RUMOR: Nick Planning Crossover Event For 2018?

[ZariusTwo]

A few minutes ago, this guy posted the following on Rangerboard:

If anyone's interested, a few of my mates have been given the go-ahead to license out merchandise rights based on the current comics, original comics and 2003 TV series.

Nickelodeon is developing an "infinite crisis" style event for 2018. All versions of the Turtles in one TV movie.

Source: Rangerboard.com (http://www.rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=172826&page=8)

Didn't see a thread for this. but let me know if this has been discussed at any point before this

Update: He has since deleted the information about the crossover.

TAKE THIS AS RUMOR UNTIL MORE CAN BE VERIFIED

[Powder]

What about this random internet user is to make me believe anything they say should be taken seriously?

& that spoiled section does not appear in the post you linked, at least not for me.

[ZariusTwo]

What about this random internet user is to make me believe anything they say should be taken seriously?

& that spoiled section does not appear in the post you linked, at least not for me.

He edited the post so it wasn't spoiled.

And I figured the first thing to occur in this thread would be negative.

[Powder]

And I figured the first thing to occur in this thread would be negative .

You're providing news without any context or additional information beyond a quote from a random person on a message board. How should anyone know they're not full of crap? Who are they? Why is their word worth taking seriously? What job do these friends of his have?

As for the content itself, this is all I see when I view the link-
http://i60.tinypic.com/f35q9d.png

[ZariusTwo]

There's no reason for you to use this kind of language towards me. You may have edited it out, but I saw it.

rUFiaXpf3cU:P

If it helps, I'll ask him.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

... I figured the first thing to occur in this thread would be negative.

I figured there wouldn't be a valid source for something as far in the future as 2018.

[TurtleTitan97]

Sounds fishy to me.

[Powder]

youtube link

Okay... That doesn't answer any of my questions.

How should anyone know they're not full of crap? Who are they? Why is their word worth taking seriously? What job do these friends of his have?

[Candy Kappa]

Sounds as legit as the Bizzie Bones we had on the forum some time back. :lol:

[ZariusTwo]

Okay... That doesn't answer any of my questions.

If it helps, I'll ask him.

Asking away at the moment

[Powder]

Asking away at the moment

So... you yourself don't even know who this dude is? Why would you share it as news, then?

& why is your post the only one that says anything about a crossover? I posted a screencap of what I see at the link, he talks about merch, that's it.

[ZariusTwo]

Why would you share it as news, then?

I can't share TMNT rumors on a TMNT forum now?

[Powder]

I can't share TMNT rumors on a TMNT forum now?

You are well within your right to share your findings, it'd just be great if there was a dash of credibility. Why get people hyped up about something that as far as you know could be the hypothetical musings of some forum troll?

[ZariusTwo]

You are well within your right to share your findings, it'd just be great if there was a dash of credibility. Why get people hyped up about something that as far as you know could be the hypothetical musings of some forum troll?

He's not a troll. He's a VIP member of that forum.

You're projecting lables on someone you know nothing about

& why is your post the only one that says anything about a crossover? I posted a screencap of what I see at the link, he talks about merch, that's it.

He's edited the post. He obviously said something he shouldn't have.

[senpai]

If its a rumor, just make sure you make that explicit in your post so people do not get their hopes up by anything that ends up unofficial. :)

[TheSkeletonMan939]

He's probably gonna get in an assload of trouble for divulging information for plans not to be known for another three years.

[ZariusTwo]

If its a rumor, just make sure you make that explicit in your post so people do not get their hopes up by anything that ends up unofficial. :)

I've made amendments to the first post.

[Powder]

He's not a troll. He's a VIP member of that forum.

You're projecting lables on someone you know nothing about

He's edited the post. He obviosuly said something he shouldn't have.

Okay, fine, but his good standing on a Power Rangers forum doesn't exactly instill me with good faith. & you're right, I know nothing about them, & that is what makes this whole thing a bit silly, to me. That was my point. Anywaaaaayyyyy, if this does prove true, it'd be very cool.

[ZariusTwo]

Okay, fine, but his good standing on a Power Rangers forum doesn't exactly instill me with faith. & you're right, I know nothing about them, which is what makes this whole thing a bit silly, to me. That was my point. Anywaaaaayyyyy, if this does prove true, it'd be very cool.

Sorry for getting hot and bothered with you, I was the twat there...just don't know what to expect sometimes on here. Cool?

[Powder]

Yeah man, I don't have any problems with you. We're fine.

[ZariusTwo]

I probably got a little over-excited, since I had heard rumblings about them maybe doing another crossover, but discussion of that fizzled out everywhere I looked, and with every big company being obsessed with multi-verse stuff, it just seemed to gel with what's currently current. I should have waited this one out, but the guy seems to have put his foot in it and probably won't say anything else now.

[senpai]

No worries, ZariusTwo ^-^ At least we have some sort of idea for what the future might have in store. Thank you for sharing!

[Powder]

As far as I know, the only thing that's been confirmed is another appearance from the Fred Wolf turtles in the Nick series, & that comes straight from the OT turtles' voice cast.

Beyond that, it's all speculation.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Nick would have to try pretty hard to top Turtles Forever, in my opinion.

[ZariusTwo]

The thread in question seems to be changing the subject now. Dang it.

[TigerClaw]

Sounds like they are doing another Turtles Forever type thing, Which should be interesting, If they are gonna show all different universes of TMNT, The Black and White comics, Fred Wolf series, 2k3 series, 2012 series, 90s movies, 2007 movie, & 2014 movie.

[Vicky82]

If true, cool but 2018 seems a long way off for just a tv movie but does this mean the Nick show could go on till then.

[senpai]

I'm all for a huge multi-verse crossover as long as its nothing like Turtles Forever. They made the original turtles out to be really stupid when they weren't...

[TheSkeletonMan939]

They made the original turtles out to be really stupid when they weren't...

Yes, that was annoying.

But the writers for Turtles Forever were really smart and showed in the end that no team of turtles was "better" than the other. Just different strokes.

[Allio]

meh, they felt more in tune with the later seasons than the earliar seasons. Though I think they were more than likely done that way to be the opposite of the Mirage Turtles.

[yellowmario27]

this idea reminds me of this part :lol:

https://youtu.be/lIMr7tOLdk0?t=3m8s

[TigerClaw]

One thing I hope they not do is, When they go to the 80s Turtles, Not do it as a cell shaded cartoon, But rather, Do the 80s turtles style as CGI, I'm sure they can do it, All the different universes, they can do there classic styles, but in CGI form.

[ZariusTwo]

He's back with merchandising and season four info now (http://www.rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=172826&page=9)

It means you'll see more merchandise based on the comics and 2003 series on toy shelves and online. At the moment only the current show, movie and classic cartoon have licensing rights sold.

Nick's 2015 licensing pitch mentioned Season 4 is set in Dimension X, with the Turtles trying to get back home, but it might not be their dimension they return to.

[Autbot_Benz]

Id rather wait for Brandon or Ciro to announce something over some nobody from a power rangers forum

[ZariusTwo]

I remember those photos of the Next Mutation Turtle heads being taken out of a warehouse when they were prepping for the legendary battle in Power Rangers Super Megaforce last season. Turned a few heads there, but amounted to nothing.

Anyway, I asked him this

Any idea on when this news will be confirmed? Licensing Fair? Comic Con?

[Jester]

I wanna say that the Dimension X season 4 info is legit, with Playmates own output of Triceratons, Prof. Honeycutt, and the Dimension X Turtles.

As for the mega-crossover in 2018....that's almost too far to be certain of anything.

[Allio]

*it turns out it really was paramount mikey in that picture

[Venom]

*it turns out it really was paramount mikey in that picture

What picture?

[Metalwolf]

Nick would have to try pretty hard to top Turtles Forever, in my opinion.Yeah they will, by UNDOING IT.

Does anybody besides me actually remember what Crisis on Infinite Earths was all about? It's actually not pretty, for all of the multiverse fans. As such, it was basically this: It was about destroying a bunch of universes to make one single universe, the intent behind this to create a unified continuity.

Basically all of the Turtle universe will be destroyed or melded together, so there will be only one definitive 'Turtleverse' left.

So while one might feel momentary joy at the thought of seeing the OT Turtles again, that feeling might be undone once they are absorbed into the definitive universe, pretty much 'canonically' ceasing to exist.

I've mentioned this on the Season 3 info thread, restating much of what I've said here.

[ZariusTwo]

Some updates (http://www.rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=172826&page=9)

On news being saved for licensing fairs:

The next big shows are in June and October, but unlikely any physical products until 2016/2017. I was at last year's shows and Nick were discussing 2015/2016 product ranges.

[CyberCubed]

At least this confirms the Nick show isn't going away anytime soon. Hah, I knew the show would get at least 7 seasons.

[OrangeNinja1987]

This sounds really awesome, and I do hope it is the finale of the Nick show, because ending in 2018 seems like just the perfect time. Six seasons or so, not too long or too short.
But this info sounds really sketchy. Would a user on a Power Rangers forum (even if he is important on it) be one of the first to get the info on this? A person who would immediately say it online and have to do damage control by later editing that out of his post?
This is a fun rumor to speculate on but I'll believe it when I hear official news on it.
But I'm wondering, why would it be an "Infinite Crisis" storyline? That happened in DC to sort out their hectic shared universe with many different versions of characters, but as for Nick, the older versions of the turtles have had no major impact on the story and their mentions and appearances are merely references. The TMNT Multi-verse has completely separated dimensions and what would have to happen in later seasons to make an annihilation or merging of all TMNT versions necessary?
And I don't see Nick TMNT lasting much past 2018, even if it gets that far. Would this TV movie be separate from the 2012 show and not part of its main storyline? And wouldn't it be pointless to kill all of the other TMNT versions when the 2012 show is at its end and, depending what happens from then on, the next version could just completely ignore that the Infinite Crisis happened? In fact, I think the telling of an Infinite Crisis story is what could mess TMNT's perfectly fine multi-verse in the first place.
I know the show can sometimes depend too much on its references to older versions, but it's a bit extreme to just kill them all. And who would be the audience for that? Not children, not older fans of those versions, not casual viewers who would have no idea what is going on.
And, on a side note, Tigerclaw already battled the OT turtles, because it is shown when he returns to Shredder in Vengeance is Mine (I think that's the episode). Perhaps this small detail could be important if this info is true.

[BubblyShell22]

I can't see why the guy would know something that far in advance when we haven't even gotten confirmation for a fifth season for the show. Sounds more like speculation to me from what I'm reading here. Either that, or he leaked something important that shouldn't have been leaked. Either way, it's interesting to think about having something like this, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions until something concrete is mentioned.

[Metalwolf]

This sounds really awesome, and I do hope it is the finale of the Nick show, because ending in 2018 seems like just the perfect time. Six seasons or so, not too long or too short.
But this info sounds really sketchy. Would a user on a Power Rangers forum (even if he is important on it) be one of the first to get the info on this? A person who would immediately say it online and have to do damage control by later editing that out of his post?
This is a fun rumor to speculate on but I'll believe it when I hear official news on it.
But I'm wondering, why would it be an "Infinite Crisis" storyline? That happened in DC to sort out their hectic shared universe with many different versions of characters, but as for Nick, the older versions of the turtles have had no major impact on the story and their mentions and appearances are merely references. The TMNT Multi-verse has completely separated dimensions and what would have to happen in later seasons to make an annihilation or merging of all TMNT versions necessary?
And I don't see Nick TMNT lasting much past 2018, even if it gets that far. Would this TV movie be separate from the 2012 show and not part of its main storyline? And wouldn't it be pointless to kill all of the other TMNT versions when the 2012 show is at its end and, depending what happens from then on, the next version could just completely ignore that the Infinite Crisis happened? In fact, I think the telling of an Infinite Crisis story is what could mess TMNT's perfectly fine multi-verse in the first place.
I know the show can sometimes depend too much on its references to older versions, but it's a bit extreme to just kill them all. And who would be the audience for that? Not children, not older fans of those versions, not casual viewers who would have no idea what is going on.
And, on a side note, Tigerclaw already battled the OT turtles, because it is shown when he returns to Shredder in Vengeance is Mine (I think that's the episode). Perhaps this small detail could be important if this info is true.

That is what I said earlier. An 'Infanite Crisis' story-line will wipe out most of the 'universes/dimensions' of Turtledom. I think most likely it's because people here haven't been born when Infinite Crisis came out, so are just thinking 'Woo hoo, more chances at seeing the 80's Turtles again' instead of a multi-verse ending event. It's kind of hilarious actually, people ignorantly cheering for the end of multiple dimensions, even as it in itself would bring me no greater joy then to see that happen.

Irony is awsome, isn't it ‡D

[newhire13]

I'm sure they are just referring to the team up aspect and high stakes of Infinite Crisis. Doesn't mean it's going to end with the same results.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

So basically Turtles Forever V2?

[Metalwolf]

I'm sure they are just referring to the team up aspect and high stakes of Infinite Crisis. Doesn't mean it's going to end with the same results.

Then why not just refer to it as a sort of Turtles Forever 2? That had high stakes too and a team-up of three universes, yet nothing I know of refers to it as Crisis-like. I'm wondering if, this rumor turns out to be true, that this could be something planned by Viacom to 'erase' all of the other prior iterations from canon so it can say it has the only 'definitive' version of the franchise. Hasbro sort of does the same thing for Transformers every few years, even though it owned the franchise for 30 years, while Disney outright declared a lot of Expanded Universe 'non-canon' as soon as they bought Star Wars, nd a lot of that had been around since 1977. Heck, the Aliens franchise appears about to declare Aliens 3 and Alien: Resurrection 'non-canon,' and they were both considered 'canon' for years. Even Jurassic World appears like it will ignore the events of the movie or so, going directly off of the events of the first.

It's not unheard of now for these kinds of companies to metaphorically 'mark their territory,' which is why I am saying it. While I hate the idea of a 'multiverse' for TMNT, I don't want any of the iterations 'uncanonised.'* Ages ago before all of these seeming reboots I would likely say that you were likely right, but Viacom could easily follow in this trend and wipe the slate clean, so it can symbolically be the only corporation with the 'real' Turtles.






*To explain, to me it feels like a 'multiverse' is used in this franchise as a bad attempt to keep old TMNT iterations 'relevant.' This way doesn't really feel like it's paying them any respect, because it shows no confidence in these versions to independently be good in their own rights, without artificially tying them together. It's also become a long overused comic book cliche that comes off as overtly fanwanky, which is why I never liked seeing it for TMNT. It risks making it feel like the Marvel and DC comics, where no character actually feels 'special' anymore, since there are now a million versions of him that can interact with each other when the story calls for it.

[CyberCubed]

Nick isn't going to erase continuities from existence, its just a big crossover again if it happens at all.

[Technodrone]

Yes, that was annoying.

But the writers for Turtles Forever were really smart and showed in the end that no team of turtles was "better" than the other. Just different strokes.

Did we watch the same "Turtles Forever"? The whole thing was geared at cutting down the 1980's cartoon and patting the 2003 turtles on the back. Nickelodeon could literally crap in a bag, pour kerosene on said bag, and light it on fire and the collective entertainment value be a million times better than Turtles Forever. I actually have Turtles Forever as the worst TMNT movie I've seen (worse than TMNT 3 and the 2014 Michael Bay monstrosity). I seriously will not watch it again because it was such an abomination.

IMO, Nickelodeon would do justice to all universes like they did in Wormquake. Seems they're not about patting themselves on the back and cutting others down. I only wish they would get somebody, ANYBODY other than Michael Bay to take over the movies.

[neatoman]

Did we watch the same "Turtles Forever"? The whole thing was geared at cutting down the 1980's cartoon and patting the 2003 turtles on the back. Nickelodeon could literally crap in a bag, pour kerosene on said bag, and light it on fire and the collective entertainment value be a million times better than Turtles Forever. I actually have Turtles Forever as the worst TMNT movie I've seen (worse than TMNT 3 and the 2014 Michael Bay monstrosity). I seriously will not watch it again because it was such an abomination.

IMO, Nickelodeon would do justice to all universes like they did in Wormquake. Seems they're not about patting themselves on the back and cutting others down. I only wish they would get somebody, ANYBODY other than Michael Bay to take over the movies.

Oh for god's sake, Turtles Forever made fun of an old toy commercial that nobody can deny had serious problems to begin with, who in their right mind cares?

[CyberCubed]

Did we watch the same "Turtles Forever"? The whole thing was geared at cutting down the 1980's cartoon and patting the 2003 turtles on the back. Nickelodeon could literally crap in a bag, pour kerosene on said bag, and light it on fire and the collective entertainment value be a million times better than Turtles Forever. I actually have Turtles Forever as the worst TMNT movie I've seen (worse than TMNT 3 and the 2014 Michael Bay monstrosity). I seriously will not watch it again because it was such an abomination.
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LOL, Turtles Forever was one of the best TMNT animated products ever, and it also simultaneously worked as a good series finale for the 4kids series. You have a pretty sad and disturbed reaction to something that was done well all around.

And I say this as a huge fan of the original cartoon myself.

[Allio]

Did we watch the same "Turtles Forever"? The whole thing was geared at cutting down the 1980's cartoon and patting the 2003 turtles on the back. Nickelodeon could literally crap in a bag, pour kerosene on said bag, and light it on fire and the collective entertainment value be a million times better than Turtles Forever. I actually have Turtles Forever as the worst TMNT movie I've seen (worse than TMNT 3 and the 2014 Michael Bay monstrosity). I seriously will not watch it again because it was such an abomination.


Sure the turtles themselves were exaggerated, but everything else 87 related was fantastic. Heck, the fourth wall breaking jokes were the best in the film.

[Metalwolf]

Did we watch the same "Turtles Forever"? The whole thing was geared at cutting down the 1980's cartoon and patting the 2003 turtles on the back. Nickelodeon could literally crap in a bag, pour kerosene on said bag, and light it on fire and the collective entertainment value be a million times better than Turtles Forever. I actually have Turtles Forever as the worst TMNT movie I've seen (worse than TMNT 3 and the 2014 Michael Bay monstrosity). I seriously will not watch it again because it was such an abomination.

IMO, Nickelodeon would do justice to all universes like they did in Wormquake. Seems they're not about patting themselves on the back and cutting others down. I only wish they would get somebody, ANYBODY other than Michael Bay to take over the movies.

Aside from me, I'm afraid we both seem to be a minority opinion here on how we feel about Turtles Forever, simply because most people here seem to be so desperate to see 80's Turtles anything, that they will gladly overlook how badly it eagerly craps on them.

This sounds strange, but I'm so glad to find another person not blind to the many serious faults in this movie, and not praising it as if it was the best thing ever in TMNT. I consider the 90's movie to be the best movie (with SOTO a distant second) since it tries to lovingly build a world, not go out of it's way to underhandedly mock another one .

If you ever want to vent about this movie after seeing all of the gush-fests it recives, drop me a PM and I will gladly rip this movie apart with you. Like you, I also hate this movie very much, I consider it (like you) to be the worst TMNT movies ever, even beneath Bayturtles. One thing I am noticing about Nick though, is that it looks like it's quietly 'over-writing' Turtles Forever. As you might have seen, the 80's portrayal in Nick was not anything like TF's portrayal of them, and it even refered to the 80's iteration as a 'dimension' and not 'universe.' And Tigerclaw became a 80's styled cartoon when he visited that dimension, yet in TF nobody's 'drawn appearence' even changed to match when they visited a different universe. It might be that they didn't like the way the old toon was portrayed either, so maybe this is their way of silently 'de-canonizing' it.

[senpai]

So basically Turtles Forever V2?

No, dude, don't say that. :teek:

[Technodrone]

Aside from me, I'm afraid we both seem to be a minority opinion here on how we feel about Turtles Forever, simply because most people here seem to be so desperate to see 80's Turtles anything, that they will gladly overlook how badly it eagerly craps on them.

This sounds strange, but I'm so glad to find another person not blind to the many serious faults in this movie, and not praising it as if it was the best thing ever in TMNT. I consider the 90's movie to be the best movie (with SOTO a distant second) since it tries to lovingly build a world, not go out of it's way to underhandedly mock another one .

If you ever want to vent about this movie after seeing all of the gush-fests it recives, drop me a PM and I will gladly rip this movie apart with you. Like you, I also hate this movie very much, I consider it (like you) to be the worst TMNT movies ever, even beneath Bayturtles. One thing I am noticing about Nick though, is that it looks like it's quietly 'over-writing' Turtles Forever. As you might have seen, the 80's portrayal in Nick was not anything like TF's portrayal of them, and it even refered to the 80's iteration as a 'dimension' and not 'universe.' And Tigerclaw became a 80's styled cartoon when he visited that dimension, yet in TF nobody's 'drawn appearence' even changed to match when they visited a different universe. It might be that they didn't like the way the old toon was portrayed either, so maybe this is their way of silently 'de-canonizing' it.

I feel you. Nice not being alone on this issue. I also agree that the 90's movie is the best, followed by SOTO. I remember in Forever, they went out of their way to make it so even lighthearted 2003 Michaelangelo said on multiple occasions that they ('87 turtles) were annoying and didn't take anything seriously. That and the phrase "What the shell!" or some variation of it was used literally 6 times. While I wouldn't necessarily refer to Shredder or Krang '87 as formidable (compared to other incarnations), the fact that they got beat up by a limbless Utrom Shredder (outside the body shell) was completely ridiculous. They openly mocked the Technodrome, the party wagon, and the blimp. The only parts I liked were how they treated '87 Splinter with respect, as well as how grisly the comic turtles were. Beyond that, the 4kids peeps took themselves WAAAAY too seriously and made no apologies in ripping apart the '87 turtles. The irony is that the 2003 turtles wouldn't even have existed had the '87 turtles not elevated the franchise to a whole new level. I get that Eastman and Laird hated how that cartoon made light of their vision, but their product probably never would've enjoyed the success it has if not for the '87 turtles cartoon putting them on the map.

[Leo656]

Why do people glorify the FW cartoon so much that they actually get offended by the way Turtles Forever took a few pokes at it?

It was exaggerated for comedic effect, yes, but for crying out loud it wasn't THAT far off the mark in any respect. The entire point of the thing was to show contrast. The 2K3 TMNT were the relative "straight men" of the story; if the OT TMNT weren't played for laughs, there'd be no contrast, and the story would be super boring. "Oh, look, two Leos... and other than their voices and slight differences in art style, they're exactly the same." Wow, that sure sounds like fun. :roll: That'd definitely justify the expense of the entire project, by making a bland and cliched team-up story.

So much of the Fred Wolf cartoon was self-parody in the first place... and people seriously get offended by how this movie cranked it up one single notch? I don't get it. I get people like the show. I get that, for most of us, we'd never be fans without it and thus, it gets put on a pedestal and people don't like to admit it had stuff about it that's silly or even cringe-worthy. But TF was honestly pretty on the ball. People really shouldn't take it as an insult, it was a good-natured poke in the ribs and that's all it was.

Geez, I can just imagine if they'd somehow gotten the original voice cast to be in Turtles Forever; these people complaining would be raging about how they "sold out" and "betrayed the franchise", instead of just having fun with it and getting paid to do so. Lucky we dodged that bullet.

[neatoman]

While I wouldn't necessarily refer to Shredder or Krang '87 as formidable (compared to other incarnations), the fact that they got beat up by a limbless Utrom Shredder (outside the body shell) was completely ridiculous.

Well in all fairness, it's not like they had not been defeated in absurd ways before. I just watched an episode that ends with them running away for no good reason and then they were flushed away.

They openly mocked the Technodrome, the party wagon, and the blimp.

You don't actually take the Technodrome seriously, do you? Aside from having almost exclusively been potrayed as a useless wreck throughout the series (it was, don't lie), it has an utterly laughable design. A giant disco ball on treads with a bunch of forks and an eye sticking out.

[Leo656]

So blatantly over-the-top and impractical. :lol: A "Death Star Tank" that required so much power to operate it was basically a gigantic spherical brick for most of the show's run. Gotta love it.

[neatoman]

So blatantly over-the-top and impractical. :lol: A "Death Star Tank" that required so much power to operate it was basically a gigantic spherical brick for most of the show's run. Gotta love it.

Yeah exactly! It's unintentionally hilarious.

Shredder and Krang literally spent entire seasons trying to get that thing out of whatever hell hole it was stuck in at the time. When they finally did get it operational again, what happened? Someone pushed a few buttons or something that launched it into some other hell hole, again forcing them to spend yet another season trying to find a way to wedge it loose.

[Leo656]

Shredder (to Krang): "You do realize it's 1987, and discount Soviet military surplus is dirt cheap right now? I mean... we can get a top-quality Russian tank, slightly used, for like... sixty, seventy bucks, and really do some major damage. Do we NEED this stupid thing? All we ever do is sit here!" :lol:

[neatoman]

Shredder (to Krang): "You do realize it's 1987, and discount Soviet military surplus is dirt cheap right now? I mean... we can get a top-quality Russian tank, slightly used, for like... sixty, seventy bucks, and really do some major damage. Do we NEED this stupid thing? All we ever do is sit here!" :lol:

Hahahaha! Like you dude!:D

Yeah it's kind of shocking the writers kept the Technodrome around for 8 seasons, it probably lost any credibility as a threat somewhere in season 3.

[Technodrone]

You don't actually take the Technodrome seriously, do you?

I mean, have you played the nes game boss fight against the Technodrome? It's hella tough, brah.

[neatoman]

I mean, have you played the nes game boss fight against the Technodrome? It's hella tough, brah.

The game is not an episode of the show, it does not matter how hard that boss fight is because it did not happen in the show. Within the show itself, do you take the Technodrome seriously?

[Technodrone]

The game is not an episode of the show, it does not matter how hard that boss fight is because it did not happen in the show. Within the show itself, do you take the Technodrome seriously?

LULZ, I was being sarcastic about the game.

[Metalwolf]

Why do people glorify the FW cartoon so much that they actually get offended by the way Turtles Forever took a few pokes at it?

For me, I don't glorify the Fred Wolf Turtles, as the Nick Turtles are currently my favorites as far as TMNT cartoons. However, I never liked the glib way they based them off of the worst and goofiest seasons of them while going out of their way to make their Turtles look the most sane and reasonable.

It's the equivalent of making a movie about the Simpsons or Spongebob using only the worst seasons as a guide (after flanderization and seasonal rot has set in) and then proudly declaring to the world 'This is an accurate portrayal of them.' Of course those seasons are just as much true seasons as the earlier and better ones, but knowing the quality went down and still using them anyway, would that really be a respectful way of handling someone else's work?

[Technodrone]

For me, I don't glorify the Fred Wolf Turtles, as the Nick Turtles are currently my favorites as far as TMNT cartoons. However, I never liked the glib way they based them off of the worst and goofiest seasons of them while going out of their way to make their Turtles look the most sane and reasonable.

It's the equivalent of making a movie about the Simpsons or Spongebob using only the worst seasons as a guide (after flanderization and seasonal rot has set in) and then proudly declaring to the world 'This is an accurate portrayal of them.' Of course those seasons are just as much true seasons as the earlier and better ones, but knowing the quality went down and still using them anyway, would that really be a respectful way of handling someone else's work?

Well said. It's very disrespectful to present a paradigm of someone else's work in such an insulting fashion. Someone brought up how you need contrast between the two sets of turtles. Okay. Maybe hire a writer competent enough to distinguish them without making one set the butt of all jokes in the movie.

[CyberCubed]

Shredder/Krang getting beat up by Ch'rell makes perfect sense. Do you even watch the original cartoon at all?

[neatoman]

LULZ, I was being sarcastic about the game.

I know, you still haven't answered my question. Did you take the Technodrome seriously?

For me, I don't glorify the Fred Wolf Turtles, as the Nick Turtles are currently my favorites as far as TMNT cartoons. However, I never liked the glib way they based them off of the worst and goofiest seasons of them while going out of their way to make their Turtles look the most sane and reasonable.

It's the equivalent of making a movie about the Simpsons or Spongebob using only the worst seasons as a guide (after flanderization and seasonal rot has set in) and then proudly declaring to the world 'This is an accurate portrayal of them.' Of course those seasons are just as much true seasons as the earlier and better ones, but knowing the quality went down and still using them anyway, would that really be a respectful way of handling someone else's work?

The goofiness was in full effect in season 3, although it start in season 2 and it did have some clear goofiness in season 1. Season 3-7 have a total of 151 episodes, that's the bulk of the series, I'm pretty sure you can judge any show based on the majority of the episodes. In fact, it's probably more accurate than just basing it on what's considered the good parts.

As for your Simpsons comparison, most people seem to agree the bad era of Simpsons began around season 10. From season 10 up until now there has been 368 episodes, it's once again the bulk of the series and it would be accurate to judge it by that..

[Leo656]

Aaaaaaand it's just a little "snapshot" of that universe and not a definitive judgment/declaration on it. People read too much into it. It was funny and it was harmless. Does anyone really think people are making entire judgments about the old cartoon based on the little bit that was lampooned in Turtles Forever? Is there, like, one person out there who never saw the old cartoon, and was on the fence about it, and decided not to ever watch it, because they saw how TF poked a little fun at it? If so... man, I ain't even worried about what they think, they got bigger problems.

"Satire" is a thing and it's a perfectly valid and glorious form of expression and even love. And you simply cannot celebrate the Fred Wolf cartoon in any way with a straight face and NOT make fun of it a little at the same time. It makes fun of itself! Do you think the people who made the show had their feelings hurt when they saw or heard about TF? I highly doubt it, and I'd hope not. They're all, like, middle aged and beyond, generally successful people. They shouldn't worry about such petty nonsense.

I get that it's fans "jobs" to defend things they love, but oh, man, do people over-sell the "damage" TF supposedly did to the OT and its reputation.

[Technodrone]

I get that it's fans "jobs" to defend things they love, but oh, man, do people over-sell the "damage" TF supposedly did to the OT and its reputation.

And yet you can't see the irony of how worked up you (and some others) are getting defending TF from two people who didn't like it? I've got one person who will not relent until I give an answer as to whether or not I take the Technodrome seriously and another person who insists the FW show made fun of itself. This huge counter-defensive stems from me simply saying I disliked the TF movie because the tenor was insulting to the FW cartoon (which, gauging from the numerous pot shots it took, I would not be wrong). But hey, that's just like my opinion, man. If it's bothering you THAT much, I guess I could just act like that lone person who sits quietly, smiles and nods politely toward the group of angry zealots espousing their opposing beliefs. Maybe even fictitiously take up the call myself.

Turtles Forever... Best...err...movie...ungh... EVER!

'Scuse me folks. I need to go bathe now.

[Leo656]

Holy sh*t, all I said was "I don't get it, here's why." Settle down, kid.

[neatoman]

I've got one person who will not relent until I give an answer as to whether or not I take the Technodrome seriously

I asked you that because you didn't like the insult towards the Technodrome. However, since the Technodrome is nothing but an ugly pile of scrap metal, it's not worth taking seriously and therefore insulting it should not be a big deal.

[Refractive Reflections]

Why do people glorify the FW cartoon so much that they actually get offended by the way Turtles Forever took a few pokes at it?

It was exaggerated for comedic effect, yes, but for crying out loud it wasn't THAT far off the mark in any respect. The entire point of the thing was to show contrast. The 2K3 TMNT were the relative "straight men" of the story; if the OT TMNT weren't played for laughs, there'd be no contrast, and the story would be super boring. "Oh, look, two Leos... and other than their voices and slight differences in art style, they're exactly the same." Wow, that sure sounds like fun. :roll: That'd definitely justify the expense of the entire project, by making a bland and cliched team-up story.

So much of the Fred Wolf cartoon was self-parody in the first place... and people seriously get offended by how this movie cranked it up one single notch? I don't get it. I get people like the show. I get that, for most of us, we'd never be fans without it and thus, it gets put on a pedestal and people don't like to admit it had stuff about it that's silly or even cringe-worthy. But TF was honestly pretty on the ball. People really shouldn't take it as an insult, it was a good-natured poke in the ribs and that's all it was.

Geez, I can just imagine if they'd somehow gotten the original voice cast to be in Turtles Forever; these people complaining would be raging about how they "sold out" and "betrayed the franchise", instead of just having fun with it and getting paid to do so. Lucky we dodged that bullet.

It's not necessarily putting on a pedestal, and of course it always had self-deprecating humor, and it is almost expected to show exaggeration to show a contrast, but the point of contention is the incompetence and cowardly fear over fighting that the OT Turtles were portrayed in Turtles Forever which contradicts as to why some children would want to have emulated them (aka "hero worship") in the first place. Or in other words, being sissies (almost like Vernon) when the situation prompted them to fight, and how they needed the 2K3 Turtles to lecture them about the seriousness of fighting despite the series subtly discussing about death at times (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=43051).

[GoldMutant]

I'm all for a massive crossover for the franchise and judging by it, this seems more like a series finale. I also had an idea for it, but no self advertising. :lol:

Anyways, like others said, I'd rather wait on more information related to this. Last thing wanted is to have so much hype only to be disappointed in the end. (Kinda like Ninja Turtles 3) Whether it outdos Turtles Forever or is simply a finale with the 2012 characters in a massive plot that becomes a big love letter to fans of the whole franchise to wrap up the show remains to be seen. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Xav]

IMO, Nickelodeon would do justice to all universes like they did in Wormquake. Seems they're not about patting themselves on the back and cutting others down.Right because the Nick Turtles calling the FW Turtles dorks, or Tigerclaw kicking their asses wasn't cutting them down. :roll:

[Technodrone]

Right because the Nick Turtles calling the FW Turtles dorks, or Tigerclaw kicking their asses wasn't cutting them down. :roll:

Michaelangelo made one comment about them looking like dorks. Nickelodeon didn't portray them as cowardly or incapable of being serious.

Help me out here. When did Tiger Claw fight the FW turtles in the Nickelodeon series? Not saying it didn't happen but that doesn't sound familiar at all. What I do recall is Tiger Claw kicked everyone else's asses in that episode so it's just par for the course if he did kick the FW turtles' asses as well.

[CyberCubed]

What is so hard about this? I'm a huge fan of the original cartoon and the Turtles were always portrayed as not as good fighters as the other TMNT. It didn't matter in that series because the villains were equally incompetent.

[Technodrone]

What is so hard about this? I'm a huge fan of the original cartoon and the Turtles were always portrayed as not as good fighters as the other TMNT. It didn't matter in that series because the villains were equally incompetent.

Nothing's hard about it. We're just calling a spade a spade. When were they portrayed as "not as good fighters"? They studied ninjutsu and practiced stealth techniques just like every other version. Where does the "not as good" part come into play? Did they study the abridged "not as good" ninjutsu book? Did Yoshi hone his craft at the "not as good" dojo?

[Metalwolf]

It's not necessarily putting on a pedestal, and of course it always had self-deprecating humor, and it is almost expected to show exaggeration to show a contrast, but the point of contention is the incompetence and cowardly fear over fighting that the OT Turtles were portrayed in Turtles Forever which contradicts as to why some children would want to have emulated them (aka "hero worship") in the first place. Or in other words, being sissies (almost like Vernon) when the situation prompted them to fight, and how they needed the 2K3 Turtles to lecture them about the seriousness of fighting despite the series subtly discussing about death at times (http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=43051).Exactly.

Right because the Nick Turtles calling the FW Turtles dorks, or Tigerclaw kicking their asses wasn't cutting them down. :roll:Actually, it was only Mikey calling them dorks, while Donny was happily oggling 80's April from afar.

And even though Tigerclaw rushed to go fight them, the 80's Turtles never showed any fear about coming after him (an unknown enemy) or the giant worm (another unknown kind of enemy) while if it was TF they would be cowering and frightened.

@Cubed- I did see the OT, even the goofy seasons, and the Turtles didn't act cowardly or so goofy they appeared stupid, but knowingly gave cornball jokes while also having fun saying them. There is a difference between joking around, and being the joke. One implies an attemp at wit and cleverness in delivery, the other implies the subject is an incompetent buffoon. When the Turtles delivered their goofy lines you could almost see the creators winking at the audience, but in TF you could almost see the derision.

[Technogeek29]

~Reads commets~

So were back on this again huh? But wait, were missing a guest? I give it a couple more posts.

[Allio]

I just hope the event won't be like Spider-Verse with TMNT

[pennydreadful]

We're arguing over Turtles Forever again?

I think we need to create an official Technodrome Forum Drinking Game.

Take one drink when:

- someone spells Raph as "Ralph" or Mikey as "Mickey"

Take two drinks when:
- someone uses the "true fan" argument
- someone uses the word "butthurt" in conjunction with BayTurtles
- someone is offended by Turtles Forever

Take three drinks when:
- someone gets busted for having fake accounts

:tlol:

[Technogeek29]

We're arguing over Turtles Forever again?

I think we need to create an official Technodrome Forum Drinking Game.

Take one drink when:

- someone spells Raph as "Ralph" or Mikey as "Mickey"

Take two drinks when:
- someone uses the "true fan" argument
- someone uses the word "butthurt" in conjunction with BayTurtles
- someone is offended by Turtles Forever

Take three drinks when:
- someone gets busted for having fake accounts

:tlol:


That's a lot of shots my friend.