Should the Turtles be redesigned for the sequel?

[CyberCubed]

So the designs of the Turtles were very poorly received. Instead of being slim and small ninja's, these Turtles were 6 foot tall hulking monsters with hideous nostrils. Even worse was their "accessories" like Leo having tattoo's or Don wearing glasses, or Mikey's sunglasses danging from him, wtf was up with that?

While they probably can't change the designs too much in order to remain in continuity, do you think they can alter some things? Drop the glasses for Donatello entirely, remove some of their human accessories, and phase out the nostrils at the least. They would still be 6 foot tall Hulk ripoffs, but at least some of the more offensive stuff would be gone.

[TrickOrTreater]

Anybody have any info on the toy sales from the first movie?

[Sabacooza]

I say they should keep the nostrils just to annoy you.:lol:

[Vicky82]

I'm not bothered but I'm guessing the the turtles will probably change a little bit, like wearing different accessories ect because Playmates will want different toys to sell.

[Powder]

Anybody have any info on the toy sales from the first movie?

Virtually everyone who talked about them in our Toy Section reported the same thing, that they were shelf-warming harder than any TMNT line ever did in the past. As a matter of fact, they recently changed the packaging of the movie line to match the Nick series, in the hopes they can fool parents into buying them. :tlol:

What's sad is I would've bought them regardless of my dislike for the series/designs just to have representation on my shelf, but man, those were some baaaad toys.

[TrickOrTreater]

Virtually everyone who talked about them in our Toy Section reported the same thing, that they were shelf-warming harder than any TMNT line ever did in the past. As a matter of fact, they recently changed the packaging of the movie line to match the Nick series, in the hopes they can fool parents into buying them. :tlol:

What's sad is I would've bought them regardless of my dislike for the series/designs just to have representation on my shelf, but man, those were some baaaad toys.

Hmm. Well, if that's indicative of a trend in stores nationwide, that means there's a possibility the designs MIGHT change a bit.

To answer the thread title, SHOULD they change? God yes. They're awful. Ninja Turtles shouldn't be over 6 feet tall, hulked out, bulletproof, overly-accessorized monsters.

WILL they? Remains to be seen. I have my doubts but you never know.

[IndigoErth]

Granted this is redundant for the other designs thread recently posted in, but...

For the most part, no... Physically, just let up on the steroids, as well as the shell, they're dang sliders, not box turtles, even if Sacks stupidly calls them that later in the first film. The mass of those shells almost makes my own back hurt.

Otherwise, leave them alone because the only thing messing with it would probably do it just put everyone back at square one with finding acceptance of designs for this set of films.

As for their gear/clothing, Mikey and Donnie need to let up on it, Leo and Raph are fine imo, though I'm sure for merchandise they'll no doubt have a costume change.

I'm still kinda surprised they gave Leo tattoos. The one most likely to be a bit of a purist? It's unreasonable for those to disappear though. I don't mind it, but at least actually give us reason they are meaningful to him. Not just because "teenager" and "tattoos are cool."

Otherwise, just please make an effort to get some flattering shots in there (because dear god some angles and lighting are not flattering on these guys), esp of my fave and make me wanna hug him a time or two, then I can settle with that. (But for the love of turtle gods, extract Knoxville from his vocal cords, please.)

I'm kinda ok with the noses now. Leo at least. Donnie likewise since he's wider like Leo, but would be more flattering without the glasses. Mikey and Raph... too much "puppy" or something going on there.

[Candy Kappa]

They'll probably not, but at the very least, I hope they go a bit back to the original concept art where they at least was less bulky and a little less problematic.

But I doubt anything besides maybe clothes will change.

[TrickOrTreater]

They'll probably not, but at the very least, I hope they go a bit back to the original concept art where they at least was less bulky and a little less problematic.

But I doubt anything besides maybe clothes will change.

God, some of that concept art was so great.

[plastroncafe]

I think they should. I found the designs to be waaaaay busier than necessary. Stream line them a bit while they've got the opportunity.

[TigerClaw]

So the designs of the Turtles were very poorly received. Instead of being slim and small ninja's, these Turtles were 6 foot tall hulking monsters with hideous nostrils. Even worse was their "accessories" like Leo having tattoo's or Don wearing glasses, or Mikey's sunglasses danging from him, wtf was up with that?

While they probably can't change the designs too much in order to remain in continuity, do you think they can alter some things? Drop the glasses for Donatello entirely, remove some of their human accessories, and phase out the nostrils at the least. They would still be 6 foot tall Hulk ripoffs, but at least some of the more offensive stuff would be gone.
I like the new designs, The nostrils and everything didn't bother me, Besides, The designs should stay the same, Except maybe they could use less clothing and less accessories, Besides, For continuity sake, They have to look like they did before.

They are currently using a placeholder model for Leo and Raph on the set, And judging from it, They will look the same.

http://meganfoxworld.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/45~6.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The ONLY problems I have with the PD designs are:

#1) PD's lack of subtlety in distinguishing Donatello as the "geek". Lose the Ghostbusters backpack, the non-traditional bo staff, and either the glasses or the goggles.

#2) The size. Everyone repeat after me: "NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

[plastroncafe]

e.

http://meganfoxworld.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/45~6.jpg

That image is going to haunt my nightmares.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

http://meganfoxworld.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/45~6.jpg

honestly if the looked like this..Lack of all the extra stuff....i wouldve bought the movie

[Shark_Blade]

For continuity sake, they won't.

[IndigoErth]

#2) The size. Everyone repeat after me: "NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.
I'm actually kinda ok with them being tall. This time. :tlol: *ducks*

I can embrace the viciously skilled ninjas (they're ninjas, right...?) who, if you know them, are really just gentle giants.

I could embrace it better if they allowed them to be 25 or 30-years-old. (So it works better as just, oh, um, surprise! They ended up bigger as adults than expected.)


I however could do without the steroids that make them look even bigger than they are.

And I do not however embrace being bullet proof. That was stupid.

Also being big however is no excuse for not still being highly trained to act stealthy...

[CyberCubed]

I just wish they would get rid of those god awful nostrils. There's a reason the Turtles never had nostrils in any other incarnation, they are hideous and ugly to look at.

Its amazing how two holes can make all the difference. Mikey especially looks just like Shrek.

[Autbot_Benz]

I just wish they would get rid of those god awful nostrils. There's a reason the Turtles never had nostrils in any other incarnation, they are hideous and ugly to look at.

Its amazing how two holes can make all the difference. Mikey especially looks just like Shrek.

Shut up about the ****ing nostrils seriously!

[plastroncafe]

honestly if the looked like this..Lack of all the extra stuff....i wouldve bought the movie

Agreed. Or at very least I'd have bought more of the movie. Everything else added was distracting.

[IndigoErth]

I just wish they would get rid of those god awful nostrils. There's a reason the Turtles never had nostrils in any other incarnation, they are hideous and ugly to look at.

Its amazing how two holes can make all the difference. Mikey especially looks just like Shrek.

Stare deep into the abyss.
https://secure.static.tumblr.com/37035fda1f6b17549763c1c98a0345d2/yru3436/3R1nni826/tumblr_static_filename_640_v2.png

Had to go hunting for that shot that I'd see in Google image search results within the last few days, wasn't sure what day, so that took effort. You're welcome.
This guy though, come on... That ain't so bad.

https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hprofile-xpf1/v/t1.0-1/p200x200/10264282_10203567025288898_2414756327414787203_n.j pg?oh=3775a8184fb0fd0299b82f8a61b51c74&oe=55988E2D

At least some shots. Although to be fair all four of them have screen shots that should be burned.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I just wish they would get rid of those god awful nostrils. There's a reason the Turtles never had nostrils in any other incarnation, they are hideous and ugly to look at.

Its amazing how two holes can make all the difference. Mikey especially looks just like Shrek.

Like YOUR nostrils are any sexier.

Stop with the f***ing nostril-shaming!!! :tmad:

[Candy Kappa]

No no, they need bigger nostrils.

Nostrils all the way.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/255/7/6/the_nose_knows_by_candykappa-d7yvcfv.jpg

huge, vibrating nostrils!

[chrisdude]

They will DEFINITELY change the designs. They need to differentiate themselves so that kids will buy new toys. Transformers made this mistake, and watched their sales drop for two films. Why would you buy a new Bumblebee when he looks the same? Hasbro publicly acknowledged that mistake and redesigned all their Transformers for the fourth film. So they learned from that mistake, and won't make it again.

But I don't expect anything more than clothes to change. Heck, they may only be wearing clothes in the first movie as a built-in way to change the action figures each film.

[Walkabout]

I always see Cubed getting thrashed for bringing up the nostrils thing but I feel exactly the same way about them as he does.

Leo is the best of the bunch, but that's damning with faint praise and I can't stand the sight of these...these...turtles.

[Foombamaroom]

I don't see them changing the designs too drastically. The nostrils are fine on everyone except Mikey, in my opinion. But I do think they're going to make the Turtles less muscular. I don't mind them being six feet tall, as long as they're not *HUGE*. Like, Donnie, in my opinion, had the best body out of all of the Turtles.

I feel like the main problem is that they're all so damn top-heavy. Raph's bicepts are fine for his character, but they do need to slim him down a little bit more. Also, I feel like Leo should match Donnie's body, too. Mikey's body I'm fine with, since he's shorter.

[Foombamaroom]

Also, everyone's all like, "Should the Turtles be redesigned?"

I can deal with the Turtles. The one who needs a major makeover is Shredder. I swear to God, if I see those swiss army knives pop out of his hands again, I'm going to be like CyberCubed with the nostrils.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

I just wish they would get rid of those god awful nostrils. There's a reason the Turtles never had nostrils in any other incarnation, they are hideous and ugly to look at.

Its amazing how two holes can make all the difference. Mikey especially looks just like Shrek.

But turtles do have nostrils.

[Wolfie65]

Americans in general - American movie audiences in particular - have trouble accepting someone who isn't at least 6'2, 220 (GONG!) as an action hero - or an athlete, for that matter.
The fact that Ninjas tend to be relatively small, wiry guys with mad flexibility, gymnastics, martial arts and weapon skills who are excellent at blending in and going unnoticed is pretty lost on them, they want HULK SMASH!!! with mega-muscles only achievable by emptying 1970's East Germany's arsenal of steroids.
The additional fact that neither red-eared sliders (original Turtle lore) nor box turtles (2014 moovee lore) turtles get very big is also irrelevant, they want The Turtle That Who Ate Cleveland. As a teenager.
I'm almost afraid to ask how über-hyper-extra-mega-ginormously-quintuple-super L A R G E Bebop and Rocksteady will be......
Nostrils?
Who cares? They're too far skyward to see anyway......

[jenna]

I've said it a thousand times, and I'm not shy about saying it again:

Massive, hulking, bullet-proof turtles with strength and power does not serve the plot. It does not serve the concept. These turtles weren't ninjas. They weren't stealthy. They weren't fast. We barely even saw much in the way of martial arts skills.

Small turtles who use swift, stealthy skill to avoid bullets is MUCH more interesting.


The fact that Ninjas tend to be relatively small, wiry guys with mad flexibility, gymnastics, martial arts and weapon skills who are excellent at blending in and going unnoticed is pretty lost on them, they want HULK SMASH!!!



Yup. Basically this.

So yes, in my mind, they should be redesigned. Whether or not they will be is another thing. From the on-set pics that are now coming out, the mo-cap suits include those little antennae used to map eye-line, so it looks like the size has not been altered. And if the height remains, pretty certain the hideous frames will remain too.

The nostrils don't bother me at all. Turtles have nostrils. Fact. It adds realism. I'd like to see their faces a tad less human though.

As for the ugliness. Personally, I prefer them when they aren't quite so hard on the eyes.

[IndigoErth]

Also, I feel like Leo should match Donnie's body, too.

Nooo... :tlol: Leo could use a little bit of a steroid intervention himself (though not as much as Raph), but keep a reasonable amount of the muscle tone, please. :trazz: Donnie is so much the opposite out of obvious geek stereotype, you'd think he almost never trains at all and yet he's just as skilled.

Leo looked great in some of that late concept art. Athletic, a bit heroic, right amount of muscle. There's some obvious resemblance to the actual film model, but clearly he, as well as his brothers, got abused somewhere along the way between concept and screen ready. :ohwell:

The one who needs a major makeover is Shredder. I swear to God, if I see those swiss army knives pop out of his hands again, I'm going to be like CyberCubed with the nostrils.
:tlol: Yeah... They kind of hurt themselves by going with a Super[duper] Shredder from the get go. Where can they really even go from there that wouldn't be ridiculous.

[Tora]

hideous nostrils. .

:tlol: You're the first person I think of when I see the "Nostrils" on these turtles!

But yeah a trimmed down design with less going on would be nice for sure. I just hope they don't recycle the same models as it would seem the turtles never ever change out of their clothes :tlol:

[graphic_content]

I'm willing to be the TURTLES are gonna be somewhat smaller this time around...

...when filming the first movie...notice how HIGH above his head are the 'eye markers' for RAPHAEL:

http://i.imgur.com/tQI7cV3.jpg

THIS time around...they are directly on top of his head.

http://i.imgur.com/osn8T9b.jpg

OF COURSE that isnt definitive proof, but still.

[IndigoErth]

Hmm, very interesting. It at least adjusts Fox's eye line a little, so maybe?

Mocap outfits look new. Doubt it means anything (and maybe they simply made adjustments that don't affect it but make it easier to do the work?), but the shell also doesn't look quite as bulky.

[TrickOrTreater]

Hmm, very interesting. It at least adjusts Fox's eye line a little, so maybe?

Mocap outfits look new. Doubt it means anything (and maybe they simply made adjustments that don't affect it but make it easier to do the work?), but the shell also doesn't look quite as bulky.

It's probably in an effort to let the actors move better/easier.

[Commenter 42]

Everyone repeat after me: "NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.


"NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

"NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

"NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

[TigerClaw]

"NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

"NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.

"NO MORE SIX-FOOT BULLET-PROOF HULKS WITH SHELLS!" Four feet tall, maybe five at the most.
Not gonna happen, For continuity sake, they will be the same size.

Last thing we want, Are people going. "WTF? I thought they were taller? Why are they short?"

Why are they short? Cause the fans complained.

[IndigoErth]

Adjusting the scale of the models within a scene is prob the easier change to make, but yeah, prob not going to happen or minimal at best.

With the eye targets still on their helmets then it can be ruled out any chance that the Turtles will be made a traditional height.

[Krutch]

Yeah, I have a feeling they'll be knocked down a peg or so but not as much as we'd like. Maybe once they tried to write the obligatory Raph vs Casey fight scene they were like "Oh...maybe 8 foot tall bulletproof monsters weren't the best call."

[TigerClaw]

The only thing I see happening is, They may or may not have much clothing and accessories on them.

[NinjaPug]

Haha. The people who enjoyed the first PD movie don't care about a thing like continuity.

[CyberCubed]

Ways to improve the Turtles:

- Make then slimmer, less bulky and shorter. They won't be changed too much but maybe we can see an improvement.

- Remove all the human clothes or objects on them. No sunglasses, do-rags, human shorts, any of that nonsense.

- No bullet-proof garbage. They're ninja's not 4 Hulks.

- Get rid of those god awful nostrils or tone them down so we don't notice them. Whoever thought giving the Turtles noses was a good thing needs to be fired and never work in Hollywood ever again. Give them nose jobs, PLEASE.

Lastly I'm sure Shredder will get new armor. This is a new casted Shredder, maybe we can see him in a more traditional design compared to the first movie.

[Autbot_Benz]

Ways to improve the Turtles:

- Make then slimmer, less bulky and shorter. They won't be changed too much but maybe we can see an improvement.

- Remove all the human clothes or objects on them. No sunglasses, do-rags, human shorts, any of that nonsense.

- No bullet-proof garbage. They're ninja's not 4 Hulks.

- Get rid of those god awful nostrils or tone them down so we don't notice them. Whoever thought giving the Turtles noses was a good thing needs to be fired and never work in Hollywood ever again. Give them nose jobs, PLEASE.

Lastly I'm sure Shredder will get new armor. This is a new casted Shredder, maybe we can see him in a more traditional design compared to the first movie.

I think you secretly beat off to those turtle nostrils when nobody is looking. You are obsessed with them.

[TigerClaw]

Ways to improve the Turtles:

- Make then slimmer, less bulky and shorter. They won't be changed too much but maybe we can see an improvement.

- Remove all the human clothes or objects on them. No sunglasses, do-rags, human shorts, any of that nonsense.

- No bullet-proof garbage. They're ninja's not 4 Hulks.

- Get rid of those god awful nostrils or tone them down so we don't notice them. Whoever thought giving the Turtles noses was a good thing needs to be fired and never work in Hollywood ever again. Give them nose jobs, PLEASE.

Lastly I'm sure Shredder will get new armor. This is a new casted Shredder, maybe we can see him in a more traditional design compared to the first movie.
The only way they can be slimmer? If they stop eating Pizza.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Maybe Splinter will just increase their training and make it more intensive. Which- might make them shorter, too?? I dunno- let THEM figure it out.... :trazz:

[Huzzah]

Honestly I have no issues with the overall look of the Turtles, I'm hoping for a slight size decrease, and I would love for Leo's bamboo armor to go away. As far as Donnie goes, I like the nontraditional staff, but I wouldn't mind the glasses gone.

[hitmonkey]

I'm certain they'll be tweaked, but not overhauled. Characters between sequels in films like these always get their designs adjusted, because filmmakers always feel they can improve what was done before. I'm expecting the same as a lot of people, which are smaller, slimmer Turtles (not dramatically smaller, but noticeable), new and less busy accessories, and some minor facial tweaks. That's about it.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

-Slim them down and shorten them so the tallest is only about 6 ft.

-Less clothes/accessories. I don't mind them wearing more than a belt and some knee/elbow pads to show off their personality, but the designs were way too busy.

-Dehumanize their facial features.

[METALHEAD]

dont change a damn thing. theyre perfect.

[Foombamaroom]

Nooo... :tlol: Leo could use a little bit of a steroid intervention himself (though not as much as Raph), but keep a reasonable amount of the muscle tone, please. :trazz: Donnie is so much the opposite out of obvious geek stereotype, you'd think he almost never trains at all and yet he's just as skilled.

Leo looked great in some of that late concept art. Athletic, a bit heroic, right amount of muscle. There's some obvious resemblance to the actual film model, but clearly he, as well as his brothers, got abused somewhere along the way between concept and screen ready. :ohwell:


:tlol: Yeah... They kind of hurt themselves by going with a Super[duper] Shredder from the get go. Where can they really even go from there that wouldn't be ridiculous.

1. I feel like Leo's shoulder pads make him look bigger. I dunno. Maybe it's the gear?

2. That's not even Shredder, though. That's Shredatron. The whole point of Shredder's armor is that it's defensive, but it's light enough so that he can move around and take the offensive side. That armor makes no sense. You wouldn't be able to move in that damned thing.

[sdp]

The turtles mostly grew on me but a slight re-design would definitely be great there's just some scenes they look terrible.

[Commenter 42]

dont change a damn thing. theyre perfect.

Sarcasm? I Sincerely hope that's sarcasm.

[Andrew NDB]

There's no redemption. Scorch the earth. Rebuild.

[shuriken]

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/37035fda1f6b17549763c1c98a0345d2/yru3436/3R1nni826/tumblr_static_filename_640_v2.png

Had to go hunting for that shot that I'd see in Google image search results within the last few days, wasn't sure what day, so that took effort. You're welcome.


All I could think when looking at this pic was DONKEH

[neatoman]

There's no redemption. Scorch the earth. Rebuild.

Just like Peter Laird did to volume 3.

[MrTMNT2012]

They look perfect just the way they are.

[Shark_Blade]

dont change a damn thing. theyre perfect.
They look perfect just the way they are.
*high fives* :D Same.

[Wolfie65]

It's perfectly doable to make something very much like pizza, but without all the grease. It's also possible for Splinter to put them on a more turtley, Ninja-esque diet of mostly veggies. All part of the training, my sons......
Which will take down some of the bulk, but don't losing body fat doesn't turn Mr. Olympia into Bruce Lee. They also need to quit the juice.
Don't expect them to get much shorter.
Movies such as this one aren't just for boys anymore, and female viewers would be HIGHLY offended by a 4 1/2 foot Michelangelo making the moves on April.
Which is also why Peter Jackson's films VERY loosely based on The Hobbit had to turn Thorin (the Dwarf) into The Second Coming of Aragorn Heartthrob.
The vast array of accessories doesn't bother me too much, I guess it's their version of the color/letter identification used in the original cartoon.
Bulletproof shells sorta make sense, first of all, it gives them a chance against today's fairly heavily armed street gangs - today's police are basically a paramilitary unit precisely because of this - and second, some aquatic turtles have shells that can withstand shark bites. If a snapping turtle's shell can stop a shark's jaws, a mutant turtle shell might stop a bullet.

[IndigoErth]

The only way they can be slimmer? If they stop eating Pizza.
But who wants to be known as the mean person who made the Turtles sad. :lol:
It's also possible for Splinter to put them on a more turtley, Ninja-esque diet of mostly veggies.
Now that's just crueler punishment than the hashi. lol


There are some pudgy Turtles hiding underneath that muscle though. lol April needs to hook them up with easier access to stuff that's better for them. (Before they keel over on some rooftop because their cholesterol levels are through the, uh, roof.)

[THGhost]

CyberCubed: Turtles HAVE nostrils, okay? This was already proven to you ages ago.

Keep them the same, they're perfectly fine as they are.

dont change a damn thing. theyre perfect.

They look perfect just the way they are.

*high fives* :D Same.

Glad I'm not the only one who likes them. :P

[samxsteal]

CyberCubed: Turtles HAVE nostrils, okay? This was already proven to you ages ago.

Keep them the same, they're perfectly fine as they are.







Glad I'm not the only one who likes them. :P

its no surprise i also love them. Though i have a hunch they will be at least slightly smaller

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

if optimus prime* can gain abs between movies and have a complete rehual resigned DURING one movie i dont see why the turtles cant have slight size changes

*(and bumblebee)

make them smaller..if you wanna make em taller fine but dont need both size and height...Banner has that covered


if they need ideas say it was cause Sacks drained their blood

[Commenter 42]

What the serious ****.
So damned ugly. How any of you can be okay with this is mind blowing.

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/37035fda1f6b17549763c1c98a0345d2/yru3436/3R1nni826/tumblr_static_filename_640_v2.png

[TurtleMikey]

We shouldn't expect any sort of radical change. We'll see some tweaks (slight height and build change; Also, they'll probably lose the clothes and armor in favor of their traditional pads and straps), but that's it.

Oh, and we'll probably see the plastron/shell design tweaked, so its a cleaner look, and doesn't look like their hiding huge johnsons under those improvised loin cloths.

[THGhost]

its no surprise i also love them. Though i have a hunch they will be at least slightly smaller

I agree on the size thing; they are a little on the big side. :lol:

What the serious ****.
So damned ugly. How any of you can be okay with this is mind blowing.

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/37035fda1f6b17549763c1c98a0345d2/yru3436/3R1nni826/tumblr_static_filename_640_v2.png

They're humanoid turtles. They look humanoid.

[d_osborn]

if optimus prime* can gain abs between movies and have a complete rehual resigned DURING one movie i dont see why the turtles cant have slight size changes

*(and bumblebee)

Well, they ARE Transformers...

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Well, they ARE Transformers...

and?

the still have redesigns between movies at times even characters who didnt need to have a redesign explained


ok how about...the hybrid wolf from underworld...humanoid creature different design in each film

or just straight up actor changes

Rachel Dawes- kaite holmes and Maggie gylienhaal place the same exact character

Rhodey- terrence howard and don cheadle again same character

so a design change would maybe be a bit shocker but it happenes

[turtlefanforever]

They absolutely need to change them. If they looked good. If they actually followed the general outline of what they should look like that has been followed throughout each movie and series it would improve the movie SO damn much.

They don't have to explain it. Just change them. People watching will be like "oh, well that's what they were supposed to look like from the start." And that'd be it.

OR (for you hardcore 2014 schills who think they can't do it without solid reasoning)
All they have to do is take a page out of the orignal series and say their mutations are become unstable or it's causing them to further evolve and then BAM! There's your reasoning and nobody blinks twice at it.

[Sabacooza]

I would've loved to have seen better designs but sadly, that ship has sailed. It would be too inconsistent to change it now. However, they've changed Shredder from an older guy that maybe could've passed for Sack's adoptive father to a young guy that is entirely unconvincing as Sack's adoptive father so what the hell, just change the designs. They're not going for consistency anyway.:lol:

[d_osborn]

However, they've changed Shredder from an older guy that maybe could've passed for Sack's adoptive father to a young guy that is entirely unconvincing as Sack's adoptive father so what the hell, just change the designs. They're not going for consistency anyway.:lol:
There hasn't been any confirmation that the age of the Shredder character has changed. The two actors look to be around the same age. The actor in the first movie wore old age makeup.

With all of the 3D assets already built and post-production pipeline established, I doubt anything major other than details will change in the creature design. I'm guessing gear/clothing changes, at most. Gotta have a reason to sell different toys!

[Commenter 42]

I agree on the size thing; they are a little on the big side. :lol:



They're humanoid turtles. They look humanoid.

Is that the "oid" you're going with? Look into those vacant, wide set, crossed eyes. As a consumer, you relate to this?

There but for the grace of god I suppose.

Keep fighting on the side of corperate America. Be proud!

[Huzzah]

What the serious ****.
So damned ugly. How any of you can be okay with this is mind blowing.

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/37035fda1f6b17549763c1c98a0345d2/yru3436/3R1nni826/tumblr_static_filename_640_v2.png

People always use that image, but it was not near as terrible in motion. Angles can make anyone look worse, and frankly, I liked the amount of emotion that the faces were able to express.

[IndigoErth]

Looking at that pic again, that's like the "about to sneeze but it just won't happen" look. :lol:
https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11174770_772378279551228_2817034870317676322_n.jpg ?oh=54488cc494422ea47523747118fbe383&oe=55CFE61B

[Commenter 42]

People always use that image, but it was not near as terrible in motion. Angles can make anyone look worse, and frankly, I liked the amount of emotion that the faces were able to express.

Fair enough. Feel free to post any still where he doesn't look mentally challenged.

[TrickOrTreater]

Fair enough. Feel free to post any still where he doesn't look mentally challenged.

Seriously. The designs don't have to look god-awful all the time for the characters to express emotion.

[Mew]

Haha. The people who enjoyed the first PD movie don't care about a thing like continuity.
I liked the movie and care about continuity. Screw you.

[TrickOrTreater]

I liked the movie and care about continuity. Screw you.

So did you notice the film's inconsistencies in continuity or noooot...?

[TurtleTitan97]

I wish. But I know it's not gonna happen, not by a long shot.

[TMNTChris1980]

Everything needs a redesign. Seriously, Splinter is one of the most disturbing things ever put on film.

The Turtles should not send shockwaves when they jump on objects. They're ninjas!!!

The thing that makes the turtles perfect is the fact that their design is so simple and perfect. Overly designing them (like what was done in the PD movie) is the biggest design mistake ever.

Shredder, where do you even begin? I seriously would love to see him keep shaking his arms down with more , and more, and more, and more blades until he was nothing but a highway of knives for New Yorkers to get around on.

Scorched earth approach guys. Redesign the Foot, TMNT, Shredder, Spliner, April, the lair, everything.

[Huzzah]

Hey now, there wasn't anything wrong with the lair.

[TrickOrTreater]

Hey now, there wasn't anything wrong with the lair.

The 10 seconds we saw of it during the fornicating of the origin in favor of making Megan O'Fox the center of it.

[Huzzah]

You often seem uptight, maybe a little angry. Sweet tea, a little gin, an excellent calming serum. Ooh, or a Twix Ice Cream Bar.

[Leo656]

Naaaaaaaaaah he's one of my favorite people here. Trick is the Real, not cheeseburger fatass jabroni like the rest of them. He always show the respect, percent 1000. That is why he is the Legend.

[Huzzah]

Regardless, Twix Ice Cream and/or gin and sweet tea are fantastic in any case

[Jester]

Regardless, Twix Ice Cream and/or gin and sweet tea are fantastic in any case
Always loved those Twix ice-cream bars. The little cookie balls are delightful.

[Tora]

Regardless, Twix Ice Cream and/or gin and sweet tea are fantastic in any case

HA! They are no SNICKERS ICE CREAM BARS!

[Huzzah]

Obviously no Snickers, Twix is far superior in candy bar/ice cream combo.

[graphic_content]

They absolutely need to change them. If they looked good. If they actually followed the general outline of what they should look like that has been followed throughout each movie and series it would improve the movie SO damn much.

They don't have to explain it. Just change them...

agreed. in the original live action trilogy, their general appearance changed for each film, and they did zero to explain it. audiences just kinda accepted that their look changed because of aesthetic/design choices, and thats that.

it would be funny if they did change their appearance, and upon seeing them, April said something quick like, "...you guys look different." and Mikey responds, "Really? Hard to tell because we see each other every day" and then they move on.

[Metalwolf]

I think you secretly beat off to those turtle nostrils when nobody is looking. You are obsessed with them.

....Soft, sensuous quivering nostrils

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/37035fda1f6b17549763c1c98a0345d2/yru3436/3R1nni826/tumblr_static_filename_640_v2.png


Anyhooo...

Maybe if they do a slight size reduction, they shouldn't go out of their way to point it out. I doubt all but the most hardcore fans will care, and they won't have to spend time 'explaining' why the Turtles ended up de-bulking between movies.

[Foombamaroom]

https://secure.static.tumblr.com/37035fda1f6b17549763c1c98a0345d2/yru3436/3R1nni826/tumblr_static_filename_640_v2.png


Anyhooo...

Maybe if they do a slight size reduction, they shouldn't go out of their way to point it out. I doubt all but the most hardcore fans will care, and they won't have to spend time 'explaining' why the Turtles ended up de-bulking between movies.

Nah, they just get a shot of the new lair and they pan over the garbage can, showing a bunch of empty steroid bottles.

[IndigoErth]

....Soft, sensuous quivering nostrils
:lol::tlol::lol:


I just consider now how it could have been worse, if finger and nostril width have any biological correlation and aren't simply a coincidence. With those pudgy humanoid hands of theirs, those nostrils might have been far more horrific if they intended on including any booger jokes. :lol: If they wanted to have Mikey standing there with his finger up his nose, he'd have to have something closer to cow nostrils. lol


Agree with Snickers Ice Cream Bar, though can't say I've had Twix ice cream. But looking at that that pick above... What Mikey wouldn't do for a Klondike bar. :tlol:

[CyberCubed]

You know with all the recasts, and the new look for Shredder and the Foot being actual ninja's this time, I wonder if the Turtles will be redesigned.

Make them smaller and get rid of their Hulk-like appearance, get rid of those awful noses and it would be an improvement.

[IndigoErth]

Wouldn't hold your breath on that. Scaling them down a tiny bit would be easy enough, but redesigns other than change of clothing/accessories... doubt it.

[newhire13]

Yeah, If anything they'll probably remove some clothes and that's it :/

[Huzzah]

Hoping we'll get an official look at the Turtles sooner rather than later, then we can tell just how rebooty this has become. Lose the taped glasses, goofy Leo bamboo armor, shrink down about a foot and we'll call it set.

[CyberCubed]

I think we might see them redesigned a little. For all we know it could be a soft-reboot, acknowledging the events of the first film but changing everything.

[IndigoErth]

My thought on it isn't even in why or how to explain it or not, and more to do with whether or not it's really advisable to screw with the models this late in the game. I'm no expert on character modeling, rigging, textureing, etc. (my hands have generally been in object and environmental models), but a lot goes into that.

I do still wish they'd at least cut down on the mass of the shells however. Cripe, they're originally sliders, no need for the shells to be quite that overbearing.

[sdp]

I think I already posted on this thread but I'm not certain anywho I do think the turtles should get a slight re-design. The 2014 turtles actually grew on me from absolutely hating them to "they kind of work", and they do in the context of the movie, but there's still something about them that is really odd and it might just be the nostrils but yeah some small changes here and there and they would be great. I hated their huge size at first but it worked in the context of the movie so I don't want them to be small now, let's save that for a reboot.

[Wolfie65]

Just 1 look at a book......no, wait, it's 2015 - make that a googled website - explaining what a ninja really is would tell them that being super-tall or super-huge are NOT helpful.
Make them about 4 1/2-5 foot, with a physique like Bruce Lee - plus some bulk to account for turtle DNA - and you're golden.

[graphic_content]

Just 1 look at a book......no, wait, it's 2015 - make that a googled website - explaining what a ninja really is would tell them that being super-tall or super-huge are NOT helpful.
Make them about 4 1/2-5 foot, with a physique like Bruce Lee - plus some bulk to account for turtle DNA - and you're golden.

While i would love for them to shrink the turtles, to do so now would be too dramatic a change - minor comestic changes definetly NEED to be made, but those are easier to explain, or even juat dismiss outright. Shame bc smaller less bulky turtles would have been amazing and lent itself to much more compelling fight sequences.

[TurtleMikey]

You know with all the recasts, and the new look for Shredder and the Foot being actual ninja's this time, I wonder if the Turtles will be redesigned.

Make them smaller and get rid of their Hulk-like appearance, get rid of those awful noses and it would be an improvement.

Hopefully we get something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/jVjnL2K.jpg

It's the most fair compromise. It's doesn't look drastically different from the last film's designs (though not as hulkish), but its much closer to what we all expected the first time around.

Something like this is the easiest way to retcon/revamp their looks, without it looking too far out of continuity with the last film. Though they are looking to distance themselves pretty far from that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Hopefully we get something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/jVjnL2K.jpg

It's the most fair compromise. It's doesn't look drastically different from the last film's designs (though not as hulkish), but its much closer to what we all expected the first time around.

Something like this is the easiest way to retcon/revamp their looks, without it looking too far out of continuity with the last film. Though they are looking to distance themselves pretty far from that.

GRRRRRRRRRRRR

What kind of idiot doesn't go with THAT awesome design right there!!??

There is no justice for TMNT fans.

[Amaranthus]

GRRRRRRRRRRRR

What kind of idiot doesn't go with THAT awesome design right there!!??

There is no justice for TMNT fans.

Still doesn't really look like a teenager to me.
Get rid of the wrinkles and make them smaller than the average human and it might be acceptable. I don't really know.

[TrickOrTreater]

Still doesn't really look like a teenager to me.
Get rid of the wrinkles and make them smaller than the average human and it might be acceptable. I don't really know.

And widen the head/protrude the face a little.

It's too narrow lengthwise and too flat depthwise.

[Powder]

He looks like an ape there. Body's passable.

[Sarigar]

Hopefully we get something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/jVjnL2K.jpg

It's the most fair compromise. It's doesn't look drastically different from the last film's designs (though not as hulkish), but its much closer to what we all expected the first time around.

Something like this is the easiest way to retcon/revamp their looks, without it looking too far out of continuity with the last film. Though they are looking to distance themselves pretty far from that.


Love this design, as long as the other three don't look as fierce as Raph there. I think if they remove all of the junk on the first designs, it will go along way to bringing them back to something resembling turtles. I swear the film makers must have gotten obsessed with the Turtles looking too real and the implications of that, that they went overboard in covering their "junk" with junk. The Onion did a video on this that you shouldn't watch https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vpMbb3-jZlM

[Yabuturtle]

So the designs of the Turtles were very poorly received. Instead of being slim and small ninja's, these Turtles were 6 foot tall hulking monsters with hideous nostrils. Even worse was their "accessories" like Leo having tattoo's or Don wearing glasses, or Mikey's sunglasses danging from him, wtf was up with that?

While they probably can't change the designs too much in order to remain in continuity, do you think they can alter some things? Drop the glasses for Donatello entirely, remove some of their human accessories, and phase out the nostrils at the least. They would still be 6 foot tall Hulk ripoffs, but at least some of the more offensive stuff would be gone.

I wasn't a big fan of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Tortoises either. They looked more like tortoises than turtles to me. Actually they remind me of their hulking mutated forms in the red sky season. They should probably be shorter than April O'Neil. Similar to how they were in the 1987 cartoon. A lot of these other series aside from the 2012 depict the TMNT taller. I mean they are the TEEANGE Mutant Ninja Turtles and aren't adults.

The noses were kind of odd. Their faces looked like brussle sprouts.

[TrickOrTreater]

A lot of these other series aside from the 2012 depict the TMNT taller.

They've been shorter than the average human in pretty much all the major incarnations, with the exception of the new movies.

http://i.imgur.com/jOCCS0m.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/yzzXxiB.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/PFM2C2k.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/aSqYe7x.jpg?1

[Yabuturtle]

They've been shorter than the average human in pretty much all the major incarnations, with the exception of the new movies.

http://i.imgur.com/jOCCS0m.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/yzzXxiB.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/PFM2C2k.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/aSqYe7x.jpg?1

in the 2003 version they were rather tall as well and looked more like adults than teenagers.

[Powder]

The 2k3 turtles are literally the first pic there. You quoted it. It's clear they're shorter than April there. That's not "rather tall" if the average woman's height is 5'4 & they're below her.

[TrickOrTreater]

in the 2003 version they were rather tall as well and looked more like adults than teenagers.

The 2k3 turtles are literally the first pic there. You quoted it. It's clear they're shorter than April there. That's not "rather tall" if the average woman's height is 5'4 & they're below her.

Yeah. That.

Also

http://i.imgur.com/qAp1y0X.jpg?1

[IndigoErth]

I can deal with them being big just this once (preferably as long as they show that they're still huggable under all the blood and sweat - and therefor not really so brutish after all), I'm ok with the "gentle giant" angle (sans enemies), but would have at least made more sense to leave the "teen" part off.

[TMNT is cooler than MOTU]

Hopefully we get something like this:

http://i.imgur.com/jVjnL2K.jpg

It's the most fair compromise. It's doesn't look drastically different from the last film's designs (though not as hulkish), but its much closer to what we all expected the first time around.

Something like this is the easiest way to retcon/revamp their looks, without it looking too far out of continuity with the last film. Though they are looking to distance themselves pretty far from that.

Something like this would be amazing. Doubt it'll happen though.

[Wildcat]

No. Just tone down the gear.

It's hilarious. I've stayed away from this board because I hadn't seen the movie and didn't want spoilers. Finally came back to see the TMNT 2 news...and people still complaining about the designs.

Ya they're "ugly" and big...like what a huanoid mutant turtle would probably look like. They're pretty cool as separate versions. Which is what these movies are.

[TrickOrTreater]

Ya they're "ugly" and big...like what a huanoid mutant turtle would probably look like.

Wow, the first few movies totally got it wrong then eh?

Humanoid, mutant turtles that WEREN'T big and ugly? Pfft. Amateur hour those films were.

[Shark_Blade]

The gears on them in the films are nothing to fuss about really. Even as fanarts go, they look darn amazing.

http://i.imgur.com/DiBZDNf.png

http://i.imgur.com/d2Wr9yp.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/gsHQvI8.png

http://i.imgur.com/qhQuO1D.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/jwIxhte.png

http://i.imgur.com/HinjkSn.png

http://i.imgur.com/FCkFRXT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6V49dnF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kwCa3dW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/WDBaIb6.png

[Wildcat]

Wow, the first few movies totally got it wrong then eh?

Humanoid, mutant turtles that WEREN'T big and ugly? Pfft. Amateur hour those films were.Humanoid mutant turtles can have many interpretations. The original movies stuck to the traditional designs. The 2014 movie did their own thing.

Nothing wrong with this.

That fan art is nice.

[TrickOrTreater]

The 2014 movie did their own thing.

That was also bad.

"Doing their own thing" doesn't excuse the execution of it being poor.

[Shark_Blade]

That was also bad.

"Doing their own thing" doesn't excuse the execution of it being poor.

That's only your opinion and doesn't prove that it's "bad". Many people enjoy it: the fanarts from all over the world prooves it, the half a billion money made from the film prooves it.

[Wildcat]

That was also bad.

"Doing their own thing" doesn't excuse the execution of it being poor.I liked the movie. Some don't which is fine.

However I think a lot of people just automatically dislike it based on the designs. Which is unfair.

Swap out these turtles with the 90s turtles...the movie itself is not horrible.

[Redeemer]

We really need a poll to see how truly lopsided this opinion is. :lol:

[Powder]

I liked the movie. Some don't which is fine.

However I think a lot of people just automatically dislike it based on the designs. Which is unfair.

Swap out these turtles with the 90s turtles...the movie itself is not horrible.

Not even Robbie Rist's radical voice could deliver a ninja turtle boner joke without it being cringe worthy. & Tatsu certainly knows better than to think you could drain someone's entire blood supply & have them alive after the fact.

The writing is the main problem, & that's been universally agreed upon.

[Wildcat]

Not even Robbie Rist's radical voice could deliver a ninja turtle boner joke without it being cringe worthy. & Tatsu certainly knows better than to think you could drain someone's entire blood supply & have them alive after the fact.

The writing is the main problem, & that's been universally agreed upon.A lot of movies have plot holes or element holes. Whatever you wanna call them but I don't think they planned on keeping them alive. Did they? Ill have to rewatch. They just wanted the blood to recreate mutagen.

There was no dirty humor at all other than Mikey's shell tightening joke and the fart when they were stuck in the sewer door. That's an accomplishment compared to Transformers.

The humor was fine here.

[TrickOrTreater]

That's only your opinion and doesn't prove that it's "bad". Many people enjoy it: the fanarts from all over the world prooves it, the half a billion money made from the film prooves it.

Because bad movies never make lots of money sometimes. And also many people DIDN'T enjoy it. Why does one count over the other? Because you say so?

Fanart and profit don't prove jack sh*t, no matter how much you delusionally wish it did.

Swap out these turtles with the 90s turtles...the movie itself is not horrible.

Super not true. Because while the designs were awful, so was the writing.

A lot of movies have plot holes or element holes.

A lot of movies have plot holes so that means it's okay for this movie to have horrible writing/acting/directing/effects/designs?

[Wildcat]

A lot of movies have plot holes so that means it's okay for this movie to have horrible writing/acting/directing/effects/designs?No I meant that one thing about the blood. I don't think they planned on keeping them alive. They had the mutagen and could make more. They shot live ammo at them after they escaped and Shredder was obviously trying to kill them.

The other stuff is left up to whatever you consider passable. I'm not going into Tmnt expecting Oscar worthy acting. The writing was fine imo and my only issue with the effects was some cgi scenes could have been better looking.

[Powder]

The line was "Drain all their blood, even if it kills them". It can't not kill them. Pure stupidity.

[Wildcat]

The line was "Drain all their blood, even if it kills them". It can't not kill them. Pure stupidity.Lol so you're complaining over a dumb line? Not what was actually happening?

There must be millions of dumb lines like that in movies. Sentences that don't match or sound stupid.

[Powder]

It's but one of many flaws, I never said it was the sole reason I disliked the film.

& just because you accept stupid things doesn't mean they're good or that anyone else should have to.

You said people were blindly against the movie for it's designs alone, I'm offering another reason- Terrible dialogue.

[Amaranthus]

That's only your opinion and doesn't prove that it's "bad". Many people enjoy it: the fanarts from all over the world prooves it, the half a billion money made from the film prooves it.

"proove"
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/209/680/1322616211129.jpg

[Shark_Blade]

English is my second language.

[Foombamaroom]

Honestly, I don't have that much of a problem with the height. It's more or less how BIG they look. Donnie's body, in my opinion, looked the best out of the Turtles.

Gear: Raph's looks fine. It's just cloth, so I've got nothing against it. Leo needs to tone it down a little bit, Mikey needs that godforsaken sweater off of him, and Donnie needs to just not. Get those glasses off and make him look less like a ghostbuster.

Faces: Leo, Mikey, and Raph's faces are fine for me, but it's Mikey who really gets under my skin. Whenever he smiles, his face stretches and it looks so creepy.

[Shark_Blade]

Faces: Leo, Mikey, and Raph's faces are fine for me, but it's Mikey who really gets under my skin. Whenever he smiles, his face stretches and it looks so creepy.
You're saying Noel Fisher's face is creepy? :P

[Amaranthus]

*Sighs*...

[Leo656]

So, we're still pretending that the fact "there's more simple-minded people with bad taste than there are otherwise, and they vote with their dollars" means that a bad movie is magically a good movie? We're still doing that? Really?

[TrickOrTreater]

I'm not going into Tmnt expecting Oscar worthy acting..

There it is again. The "it's either oscar worthy or it's garbage, there's no in between" fallacy.

All just to excuse and defend sh*tty writing/acting/directing.

[IndigoErth]

To be fair, the only truly unnecessary piece on Leo (not that I even mind it) is his makeshift chest armor, that he surely must have gone with for purely aesthetic reasons since there is no way in heck that should even hold up in a fight bad enough that being bullet proof is an asset. :trazz: (Not to mention, I don't care how tough your skin is, the string that holds it together is just asking for painful rope burn. And marks do show up on him in the snow scene... Ouch. :ohwell:)

The rest is just armor to help protect the fleshy parts. Though I do have to wonder how he doesn't tear the hell out of those bare knees. :trazz:

[TigerClaw]

They could use less clothing, But I would guess that they still have pants on, to cover there junk. lol

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

They could use less clothing, But I would guess that they still have pants on, to cover there junk. lol

thats what shells are for



you know i find it interesting that TMNT, uses cgi turtles and wont go the route of the simple practicle effect

YET Jurassic World is Set 22 and released 22 years after the first film..yet still gladly uses and boasts Animatronic Dinosaurs



goes to show you something

[TigerClaw]

thats what shells are for



you know i find it interesting that TMNT, uses cgi turtles and wont go the route of the simple practicle effect

YET Jurassic World is Set 22 and released 22 years after the first film..yet still gladly uses and boasts Animatronic Dinosaurs



goes to show you something
The Animatronic are only used for closeups, Which allows the actors to interact with the creatures, The CGI is only used for scenes that are impossible to create from a practical standpoint.

The problem is, Hollywood wants things cheaper and faster, Which is why they go with CGI all the time.

This is the very reason why Rick Baker is retiring from the business.
http://www.slashfilm.com/rick-baker-retiring/

[Warhorse]

Honestly, I don't have that much of a problem with the height. It's more or less how BIG they look. Donnie's body, in my opinion, looked the best out of the Turtles.

Gear: Raph's looks fine. It's just cloth, so I've got nothing against it. Leo needs to tone it down a little bit, Mikey needs that godforsaken sweater off of him, and Donnie needs to just not. Get those glasses off and make him look less like a ghostbuster.

Faces: Leo, Mikey, and Raph's faces are fine for me, but it's Mikey who really gets under my skin. Whenever he smiles, his face stretches and it looks so creepy.

Agreed with most of this. I too didn't mind the height. It was just their mass! I could see Raph being the biggest, but not as big as he was in this movie. Like you said, body wise, Donnie had the best overall look, and the size that Leo and Mikey were, would have been fine for Raph. Also agree, that Mikey's face was just too hideous. I wasn't too keen on Raph's face either but it still was far better than Mikey's. Leo had the best face, and I wished they would have stayed with that general look. He had nostrils, but they weren't protruding and disgusting like Mikey's was.

[Technogeek29]

Most of what we touched on is already been said. I don;'t mind them being eye level with April and Casey but when they tower over most vehicles I have to wonder how anyone can expect them to be stealthy?

Separate note: My bro cracked a joke about them telling the Mirage Turtles they are bullet proof, to which Leo responds "what does that mean to a blade severing you're head":lol:

[Galactus]

the half a billion money made from the film prooves it.

Unless you can take a poll proving that everyone who paid to see the movie actually enjoyed the movie and/or the designs it proves nothing.

There are plenty of people here who paid to see it that hated both including myself.

[NYShell]

Hated the writing, acting from some folks, definitely HATED the score by Brian Tyler, but liked the designs (with the exception of the excessive accessories).

Grown fond of the designs. Just wished they got rid of a lot of the accessories. The lips could be toned down more. And the CG could've looked more real at times. Oh, the cinematography looked cheesy too.

[Leolead]

I really hope we get something closer to this:
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/tafri8z0ibdozlxvn4oy.jpg
These designs would have been really good, imo.

[Candy Kappa]

I really hope we get something closer to this:
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/tafri8z0ibdozlxvn4oy.jpg
These designs would have been really good, imo.

Basically the designs they where going for before Bay dictated that they had to be bigger.

[Leolead]

Basically the designs they where going for before Bay dictated that they had to be bigger.

Those designs are a lot better than what we got, shame on Bay. Hopefully Green gives us more traditional designs.

[Foombamaroom]

I don't think we're getting new "designs" in terms of the facial features. However, I do believe most of their gear should be stripped. Raph's I don't mind because it's basically just cloth, Leo's fits him, but he should have those shoulder pads taken off and the bamboo-things on his chest, Mikey... take off that godawful sweatshirt, and Donnie, most people say he has too much, but I think it's just that thing on his back + the glasses.

[Amaranthus]

I really hope we get something closer to this:
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/tafri8z0ibdozlxvn4oy.jpg
These designs would have been really good, imo.

They're still too big. They need to be smaller than the average adult, in my opinion. The faces, especially Mikey's, still look f*cked up.

[IndigoErth]

They're still too big.
How can we even tell, there's nothing else there for size reference. :trazz:


Personally I prefer this version http://i.imgur.com/h4MlVZi.jpg but yeah, same general principal... Someone just had to go and alter it because "bigger is better," didn't they.

Looks like either way though Mikey's was gonna end up being a face only a mother could love, but of course that leads to feeling bad about saying such a thing given the circumstances. lol

[Leolead]

Imo, they were just too big, that was my main gripe with the designs. More than anything else, I want them to be slimmed down to be more like the concept art.

[Candy Kappa]

If only they had used the same designs from Out of the Shadows game.

[IndigoErth]

Catch the existing designs in the right lighting and angles, they aren't so bad (imo). (Unflattering lighting/angles... holy hell... o.O) But yeah, for the most part... Why are you so huge??

And maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure their size seemed entirely consistent last time anyhow.

[Lou 500]

There's no going back for them now in regards to physical build. But they could at least drop most of that stupid gear. Maybe their toy sales will even go up a pinch.

[TrickOrTreater]

If only they had used the same designs from Out of the Shadows game.

Man seriously. They looked like real world Ninja Turtles, small, thin-ish(as should be), but still looked individual and unique enough that you could instantly recognize them and they weren't friggin' ugly.

Very pleasing and faithful real world-applicable design.

[Commenter 42]

I really hope we get something closer to this:
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/tafri8z0ibdozlxvn4oy.jpg
These designs would have been really good, imo.

I can't understand why anyone would want that. It's f*cking horrific ****.
They gave you that in the 1st film, and it was ugly as sin. Turtles are beautiful animals, this stupid crap looks like:

http://i.imgur.com/YuxgBe9.jpg

Thinner and smaller yes, i agree, but get back to the look and feel of either REAL turtles (not tortoise, not sea turtles, the propper species RES) OR the Mirage designs. AT LEAST get the anatomical turtle structure right. They aren't monsters. Nature has done your job! They aren't mythical creatures. Eye sore designs for a full movie is stomach churning.

They're still too big. They need to be smaller than the average adult, in my opinion. The faces, especially Mikey's, still look f*cked up.

All I see:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/02/43/f1/0243f102137004d8aad1c513a5579664.jpg

[Shark_Blade]

Transformers have design changes, even Batman. So pretty sure they'll change the design too.

[Technogeek29]

Transformers have design changes, even Batman. So pretty sure they'll change the design too.

Not always Optimus more or less looked the same and the new transformers were showcased more they just gave him gimmicks to convince kids to buy him again. I bought the First one and Megatron from revenge of the Fallen I liked his cybertronian tank look.

[Shark_Blade]

Not always Optimus more or less looked the same and the new transformers were showcased more they just gave him gimmicks to convince kids to buy him again. I bought the First one and Megatron from revenge of the Fallen I liked his cybertronian tank look.

Maybe that's what they'll do this time too: add gimmicks. Pretty much what other franchises do too.

[IndigoErth]

But Transformers are robots and mechanical, so I guess it's explainable that the might choose their own alterations. And what's Batman do, new outfits? I mean the Turtles can do new outfits and probably should, but otherwise...

[Commenter 42]

Maybe that's what they'll do this time too: add gimmicks. Pretty much what other franchises do too.

No need to make new toys when nobody bought them the last time.
Slap a 2 on the old packages, and presto! Toys for the sequel.

[Technogeek29]

Maybe that's what they'll do this time too: add gimmicks. Pretty much what other franchises do too.

Kinda hope they don't do that it seems really lazy for the TMNT redesigning the toys to be more movable and less like statues while merchandising the new stuff it's what I would do.

[Sumac]

Of course, I'd like them too change things a bit, maybe improve their faces or make them a bit slimmer (they can say that Turtles quit steroids), but it's unlikely. Afterall, they had enough stupidity to use those designs in the first place.
Besides: continuity.

Though, I'd say, the possibility of them change Trurtles designs, depends on how much they'll change Shredder, if it is the same character in the second movie as in the first one. So, maybe there is still hope.

[LS Animation]

Haha the designs will remain similar I'm sure but hopefully the playmates will produce better toys this time cause the first movie ones were completely awful not only design-wise but quality wise. It was like somebody pooped out a piece of plastic, painted it green and mashed it into a box, then transported it into the stores. Awful figures playmates, try harder!

[Raven]

Maybe not so much redesigned, but slimmed down. Hulked out turtles is really unappealing, and would some one please get rid of Mikeys shrek face?

[Leolead]

These are the changes that need to be made:

- Slim the the Turtles down, they're just too bulky and big, they're suppose to be fricking Ninjas!
- Take a couple of inches off the Turtles... because again, they're suppose to be Ninjas, and the Turtles have mostly always been smaller than humans. But at least make them the size of the actual actors playing them.
- Remove some of their gear [i.e Donatello's proton pack, glasses Mikey's chain, Leo's bamboo armor and shoulder pads.] And give them the classic belts, elbow pads and knee pads.
- Tone down the human-esque features on the turtles just a little bit like the lips and smile/facial lines.

Basically this:
http://i.imgur.com/jVjnL2K.jpg

The designs would be perfect, at least in my opinion.

[Walkabout]

I think the Platinum Dunes Turtles are absolutely horrendous, so yes.

Fan since 1989, pretty much the first incarnation of the TMNT I've boycotted.

[General_Krang]

I'd rather they spent less time redesigning the turtles and put more effort into writing a great story. The interpretation of their appearance is fine for what it is, but only if they really shore up the plot.

Of course, many of the problems from the last one were due to supposed fans raging that Michael Bay would dare to put aliens in a TMNT movie, but it obviously had faults of its own, too.

[Yabuturtle]

The 2014 movie version look like the Red Sky season Turtles 2nd stage mutations. They are way too big and muscular. They need to be shorter than April at least.

[Bry]

These are the changes that need to be made:

- Slim the the Turtles down, they're just too bulky and big, they're suppose to be fricking Ninjas!
- Take a couple of inches off the Turtles... because again, they're suppose to be Ninjas, and the Turtles have mostly always been smaller than humans. But at least make them the size of the actual actors playing them.
- Remove some of their gear [i.e Donatello's proton pack, glasses Mikey's chain, Leo's bamboo armor and shoulder pads.] And give them the classic belts, elbow pads and knee pads.
- Tone down the human-esque features on the turtles just a little bit like the lips and smile/facial lines.

Basically this:
http://i.imgur.com/jVjnL2K.jpg

The designs would be perfect, at least in my opinion.

That'd be a massive improvement, yeah. These TMNT designs are a classic "not broken, 'fixed' anyway" situation. The classic design still works perfectly.

Of course, many of the problems from the last one were due to supposed fans raging that Michael Bay would dare to put aliens in a TMNT movie, but it obviously had faults of its own, too.

"Supposed fans"? Are we really doing this again? :trolleye:

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

"Supposed fans"? Are we really doing this again? :trolleye:

Hold on everyone, let me get my popcorn and soda... :tgrin:

[MsMarvelDuckie]

*sigh* It never ends, does it? Seriously, as many problems as the first one had, I' WAAAY over it. I kind of like it. Actually, I liked it from the beginning, and in spite of its flaws (or in some cases BECAUSE of them) I really enjoyed the movie. I'm so tired of this hate-spiel now. Would like to move on to something more positive.

[Powder]

In a thread that talks about arguably the most disliked aspect of this iteration, why would it end? This is practically a containment chamber for some of the negativity.

If people wanna bitch, let them bitch. So long as they're not attacking each other, I don't see the problem. Though "supposed fans" is some troublesome wording...

[Bombshell]

I don't think they should be changed. I feel character appearances need to stay consistent within their specific definitions. Once you start with a look, you should end with that look...which is a shame because the turtles appearance in this movie look as though the creators were just trying too hard.

I can see quieting down their accessories. That would be a logical change in their "world". Maybe they found that it all just got in the way, so they dump a bunch of weight to do their job better. But changing their physical appearance for the sequel is one movie too late. Slimming them down and changing their human features should have been done before the first movie hit the screen, but they kept it and now I feel like they should finish with it.

I could get used to the human features, to be honest. On Leonardo and Donatello, they look acceptable and in the realm of possibilities for a character like that. Raph and Mike's appearances are more monstrous. I look at Mike and I can't help but wonder how they approved his design when his features are so out of proportion. Same page, different chapter with Raphael. Raphael just looks like a beast. Plain and simple. He's ugly as sin (along with Mike) and shows little to no relation to the other character designs. There is a way to stay consistent within the characters yet give them original features without overdoing it. The only thing that saves Mike and Raph for me are their eyes.

But I feel its too late to change their physical attributes. It still shocks me to see that their size and Raph and Mike's designs were approved. Nicknacks can be removed but unless they employ a cosmetic surgeon for the second movie, theres no going back on their features.

[IndigoErth]

dare to put aliens in a TMNT movie
Well... aliens, no problem, it's always been done. The previous idea of making the Turtles aliens however sucks. (imo)

Maybe it's me, but there's something a bit heartbreaking about taking them away from being fellow Earthlings (and away from each other for gods sake). I will give blue door credit that it had more detail, etc to it's writing, but that ending just kills you and personally is not the right feeling to close it with if you're aiming to end it with an emotional impact.


I look at Mike and I can't help but wonder how they approved his design when his features are so out of proportion. Same page, different chapter with Raphael. Raphael just looks like a beast. Plain and simple. He's ugly as sin (along with Mike) and shows little to no relation to the other character designs.
Considering those two always come up first and second in just about every "favorite Turtle" poll, it's a wonder they didn't have fans involved in the design process that stepped back and went "OH, HELL NO." (Edit: Or maybe they did, just not people who had any power to do anything about it.)

'Course... I suppose most Bay-type summer blockbuster sort of films inherently aim for being as macho as possible and it would seem that being appealing (except for female roles) is a no-no anymore to a particular sort in Hollywood. Load it up with cars, monstrous characters, actress butt...



Anyhow... just freshen up their clothes/gear, lessen it where need be, and just try to get their "good side" as much as possible. Surely there is one? lol ...if angles are right and the lighting people are talented and focused.

[Leo656]

I completely, vehemently disagree that there's been enough, or "more than enough" negativity regarding these movies. There's ample sign already that the new movie might be even WORSE than the last one, just from a different direction. It might be one or two shades better, too, but in that unlikely event, a couple chocolate sprinkles on a turd doesn't make it suddenly palatable, either.

They did not a single thing right the first time out. A rare 100% Failure on every single level from conception to execution. One of THE worst things I've ever seen, and I've sat through some nuclear garbage in my day, but few things that were so blatantly, defiantly, unashamedly done for the quick buck, with such an overt "Screw what the nerds think, they only carried this property for 30 years, f*** 'em, they'll be happy so long as we get the names right" kind of attitude behind it. So arrogant, elitist, and cynical on the part of Hollywood, and the sad thing is, a ton of people thank them for it, and apply those terms erroneously to those who merely have a higher standard for both films and this particular franchise.

It takes a very special type of Selective Viewing to look at these things and NOT see all the things wrong with it all. You completely have to just be in love with the brand itself and willing to forgive anything by that point. And I'm sorry, but I don't love anything on this Earth that much.

I, for one, say there's not anywhere near enough "Negativity" until the TMNT film projects are finally given to someone who's going to give a sh*t about making more than a f*cking toy commercial for attention-deficient 3rd graders.

I'm half-over the designs by now. I mean, no, I'm not, they're awful, but they're just a symptom of the disease. They could look like the characters we know, but everything else would still be broken. It's all a mess. Yes, the Turtles should be redesigned. Yes, the movie should be written and directed and produced by different people. Yes, the entire thing should just be burnt to ashes and given to someone who knows what they're doing with it. A thousand times yes to all those things.

Ain't happenin'. We got what we got, and it's all pretty damn ugly to look at.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I completely, vehemently disagree that there's been enough, or "more than enough" negativity regarding these movies. There's ample sign already that the new movie might be even WORSE than the last one, just from a different direction. It might be one or two shades better, too, but in that unlikely event, a couple chocolate sprinkles on a turd doesn't make it suddenly palatable, either.

They did not a single thing right the first time out. A rare 100% Failure on every single level from conception to execution. One of THE worst things I've ever seen, and I've sat through some nuclear garbage in my day, but few things that were so blatantly, defiantly, unashamedly done for the quick buck, with such an overt "Screw what the nerds think, they only carried this property for 30 years, f*** 'em, they'll be happy so long as we get the names right" kind of attitude behind it. So arrogant, elitist, and cynical on the part of Hollywood, and the sad thing is, a ton of people thank them for it, and apply those terms erroneously to those who merely have a higher standard for both films and this particular franchise.

It takes a very special type of Selective Viewing to look at these things and NOT see all the things wrong with it all. You completely have to just be in love with the brand itself and willing to forgive anything by that point. And I'm sorry, but I don't love anything on this Earth that much.

I, for one, say there's not anywhere near enough "Negativity" until the TMNT film projects are finally given to someone who's going to give a sh*t about making more than a f*cking toy commercial for attention-deficient 3rd graders.

I'm half-over the designs by now. I mean, no, I'm not, they're awful, but they're just a symptom of the disease. They could look like the characters we know, but everything else would still be broken. It's all a mess. Yes, the Turtles should be redesigned. Yes, the movie should be written and directed and produced by different people. Yes, the entire thing should just be burnt to ashes and given to someone who knows what they're doing with it. A thousand times yes to all those things.

Ain't happenin'. We got what we got, and it's all pretty damn ugly to look at.

If I bro-hug you while uncontrollably sobbing in gratitude, will we still be friends, Leo? Or will I have a crossed a line? :tlol:

[General_Krang]

Well... aliens, no problem, it's always been done. The previous idea of making the Turtles aliens however sucks. (imo)

That's the thing, they were never aliens. Bay is on record saying they have an alien "origin" which he later confirmed meant the ooze (evidence http://news.moviefone.com/2013/04/26/michael-bay-pain-and-gain-interview/) If you were still complaining about it after that, you're one of three things:

1) Desperately looking for a reason to hate Michael Bay
2) Someone who doesn't know the actual origin of the TMNT
3) Someone who jumped to a conclusion without all the facts, and didn't bother to confirm later.

I say supposed fans because it seems like fans wouldn't fall into any of those categories. But obviously enough people complained that they removed the utrom altogether, caved and split shredder from Sachs, and the result was a dramatically weakened movie.

If people can complain about an origin story that is in line with the actual origin story, I'm going to give their fandom an asterisk...

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

That's the thing, they were never aliens. Bay is on record saying they have an alien "origin" which he later confirmed meant the ooze (evidence http://news.moviefone.com/2013/04/26/michael-bay-pain-and-gain-interview/) If you were still complaining about it after that, you're one of three things:

1) Desperately looking for a reason to hate Michael Bay
2) Someone who doesn't know the actual origin of the TMNT
3) Someone who jumped to a conclusion without all the facts, and didn't bother to confirm later.

I say supposed fans because it seems like fans wouldn't fall into any of those categories. But obviously enough people complained that they removed the utrom altogether, caved and split shredder from Sachs, and the result was a dramatically weakened movie.

If people can complain about an origin story that is in line with the actual origin story, I'm going to give their fandom an asterisk...

Dude. Bay was absolutely 100% going to have the Turtles as aliens. Find the "Blue Door" script and read it yourself. Hell, I'll send it to you if you PM me your email address.

100% real script, 100% originally what Bay was going to use. 100% aliens. Even a "hot Turtle chick", exact words.

[Powder]

That's the thing, they were never aliens. Bay is on record saying they have an alien "origin" which he later confirmed meant the ooze (evidence http://news.moviefone.com/2013/04/26/michael-bay-pain-and-gain-interview/) If you were still complaining about it after that, you're one of three things:

1) Desperately looking for a reason to hate Michael Bay
2) Someone who doesn't know the actual origin of the TMNT
3) Someone who jumped to a conclusion without all the facts, and didn't bother to confirm later.

I say supposed fans because it seems like fans wouldn't fall into any of those categories. But obviously enough people complained that they removed the utrom altogether, caved and split shredder from Sachs, and the result was a dramatically weakened movie.

If people can complain about an origin story that is in line with the actual origin story, I'm going to give their fandom an asterisk...

The arrogance of an uninformed mind...

Read the original leaked script. They were to be aliens from another planet in Dimension X made up of humanoid turtle warriors. Krang did some 'ol genocidal sh*t to the species, but one set of parents had their children sent to earth in the care of a guardian from another alien race (Splinter) who would train them for vengeance's sake. They even return to their homeworld at the end so as to show those who remain how to fight.

There was never any plan for Utroms. Sachs being Shredder is unrelated to this altogether. Originally Shredder was a military figure "Colonel Schrader" who too was an alien, one that could shoot spikes out of its flesh... :trolleye:

[Leo656]

If I bro-hug you while uncontrollably sobbing in gratitude, will we still be friends, Leo? Or will I have a crossed a line? :tlol:

I live in a world without "lines", my son. :lol: Sometimes it gets weird momentarily. Then it evens out. Circle of Life! :lol:

And yeah... there have been entire timelines made by people who care way more than I do that definitively show conflicting, contradictory statements made by Bay and Co. as far as to how far along in the development the Turtles and Splinter were going to be aliens. They definitely were all going to be aliens at one point very early on and there's absolutely no disputing that. What's up to question is exactly how far along they were still going with the aliens idea before they scrapped it. I don't have time to look it up, but it's all out there and been discussed. But by all signs they stuck with the idea way, way longer than they should have, and that at one point they flat-out lied about it and said they had changed it when they hadn't yet. They lied about that, and about a LOT of things. "There will be pizza" was pretty much the only thing they said during the entire pre-production through release date that WASN'T a total, blatant lie.

Which should kind of tell you something whether you like the finished product of a movie or not. I mean, do you regularly give your money to people who boldly, repeatedly lie to your face and call you ignorant? Seems rather silly to me. Disregard the movie itself for a second; these people are hucksters and con artists. I really, really don't like that. There's "misdirection" and then there's, "Whatever, they don't know, they're stupid". It's easy to see which approach they take. It annoys me.

[Galactus]

That's the thing, they were never aliens. Bay is on record saying they have an alien "origin" which he later confirmed meant the ooze (evidence http://news.moviefone.com/2013/04/26/michael-bay-pain-and-gain-interview/) If you were still complaining about it after that, you're one of three things:

As others have said the leaked script confirmed their intention was that the turtles were supposed to be aliens.

Now you might counter that with Bay's own statement that script was from before he was involved. Putting aside for a moment what an awfully big coincidence it would be for Bay to be misunderstood when he publicly stated they would be aliens when he didn't mean it literally when there's a script by Nemec and Applebaum that has the turtles as alien beings. Let's also put aside that script was dated after he signed to produce also, it was confirmed at the TMNT section at Paramount's comic con panel that they'd originally meant them to be aliens.

I'm not going to take a dig at you for not knowing this but I would suggest that if you're going to criticize people for jumping to conclusions without confirming all the facts you should do so yourself.

I say supposed fans because it seems like fans wouldn't fall into any of those categories. But obviously enough people complained that they removed the utrom altogether, caved and split shredder from Sachs, and the result was a dramatically weakened movie.

The Utroms were never meant to be in the movie.

Also can we stop with the whole idea that the re-shoots to "please the fans" are why the movie was terrible. Firstly there are many problems with the story and characters unrelated to the Shredder and Sachs. Secondly it's been confirmed by Danny Woodburn that the story of the movie in it's final form is same as the one he shot save for the Shredder/Sachs separation.

Bay confirmed himself in an interview with variety that he made the decision to have a lot of the movie re-written and re-shot after he saw Liebesman's first cut and thought it was "too mature". Certainly doesn't sound like he was doing it to please us "supposed fans".

Since they were changing everything anyway I'm somewhat glad they threw us a bone on the Shredder/Sachs issue it didn't seem to impact the movie much regardless of what myths invent to excuse it. It's also more than possible it wasn't for us but rather to temper the negative press which focused on the white washing of the character.

If people can complain about an origin story that is in line with the actual origin story, I'm going to give their fandom an asterisk...

How was the origin from the Blue Door script or the one we got really inline with the actual origin story?

Did you really want alien turtles being hunted by a military General Shredder that is secretly a spiky yellow skinned alien himself because that's what we would have got if they'd been allowed.

[IndigoErth]

That's the thing, they were never aliens. Bay is on record saying they have an alien "origin" which he later confirmed meant the ooze
You never fully read the original blue door script, did you. I eventually looked it up (late last year or so) and stayed up all night reading the thing.

I'm sorry, but Bay lied. He "Donald Trumped" that lie and covered his ass with what we thought we'd believe.

In that script, in the end, they do indeed turn out to be aliens. The Turtles straight up find that they are from a different world of other people who look like them; the four of them were sent/taken to Earth as babies to protect them (because they had a special destiny - for some reason), with Splinter as their guardian who kept it secret from them, and in the end they have to leave Earth forever, part ways and never to see each other again, to go individually protect four different... what ever it was that was that would keep dimensions from colliding. Mikey even comments about possibly meeting girls from their home world. Yes... I'm sorry, but they were going to be aliens, it was not simply ooze of "alien origin."

[Leo656]

And then Bay was all, "Psssshhhhh, DUH! I totally didn't mean THAT, that was like, old junk or whatever! No, we TOTALLY are gonna do the thing with the ooze or whetever, like you said. For reals." But there's like dated documents that disprove that because they were from like right before or right after he said that.

It's a tangled web. No sir, I don't like it.

[Leolead]

I like the new designs, The nostrils and everything didn't bother me, Besides, The designs should stay the same, Except maybe they could use less clothing and less accessories, Besides, For continuity sake, They have to look like they did before.

They are currently using a placeholder model for Leo and Raph on the set, And judging from it, They will look the same.

http://meganfoxworld.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/45~6.jpg

And judging from the size of the hand touching the placeholder, it looks like they'll be at least a LITTLE BIT smaller than they were in the last film, and Leo doesn't appear to be wearing any shoulder pads either, so they might have gotten rid of at least SOME of the clothing too.

I think it's worth mentioning that Leo's face seems to have been slightly tweaked also.

I like'em from what I can see on the placeholder.

[Myko]

Someone elsewhere in the forum has determined that that was the same placeholder used when shooting the first movie. Any discrepancies between it and the final CGI was because of design changes between making the placeholder and the CGI model.

It's also entirely possible to use this placeholder and have the CGI look completely different. I'm assuming they use this mostly to get the colors right in CGI.

[IndigoErth]

Someone elsewhere in the forum has determined that that was the same placeholder used when shooting the first movie.
A number of weeks ago I did come across an old pic from the making of the first film that, while not entirely clear, did appear to have the same piece somewhere in the image. Wish I could remember where I saw that.

[Leolead]

Well, I guess that's the end of that Placeholder nonsense, lol.

No, but seriously, the Turtles NEED to be smaller this time around.. I mean, how are Raph & Casey going to have their iconic fight scene if Raph is like 7"6' and roided out? Raph could literally snap Casey in half! how are the Foot - Who are actual Ninjas this time around and don't appear to be wielding any guns - going to offer any compelling action sequences if the Turtles can just swat them away like flies? how is a human-sized Shredder going to go up again these Turtles???? Bebop and & Rocksteady are at least going to need to be 10/11 ft tall to pose any kind of threat to these guys.

They NEED to be scaled down a few inches, and I know a lot of people who like how big they are, are trying to use the "continuity" argument. But honestly? NO ONE is going to even give a **** or look twice if they made them a couple inches smaller! no one in the general audience will care! so **** continuity!

And Donnie needs to lose that Ghostbusters backpack.

[Galactus]

I know a lot of people who like how big they are, are trying to use the "continuity" argument.

Do people like it though?

As far as I can tell the people who like the movie's various changes to the franchise most of them seem pretty open that they really like and support most anything TMNT if it was a big production.

If they'd make the exact opposite changes like small, ultra cutesy turtles they'd just as vehemently defend that too so why not change them? The fact that some have become so entrenched now doesn't mean they wont become un-trenched if the sequel goes in a different direction. And hey if the movie doesn't work out they can blame it all on them changing things to "please the fans".

[Bombshell]

I know a lot of people who like how big they are, are trying to use the "continuity" argument.

I don't like how big they are, but I'd like to see consistency. Its always been a pet peeve of mine that they change in every movie. The first three movies went from great to awful when it came to designs. Although I dislike how large the turtles are this time around and I'm not a fan of Mike or Raph's appearances, I'd like to see them consistently designed in a way that doesn't make you sit back and wonder if a bus hit them to change their appearance between each movie.

[syk_skillz]

Wish it could be some kinda explanation that they got some kinda sickness Donnie ended up stopping between movies that caused them to shrink in muscle mass and height some due to mutation reversing effects on their body. I want them to be smaller badly with some reason to it.

[Roitorb]

Someone elsewhere in the forum has determined that that was the same placeholder used when shooting the first movie. Any discrepancies between it and the final CGI was because of design changes between making the placeholder and the CGI model.

It's also entirely possible to use this placeholder and have the CGI look completely different. I'm assuming they use this mostly to get the colors right in CGI.

If you mean the place holders then they use them for the actors to have correct eye contact with the characters.

[Roitorb]

Wish it could be some kinda explanation that they got some kinda sickness Donnie ended up stopping between movies that caused them to shrink in muscle mass and height some due to mutation reversing effects on their body. I want them to be smaller badly with some reason to it.

Why not just use the scene where they have there blood drained as an excuse for their reduction in size.

As the blood was drained so was the mutagen levels in their bodies, simple lol

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Why not just use the scene where they have there blood drained as an excuse for their reduction in size.

As the blood was drained so was the mutagen levels in their bodies, simple lol

Except Raph wasn't affected. Do you guys really want Gameraph next to his three midget brothers?

[IndigoErth]

:lol: Three of them all lose up to a foot in height while Raph is still huge. No doubt they wouldn't have Raph just let that go unmentioned, so there's a kick to the ego, poor babies. But by the end Raph learns they have the advantage after all (prob when his butt can't get through the manhole). :)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

:lol: Three of them all lose up to a foot in height while Raph is still huge. No doubt they wouldn't have Raph just let that go unmentioned, so there's a kick to the ego, poor babies. But by the end Raph learns they have the advantage after all (prob when his butt can't get through the manhole). :)

So then... what? Raph goes on the Medifast diet?

[IndigoErth]

Nah, they just drain him a bit then keep it on a shelf in case they need a cure for eminent death.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Nah, they just drain him a bit then keep it on a shelf in case they need a cure for eminent death.

Perfect. Or... should I? Yes, I will.

Mikey uses the excess mutagen drained from Raph on April to create Venus de Milo. Allow your collective imaginations to continue the story from there. :teek:

[Foombamaroom]

Perfect. Or... should I? Yes, I will.

Mikey uses the excess mutagen drained from Raph on April to create Venus de Milo. Allow your collective imaginations to continue the story from there. :teek:

...And he thought April made his shell tight.

All I'm picturing now is that new movie "The Perfect Guy" where the Stalker (Mieky) is stalking the girl he loves (April) and wants to kill the boyfriend (Casey.).

The Perfect Turtle, coming to sewers this June!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

...And he thought April made his shell tight.

All I'm picturing now is that new movie "The Perfect Guy" where the Stalker (Mieky) is stalking the girl he loves (April) and wants to kill the boyfriend (Casey.).

The Perfect Turtle, coming to sewers this June!

Don't EVER pair those two words together when speaking of a Michael Bay movie! Go wash your mouth out with soap, right frakking now!!!! :tlol:

[Luckyday]

YES. BURN IT ALL. BURN EVERYTHING!!!http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/omges1.png
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-aEkkNgpuFcQ/VEW-DmrvuBI/AAAAAAAAHTg/B8aSM8avUXc/fire_thumb%25255B1%25255D.gif?imgmax=800

Then let it rise like a glorious phoenix.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

YES. BURN IT ALL. BURN EVERYTHING!!!http://www.narutoforums.com/images/smilies/series2/omges1.png
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-aEkkNgpuFcQ/VEW-DmrvuBI/AAAAAAAAHTg/B8aSM8avUXc/fire_thumb%25255B1%25255D.gif?imgmax=800

Then let it rise like a glorious phoenix.

Somebody turn on Fall Out Boy!

[Foombamaroom]

Somebody turn on Fall Out Boy!

How about the Michael Bay version of FoB?!
"My songs know what you did in the da-a-a-a-ark...
...
...
...
SO BLOW IT UP, UP, UP!"

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

How about the Michael Bay version of FoB?!
"My songs know what you did in the da-a-a-a-ark...
...
...
...
SO BLOW IT UP, UP, UP!"

...

Welp, you just ruined THAT song for me. :tlol:

[Leo656]

Somebody turn on Fall Out Boy!

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[TurtleTitan97]

...

Welp, you just ruined THAT song for me. :tlol:

You and me both...:lol:

[Bry]

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[Galactus]

Speaking of which I always thought the editing of TMNT '14 was similar to this...

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Not to mention after watching I felt like saying this...

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[TurtleMikey]

You never fully read the original blue door script, did you. I eventually looked it up (late last year or so) and stayed up all night reading the thing.

I'm sorry, but Bay lied. He "Donald Trumped" that lie and covered his ass with what we thought we'd believe.

In that script, in the end, they do indeed turn out to be aliens. The Turtles straight up find that they are from a different world of other people who look like them; the four of them were sent/taken to Earth as babies to protect them (because they had a special destiny - for some reason), with Splinter as their guardian who kept it secret from them, and in the end they have to leave Earth forever, part ways and never to see each other again, to go individually protect four different... what ever it was that was that would keep dimensions from colliding. Mikey even comments about possibly meeting girls from their home world. Yes... I'm sorry, but they were going to be aliens, it was not simply ooze of "alien origin."

They weren't aliens. No more than Kraang is an alien.

They were from Dimension X. And in their version of Dimension X, there existed a race of turtle beings who were at odds with Kraang, and that is where the Turtles (and Splinter) came from.

It's really not bad for an alternate TMNT origin. In fact, its pretty good. Also, more logical and less convoluted than the origin in the final film.

IMO, the Blue Door script was FAR better than what we got. Had they simply dropped the alternate origin (though it really wasn't bad), did a traditional Shredder (or dropped the Foot and Schrader name, to open it up for the real Foot later), and had them stay on Earth in the conclusion, it would have been a solid take on the turtles.

I'm sad we didn't get that version of the Turtles, whom were crazy acrobatic and did real ninja ****, were even more like the Turtles we know. And had some really great scenes to display that, as well develop them as characters and brothers.

That, as opposed to the never developed, dumbed down, ADD, Hulk Smash versions we did get.

There was alot of potential in that version. And it was thrown away in favor of something generically ****ty, and no better in its execution of the origin. And all because fans bitched about something that wasn't even accurate.

[IndigoErth]

They were from Dimension X.
They weren't aliens. No more than Kraang is an alien.

Yeah, I don't follow. Not simply from an alternate (and still somewhat recognizable) version of Earth, rather it was made out to be a different world, so... Somehow not aliens?

[Powder]

Not being from earth makes them aliens by default. Period.

Also, the movie we got had turtles that do crazy ninja sh*t too, originally, but it was all cut out of the film. All the turtle actors had to be trained excessively with their respective weapons, for the fight scenes they shot that we never saw & never will. Nice, right?

PS: Krang & The Kraang are two very different things.

[Galactus]

They weren't aliens. No more than Kraang is an alien.

They were from Dimension X. And in their version of Dimension X, there existed a race of turtle beings who were at odds with Kraang, and that is where the Turtles (and Splinter) came from.

So...they were aliens

From another planet that happened to be in another dimension just like Krang.

It's really not bad for an alternate TMNT origin. In fact, its pretty good. Also, more logical and less convoluted than the origin in the final film.

It's very bad. I mean what we got was bad also but the Blue Door origin was worse albeit marginally.

IMO, the Blue Door script was FAR better than what we got. Had they simply dropped the alternate origin (though it really wasn't bad), did a traditional Shredder (or dropped the Foot and Schrader name, to open it up for the real Foot later), and had them stay on Earth in the conclusion, it would have been a solid take on the turtles.

It really isn't that different a story to what we got. Also I don't think the movie would have (I use this term loosely) worked with the changes you suggest. Also considering that the biggest defense of the movie was "hey at least they got the turtles right" would no longer be valid as certainly the Blue Door turtles didn't act like they should other than maybe Donatello googling a secret government plan. (He's the smart one I guess)

I'm sad we didn't get that version of the Turtles, whom were crazy acrobatic and did real ninja ****, were even more like the Turtles we know. And had some really great scenes to display that, as well develop them as characters and brothers.

That, as opposed to the never developed, dumbed down, ADD, Hulk Smash versions we did get.

The versions we got were super acrobatic even if it looks odd given their size and proportions which I think is safe to say we'd have gotten regardless.

What development did the turtles have in the Blue Door script? They seemed as equally dumbed down, Hulk smash turtles there as in the final version.

There was alot of potential in that version. And it was thrown away in favor of something generically ****ty, and no better in its execution of the origin. And all because fans bitched about something that wasn't even accurate.

Potential? Sure. Not for a TMNT story. No martial arts, no personal rivalry with Shredder, none of the personalities or story beats which make up the franchise's core. We barely got that in the finished version which sadly seems like a mean tease of anything but as much I loath to stick up for the movie it was better for it...just a little.

This whole idea that's seems to be being pushed now that their original "vision" would have worked if not for the fans is one of the most bizarre things ever. How was it not generic? It was basically like a bad parody of the Bay Transformers movies with turtles.

And yes...the description of the turtles (as well as Splinter and Shredder) as aliens is accurate. What else would you call them?

[Candy Kappa]

"Alien: Extraterrestrial life, life which does not originate from Earth"

Blue Door Turtles where aliens, end of story.

[Leo656]

Gee... it's almost like the only consistent thing since the beginning, has been this studio's complete and total failure to understand and correctly handle the property.

It's like, in spite of all the changes, the lies, the misdirection. the one thing that never changed since day one is just how much they Don't Get It. And they've shown a serious commitment to Not Getting It, and they've gotten seriously great at it. They've mastered and perfected Not Getting TMNT At All, I'll give 'em that.

Too bad literally every single other thing they they come up with is sh*t.

[Etsyturtle2]

Ugh, really? That is like having the smurfs movies and then removing the fact that they have noses and hats in the next movie. It would mess up the continuity, they may explain a new shredder, but they can't explain a physical difference in the turtles. This is like the people on the scified Godzilla forums where they want godzillas spikes to me smaller in the second movie. It makes no sense. Just my opinion. No hate intended.

[Technogeek29]

They seem to already have shrunk them down.

[Powder]

They seem to already have shrunk them down.

Based on what?

[Etsyturtle2]

Based on what?

That's what I was thinking

[Technogeek29]

I was going by a photo I saw of them facing off against Casey (in name only) the eyes seem to be lowered so as make where Casey towers over them.

[Etsyturtle2]

I was going by a photo I saw of them facing off against Casey (in name only) the eyes seem to be lowered so as make where Casey towers over them.

Uh, yeah sure.:tgrumble:

[TurtleMikey]

He does have a point. For example, look at this video:

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They show the before and after of the "It's just a mask" shot, and you get a good look how the markers for the eyeline translate to CGI model. And its pretty on spot, adding alot of inches to Noel's height (he's about the same height as Megan IRL).

So, it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that the lowered eyelines mean the turtles will be much closer to the actors' actual heights.

Something else to note on the new mocap suits are the lines on the suit. They are unlike the lines on the traditional plastrons. And given how messy and problematic the ones in the 2014 designs were, we may see those and the shell tweaked as well. And those lines, are likely for motion/bend reference.

[IndigoErth]

Maybe. I'm not personally sure if those 'ping pong balls' are actually used as reference points for the models (anyone know?), or if - as I'm more apt to assume - they are intended more as reference for the human actors who are interacting with them and there for line of sight.

So, maybe they made them shorter. But if it's actually reference for the other actors, they also might have simply decided they needed to adjust the line of sight of Fox, etc. after they were able to see the first film rendered out. So I'm not getting my hopes up too much that they made them shorter.

[Meowazziel]

So the designs of the Turtles were very poorly received. Instead of being slim and small ninja's, these Turtles were 6 foot tall hulking monsters with hideous nostrils. Even worse was their "accessories" like Leo having tattoo's or Don wearing glasses, or Mikey's sunglasses danging from him, wtf was up with that?

While they probably can't change the designs too much in order to remain in continuity, do you think they can alter some things? Drop the glasses for Donatello entirely, remove some of their human accessories, and phase out the nostrils at the least. They would still be 6 foot tall Hulk ripoffs, but at least some of the more offensive stuff would be gone.

Raphael:
Remove those sunglasses on Raphaels head.
Like why are they there all the time and why dont they fall off during the battle? Him being bigger and bulkier with a different worn bandana is cool enough. The sunglasses on his bandana are overkill and make me take his look less serious (in a bad way).

Leonardo:
Fine.

Michaelangelo:
Remove the sunglasses that hang on his neck.
Same reason of taking him less serious as with Raphael.
Why would you have those hang around your neck as a ninja in battle anyway.
I dont mind that other necklace. It gives a bit of a hawai surfer vibe that fits him.

Donatello:
Personally I like him having glasses.
He has to much technostuff on his back though. Seems very impractical while fighting and it looks to me that its to easy to break by enemies.
The fact that he takes techno stuff with him is fine though.
Just tune the size he carries on his back down a bit or make it more practical for battle somehow.

The turtles:
I dont mind them being a bit hulky.
They are turtles after all, with a big shell on their back and such.
In most incarnations, they have muscles, so that I didnt mind.
Seems difficult to wear a big turtle shell if you are some tiny skinny dude :P.

I welcome it that they wear pants.
Keep those.

[Technogeek29]

Found this:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/2f405fe9ff58694437c46c9d502c2e5e/tumblr_nwqdlrDF9J1sodha5o1_500.png

https://36.media.tumblr.com/d214487cabe667d502f6b702046665e2/tumblr_nwqdlrDF9J1sodha5o2_1280.png

https://40.media.tumblr.com/adb67fed0a355b3bc1f8f1bd26e21975/tumblr_nwqdlrDF9J1sodha5o3_540.png

https://40.media.tumblr.com/3401d5d451e67ada1960c094e88e354a/tumblr_nwq6xkwy9n1sodha5o1_500.png

personally would've thought they have gone with this design. Its closer to the cartoon, but can have a few touch ups to make it look more realistic.

[Foombamaroom]

found this:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/2f405fe9ff58694437c46c9d502c2e5e/tumblr_nwqdlrdf9j1sodha5o1_500.png

https://36.media.tumblr.com/d214487cabe667d502f6b702046665e2/tumblr_nwqdlrdf9j1sodha5o2_1280.png

https://40.media.tumblr.com/adb67fed0a355b3bc1f8f1bd26e21975/tumblr_nwqdlrdf9j1sodha5o3_540.png

https://40.media.tumblr.com/3401d5d451e67ada1960c094e88e354a/tumblr_nwq6xkwy9n1sodha5o1_500.png

personally would've thought they have gone with this design. Its closer to the cartoon, but can have a few touch ups to make it look more realistic.

...That.. That looks AWESOME!
WHY THE HELL COULDN'T THEY HAVE GONE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS?!
THE FACE IS GREAT.
THE BODY IS LEAN.
IT LOOKS LIKE A TEENAGER.
GOD****INGDAMNIT

[Chopperface]

If they ever do redesign the Turtles and Splinter, they could just chalk it up to them mutating further naturally, kinda like aging or something.

[Etsyturtle2]

If they ever do redesign the Turtles and Splinter, they could just chalk it up to them mutating further naturally, kinda like aging or something.

They did redesign them, well, at least their clothes. But I get your point, and I think that could be pretty grotesque.

[Chopperface]

They did redesign them, well, at least their clothes. But I get your point, and I think that could be pretty grotesque.

I'm aware of the clothes but I mean their physical design. What I had in mind is that say, a sequel picks up a year or two after the previous film. April or Casey make a comment about how the Turtles look so different compared to when they last met them. Donnie goes into a techno-babble about how the mutagen in their body is still causing them mutate and change physically much like how they age. Quick, to the point, and you have more classic designs since everybody loves to bitch about these designs.

[letscook89]

I'm aware of the clothes but I mean their physical design. What I had in mind is that say, a sequel picks up a year or two after the previous film. April or Casey make a comment about how the Turtles look so different compared to when they last met them. Donnie goes into a techno-babble about how the mutagen in their body is still causing them mutate and change physically much like how they age. Quick, to the point, and you have more classic designs since everybody loves to bitch about these designs.

This would be totally stupid. They won't completly change the designs of their main characters because of people tastes. I think the clothes are the only element they will change.

[shuriken]

...That.. That looks AWESOME!
WHY THE HELL COULDN'T THEY HAVE GONE WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS?!
THE FACE IS GREAT.
THE BODY IS LEAN.
IT LOOKS LIKE A TEENAGER.
GOD****INGDAMNIT

Yeah... Kinda feel the same way.

[Klunk1234]

The turtles look a little bit slimmer, but Donnie still looks ridiculous with those glasses and those suspenders. Ugh! He is the genius of the bunch, not a mutated version of Steve Urkel from Family Matters. Donnie is my favourite turtle.

[Klunk1234]

Raphael:
Remove those sunglasses on Raphaels head.
Like why are they there all the time and why dont they fall off during the battle? Him being bigger and bulkier with a different worn bandana is cool enough. The sunglasses on his bandana are overkill and make me take his look less serious (in a bad way).

Leonardo:
Fine.

Michaelangelo:
Remove the sunglasses that hang on his neck.
Same reason of taking him less serious as with Raphael.
Why would you have those hang around your neck as a ninja in battle anyway.
I dont mind that other necklace. It gives a bit of a hawai surfer vibe that fits him.

Donatello:
Personally I like him having glasses.
He has to much technostuff on his back though. Seems very impractical while fighting and it looks to me that its to easy to break by enemies.
The fact that he takes techno stuff with him is fine though.
Just tune the size he carries on his back down a bit or make it more practical for battle somehow.

The turtles:
I dont mind them being a bit hulky.
They are turtles after all, with a big shell on their back and such.
In most incarnations, they have muscles, so that I didnt mind.
Seems difficult to wear a big turtle shell if you are some tiny skinny dude :P.

I welcome it that they wear pants.
Keep those.


It's MICHELANGELO, not longer michaelangelo. Sorry for the caps.

[sethmartin]

The sunglasses never made sense. They were just there to try and make Raph and Mike look cool. Why would mutants who never go out in the sunlight own sunglasses?