Was Vision Quest episode a waste?

[UnwiseOne]

Based from the latest episodes after vision quest, what do you think?

[victory_angel]

I don't see the vision quest as a waste. It would have been better if it were longer such as taking out a few of the less needed episodes from the North Hampton arc and maybe have more build up that this is something they need to do.

For example a good way to have done it is have Splinter appear to each of the Turtles in a dream and he doesn't talk to them but they do feel his tormented Spirit.

The next morning they realize they all had the same dream. They tell April and Casey they need to go out into the woods for a few days and would be back. That night they all meditate around the camp fire or they are instructed to. Splinter appears to them and tells them what they must do.

Rest of the episode focuses on Mikey's journey. The next episode will focus on Leo and Raphs journey alternating between them. And final episode would focus on Donnie's journey and the return to New York.

[neatoman]

Why it would be considered a waste?

[snake]

Nah. It was needed. If they kept those outfits it would've been cooler.

[Metalwolf]

Nah. It was needed. If they kept those outfits it would've been cooler.Yeah, that was the part that felt like a waste. They could have kept those outfits to show they were maturing. :ohwell:

[aliena]

It wasn't a waste, but it should have been two episodes. We did not need that many horror movie rip off episodes, but it would be nice if somewhere down the line they put on the outfits again. I thought since they are using them in the intro that we'd see them again. Could still happen though.

[Autbot_Benz]

The Episode was used for Playmates to make and sell another set of Turtle Figures

[IndigoErth]

Nah, but likewise still agree it would have been nice had it been longer. Each of them getting an episode focusing on them would have been awesome.

[Mew]

Nah. It was needed. If they kept those outfits it would've been cooler.
Agreed. They look really cool.

[kelligrafie]

It wasn't a waste, but it should have been two episodes. We did not need that many horror movie rip off episodes, but it would be nice if somewhere down the line they put on the outfits again. I thought since they are using them in the intro that we'd see them again. Could still happen though.

I'd rather have the horror rip offs than episodes like Pizza Face.

And I've liked some of the Northampton episodes better than the ones where they're back in New York.

[ImmaAxolotl]

I don't see the vision quest as a waste. It would have been better if it were longer such as taking out a few of the less needed episodes from the North Hampton arc and maybe have more build up that this is something they need to do.

For example a good way to have done it is have Splinter appear to each of the Turtles in a dream and he doesn't talk to them but they do feel his tormented Spirit.

The next morning they realize they all had the same dream. They tell April and Casey they need to go out into the woods for a few days and would be back. That night they all meditate around the camp fire or they are instructed to. Splinter appears to them and tells them what they must do.

Rest of the episode focuses on Mikey's journey. The next episode will focus on Leo and Raphs journey alternating between them. And final episode would focus on Donnie's journey and the return to New York.

I really wish they did that now!

[Shark_Blade]

They can use the outfits for special occasions.

[Metalwolf]

They can use the outfits for special occasions.I wish them kept them on frankly, a way of differentiating this show from the others (and the older 'old skool' outfits) and showing how far they've come. Plus the new weapons really needed to be tested out farther. I really want to see Raph learn to use his fire to it's best extent, keeping the sais as a backup just in case, or Leo getting to use those sweet new arrows more often. Why they only used them once I don't know, as they really felt to me like the Turtles were finally growing up.

[NinjaPug]

I don't think it was a waste of an episode but I do think it was a wasted opportunity. Honestly, the entire Northampton run was a wasted opportunity for some much needed self-reflection and character development.

[Powder]

It'd be a waste not to see those kick-ass outfits again, I'll say that much! :trazz:

[CyberCubed]

How is it a waste compared to any other random filler episode?

[oldmanwinters]

By itself, it was a fine and essential episode. It really culminated the "Northamption saga."

Since then, it appears the show doesn't have much desire to reference it again, which is surprising.

[Jester]

I wonder if we'd even be having this discussion if the costumes weren't featured in the theme song.

[UnwiseOne]

Why it would be considered a waste?

Sorry for the late reply.
I thought it was a waste because the only one I saw that really 'benefited' from the vision quest was Leo. From the gist of what Splinter said to the four of them this is what I interpreted.

Donnie needs to use his instincts more.
Raph needs to focus his aggressiveness or in my understanding tranquil fury.
Mikey needs to slow down to assess his situation.
And Leo needs to push through any problems or something.

But the minute they enter New York Donnie, Ralph and Mikey had an Aesop amnesia. I didn't see Donnie use his instincts, Mikey slow down and Raph focus his aggressiveness.
Heck the closest thing I saw to a Raphael in tranquil fury was when he was being mind controlled by Shredder.
Well that's all, I guess. If I missed something, please tell me.

[GoldMutant]

I believe Vision Quest was the best episode of the Northampton arc storywise. However, it did feel disappointing that it was a self-contained episode. I'm with victoryangel for this one, the episode should have been at least two parts. Whether it be two or three parts, Vision Qyest should tie loose ends with plots not addressed and haven't since coming here. If character driven, it could be the idea at the beginning of the thread with each Turtle getting an episode, giving it three episodes altogether. I personally think it can work as a two-parter though with the outline being this:

Part 1 (same as the episode we got):
-The Turtles decide to go into the woods to prepare for a return
-They start training in the woods following words with Casey and April
-Following brief training, Splinter arrives (commercial)
-This time, have Splinter get 2 or 3 minute of screentime, where he motivates the Turtles on what to do and informing them of the invasion. (Leatherhead could also be mentioned to Mikey's sadness)
-The weapons and costumes are forged and they go out on their own
-Instead of just the Foot Clan being fought, add in the Kraang because of their alliance together (commercial as Leo falls like last time)
-Brief fights with the united forces
-Before having their respective fights, a second fight is added to tie previous plots together and for emotion; the episode concludes with them about to die in their fights. The invasion is also cited to be getting worse by the minute too in the fights. Each brother gets the following:

Leo: Karai (reason: guilt for causing her mutation and not wanting to hurt her. Extremely personal battle for Leo too since he fights Shredder here.)

Raph: Slash (reason: abandoning New York instead of fighting, which ties into the little scene of Raph holding a picture of Spike during The Invasion)

Donnie: Mutagen Man (reason: not curing him. Also brings MM back since his long absence and also addresses the retromutagen storyline.)

Mikey: Leatherhead (reason: emotional battle)

Part 2:
-The fights are continuing with the Turtles winning barely
-They end up meeting together deciding it's time to return, but more of the goons arrive (commercial break)
-After a tussle, have a Kraang (possibly Kraang Prime or even Baxter?) fire a powerful blast which divides the team again
-The four fights in this episode begin (break possibly when Leo gets injured again in his fight)
-The Turtles finally win and return to New York (end)

Like I said, I could see an individual focus if this were to expand into three parts, but I still feel each Turtles needs to clash with their closest ally first and then the final part they battle the Foot Clan.

[BubblyShell22]

I like that idea, GM. That's cool.

I don't think it was a waste though. It's one of my favorite episodes ever, and I thought they did well with it, though I do agree that they could have had it be longer. Still, what we got was pretty good.

[GoldMutant]

I like that idea, GM. That's cool.

I don't think it was a waste though. It's one of my favorite episodes ever, and I thought they did well with it, though I do agree that they could have had it be longer. Still, what we got was pretty good.

Glad to see that since I've joined, I've had some kind of influence with my ideas. :)

Anyways, for what it was, it was still entertaining and a strong ending to an arc I found personally lackluster. I think the Northampton arc can benefit from being half the season and making this episode multi-parts would have benefit it. Though a little rushed, Vision Quest really didn't feel wasted, just something with a lot more potential to utilize.

[FlawedCoil82]

Crap, I confused this episode with the one where they were role playing in the sewer as a wizard, elf, ect. and said "Yes Totally". But seeing as how this was the first episode of season 3 that didnt make me sigh in disgust, I should have said "No". My bad. :(

[Nasubionna]

I don't think I'd go so far as to call it a "waste", but it would have been nice if it had been a multiple-part episode, especially considering how hyped up it was and that they got entire action figures devoted to those outfits.

[MrTMNT2012]

Thought they would've actually followed up on the only decent plot-point in the season but nope, gotta cash in on those Variation Turtle Figures...

[JTH]

How could it be a waste?

The purpose of the episode was for the turtles to focus on the flaws they had to help them conquer them, to prove to themselves they were ready to return to New York and save the city.

I believe the episode becomes far from a waste when the team A: Returns to New York. & B: Saves New York.

...Thanks guys, you're making me sound like Cubed. :lol:

[GoldMutant]

How could it be a waste?

The purpose of the episode was for the turtles to focus on the flaws they had to help them conquer them, to prove to themselves they were ready to return to New York and save the city.

I believe the episode becomes far from a waste when the team A: Returns to New York. & B: Saves New York.

...Thanks guys, you're making me sound like Cubed. :lol:

I believe it's considered a waste to some people here was because of two reasons:

1. The Turtles lose their development

I'm not going to refer to Leonardo as he finally got back into the swing of things here, but Donatello, Raphael, and Michelangelo lose it. Instead of development for them, they lose it immediately the next episode. I love character development and wish it'd be a little common in the show, but this episode was the breaking point.

Northampton should be a development for the Turtles both physically and emotionally. Both reflecting on the near death of a brother which is Leo here and growing stronger to take back New York from the Foot Clan and the Kraang. The multiple mutants shown could have been used to expand their growth like Leo doubting himself with Creep, Raph feeling worthless with the Dream Beavers, Donnie accepting things with Bigfoot and Mikey maturing with the Punk Frogs.

If the development here was used leading into the seemingly final battle against the Kraang, it'd be understandable. It wasn't touched upon outside Leo being stronger than his brothers now.

2. The sudden disappearance of the outfits
If used in the intro, it's easy to know they are returning. Heck, the LARP outfits are returning too. If they kept the outfits for a little bit, it'd show some serious development, but it wasn't built off of too well and they vanished.

I love the episode, but these two gripes are what can be seen for some in addition to it possibly being multi-parts. (either a 2 parter or 3 parts)

[billbot85]

Not a waste at all, totally an enjoyable episode to watch. Just don't care for their toy counterparts. :trazz: