New TRiple Crown Winner!!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, it took 37 years, but it FINALLY happened! American Pharaoh just won the Triple Crown by winning the Belmont Stakes, making him only the TWELVTH horse to ever do so. The previous winner was Affirmed in 1978. Yes, folks, history was MADE today!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Sooo.... More people care about a guy turning into a woman then about a historical sports achievement that hasn't happened in 37 years? Un-FREAKING-believable. :teek::trolleye::tgrumble::tcry:

Just as a related not- Victor Espinoza, American Pharaoh's jockey, ALMOST won the Crown last year on California Chrome, who was beaten out of the Belmont by Tonalist, who didn't even run in the Preakness Stakes. Chrome's owner made some much-publicized comments about the unfairness of allowing a horse that has skipped either of the previous races to run in the rest of the Crown races, as it ruins chances for those that have run all three. (Personally, I'm inclined to agree. If a horse can't make one, it shouldn't be allowed to run the others. It's one of the MAIN reasons there have only been TWELVE winners in 140 years!)

[BubblyShell22]

Hey, I'm totally stoked about this. I watched it, and it was amazing. True, I don't really take an interest in horse racing, but when the Derby, the Preakness, and the Belmont are on, I tend to tune in. And if I had bet on American Pharaoh all three times, I would have won. Yes, history was made yesterday, and it's sad that not a lot of people really care.

[Guitar_Raph]

I LOVED IT! Whenever the triple crown was blown, I'd say, Jimmy Carter's still on the throne! Now Obama takes his place!

When American Pharoah crossed that finish line...
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[MsMarvelDuckie]

Hey, I'm totally stoked about this. I watched it, and it was amazing. True, I don't really take an interest in horse racing, but when the Derby, the Preakness, and the Belmont are on, I tend to tune in. And if I had bet on American Pharaoh all three times, I would have won. Yes, history was made yesterday, and it's sad that not a lot of people really care.


I don't often get a chance to watch horse racing, but I make a point to watch the big three if I can. Saw all three this year, and I knew just from looking at Pharaoh before the Derby that he had a good chance of taking all three. Chrome was the same way last year. Some horses you can tell are born "winners" by how they look and move. They have something in their stature and attitude that says "I'm the best one here". It's really the only sport I actually love to watch.

[Prowler]

Sooo.... More people care about a guy turning into a woman then about a historical sports achievement that hasn't happened in 37 years? Un-FREAKING-believable. :teek::trolleye::tgrumble::tcry:


I don't care about either. I know jack about horse racing.

When I read the thread title, I thought this was gonna be about pro wrestling or maybe even boxing.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Why would you think that? The Triple Crown is the championship of horse racing. It refers specifically to the three "big" races in the sport- the Kentucky Derby, the Preakness Stakes, and the Belmont Stakes, which took place yesterday. And in MOST years, there is NO winner, because a horse has to win ALL THREE to claim the "Crown". Which is actually a trophy, but.... *shrugs*

I know some other sports have TRIED to compare their big games/matches to the Triple Crown, but that's actually impossible to make that comparison, because in NO other sport championship can you have competitors that win only one, two, OR all three of the component contests and still be considered "champions" of individual races, but ONLY be considered "Triple Crown" champ if they win all three! Many of the competitors don't even RUN all three, so they are automatically ineligible for the Crown as soon as they skip or get scratched from even ONE! (Like Tonalist last year. His owners "saved" him to be fresh for the Belmont by skipping the Preakness. As a result, not only was he ineligible for the Crown himself, but his win ruined it for all the ones who HAD run all three. Only in horse racing can a contender spoil the entire competition for all the rest just by NOT showing up one day.)

[turtlefanforever]

I was having lunch with my grandmother in subway and the race was on. Good stuff, people were ecstatic.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yup. My hubby and I were watching, and we started cheering and yelling when he won. First time in our memory (the last one happened when I was 1 yr old) that there's been one. I was jumping up and down whooping, pretty sure the neighbors were wondering what was going on in here, LOL! That was one of the prettiest wins I've ever seen- he started from a good spot, got out in front early, and set the pace for the entire race, before opening it up in the last quarter. I saw it the moment Victor let the horse go, and he didn't disappoint.

[turtlefanforever]

Yup. My hubby and I were watching, and we started cheering and yelling when he won. First time in our memory (the last one happened when I was 1 yr old) that there's been one. I was jumping up and down whooping, pretty sure the neighbors were wondering what was going on in here, LOL! That was one of the prettiest wins I've ever seen- he started from a good spot, got out in front early, and set the pace for the entire race, before opening it up in the last quarter. I saw it the moment Victor let the horse go, and he didn't disappoint.

It was pretty sweet, i remember going from "i hope he wins it" to "he's gonna do it" and then he won and everyone freaked out.

[Prowler]

Why would you think that?
I've seen people refer to certain pro wrestlers as "triple crown champions" several times before. They need to win 3 different championships in their careers to achieve such title.

And yes, I know it's "fake", but wtv. Most don't get such an honor.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, but like I said, other sports have tried to borrow the term, but it's only REALLY appropriate to horse racing.

[Plasticplayhouse]

a very cool achievement indeed!

[BubblyShell22]

Yep, I was yelling, too, Duckie. It was great and a very good moment. It's nice to see moments like this happen.

[turtle1237]

Great, My favorite race horse of all time is Man o War, who was not a triple crown winner, but he could of been, had the owner, not been a dick over a argument about one of the races not being real or what ever, and refuse to have that great horse complete in the race. Man O War very well could of been a triple crown winner, but in stand he is a 2 crown winner?? Or what ever its called. Man Man O War as a triple crown winner would of made him a bigger legend than he is.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

So true, so true. He's one of the FEW non-crown winners that has had multiple biographies written about him. (King of the Wind by Marguerite Henry being one) But his BIGGEST claim to fame (over and above winning two of the three Crown races) is as the sire of War Admiral, who DID win all three. In fact, more than HALF of the winners since War Admiral (not to mention a plethora of winners of other major races) are descended from his line, as he was one of the most prolific sires of his time- and the most successful.

[turtle1237]

So true, so true. He's one of the FEW non-crown winners that has had multiple biographies written about him. (King of the Wind by Marguerite Henry being one) But his BIGGEST claim to fame (over and above winning two of the three Crown races) is as the sire of War Admiral, who DID win all three. In fact, more than HALF of the winners since War Admiral (not to mention a plethora of winners of other major races) are descended from his line, as he was one of the most prolific sires of his time- and the most successful.

He won 2 out of 2, since he never was in the 3rd race lol. Again a argument over Man O War's owner over something petty that stop the legend from competing. Man O War's blood line is a strong one, Not only War Admiral, but the underdog Seabiscuit was of Man O War's line, Not sure which race horse today are from Man O War's line.


I always wonder, if Man O War was allow to complete, could he? have done what so many have failed and win all 3 races?? That always bugged my mind. Man O War was robed of a place in history.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Oh yes, he could have, easily. He won 20 out of 21 starts, after all! If you read his history, he was THE best horse of his time, hands down, particularly as a stud. Much like Secretariat(TCW) was in HIS day. Man o' War sired such winners as Hard Tack, War Hero, War Glory(whose daughter War Whisk was the mother of 1962 Triple Crown champ Decidedly!), War Relic(sire of Battlefield, Intent, Relaunch, Known Fact, and Missile, to name a few), Battleship, Blockade, Crusader, Maid at Arms, Nellie Flag, American Flag, and Lady Glory, among others.

And yes, Seabiscuit was also out of his line(grandson). And Kelso, Personal Ensign, War Emblem, and.... Basically, one can track his line through War Admiral(a TCW!) and others he sired- 379 in 22 seasons at stud- and many of those also sired (or dammed) dozens of winners themselves, and so on. Some of his sons and daughters (or grand and even great-grandchildren) were also exported to Britain, France, and Japan, among other places, further spreading his line.

Some famous later descendants- Alydar(TCW), Strike the Gold, Big Brown, Silver Charm, Mine That Bird, Alysheba(TCW), Affirmed(TCW), Winning Colors(filly and KD winner) Seattle Slew, Real Quiet, Barbaro, Zenyatta(filly), Charismatic, Cigar, Curlin, Smarty Jones, Black Caviar(Aussie filly), Skip Away.....

[turtle1237]

Oh yes, he could have, easily. He won 20 out of 21 starts, after all! If you read his history, he was THE best horse of his time, hands down, particularly as a stud. Much like Secretariat(TCW) was in HIS day. Man o' War sired such winners as Hard Tack, War Hero, War Glory(whose daughter War Whisk was the mother of 1962 Triple Crown champ Decidedly!), War Relic(sire of Battlefield, Intent, Relaunch, Known Fact, and Missile, to name a few), Battleship, Blockade, Crusader, Maid at Arms, Nellie Flag, American Flag, and Lady Glory, among others.

And yes, Seabiscuit was also out of his line(grandson). And Kelso, Personal Ensign, War Emblem, and.... Basically, one can track his line through War Admiral(a TCW!) and others he sired- 379 in 22 seasons at stud- and many of those also sired (or dammed) dozens of winners themselves, and so on. Some of his sons and daughters (or grand and even great-grandchildren) were also exported to Britain, France, and Japan, among other places, further spreading his line.

Some famous later descendants- Alydar(TCW), Strike the Gold, Alysheba(TCW), Affirmed(TCW), Winning Colors(filly and KD winner) Seattle Slew, Real Quiet, Barbaro, Skip Away.....

It was Secretariat's blood line though Terlingua, which 2 generations of that bloodline produce American Pharaoh, who would be the triple crown champ. So It was Secretariat's blood line that put a end to the drought. lol

[MsMarvelDuckie]

As an interesting aside, Secretariat's dam's sire was Princequillo, whose great-grand-sire was Prince Palatine, whose descendants (through mare Blue Glass, who was sired by Rock Sand, who was also the sire of the dam of- Man o' War!) include Seattle Slew, Affirmed, Cigar, Alydar, Alysheba, and Northern Dancer. Which makes them related. I love this sport.... :tcool:

Both horses came from the same bloodline, which means that pretty much EVERY TCW has been related in some way. And to go even further back, they all came from ONE founding sire of the Thoroughbred breed- the Godolphin Arabian, the most prolific and important of the three founding sires.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

He won 2 out of 2, since he never was in the 3rd race lol. Again a argument over Man O War's owner over something petty that stop the legend from competing. Man O War's blood line is a strong one, Not only War Admiral, but the underdog Seabiscuit was of Man O War's line, Not sure which race horse today are from Man O War's line.


Also, it was the Derby that he didn't run, just to clarify. The first "leg" of the Crown. He won the other two pretty easily.

[turtle1237]

Oh yes, he could have, easily. He won 20 out of 21 starts, after all! If you read his history, he was THE best horse of his time, hands down, particularly as a stud. Much like Secretariat(TCW) was in HIS day. Man o' War sired such winners as Hard Tack, War Hero, War Glory(whose daughter War Whisk was the mother of 1962 Triple Crown champ Decidedly!), War Relic(sire of Battlefield, Intent, Relaunch, Known Fact, and Missile, to name a few), Battleship, Blockade, Crusader, Maid at Arms, Nellie Flag, American Flag, and Lady Glory, among others.

And yes, Seabiscuit was also out of his line(grandson). And Kelso, Personal Ensign, War Emblem, and.... Basically, one can track his line through War Admiral(a TCW!) and others he sired- 379 in 22 seasons at stud- and many of those also sired (or dammed) dozens of winners themselves, and so on. Some of his sons and daughters (or grand and even great-grandchildren) were also exported to Britain, France, and Japan, among other places, further spreading his line.

Some famous later descendants- Alydar(TCW), Strike the Gold, Big Brown, Silver Charm, Mine That Bird, Alysheba(TCW), Affirmed(TCW), Winning Colors(filly and KD winner) Seattle Slew, Real Quiet, Barbaro, Zenyatta(filly), Charismatic, Cigar, Curlin, Smarty Jones, Black Caviar(Aussie filly), Skip Away.....

War Admiral was perhaps one of the greatness race horses there ever was, even losing a good part of his foot in his victory that made him the triple crown winner, than next year he losing's to Seabiscuit, and during the build up War Admiral was pretty much made the villain by the media, when really he was just a horse?? But I do think the defeat knock War Admiral in the media eyes as a truly great horse. I was watching American Pharaoh win the triple crown, and they mention Secretariat, and Seattle Slew, and a few other Triple crown winners, and outside War Admiral named running down at the bottom of the screen with the other THAN 11 winners, He never gets a mention. Did that lost really knock War Admiral out of the media's mind? I don't think it should mean much any way since War Admiral prove his greatness the year before, All the greats lose some time, but it really hurt War Admiral standing wise vs the other great race horses.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

It's not so much a case of being "villainized", as Seabiscuit was considered a clear underdog- and we all know how people LOVE underdogs. Actually, War Admiral is in the Hall of Fame as one of the leading sires as well as winners of all time. It's primarily because of him and one or two of MOW's other sons (and SEVERAL of his daughters) that that line did so well. What is so amazing is that the line has CONSISTANTLY given great runners, breeders, and many record-setters. Admiral rightfully deserved his reputation and honors, but so did Seabiscuit. The difference is that ONE was bred and raised by a large, wealthy stable with resources to enter him in all the BIG races; the other- WASN'T. But he was just as good, and his pedigree showed it, even if he didn't have the same opportunities.

[turtle1237]

It's not so much a case of being "villainized", as Seabiscuit was considered a clear underdog- and we all know how people LOVE underdogs. Actually, War Admiral is in the Hall of Fame as one of the leading sires as well as winners of all time. It's primarily because of him and one or two of MOW's other sons (and SEVERAL of his daughters) that that line did so well. What is so amazing is that the line has CONSISTANTLY given great runners, breeders, and many record-setters. Admiral rightfully deserved his reputation and honors, but so did Seabiscuit. The difference is that ONE was bred and raised by a large, wealthy stable with resources to enter him in all the BIG races; the other- WASN'T. But he was just as good, and his pedigree showed it, even if he didn't have the same opportunities.

I am not saying Seabiscuit was not great, but ever since that race, who got the fame, the media love, and of course, NOT 1 movie, but 2 movies base on his life, The Shirley Temple movie in the late 40's? And of course The Toby movie we got a few years ago. When is War Admiral going to get his movie, about the pains of losing a good part of his foot for the crown, his history of having trouble when the gates they used, Injured history of both horses vs Seabiscuit, Which brings other point, the 2nd movie makes it seem the owners of War Admiral were ducking a match with Seabiscuit, but the 6 matches that got cancel, IN REAL LIFE, Seabiscuit got injured 5 times, and War Admiral got hurt one time, so it was not one sided ducking the other side, they just could not keep there horses healthy for the match and thus had to post phone the match.

Once both horses were ready, they had a match for the ages, when the Admiral losing a very CLOSE match, who knows, perhaps a rematch could of had the Admiral on top? A shame it never happen. But War Admiral does get a lot of media hate.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ive never seen any media hate for him. Hes always mentioned with a lot of respect, especially for his breeding contributions. And being on of the earliest Crown winners is no small acheivement, either. If nothing else, he gets a lot of props from the media for that. The thing about that match is that we were just coming out of WWII, and people needed something to rally behind. Seabiscuit being the "underdog" gave the country something to get behind. If hed lost, WA still would have had his record, and then some, but losing to Seabiscuit proved that he wasnt unbeatable like everyone thought, and it gave people in lower classes something to point to as "one of ours".

[turtle1237]

Ive never seen any media hate for him. Hes always mentioned with a lot of respect, especially for his breeding contributions. And being on of the earliest Crown winners is no small acheivement, either. If nothing else, he gets a lot of props from the media for that. The thing about that match is that we were just coming out of WWII, and people needed something to rally behind. Seabiscuit being the "underdog" gave the country something to get behind. If hed lost, WA still would have had his record, and then some, but losing to Seabiscuit proved that he wasnt unbeatable like everyone thought, and it gave people in lower classes something to point to as "one of ours".

Well any one can lose at any giving time, unless your 49-0 Rocky Marciano or the undefeated Miami Dolphins from the 1970's.

WA did lose predated the match with Seabiscuit. It happens in all sports, any one can be beaten. Even the great Man O War who was as close to perfect race wise, was beaten once. Almost a perfect 22-0 record lol.

The funny thing about MOW, is near the end, no one wanted to race MOW, and there was even talks to weight MOW down just so to give the other horses a sporting chance. crazy talk.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

True, but it was their reputations as powerhouses on the track that made them SEEM unbeatable- which is why some didn't want to race against MOW. Horse racing has often been as much about track politics and media spin as it has about track records of individual horses or jockeys. Horses with great records get the most publicity, obviously, especially when they have good pedigrees and come from proven winning lines.

In the case of WA and SB, they were BOTH out of the same line, so it was win-win, since either side winning would prove that the line gave champions consistently. It was as much a match of breeding vs. track history as just a straight up race. Did the better horse win? Who knows. But both ended up more famous because of it, and both also ended up proving MOW's greatness as a stud, as well as their own in the future.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

And he's done it again! After today's win in the Breeder's Cup, American Pharaoh has now become the FIRST horse to win a "grand slam" by winning both the Triple Crown AND the Breeder's Cup, thus securing his place in history and most likely a shoe in for Horse of the Year. He will be remembered alongside Secretariat, Affirmed, War Admiral, and others- and as the first Breeder's Cup winner since its inception in 1984 to also be a Crown winner, that puts him in a special place as the ONLY grand slam winner thus far- Affirmed won the Crown BEFORE the Breeder's Cup began, so as the last previous Crown winner, he couldn't have won both. Two horses have had near misses, one being Sunday Silence in 1989, but both lost one leg of the Crown.

[turtle1237]

And he's done it again! After today's win in the Breeder's Cup, American Pharaoh has now become the FIRST horse to win a "grand slam" by winning both the Triple Crown AND the Breeder's Cup, thus securing his place in history and most likely a shoe in for Horse of the Year. He will be remembered alongside Secretariat, Affirmed, War Admiral, and others- and as the first Breeder's Cup winner since its inception in 1984 to also be a Crown winner, that puts him in a special place as the ONLY grand slam winner thus far- Affirmed won the Crown BEFORE the Breeder's Cup began, so as the last previous Crown winner, he couldn't have won both. Two horses have had near misses, one being Sunday Silence in 1989, but both lost one leg of the Crown.

Its seems American Pharaoh can do no wrong lol. I wonder as time goes on, will Pharaoh be called the greatness race horse of all time?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not sure if any horse can top Secretariat in that respect- he still holds several records- but he'll be right up there!

[turtle1237]

Not sure if any horse can top Secretariat in that respect- he still holds several records- but he'll be right up there!

Well yeah speed wise, Secretariat is perhaps number 1, But what American Pharaoh has done, Not only being a triple crown winner, but being a breeders cup winner, sometimes I think titles can trump records. I don't think any horse will repeat the time Secretariat set when he won the crown, and it was a once in a life time performance. But I think at the movement American Pharaoh can have a argument as number 1.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Well, to be fair, since the Breeder's Cup didn't yet exist in Secretariat's time (not begun until 1984), that can't be really compared. If it had been, he probably would have walked away with that one, too. So it's really speed in the existing races at the time one has to look at.

[BubblyShell22]

I totally forgot about the Breeder's Cup, or I would have watched it. Ah, well, congrats to American Pharoah.

[turtle1237]

Well, to be fair, since the Breeder's Cup didn't yet exist in Secretariat's time (not begun until 1984), that can't be really compared. If it had been, he probably would have walked away with that one, too. So it's really speed in the existing races at the time one has to look at.

But he did lose 2 races after winning the triple crown though. So perhaps Secretariat could stumble in the Breeder's cup. It could happen.

about 37 years with out a triple crown winner, and than we get a grand slam on top of that. I don't think we see something like that in a while.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Agreed. It makes me so glad I was able to watch all of them! I can say I've seen horse racing history as it happened, and it's probably the only time in my life that will happen. Woot!

[turtle1237]

Agreed. It makes me so glad I was able to watch all of them! I can say I've seen horse racing history as it happened, and it's probably the only time in my life that will happen. Woot!

You never know, triple crown winners seem to come 3's or 4's and than take a break, than to return again.

In the 1930's though the 40's, there seem to be a winner every 3 or 4 years.

Than a major drought in the 1950's though the 1960's. Secretariat ended the drought in the 70's, with Seattle Slew and Affirmed following. Than other drought follow, so perhaps in a few years time other horse or 2 can follow what American Pharoah like Slew and Affirmed did for Secretariat.

The history of the crown winners just seem years of winners, drought, follow by other series of champions.

[shuriken]

That is pretty neat. Not a huge fan of j=horse racing but that is quite impressive.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Bumping this for the Belmont today.

Could it be about to happen again? Justify is about to run the Belmont, after having won the first two legs of the Triple Crown. Here's hoping for another TC winner!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Unbelievable! Second time in three years, and Justify led from start to finish! He was first at the post (drew the first slot in the starting gate- prime starting position next to the inside ffence) and led all the way, keeping a good, but relatively easy pace for the pack. He opened it up (though it looked like he might have still been holding back a bit) in the final turn at the last 1/4 mile, and they never caught up to him. There was a moment or two where it looked like a couple of them might, but too late, as he had already put a length or more between them, and there was not enough time or distance to close the gap.

Triple Crown Winner!!

[turtle1237]

Unbelievable! Second time in three years, and Justify led from start to finish! He was first at the post (drew the first slot in the starting gate- prime starting position next to the inside ffence) and led all the way, keeping a good, but relatively easy pace for the pack. He opened it up (though it looked like he might have still been holding back a bit) in the final turn at the last 1/4 mile, and they never caught up to him. There was a moment or two where it looked like a couple of them might, but too late, as he had already put a length or more between them, and there was not enough time or distance to close the gap.

Triple Crown Winner!!

Seems my Post on long droughts and 2 or 3 Champions seems to ring true lol.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

This is another one for the history books, as he had the oldest TCW jockey ever, and joins Secratariat as only the second undefeated TCW. Wow.

[turtle1237]

This is another one for the history books, as he had the oldest TCW jockey ever, and joins Secratariat as only the second undefeated TCW. Wow.

Seattle Slew was undefeated, not Secratariat.

[MikeandRaph87]

Seattle Slew was undefeated, not Secratariat.

Secratariat is the best of all 13 horses who won the Triple Crown. His abnormally large heart gave him the literal horse power to win by two dozen lengths.

[turtle1237]

Secratariat is the best of all 13 horses who won the Triple Crown. His abnormally large heart gave him the literal horse power to win by two dozen lengths.

Maybe he wins, maybe not. It does not change the fact Seattle Slew was undefeated. And Secretariat lost before before winning the triple crown.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Seattle Slew was undefeated, not Secratariat.

Hmm, then somebody at NBC made a boo-boo. They named the wrong horse!

[turtle1237]

Hmm, then somebody at NBC made a boo-boo. They named the wrong horse!

It happens, I was not making a argument to shame you, or hurt the legend of Secretariat. Just giving credit to Seattle Slew who won the crown undefeated. Granted, Slew would later be defeated in a few races after that, but predating Triple Crown, every race Seattle Slew was in, he won. Secretariat lost 3 races before his Triple Crown run.

There both great horses, and I think it could go either way on most days. Secretariat wins on his one magic race though lol.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Lol, no, I just took the commentator at their word and didn't look it up. I remembered that he had an almost unblemished record, but, whether it was before or after, I didn't remember.

[turtle1237]

Lol, no, I just took the commentator at their word and didn't look it up. I remembered that he had an almost unblemished record, but, whether it was before or after, I didn't remember.

Secretariat in todays media is like a racing icon. Seattle Slew is not as known as Secretariat, so it should not be too shocking that the 2 horses got mix up lol.

Now we need to take a page from the War Admiral and Seabiscuit page and have the Old Champ "War Admiral" and the new champ, Seabiscuit have a 1 on 1 race and sell out a crowd lol.

Yes American Pharaoh vs Justify lol. Ok it wont happen. But that's what happen in the 1940's. War Admiral was last years news story and Seabiscuit was the new kid on the block, but both with amazing stories, and they had there 1 on 1 race that sold out. It was not really a official race, since it was only 2 horses. But there was public demand for it. Old triple champ vs new Champ.
Wonder if we see something like that ever again?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Now that's a race I would PAY to see! I'd even hitchhike to wherever they held it just to say I was there. And I'd bet on it, too. On Pharoah, just based on his achievements, vs the relatively "inexperienced" three-year-old.

[turtle1237]

Now that's a race I would PAY to see! I'd even hitchhike to wherever they held it just to say I was there. And I'd bet on it, too. On Pharoah, just based on his achievements, vs the relatively "inexperienced" three-year-old.

Pretty much what happen in the 1940's with War Admiral and Seabiscuit. War Admiral wins the triple crown, and a year later is the Seabiscuit story. Demand for the 2 to race 1 on 1 was high. The money was really too good to turn down lol. And both horses were near there primes(Granted War Admiral was sort of past his best)
Both horses are still young for a repeat of this 1940's story. Its not like Secretariat and Seattle Slew runs that happen 5 or 6 years apart lol. Again every one knows of the fame race between the 2, but it was no derby or title race so to speak. People wanted the 1 on 1 match, paid the money and got one of the best showings in race horse history.