, 06:22 PM

Incredibly awesome series, best thing Marvel has ever produced outside of comics I'd say. Bout time this franchise got some justice (pun intended)

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

05-17-2015, 01:19 PM

It feels like it was produced by DC, not Marvel. Dark, deep and thematic, layers, a credible villain...

Bring on Season Two.

Groovy

05-17-2015, 06:53 PM

It feels like it was produced by DC, not Marvel. Dark, deep and thematic, layers, a credible villain...

Bring on Season Two.
Frank Miller did write both Daredevil and then Batman back in the 80s, defining all that gritty crime stuff. (And inspiring Ninja Turtles of course, oddly enough. :tsmile:)

NinjaPug

05-26-2015, 08:12 PM

Looks like we might be getting Elektra in Season 2

http://comicbook.com/2015/05/26/possible-elketra-auditions-for-season-2-of-netflixs-daredevil/

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

05-26-2015, 08:14 PM

Looks like we might be getting Elektra in Season 2

http://comicbook.com/2015/05/26/possible-elketra-auditions-for-season-2-of-netflixs-daredevil/

Excellent... I'm also really looking forward to more from Karen Page. We need to know her secrets... :tgrin:

MikeandRaph87

05-26-2015, 08:39 PM

Excellent... I'm also really looking forward to more from Karen Page. We need to know her secrets... :tgrin:

I am nervous of what the show runner will do after Miller turned her into a drug addicted porn star who revealed Daredevil's secret identity for more drugs despite being his arguable true love. Something non-comic inspired would be better.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

05-26-2015, 08:59 PM

I am nervous of what the show runner will do after Miller turned her into a drug addicted porn star who revealed Daredevil's secret identity for more drugs despite being his arguable true love. Something non-comic inspired would be better.

Oh, Frank Miller... in an alternate reality, you actually understand women and write relatable non-offensive female characters. Just not in MY reality.

And seeing how Marvel Studios is still running things, I don't think we have to worry about that.

NinjaPug

05-26-2015, 09:00 PM

I am nervous of what the show runner will do after Miller turned her into a drug addicted porn star who revealed Daredevil's secret identity for more drugs despite being his arguable true love. Something non-comic inspired would be better.

It's way too soon to do the Born Again storyline. If they do go that route, I hope Foggy is the one who gives him up instead of Karen.

MikeandRaph87

05-26-2015, 10:15 PM

It's way too soon to do the Born Again storyline. If they do go that route, I hope Foggy is the one who gives him up instead of Karen.

Going by the direction of this series it would seem more likely though does it have to happen at all?

TurtleTitan97

05-26-2015, 10:23 PM

Going by the direction of this series it would seem more likely though does it have to happen at all?

It should. Born Again is a great DD story, back when Miller was at the top of his game. It would be a crime not to do an adaptation of it considering how much of Miller's comics are heavily influencing this show.

TurtleTitan97

06-09-2015, 03:17 PM

Jon Bernthal has been casted as the Punisher!!!:o

http://marvel.com/news/tv/24699/jon_bernthal_cast_as_frank_castle_in_the_netflix_o riginal_series_marvels_daredevil

plastroncafe

06-09-2015, 03:23 PM

Just finished the series last night, and wow. Everything from the fight choreography, to the cinematography, to the acting. Just so well done, all of it.

They even lampshaded everything that needed to be lampshaded.
Bring on season 2!

(And here's to hoping this bodes well for the other Netflix original Marvel shows on the way.)

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

06-09-2015, 03:27 PM

Candy Kappa

06-09-2015, 03:32 PM

Purse Grabbin Puke

06-09-2015, 04:51 PM

Jon Bernthal has been casted as the Punisher!!!:o

http://marvel.com/news/tv/24699/jon_bernthal_cast_as_frank_castle_in_the_netflix_o riginal_series_marvels_daredevil

I just saw this news, and uncontrollably yelled "OH MY GOD YEEEEEEEES!" I didn't even think of him for this role, and he will be amazing. And this better mean it's being spun off to his own show.

NinjaPug

06-09-2015, 05:33 PM

Jon Bernthal has been casted as the Punisher!!!:o

http://marvel.com/news/tv/24699/jon_bernthal_cast_as_frank_castle_in_the_netflix_o riginal_series_marvels_daredevil

Holy crap. This is perfect casting. Plus it's awesome that they're bringing Punisher into the mix to begin with.

TheBlueTurtle1

06-10-2015, 01:35 AM

Really could casting, Shane from Walking dead, Great choice!

MsMarvelDuckie

06-10-2015, 01:47 AM

I didn't know who he was until you mentioned Shane. Now- yes. Perfect choice, now that I think about it.

MikeandRaph87

06-12-2015, 08:44 PM

Was it wise to kill off Ben Urich this early in the series especially since his comic book counterpart is still ticking.

plastroncafe

06-12-2015, 08:53 PM

Yeah, I thought that was an interesting choice as well.
Certainly surprised the heck out of me, that's for damn sure.

Curious to see where this goes...

MikeandRaph87

06-13-2015, 08:17 PM

Yeah, I thought that was an interesting choice as well.
Certainly surprised the heck out of me, that's for damn sure.

Curious to see where this goes...

Wesley was not a surprise but the way he did was. The Owl's dad Leland Owlsley I get as well as it sets up a rival crime boss with a grudge so I get that as well.

I am concerned with the overkill of costumed heroics with Punisher, Elektra, Bullseye, and Mysterio if not others showing up all at the same time considering the slow pace that worked well with the first season. I am most looking forward to Mysterio as he is the villain I most wanted to see show up in a Spider-Man film next. It also showcases the shared universe of Marvel with his appearance.

MikeandRaph87

07-06-2015, 03:16 PM

This is what I like about Netflix' Daredevil the most, the choreographed fight scenes are fantastic.
http://collider.com/daredevil-series-5-best-fight-scenes-ranked/

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

07-06-2015, 03:23 PM

Wesley was not a surprise but the way he did was. The Owl's dad Leland Owlsley I get as well as it sets up a rival crime boss with a grudge so I get that as well.

I am concerned with the overkill of costumed heroics with Punisher, Elektra, Bullseye, and Mysterio if not others showing up all at the same time considering the slow pace that worked well with the first season. I am most looking forward to Mysterio as he is the villain I most wanted to see show up in a Spider-Man film next. It also showcases the shared universe of Marvel with his appearance.

Whoa whoa whoa... where you getting Mysterio from?

MikeandRaph87

07-06-2015, 03:43 PM

Whoa whoa whoa... where you getting Mysterio from?
This interview from a couple of weeks back.
http://screencrush.com/daredevil-season-2-jason-statham-bullseye-mysterio/

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

07-06-2015, 03:47 PM

This interview from a couple of weeks back.
http://screencrush.com/daredevil-season-2-jason-statham-bullseye-mysterio/

Huh. Interesting rumor. But isn't Mysterio much more of a Spidey villain? I mean, a guy who casts illusions isn't going to be much of a threat to a blind guy:

http://textsfromsuperheroes.com/image/115808840067

Candy Kappa

07-06-2015, 03:56 PM

Huh. Interesting rumor. But isn't Mysterio much more of a Spidey villain? I mean, a guy who casts illusions isn't going to be much of a threat to a blind guy:

http://textsfromsuperheroes.com/image/115808840067

Maybe they'll adapt the Guardian Devil storyline?

MikeandRaph87

07-06-2015, 04:06 PM

Quintin Beck was thought to be dying of a brain tumor so he wanted to pull one last huge crime and get revenge. For some reason I am unaware of Spider-Man was out of town so he decided to enact his final act of revenge against Daredevil in Spider-Man's stead. In the end Mysterio committed suicide rather than be caught a final time in front of Daredevil. It was later revealed to be a ruse to escape and Quintin like most comic book characters got better after a few years passed.

Candy Kappa

07-07-2015, 02:51 AM

Mysterio thought it would be better with a second-rate villain and a second-rate hero duking it out since Spider-man had become a A-list hero

Autbot_Benz

07-07-2015, 05:09 PM

http://i57.tinypic.com/9fwk5x.png

Elektra is coming

Elodie Yung (“G.I. Joe: Retaliation,” “District 13: Ultimatum”) joins the next season of “Marvel’s Daredevil,” streaming only on Netflix in 2016!

Yung will play Elektra, a mysterious woman from Matt Murdock’s past whose dangerous and exotic ways may be more than he can handle. The first season of “Marvel’s Daredevil” made reference to Elektra, but now Yung will portray one of Daredevil's fan-favorite characters. Elektra marks the most recent major addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as she will join Jon Bernthal as Frank Castle in the upcoming season of the Netflix Original Series “Marvel’s Daredevil.”

“After a worldwide search, we found in Elodie the perfect actress to embody both Elektra’s impressive and deadly physicality, as well as her psychological complexity,” said Executive Producer and Head of Marvel Television, Jeph Loeb. “Paired with Charlie as Matt Murdock, the two will bring one of the most beloved and tumultuous comic book relationships to life with all the accompanying sparks and spectacular action sequences the show is known for.”

Elodie Yung cast as Elektra in Marvel's Daredevil (photo courtesy of Getty Images)
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“Marvel's Daredevil” is Executive Produced by Doug Petrie (“American Horror Story,” “Buffy The Vampire Slayer”), Marco Ramirez (“Marvel’s Daredevil,” “DaVinci’s Demons”) and Drew Goddard ("Cabin in the Woods," "Lost"), along with Marvel TV's Jeph Loeb ("Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.," "Marvel’s Jessica Jones.”)

"Marvel's Daredevil" is produced by Marvel Television in association with ABC Studios. Season one of “Marvel’s Daredevil” is now streaming on Netflix.

Blinded as a young boy but imbued with extraordinary senses, Matt Murdock (Charlie Cox) fights against injustice by day as a lawyer, and by night as the Super Hero “Daredevil” in modern day Hell's Kitchen, New York City. "Marvel's Daredevil" stars Charlie Cox, Deborah Ann Woll, Elden Henson, Jon Bernthal, and Rosario Dawson.

For more information on "Marvel's Daredevil," and the other exciting new Marvel Television series coming to Netflix, stay tuned to Marvel.com or visit Netflix.com/daredevil, follow @Daredevil on Twitter, and like “Marvel’s Daredevil” on Facebook.

More on Marvel.com: http://marvel.com/news/tv/24840/elodie_yung_cast_as_elektra_in_the_netflix_origina l_series_marvels_daredevil#ixzz3fFKiOwjo

Raph's Girl

07-07-2015, 05:33 PM

A French actress playing a Greek character. That's gonna be interesting to see how well Elektra is portrayed...

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

07-07-2015, 08:20 PM

ToTheNines

07-07-2015, 08:23 PM

Good casting. Perhaps this version will be half Greek and half Japanese, giving her family a closer tie to The Hand.

MikeandRaph87

07-07-2015, 08:23 PM

Sweet. Cannot wait... Elektra is awesome, and I can't wait to get her and Bullseye in the mix.

I wonder if they will appear to kill each other in the second season finale.

TurtleTitan97

07-10-2015, 09:36 PM

Jon Bernthal on the set: https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/619648185519112192/photo/1

MikeandRaph87

08-20-2015, 01:11 PM

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-20-2015, 01:50 PM

One of the very few things that were given a negative reaction was Daredevil's costume. Apparently, there is an attempt to fix that.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/netflix-teases-new-costume-for-daredevil-season-2

I know I personally disliked his red costume. Looked kinda stupid to me. I probably wouldn't noticed if I hadn't spent the previous 11 hours watching him in that absolutely BADASS black suit. Man I loved that.

MikeandRaph87

08-20-2015, 01:56 PM

I know I personally disliked his red costume. Looked kinda stupid to me. I probably wouldn't noticed if I hadn't spent the previous 11 hours watching him in that absolutely BADASS black suit. Man I loved that.

Would he be Daredevil or The Man In The Mask though? I was waiting for the costume after the first episode and honestly thought it was dragged out a bit too much. Did Daredevil wear something like that before his yellow costume? Batman retroactively did for the first few weeks out playing vigilante.

plastroncafe

08-20-2015, 01:56 PM

What looks cool on the page very seldom looks cool in person, and the Red Suit from the end of Dare Devil is further support to that.

Candy Kappa

08-20-2015, 01:57 PM

I thought the red suit was pretty cool looking, we spent way too long seeing the "year one" make-shift outfit. Don't really see a need to fix it up for season 2.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-20-2015, 02:17 PM

Would he be Daredevil or The Man In The Mask though? I was waiting for the costume after the first episode and honestly thought it was dragged out a bit too much. Did Daredevil wear something like that before his yellow costume? Batman retroactively did for the first few weeks out playing vigilante.

I'll give you that. I prefer that black suit, but it isn't very Daredevil-ish.

What looks cool on the page very seldom looks cool in person, and the Red Suit from the end of Dare Devil is further support to that.

Agreed.

TurtleTitan97

08-20-2015, 03:22 PM

Would he be Daredevil or The Man In The Mask though? I was waiting for the costume after the first episode and honestly thought it was dragged out a bit too much. Did Daredevil wear something like that before his yellow costume? Batman retroactively did for the first few weeks out playing vigilante.

The black suit he wore in the show was based off an early costume he wore from "The Man without Fear" mini series by Frank Miller

JakeSully

08-21-2015, 10:38 AM

Bring on the Punisher, i can't wait to see him on the show.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 10:48 AM

Reading this thread, I have an overwhelming urge to listen to Rob Zombie and Evanescence. :tlol:

MikeandRaph87

08-21-2015, 11:15 AM

Reading this thread, I have an overwhelming urge to listen to Rob Zombie and Evanescence. :tlol:

Not familiar with Rob Zombie, but I can see Evanscence's My Immortal playing at Ben's funeral.

Sound of Silence from Simon and Garfunkel and I am sure REM's Everybody Hurts and Losing My Religion would fit into it somewhere as well.

Why don't you come up with a album list for the season? What would work best, huh?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 11:37 AM

Not familiar with Rob Zombie, but I can see Evanscence's My Immortal playing at Ben's funeral.

Sound of Silence from Simon and Garfunkel and I am sure REM's Everybody Hurts and Losing My Religion would fit into it somewhere as well.

Why don't you come up with a album list for the season? What would work best, huh?

Both Rob Zombie and Evanescence featured on the Fox Daredevil movie. Pretty good soundtrack, just a terrible movie compared to the Netflix series.

MikeandRaph87

08-21-2015, 11:51 AM

Both Rob Zombie and Evanescence featured on the Fox Daredevil movie. Pretty good soundtrack, just a terrible movie compared to the Netflix series.

I have never seen it. Mainly because I will see any TMNT, Batman, and Spider-Man film and I am selective which superhero films I see other than the above three franchises. Besides no disrespect to Michael Clark Duncan it just did not seem like Kingpin to me. I am actually watching Daredevil for Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin.

Evanescence has this unique depressing yet pop sound. It just works somehow. The group is definitely perfect for the traditional darker Daredevil. I thought you would have fun coming up with tracks to match Netflix's Daredevil.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 12:08 PM

I have never seen it. Mainly because I will see any TMNT, Batman, and Spider-Man film and I am selective which superhero films I see other than the above three franchises. Besides no disrespect to Michael Clark Duncan it just did not seem like Kingpin to me. I am actually watching Daredevil for Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin.

Evanescence has this unique depressing yet pop sound. It just works somehow. The group is definitely perfect for the traditional darker Daredevil. I thought you would have fun coming up with tracks to match Netflix's Daredevil.

The film was okay, but I saw the director's cut which most people admit is actually decent. Not great or even good, but passable.

Honestly, except for a few movies, I'm much more about the film score than the soundtrack. Far too often, having lyrical songs in a film underlying scenes just takes me out of the film a little bit. But the Rob Zombie song in Daredevil actually went really well with the fight sequence. Very sarcastic: "Perfect Day" while Elektra's dad is getting slaughtered by Bullseye.

MikeandRaph87

08-21-2015, 12:28 PM

The film was okay, but I saw the director's cut which most people admit is actually decent. Not great or even good, but passable.

Honestly, except for a few movies, I'm much more about the film score than the soundtrack. Far too often, having lyrical songs in a film underlying scenes just takes me out of the film a little bit. But the Rob Zombie song in Daredevil actually went really well with the fight sequence. Very sarcastic: "Perfect Day" while Elektra's dad is getting slaughtered by Bullseye.

I completely understand. Two movies in my preferences have a better soundtrack than script. Rocky 4, I love the soundtrack and workout to it. The movie is Cold War propaganda and my favorite character is used as fallen soldier instead of being laid up in the hospital so I don't really like the movie itself. There is also The Graduate, the movie either bores me or creeps me out until the terrific final ten minutes where it right itself, but the Simon and Garfunkel soundtrack? Amazing and better than the actual film. Some movies are forgettable but produce songs much more memorable like City of Angels is forgettable but Goo Good Dolls' signature song Iris is great and plays in regular rotation on the radio. Call Me by Blondie from American Gigolo, a movie I would not know if it was not known for this film which seems bigger than the film as time passed as another example. I am getting off topic, sorry. :oops:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 12:33 PM

And it's been said to death already, but Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin was amazing. His "Good Samaritan" speech is just chilling.

If only Marvel had other multidimensional villains... :tsad:

MikeandRaph87

08-21-2015, 12:41 PM

And it's been said to death already, but Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin was amazing. His "Good Samaritan" speech is just chilling.

If only Marvel had other multidimensional villains... :tsad:

That is a part of why I like Eddie Brock. He wants revenge and has a twisted code of justice as he attempts to obtain it. Norman Osborn has a similar approach to Kingpin and really would be repetitive unless he is set up as a business rival. Honestly though, if there is any Marvel villain I could never see again it would be The Green Goblin after the story being told and Webb dragging it through the mud so soon afterwards. Loki comes to mind in being multidimensional. Multidimensional villains, you know there should be a deal made with Sam Raimi to create that for Marvel's films. He took the mold of a comic villain and added so much more that may not have been the way the character was portrayed in the comic, but it made since in context of the film's story. I cannot think of anyone else who did that better than Raimi. Look at how far off Doc Ock was form his comic book self yet it is one of the best superhero films ever made!

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 12:52 PM

That is a part of why I like Eddie Brock. He wants revenge and has a twisted code of justice as he attempts to obtain it. Norman Osborn has a similar approach to Kingpin and really would be repetitive unless he is set up as a business rival. Honestly though, if there is any Marvel villain I could never see again it would be The Green Goblin after the story being told and Webb dragging it through the mud so soon afterwards. Loki comes to mind in being multidimensional. Multidimensional villains, you know there should be a deal made with Sam Raimi to create that for Marvel's films. He took the mold of a comic villain and added so much more that may not have been the way the character was portrayed in the comic, but it made since in context of the film's story. I cannot think of anyone else who did that better than Raimi. Look at how far off Doc Ock was form his comic book self yet it is one of the best superhero films ever made!

I haven't seen any of the Spiderman films yet, but casting DaFoe for Osborne... DaFoe is amazing.

I'd say Loki is only multidimensional because Tom Hiddleston is such a good actor. He's honestly not written that well, mainly because no MCU villain in a film has yet been written well. My opinion, anyway.

I'd say Christopher Nolan did an amazing job with his villains: every single one of them. I will even defend Talia and Bane against the haters.

In other news, still no news on a Daredevil Season 1 DVD release... by now, I'm assuming it'll release a month or two before Season 2 airs in April. Cannot wait... watching YouTube clips makes me want to marathon it again. :tlol:

MikeandRaph87

08-21-2015, 01:05 PM

I haven't seen any of the Spiderman films yet, but casting DaFoe for Osborne... DaFoe is amazing.

I'd say Loki is only multidimensional because Tom Hiddleston is such a good actor. He's honestly not written that well, mainly because no MCU villain in a film has yet been written well. My opinion, anyway.

I'd say Christopher Nolan did an amazing job with his villains: every single one of them. I will even defend Talia and Bane against the haters.

In other news, still no news on a Daredevil Season 1 DVD release... by now, I'm assuming it'll release a month or two before Season 2 airs in April. Cannot wait... watching YouTube clips makes me want to marathon it again. :tlol:

Can you defend wasting Two Face?

As for the DVD release I was hoping it would be out by Christmas. I would like to pick it up myself.

Come to think of it Magneto is multidimensional, though I never have seen Ian McKellan's Magneto.

There are multidimensional villains out there its just the villains have yet to be portrayed on screen. Sinestro is multidimensional, but he was going shine that quality through in the sequel that never happened. Captain Cold is multidimensional, but he has yet to appear on the big screen. I bet Suicide Squad would do a good job of showcasing that given the premise and build for it. As shown with Doc Ock and Sandman in particular, while the actual characters are not multidimensional their portrayal in the films are so a villain can be made that way if written that way and the actor is able to tap that form the script.

You have got to see the first three Spider-Man films! They are much more amazing then Amazing Spider-Man. Great acting, great scripts, a little of everything in it. Studio meddling hurt the third one where the director wanted Sandman and the studio and fans wanted Venom and it got messy and Venom got rushed instead of held off for a fourth. Still though I urge you to buy the trilogy blindly and you will be glad you did!

I truly do not know Daredevil's foes beyond Bullseye and Stiltman so I will see them from scratch which gives me a unique perspective. I do wonder what dimensions can be added as we start getting different costumed criminals in each episode added with The Punisher and the side story of the season continuing the kill or no kill policy debate from the first season.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 01:17 PM

Can you defend wasting Two Face?

Yes. The character arc of Harvey Dent would have been wasted thematically had he survived. The whole concept of "die a hero, live long enough to see yourself become the villain" was the core of The Dark Knight and would have completely changed the ending. I think Harvey dying a villain and Bruce willingly taking on the public blame is a much more powerful ending than just seeing Harvey become a villain.

Come to think of it Magneto is multidimensional, though I never have seen Ian McKellan's Magneto.

You should totally watch the original XMen trilogy. 1 and 3 are infuriating at times, X2 is great, but McKellan's Magneto and Romjin's Mystique (plus Cox's Stryker) make the movies.

And Magneto (Fassbender and McKellan) doesn't count as a MCU villain, unfortunately... he is absolutely multidimensional. General Stryker and Sabretooth were also really good villians in the X-Men movies, although not really multidimensional. But then, the Joker isn't multidimensional but he was an amazing villain.

The problem with MCU villains is that they are both one-dimensional and (alas) mostly boring.

You have got to see the first three Spider-Man films! They are much more amazing then Amazing Spider-Man. Great acting, great scripts, a little of everything in it. Studio meddling hurt the third one where the director wanted Sandman and the studio and fans wanted Venom and it got messy and Venom got rushed instead of held off for a fourth. Still though I urge you to buy the trilogy blindly and you will be glad you did!

The problem is none of my friends who watch TV or movies with me are Spiderman fans and my wife is absolutely uninterested in him as well. I'm not interested enough to watch them on my own, so I'm basically hoping Civil War's portrayal will be enticing enough to give me enough motivation to watch the Raimi trilogy. :tlol:

I truly do not know Daredevil's foes beyond Bullseye and Stiltman so I will see them from scratch which gives me a unique perspective. I do wonder what dimensions can be added as we start getting different costumed criminals in each episode added with The Punisher and the side story of the season continuing the kill or no kill policy debate from the first season.

I'm only familiar with Kingpin, Elektra, and Bullseye. Punisher I'm also somewhat familiar with; I just didn't know he was a Daredevil villain. Very excited! :tcool:

MikeandRaph87

08-21-2015, 01:26 PM

Yes. The character arc of Harvey Dent would have been wasted thematically had he survived. The whole concept of "die a hero, live long enough to see yourself become the villain" was the core of The Dark Knight and would have completely changed the ending. I think Harvey dying a villain and Bruce willingly taking on the public blame is a much more powerful ending than just seeing Harvey become a villain.

You should totally watch the original XMen trilogy. 1 and 3 are infuriating at times, X2 is great, but McKellan's Magneto and Romjin's Mystique (plus Cox's Stryker) make the movies.

And Magneto (Fassbender and McKellan) doesn't count as a MCU villain, unfortunately... he is absolutely multidimensional. General Stryker and Sabretooth were also really good villians in the X-Men movies, although not really multidimensional. But then, the Joker isn't multidimensional but he was an amazing villain.

The problem with MCU villains is that they are both one-dimensional and (alas) mostly boring.

The problem is none of my friends who watch TV or movies with me are Spiderman fans and my wife is absolutely uninterested in him as well. I'm not interested enough to watch them on my own, so I'm basically hoping Civil War's portrayal will be enticing enough to give me enough motivation to watch the Raimi trilogy. :tlol:

I'm only familiar with Kingpin, Elektra, and Bullseye. Punisher I'm also somewhat familiar with; I just didn't know he was a Daredevil villain. Very excited! :tcool:

We have to agree to disagree about Two Face. He was not given enough screen time as Two Face. Just for two scenes worth and that was it. Disappointing. All that build and not much pay off. Similar to how Venom was done. One thing I always liked about Two Face was he was married yet throwing in this triangle with Bruce and Rachel may add to this particular take I missed the angle from the comics.

The Punisher is not Daredevil's enemy. They are on opposite ends of the philosophical debate over whether one should kill the enemy and if so is just as bad as one they are attempting to stop. Matt realized this in 3pisode 9 when he went after Kingpin for the sole reason to kill him. He changed his mind after the encounter and talk with Foggy. Some heroes have no problem with killing(Wolverine, Wonder Woman) and while others do (Batman, Spider-Man, Superman). So there will be conflict but not because of The Punisher being a villain, he is an anti-hero. In the comics Punisher debuted in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man#129 and like Kingpin after a few appearances tended to find his story mesh more with Daredevil.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 01:32 PM

We have to agree to disagree about Two Face. He was not given enough screen time as Two Face. Just for two scenes worth and that was it. Disappointing. All that build and not much pay off. Similar to how Venom was done. One thing I always liked about Two Face was he was married yet throwing in this triangle with Bruce and Rachel may add to this particular take I missed the angle from the comics.

The Punisher is not Daredevil's enemy. They are on opposite ends of the philosophical debate over whether one should kill the enemy and if so is just as bad as one they are attempting to stop. Matt realized this in 3pisode 9 when he went after Kingpin for the sole reason to kill him. He changed his mind after the encounter and talk with Foggy. Some heroes have no problem with killing(Wolverine, Wonder Woman) and while others do (Batman, Spider-Man, Superman). So there will be conflict but not because of The Punisher being a villain, he is an anti-hero. In the comics Punisher debuted in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man#129 and like Kingpin after a few appearances tended to find his story mesh more with Daredevil.

I'll give you that as a character, "TwoFace" was barely in the movie. It was all Harvey Dent. For me, that's okay... he never interested me with his gimmicks in the comics; only time he was cool to me was "The Long Halloween", "Hush", and "One Year Later." It was AWESOME the way Great White Shark drove him back to being TwoFace... and Batman was a d!ck for not trusting Harvey. :tgrumble:

I can't remember, but has it been confirmed or just rumored that Bullseye will be in Season 2?

The conflict of kill/no-kill is, for me, what makes me love Jason Todd as a character. I love seeing him fester hatred for Bruce allowing the Joker to live after killing him, because honestly, Jason is right. Joker should be killed. But this is comics, after all, and you can't kill off your rogues gallery... you'd eventually have nobody left but White Rabbit and the Tweedle Twins or other losers. :tlol:

MikeandRaph87

08-21-2015, 06:49 PM

I'll give you that as a character, "TwoFace" was barely in the movie. It was all Harvey Dent. For me, that's okay... he never interested me with his gimmicks in the comics; only time he was cool to me was "The Long Halloween", "Hush", and "One Year Later." It was AWESOME the way Great White Shark drove him back to being TwoFace... and Batman was a d!ck for not trusting Harvey. :tgrumble:

I can't remember, but has it been confirmed or just rumored that Bullseye will be in Season 2?

The conflict of kill/no-kill is, for me, what makes me love Jason Todd as a character. I love seeing him fester hatred for Bruce allowing the Joker to live after killing him, because honestly, Jason is right. Joker should be killed. But this is comics, after all, and you can't kill off your rogues gallery... you'd eventually have nobody left but White Rabbit and the Tweedle Twins or other losers. :tlol:

Bullseye is confirmed to appear, but actor is unclear at this point. Jason Satham was on talks for the role but backed out after out when reported Netflix wanted him for the role as he thought it gave him leverage for a bigger paycheck because of massive enthusiasm.

As for killing off The Joker, Batman could give the court a good enouhh case to put bim down insanity plea or not and if neccessary I am sure the governor can persuade state congress to create legislation to leglly put down The Clown Prince of Crime. Besides as good of character as he may be I am tired of him.

I would have liked the surgically repaired Harvey Dent to stay that way. It was a good concept and an unpredictable allly. Good Two Face stories can be found in Batman#234, 328-329, 440-442 along wirh what you previously mentioned.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 08:54 PM

Bullseye is confirmed to appear, but actor is unclear at this point. Jason Satham was on talks for the role but backed out after out when reported Netflix wanted him for the role as he thought it gave him leverage for a bigger paycheck because of massive enthusiasm.

Oh, that's right! I completely forgot about all that. Yeah, Statham would've KILLED it as Bullseye. Season 2 is gonna be SICK. :tgrin:

As for killing off The Joker, Batman could give the court a good enouhh case to put bim down insanity plea or not and if neccessary I am sure the governor can persuade state congress to create legislation to leglly put down The Clown Prince of Crime. Besides as good of character as he may be I am tired of him.

I love Joker when he's done right. Endgame was pretty cool, Death of the Family was also pretty cool... but for me, definitive Joker is "The Dark Knight."

I would have liked the surgically repaired Harvey Dent to stay that way. It was a good concept and an unpredictable allly. Good Two Face stories can be found in Batman#234, 328-329, 440-442 along wirh what you previously mentioned.

Are those stories collected in any TPBs that you know of? That's how I read my comics. (TMNT excepted, because who can wait six months after "Attack on Technodrome"?)

Leo656

08-21-2015, 09:58 PM

The conflict of kill/no-kill is, for me, what makes me love Jason Todd as a character. I love seeing him fester hatred for Bruce allowing the Joker to live after killing him, because honestly, Jason is right. Joker should be killed. But this is comics, after all, and you can't kill off your rogues gallery... you'd eventually have nobody left but White Rabbit and the Tweedle Twins or other losers. :tlol:

And Superman could solve every problem on Earth, including homelessness, hunger, and disease, theoretically. Even Bruce Wayne himself, with literally ALL the money (seriously... if you really pay attention to the comics, he HAS to be as rich as half the planet's billionaires combined to be able to pull off everything he does), is kind of an idiot to waste it on his Batman-ing instead of using his wealth and status to attack the root causes of crime instead of just going out at night to beat up poor people. Y'know?

That's why you can't apply any kind of "real world" logic to super-heroes. It doesn't work. It's fantasy and should be treated as such. Batman letting Joker live so he can keep killing people makes Batman the bad guy. Clearly. That's why you're NOT supposed to actually have characters IN-STORY point out what a moron he is. It breaks the fiction. You can't have someone point out, "Hey, Superman! With your advanced technology and ability to see things at a sub-cellular level, you could single-handedly wipe out cancer!" because then he's forever an asshole for NOT doing that.

Capes-and-tights fiction is not the place to be squeezing in too many "deep" thoughts about morality or social justice. Nothing good comes of it. Jason Todd should not be pointing out to the reader how stupid and impotent the Batman character really is. Batman is the supposed hero of the book. There's a time for "deconstruction" and there's a time to realize who your audience is and that you're doing them a disservice if you sacrifice the very stuff that makes super-heroes "work" - the fact that it's pure, complete, totally impossible fantasy - for the sake of snarkily pointing out how none of it makes any sense when viewed through the lens of "reality".

MikeandRaph87

08-21-2015, 10:23 PM

Oh, that's right! I completely forgot about all that. Yeah, Statham would've KILLED it as Bullseye. Season 2 is gonna be SICK. :tgrin:

I love Joker when he's done right. Endgame was pretty cool, Death of the Family was also pretty cool... but for me, definitive Joker is "The Dark Knight."

Are those stories collected in any TPBs that you know of? That's how I read my comics. (TMNT excepted, because who can wait six months after "Attack on Technodrome"?)

Yes, it is a missed opportunity. We can blame premature leaking on that one. Wait until the contract is signed then report greed or not.

Batman#440-442/New Teen Titans vol.2#60-61 is A Lonely Place of Dying that reunites Bruce and Dick and introduces Tim while Two Face strikes. Its in trade form, but honestly you can find each issue at the LCS for a dollar or two. Batman#234 is collected in various Neal Adams illustrated editions. Batman#328& 329 however is not unfortunately and is probably a favorite Two Face story. Its printed in 1981 and probably goes for $8-$12 dollars if its in Fine or better shape. It is worth the price to me considering I have a classic batman title run, but you probably do not. Still if you like Two Face I would get it. I can always recommend Batman related reads to you via PM or another thread.

As for trades I only read Spider-Man in trades since that is how I started reading the characters as I have all the ASM and PP,SSM collected in Marvel Essentials.

So who do we know will appear in Daredevil season 2?

Punisher
Elektra

Villains:
Mysterio
Stilt Man

Who else? I know another villain or two has been mentioned.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 10:51 PM

Yes, it is a missed opportunity. We can blame premature leaking on that one. Wait until the contract is signed then report greed or not.

Batman#440-442/New Teen Titans vol.2#60-61 is A Lonely Place of Dying that reunites Bruce and Dick and introduces Tim while Two Face strikes. Its in trade form, but honestly you can find each issue at the LCS for a dollar or two. Batman#234 is collected in various Neal Adams illustrated editions. Batman#328& 329 however is not unfortunately and is probably a favorite Two Face story. Its printed in 1981 and probably goes for $8-$12 dollars if its in Fine or better shape. It is worth the price to me considering I have a classic batman title run, but you probably do not. Still if you like Two Face I would get it. I can always recommend Batman related reads to you via PM or another thread.

As for trades I only read Spider-Man in trades since that is how I started reading the characters as I have all the ASM and PP,SSM collected in Marvel Essentials.

So who do we know will appear in Daredevil season 2?

Punisher
Elektra

Villains:
Mysterio
Stilt Man

Who else? I know another villain or two has been mentioned.

I think what I'm most interested in are picking up the unresolved plot points from Season 1:

Who did Karen kill before and why?
What was Black Sky, why was he a child, and what was going to happen with him?

MikeandRaph87

08-21-2015, 10:57 PM

I think what I'm most interested in are picking up the unresolved plot points from Season 1:

Who did Karen kill before and why?
What was Black Sky, why was he a child, and what was going to happen with him?

Black Sky, he was a suicide bomber and the mob was going to use it there advantage. Stick killed him to prevent further dead. Case closed right?

As for Karen's backstory, yes that is something I am interested in seeing as long as it does not follow the certain path that Frank Miller took her down and eventually brings her six feet lower than she should be. I wonder if The Owl will get involved considering his father being involved in Kingpin's underworld dealings and his father double crossing him for the greater good of Kingpin's own empire leading his demise. Not to mention if Kingpin finds out it was Karen who killed his only friend after Wesley kidnapped her of course.

Hope you look for the Two Face stories. If you are a fan of the character I doubt those three recommendations could let you down.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 11:00 PM

And Superman could solve every problem on Earth, including homelessness, hunger, and disease, theoretically. Even Bruce Wayne himself, with literally ALL the money (seriously... if you really pay attention to the comics, he HAS to be as rich as half the planet's billionaires combined to be able to pull off everything he does), is kind of an idiot to waste it on his Batman-ing instead of using his wealth and status to attack the root causes of crime instead of just going out at night to beat up poor people. Y'know?

That's why you can't apply any kind of "real world" logic to super-heroes. It doesn't work. It's fantasy and should be treated as such. Batman letting Joker live so he can keep killing people makes Batman the bad guy. Clearly. That's why you're NOT supposed to actually have characters IN-STORY point out what a moron he is. It breaks the fiction. You can't have someone point out, "Hey, Superman! With your advanced technology and ability to see things at a sub-cellular level, you could single-handedly wipe out cancer!" because then he's forever an asshole for NOT doing that.

Capes-and-tights fiction is not the place to be squeezing in too many "deep" thoughts about morality or social justice. Nothing good comes of it. Jason Todd should not be pointing out to the reader how stupid and impotent the Batman character really is. Batman is the supposed hero of the book. There's a time for "deconstruction" and there's a time to realize who your audience is and that you're doing them a disservice if you sacrifice the very stuff that makes super-heroes "work" - the fact that it's pure, complete, totally impossible fantasy - for the sake of snarkily pointing out how none of it makes any sense when viewed through the lens of "reality".

Different types of storytelling for different audiences; myself, I like my fiction as close to reality as it can get. Some level of suspension of disbelief required always, but it's a lot easier understanding why Batman doesn't kill Joker in "The Dark Knight" than it is in "Under the Red Hood."

Leo656

08-21-2015, 11:13 PM

I get what you're saying, but again, things that absolutely can't be satisfactorily resolved within the narrative of a fictional story need to be conveniently left off the table and not discussed, or else it unravels it. Since everyone reading the story knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that Batman will never kill the Joker, or any of his villains, because then they sell fewer lunchboxes (in addition to making the hero the bad guy), there's no reason to even bring it up within the context of the fictional story. Bringing it up actually breaks the suspension of disbelief, because it reminds you exactly WHY he won't: Because they have to sell toys with these characters and there has to be a perpetual status quo. We all know that, but it's positively stupid to point it out so blatantly. It's just the writer trying to point out how much smarter they are than the audience, frankly. "Isn't Batman stupid for never killing the bad guys?" "Yes. I've been trying to ignore it for 75 years worth of stories, actually, and just have some fun with this whole idea, but you keep pointing this stuff out for the sake of being 'realistic'." :lol:

It's just a bad way to write comic books, basically. It's not a matter of a "different audience", it's that super-hero stories in particular are about wish-fulfillment and escapism by their basic design, not about constructing entire storylines around pointing out how "unrealistic" they are. We get that it's implausible and silly; it's implicit, pointing it out just makes the writer look like a guy who resents his job and wishes he was doing something more "sophisticated". Guys like Chuck Austen, for example. F*****ck that guy. :lol:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

08-21-2015, 11:29 PM

Black Sky, he was a suicide bomber and the mob was going to use it there advantage. Stick killed him to prevent further dead. Case closed right?

Yes, but he was some sort of MYSTICAL suicide bomber (I'm assuming). Was it poison, psychic, what? I really want to find out more... Season 2! Bring back the Hand!

I get what you're saying, but again, things that absolutely can't be satisfactorily resolved within the narrative of a fictional story need to be conveniently left off the table and not discussed, or else it unravels it. Since everyone reading the story knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that Batman will never kill the Joker, or any of his villains, because then they sell fewer lunchboxes (in addition to making the hero the bad guy), there's no reason to even bring it up within the context of the fictional story. Bringing it up actually breaks the suspension of disbelief, because it reminds you exactly WHY he won't: Because they have to sell toys with these characters and there has to be a perpetual status quo. We all know that, but it's positively stupid to point it out so blatantly. It's just the writer trying to point out how much smarter they are than the audience, frankly. "Isn't Batman stupid for never killing the bad guys?" "Yes. I've been trying to ignore it for 75 years worth of stories, actually, and just have some fun with this whole idea, but you keep pointing this stuff out for the sake of being 'realistic'." :lol:

It's just a bad way to write comic books, basically. It's not a matter of a "different audience", it's that super-hero stories in particular are about wish-fulfillment and escapism by their basic design, not about constructing entire storylines around pointing out how "unrealistic" they are. We get that it's implausible and silly; it's implicit, pointing it out just makes the writer look like a guy who resents his job and wishes he was doing something more "sophisticated". Guys like Chuck Austen, for example. F*****ck that guy. :lol:

Yes, but it seems that in the last decade or more, audiences in general demand more realism in their stories. I know I do, and appreciate Nolan's work more than Burton's. In many cases, it resonates with us more. Not always, of course, but many times.

Leo656

08-21-2015, 11:55 PM

They think they do. Truth is "the audience" generally doesn't know what it wants. :lol:

To wit: They claim they want "realism" in super-hero comics, but many of those exact same people will generally frown upon it in super-hero movies (Nolan's trilogy aside). Have we all noticed this, or just me? That's a rather odd contradiction happening collectively within the same faction of people, no? The opposite of what they claim to want actually makes more sense: To have more "realism" and grounding in a physical 3-dimensional space where things are actually happening in real life (and costing a ton of money to produce), and have more fantastical and whimsical stories take place within the pages of a comic book where the only "budget" is page count and imagination. Yet people always get confused, and demand super-hero comic books that are deconstructionist, down-to-Earth, and "real" (with people who fly, mind you), and super-hero movies like Marvel's that are unabashed fantasy and spectacle, while turning up their nose at something like BvS (and even some folks will say it about Nolan's films) dismissing it as "too gloomy", "no fun", and "missing the point of the characters and the medium".

They think they want "more realistic" super-hero fiction. Problem is most of them aren't sure about where it's appropriate to take that approach, because most people who read aren't also people who write. You can get away with it to a point in a certain medium, like Nolan's films for example, that are self-contained. You can't reasonably get all deconstructionist and meta-fictional in the context of a comic book where the stories never end and the entire point is to make people buy it each month. Pointing out to them how repetitive and pointless the entire story is, is the absolute LAST thing you want to be pointing out as a writer, in that position. "Look how silly it is that Batman keeps letting the Joker get away! He's responsible by proxy for every murder Joker's ever done!" "Hey, yeah, good point. This is stupid, I think I'll do something else with my time." As a writer you don't want to pull that thread, if your goal is to contribute to the ongoing narrative and not just to point out how clever you are compared to everyone who's handled that character before you got there.

It's funny, too, that all the people who are praised as being among the best at "realistic" super-hero fiction, like Miller and Moore, go out of their way to point out how that's NOT what they're doing, they're doing the exact opposite and deconstructing "Deconstructionism", and the people reading the books don't get it even then once it's explained to them. Then you get people who DO do "realism", like Azzarello, and you let them actually try and write super-heroes, and they're unquestionably terrible at it, because it's the exact opposite of the kind of stuff they actually write! :lol:

I'unno, man. A Reese's is a Reese's because it's got just the right amount of chocolate and peanut butter. Too far either way and you're not doing it right.

Candy Kappa

08-22-2015, 03:37 AM

Black Sky might be a In-human since Marvel is pushing for them on the big screen (gotta take the second best when there is no mutants :P) Or, he might be some kind of half-demon, or a incarnation of The Beast since he was a rarity and it's hard to find more Black Skies.

Someone mentioned on a discussion forum about Black Sky, that It'll be explored more in the Iron Fist show, but I found no source.

JakeSully

08-22-2015, 11:40 AM

We have to agree to disagree about Two Face. He was not given enough screen time as Two Face. Just for two scenes worth and that was it. Disappointing. All that build and not much pay off. Similar to how Venom was done. One thing I always liked about Two Face was he was married yet throwing in this triangle with Bruce and Rachel may add to this particular take I missed the angle from the comics.

The Punisher is not Daredevil's enemy. They are on opposite ends of the philosophical debate over whether one should kill the enemy and if so is just as bad as one they are attempting to stop. Matt realized this in 3pisode 9 when he went after Kingpin for the sole reason to kill him. He changed his mind after the encounter and talk with Foggy. Some heroes have no problem with killing(Wolverine, Wonder Woman) and while others do (Batman, Spider-Man, Superman). So there will be conflict but not because of The Punisher being a villain, he is an anti-hero. In the comics Punisher debuted in the pages of Amazing Spider-Man#129 and like Kingpin after a few appearances tended to find his story mesh more with Daredevil.

Would you like to see Spider-Man as a guest on this show since he is back with Marvel Studios? maybe they should do an episode with Bruce Banner and do a recreation of Trial of the Incredible Hulk with Banner accused of hurting someone when Bullseye actually hurted someone but not the Hulk.

MikeandRaph87

08-22-2015, 12:39 PM

Would you like to see Spider-Man as a guest on this show since he is back with Marvel Studios? maybe they should do an episode with Bruce Banner and do a recreation of Trial of the Incredible Hulk with Banner accused of hurting someone when Bullseye actually hurted someone but not the Hulk.

I would like that as we will see Mysterio a traditional Spider-Man villian of course the Kingpin connection. It makes alot of sense for him to. Will it happen? I doubt it. It will come down to the specifics of the contract agreement between Sony and Marvel.

Hey Jake,I left a reply for you over in your Denny O'Neil's Batman thread.

MikeandRaph87

08-25-2015, 07:58 PM

Here is a better look at the season 2 costume.
http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/08/25/daredevil-redesigned-suit-marvel/

JakeSully

08-26-2015, 01:10 AM

Looks different

MikeandRaph87

08-26-2015, 07:24 PM

This could serve as inspiration of some of what we will see in the next season.
http://collider.com/best-daredevil-punisher-fights/#kills-the-marvel-universe

Luigiperps

08-27-2015, 11:25 AM

Darn, I was hoping he'd get his logo this season.

MikeandRaph87

08-31-2015, 05:55 PM

Another bone on the currently filming season 2 of Daredevil. Such a long wait from when its filmed to when its released. They love to torture us with waiting...ugh.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/08/31/daredevil-season-2-set-photo-teases-new-romance-for-matt-murdock

MikeandRaph87

09-04-2015, 05:18 PM

Blake Tower, a NYC D.A. is said to be added to the Daredevil cast for season 2. From the way the article reads he is indirectly replacing Ben Urich as Daredevil's information source and will be made diverse. For those that are fan of the comic, who is this character and what has he done of note as a Daredevil supporting cast member?
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Daredevil-Adds-Key-Comic-Character-Season-2-83437.html

TurtleTitan97

10-10-2015, 07:21 PM

First teaser has been leaked for season 2 in low quality, giving us our first look at Punisher and Elektra. Teaser begins at 1:18 in the video: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/marvelfreshman/news/?a=125812

TurtleTitan97

10-12-2015, 02:27 PM

Trailer has officially been released: https://www.facebook.com/MarvelCinematicUniverse/videos/1220096868006883/

Etsyturtle2

10-12-2015, 02:38 PM

Trailer has officially been released: https://www.facebook.com/MarvelCinematicUniverse/videos/1220096868006883/

I mostly saw a ton of season 1 footage. Didn't see Electra or punisher.

TurtleTitan97

10-12-2015, 02:45 PM

I mostly saw a ton of season 1 footage. Didn't see Electra or punisher.

They show up near end of the video. Skip to 1:28

Autbot_Benz

01-02-2016, 02:32 PM

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/GraphicCity/news/?a=129479

Looks like Daredevil is back in March on Netflix

JakeSully

01-03-2016, 03:29 AM

Oooh awesome, The Punisher on the show can be awesome

ZariusTwo

01-04-2016, 01:54 PM

http://comicbook.com/2016/01/04/daredevil-season-2-to-debut-march-25th-against-batman-v-superman/

Daredevil v Punisher vs Batman v Superman

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 02:01 PM

As a family man, I can't really marathon Marvel's Netflix shows in 1-2 days anymore. I did with Daredevil Season 1, but only because I was seriously sick.

Jessica Jones took me about 5 days to watch, I think. Stayed up till 1am pretty much every night. :tlol:

Batman V Superman, though? Date night! Or, rather, Friday lunch date. I totally take off work early for movies... no crowds.

MikeandRaph87

01-04-2016, 02:09 PM

I can go to the Thursday evening showing of Dawn of Justice and catch Daredevil season 2 the next afternoon. We can see both and enjoy both in the same weekend. I have been looking forward to both.

ToTheNines

01-04-2016, 04:39 PM

Not that I think this is going to affect ticket sales for BVS, it's kind of funny how Marvel has been doing everything they can to bully this movie. First with Civil War, now this.

CyberCubed

01-04-2016, 04:43 PM

Like anyone is going to watch netflix over a movie.

plastroncafe

01-04-2016, 04:46 PM

Hi, my name is Anyone.

ToTheNines

01-04-2016, 04:49 PM

I would also be an Anyone here, but I almost always see geek movies on the Thursday preview night. So I have no conflict here.

Autbot_Benz

01-04-2016, 05:12 PM

I am an anyone also. I have been waiting for Punisher's Return after the awesome first movie and lackluster second movie.

NinjaPug

01-04-2016, 05:41 PM

Put me in the netflix over a movie crowd too. I'll also be seeing the movie on Thursday before Daredevil is even released so this isn't an issue at all.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 06:44 PM

Honestly, thinking about it, with Flash, Arrow, and Legends of Tomorrow taking up my weekly viewing time, I may not get to Daredevil until June. Gah... you guys will be insufferable with your spoilers. :tlol:

Eh, there are weekends. And nights. Screw sleep.

CyberCubed

01-04-2016, 07:51 PM

I only watch Supergirl regularly. All those other superhero shows I check out the first few episodes and then lose interest.

TurtleTitan97

01-04-2016, 07:53 PM

I only watch Supergirl regularly. All those other superhero shows I check out the first few episodes and then lose interest.

Oh please Cubed, we all know the REAL reason you watch Supergirl. And it's certainly not because it's "interesting" to you. :roll:

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 08:03 PM

I gotta say, as much fun as 2015 was, I think the Supergirl Cubed threads have been my absolute favorite. :tlol:

MikeandRaph87

01-04-2016, 08:09 PM

I gotta say, as much fun as 2015 was, I think the Supergirl Cubed threads have been my absolute favorite. :tlol:

Watch the Jessica Jones ones pop up soon.:ohwell:

Daredevil is simply the best of all superhero shows. I am not included animated here just live action. I could not get into Jessica Jones. Its just not my thing. Gotham is far off from what is expected, but the last half season was good enough for me to watch it regularly. Flash? Meh. Supergirl. No thanks. Arrow? Never considered it. Yep, Daredevil is the best out right now. Thursday night Dawn of Justice. Friday night Daredevil season 2 binge. I think I will rewatch season 1 soon.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 08:15 PM

I don't understand you guys who "can't get into" Jessica Jones. Honestly, I haven't heard a single female viewer say that yet. Just dudes.

TurtleTitan97

01-04-2016, 08:15 PM

Flash? Meh.

Them's fightin' words, partner!

I don't understand you guys who "can't get into" Jessica Jones. Honestly, I haven't heard a single female viewer say that yet. Just dudes.

Agreed. Can't say I understand it either.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 08:21 PM

Them's fightin' words, partner!

Agreed. Can't say I understand it either.

I think I love you, TurtleTitan. :tlol:

ToTheNines

01-04-2016, 08:23 PM

The comic book store dudes that I shoot the **** with every Wednesday didn't like it either and almost threw me out when I said it was better than DD, on the whole lol. They said they only liked the episodes with Luke Cage.

Cure

01-04-2016, 08:23 PM

I don't understand you guys who "can't get into" Jessica Jones. Honestly, I haven't heard a single female viewer say that yet. Just dudes.

What is this even supposed to mean? I don't get it.

"Only guys don't like it, so you're all wrong!"

TurtleTitan97

01-04-2016, 08:26 PM

I think I love you, TurtleTitan. :tlol:

Aw shucks. :tlol:

https://thedisneydivadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/goofy.gif?w=640

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 08:27 PM

What is this even supposed to mean? I don't get it.

"Only guys don't like it, so you're all wrong!"

Oh, look who showed up! This should be fun!

First, my dear little inoculation, at no time did I ever say anyone was wrong. I did not even imply that anyone was wrong. Merely that I am baffled by those who dislike it.

Second, it is a fact that in my discussions with people who have seen JJ, every female viewer has enjoyed it and had an overall positive opinion. Only male viewers, in my experience, have overall disliked it or been bored by it.

Did I call anyone sexist? Nope. But it is an interesting correlation, and I'd be fascinated to know the comparative numbers.

Cure

01-04-2016, 08:30 PM

Damn, man, what's up with the hostility? I asked because like I said, I was confused. That's how it came off, so I wanted clarity.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 08:32 PM

Damn, man, what's up with the hostility? I asked because like I said, I was confused. That's how it came off, so I wanted clarity.

My honest apology, Cure. I thought you were being a d!ck, so I retaliated. My honest and sincere apology.

Cure

01-04-2016, 08:33 PM

It's fine. It just seems like a weird way of validating something.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 08:37 PM

It's fine. It just seems like a weird way of validating something.

Yeah. Again, I'm sorry. I misunderstood your "tone of voice."

I would like to see some numbers on male viewers versus female viewers, and see if that relates to anything.

Perhaps a number of guys can't relate to Jessica as a trauma/abuse victim? Or there wasn't enough action ala Daredevil, Arrow, and Flash? Because it certainly wasn't "boring", although "slow" could be an accurate criticism...

Cure

01-04-2016, 08:39 PM

That was my problem with it. It was super slow. I felt bad for her, sure, but I just wasn't entertained. Or intrigued.

And the few fight scenes there was were so baaaaaad.

plastroncafe

01-04-2016, 08:45 PM

I loved Jessica Jones, but think it still pales in comparison to the comic.

CyberCubed

01-04-2016, 09:26 PM

Oh please Cubed, we all know the REAL reason you watch Supergirl. And it's certainly not because it's "interesting" to you. :roll:

Damn straight. At least I don't try to hide it.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ff/9d/15/ff9d15def110792743e71e12f0cf7494.gif

Her smile melts my heart. How can anyone resist this cutie?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 09:42 PM

Damn straight. At least I don't try to hide it.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ff/9d/15/ff9d15def110792743e71e12f0cf7494.gif

Her smile melts my heart. How can anyone resist this cutie?

That smile looks nervous to me, Cubed. Like she knows you're watching her.

CyberCubed

01-04-2016, 09:48 PM

That smile looks nervous to me, Cubed. Like she knows you're watching her.

Her nervousness and skittishness makes it even better. She's a loveable dork like Peter Parker only she's girly and fun. Everyone loves nerdy superheroes who don't know what they're doing and trip over themselves.

TurtleTitan97

01-04-2016, 09:51 PM

Her nervousness and skittishness makes it even better.

Do you ever know when to NOT stop sounding like a creep? :roll:

CyberCubed

01-04-2016, 09:54 PM

Supergirl (especially in the CBS show), is basically Peter Parker for girls. She's dorky and funny for the same reason Peter Parker is.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5pHf_PEbEFo/UX_dEHv_jdI/AAAAAAAATx8/uqjYg-T2cHM/s640/spidey_dance.gif

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 09:56 PM

Her nervousness and skittishness makes it even better. She's a loveable dork like Peter Parker only she's girly and fun. Everyone loves nerdy superheroes who don't know what they're doing and trip over themselves.

So... does Melissa already have a restraining order against you, or is it still getting processed through the court? :tlol:

ToTheNines

01-04-2016, 10:09 PM

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww280/craig-5/Mobile%20Uploads/Creepy%20Tobey%20Maguire.jpg

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 10:11 PM

http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww280/craig-5/Mobile%20Uploads/Creepy%20Tobey%20Maguire.jpg

That creepy face...

And people tell me to watch the Spiderman movies. Sure, I'll get right on that. :tlol:

ToTheNines

01-04-2016, 10:18 PM

Yeah don't. I still enjoy 1 for the nostalgia, but it's trash by modern superhero standards, and Toby is creepy in it. (Not cubed creepy, but still).

Haven't seen 2 in years, so I won't comment. I used to like it though.

Don't even think about watching 3. Ever.

CyberCubed

01-04-2016, 10:19 PM

Spiderman 1 and 2 are still fun movies. I rewatched them last summer.

Spiderman 3 is a bad movie, but there are still some hilarious moments in the film and Sandman is cool. If anything watch it to laugh at it.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-04-2016, 10:26 PM

ToTheNines

01-05-2016, 08:09 AM

Damn straight. At least I don't try to hide it.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/ff/9d/15/ff9d15def110792743e71e12f0cf7494.gif

Her smile melts my heart. How can anyone resist this cutie?

I feel like this version is more your speed buddy.

http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/Graphics/Boxes/200/Front/92830.jpg

MikeandRaph87

01-05-2016, 08:23 AM

I think Cubed is the 'Drome's best sport ever. I mean, the dude is just straight up "water off a duck's back."

Still, don't think I'd leave my kid sister alone with him. At least not if she was dressed up in a Supergirl costume. :trazz:

Agreed on all counts. Cubed just likes a girl who looks innocent on the outside, but is bad@ss on the inside and can handle herself.

How long until a preview teaser? We only got 15 seconds of a church scene so far.

How will Kingpin be utilized this time?

Foombamaroom

01-05-2016, 09:30 PM

How will Kingpin be utilized this time?

I don't think Kingpin's in this season.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-05-2016, 09:32 PM

I don't think Kingpin's in this season.

I kinda hope he's not, but I feel like maybe he is. I dunno, we'll see. Daredevil was good enough that, while we'll be missing out on a great actor, the rest of the show was just so good that it's not gonna be a problem.

TurtleTitan97

01-05-2016, 10:16 PM

Cubed just likes a girl who looks innocent on the outside, but is bad@ss on the inside and can handle herself.

Something tells me you haven't read his Supergirl comments. :lol:

Foombamaroom

01-05-2016, 10:28 PM

I kinda hope he's not, but I feel like maybe he is. I dunno, we'll see. Daredevil was good enough that, while we'll be missing out on a great actor, the rest of the show was just so good that it's not gonna be a problem.

I'm all about Kingpin not being in the season if they have a villain just as good as him. I kinda don't want Punisher to be the main antagonist of Season 2, but I think I could live with it.

ToTheNines

01-05-2016, 10:35 PM

We'll also have Elektra, and I'm fairly certain Bullseye.

Not to mention Stick is confirmed for 3 episodes in season 2, so I'm sure that means we'll get some Hand ninja stuff.

MikeandRaph87

01-05-2016, 11:03 PM

Kingpin could continue to operate his criminal empire from behind bars. It was implied villains like Mysterio and Mr. Fear would appear. Perhaps as one episode hires to eliminate Daredevil? Maybe the rise of The Owl given ehat happened with his father because of Fisk.

Foombamaroom

01-05-2016, 11:03 PM

We'll also have Elektra, and I'm fairly certain Bullseye.

Not to mention Stick is confirmed for 3 episodes in season 2, so I'm sure that means we'll get some Hand ninja stuff.

I feel like they're going to hold-off on the Hand as the antagonists for S2. I feel like they may have that be the Defenders' antagonist if Iron Fist comes into play. Bullseye I don't think is coming this season. Probably Season 3.

TurtleTitan97

01-05-2016, 11:05 PM

Leo656

01-06-2016, 12:17 AM

I feel like this version is more your speed buddy.

http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/Graphics/Boxes/200/Front/92830.jpg

Haha, I seen that sh*t. Righteous.

But the Batman '66 one is absolutely flawless.

MikeandRaph87

01-06-2016, 02:19 PM

When was Mysterio ever implied to appear?

Back in early June it was said Mysterio was one of three villains likely to appear. It is the perfect way to fit in the character within the MCU. If he were to appear in a future Spider-Man film it would make it even more cohesive.

ToTheNines

01-06-2016, 02:22 PM

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that was a Latino review "scoop", so it may be true and it may be completely fabricated.

NinjaPug

01-07-2016, 07:30 AM

Season 2 is being released March 18th.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/07/daredevil-season-2-release-date-teaser-poster

MikeandRaph87

01-07-2016, 09:05 AM

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that was a Latino review "scoop", so it may be true and it may be completely fabricated.

That is why I emphasized the word 'likely'. I would like it to be true, but we will noy know until the season is released.

March 18th? Was this in response to the backlash of giving Dawn of Justice the finger?

NinjaPug

01-16-2016, 11:54 AM

Punisher Spinoff Starring Jon Bernthal in Development at Netflix
By Michael Ausiello / January 16 2016, 9:44 AM PST

Netflix is this close to pulling the trigger on The Punisher, a new Marvel spinoff series centered on Jon Bernthal’s gun-toting Daredevil vigilante (aka Frank Castle), TVLine has learned exclusively.

Viewers will get their first look at Bernthal’s Punisher when Daredevil ‘s second season drops on Friday, March 18, but the early buzz on the Walking Dead alum’s performance is overwhelmingly positive.

“Viewers watching the show will be rooting for this guy with a gun but we’re also going to force people to second-guess themselves,” previewed exec producer Doug Petrie in a recent interview with EW.com. “Taking lethal justice into your own hands in America in 2015 is tricky s–t.”

For those keeping track at home, this would mark Netflix’s sixth Marvel series, following Daredevil,Jessica Jones, the upcoming Luke Cage, and the in-the-works Iron Fist and The Defenders.

Reps for Netflix and Marvel declined comment.

http://tvline.com/2016/01/16/the-punisher-series-netflix-spinoff-jon-bernthal/

TurtleTitan97

01-16-2016, 12:45 PM

That's great news! Can't wait.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

01-16-2016, 01:51 PM

Leo656

01-17-2016, 03:06 AM

ToTheNines

02-14-2016, 03:48 PM

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/the-punisher-taunts-matt-murdock-in-new-daredevil-trailer-announcement

Trailer tomorrow.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-14-2016, 03:58 PM

That's because people are stupid. War Zone is a masterpiece. I'unno how f*cking "Titanic" wins the Oscar but "Punisher: War Zone" is ignored. DiCaprio didn't put his goddamn fist through Billy Zane's goddamn face, now DID he? This universe sucks.

The other one had its moments. Tom Jane really elevated it. I haven't seen the one with Dolph in so long I can't even comment on it.

Sounds like you need to join me in a rewatch, LOL! I mean, I know you have some issues with it as a Punisher film, and were I a bigger fan of the character, I would too. But ya gotta admit that it WAS pretty f***ing awesome for the time. Good story, lot of action, and Dolph was da shiz-nit!

MikeandRaph87

02-14-2016, 04:01 PM

Those that were The Kingpin's associates in the Netflix series, Owsley Sr., Madame Gao, Nabu, and the Russian brothers, and Wesley, were any of them in the comics? I think Wesley appeared in one arc during Frank Miller's run, but was not major like he was here.

I am rewatching it awaiting season 2. I am on episode 11 at the moment. I must admit I was genuinely surprised at Wesley and Ben Urich's deaths especially Urich since he is alive and well in the comics.

MsMarvelDuckie

02-14-2016, 04:04 PM

Owlsley most definitely is in the comics, and has even stood in for Fisk on occasion, notably when he is in prison.

MikeandRaph87

02-14-2016, 04:15 PM

Owlsley most definitely is in the comics, and has even stood in for Fisk on occasion, notably when he is in prison.

I am well aware of his son having read the Doc Ock/The Owl gang war from Spectacular in the early 80s', but I was unaware of his corrupt Wall Street broker father. Is it The Owl's father you are referring to?

ToTheNines

02-15-2016, 08:17 AM

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Second trailer coming on the 25th.

Purse Grabbin Puke

02-15-2016, 09:02 AM

I cannot wait for this...The Punisher done right...I liked Thomas Jane's take, but this is going to be spot on...

TurtleTitan97

02-15-2016, 09:11 AM

That was a brilliant trailer. Can't wait for Punisher and Elektra.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-15-2016, 09:23 AM

MikeandRaph87

02-15-2016, 09:36 AM

So I'm guessing Frank has his sights ultimately set on Fisk, and perhaps Elektra has been hired to take Frank out? Daredevil caught in the middle?

I really hope we get more on Karen, too... let's follow up that plot point of "You think you're the first man I've killed?" or whatever she said.

She is responsible for Ben Urich's death indirectly. I expect to see that followed up on. Wesley was self-dense, but Ben has to weigh on her.

Let me know if the other show I referred you to interest you and I can attempt to find it for you.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-15-2016, 09:44 AM

She is responsible for Ben Urich's death indirectly. I expect to see that followed up on. Wesley was self-dense, but Ben has to weigh on her.

Let me know if the other show I referred you to interest you and I can attempt to find it for you.

Oh, that's right... I forgot it was Karen's insistence that they went to find Fisk's momma. :teek:

The scene with Wesley was awesome. That and the hallway fight are two of my favorite scenes from Season 1. :tcool:

MikeandRaph87

02-15-2016, 10:02 AM

Oh, that's right... I forgot it was Karen's insistence that they went to find Fisk's momma. :teek:

The scene with Wesley was awesome. That and the hallway fight are two of my favorite scenes from Season 1. :tcool:

The trailer showed a glimpse of the follow up to the hallway fight.

It is my hope after I read up on Karen Page's comic book history that the showrunners steer clear of it and do its own thing. I typically like seeing comics or cartoons to inspire further iterations, but in Karen's case just the base character needs inspiration. It also proves the potential love interest does not have to be turned into a superhero (Red She-Hulk, female Thor) and still be effective for the side of good.

I wonder how Kingpin will play a part in season 2. Will it be the fall out from his role from the previous season to motivate both The Punisher and Elekra and he not really appear or will he find a way out of prison legally?

I wonder how Frank Castle will be toned down. I mean, if he shows up it makes it R rated but the show is a PG-13/TV-14 feel. Spider-Man:TAS did well doing so in his role in Mutant Nightmare storyarc, but that was limited while this is ongoing.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-15-2016, 10:28 AM

The trailer showed a glimpse of the follow up to the hallway fight.

It is my hope after I read up on Karen Page's comic book history that the showrunners steer clear of it and do its own thing. I typically like seeing comics or cartoons to inspire further iterations, but in Karen's case just the base character needs inspiration. It also proves the potential love interest does not have to be turned into a superhero (Red She-Hulk, female Thor) and still be effective for the side of good.

I wonder how Kingpin will play a part in season 2. Will it be the fall out from his role from the previous season to motivate both The Punisher and Elekra and he not really appear or will he find a way out of prison legally?

I wonder how Frank Castle will be toned down. I mean, if he shows up it makes it R rated but the show is a PG-13/TV-14 feel. Spider-Man:TAS did well doing so in his role in Mutant Nightmare storyarc, but that was limited while this is ongoing.

Daredevil Season 1 was NOT PG13. The level of implied brutality gets it an R-rating, unless you can point me to similar head-smashing or head-spiking viciousness in a PG13 flick. It was simply not a heavy R, which I enjoyed.

And I'd personally rather see Karen end up with Foggy; they seemed to have pretty nice chemistry...

MikeandRaph87

02-15-2016, 12:10 PM

Daredevil Season 1 was NOT PG13. The level of implied brutality gets it an R-rating, unless you can point me to similar head-smashing or head-spiking viciousness in a PG13 flick. It was simply not a heavy R, which I enjoyed.

And I'd personally rather see Karen end up with Foggy; they seemed to have pretty nice chemistry...

I guess Foggy could go back to the unstable romance with Marci Stahl. Though I do agree with what you are saying. I think the showrunners are attempting a love triangle with Matt, Karen, and Elektra. It was not really done in the comics because of Elektra's initial popularity pushed Karen out of the comic so it could be an angle the want to explore.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-15-2016, 12:12 PM

I guess Foggy could go back to the unstable romance with Marci Stahl. Though I do agree with what you are saying. I think the showrunners are attempting a love triangle with Matt, Karen, and Elektra. It was not really done in the comics because of Elektra's initial popularity pushed Karen out of the comic so it could be an angle the want to explore.

All I know is, I gotta rewatch Season 1 before 2 debuts.

And all I WANNA know is when can I add Daredevil Season 1 to my DVD library?

MikeandRaph87

02-15-2016, 12:15 PM

All I know is, I gotta rewatch Season 1 before 2 debuts.

And all I WANNA know is when can I add Daredevil Season 1 to my DVD library?

I am rewatching it now so I can have it out of the way before Fuller House is dropped on Netflix and three shows I watch start back in the next ten days. Two more to go.

I agree. Why no DVD announcement yet? How long did it take House of Cards for example to go from its debut date on Netflix to its initial release on DVD?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-15-2016, 12:19 PM

I am rewatching it now so I can have it out of the way before Fuller House is dropped on Netflix and three shows I watch start back in the next ten days. Two more to go.

I agree. Why no DVD announcement yet? How long did it take House of Cards for example to go from its debut date on Netflix to its initial release on DVD?

I don't really know... the only Netflix shows I ever watch are, in fact, these two. By "these two", I mean Jessica Jones and Daredevil. Marvel stuff.

Gah, my shelf feels SO EMPTY without those two shows. :tlol:

Autbot_Benz

02-15-2016, 12:28 PM

m5_A0Wx0jU4

Time to get Punished

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-15-2016, 12:49 PM

m5_A0Wx0jU4

Time to get Punished

You are 1 page and about 20 posts too late. :tlol:

ToTheNines

02-15-2016, 01:16 PM

Orange is the New Black and House of Cards get their dvd/blu rays less than a year after their stream dates. Unsure what the hold up is here.

MikeandRaph87

02-15-2016, 04:41 PM

Madame Gao is still out there. She fled to back to China. What role if any would she play? The Owl could always play into things after Kingpin killed his father after trying to remove Vanessa to refocus Wilson.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-15-2016, 06:25 PM

MikeandRaph87

02-15-2016, 06:39 PM

She needs to be saved for Iron Fist.

You would have thought Gobu would have been. Is it your theory or confirmed?

TurtleTitan97

02-15-2016, 07:36 PM

You would have thought Gobu would have been. Is it your theory or confirmed?

Madame Gao is confirmed to be connected to a villain of Iron Fist from the comics, so I'd say it's likely she'll appear once more in his series.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-15-2016, 08:14 PM

You would have thought Gobu would have been. Is it your theory or confirmed?

Theory and comic precedence.

MikeandRaph87

02-15-2016, 08:23 PM

We have Stick and the council that could also play into Iron Fist. Made Gao with her drug operations, but she said it was only for finical reasons. She has other purposes. Right now its just Daredevil with the Marvel shows. If its involving ninjitsu and mysticism I will give it a shot.

Kingpin's trail I could see being the premiere episode. The question is, will he beat it? Pull strings from afar? I agree about Elektra being hired to take out The Punisher. I theorized that myself. Other villains in one-offs? We will get a love triangle as Matt and Karen are getting close because of all the mess with the Kingpin and Foggy seems to have got Marci to turn a new leaf. Elektra can change all that. Not much really to go on. Bring on the fight chorography. Funny enough its my favorite thing about MMPR and WWE.:P

NinjaPug

02-16-2016, 05:31 PM

Holy crap at that trailer.

This line really got me - "You hit them and they get back up. I hit them and they stay down"

NinjaPug

02-23-2016, 06:12 PM

Would it kill them to put a skull on his shirt?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb76svWW4AEmjfz.jpg

TurtleTitan97

02-23-2016, 06:16 PM

Maybe he'll get it by the end of the season?

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-23-2016, 07:32 PM

Patience, young ones... Matt wore black for 12 of the 13 episodes of Daredevil Season 1 before he ever put on the red pajamas. Do you really think Punisher's gonna start fully-uniformed? :twink:

NinjaPug

02-24-2016, 11:42 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb_zgr3UEAAX41y.jpg

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-24-2016, 11:43 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb_zgr3UEAAX41y.jpg

Oh yeah. This is gun' be good!

Foombamaroom

02-24-2016, 01:15 PM

Wow, Raphael's diet has really done wonders for him.

ToTheNines

02-24-2016, 02:38 PM

Yowza, very very very cool. That just got me more hyped than any previous promos.

TurtleTitan97

02-25-2016, 08:39 AM

2Cn3DVV0LHY

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-25-2016, 09:12 AM

I love that one trailer focuses exclusively on Punisher, and one exclusively on Elektra.

This season is going to be just as good as Season 1. Can't wait!

NinjaPug

02-25-2016, 09:24 AM

Really like what I've seen from this version of Elektra so far. Almost anything would be an improvement over the Jen Garner version though.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

02-25-2016, 11:45 AM

New rumor on Iron Fist casting...

http://screenrant.com/iron-fist-finn-jones/

shuriken

02-26-2016, 07:58 PM

NinjaPug

03-04-2016, 12:04 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cctl6KSW0AAzzh7.jpg

MikeandRaph87

03-04-2016, 12:44 PM

The Punisher, Elektra, The Hand ninja clan. Netflix and Marvel are going all out. I hope this passes season 1 in excellence. March 18th is the true test.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

03-04-2016, 12:46 PM

Heard a new report that Kingpin does indeed return. It could go either way and I'd be fine with it...

MikeandRaph87

03-04-2016, 12:58 PM

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/video-game-championship-wrestling/images/9/94/Daniel_Bryan_YES.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130306110059Heard a new report that Kingpin does indeed return. It could go either way and I'd be fine with it...

shuriken

03-06-2016, 10:18 PM

^^ RIGHT :D
Wanna re-watch the season during my spring break

NinjaPug

03-07-2016, 09:28 PM

Punisher and Elektra look awesome

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc_k5KSUYAASb5L.jpg

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

03-07-2016, 10:14 PM

Punisher and Elektra look awesome

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc_k5KSUYAASb5L.jpg

Oh man, this season is gonna be fan-freaking-tastic. :tcool:

TurtleTitan97

03-08-2016, 09:30 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdB0gMmW4AEpkoq.jpg:large

TurtleTitan97

03-15-2016, 09:30 AM

New trailer:

https://twitter.com/Daredevil/status/709748496803319810

MikeandRaph87

03-17-2016, 08:28 PM

A review of the first six episodes is up. Only minor spoilers are included. It also links two promos from its official Twitter account.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/16/marvels-daredevil-season-2-ew-review

Commenter 42

03-19-2016, 12:52 AM

I'm on Episdode 4.

The stairwell. :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

That is all.

TurtleTitan97

03-19-2016, 02:10 AM

Just finished watching it. Really liked this show's take on Punisher and Elektra.

Commenter 42

03-19-2016, 05:16 AM

I'm on 8 now.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Good.

Except for Foggy... much better than season 1, but dude is drowning amidst all the talent.

bed time.

AT-Man

03-19-2016, 07:17 AM

I think it was better than the first season.

MikeandRaph87

03-19-2016, 09:07 AM

I have watched the first two. Decent intro as The Punisher was made possible thanks to Daredevil's success. That also created a power vacuum. Matt gets seriously injured by Frank two episodes in a row making Foggy think he is dead? Matt does not need to be beaten to a bloody pulp to prove how good someone is. Looks like things are shaping up, but I do have one spoiler question for those further than me in, are there any costumed super villains that Daredevil faces?

Purse Grabbin Puke

03-19-2016, 09:12 AM

I considered the 1st season to be the best thing Marvel has done on TV and in Movies...until I finished season 2...My goodness...I think season 2 blows away season 1. Anyone else think so? Punisher was great, Elektra was great, Foggy, Karen, and the fighting...all great...Can't wait for Season 3.

Foombamaroom

03-19-2016, 11:06 AM

I flew through Season 2 all at once, and I'm very impressed with it.

Punisher and Elektra were spectacular, Foggy was awesome, but Karen made me want to slice someone's neck open.

However, the thing that I thought was the coolest part about the second season was how completely polar opposite the storytelling was.
Daredevil Season 1 had this amazing slow burn to it, while Season 2 hit the ground running and just kept going from there. 1 also had more focused on a singular villain, while 2 had multiple plots that all felt organic to the situation. I could go on, those are just the main two I thought of.

Honestly, this was just as good as 1 in terms of writing and quality. It all comes down to personal preference in terms of which story you liked more. Personally, I like 2 more just because I thought Punisher and Elektra stole the show, and 201-204 were some of the best episodes I've ever seen of any TV show.

CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

03-19-2016, 12:30 PM

Four episodes in; Punisher's been apprehended and Elektra just showed up.

One question that I would like spoiled: Do we ever focus on Karen's history and what might have happened to cause her to say "You really think you're the first man I've killed?" or whatever it was?

This season feels a lot slower to me so far... with Jessica Jones, I knew right away what the overall story was going to be. With Daredevil Season 2, I'm still not sure what the overall story is. Not bad, just different.

...

But I do prefer Jessica Jones.

Oh, and Jon as the Punisher is AMAZING. :teek:

Autbot_Benz

03-19-2016, 12:35 PM

Jon is fantastic as The Punisher. I really hope Marvel and Netflix give him his own show down the line.

ToTheNines

03-19-2016, 04:32 PM

I'm on Episdode 4.

The stairwell. :o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o

That is all.

The stairwell? It was so beautiful I was almost in tears watching it, that sh*t was so good. They could have just made that an episode lol.

Commenter 42

03-19-2016, 04:58 PM

The stairwell? It was so beautiful I was almost in tears watching it, that sh*t was so good. They could have just made that an episode lol.

This is how you do action. Put the viewer in the middle of it, let the action happen.

I could give two ***** about Karen. Her and Foggy are so annoying. Karen will end up with Frank, I'm sure of it.

Elektra is exactly my ex-wife in spirt; loved life close to the edge, and took no sh!t. My kind of woman. They're chemistry is perfect.

Starting ep 8 tonight.

TurtleTitan97

03-19-2016, 06:42 PM

That stairwell fight was definitely one of this seasons' best fight scenes.

Turo602

03-19-2016, 08:32 PM

I'm on episode 10. So far it's better than last season which is saying a lot. I absolutely can't stand Foggy. He started out likeable in the first season but now he's this annoying, unreasonable, ungrateful, selfish, asshole just making things complicated for Matt. I'm not totally feeling this Punisher yet either. His presence has been great but the portrayal just isn't doing it for me. The stairway scene was amazing and the rooftop interaction between Daredevil and Punisher was fantastic. Easily the top 2 greatest moments in this season so far. I can't say much about Elektra since I'm not too familiar with her character but she's definitely been good thus far except for one spotty moment that I'm unsure is going to be properly explained.

One question that I would like spoiled: Do we ever focus on Karen's history and what might have happened to cause her to say "You really think you're the first man I've killed?" or whatever it was?

I don't think that was meant to be taken seriously. That was just her keeping her guard up. Though I don't think there's been any resolution to what happened with her at the end of the first season. Just hints of it still haunting her.

Commenter 42

03-20-2016, 06:19 AM

Maybe we need a spoiler/non spoiler thread.

All done.

All in all, lots of great moments, but a bunch of cringe inducing crap too.
I don't think it's fair to outright say anything that might spoil here, even in tags...

my impression overall?: 65% of the time it was literally everything you could want x1000, then they'd throw a little garbage in, stuff that took you right out of the story.

It made me think of the series as a meta version of Murdock; unreliable, but doing it's best, lots of good points, but flawed.

I also couldn't help but imagine the Turtles in this universe, the proper ones not the Baystrocities.

Kills any DC tv, no matter how you look at it, which is a shame.