The New Mutants

[TurtleTitan97]

EXCLUSIVE: Fox has closed a deal with The Fault In Our Stars director Josh Boone to co-write and direct The New Mutants, a standalone spinoff that expands its X-Men movie universe. The series, already part of the X-Men Comics universe, introduces a new crop of mutant characters born with special powers. Boone will co-write with Knate Gwaltney. Simon Kinberg will produce with Lauren Shuler Donner.

It is not surprising that the studio would want Boone to grow into bigger things. He came out of nowhere to direct The Fault In Our Stars, an adaptation of the John Green novel The Fault In Our Stars. The book had a rabid youthful fan base, but Boone showed a strong feel in bringing youthful pathos to the screen, and while Shailene Woodley was already an emerging star, both Ansel Elgort and Nat Wolff broke through as new stars on that film. The result was a $12 million budget Fox 2000 film that grossed $307 million worldwide. Boone became a hot director right away off that success, and among the projects he has been linked to are adaptations of the Stephen King novels The Stand and Lisey’s Story. He’s also been mentioned as one of the directors Marvel and Sony have been sweet on for the live action Spider-Man franchise reboot. Next up for him is The Vampire Chronicles at Universal, a reboot based on the Anne Rice novels that were turned into Interview With The Vampire: The Vampire Chronicles with Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt. The Stand would go after, so The New Mutants is a couple years away.

Said Kinberg of the X-Men expansion with Boone: “We’re so excited to explore this new part of the X-Men universe, and so excited to do it with Josh, who is uniquely suited to tell this story about young characters.”

Fox has done well mining its X-Men franchise. Ryan Reynolds is playing Deadpool with Tim Miller directing, and Bryan Singer is directing X-Men: Apocalypse for 2016. James Mangold and Hugh Jackman are also doing another Wolverine installment with Hugh Jackman. Behind those is Gambit, a movie that has Channing Tatum attached to star. Those are the current X-Men priorities but it is proactive of Fox to keep new films in the pipeline and to re-engage Boone, who’s repped by CAA and attorney Gregory Slewett. Gwaltney is also CAA.


http://deadline.com/2015/05/the-new-mutants-x-men-josh-boone-the-fault-in-our-stars-fox-1201425641/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Huh. So what characters are we going to see?

[turtlefanforever]

will watch.

[TigerClaw]

a series about a different group of mutants? This happened before, There used to be a series called Mutant X.

I wonder if this new series will have cameos from any of the X-Men?

[TurtleTitan97]

The film is being described as a horror film and won't be featuring costumes or super villains: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new-mutants-details-revealed-will-be-a-horror-movie-with-no-superhero-costumes-a151392

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The film is being described as a horror film and won't be featuring costumes or super villains: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new-mutants-details-revealed-will-be-a-horror-movie-with-no-superhero-costumes-a151392

But it WILL feature a demon bear...?

Right? Isn't that a supervillain?

[TigerClaw]

But it WILL feature a demon bear...?

Right? Isn't that a supervillain?
I think it'll feature the Demon Bear, since I heard its part of the horror element to that Saga.

[Andrew NDB]

That sounds like the exact premise and pitch for the latest Fantastic Four reboot.

[sdp]

The whole "very different" from x-men makes sense, why else would they do something similar to it if they already have X-Men.

However I don't know any of the names mentioned that will appear in it, I know a lot of c-tier mutants and yet I don't know these...I think they're missing the potential of making c-list heroes into A-listerslike Marvel Studios did. There are tons of fan favorite mutants that aren't well known but already have a fanbase. Hell that's the word of mouth that helped deadpool.

No costumes/villains? So basically the X-Men movies?

[TurtleTitan97]

Charlie Heaton (Jonathan Bryers on Stranger Things) has been casted as Sam Guthrie/Cannonball: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new_mutants/stranger-things-star-to-play-cannonball-in-new-mutants-a151509

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Charlie Heaton (Jonathan Bryers on Stranger Things) has been casted as Sam Guthrie/Cannonball: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new_mutants/stranger-things-star-to-play-cannonball-in-new-mutants-a151509

He was a good actor, but he's gonna have to work REALLY hard to get viewers to see him as anything other than his painfully awkward and slightly creepy Stranger Things character.

[TigerClaw]

New Mutants is in its final week of filming, and it looks like the Logo was revealed.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new_mutants/new-mutants-director-josh-boone-unveils-the-x-men-spinoffs-bloody-logo-as-production-winds-down-a153785

https://scontent-dft4-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/21479890_878060765681953_188423505220468736_n.jpg

[Autbot_Benz]

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/10/12/new-mutants-trailer-announced/

we are getting a Teaser Trailer Friday

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm looking forward to seeing the trailer.

This could end up being a refreshing new look at the X-Men, like First Class. Or it could crash and burn.

[Autbot_Benz]

bu9e410C__I


https://i.imgur.com/n6EtwOD.gif

[Turo602]

Looks interesting. Glad to see Fox not be afraid of taking risks.

[ZariusTwo]

Scary X-Movies?

Pass.

[NinjaPug]

Looks like they just threw some X-Men characters into an 80s/90s horror movie. Not a fan of this approach.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

On the one hand, it looks horribly generic.

On the other hand, X-Men horror seems quite interesting and a fresh take.

Gonna have to wait to see how it shakes out, I guess...

[Candy Kappa]

Will humans be the real monsters all along?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Will humans be the real monsters all along?

Deeeeeeeep. :tlol:

[ZariusTwo]

Movie won't be released until February 2019

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/deadpool-2-gambit-new-mutants-get-new-release-dates-1073560

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Movie won't be released until February 2019

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/deadpool-2-gambit-new-mutants-get-new-release-dates-1073560

I wonder what got it kicked almost a year further down the road?

[Andrew NDB]

I wonder what got it kicked almost a year further down the road?

1. Fox saw an early cut and it sucks. Goal: bury it.

2. Fox saw an early cut, liked it, and threw some more money at it for reshoots.

3. https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/849396952781512705/jxODsBB4_400x400.jpg

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

1. Fox saw an early cut and it sucks. Goal: bury it.

2. Fox saw an early cut, liked it, and threw some more money at it for reshoots.

3. https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/849396952781512705/jxODsBB4_400x400.jpg

4. So that Deadpool 2 and New Mutants don't clash in the overseas box office.

Which makes sense. And yet... kinda hard not to suspect #1 or #3...

[NinjaPug]

Hopefully Fox finally realized it was a dumb idea to make a horror movie that just happened to have New Mutants characters in it.

[plastroncafe]

I'm thinking the exact opposite, doing stuff WITH mutants is far more compelling than just having mutants doing stuff.

See also:

Legion and Logan.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I'm thinking the exact opposite, doing stuff WITH mutants is far more compelling than just having mutants doing stuff.

See also:

Legion and Logan.

Agreed. The way to keep a franchise/trope fresh is to explore it in new contexts...

Western; horror; comedy; etc...

[Cure]

I'm thinking the exact opposite, doing stuff WITH mutants is far more compelling than just having mutants doing stuff.

See also:

Legion and Logan.

Yeah, agreed. ****ing sucks, I was really looking forward to this.

[Andrew NDB]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/new-mutants-being-reworked-to-be-scarier/

Reason for delay: "It tested well, but not great" and "not scary enough." So reshoots.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/new-mutants-being-reworked-to-be-scarier/

Reason for delay: "It tested well, but not great" and "not scary enough." So reshoots.

I have a hard time believing reshoots will be sufficient to truly increase the horror. Still, though, if it helps differentiate this film as not just another X-Men movie...

[Andrew NDB]

I have a hard time believing reshoots will be sufficient to truly increase the horror.

The "go to" for that in horror movies is often times to go back and add in trippy nightmare sequences for the characters. In every instance I've seen, it always hurts the movie, not helps.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The "go to" for that in horror movies is often times to go back and add in trippy nightmare sequences for the characters. In every instance I've seen, it always hurts the movie, not helps.

That's what I was thinking, too. Hallucinations and dream sequences.

[Andrew NDB]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new_mutants/new-mutants-still-features-the-team-in-peril-josh-boone-reveals-rating-and-whether-were-getting-costumes-a157219

So "no costumes" and "hard PG-13."

https://m.popkey.co/f20fb8/4Q4Rl_s-200x150.gif

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new_mutants/new-mutants-still-features-the-team-in-peril-josh-boone-reveals-rating-and-whether-were-getting-costumes-a157219

So "no costumes" and "hard PG-13."

https://m.popkey.co/f20fb8/4Q4Rl_s-200x150.gif

Not surprised by either of those. Although I do doubt "hard"...

[Andrew NDB]

It's a strange choice. Since "New Mutants" was born in the wake of "Deadpool," a R-rated comedy that made more money than any Singerverse movie ever... they want to turn around and make it a PG-13 horror movie? An X-Men horror movie is already an odd thing, but a PG-13 one? Ehh...

[AquaParade]

Neither of those things should make me less excited.

Both do.

Still, within his vision, maybe those are the best choices to make.

[ZariusTwo]

The reshoots mean the film's original post-credits scene has been tossed out. It would have featured Jon Hamm playing X-Men villain Mr. Sinister. A new post-credit scene is being filmed with Antonio Bandearas as a mystery character

http://www.superherohype.com/news/414215-jon-hamm-was-going-to-play-mister-sinister-in-the-new-mutants#/slide/1

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Warpath. Calling it now. Or Thunderbird. We need Dani or Mirage. Or Magick.

[Andrew NDB]

The planned reshoots for it's twice pushed back release date have been cancelled?

https://cosmicbook.news/x-men-new-mutants-reshoots-canceled-release-doubt

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

The planned reshoots for it's twice pushed back release date have been cancelled?

https://cosmicbook.news/x-men-new-mutants-reshoots-canceled-release-doubt

Seems to indicate the whole damn film might be cancelled at this point.

[Andrew NDB]

Seems to indicate the whole damn film might be cancelled at this point.

What was the correct GIF? Oh yes. This one.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JampackedVastAracari-size_restricted.gif

Feel bad for Maisie. From what I gather she died when she heard she got the part... and right after Sophie got the Apocalypse part, who was equally ecstatic.

Shesus. They should have seen which way the wind was blowing. Just wait a couple of years and then Marvel/Disney could have casted them any which way... now they're uncastable in the MCU because they're in the "old" thing. Maybe as second rate parts in, like, Guardians 3 or something. Now.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

What was the correct GIF? Oh yes. This one.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/JampackedVastAracari-size_restricted.gif

Feel bad for Maisie. From what I gather she died when she heard she got the part... and right after Sophie got the Apocalypse part, who was equally ecstatic.

Shesus. They should have seen which way the wind was blowing. Just wait a couple of years and then Marvel/Disney could have casted them any which way... now they're uncastable in the MCU because they're in the "old" thing. Maybe as second rate parts in, like, Guardians 3 or something. Now.

Hot Fuzz is the GIF gift that keeps on giving. :tgrin:

Yeah, this late in the CBM game, I feel like most actors and actresses should know which franchises are "good" and which are "bad"... unless you as an actor have a particular affinity for a character (say you loved Cyclops as a kid), why would you want to be cast in a Fox-Men movie when you know the odds are 50-50 of success? 50-50 at BEST?

[Andrew NDB]

Hot Fuzz is the GIF gift that keeps on giving. :tgrin:

Yeah, this late in the CBM game, I feel like most actors and actresses should know which franchises are "good" and which are "bad"... unless you as an actor have a particular affinity for a character (say you loved Cyclops as a kid), why would you want to be cast in a Fox-Men movie when you know the odds are 50-50 of success? 50-50 at BEST?

Or that it's part of a franchise that is about to get acquired by another studio with 99.9% odds that it will get hard rebooted.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Or that it's part of a franchise that is about to get acquired by another studio with 99.9% odds that it will get hard rebooted.

Yep. It's not that hard to do the homework. Writing's been on the wall for a few years now, getting clearer every day.

[Andrew NDB]

... beyond the morons that still light a candle that Hugh Jackman will be reprising the role of Wolverine. It's everywhere.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

... beyond the morons that still light a candle that Hugh Jackman will be reprising the role of Wolverine. It's everywhere.

Tell me that's not still a thing! :tlol:

What's next, do they think Tobey will be replace Tom in MCU Spidey 3?

[Andrew NDB]

Maisie not exactly optimistic about the movie coming out at all:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new_mutants/new-mutants-maisie-williams-on-the-status-of-the-movie-who-knows-when-the-fck-thats-coming-out-a167398?fbclid=IwAR2YliXK3s3AT8vB1ysqxpKwJ3q5SNSi4 qagIzB0BTcsnVKACdKALZSL8oY

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Maisie not exactly optimistic about the movie coming out at all:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new_mutants/new-mutants-maisie-williams-on-the-status-of-the-movie-who-knows-when-the-fck-thats-coming-out-a167398?fbclid=IwAR2YliXK3s3AT8vB1ysqxpKwJ3q5SNSi4 qagIzB0BTcsnVKACdKALZSL8oY

Neither are we, Maisie. Neither are we.

Well, except that WE'RE optimistic that it WON'T come out. :trazz:

[oldmanwinters]

Maisie not exactly optimistic about the movie coming out at all:

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new_mutants/new-mutants-maisie-williams-on-the-status-of-the-movie-who-knows-when-the-fck-thats-coming-out-a167398?fbclid=IwAR2YliXK3s3AT8vB1ysqxpKwJ3q5SNSi4 qagIzB0BTcsnVKACdKALZSL8oY

So I guess the original release for this movie was April 13, 2018?

I went to see last summer's Jurassic World sequel with my family, and they absolutely hated the New Mutants trailer. I can't imagine it was the best decision for the trailer to go with the Saw-esque torture-porn theme.

[neatoman]

Just quietly put it on Hulu/Disney+. They're going to need a bunch of stuff on there regardless, just bundle it with the other 12 X-Men movies, the 3 Fantastic Four movies, Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher and Howard the Duck as the "Pre-MCU".

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Just quietly put it on Hulu/Disney+. They're going to need a bunch of stuff on there regardless, just bundle it with the other 12 X-Men movies, the 3 Fantastic Four movies, Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher and Howard the Duck as the "Pre-MCU".

There ya go. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Just quietly put it on Hulu/Disney+. They're going to need a bunch of stuff on there regardless, just bundle it with the other 12 X-Men movies, the 3 Fantastic Four movies, Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher and Howard the Duck as the "Pre-MCU".

Just throw "Dark Phoenix" in there, too, I say.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Just throw "Dark Phoenix" in there, too, I say.

You mean, The Last Stand (James McAvoy Edition)? :tlol:

[Leo656]

:lol: My buddy is a huge FoX-Men fan and he's SO MAD that Dark Phoenix is set to tank. I feel bad for him.

Although I can't understand the enthusiasm. He owns the entire X-Men animated series, and that's a pretty good adaptation of the actual X-Men universe, albeit watered down for kids. The movies are... Jesus, what ARE the movies, exactly? Like "Very Loosely Inspired By The X-Men" doesn't even really cover it.

Everyone's out of character, nobody's on the right side, the order of events is all screwed up, characters exist in the complete wrong decades and anything that doesn't make sense is hand-waved away because one of the movies had a time-travel gimmick (which actually caused WAY more problems than it solved).

If you love the X-Men, how can you honestly love something that bears NO resemblance to the goddamn X-Men except for the fact that one guy has claws and another guy is in a wheelchair?

I don't get it.

[Andrew NDB]

If you love the X-Men, how can you honestly love something that bears NO resemblance to the goddamn X-Men except for the fact that one guy has claws and another guy is in a wheelchair?

I don't get it.

That's what I've been saying for 20 years now. What confuses me is people's confusion when I say "it's nothing like X-Men should be."

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

:lol: My buddy is a huge FoX-Men fan and he's SO MAD that Dark Phoenix is set to tank. I feel bad for him.

Although I can't understand the enthusiasm. He owns the entire X-Men animated series, and that's a pretty good adaptation of the actual X-Men universe, albeit watered down for kids. The movies are... Jesus, what ARE the movies, exactly? Like "Very Loosely Inspired By The X-Men" doesn't even really cover it.

Everyone's out of character, nobody's on the right side, the order of events is all screwed up, characters exist in the complete wrong decades and anything that doesn't make sense is hand-waved away because one of the movies had a time-travel gimmick (which actually caused WAY more problems than it solved).

If you love the X-Men, how can you honestly love something that bears NO resemblance to the goddamn X-Men except for the fact that one guy has claws and another guy is in a wheelchair?

I don't get it.

If it weren't for Ian McKellan, Patrick Stewart, and Hugh Jackman, and later James McAvoy, Jennifer Lawrence, and Michael Fassbender, the X-Men movies would never have succeeded.

They're 90% terrible, with some great actors in a few critical roles.

[Leo656]

I mean, to be fair, I'm a near-total neophyte.

My Dad collected Marvel books when I was a kid, and I tried to read them, but... well, 1990s Marvel books were generally decent pin-up books with okay artwork but some real nonsense passing for "stories". To anyone who prefers Marvel comics over DC's books, that's certainly their prerogative, but I dismissed them as "juvenile" when I was, like, 9. I gave it a shot, couldn't get into it. Not judging, just explaining.

The cartoons were okay, though, and I knew enough from the books to make me recognize a lot of what I saw, and I appreciated that. And later, the X-Men Legends video games were very good. Those things, the Fox cartoon and the Legends games, are where 90% of my non-movie X-Men knowledge comes from, and it's still similar enough to the books I HAVE read so as to at least be recognizable and familiar.

When I watch the movies, they're Good action films but Terrible adaptations of the X-Men universe. I don't recognize these characters, these scenarios... it's all so completely askew. And again, what else can you expect when the guy (Singer) who's responsible for most of it is on-record as saying, "I don't care about comic books, I've never read them." Then WHY, sir, are you HERE? Like, I get it, you're gay, and "metaphor" and "subtext" and all that... Fine. FINE. But why are you making "X-Men" movies if you ACTIVELY and OPENLY don't give a SH*T about the goddamn X-Men?!

It's actually kind of vulgar how Singer co-opted a popular franchise he had zero actual interest in, just so he could work out his personal "coming out" issues on a film and get paid blockbuster money to do so. Especially knowing as we do now what a scumbag human being he is.

I'm not a big fan of the Disney/Fox merger and how it brings us ten steps closer to the Disney Monopoly endgame, but I'm cautiously looking forward to seeing an X-Men universe that at least KINDA looks, feels, and acts like X-Men As I Recognize Them. That'll be nice, if nothing else.

[Andrew NDB]

the entire X-Men animated series, and that's a pretty good adaptation of the actual X-Men universe, albeit watered down for kids.

Yep. Just take that and make it somewhat more adult... bam. That is the X-Men.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yep. Just take that and make it somewhat more adult... bam. That is the X-Men.

I really need to watch that someday.

[oldmanwinters]

I would love it if we get to see 90s-era Rogue with Captain Marvel powers on screen one day.

[ZariusTwo]

I really need to watch that someday.

Mcavoy must bind the Phoenix with the power of AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[neatoman]

Come to think of it, they do have the rights to most of the Marvel Cartoons now as well. Including X-Men TAS and 90's Spider-Man, that'll make for good streaming content. Let's here, Marvel based TV shows they now own:


Spider-Woman (probably, production company seems to have merged with Disney through other mergers)
Spider-Man ´81 (probably, same as above)
Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends (probably, same as above)
Hulk ´82 (probably, same as above)
Pryde of the X-Men (Technically just a pilot, so let's call it a "short")
X-Men ´92
Iron Man ´94
Fantastic 4 ´94
Spider-Man ´94
Ultraforce (possibly)
Hulk ´96
Silver Surfer
Spider-Man Unlimited
The Avengers: United They Stand
X-Men: Evolution (Maybe, possibly Film Roman but the copyright just states Marvel)
Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes (unless Dargaud does, which I think might be on of only 2 possible instances where a French company would own a Marvel cartoon)
Wolverine and the X-Men (I think? The copyright only states Marvel but in regards to the characters.)
Iron Man: Armored Adventures (Same with FFWGH, but with a lot more companies involved. More on this underneath the spoiler tag.)
The Super Hero Squad Show (maybe)
The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (probably)


There's a lot of maybe's here, but the only one here I have any serious doubts about is Armored Adventures as that's just about the only one that doesn't just list Marvel as the copyright holder or a company bought by Disney, but rather a multitude of companies. Unless it was made by Fox, Saban or some other company bought by Disney, then take what this list says with a grain of salt.

[ZariusTwo]

Movie won't be out this year at all, it's now April 2020


https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-avatar-star-wars-marvel-1203207661/

[AquaParade]

I'm still hoping this is a great film. I am hoping both that the re-shoot was used to add Warlock, as was rumored, and that they find some way to capture the intensity of Bill Sienkiewicz artwork in some tense way.
The latter is sort of a large request, but that is what makes the Demon Bear Saga special in the first place, which is what the film is based upon.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Movie won't be out this year at all, it's now April 2020


https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-avatar-star-wars-marvel-1203207661/

:tlol:

Maybe we'll get a Man of Steel 2 before this New Mutants movie. :trazz:

[Andrew NDB]

Movie won't be out this year at all, it's now April 2020
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/disney-avatar-star-wars-marvel-1203207661/

Shesus... and they're still not even doing any reshoots for it anymore? Just dump it on Hulu, for heaven's sakes.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Shesus... and they're still not even doing any reshoots for it anymore? Just dump it on Hulu, for heaven's sakes.

It ain't alcohol. It ain't gonna get better with age.

Release it, take the hit, and move on.

[Andrew NDB]

It ain't alcohol. It ain't gonna get better with age.

Release it, take the hit, and move on.

Plus, do they really want to move this even closer to their actual reboot X-Men movies?

Dump it out ASAP. The sooner they do, the sooner the fetid stink of Singer's legacy can dissipate.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Plus, do they really want to move this even closer to their actual reboot X-Men movies?

Dump it out ASAP. The sooner they do, the sooner the fetid stink of Singer's legacy can dissipate.

Yeah, I'm not really sure what the business upside is here. What exactly do they stand to gain by this?

They're not going to make more money. They're not going to save more money. They're not going to win anything in PR.

Where's the win?

[raph27]

I'm shocked they didn't just throw it out on Blu-ray/Disney Plus and call it a day.

[Andrew NDB]

Totally devil's advocate here and nothing supported by any actual facts... but maybe, maybe Disney/Marvel sees something within what was shot of "The New Mutants?" In terms of, "well, this is interesting, and it's pretty divorced from the Singerverse anyway... maybe this can be remolded as some kind of mutants intro to the MCU."

Ehhh... possibly? Certainly saves bucks doing something from scratch. And my theory would require them actually doing new reshoots which there is no evidence of.

[ZariusTwo]

Disney remain unimpressed with the film and doubt it's box office potential

https://variety.com/2019/film/features/fox-disney-earnings-dark-phoenix-stuber-racing-in-the-rain-1203300260/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Disney remain unimpressed with the film and doubt it's box office potential

https://variety.com/2019/film/features/fox-disney-earnings-dark-phoenix-stuber-racing-in-the-rain-1203300260/

So do we, Disney. So do we.

[CyberCubed]

They'll probably just put it on a streaming service. I doubt they'll never release it at all if most of it is done.

[oldmanwinters]

Looks like Disney might be keeping their options open for this to be an MCU-verse film:
https://screenrant.com/new-mutants-movies-x-men-references-mcu/?utm_content=buffer065b3&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=SR-FB-P&utm_campaign=SR-FB-P&fbclid=IwAR3MXcNEhZpxQganlXy1wlkAatnRit2nkpT2JiYiw F0xSbtE6nm30urxh3g

[AquaParade]

Someone take this dog out back and put it down.

[The Deadman]

Looks like Disney might be keeping their options open for this to be an MCU-verse film:
https://screenrant.com/new-mutants-movies-x-men-references-mcu/?utm_content=buffer065b3&utm_medium=Social-Distribution&utm_source=SR-FB-P&utm_campaign=SR-FB-P&fbclid=IwAR3MXcNEhZpxQganlXy1wlkAatnRit2nkpT2JiYiw F0xSbtE6nm30urxh3g

Good, this is a MARVEL movie I was actually looking forward to seeing.

[ZariusTwo]

New trailer due January, said to feel "more like a Marvel movie"

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a30315985/x-men-the-new-mutants-new-trailer-january-2020/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

New trailer due January, said to feel "more like a Marvel movie"

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a30315985/x-men-the-new-mutants-new-trailer-january-2020/

Great, this horror movie definitely needed more $hit humor. Good for them. :tlol:

[Andrew NDB]

Hm, does this mean it's possible this is being retrofit as a legit MCU movie?

[Sumac]

I don't think so: it would be strange to introduce mutants into MCU with a Frankenstein of the movie.

[Andrew NDB]

They actually made a new trailer for it:

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[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

They actually made a new trailer for it:

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I really, really don't give a $hit. Actually forgot that this is the SECOND trailer.

[Sumac]

It lives!! It lives!!

But will it be released in theatres?

[Andrew NDB]

I think so.

While there's very little reason to suspect it will, I wonder what happens if this makes a lot of money and is really well received?

[IMJ]

From the trailer it comes off as a failed movie adaptation of a YA novel - like "I Am No. 12" or 4 or whatever that was.

But I like that actress in the ridiculous show "Queen of the South" so there's that.

[Coola Yagami]

Like... why is this still a thing? X-Men ended with Phoenix. Let it die. Why waste time making **** in the same universe. Betcha Illyana won't even be Colossus' sister.

[raph27]

That trailer was so bland it hurts. If they didn't say the word "mutant" I would assume it was another generic horror movie.

[CyberCubed]

They're releasing it to cut their losses since the movie was practically done. Besides that X-men in the MCU is likely still a few years off, probably at least 4-5 years, so by then this movie will be forgotten anyway.

[Andrew NDB]

They're releasing it to cut their losses since the movie was practically done.

I was curious if Marvel/Disney would end up seeing something in the movie more than Fox did... but the recent stuff about the director being restored full creative control over the edit and it being his vision 100% suggests more Disney just kind of going, "Oh, whatever. We're not using this but at least it can be consistent with the original 'vision.'" A throwaway. Hopefully it gets back some of the money they lost with Dark Phoenix and all.

Besides that X-men in the MCU is likely still a few years off, probably at least 4-5 years, so by then this movie will be forgotten anyway.

Maybe a proper X-Men movie is about 4 years off, but guaranteed we'll start getting X-Men stuff way more sooner than later to start setting stuff up. Storm in Black Panther 2 and so on.

[Coola Yagami]

Since they're never gonna bring the Fox-Men into the MCU they need to just end it and kill it already so they can rebuild the brand in a year or so. This movie stopped needing to exist the moment Disney bought FOX and Phoenix failed.

[Leo656]

Yeah, but they paid for it. Gotta try and get SOME money back. One can argue that they shouldn't have bothered in the first place - and that would be the truth - but it's too late, now.

They definitely got together, crunched the numbers, and decided whether a theatrical or streaming release would potentially recoup more of their investment. They're most likely going to lose a lot of money, but if they didn't think they'd get at least half of what they already spent back, they'd kick it to Disney+ or whatever.

It's probably a good decision. They can probably count on at least a few "curiosity tickets" sold to people who go see whatever's out and don't follow the "dirt sheets". Anyone who'd potentially stream it has been following the production over the last several years and is already well-aware that it's a lost cause, so there's no money in a streaming or download or straight-to-disc release. They're banking on someone who doesn't know any better, seeing a commercial and buying a ticket. Otherwise, they wouldn't bother.

I mean, ultimately, they shouldn't have bothered making the thing in the first place, but again, too late now.

[The Deadman]

This is gonna be awesome

[Andrew NDB]

Headed for soft, 15-25 million opening:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/new-mutants-heads-for-soft-debut/

[IMJ]

This is gonna be awesome

Headed for soft, 15-25 million opening:

https://www.darkhorizons.com/new-mutants-heads-for-soft-debut/

Oh boy....

:lol:

[Andrew NDB]

Supposedly part of the MCU?

https://insidethemagic.net/2020/01/new-mutants-mcu-ro1/?fbclid=IwAR2bhED2TXEyhpciNyKPyxCeTwRnCgCbs2o6SNAY Ik7nEHmEOBF39hcxS8w

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Supposedly part of the MCU?

https://insidethemagic.net/2020/01/new-mutants-mcu-ro1/?fbclid=IwAR2bhED2TXEyhpciNyKPyxCeTwRnCgCbs2o6SNAY Ik7nEHmEOBF39hcxS8w

I doubt it. Seems like a really weird choice. Why keep a $hittier part of the Fox-Men for the MCU, and not stars like McAvoy, Fassbender, Stewart, or McKellan?

[Andrew NDB]

Why keep a $hittier part of the Fox-Men for the MCU, and not stars like McAvoy, Fassbender, Stewart, or McKellan?

Just a guess, but because the New Mutants are a brand new and tiny corner of the mutant landscape they can either keep or ignore going forward, and because McAvoy, Fassbender, Stewart, and McKellen are all part of the larger mutant landscape that is tarnished and ruined?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Just a guess, but because the New Mutants are a brand new and tiny corner of the mutant landscape they can either keep or ignore going forward, and because McAvoy, Fassbender, Stewart, and McKellen are all part of the larger mutant landscape that is tarnished and ruined?

And they require much smaller paychecks. :tgrin:

[Autbot_Benz]

Cancelled cause of Corona virus

https://collider.com/mulan-new-mutants-release-canceled-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=collidersocial&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter

Disney has canceled its release plans for Mulan (March 27), The New Mutants (April 3) and Scott Cooper‘s horror movie Antlers (April 17), the studio announced Thursday. Unlike No Time to Die and F9, it’s unclear when any of them will hit theaters,

More to come…

[Sumac]

Haven't they release date moved before?

[Andrew NDB]

Haven't they release date moved before?

This is the third or fourth time.

[neatoman]

Haven't they release date moved before?

This is the third or fourth time.

I swear, wasn't this movie originally coming out either late 2017 or early 2018? The release date would have been pushed forward 2.5-3 years if that's the case. It's like this movie is cursed.

[IMJ]

I know they feel that these movies will fare better if released after this thing has passed, but maybe they should consider streaming releases on netflix or Disney plus as big events.

[Andrew NDB]

I know they feel that these movies will fare better if released after this thing has passed, but maybe they should consider streaming releases on netflix or Disney plus as big events.

For "New Mutants" in particular, especially after this and as many times as it's been bounced... yeah, just release it. Hulu, Disney+, whatever they want to do.

[Egon1982]

I wonder why they refilmed? not good enough or what?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

For "New Mutants" in particular, especially after this and as many times as it's been bounced... yeah, just release it. Hulu, Disney+, whatever they want to do.

:tlol:

The movie that could not release, but also could not die...

[oldmanwinters]

Hey, maybe it'll see release in 2022! :tlol:

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/the-new-mutants-disney-plus-not-coming-mcu-marvel-release-date/

[neatoman]

Hey, maybe it'll see release in 2022! :tlol:

https://www.small-screen.co.uk/the-new-mutants-disney-plus-not-coming-mcu-marvel-release-date/

Jesus, ever heard of a finished movie getting delayed 4 years before?

[oldmanwinters]

Most comparable thing that comes to mind was Universal's The Wolfman (Anthony Hopkins, Emily Blunt), which finally hit theatres in Feburary 2010, even though the movie should have been ready for a 2008 release until the studio thought it needed lots of CGI effects.

Similarly, G. I. Joe: Retaliation which got a Superbowl ad spot in 2012 but was shelved for a year supposedly for "3D upgrade," but really it was to film a few more inconsequential scenes with Channing Tatum.

But, none of those are even on the level with New Mutants.

[ZariusTwo]

Now available for pre-order

https://www.cbr.com/marvels-new-mutants-pre-order/

[AquaParade]

Bummer for the cast and crew but I'd love to watch this at home as soon as possible.

[Andrew NDB]

Now available for pre-order

https://www.cbr.com/marvels-new-mutants-pre-order/

Not anymore. They took it down.

[neatoman]

Not anymore. They took it down.

Jesus ****ing Christ, really? Not even a digital release?

[Andrew NDB]

Jesus ****ing Christ, really? Not even a digital release?

Well, you can't fault them for trying to. It turns out they (or specifically probably Fox, pre-Disney acquisition) had pre-set legal obligations with the film's investors to NOT just do a digital release as a premiere. A little surprising that nobody, not one person in f***ing Disney's legal team had any idea about this, though.

[The Deadman]

They need to just release it digitally already, go the premium VOD route.

[Jazzfox]

Gaaaaaaah! I so badly wanna see this movie yet every time I look up something has happened to it

Is the development hell this one's going through so much more epic than the movie itself that it'll be a surprise hit? I do want to see it do decent enough, but at this rate, no idea what to think

Strange enough on that preorder link shared eariler, although it's gone from Amazon? Apparently if you're on Amazon UK you STILL can preorder it? Which just seems plain darn weird and I got nothing I can think why the disparity

[Autbot_Benz]

New Mutants SDCC from Home panel was today. Its still coming to theaters on August 28th which was Bill and Ted's old slot.

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new trailer starts 24:18

[oldmanwinters]

Well... y'all think it's finally gonna happen next week?

Or do the Space Aliens make themselves public next Tuesday and the movie gets shelved again?

[IMJ]

Well... y'all think it's finally gonna happen next week?

I'm guessing that Mulan is going to wind up on torrent everywhere and New Mutants will follow suit.

[TigerClaw]

Lockheed is in the movie.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men/new_mutants/the-new-mutants-tv-spot-finally-give-us-a-proper-look-at-classic-x-men-sidekick-lockheed-a177713#gs.dj0fyd

[oldmanwinters]

Well, the space aliens haven't invaded yet, so I think this movie might actually hit theaters tomorrow night.

Who's gonna "Opening Night" this thing, just to say you did it? I'm sure the movie could use every dollar. :tlol:

[ZariusTwo]

Our first review

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/the-new-mutants-film-review?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=THR%20Breaking%20News&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews

[oldmanwinters]

Our first review

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/the-new-mutants-film-review?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=THR%20Breaking%20News&utm_term=hollywoodreporter_breakingnews

The "rave" reviews keep rollin' in!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/08/28/review-new-mutants-is-the-worst-x-men-movie-ever/

https://variety.com/2020/film/reviews/the-new-mutants-review-orphaned-x-men-spinoff-an-off-brand-remix-of-1980s-teen-and-horror-movie-cliches-1234752077/

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/the-new-mutants-smashed-rotten-tomatoes-critics/

Early Rotten Tomatoes score stands at 29% Critical Rating and 56% Audience Rating. A quote from Days of Thunder comes to mind...
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[ZariusTwo]

Maisie Williams handles it like a pro

https://twitter.com/Maisie_Williams/status/1299410794862477314

[Andrew NDB]

"The worst X-Men movie ever."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/08/28/review-new-mutants-is-the-worst-x-men-movie-ever/?fbclid=IwAR2FmgpDffzHZbAr3VNFWU0mSsDyQ-GGFwFtmLQlLplQfGNinTtG1THWspg#28b21706b153

[neatoman]

"The worst X-Men movie ever."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/08/28/review-new-mutants-is-the-worst-x-men-movie-ever/?fbclid=IwAR2FmgpDffzHZbAr3VNFWU0mSsDyQ-GGFwFtmLQlLplQfGNinTtG1THWspg#28b21706b153

And then Disney will reboot the franchise as part of the MCU. We knew this movie was going to be irrelevant ever since the merger, only now we know they can't do worse.

[AquaParade]

Worst ever is not a low bar. I'm skeptical that's true because the trailers look kinda cool and Wolverine: Origins is just so bad.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

"The worst X-Men movie ever."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2020/08/28/review-new-mutants-is-the-worst-x-men-movie-ever/?fbclid=IwAR2FmgpDffzHZbAr3VNFWU0mSsDyQ-GGFwFtmLQlLplQfGNinTtG1THWspg#28b21706b153

I'm not turning off my AdBlocker for Forbes, but I doubt it. We've had some real turds, and a movie that butchers Cyclops and Storm is a far worse travesty than a movie that butchers a bunch of young mutants most casuals have never heard of.

[Jester]

I'm very surprised this didn't just get dumped on Disney+.

[Sumac]

It is Fox's X-men movie. It is bad. What else is new?

Out of the whole series, they are like 4 good movies total. The rest of them are average to complete trash. :tlol:

[IMJ]

It is Fox's X-men movie. It is bad. What else is new?

Out of the whole series, they are like 4 good movies total. The rest of them are average to complete trash. :tlol:

Right? How in God's name did a franchise that was repeatedly put through the meat grinder on film get so many movies.

The first X-Men flick had the benefit of being highly anticipated and a first of it's kind - not only a (at the time) rare superhero flick, but a team movie using a property that just wrapped up a successful cartoon. But in hindsight, it's not a good flick. X2 isn't all that great but it benefits from the Mansion fight scene. X3, First Class, Origins are awful. First Class was actually supposed to be part of Fox's "Origins" headed movies along with a Magneto flick, but when Wolverine:Origins was lambasted they tried to rework it. Days of Future Past is mediocre - it's fine. Logan is great cinema but it contributes to the insufferable, poorly executed continuity crap that brings down the entire franchise. Deadpool was fun, but you don't go back to them repeatedly. Fox's X-Men is a franchise that is loaded with cool moments here or there, but generally not great or high quality, generally with pretty awful special effects.

Honestly the only one I go back to watch repeatedly is The Wolverine. It's just a solid, comic-booky Wolverine flick.

[Leo656]

Right? How in God's name did a franchise that was repeatedly put through the meat grinder on film get so many movies.

Name recognition, that's all I can figure.

I have a buddy, real good guy. Very sharp, usually pretty discerning with his movie tastes. But he loves the X-Men series, with the exception of X3 and the first two Wolverines. Basically, he loved the cartoon as a kid, and when it comes to the movies he can overlook basically anything. Doesn't even care that the movies are essentially "Wolverine and Friends", or that the entire thing is one giant "In Name Only" clusterf*ck of bad characterization, an impossible timeline, and gigantic plot holes that we're supposed to ignore because "Well, they time-traveled once so ALL inconsistencies between films are thus handwaved away Because Time Travel Bro." Totally doesn't care. They say "X-Men" on the label, and they're competent action movies. That's all he asks for in that.

It's bizarre, because he otherwise has pretty good taste and is VERY discriminatory about movies outside of this specific series. Although even he admitted the last one was junk. I don't think he was planning to even acknowledge this one, I'll have to ask him.

Point being, some people can overlook a LOT in the name of loyalty to a specific brand, and there's apparently enough of those people out there so that certain things get a chance to keep going even though they maybe shouldn't.

[Galactus]

Name recognition and the fact they had one maybe two decent movies years ago. Pretty much why there are so many TMNT movies.

[Sumac]

The best movies in X-Men series are, IMO, First Class and Days of Future Past. Those two which I genuinely found interesting and fan, which is pretty rare, when it comes to Fox's X-Men, since its creators did everything to make as serious and unfan as possible.
Deadpools 1 and 2 as well, but I am not sure if they can be counted towards X-men franchise.


I haven't watched Logan, Apopcalypse, Dark Penis and New Mutards, but I bet they won't be in my list of good movies, except maybe for Logan.

[AquaParade]

I'm very surprised this didn't just get dumped on Disney+.

Right. It was a contractual issue though, from before Disney came on board. The movie had to be shown in theaters.

[oldmanwinters]

Can't help but love this self-righteous morality lecture via Gizmodo that the movie made too much money this week on account of "approximately half a million people who went to see The New Mutants, risking coronavirus to go sit in a movie theater, which is, uhh, not the safest environment to be in right now, despite precautions taken by re-opened theaters.
Now, listen, I don’t want to shame anybody..."
https://io9.gizmodo.com/new-mutants-made-7-million-at-the-box-office-which-is-1844897415

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Right. It was a contractual issue though, from before Disney came on board. The movie had to be shown in theaters.

Of any X-Men movie, this one here had the most interesting real-life story. :tlol:

What a roller coaster...

[Leo656]

Can't help but love this self-righteous morality lecture via Gizmodo that the movie made too much money this week on account of "approximately half a million people who went to see The New Mutants, risking coronavirus to go sit in a movie theater, which is, uhh, not the safest environment to be in right now, despite precautions taken by re-opened theaters.
Now, listen, I don?t want to shame anybody..."
https://io9.gizmodo.com/new-mutants-made-7-million-at-the-box-office-which-is-1844897415

I should've stopped reading when I saw Julie Muncy's name on the header. Absolutely everything she's ever written about everything makes me wanna puke. :lol: She's a master of whiny, preachy, finger-wagging bullsh*t. Actually that whole site is like that, but she's consistently awful.

Someone in the comments section did the math and figures that based on how much it made and how many theaters showed it per day, each screening probably had like, 7 people. :lol: I'm SURE that's gonna trigger a goddamn plague.

Pretty sure actually that going to Shop-Rite is more dangerous than sitting in a theater with 5 or 6 other people spread miles apart. But whatever.

Anybody who'd go see THIS movie probably deserves a little somethin' anyways. :trazz: I'm kidding. Kinda.

[oldmanwinters]

I'm very surprised this didn't just get dumped on Disney+.

Yeah, here are some of the details on the pre-existing deal between FOX and HBO Max, which is why Disney couldn't just dump it to Disney+ before 2022:
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/new-mutants-hbo-max-chris-pine-star-trek-4-possessor-trailer

[Jester]

Ahh...well that makes sense...in a Hollywood sort of way.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw it, finally. Remember when I was theorizing, "Hey, maybe Marvel Studios will try and manipulate this movie to maybe be the first official appearance of Mutants in the MCU?"

Yeah, no. This was boring and BAD. It might have worked if it came out in like 1995. I feel bad for the cast who were duped into this and thought it would lead to big things in the X-Men verse. That was never in the cards. I can't even imagine how extensive reshoots would have saved this.

[Andrew NDB]

I should add...

... that if the notion of a Maisie Williams lesbian makeout scene might redeem the movie for you, there you go. It's in there.

[neatoman]

Yeah, this movie does suck, and it really sucks that it sucks. I expected it to suck, I got pretty much what I expected but... Well... Part of me still wishes I had a better time. There is a reason I decided to watch this in the theatre despite the fact that it is an obvious turd.

Because... It's the end, you know? Obviously we're getting an X-Men reboot as part of the MCU, so there aren't any worries that we won't see Wolverine, Cyclops, Xavier, Jean, Beast, Nightcrawler, Mystique, Magneto, etc. in the movies again. But there won't ever be any more sequels to the 2000 movie, even if a third of them ended up being total trash, it still makes me a little sad.