Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2′ Casts Brian Tee as Shredder

[Vicky82]

Ok I'm confused

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/tmnt-2-shredder-brian-tee-1201480798/

“Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2″ has cast Brian Tee (“The Wolverine”) as iconic villain Shredder, Variety has learned exclusively.

He’ll join Megan Fox (April O’Neil), Will Arnett (Vern Fenwick), Stephen Amell (Casey Jones) and Tyler Perry (Baxter Stockman) in the Paramount sequel. Michael Bay will once again produce with his Platinum Dunes partners Brad Fuller and Andrew Form. David Green is set to direct from a script by Josh Appelbaum and André Nemec.

The 2014 reboot of the beloved franchise brought in more than $485 million worldwide on a budget of $125 million. Tohoru Masamune played the villain in the 2014 movie.

Tee recently finished filming NBC drama pilot “Love is a 4 Letter Word” from director George Tillman Jr. and writer/producer Diana Son. He’ll next be seen in Universal’s “Jurassic World,” playing the role of Takashi Hamada.

Tee is repped by Abrams Artists Agency, manager Lisa DiSante-Frank, Sabrina Hutchinson Public Relations and attorney Mark Johnson of Behr, Abramson, Levy.

“Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2″ will hit theaters on June 3, 2016.

[TigerClaw]

Oh man, I posted about this the same time you did, and I cant delete the thread.

[Jester]

Oh man, I posted about this the same time you did, and I cant delete the thread.
Done .

[Candy Kappa]

Interesting. Maybe the ooze from the canister he broke in the first film rejuvenated and healed his scars? Hopefully this means Oroku Saki appearance in a suit and just just him running around in his Shredder exoskeleton.

[Andrew NDB]

Not entirely surprising. They were in a rush to find an Oroku Saki that would pass at a glance during the first "film"'s reshoots... now they probably want to actually have an Oroku Saki with better acting chops. To better order around Bebop and Rocksteady or talk about turtle soup again or whatever further wackiness is planned that I have no interest in.

Mr. Tee was pretty fun and venomous as the villain in Tokyo Drift. If this was a real Turtles movie I wouldn't be against him at all... with this, I just pity him.

[bushido]

Why not keep the same actor ? What a mess !

Edit : Agree with you Andrew NDB. That's a good explanation.

[turtlefanforever]

Such a star studded cast, such a sh*tty script. It's movie 43 all over again

[Galactus]

Ok I'm confused

What's so confusing about it? They've recast the character is all.

While I generally enjoyed Tohoru Masamune in the role and liked the fact he was the only one who did actual research into the franchise, not that anyone would listen to him but I really liked that if he had his way he'd have liked to see the full Saki origin from the original comics but the fact that he was quickly cast at the last minute as essentially a minor role (which is what Shredder was in the finished product) I think there was always a danger they'd procure a bigger name for the sequel.

Of course there's something of an irony of them ditching an actor who hasn't done much mainstream work when the director is someone who hasn't done much mainstream work.

[Vicky82]

What's so confusing about it? They've recast the character is all.

While I generally enjoyed Tohoru Masamune in the role and liked the fact he was the only one who did actual research into the franchise, not that anyone would listen to him but I really liked that if he had his way he'd have liked to see the full Saki origin from the original comics but the fact that he was quickly cast at the last minute as essentially a minor role (which is what Shredder was in the finished product) I think there was always a danger they'd procure a bigger name for the sequel.

Of course there's something of an irony of them ditching an actor who hasn't done much mainstream work when the director is someone who hasn't done much mainstream work.

I didn't expect Shredder to be re casted and thought Tohoru Masamune was returning.

Can they recast April next :D

[Powder]

What happened to Tohoru Masamune? Too bad, he seemed very grateful to have the role, & I liked him in it, bad script aside. This guy's good, but like Andrew said, it's a waste of talent.

[TigerClaw]

I'm not familiar with Brian Tee, I hope hes good with the martial arts, Considering hes playing such a high profile role.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm not familiar with Brian Tee, I hope hes good with the martial arts, Considering hes playing such a high profile role.

He's played Liu Kang from Mortal Kombat. He'll be fine.

[TigerClaw]

He's played Liu Kang from Mortal Kombat. He'll be fine.
Oh, From the Mortal Kombat webseries? I haven't seen the 2nd season of that.

[IndigoErth]

Shredder, you're so young!

Wait, wait... this guy is still in his 30s and we're to recall he raised William Fichtner's character, Eric Sacks.

https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1390222376/8170269.gif

He might make a good Shredder, it's nothing against him at all. But seriously, screw it, clearly we're dealing with an alien Krang Shredder here.

[TigerClaw]

This is interesting, Cause all this echoes what happened with Secret of the Ooze, Since they recast the Shredder in that.

[CyberCubed]

At least he's Asian. Every time I think about how bad this movie franchise is, I still "thank god" they didn't go with the white Eric Sachs Shredder.

[Powder]

Supposedly the original dude was confirmed weeks back, right? & this dude's a lot younger? Are we supposed to believe that the mutagen, rather than turning him into Super Shredder, made him youthful & stronger? :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

Supposedly the original dude was confirmed weeks back, right? & this dude's a lot younger? Are we supposed to believe that the mutagen, rather than turning him into Super Shredder, made him youthful & stronger? :tlol:
Maybe we won't see his face either, The last Shredder, We couldn't see his face, since they intentionally hid it with low lighting.

[IndigoErth]

Maybe we're seeing him as younger Shredder in flashbacks?




Anti-aging mutagen, the new "stupid rich" scheme. Oil of Shredder Olay.

[newhire13]

I wonder if he'll be Oroku Saki and if they'll say The Shredder from movie 1 was his grandfather or father or something. This movie already feels like a soft reboot.

[MrTMNT2012]

Such a star studded cast, such a sh*tty script. It's movie 43 all over again

When was the script leaked? Does anyone have a link? ...:roll:

[pennydreadful]

What is it with BayTurtles throwing actors under the bus with this series?

I mean, the guy who played Baxter in the last one was recast, Tohoru Masamune has been recast, Pete Ploszek got hipchecked out of the way with his voice acting for Leo in favor of Knoxville, and Danny Woodburn got the same treatment with Tony Shalhoub.

Makes you wonder who's going to be next on the chopping block.

[Jester]

What is it with BayTurtles throwing actors under the bus with this series?

I mean, the guy who played Baxter in the last one was recast, Tohoru Masamune has been recast, Pete Ploszek got hipchecked out of the way with his voice acting for Leo in favor of Knoxville, and Danny Woodburn got the same treatment with Tony Shalhoub.

Makes you wonder who's going to be next on the chopping block.
Megan Fox.....PLEASE be Megan Fox!

[Autbot_Benz]

Megan Fox.....PLEASE be Megan Fox!

agreed just replace her with a plank of wood.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Megan Fox.....PLEASE be Megan Fox!

👆What he said!

[Jester]

agreed just replace her with a plank of wood.

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[Xiewin]

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I laughed so hard that it hurt.

[IndigoErth]

Why do I have a feeling that, if there ends up being multiple films, this is going to be a revolving door in Hollywood; that keeps turning until everyone gets their chance. Passed around like that shell shocked song suggested.

[TigerClaw]

For those not familiar with Brian Tee, Check him out as Liu Kang in Mortal Kombat Legacy 2.

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[Allio]

if they play it smart, they could write the first shredder off as Oroku Nagi

[Bry]

Shredder, you're so young!

Wait, wait... this guy is still in his 30s and we're to recall he raised William Fichtner's character, Eric Sacks.

https://p.gr-assets.com/540x540/fit/hostedimages/1390222376/8170269.gif

Hey, 38-year-olds raise 58-year-olds all the time! :trazz:

So, wow. They've actually hired a few actors who seem halfway appropriate for their roles! So can we just reboot this already and not waste the talent?

[oldmanwinters]

So at this point we've had three different actors cast as Shredder and the 2nd movie haven't even filmed yet! Who knows, we might get a 4th guy cast in the role before it finally gets released!

[TigerClaw]

The recasting of Shredder doesn't bother me, Cause Shredder was recast in Secret of the Ooze. and that turned out ok.

Btw, Brian Tee can currently be seen in Jurassic World, When it comes out.

[NinjaPug]

This has to be a different version of the Shredder we got in the 1st movie, right?

[TigerClaw]

This new Shredder should be better, Since this actor can do martial arts, Perhaps we will see him wearing a more stripped down version of the armor, and not be CGI.

[IndigoErth]

Would be nice, but wouldn't hold my breath on that. Either way we're still dealing with film makers who are the "go big or go home/bigger is better" sorts that don't understand subtlety or how to make it work.

[Redeemer]

I wonder if he'll be Oroku Saki and if they'll say The Shredder from movie 1 was his grandfather or father or something. This movie already feels like a soft reboot.

Or they could go IDW route Shredder uses the ooze to rejuvenate and make himself immortal

[TurtleTitan97]

So wait, if this guy is the Shredder......who the heck was the other guy? Some random old Japanese guy??? :tconfuse:

[TurtleMikey]

This has to be a different version of the Shredder we got in the 1st movie, right?

Yes and no. It's clearly meant to be the same guy, but we'll likely see them retcon some things to give Shredder and Splinter their shared history.

We'll probably get some ******** plot point where Splinter wasn't learning from the ninjitsu book in the original; he was remembering.

But then again, we could have a Trevor Slattery/Aldrich Killian, Mandarin type situation.

In that film, those two knuckleheads stole the idea and legend of The Mandarin, and used it for their own personal gain. Of course, that came back to bite Slattery in the ass in the "All Hail The King" short, when agents for the TRUE Mandarin kidnapped Slattery so he could have a "talk" with him.

So yeah, I guess it is possible we'll see the real Shredder (the one pictured in Eric Sach's mural, or an ancestor) appear.

[Xav]

This new Shredder should be better, Since this actor can do martial arts, Perhaps we will see him wearing a more stripped down version of the armor, and not be CGI.Yeah because Tohoru Masamune couldn't have possibly done martial arts.

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[Tora]

It could work in the story. Maybe Shredder got badly hurt in the last one so his younger brother takes up the mantel til Nagi is healthy enough to return. It would serve as a way for Sachs to have tension with the younger Shredder. A line could be put in the film about Eric taking a name that is a bastardized version of Saki would also help with why it sounds so similar to his mentors last/first name.

Or the rejuvenated route also works plus seeing how they like to sell toys my bet is on a standard Shredder so that they can sell a new fig and can save the budget for Rocksteady and Bebop.

Also Casey is gonna need a human to fight in this so why not Shredder and Human Bebop and Rocksteady.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Wow. Okay, why not.

Soft reboot for everyone. This could either be really good or really bad. And I don't mean Shredder's actor, but the soft reboot aspect in general.

At least maybe we'll get the name "Oroku Saki" mentioned once in this movie. :trolleye:

[sethmartin]

I'm thinking he'll be the original Shredder's younger brother or son. Hopefully he fights a lot.

[Shark_Blade]

Awesome, so Shredder returns.

Hope Megan Fox will kick his ass again, this time for good. :tcool: And more epic battles with the turtles.

[Jester]

Wow. Okay, why not.

Soft reboot for everyone. This could either be really good or really bad. And I don't mean Shredder's actor, but the soft reboot aspect in general.

At least maybe we'll get the name "Oroku Saki" mentioned once in this movie. :trolleye:

I'm thinking he'll be the original Shredder's younger brother or son. Hopefully he fights a lot.
Maybe......1st movie's Shredder is Oroku Nagi, and the new Shredder in this film is his brother Saki. Like OhMy said, he's never referred to as Saki...and Seth may have a point that it'll be his brother....much like in the comics.


Oh god.....they can claim the comics as a source now....

[NYShell]

Awesome, so Shredder returns.

Hope Megan Fox will kick his ass again, this time for good. :tcool:

"SHREDDER!" Yeah, I'll pass on that.

[Autbot_Benz]

Awesome, so Shredder returns.

Hope Megan Fox will kick his ass again, this time for good. :tcool: And more epic battles with the turtles.

how about the Turtles kick Shredder's ass not Cardboard megan o niel

[TrickOrTreater]

What the f*ck is this movie.

[IndigoErth]

Hope Megan Fox will kick his ass again, this time for good.
She does that, I will find a way to climb into that screen and throw her off a building. Then lovingly scold the Turtles for not tossing her off the first time.

[Xav]

Maybe......1st movie's Shredder is Oroku Nagi, and the new Shredder in this film is his brother Saki.Do you really think the writers of this movie even know who Oroku Nagi is?

[neatoman]

Sucks to be Tohoru Masamune. Yeah sure, his performance in the last one wasn't much to write home about, but that was for last minute reshoots, I'm sure he could have done a better job if he had been there from the start.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Awesome, so Shredder returns.

Hope Megan Fox will kick his ass again, this time for good. :tcool: And more epic battles with the turtles.

Do we even know if Megan Fox will return in this movie?

[Bitsy83]

Sooooo....they're pulling an "Iron Man 2" on us? Remember how they replaced Terrance Howard with Don Cheadle. I mean, sure they're the same race, but SERIOUSLY?!?! You could easily tell one actor was different from the other! Then again, how many Batmans have we had over the years?

Still, the only way they could make this work is to have him in full garb throughout the entire movie or give him really good prosthetics to make him look older than Sachs, if this is the same Shredder. Didn't Shredder get replaced by his younger brother in the original comics after he was killed in battle or something like that? It's been awhile since i read the Mirage.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Going to be some explaining to do from first to this, but I like this choice.

[Vicky82]

Do we even know if Megan Fox will return in this movie?

Well she was seen filming scenes last night, Photo's are in the set photo/video thread, so yeah she is in this movie.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Sooooo....they're pulling an "Iron Man 2" on us? Remember how they replaced Terrance Howard with Don Cheadle. I mean, sure they're the same race, but SERIOUSLY?!?! You could easily tell one actor was different from the other! Then again, how many Batmans have we had over the years?

Still, the only way they could make this work is to have him in full garb throughout the entire movie or give him really good prosthetics to make him look older than Sachs, if this is the same Shredder. Didn't Shredder get replaced by his younger brother in the original comics after he was killed in battle or something like that? It's been awhile since i read the Mirage.

Saki was always Shredder, but his brother Nagi was killed by Yoshi.

[Bitsy83]

Do we even know if Megan Fox will return in this movie?

Let's see. Michael Bay's still on board and Megan Fox is desperate enough for work that Bay will take advantage of her in this situation. Plus she's still really hot and he doesn't care about her personality or acting abilities? Yeah, she's still April.

I'm sorry. I really don't mean to sound like a troll and I do actually respect Fox more than most people, but Bay clearly doesn't care about audience or fandoms or PEOPLE for that matter. All he cares about is money and special effects and will take any shortcuts to get his way. He doesn't care how bad a script is, how lazy the cinematography is, so long as he gets his boom fetishes in and people pay money to see them. I only see them to support the franchise, not Bay.

[Bitsy83]

Saki was always Shredder, but his brother Nagi was killed by Yoshi.

That's right. I knew there was some weird family thing. I guess they could tweak it a bit, but that would actually take brain cells.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Let's see. Michael Bay's still on board and Megan Fox is desperate enough for work that Bay will take advantage of her in this situation. Plus she's still really hot and he doesn't care about her personality or acting abilities? Yeah, she's still April.

I'm sorry. I really don't mean to sound like a troll and I do actually respect Fox more than most people, but Bay clearly doesn't care about audience or fandoms or PEOPLE for that matter. All he cares about is money and special effects and will take any shortcuts to get his way. He doesn't care how bad a script is, how lazy the cinematography is, so long as he gets his boom fetishes in and people pay money to see them. I only see them to support the franchise, not Bay.

It's cool, dude. I have nothing against Megan Fox. I was one of the few people that was looking forward to her playing as April. Unfortunately, I just think she didn't do April much justice. I gave her the benefit of the doubt but she just didn't do as good as I thought she would. I'm willing to give her another chance since she too is a big fan but who's to say that there will even be much improvements in the sequel.

[Powder]

Do we even know if Megan Fox will return in this movie?

Truly, you live up to your name.

[graphic_content]

I know we often say this...

...but this is FURTHER proof that Sachs was meant to be Shredder when Fitchner was cast. The backlash caused them to make last minute changes, which is why they hurriedly complete reshoots with Tohoru Masamune - shooting the absolute minimum to establish Shredder as a asian man. And now, having to live with that choice, they need to show more of Shredder behind the mask, and they are going with a more recognizable asian face in american culture. Brian Tee.

Im happy for the guy, but would have preferred they kept Masamune.

If Masamune is returning as himself in the film, perhaps Tee is his son, and he will pass along the 'mantle' of Shredder to him to get revenge on the Turtles.

All in all, William Fitchner's character is seeming more and more redundant, especially now, with the inclusion of other major baddies, Stockman, B&R. Sachs is just another grunt, which is a shame considering the actor's pedigree.

[Xav]

I'm pretty sure it's gonna be the same Shredder. Why do you think they hid his face in the first one? So they could replace him with a more well-known actor.

[graphic_content]

I'm pretty sure it's gonna be the same Shredder. Why do you think they hid his face in the first one? So they could replace him with a more well-known actor.

Masamune confirmed it on Twitter...he isnt returning - there goes my theory. oh well. on to the next one.

[newhire13]

He would either need a ton of make up to look older, for them to explain it as the ooze making him younger or he could be Oroku Saki, who takes over as Shredder (in movie 1 they never mentioned Shredder's real name).

[Xav]

Sucks to be Tohoru Masamune.I know especially after this interview.Well, we all saw Shredder’s fingers dipping into the mutagen at the end (Let me tell you, I was one psyched actor was to see that!), so we know Shredder’s coming back. As for me reprising the role, I’ve been in this business long enough to not assume anything. I do not have a 3-picture deal, nor has anyone approached me yet about the sequel. I certainly seemed to work well with the team though. A wonderful moment for me was when we were celebrating at the premiere after-party. I was having a great conversation with one of the producers, Andrew Form, about the experience of being a late-comer to this project. When we finished up the conversation he said, “Well, not anymore, you’re part of the family now. You’re Shredder!” We’ll see though. If it all ended right here, I’d still be the happiest actor in Hollywood. If I get that phone-call a few months from for now, you’ll definitely hear me screaming and dancing in the streets.http://www.xexmag.com/interview-tohoru-masamune-of-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles//

After what happened with Pete Ploszek, Danny Woodburn, K. Todd Freeman and now Tohoru Masamune, Platinum Dunes seems like a pretty crappy family.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I know especially after this interview.
http://www.xexmag.com/interview-tohoru-masamune-of-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles//

After what happened with Pete Ploszek, Danny Woodburn, K. Todd Freeman and now Tohoru Masamune, Platinum Dunes seems like a pretty crappy family.

They seem like a pretty typical family to me. Dysfunctional, backstabbing, betrayal, incest, shady dealings... House Platinum!

[bushido]

I know especially after this interview.
http://www.xexmag.com/interview-tohoru-masamune-of-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles//

After what happened with Pete Ploszek, Danny Woodburn, K. Todd Freeman and now Tohoru Masamune, Platinum Dunes seems like a pretty crappy family.

Big fan of Mirage comics, he loves IDW comics and Nick toon and they fired him ? F**k PD !

[TheSkeletonMan939]

http://www.xexmag.com/interview-tohoru-masamune-of-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles//

He seems like a nice guy... but is it just me, or did it seem as though he kind of resented the crappiness of the film? Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Probably why they fired him. He wasn't mind-numbingly optimistic in the interviews.

I hate this awful movie series.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

He seems like a nice guy... but is it just me, or did it seem as though he kind of resented the crappiness of the film? Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Probably why they fired him. He wasn't mind-numbingly optimistic in the interviews.

I hate this awful movie series.

well he was brought in super late...also werent his scenes filmed in like 2 days...how optimistic can you be if you never met the reast of the cast on crew and where only needed for a few moments

[bushido]

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gp/Andrew+Form+Jordana+Brewster+married+TzAbL09BGc9l. jpg
"you’re part of the family...not"

This guy is always on set, you can see him in a lot of pictures. It's confirmed that Bay was not so much involved : "Apparently Michael Bay just watched the most recent cut, and thought it could be better."

[TurtleMikey]

Sooooo....they're pulling an "Iron Man 2" on us?

No. Not even close. On Iron Man 2, Howard demanded too much money, and rather than give in to his ridiculous demands (he wanted more than Downey, whom he made more than for the first film), they dropped him.

In this case, Oroku Saki was never meant to be in TMNT1. And the actor they did cast was only meant for the reshoots, nothing else. He was (sadly), a glorified stand-in. They even hid his face for most of the film (though badly).

So they aren't wrong to recast that role since they never really did so to begin with. However, it does suck for the original actor. Hopefully they find something else for him.

As far as K. Todd Freeman, they cut out all of his parts from the first anyways. Probably due to Saki being worked into the script, and Sachs taking the place likely meant for Stockman (building the Shredder armor). So, they had the freedom to get a name actor for the part this time around and did so.

Now Plozek and the Splinter actor being replaced..... no ****ing excuse. That was just a dick move. Though, the Splinter replacement was better than the original probably was. Leo.... not so much. Knoxville was distracting, and not very Leo sounding.

[TrickOrTreater]

He seems like a nice guy... but is it just me, or did it seem as though he kind of resented the crappiness of the film? Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Probably why they fired him. He wasn't mind-numbingly optimistic in the interviews.

I hate this awful movie series.

Oh hey, me too!

[Xiewin]

So is Sacks still in this film?

[TrickOrTreater]

So is Sacks still in this film?

I think he's still confirmed as coming back.

The extensiveness of his role? No idea.

I hope he's the maaaain villain again though.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

They aren't wrong to recast that role since they never really did so to begin with.

I think it's wrong.

They paid the man to act and he acted well. I can't stand this film, but I appreciate the outstanding work of the some of actors considering they had so little to work with: Will Fichtner, Tohoru Masumane, and Minae Noji were the highlights of the film.

To cast Masumane out - especially after being invited into the "family" - makes it seem as though he did something wrong, when in fact he did his very best. He came in on very short notice, did his scenes very well, and then got kicked out for no reason. He has better acting skills than Fox, Arnett, and the 4 turtles combined.

If Sacks is back then that's fine with me. Fichtner was very good at the role. Very charismatic. Very good actor. He's too good for this movie.

[Xiewin]

I think he's still confirmed as coming back.

The extensiveness of his role? No idea.

I hope he's the maaaain villain again though.

Like I said before, clutter, clutter and more cluttering. He'll probably have 2 seconds of screentime, wasting even MORE money that could be spent on the cgi turtles.

ugh this movie...

[Sabacooza]

With all the characters they're cramming into TMNT 2 it's starting to remind of Mortal Kombat annihilation.

[Xav]

To cast Masumane out - especially after being invited into the "family" - makes it seem as though he did something wrong, when in fact he did his very best. He came in on very short notice, did his scenes very well, and then got kicked out for no reason.They did have a reason. They wanted a bigger named actor. That's Hollywood, it's all about da money. I know it sucks for him but what are you gonna do? He was a no-name actor hired to do last minute reshoots. He knew what he was getting into.

[#MechaFresh]

No. Not even close. On Iron Man 2, Howard demanded too much money, and rather than give in to his ridiculous demands (he wanted more than Downey, whom he made more than for the first film), they dropped him.

In this case, Oroku Saki was never meant to be in TMNT1. And the actor they did cast was only meant for the reshoots, nothing else. He was (sadly), a glorified stand-in. They even hid his face for most of the film (though badly).

So they aren't wrong to recast that role since they never really did so to begin with. However, it does suck for the original actor. Hopefully they find something else for him.

As far as K. Todd Freeman, they cut out all of his parts from the first anyways. Probably due to Saki being worked into the script, and Sachs taking the place likely meant for Stockman (building the Shredder armor). So, they had the freedom to get a name actor for the part this time around and did so.

Now Plozek and the Splinter actor being replaced..... no ****ing excuse. That was just a dick move. Though, the Splinter replacement was better than the original probably was. Leo.... not so much. Knoxville was distracting, and not very Leo sounding.

Just curious, when did Pete Ploszek get replaced?

[Tora]

I know we often say this...

...but this is FURTHER proof that Sachs was meant to be Shredder when Fitchner was cast. The backlash caused them to make last minute changes, which is why they hurriedly complete reshoots with Tohoru Masamune - shooting the absolute minimum to establish Shredder as a asian man. And now, having to live with that choice, they need to show more of Shredder behind the mask, and they are going with a more recognizable asian face in american culture. Brian Tee.

Im happy for the guy, but would have preferred they kept Masamune.

If Masamune is returning as himself in the film, perhaps Tee is his son, and he will pass along the 'mantle' of Shredder to him to get revenge on the Turtles.

All in all, William Fitchner's character is seeming more and more redundant, especially now, with the inclusion of other major baddies, Stockman, B&R. Sachs is just another grunt, which is a shame considering the actor's pedigree.

I think they can salvage Sachs by making him an Utrom named Krang at the end of this movie. This allows them to set him up as the main baddie in the 3rd film and with some voice modding and CGI they can make him look and sound menacing. It would really tie things together for his character if he ended up as Krang in the end IMO.

[Leo656]

...Why would Krang allow himself to be "adopted" by Shredder...?

[IndigoErth]

Forced adoption. It...kinda happened when Shredder got probed.

Creepy alien Krang baby. Maybe this April is the mom.

[Tora]

...Why would Krang allow himself to be "adopted" by Shredder...?

Maybe Krang killed the original Sachs and took his place or maybe the back story is all B.S and Shredder knows who he really is.

Or...

He gets mutated into a brain like monster after the Ooze melted his body away ala Mutagen man.

[Leo656]

Haaaaaaaaaa why not. :lol:

[Xav]

Just curious, when did Pete Ploszek get replaced?Last year, he was replaced by Johnny Knoxville in the first film.

[TurtleMikey]

Edited post.

[THGhost]

Done .

Can you delete mine as well? :P

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51952

[d_osborn]

I keep seeing people refer to the recast Shredder as being younger in the film. Has this been confirmed? The actor from the first film looks to be around the same age as Brian Tee, he just wore old age makeup in the movie.

[CyberCubed]

He's likely the same Shredder just recasted.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

He's likely the same Shredder just recasted.

Occam's Razor...

[Jester]

Can you delete mine as well? :P

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51952

Done .

What he said....


Wait....

[Huzzah]

They could always have this guy as the previous Shredder's son, seeking revenge against the Turtles for his father's death. Giving an actual conflict between Shredder and the Turtles. Finchter basically is the failure of a brother who tried to take the father's legacy and shape it in his own image (using the tertm Foot Clan in name only). Karai could easily have been sent there as a spy (a popular job of female ninja) reporting to Saki the disgrace brought upon the idea of the Foot. Saki comes to on NY to redeem the name the name of the Foot and to seek revenge on the Turtles, keeping Karai as his confident. So you have a purpose for Shredder against the Turtles and Sachs, leading to a potential alliance, or leading to Sachs creating Bebop and Rocksteady as his own body guards.

[Leo656]

So... in staying away from the traditional origin story because "It was too complicated", they may NOW be introducing, according to your theory, a story that is at least TWICE as complicated as the one they refused to adapt in the first place? :lol:

....I can f***ing actually see that happening. That'd be so damn perfect for these boneheads.

[TurtleMikey]

The most straightforward explanation is that its the same Shredder, and they're just retconing some things.

A better way would be to say the new Shredder is Oroku Saki, the younger brother of the Shredder in the first film.

The two had been distant and cut off from one another due to differing philosophies on what the Foot Clan should be (as seen by the more militarized foot of the first, compared to the second's more traditional looking foot).

Following his brother's defeat at the hands of the Turtles (could be in a coma or later died following their battle), Saki comes to NYC to exact revenge and aligns with Baxter Stockman, providing funding, manpower, and test subjects, in exchange for the tools to defeat the turtles (I.E. Mutants of his own, mousers, possibly even robotic foot soldiers).

[Huzzah]

Frankly I'm just throwing out ideas that would never be used, of course it wasn't meant as anything more than a joke.

[THGhost]

What he said....


Wait....

What's happening? :teek:

[TigerClaw]

Brian Tee posted this on Instagram.
https://instagram.com/p/2ynbS_j_-4/

https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11280081_476874792464409_1770704181_n.jpg

[Foombamaroom]

They could always have this guy as the previous Shredder's son, seeking revenge against the Turtles for his father's death. Giving an actual conflict between Shredder and the Turtles. Finchter basically is the failure of a brother who tried to take the father's legacy and shape it in his own image (using the tertm Foot Clan in name only). Karai could easily have been sent there as a spy (a popular job of female ninja) reporting to Saki the disgrace brought upon the idea of the Foot. Saki comes to on NY to redeem the name the name of the Foot and to seek revenge on the Turtles, keeping Karai as his confident. So you have a purpose for Shredder against the Turtles and Sachs, leading to a potential alliance, or leading to Sachs creating Bebop and Rocksteady as his own body guards.

Holy hell, PLEASE let this theory be correct. You could have this Shredder be so much more badass by using an actual Shredder costume rather than wearing Megatron's summer attire. Do you know how badass it would be to see Shredder, in a lighter, close to the original comics armor whooping all four of the Turtles' asses? Mary mother of God, I'd love that.

Brian Tee posted this on Instagram.
https://instagram.com/p/2ynbS_j_-4/

https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/11280081_476874792464409_1770704181_n.jpg

He's sending a message to the producers: the Lego version of Shredder looks better than the actual Shredder Paramount designed.

[CyberCubed]

Hopefully this time Shredder wears traditional armor, and not that god awful transformer/cyborg Shredder suit he had in the last one.

[AquaParade]

They could always have this guy as the previous Shredder's son, seeking revenge against the Turtles for his father's death. Giving an actual conflict between Shredder and the Turtles. Finchter basically is the failure of a brother who tried to take the father's legacy and shape it in his own image (using the tertm Foot Clan in name only). Karai could easily have been sent there as a spy (a popular job of female ninja) reporting to Saki the disgrace brought upon the idea of the Foot. Saki comes to on NY to redeem the name the name of the Foot and to seek revenge on the Turtles, keeping Karai as his confident. So you have a purpose for Shredder against the Turtles and Sachs, leading to a potential alliance, or leading to Sachs creating Bebop and Rocksteady as his own body guards.

Boom. Love it.

It's an easily accessible way to insert not only the theme of revenge, which great tmnt stories thrive on, but give Shredder a more grounded motivation that can pull from the family aspect of tmnt, if it so desires.

Of course, he'll likely also want to blow up the city despite whatever else is going on in his life.

[newhire13]

He started filming already right? I'd love it if he's keeping the facial hair and everything.

[TigerClaw]

He started filming already right? I'd love it if he's keeping the facial hair and everything.
What are the chances that we won't see his face, and he has the helmet on the whole movie?

[IndigoErth]

That would kinda suck. Assuming they'll go CGI again, it would be good to see the actor a bit.

[graphic_content]

That would kinda suck. Assuming they'll go CGI again, it would be good to see the actor a bit.

I'm betting we are gonna see him sans armor a fair bit. They went of their way to cast him, and make known it that he is Shredder, so I doubt that they won't showcase him at least part of the time.

If anything, exposing his face, means less cg, which means less money that they have to spend.

[TigerClaw]

I'm betting we are gonna see him sans armor a fair bit. They went of their way to cast him, and make known it that he is Shredder, so I doubt that they won't showcase him at least part of the time.

If anything, exposing his face, means less cg, which means less money that they have to spend.
If they expose his face, He will probably be under a lot of makeup and prosthetic, If half his face is disfigured.

[IndigoErth]

I'm betting we are gonna see him sans armor a fair bit. They went of their way to cast him, and make known it that he is Shredder, so I doubt that they won't showcase him at least part of the time.

If anything, exposing his face, means less cg, which means less money that they have to spend.
Very true on it saving money, I hope they take that into account. (And put some of that cash into the Turtles instead.)





Something I was thinking a bit on... Some people may have complained that the story for the first film got messed up (to what actual degree? *shrug*) because they removed Sacks as Shredder and some fans blamed other fans for it. However, on the plus side - the complaints kinda did do a good thing in keeping Hollywood, or at least these film makers, slightly check on the diversity. Asian actors pretty obviously don't get quite as many opportunities as white and black actors do, and, while I guess it's unfortunate that the other guy is replaced, this Brian Tee guy seems pretty cool. If he does well with the role, then maybe the complaints over a role that should rightly go to an Asian actor will have been well worth it. :) (Considering we'd otherwise just still have Eric Sacks as Shredder... yawn.)

[Gunpowder]

agreed just replace her with a plank of wood.

Perfect. April will be Plank and Casey will be Johnny. ALL RIGHT LET'S FILM THIS THING!!!

They paid the man to act and he acted well. I can't stand this film, but I appreciate the outstanding work of the some of actors considering they had so little to work with: Will Fichtner, Tohoru Masumane, and Minae Noji were the highlights of the film.

To cast Masumane out - especially after being invited into the "family" - makes it seem as though he did something wrong, when in fact he did his very best. He came in on very short notice, did his scenes very well, and then got kicked out for no reason. He has better acting skills than Fox, Arnett, and the 4 turtles combined.

I can agree with this for the most part, but I thought the Turtles' actors all did quite well.

Hopefully this time Shredder wears traditional armor, and not that god awful transformer/cyborg Shredder suit he had in the last one.

If Bay has an OUNCE of say, then we'll most definitely be seeing Deceptishredder again. I'd love to see some traditional armor as much as the next guy, but I don't think they'll be changing what they gave him the first time around.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

If Bay has an OUNCE of say, then we'll most definitely be seeing Deceptishredder again. I'd love to see some traditional armor as much as the next guy, but I don't think they'll be changing what they gave him the first time around.

agreed...would not surprise me if this time he can fly

[newhire13]

If they expose his face, He will probably be under a lot of makeup and prosthetic, If half his face is disfigured.

Not necessarily, could be a completely different Shredder. He's younger than what they implied Shredder was in movie 1 and they never gave him a real name in movie 1. Would literally be the perfect opportunity for them to revamp a few things.

[Sarigar]

Shredder will undoubtably have different armor in the sequel and the turtles will look different in their actual appearance or clothing. I think we can all agree on this - it sells more toys so it's guaranteed to happen. And yeah, he probably will fly after ripping apart an Ultrom exoskeleton and strapping to his armor to form make-shift wings ala Prime in ROTF.

[ctt4lfecw]

If only Splinter didn't learn ninjitsu from a book.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Guys I really don't think this shredder will be a different person- they berly showed him in the last film, so they can mold the character however they want.

[Foombamaroom]

If only Splinter didn't learn ninjitsu from a book.

If only Michael Bay had read a TMNT book.

[Leo656]

If only Michael Bay could read.

[IndigoErth]

If only Michael Bay had read a TMNT book.
If only Michael Bay could read.
:lol:

Yeah, in that case it might not require the public to tell him what's bad about a script.

Oh if only he and his people had waited and read "The Ultimate Visual History" book first. Lots of pictures to aid them, too.

[pennydreadful]

Please, I can just imagine Bay's first reading primer now.

A is for ass-shots and Amuuuuurica!
B is for boom!
C is for car chases.
D is for destruction.
E is for explosions!

:P

[IndigoErth]

:lol: :D

Must add...

M is for Mutants with steroid intentions
N is for Ninjas, a negated decision
T is for Turtles - not sure what those are
Z is for ZOOM! and all the fast cars!


(Yes it skips, you expect them to know the alphabet?)

[The Coffee Man]

Not necessarily, could be a completely different Shredder. He's younger than what they implied Shredder was in movie 1 and they never gave him a real name in movie 1. Would literally be the perfect opportunity for them to revamp a few things.

So in other words, the Shredder we got in movie 1 might be Oroku Nagi?

If only Splinter didn't learn ninjitsu from a book.

That was probably the dumbest thing about this take on the turtles' origin. I mean say what you like about the Mirage/1990 Movie/2K3 Origin or even the IDW comic origin but they were better than that.

Very true on it saving money, I hope they take that into account. (And put some of that cash into the Turtles instead.)





Something I was thinking a bit on... Some people may have complained that the story for the first film got messed up (to what actual degree? *shrug*) because they removed Sacks as Shredder and some fans blamed other fans for it. However, on the plus side - the complaints kinda did do a good thing in keeping Hollywood, or at least these film makers, slightly check on the diversity. Asian actors pretty obviously don't get quite as many opportunities as white and black actors do, and, while I guess it's unfortunate that the other guy is replaced, this Brian Tee guy seems pretty cool. If he does well with the role, then maybe the complaints over a role that should rightly go to an Asian actor will have been well worth it. :) (Considering we'd otherwise just still have Eric Sacks as Shredder... yawn.)

From the looks of things, it wasn't going to be good either way. Either we get a mess of a story due to fandom meddling or a story about Alien Ninjas against a Corporate CEO in Robot Battle Armor that probably wasn't going to good to begin with. (TMNT in Name Only).

Yeah, I think we lucked out with the former though that's like saying a kick to the groin is better than burning your hand while cooking.

Now that we're closer to the source material maybe the sequel will be better. And that's a BIG maybe.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

you guys do realize theres more of a chance they wont even bat an eye than even begin to think how to explain why he looks different in story

[Galactus]

you guys do realize theres more of a chance they wont even bat an eye than even begin to think how to explain why he looks different in story

This is likely.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

and im not even knocking it cause its a version of turtles i dislike


I love the marvel movies and they never explain rhodey, or Banner....Banner even mentions his stint in incredible...they just go with it

Fandral is never explained why a different actor


Transformers changed look, both robot and car modes between movies, and they never said a word...epsecially bumblebee who was a slightly different camaro in the original trilogy


its just something they dont do

this guy was probably cast because he was cheaper...they most likely wont say a word and hope no one notices

[Galactus]

and im not even knocking it cause its a version of turtles i dislike

I love the marvel movies and they never explain rhodey, or Banner....Banner even mentions his stint in incredible...they just go with it

Fandral is never explained why a different actor


Transformers changed look, both robot and car modes between movies, and they never said a word...epsecially bumblebee who was a slightly different camaro in the original trilogy


its just something they dont do

Honestly if the character is still portrayed as disfigured then I don't think it matters or would even be noticeable to most people anyway.

If Brian Tee is playing the same character but without any kind of makeup then I'd say it warrants some kind of explanation even if it's just Karai saying "master your wounds--?" but I doubt we'll get it.

Then again I'm kind of on the fence. While it would be questionable creatively I don't think many people would deny there are things in the last movie that I don't think would be a bad idea to flat-out ignore. Heck if fans are still banking on some Yoshi/Saki backstory the only way it would work is to gloss over the whole origin the gave.

this guy was probably cast because he was cheaper...they most likely wont say a word and hope no one notices

To be fair I think Tee is probably more expensive and a more reliable actor.

I think Masamune did well with what he was given and it's nice to think there's at least one person involved that actually knows something about the franchise but he's a bit player brought in to play essentially a bit part. It's kinda cruel and probably robs Masumune of an opportunity to prove himself but I can see why they wouldn't want an untested actor to play Shredder in a proper role.

[NinjaPug]

I just hope they explain why Shredder is 70-80 years old in this universe.

[IndigoErth]

I just hope they explain why Shredder is 70-80 years old in this universe.
Yeeeah... talk about an agile old guy.

Apparently he's got that Benjamin Button disease though and is aging backwards.

Would make the most sense just to make him Krang and pass it off as a different body after he broke the last one in a crater. Even if they didn't show this guy's face or used prosthetics, he's still going to sound obviously different.

[Xav]

I just hope they explain why Shredder is 70-80 years old in this universe.Because he's a father figure to a 55 year old man. How old did you expect him to be?

[The Coffee Man]

I'm calling it now. If the Bryan Tee is playing a different character then he will be Oroku Saki and the Shredder in the first film will be Oroku Nagi, his brother...or father. Whichever one they go for. They've changed the backstories to a ridiculous degree already so why not?

[TrickOrTreater]

Because he's a father figure to a 55 year old man. How old did you expect him to be?

Maybe. Just maybe. He shouldn't have been the father figure to a 55 year old man.

Maybe.

[Foombamaroom]

If Brian Tee is playing the same character but without any kind of makeup then I'd say it warrants some kind of explanation even if it's just Karai saying "master your wounds--?" but I doubt we'll get it.



That's another thing, has Karai even been confirmed for this movie or did she get killed during the snow chase fight?

[Foombamaroom]

Maybe. Just maybe. He shouldn't have been the father figure to a 55 year old man.

Maybe.

Maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't have made this movie. XD (Except I'm not joking.)

Maybe.

[NinjaPug]

Because he's a father figure to a 55 year old man. How old did you expect him to be?

Not 80 years old. He never should've been a 'father figure' to Sachs.

This is what happens when you have drastic rewrites. I guess PD figured no one would care that Shredder was a geriatric as long as he was Japanese.

[IndigoErth]

They could have even just left out the father figure thing and simply made them evil business partners. Childhood friends even. Why they, while doing a rewrite, chose to take a weird route by deciding he was "like a father to him"... god only knows.

http://i.imgur.com/GMFr71Z.gif

[TrickOrTreater]

Maybe, just maybe, they shouldn't have made this movie. XD (Except I'm not joking.)

Maybe.

Would have been totally okay with that too.

No movie is better than sh*tty movie.

[Sarigar]

Would have been totally okay with that too.

No movie is better than sh*tty movie.


I call bs to that. If there was no sh*tty movie, then just what the heck would you do with all your free time?

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/15/15ebe17c534dda7aec1341568335b6e3bbb025bf4fda4d27d7 a5a3e2be46940f.jpg

[TrickOrTreater]

I call bs to that. If there was no sh*tty movie, then just what the heck would you do with all your free time?

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/15/15ebe17c534dda7aec1341568335b6e3bbb025bf4fda4d27d7 a5a3e2be46940f.jpg

Be here anyway because I like the Turtles and have for a long time?

Considering this forum takes up very little of my free time.

Sick meme tho bruh

[Sarigar]

All in good fun. I agree that this film deserves all the derision it gets from passionate fans like yourself. And it is a turkey of a film. I see some potential in it if they admitted their mistakes and did a complete overall. I'm hopeful for the changes I do see, but as many have noted, they still have the same writers..so it's doubtful. As I mentioned in my review, one easy fix would be to make Splinter somehow remember his time before being a lab rat....when Stockman snagged him as he ran in fear from his dead masters apartment. When he finds the book in the sewer later, he's simply recalling past moves he learned will mimicking his master Yoshi (who either fled Japan or was following Saki to America). That fixes some if the core issues I had with the first film and can be done in flashback in a few minutes. The new Shredder could be mutated younger version or the son or brother of the first one. Sachs was an Ultrom.. Etc

[TrickOrTreater]

All in good fun. I agree that this film deserves all the derision it gets from passionate fans like yourself. And it is a turkey of a film. I see some potential in it if they admitted their mistakes and did a complete overall. I'm hopeful for the changes I do see, but as many have noted, they still have the same writers..so it's doubtful. As I mentioned in my review, one easy fix would be to make Splinter somehow remember his time before being a lab rat....when Stockman snagged him as he ran in fear from his dead masters apartment. When he finds the book in the sewer later, he's simply recalling past moves he learned will mimicking his master Yoshi (who either fled Japan or was following Saki to America).

Something tells me they won't even begin to put that much thought into it.

Why would they? The first film made enough money, so it's clearly a "only nerds care, we'll do whatever we want" kinda thing.

And I can almost guarantee Brian Tee is playing the same Shredder. Either younger because of the mutagen he got on him or just because they felt like recasting him.

[Sarigar]

Something tells me they won't even begin to put that much thought into it.

Why would they? The first film made enough money, so it's clearly a "only nerds care, we'll do whatever we want" kinda thing.

And I can almost guarantee Brian Tee is playing the same Shredder. Either younger because of the mutagen he got on him or just because they felt like recasting him.

But we can still hope for the best right?! I know I'm being naive, but I get a lot of mileage out of the time between films and speculating for something better. I'm imagining a better second film that addresses some of these issues, based on the set pics. Yes, Casey Jones should have long hair and look grungy. Other than that, I can't point to anything else that seems as off as the last one. Seems like its nitpicking at this point, until all the cards are on the table.

And I'll just leaves this here before anyone else does...I know....http://i.imgur.com/egbVHi4.gif

[TrickOrTreater]

And if this were any other sequel to any other Ninja Turtles movie from any other studio/producer/director/writer, I'd probably be hopeful too.

But they've done nothing but disappoint me since Blue Door got leaked all the way to today.

And hope is fine. Hope all you want, I don't begrudge anybody WANTING this movie to be good. I saw the first one, and too many elements are back for me to have any hope in THIS movie at all, the inclusion of characters I like or not. Hope died for me when I saw the first movie.

But again, that's just me.

[Powder]

I certainly want it to be good. I don't think it will be, but I do believe it will be a step up on some level. Granted it can't be hard to achieve that.

[Sarigar]

And if this were any other sequel to any other Ninja Turtles movie from any other studio/producer/director/writer, I'd probably be hopeful too.

But they've done nothing but disappoint me since Blue Door got leaked all the way to today.

And hope is fine. Hope all you want, I don't begrudge anybody WANTING this movie to be good. I saw the first one, and too many elements are back for me to have any hope in THIS movie at all, the inclusion of characters I like or not. Hope died for me when I saw the first movie.

But again, that's just me.

Fair enough. All TMNT fans have had to weather through some crap through the years and the mythology continues marching onward. It's always been choose-your-own adventure -pick the cartoon, comic or movie path. They never were fully in sync. Hollywood moves at such a glacial pace, that it will be a decade before a new film series is started, regardless of how the second one does. If the next one doesn't improve in quality, but makes more money, we are in for a nightmare few more years of Transformers level nonsense. I hope that's not the case. A new director has to count for something. Maybe NICK cried foul at all the crap changes and demanded a course correction. Maybe they don't have a say at all. Anyone know what kind of pull they have on the film series?

[Powder]

Maybe NICK cried foul at all the crap changes and demanded a course correction. Maybe they don't have a say at all. Anyone know what kind of pull they have on the film series?

I believe Paramount is owned by Nick, but because of that they put all their trust into them. I don't think they really interfere unless it's something like Spongebob. This project is very much set apart from the Nick series, so they most likely let them do their own thing. If not, I think we'd see more similarities between the two.

[TrickOrTreater]

Fair enough. All TMNT fans have had to weather through some crap through the years and the mythology continues marching onward. It's always been choose-your-own adventure -pick the cartoon, comic or movie path. They never were fully in sync. Hollywood moves at such a glacial pace, that it will be a decade before a new film series is started, regardless of how the second one does. If the next one doesn't improve in quality, but makes more money, we are in for a nightmare few more years of Transformers level nonsense. I hope that's not the case. A new director has to count for something. Maybe NICK cried foul at all the crap changes and demanded a course correction. Maybe they don't have a say at all. Anyone know what kind of pull they have on the film series?

I doubt it's much, if any. Nick has say over their cartoon, but Platinum Dunes/Paramount/Viacom has say over the movie, since Paramount put Michael Bay/Platinum Dunes in charge of the thing at the very start of all this trainwreck.

I believe Paramount is owned by Nick, but because of that they put all their trust into them. I don't think they really interfere unless it's something like Spongebob. This project is very much set apart from the Nick series, so they most likely let them do their own thing. If not, I think we'd see more similarities between the two.

Both Paramount and Nick are owned by Viacom. In the film and tv divisions respectively. But I doubt Nick is at all over Paramount.

[Galactus]

Maybe NICK cried foul at all the crap changes and demanded a course correction. Maybe they don't have a say at all. Anyone know what kind of pull they have on the film series?

It's an interesting question. Quite often reading interviews and articles about the production of the last movie it would alternate between referring to Nickelodeon and Paramount as major company behind the movie.

Regardless I do think that whoever it is wasn't fully on-board with Platinum Dunes plans. If you recall Bay said in an interview the Blue Door script was from before he was involved and had been rejected by the powers that be. We know this to be true but he conveniently left out some details.

If you read many of the interviews by people involved in the movie and look between the lines of what they say you can form a crude history and it seems Paramount/Nickelodeon was against their approach so then Form and Fuller twisted Bay's arm to be involved presumably because his track record with turning another 80s property into a billion dollar movie series gives ideas he backs more credibility and as we know the eventually accepted a script very much like the Blue Door.

I'd argue the reason the studio was amenable to listening to fan complaints may be because they were never fully on-board with them themselves. That actually may be a good sign for the sequel but what they really need to change is money to make new 3D models, search for and hire new writers etc. I doubt they want to do that when they can just quickly put out a sequel and try and give it a new color of paint.

[TrickOrTreater]

If you recall Bay said in an interview the Blue Door script was from before he was involved and had been rejected by the powers that be. We know this to be true but he conveniently left out some details.

Actually he very much lied about that.

In late May 2010, it was announced that Paramount and Nickelodeon had brought Michael Bay and his Platinum Dunes partners Bradley Fuller and Andrew Form on to produce the next film that will reboot the film series. Bay, Fuller, and Form would produce alongside Walker and Mednick.

In August 2012, an early version of the script, dated January 30, 2012, titled "The Blue Door" and written by Appelbaum and Nemec, was leaked online.

And here's the Deadline Hollywood article confirming the first quote with date.

http://deadline.com/2010/05/platinum-dunes-steers-turtles-relaunch-44238/

Bay was involved since the beginning. The Blue Door script was absolutely under him and approved by him.

[Sarigar]

I'm really over my initial repulsion to the designs ( except for Splinter...gives me the willies), but when I finally relented and saw the film, it was the butchering of their origins and the lack of Yoshi/Saki history that had me screaming WTF!!!!???

It reminds me so much of the 1998 Tristar Godzilla.. Yes, GINO was repulsive, but it was the origin and his/her wimpy actions/powers that had fans so up in arms.

The core fictional texts of an adapted property has to be revered as THE SOURCE. Some things you don't mess with, otherwise what is the point? It's arrogant and egotistic to try to put your spin on things, if that spin violates the central principals of the characters you are adapting for the screen.

I'm not all about Marvel, but the Turtles are in desperate need of a Kevin Fiege like person to navigate their Hollywood course.

[Galactus]

Actually he very much lied about that.

And here's the Deadline Hollywood article confirming the first quote with date.

Bay was involved since the beginning. The Blue Door script was absolutely under him and approved by him.

I was aware that he'd lied about that particular draft being from before he was involved but being reminded of the timeline it does seem that he was involved earlier than I thought.

[TrickOrTreater]

I was aware that he'd lied about that particular draft being from before he was involved but being reminded of the timeline it does seem that he was involved earlier than I thought.

Oh yeah, it was waaaayyyy more his movie than Liebesman's or anybody else's. It's why I laugh when I see "Bay didn't direct it! It wasn't his movie!"

He was involved from the start, he was the face of the movie, on set, got final say in designs, got final say in final cut of the movie(yes I'm aware of the producer's role on films, Bay was far more involved, clearly).

It's one of the reasons why I have zero hope for this film.

Pretty much the only thing different outside of cosmetic changes for characters and the inclusion of MORE characters is that they have a new no-name to sit in the director's chair.

A guy who probably holds even LESS sway than Liebesman did. Which wasn't a lot.

[B-Man]

Trick, for f*cks sake, get a hobby. You're all over every thread like a rash, constantly venting over a kids movie. Multiple times a day - every day.

Sort it out or get counselling.

[TigerClaw]

Trick, for f*cks sake, get a hobby. You're all over every thread like a rash, constantly venting over a kids movie. Multiple times a day - every day.

Sort it out or get counselling.
Just ignore him, Cause no matter what you say, He will still be the same.

[Powder]

Trick, for f*cks sake, get a hobby. You're all over every thread like a rash, constantly venting over a kids movie. Multiple times a day - every day.

Sort it out or get counselling.

Erection jokes. Ass shots.

Kids movie.

[Galactus]

Oh yeah, it was waaaayyyy more his movie than Liebesman's or anybody else's. It's why I laugh when I see "Bay didn't direct it! It wasn't his movie!"

He was involved from the start, he was the face of the movie, on set, got final say in designs, got final say in final cut of the movie(yes I'm aware of the producer's role on films, Bay was far more involved, clearly).

It's one of the reasons why I have zero hope for this film.

Pretty much the only thing different outside of cosmetic changes for characters and the inclusion of MORE characters is that they have a new no-name to sit in the director's chair.

A guy who probably holds even LESS sway than Liebesman did. Which wasn't a lot.

Preaching to the choir.

Still I guess I kinda held out some hope...some minor, minuscule hope that Paramount/Nickelodeon knew those plans were garbage but were blinded by the fact it was pitched by the guy who made them billions with another 80s "nostalgia" property but I think I'm just kidding myself.

[Autbot_Benz]

Trick, for f*cks sake, get a hobby. You're all over every thread like a rash, constantly venting over a kids movie. Multiple times a day - every day.

Sort it out or get counselling.

You couldn't be more right

[TrickOrTreater]

Trick, for f*cks sake, get a hobby. You're all over every thread like a rash, constantly venting over a kids movie. Multiple times a day - every day.

Sort it out or get counselling.

Erection jokes. Ass shots.

Kids movie.

Heh.

Isn't it funny that the three or four people who apparently hate me the most constantly talk to/about me or engage me in some way all the time?

As if I'm literally the only person posting in every single thread for hours at a time.

B-man, don't you have like summer school or something to go to or something? Maybe photoshop some more super cool pictures of yourself onto fictional people maybe?

Should that be my hobby? Can I get some pointers on that from you?

Also I love that it's totally okay for that dickf*ck to be EXCITED about a "kid's movie" but I can't say it'll probably suck.

The cognitive dissonance is amazing.

EDIT

agreed he is the STD of the movie form you just can't get rid of him.

See? Just can't help it can you, Ben?

[B-Man]

B-man, don't you have like summer school or something to go to or something? Maybe photoshop some more super cool pictures of yourself onto fictional people maybe?

Should that be my hobby? Can I get some pointers on that from you?

Yes I saw that coming :lol: Look dude, I don't hate you, I don't hate anyone here, I'm just sayin' every time I come here you're all over the threads venting like its a full-time job. I don't get how a 103 minute kids action movie was that traumatic to you. It wasn't sprung on you. It was a Bay/Liebesman joint. You knew what you were getting & it should've been way worse than it was. And what kills me is - you probably consider Secret Of The Ooze and III to be good films...

[Leo656]

Oh Lord. They already have their "No Hate" private echo chamber, and they STILL want to make the public forum a "No-Negativity Zone".


Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck NO. You only want people to rim each other over how awesome these sh*tty movies are, take it to their official FB page and have at it all day long until you all get a rash.

This is a place where big people talk. Can't handle any dissent? Take a walk. Nobody's being an asshole or has a bad attitude for pointing out what they see, just because it's "Negative". Come ON.

[TrickOrTreater]

Yes I saw that coming :lol: Look dude, I don't hate you, I don't hate anyone here, I'm just sayin' every time I come here you're all over the threads venting like its a full-time job. I don't get how a 103 minute kids action movie was that traumatic to you. It wasn't sprung on you. It was a Bay/Liebesman joint. You knew what you were getting & it should've been way worse than it was. And what kills me is - you probably consider Secret Of The Ooze and III to be good films...

Oh Lord. They already have their "No Hate" private echo chamber, and they STILL want to make the public forum a "No-Negativity Zone".

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck NO. You only want people to rim each other over how awesome these sh*tty movies are, take it to their official FB page and have at it all day long until you all get a rash.

This is a place where big people talk. Can't handle any dissent? Take a walk.

Yeah that.

And B-man, just continue on going onto an internet message board and totally creaming your pants all over a, in your own words, "kids movie." Where you're just so excited for it that you've edited together a series of SET PHOTOS of actors on a set for your internet message board account signature before anything official for the movie has even come out.

THAT totally doesn't make you a sh*tty hypocrite in any way. No siree bob.

[B-Man]

Where you're just so excited for it that you've edited together a series of SET PHOTOS of actors on a set for your internet message board account signature before anything official for the movie has even come out.

What's worse - being a Ninja Turtles fan who is happy & excited over the only new film being made of it... or being a Ninja Turtles fan who is upset & angry over it & comes here to express his hatred daily.

:lol: You lose, son.

[Powder]

Thinking you're better than anyone for your opinion (good, bad or in between) is the losing choice, I think. This is not a competition.

Play nice, boys.

[TrickOrTreater]

What's worse - being a Ninja Turtles fan who is happy & excited over the only new film being made of it... or being a Ninja Turtles fan who is upset & angry over it & comes here to express his hatred daily.

:lol: You lose, son.

Being a Ninja Turtle fan with standards who won't swallow any sh*t thrust at him simply because it's there or being a Ninja Turtle fan who will gladly and dutifully swallow any sh*t thrust at him simple because it's there.

Only one loser here, "son."

Now I'm positive it's past your bedtime.

Thinking you're better than anyone for your opinion (good, bad or in between) is the losing choice, I think. This is not a competition.

Whup. That too.

[IndigoErth]

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[B-Man]

Being a Ninja Turtle fan with standards who won't swallow any sh*t thrust at him simply because it's there or being a Ninja Turtle fan who will gladly and dutifully swallow any sh*t thrust at him simple because it's there.

:lol: no, make no mistake, in this scenario, you lose. And as a TMNT fan, everytime you get angry over any new development of it's new movie, you lose a little bit more.

If I had a mic, this is where I'd drop it.

[TrickOrTreater]

Nuh uh! You are! Because I said so!

Quality. True quality you got there.

[Leo656]

I don't think I like TMNT fans. :lol: They're quickly becoming my least favorite kinda people. :lol:

[TrickOrTreater]

I don't think I like TMNT fans. :lol: They're quickly becoming my least favorite kinda people. :lol:

If only we didn't lose so much over this movie series sucking we'd be winners just like they are.

EDIT Not all Ninja Turtle fans, I'll say. Lotta of them are great. Just the few c*nts who can't handle criticism of something they have nothing to do with

[B-Man]

Not all Ninja Turtle fans, I'll say. Lotta of them are great. Just the few c*nts who can't handle criticism of something they have nothing to do with

I'm a "c*nt" now :lol:

Counselling, dude, you need some.

[TrickOrTreater]

I'm a "c*nt" now :lol:

Counselling, dude, you need some.

Yep. That's what I said. Big ol' c*nt.

[Jester]

Take it down a notch, Trick. No need for name calling.

[Leo656]

They're chest-bumping! How adorable! Headbutt! HEADBUTT! Come onnnnnn! :lol:

[pennydreadful]

The internet shenanigans are really the most (only?) enjoyable part of this whole BayTurtles chapter of the franchise.

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[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

And this is just one of the reasons I hate this bay movie you "new" fans have this elitism as if the rest of us just need to crawl in our shells and die

[B-Man]

New? I've been a fan since 1989. Stick your assumptions.

[Bry]

:lol: no, make no mistake, in this scenario, you lose. And as a TMNT fan, everytime you get angry over any new development of it's new movie, you lose a little bit more.

If I had a mic, this is where I'd drop it.

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In reality, we all lose. Instead of having a quality movie series we can all rally behind and get excited about, fans are bickering with each other non-stop over this turd.

Fans like me lose because the characters and source material(s) we love are being cynically, heartlessly mined for quick money by people with no real affection or interest in them in as many terrible Michael Bay productions as they can crap out as quickly as possible.

Fans like you lose because, even if you all enjoyed the movie -- and I'm sure you did -- most of you would still probably like to see a much better one, and as long as franchise fans are throwing mountains of money and support at these movies because they've got the name "Ninja Turtles", and encouraging everyone they know to do the same, that's never gonna happen.

And the property itself loses, because even if these movies make hefty bags of money for a handful of producers and executives, it ultimately makes the overall property/concept look worse and lowers its "standing" in the pop-cultural conscious. Eventually that'll catch up with it; if enough bad material is put out for a long enough time, people will get sick of it and stop paying for it, and then it'll disappear for a long while. It happened before, after all. And if the general public, and even the executives in charge of it, equate the overall property with garbage movies made exclusively to cash in on a known brand name, it's gonna be an uphill battle trying to get anyone to care about it again once the shine's completely off that apple. Except this time we don't have Peter Laird and Mirage actively fighting to keep their baby alive.

[Sarigar]

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In reality, we all lose. Instead of having a quality movie series we can all rally behind and get excited about, fans are bickering with each other non-stop over this turd.

Fans like me lose because the characters and source material(s) we love are being cynically, heartlessly mined for quick money by people with no real affection or interest in them in as many terrible Michael Bay productions as they can crap out as quickly as possible.

Fans like you lose because, even if you all enjoyed the movie -- and I'm sure you did -- most of you would still probably like to see a much better one, and as long as franchise fans are throwing mountains of money and support at these movies because they've got the name "Ninja Turtles", and encouraging everyone they know to do the same, that's never gonna happen.

And the property itself loses, because even if these movies make hefty bags of money for a handful of producers and executives, it ultimately makes the overall property/concept look worse and lowers its "standing" in the pop-cultural conscious. Eventually that'll catch up with it; if enough bad material is put out for a long enough time, people will get sick of it and stop paying for it, and then it'll disappear for a long while. It happened before, after all. And if the general public, and even the executives in charge of it, equate the overall property with garbage movies made exclusively to cash in on a known brand name, it's gonna be an uphill battle trying to get anyone to care about it again once the shine's completely off that apple. Except this time we don't have Peter Laird and Mirage actively fighting to keep their baby alive.

No worries, man. If this series stinks up the brand that much, Nick could sell the Turtles off and we'll get a new spin on them in a few years. Worse case, they let it lay dormant for a bit, then try it again another way. But what is wrong with wanting the 2nd film to be better and rectify this series? Why isn't this something lovers and haters of the first one agree upon.? It adds like what, 2-3 more years to this cycle of film and they can go on to the next. I think the brand would be tarnished more by being seen as a commercial failure. As crappy as the last Spider-Man film was , as a fan I would have rather that film series finished out, instead of being truncated. Same as the 2007 TMNT. John Carter is another example.

[TigerClaw]

Brian Tee posted this on twitter
https://twitter.com/brian_tee/status/604789672833871872
An honor & pleasure to meet @kevineastman86 Thank you for creating the #TMNT and the #Shredder! #TMNT2
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[Leo656]

Bry, you're real good at stuff.

[TrickOrTreater]

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In reality, we all lose. Instead of having a quality movie series we can all rally behind and get excited about, fans are bickering with each other non-stop over this turd.

Fans like me lose because the characters and source material(s) we love are being cynically, heartlessly mined for quick money by people with no real affection or interest in them in as many terrible Michael Bay productions as they can crap out as quickly as possible.

Fans like you lose because, even if you all enjoyed the movie -- and I'm sure you did -- most of you would still probably like to see a much better one, and as long as franchise fans are throwing mountains of money and support at these movies because they've got the name "Ninja Turtles", and encouraging everyone they know to do the same, that's never gonna happen.

And the property itself loses, because even if these movies make hefty bags of money for a handful of producers and executives, it ultimately makes the overall property/concept look worse and lowers its "standing" in the pop-cultural conscious. Eventually that'll catch up with it; if enough bad material is put out for a long enough time, people will get sick of it and stop paying for it, and then it'll disappear for a long while. It happened before, after all. And if the general public, and even the executives in charge of it, equate the overall property with garbage movies made exclusively to cash in on a known brand name, it's gonna be an uphill battle trying to get anyone to care about it again once the shine's completely off that apple. Except this time we don't have Peter Laird and Mirage actively fighting to keep their baby alive.

Yep. Exactly this.

[Commenter 42]

New? I've been a fan since 1989. Stick your assumptions.

Yeah? Well, My dad can beat up your dad!

[Shark_Blade]

In reality, we all lose. Instead of having a quality movie series we can all rally behind and get excited about, fans are bickering with each other non-stop over this turd.

Fans like me lose because the characters and source material(s) we love are being cynically, heartlessly mined for quick money by people with no real affection or interest in them in as many terrible Michael Bay productions as they can crap out as quickly as possible.

Fans like you lose because, even if you all enjoyed the movie -- and I'm sure you did -- most of you would still probably like to see a much better one, and as long as franchise fans are throwing mountains of money and support at these movies because they've got the name "Ninja Turtles", and encouraging everyone they know to do the same, that's never gonna happen.

And the property itself loses, because even if these movies make hefty bags of money for a handful of producers and executives, it ultimately makes the overall property/concept look worse and lowers its "standing" in the pop-cultural conscious. Eventually that'll catch up with it; if enough bad material is put out for a long enough time, people will get sick of it and stop paying for it, and then it'll disappear for a long while. It happened before, after all. And if the general public, and even the executives in charge of it, equate the overall property with garbage movies made exclusively to cash in on a known brand name, it's gonna be an uphill battle trying to get anyone to care about it again once the shine's completely off that apple. Except this time we don't have Peter Laird and Mirage actively fighting to keep their baby alive.
Not all will loose. That's a sad pessimistic outlook, here's the optimist outlook. ;)

Fans like you loose cause you don't like it. Simple as that. You can't see beyond the flaws (as if the other movies has no flaws, whatever). You can't appreciate it? Fine.

Fans like me and possibly half a billion contributed to it win cause we enjoy it. Sure we'd like it to be better, and the sequel behind the scenes pics show much promises. Cameos like Judith Hoag returning, Bebop & Rocksteady, Shredder and Karai, all seems in good hands. We're excited. Like many things, improvements can be made with progression of time.

So what if it's made by Bay team? Transformers still runs today and making billions of blockbuster films. Does it tainted the series? The toons still goes on, you can watch that. Same thing applies to TMNT, you can watch Nick. The company make money, customers are happy, win-win situation. Only deluded fans like yourself thinks that everyone looses in this situation.

Some haters hate the Bay turtles movies so much, why waste your time here? If I don't like a movie, I don't watch it and leave, that's it. Like going to a bad restaurant, never going back there. And yet here you are, wasting away days, years even. That's just sad.Why waste so much energy ranting non-stop. No, cause you have the right to say things? Oh cause freedom of speech? Yeah say your piece in the reviews section, then that's it. No need to sound like a broken record. Go find something else to love, be passionate positively, live your life.

Some like me are here to celebrate the turtles. Don't like it, move on to better things. But of course this is gonna fall on deaf ears among the haters (not pointing at you) but I don't care. :D
I'm glad this forum is a minority compared to the rest of the world.

[IndigoErth]

The way I look at it, it's not even about me, I just don't want the Turtles to lose. Maybe I'm just some woman who cares about something plenty of others don't and don't care at all how it's made... maybe I'm silly for looking at these fictional characters and wanting them to have the best, but I adore them so I do want that for them and feel they fully deserve it. If someone for the first time is going to take them into the territory of blockbuster movies, then give them all the best and treat them with the utmost respect they and any other great hero characters deserve - don't take them there only to just give them half-assed treatment or treated like simply supporting cast in their own film.

[Amaranthus]

First "proove", now "loose"?
Shark Blade needs to take some English classes.

[TigerClaw]

Not all will loose. That's a sad pessimistic outlook, here's the optimist outlook. ;)

Fans like you loose cause you don't like it. Simple as that. You can't see beyond the flaws (as if the other movies has no flaws, whatever). You can't appreciate it? Fine.

Fans like me and possibly half a billion contributed to it win cause we enjoy it. Sure we'd like it to be better, and the sequel behind the scenes pics show much promises. Cameos like Judith Hoag returning, Bebop & Rocksteady, Shredder and Karai, all seems in good hands. We're excited. Like many things, improvements can be made with progression of time.

So what if it's made by Bay team? Transformers still runs today and making billions of blockbuster films. Does it tainted the series? The toons still goes on, you can watch that. Same thing applies to TMNT, you can watch Nick. The company make money, customers are happy, win-win situation. Only deluded fans like yourself thinks that everyone looses in this situation.

Some haters hate the Bay turtles movies so much, why waste your time here? If I don't like a movie, I don't watch it and leave, that's it. Like going to a bad restaurant, never going back there. And yet here you are, wasting away days, years even. That's just sad.Why waste so much energy ranting non-stop. No, cause you have the right to say things? Oh cause freedom of speech? Yeah say your piece in the reviews section, then that's it. No need to sound like a broken record. Go find something else to love, be passionate positively, live your life.

Some like me are here to celebrate the turtles. Don't like it, move on to better things. But of course this is gonna fall on deaf ears among the haters (not pointing at you) but I don't care. :D
I'm glad this forum is a minority compared to the rest of the world.
That is very true, The forum is indeed a minority, This is just a tiny fraction of an even larger fan base, That exist outside of this forum, Whether it be on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, or any social Media sites.

[Leo656]

Yes, the majority of people walking around are idiots. I'm well aware.

That does NOT mean that everyone needs to dumb everything down to THEIR standards, for God's sake. There are ENOUGH horrible movies and TV shows and whatever else. And it's BECAUSE it's easier to dumb everything down, than to teach people the difference between "quality" and "crap", and to get them to care. But that doesn't mean we should ALL have to suffer because of a few vocal, ignorant people, who will gladly and happily swallow every single goddamn thing put in front of them.

It's not "negative" or "pessimistic", it's called HAVING TASTE. You're not SUPPOSED to sit through everything you see with your brain turned off, drooling on yourself and scratching your ass. Why is this hard? Why is ANY of this so hard to "get"? Why do we celebrate and ENCOURAGE mediocrity and subpar effort?

Christ.


This is just a tiny fraction of an even larger fan base, That exist outside of this forum, Whether it be on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, or any social Media sites.

Case in point! Let's go down the list... Hmmm.... Facebook... Morons. Tumblr... Morons. Social Media in general... OVERFLOWING with morons. This is your measuring stick? A bunch of people who think the world WANTS to see videos of their pets, or pictures of their dinner, or their hideous selfies? A bunch of people who have NO lives at all away from their computer or their cell phone? You want THOSE people to be the barometer? Holy s***. If anything, social media PROVES my point beyond the shadow of any reasonable doubt.

[TigerClaw]

Yes, the majority of people walking around are idiots. I'm well aware.

That does NOT mean that everyone needs to dumb everything down to THEIR standards, for God's sake. There are ENOUGH horrible movies and TV shows and whatever else. And it's BECAUSE it's easier to dumb everything down, than to teach people the difference between "quality" and "crap", and to get them to care. But that doesn't mean we should ALL have to suffer because of a few vocal, ignorant people, who will gladly and happily swallow every single goddamn thing put in front of them.

It's not "negative" or "pessimistic", it's called HAVING TASTE. You're not SUPPOSED to sit through everything you see with your brain turned off, drooling on yourself and scratching your ass. Why is this hard? Why is ANY of this so hard to "get"? Why do we celebrate and ENCOURAGE mediocrity and subpar effort?

Christ.



Case in point! Let's go down the list... Hmmm.... Facebook... Morons. Tumblr... Morons. Social Media in general... OVERFLOWING with morons. This is your measuring stick? A bunch of people who think the world WANTS to see videos of their pets, or pictures of their dinner, or their hideous selfies? A bunch of people who have NO lives at all away from their computer or their cell phone? You want THOSE people to be the barometer? Holy s***. If anything, social media PROVES my point beyond the shadow of any reasonable doubt.
This is the issue I have with forums like these in general, There is so much elitism inside, They think the fans that exist outside this forum, are dumb, idiots or morons, and resorting to name calling.

[Leo656]

You do go outside, right? You talk to people, I assume.

You don't notice it? You don't notice at all, that most people are the types who'd chase a scrap of paper into oncoming traffic if you told them it had the winning lotto numbers on it? Seriously?

Look at people.

[TigerClaw]

You do go outside, right? You talk to people, I assume.

You don't notice it? You don't notice at all, that most people are the types who'd chase a scrap of paper into oncoming traffic if you told them it had the winning lotto numbers on it? Seriously?

Look at people.
How do you know these people exist? Have you ever met any of them? I guess not.

[Leo656]

Brother, I'm around THOUSANDS of people a week. ALL I DO is exist among gigantic groups of people. I help run three gyms with a client list in the thousands, just to start. I'm gonna go ahead and say that I'm around way, WAY more people than most of you.

And while most of them are nice, a TON of people are really, really, REALLY stupid. "How did you even graduate?" stupid. And when you are FORCED to have long, drawn-out, in-depth conversations with them, you start to realize that something isn't right upstairs. Not that they have anything "wrong" with them, I don't mean people with clinical problems, I mean people who are allegedly high-functioning, yet still have no common sense or otherwise demonstrate a complete and total lack of comprehension.

Some people are gems, don't get me wrong. But "gems" are special because they're rare.

But yeah, I won't bore me with my life story. Suffice to say that if we add it up, though, Yes, I'm constantly around far more people than most, which gives me, at the worst, a pretty solid Educated Guess. Like Carlin said, "A few winners, a whole lotta losers." :lol:

[IndigoErth]

Well... I dunno if name calling over grammar corrections is any nobler.

[pennydreadful]

I think you're forgetting the mission statement of some of our members here, Indigo. :twink:


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[MastahShredder]

I like Shredders look for now. Bebop and Rocksteady just look...a little too cartoony for me. :|

[Galactus]

That is very true, The forum is indeed a minority, This is just a tiny fraction of an even larger fan base, That exist outside of this forum, Whether it be on Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, or any social Media sites.

You're right? And didn't the majority of those people hate it too?

They didn't change their plans to make the turtles aliens or Shredder Eric Sachs based on us complaining about it here; it was everywhere.

Likewise all these sweeping changes to the sequel were not done because of the minority that posts on here. It's because they know a lot of people walked on deeply unhappy with it and they're ****-scared these people wont give a sequel a chance and are pulling out all the stops they can afford to appease them and us enough to give the sequel a shot.

[Bry]

Fans like me and possibly half a billion contributed to it win cause we enjoy it. Sure we'd like it to be better...

Which was my entire point, yeah? If you legitimately enjoy it, that's totally fine. If you think it's ideal as-is, okay, great. But if you legitimately want something better and you keep supporting something sub-par for the sake of supporting it... you're helping keep it down. That's just how it is.

So what if it's made by Bay team? Transformers still runs today and making billions of blockbuster films. Does it tainted the series? The toons still goes on, you can watch that. Same thing applies to TMNT, you can watch Nick. The company make money, customers are happy, win-win situation. Only deluded fans like yourself thinks that everyone looses in this situation.

Some haters hate the Bay turtles movies so much, why waste your time here? If I don't like a movie, I don't watch it and leave, that's it. Like going to a bad restaurant, never going back there. And yet here you are, wasting away days, years even. That's just sad.Why waste so much energy ranting non-stop. No, cause you have the right to say things? Oh cause freedom of speech? Yeah say your piece in the reviews section, then that's it. No need to sound like a broken record. Go find something else to love, be passionate positively, live your life.

I think you're making some serious assumptions here. I do watch the Nick show and read the IDW comic, and I enjoy them a lot. I'm not wanting for anything, and Platinum Dunes making some awful movies isn't keeping me up at night. I do wish we could get something better from the potentially widest-reaching current media version of this property, and yeah, I'm a fan -- enough of a fan to have written a couple thousand posts here -- and seeing something so bland, lazy, and cynical attached to this property is something that upsets me. I feel very strongly that it's capable of a lot more, and I'm not gonna stop calling for that, because I don't want this property getting tossed in the garbage again after years of awful, cynical money-grabs like it did in the '90s. Because it's not just here - check any place people are talking about these movies and you'll see a lot of criticism. They're deeply divisive, and that isn't helping the property or the fandom one bit.

But it's not my top priority in life. Talking about this, or debating, or even arguing, is a little fun "escape" on the side. I love TMNT and I love talking about it, and it just so happens that takes the form of criticizing a bad movie and a probably-bad sequel that are in the pop-cultural consciousness right now. If you think I'm just constantly teeming with rage over these stupid movies, you're dead wrong. I save that kind of stuff for the times I check in here. And I appreciate having this space to do that.

Because, again, I'm a fan. I want to see this property live up to its full potential. I want to see good movies, good shows, and good comics that keep pushing the potential of these characters and concepts. You may see that as negative and cynical, but I think the opposite's true - accepting something sub-par as "good enough" seems a lot more cynical to me.

[Commenter 42]

Some haters hate the Bay turtles movies so much, why waste your time here? If I don't like a movie, I don't watch it and leave, that's it. Like going to a bad restaurant, never going back there. And yet here you are, wasting away days, years even. That's just sad.Why waste so much energy ranting non-stop. No, cause you have the right to say things? Oh cause freedom of speech? Yeah say your piece in the reviews section, then that's it. No need to sound like a broken record.

Look at mr troll trolling his ****ing troll self, trying so damned hard to get a reaction.

Listen up kid, this right here is the goddamned Technodrome forums. It's the home of the people, for the people, and by the people, who have an unhealthy addiction to TMNT - not Michael Bay, and not some craptastic film bastardizing the lore.
You like PDMT? That's great, go find a place that shares your (severely questionable) tastes. No one here is pulling up stakes and rolling out on account of your immature **** disturbing posts.

Enough of the beating around the bush to make sure we all adhere to the rules. This putz is a fly in the ointment, who pisses all over the place like he owns the joint. Raise a valid point or STFU already.

Stop it with the trolling, or at least try and be interesting, funny, witty, something. even cubed makes sense from time to time. You, you're a hack man.

[pennydreadful]

Oh Bry, clearly you just don't understand. Our choices are to either be happy with junk food for the brain (because others like being num-num booby-fed by their entertainment and hey, if it's good enough for them, it should be good enough for us!) or to STFU.

Discussion, criticism and/or analysis isn't allowed! Shut up and be happy with what you're given or you'll go to bed hungry! Something being popular means it's good! Suckle at the teat of mindless consumerism! Having standards is for whiny pissbabies!

[TrickOrTreater]

You're right? And didn't the majority of those people hate it too?

They didn't change their plans to make the turtles aliens or Shredder Eric Sachs based on us complaining about it here; it was everywhere.

Likewise all these sweeping changes to the sequel were not done because of the minority that posts on here. It's because they know a lot of people walked on deeply unhappy with it and they're ****-scared these people wont give a sequel a chance and are pulling out all the stops they can afford to appease them and us enough to give the sequel a shot.

Which was my entire point, yeah? If you legitimately enjoy it, that's totally fine. If you think it's ideal as-is, okay, great. But if you legitimately want something better and you keep supporting something sub-par for the sake of supporting it... you're helping keep it down. That's just how it is.



I think you're making some serious assumptions here. I do watch the Nick show and read the IDW comic, and I enjoy them a lot. I'm not wanting for anything, and Platinum Dunes making some awful movies isn't keeping me up at night. I do wish we could get something better from the potentially widest-reaching current media version of this property, and yeah, I'm a fan -- enough of a fan to have written a couple thousand posts here -- and seeing something so bland, lazy, and cynical attached to this property is something that upsets me. I feel very strongly that it's capable of a lot more, and I'm not gonna stop calling for that, because I don't want this property getting tossed in the garbage again after years of awful, cynical money-grabs like it did in the '90s. Because it's not just here - check any place people are talking about these movies and you'll see a lot of criticism. They're deeply divisive, and that isn't helping the property or the fandom one bit.

But it's not my top priority in life. Talking about this, or debating, or even arguing, is a little fun "escape" on the side. I love TMNT and I love talking about it, and it just so happens that takes the form of criticizing a bad movie and a probably-bad sequel that are in the pop-cultural consciousness right now. If you think I'm just constantly teeming with rage over these stupid movies, you're dead wrong. I save that kind of stuff for the times I check in here. And I appreciate having this space to do that.

Because, again, I'm a fan. I want to see this property live up to its full potential. I want to see good movies, good shows, and good comics that keep pushing the potential of these characters and concepts. You may see that as negative and cynical, but I think the opposite's true - accepting something sub-par as "good enough" seems a lot more cynical to me.

Look at mr troll trolling his ****ing troll self, trying so damned hard to get a reaction.

Listen up kid, this right here is the goddamned Technodrome forums. It's the home of the people, for the people, and by the people, who have an unhealthy addiction to TMNT - not Michael Bay, and not some craptastic film bastardizing the lore.
You like PDMT? That's great, go find a place that shares your (severely questionable) tastes. No one here is pulling up stakes and rolling out on account of your immature **** disturbing posts.

Enough of the beating around the bush to make sure we all adhere to the rules. This putz is a fly in the ointment, who pisses all over the place like he owns the joint. Raise a valid point or STFU already.

Stop it with the trolling, or at least try and be interesting, funny, witty, something. even cubed makes sense from time to time. You, you're a hack man.

Oh Bry, clearly you just don't understand. Our choices are to either be happy with junk food for the brain (because others like being num-num booby-fed by their entertainment and hey, if it's good enough for them, it should be good enough for us!) or to STFU.

Discussion, criticism and/or analysis isn't allowed! Shut up and be happy with what you're given or you'll go to bed hungry! Something being popular means it's good! Suckle at the teat of mindless consumerism! Having standards is for whiny pissbabies!

http://i.imgur.com/nl9DpR3.gif?1

Sounds like we're just severely out of f*cks to give.

[Leo656]

I'm glad we all had fun today. And I hope we all learned something. I know I did.

What did you learn today, Orko?

http://memecrunch.com/meme/1SSVQ/orko-wisdom/image.png

Oh, god. GOD. You're just... SO retarded, Orko. Forget I even asked.

[Commenter 42]

I'm glad we all had fun today. And I hope we all learned something. I know I did.

What did you learn today, Orko?

http://memecrunch.com/meme/1SSVQ/orko-wisdom/image.png

Oh, god. GOD. You're just... SO retarded, Orko. Forget I even asked.

I mean, I like it, but I always wondered why Orko's hat clashed with his shirt. Is Orco colorblind?

[Huzzah]

I don't know why people take so much personal in these forums, if someone just makes you that frustrated, they make the ignore option for a reason.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I must be a very dysfunctional person because I severely enjoy everyone's screaming/pissing/namecalling matches.

Or I'm a Sith Lord. Yeah, that's it. "Let the hate flow through you" and all that pizazz.

Let's compare Guardians of the Galaxy to TMNT, shall we? One broke the mold and proved that it wasn't just for children, it was for everyone. Intelligent writing, characters and plot twists that made sense, and great toy sales. TMNT? Obviously just for children who don't notice little things like terrible writing, last minute script rewrites and recasts, and nonsensible third act evil plans. PAINFULLY OBVIOUS to anyone of intelligence, but kids will eat it up. It also killed Lego's license for TMNT because of lousy toy sales.

One method establishes to the world at large that this brand can be taken seriously. One method only gets ticket sales because of curiosity, nostalgia, and parents taking their insufferable kids so as to get them out of the house.

Now did I personally enjoy TMNT? Yes, I did, in spite of all it's problems. Am I satisfied with it? Aw hell no. Am I expecting the sequel to be better? NO. Hoping, yes; expecting, no.

We should be terrified of this sequel, not fawning all over it like insipid people with poor taste.

If Spiderman can lose his current film franchise because of terrible movies, indie characters with a narrower market should be shaking in their shells...

[Leo656]

I mean, I like it, but I always wondered why Orko's hat clashed with his shirt. Is Orco colorblind?

I'mma say yes. :lol:

[Candy Kappa]

Considering Orko in reality is Saruman and Gandalf combined of they weren't confined to their frail human bodies. He can wear whatever he wants :lol:

[Leo656]

That's actually how pimps dress on Trolla. :lol:
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/characters/images/5/5b/Orko.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130429065307

Note the over-sized gold chain and walking stick. :tgrin:

[Huzzah]

Not a walking stick, a pimp cane.

[Commenter 42]

That's actually how pimps dress on Trolla. :lol:
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/characters/images/5/5b/Orko.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130429065307

Note the over-sized gold chain and walking stick. :tgrin:

Tell me you also have a picture of his face...

Remember that scene? That really weird "can we look at each other without our hats" sex scene.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/42/DreeElle.jpg/150px-DreeElle.jpg

lmkx7a7ldO0

[Leo656]

:lol: Who could forget! :lol: Poor Dree Elle.

[TigerClaw]

just found out Brian Tee is a guest on Adam Carolla's Podcast, The Podcast will be posted this Sunday, Maybe he talks a little about TMNT 2, and how he got the role.
https://instagram.com/p/3dK3FMEhtT/

[TigerClaw]

Video of Brian Tee talking about TMNT 2.

OSL-RWni_C8

He talks about what his Shredder is going to be like.

[pennydreadful]

I swear I'm getting deja vu...

[Leo656]

Multiple threads posting the exact same stuff mixed with impotent begging to stick to the mundane topics at hand? Yeah, I knooooooow. :trazz::trazz::trazz:

[pennydreadful]

Shill for the franchise, Leo. You know you want to.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tn93Wggx9_k/UgOheoJQ3uI/AAAAAAAAHsE/7FZvf7M-RXQ/s400/h10581317.gif

[Leo656]

It's like people only do things because they get paid. And that's just really sad.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Might I direct you to this?


http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/215/a/e/aee7304e789a3645bb80aad0262a336c-d434toa.jpg

[pennydreadful]

Does that mean we're gonna be like, stupid rich?

http://www.travelfreak.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/the-mask-jim-carrey-money-gif.gif

[IndigoErth]

LOL @ the lady in the background who knows the answer.

[Leo656]

Any second now that sum'bitch is gonna do a 360 spin like some Exorcist sh*t. :lol::lol::lol:

[TrickOrTreater]

Any second now that sum'bitch is gonna do a 360 spin like some Exorcist sh*t. :lol::lol::lol:

http://i.imgur.com/3UAWe7n.gif?1

[Shark_Blade]

Video of Brian Tee talking about TMNT 2.

OSL-RWni_C8

He talks about what his Shredder is going to be like.

He sounds very down to earth and likeable. I didn't realize he was Liu Kang in MK web series, probably cause of the beard and moustache. :tlol:

[TigerClaw]

Check out this good interview with Brian Tee, He talks about his career, Being in Tokyo Drift, Jurassic World, and talks a little about TMNT 2, He doesn't really reveal anything specific about this Shredder, He also explains the backstory of the 1st film. He also happens to be half Japanese, Half Korean, And he used to dressed up as the Shredder when he was a kid.
http://www.mrmokelly.com/2015/06/jurassic-world-co-star-brian-tee-visits-the-mokelly-show/

[Foombamaroom]

"They're going to make you relate to him."

HOW? HAMATO YOSHI AND TANG SHEN HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED!

[TigerClaw]

"They're going to make you relate to him."

HOW? HAMATO YOSHI AND TANG SHEN HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED!
You can sometimes have villains be relatable, When they have justifiable reason, But this is the Shredder, I don't know how you can make him relatable.

[Galactus]

^^^

Kinda like all the stuff that would make the turtles relateable in the last movie?

I remember a few of the actors talking up the whole idea that the turtles would feel alienated from the humanity and that was a major theme of the movie. Either they were blowing smoke or it all ended on the cutting room floor.

Quite frankly "relateable" could mean anything. I mean not being in shadow all the time and having more than a handful of lines makes him instantly more relateable than how the character was in the last movie.

[TigerClaw]

^^^

Kinda like all the stuff that would make the turtles relateable in the last movie?

I remember a few of the actors talking up the whole idea that the turtles would feel alienated from the humanity and that was a major theme of the movie. Either they were blowing smoke or it all ended on the cutting room floor.

Quite frankly "relateable" could mean anything. I mean not being in shadow all the time and having more than a handful of lines makes him instantly more relateable than how the character was in the last movie.
Shredder is kind of relatable in the Nick series, Perhaps they are going that route?

The whole relationship he has with his daughter Karai, Perhaps we will see that in the sequel, since we seen set images of the two together.

[Galactus]

Shredder is kind of relatable in the Nick series, Perhaps they are going that route?

Well Tohoru Masamune's version seemed to be visually based on the Shredder from the Nickelodeon series but now that seems to have gone in favor of a more Steve Barron version with a single scar.

Strange thing is given the origin for Splinter and the turtles then Shredder being based on those versions seems improbable. As someone said the lack of Yoshi or Tang Shen means he can't be like either of those versions. Although to be fair the could add in Yoshi and Shen but with Splinter being from a lab instead of belonging to Yoshi or actually being a form a Yoshi then how would it relate to the turtles which is kinda the whole point of the backstory anyway.

[IndigoErth]

Only way I can think to squeeze Yoshi in there at this point is to go the DNA route and have some revelation that there was human DNA used in the mutagen, coming from a man named Yoshi. (Cripe, it could be used explain these Turtles heavily leaning toward being human-ish. Commence identity crisis.) Then bring him in somehow.

[Galactus]

It's entirely possible that they can try and retroactively insert a more standard backstory to Splinter and Shredder but I honestly don't think it can be done without heavy reaching.

I've seen a lot of suggestions that Splinter had some of Yoshi's DNA thus he's programmed with the Yoshi's ninjutsu abilities and memories. This would kind of contradict the turtles and Splinter being test subjects for a cure to a specific disease but putting that aside why would Saki want to give lab animals the abilities of a guy he hated?

Same with the idea that prior to being in the lab Splinter was Yoshi's pet. Considering that they seemed to desperately avoid a normal rat doing extra-normal things then how would he end up at TCRI? Would Shredder take him there? Now I've killed Yoshi I shall take my ultimate revenge and use his pet for animal testing HA, HA, HA"

[IndigoErth]

Now I've killed Yoshi I shall take my ultimate revenge and use his pet for animal testing HA, HA, HA"
:lol:

"I'll get you! And your little dog rat, too!"


Whole thing is one big contradiction already either way. Trying to make a cure, it mutates your lab animals - what kind of side effect is that?? Then when you take it out of them you intend to use it as-is for a cure. Righhhht.

[Technogeek29]

:lol:

"I'll get you! And your little dog rat, too!"


Whole thing is one big contradiction already either way. Trying to make a cure, it mutates your lab animals - what kind of side effect is that?? Then when you take it out of them you intend to use it as-is for a cure. Righhhht.

Hmm mutations to improve humanity? Wow
http://media.moddb.com/images/articles/1/102/101580/auto/ResidentEvilSeries.jpg
never seen that before...